Vocal Coach & Songwriter React to Biggering (deleted from The Lorax) | Song Reaction and Analysis

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  • Опубликовано: 18 янв 2025

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  • @throga
    @throga  3 месяца назад +12

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  • @Thatscrazy_anyway
    @Thatscrazy_anyway Год назад +674

    We all know why they changed it. Companies felt too called out and had to tone down that master piece of a song to a dumb kid who didn’t know any better because they also use that excuse
    My favorite line from the original is when the oncler says ‘who cares if something’s are dying’. Not just trees, but a whole ecosystem. How bad can I be is good for mainstream but the whole point of the Lorax is to teach a lesson to future generations, not sugar coating it

    • @КостяКиндалюк
      @КостяКиндалюк Год назад +47

      There's a metaphor for that... "They replaced mirror with photo of them after Photoshop because they didn't like the thing they saw in the mirror"

    • @SigmaMichael-k8y
      @SigmaMichael-k8y 20 дней назад +1

      or maybe cause it made no sense and didnt fit with the rest of the movie.

    • @TheGame-hl1ew
      @TheGame-hl1ew День назад

      @SigmaMichael-k8y well maybe because the entire movie was made by corporations to make themselves the innocents. In the original, the Once-ler was not a well-meaning character. I'm not saying that the animation couldn't have made some creative changes, but having him develop into a greedy monopolist while saying "how bad can I be" makes for a much less compelling and tragic story. If anything, it just makes him into an ignorant man rather than someone corrupted by the pursuit of wealth and power.

  • @huntercool2232
    @huntercool2232 Год назад +1204

    I like how in “How Bad Can I Be?” The Lorax is trying to save the trees, but in “Biggering” he’s trying to save the Onceler.

    • @worthybutter2004
      @worthybutter2004 Год назад +152

      I'd say he's trying to do both, which i honestly find a great addition to the story. I kinda wish the filmmakers kept that as it would've made the story more than just a cautionary tale about the destruction of the environment, it also would've been a commentary on greed, pride and the human condition.

    • @estrella-om7tu
      @estrella-om7tu Год назад +78

      @@worthybutter2004 This shows that the animators and writers wanted to make the movie faithful to the book, they had good ideas but Illumination got in the way and ruined it.

    • @worthybutter2004
      @worthybutter2004 Год назад +18

      @@estrella-om7tu Unfortunately, yes.

    • @conscripthornet4430
      @conscripthornet4430 Год назад +30

      @@estrella-om7tu iirc one of the writers or directors of the lorax mentioned it wasn't illumination who cut the song but someone higher up in comcast (the parent company of Universal Pictures which owns Illumination).

    • @estrella-om7tu
      @estrella-om7tu Год назад +28

      @@conscripthornet4430 It makes sense, both Illumination and Universal belong to Comcast, someone higher up wouldn't allow a realistic song in a movie, which is ironic.

  • @huntercool2232
    @huntercool2232 Год назад +594

    Probably one of my favorite differences about both songs is that in “How Bad Can I Be?” The Onceler says ”Who cares if some trees are dying?” Whereas in “Biggering” he says “Who cares if some THINGS are dying?” The difference being that the Onceler in the cut version is far more aware of his actions than he was in “How Bad Can I Be?” and is fully aware that it isn’t just trees that are dying from what he is doing.

    • @Jason_Altea
      @Jason_Altea Год назад +51

      It actually goes even further than that. It goes from "Who cares if a FEW TREES die?" to "Who cares if SOME THINGS are dying?"
      It goes from just brushing it off as just some trees, and not even very many, to outright acknowledging that animals are dying too, and it's not just a scarce handful either, but he still doesn't care.

    • @tsunertoo9149
      @tsunertoo9149 6 месяцев назад +6

      ​@@Jason_AlteaI think both songs actually carry water very well. I actually think you could have the two songs together actually because Biggering seems to be about Onceler's insecurities while How bad can I be is about Oncelers corrupting.
      I saw one video talking about an analysis of how bad can I be and it points out how you actively see how he poisonshimself slowly and surely because he goes from "how bad can Ipossibly be" which in context makes it look like he thinks what he's about to conduct is harmless and wouldn't hurt at all to "HOW BAD CAN I POSSIBLY BE" where he now actively destroys things becausehe knows there's no limits and he wants to SEE just how bad he can be.
      One song is about the elation of knowing you wield power no one else can have, and the other is the bitterness of knowing no amount of power will truly accomplish what you need it to do. Make you feel whole.

    • @ero-senninsama1734
      @ero-senninsama1734 Месяц назад +1

      ​​@@tsunertoo9149 there is a difference though. In "how bad can I be" the onceler gets slowly driven and pushed forward by the feeling of having recognition and money. The blame in the system and the onceler becomes almost like victim, with his woes being very subtle and hidden under a song so simple and catchy that people might just not pay attention.
      "Biggering" its like the sequel to "how bad can I be", almost.
      Although Biggering its slightly different, and it deals with the Onceler being confronted, even giving space for dialogue.
      The lorax confronts him and outeight says it. Onceler isnt getting swept under the excitement of it all, no. Onceler knowd damned well what he is doing and the concequences its going to have, but Onceler its too prideful to care.
      Money doesnt corrupt innocent people, people corrupt themselves by giving into their desires and use money to exploit others.
      In how bad can I be, onceler was blinded by money and fame, and in biggering was blind no longer. The lorax opened the onceler's eyes and said "dont jump into that pit, you cant walk out of it", and onceler did it anyways because in his mind he DESERVES money and fame.
      One is a boy who flew too close to the sun, and the other is a boy turned into a faceless monster very akin to the original depiction of the onceler.

  • @Jasfos89
    @Jasfos89 Год назад +491

    There is a storyboard on RUclips that provides great visuals to see how it would have been animated and provides great context. Great vid!

    • @Jasfos89
      @Jasfos89 Год назад +24

      I believe it’s called Biggering Storyboard

    • @ItsHavocSR
      @ItsHavocSR Год назад +37

      It's not the actual Storyboard, it was said somewhere else it was a Storyboard for a school project

    • @worthybutter2004
      @worthybutter2004 Год назад +7

      Which storyboard?

    • @ELREYDELHENTAI7u7
      @ELREYDELHENTAI7u7 Год назад +5

      Cuál el de natschema❤

    • @worthybutter2004
      @worthybutter2004 Год назад +2

      @@ELREYDELHENTAI7u7 ¡Sí, el guión gráfico de Natschema es el mejor!

  • @epsilon388
    @epsilon388 7 месяцев назад +147

    Saw this comment on another Biggering reaction video, and I couldn't agree more:
    "Greed is what makes you say 'I want that thing.' Pride is what makes you look at the consequences and say 'Yeah, so?'"

    • @mr.mcnuggies
      @mr.mcnuggies Месяц назад

      And that is why Pride is named as one of the Seven Deadly Sins

  • @huntercool2232
    @huntercool2232 Год назад +938

    Biggering wasn’t too scary for some kids, it was too scary for some adults.
    Everyone knows the real reason illumination cut the song is because it betrayed corporate greed way too accurately. Kind of ironic that a company would cut a song about corporate greed because of corporate greed.

    • @okimura690
      @okimura690 Год назад +118

      In a movie about corporate greed

    • @huntercool2232
      @huntercool2232 Год назад +74

      @@okimura690 Ironic isn’t it?

    • @frankg2790
      @frankg2790 Год назад +1

      @@huntercool2232 Yes, but I ain't surprised. Corporate America sees environmentalism the same way MTV saw Kurt Cobain: a product that makes them a lot of money because it's anti-corporate. They don't actually give a damn about the environment. They only care about the ability to merchandise and commercialize an environmentalist message.

    • @ivankostelac-lp2rp
      @ivankostelac-lp2rp 11 месяцев назад +19

      Oh the irony is so bad not even hemoglobin is that ironic.(like if you get the joke)

    • @pushkins26
      @pushkins26 10 месяцев назад +5

      Funnier the fact, Onceler makes a fair points defending his "greed". Except in movie he is kind of monopoly and Illumination is in fully competitive environment.

  • @dann304
    @dann304 Год назад +179

    love how ppl still apreciate biggering even after so many years, hope you can react to this is the place (tricky version) and you need a thneed from the lorax too, they were deleated as well

  • @sky-trevishere9638
    @sky-trevishere9638 Год назад +206

    One thing that people keep saying about the Lorax in the cut song is that he’s focusing on saving the onceler. But I find the way that the Lorax is trying to save him so interesting and captivating, because the Lorax is telling the Oneceler to understand his actions, and see them for what they truly are, he’s desperately trying to wake up the Onceler but that is completely thrown out of the window when the Onceler ends up saying “our company is an animal that’s trying to survive”, the Onceler is completely aware, using the same commentary the Lorax gave him. He knows what he’s doing, he knows that things are dying, he knows the PR people are lying to save his skin, he knows everything, which made the Lorax in the end realize the Onceler was completely gone and a lost cause. If you watch the storyboard you get to see the Lorax’s realization far better but honestly the song really does well showing the sheer and terrifying decline of the Onceler who went from business enthusiast wanting to chase a dream of something greater, to a faceless businessman who only cares about “biggering”.

    • @estrella-om7tu
      @estrella-om7tu Год назад +34

      Exactly, the Lorax develops better as a character in this song, as does the Onceler, since in this song the Lorax not only wants to save the trees, he also wants to save the Onceler, that is why I love this part of the Lorax that must be analyzed. deeper

  • @alyssabullock6421
    @alyssabullock6421 Год назад +154

    Illumination chickened out big time for not using this song. And the sad thing is, it's very likely because they didn't wanna call themselves out.
    This whole song is absolutely perfect for the movie's subject, and encapsulates the message and entire point of the original animated film from Dr Sues WAY better than "How Bad Can I be".
    It's intense, it's blunt, it's raw, it's harsh! It's literally pointing out the cruelty and egoism of greed, and how it stems from pride feeding into a person not wanting to admit they're doing wrong until it's too late.
    And the fact the LORAX in this version wants to SAVE the Onceler from his greed is so thought provoking and really lets his character shine. Because the Lorax WANTS to protect the world, he wants to respect life and help it. So it makes sense that he'd want to save the Onceler from crumbling under his own greed and selfishness.
    I can't believe we were robbed of a masterpiece like this, but go figure a film company wouldn't want to teach people how bad corporations tend to be.

  • @MysteriousPerson1991
    @MysteriousPerson1991 5 месяцев назад +27

    This song gives me straight goosebumps. Especially the part where The Lorax tries to save the Onceler, and the harmonies just hit.

  • @harmonylynx252
    @harmonylynx252 Год назад +83

    How bad can i be is so, waterd down compared to biggering. Biggering is completly dark and loud, while How bad can i be is so positive u forget that its telling a warning story, cause its trying ti be fun over meaningful. Man this somg could have been grand in the film! #needsaliveactionremake

    • @tacticallemon7518
      @tacticallemon7518 7 дней назад

      biggering was axed *because* it’s ‘dark’
      Biggering is “greed is a plague”, and greedy execs didn’t like that

  • @estrella-om7tu
    @estrella-om7tu Год назад +83

    they should react to the other demo songs on the soundtrack that give an idea of ​​how the plot was originally going to be

  • @Train115
    @Train115 8 месяцев назад +55

    The message in the original is way more real and would've hit way harder. "How Bad Can I Be?" portrays corporate greed as an innocent accident.

    • @StrikerEureka13
      @StrikerEureka13 5 месяцев назад +14

      Funny that corporate greed ruined a movie about corporate greed

    • @estrella-om7tu
      @estrella-om7tu 5 месяцев назад +5

      @@StrikerEureka13 how ironic

  • @mariacargille1396
    @mariacargille1396 10 месяцев назад +26

    Definitely check out some of the wonderful animatics artists have created for Biggering! Visuals absolutely help, and it's really fun to see how different creaters choose to illustrate the piece.

  • @Annonere
    @Annonere Год назад +46

    I, too, listen to soundtracks and make my own movies in my head. But that's because I'm an author, so it's usually my books that play in my head to the music. There's something amazing about soundtracks. They're emotional and without good music, a movie wouldn't hold the same weight. This song is amazing. I'm sad it was cut from the film. It would have had such an impact, but it also is super different than the rest of the songs, so I can see both sides of the arguement for keeping it and cutting it. I'm glad it was released, though, so we can enjoy it!

  • @ladygrey4113
    @ladygrey4113 8 месяцев назад +17

    There’s tons of artists who’ve done animatics to this song if you want an idea of visuals that could’ve worked with the song

  • @iceshard2364
    @iceshard2364 Год назад +31

    Just thinking of soundtracks all I think of is the how to train your dragon soundtrack. Just… magical

  • @germ8282
    @germ8282 Год назад +26

    great video and reaction 👏👏👏

    • @throga
      @throga  Год назад +5

      Glad you enjoyed it!!

  • @Alex_in_Wonderland111
    @Alex_in_Wonderland111 4 месяца назад +12

    I really wish we could’ve gotten this song instead because “How Bad Can I Be” didn’t even touch on how corporations could be responsible for the planet’s death. I feel like the whole movie was putting responsibility on a generation that wasn’t even old enough to vote at the time. Now that generation is older and surprise surprise we figured out it’s not our fault regardless. Like we can do everything we can but without the people at the top pitching in and admitting they’re part of the problem our efforts are ultimately useless
    We also missed out on what could’ve been a banger on par with Hellfire or Deliver Us too

  • @painstakeranimations9253
    @painstakeranimations9253 Год назад +14

    Thank you guys for this 🫡

  • @supernova3930
    @supernova3930 24 дня назад +2

    I actually think they could’ve had both “biggering” and “how bad can I be” in the movie with “how bad can I be” being the first song and “biggering” showing the onceler’s downfall

  • @PeachMelba0
    @PeachMelba0 8 месяцев назад +9

    Illumination wanting a more marketable song that doesn't call them out? No way

  • @КостяКиндалюк
    @КостяКиндалюк Год назад +42

    Replacing song that brings up the topic of greed and taking more than you need just because you can and nature of fittest with... song that only creates the vision of bringing up this topic for better income by SMACKING THE VERY IDEA AND IMPORTANCE OF THIS SONG WITH A HAMMER.

  • @gabriellecollier8127
    @gabriellecollier8127 2 месяца назад +4

    The Lorax had a hint of moxie and gumption. But the final result is a SpongeBob re-skin.

  • @Dirty-Q-Tip
    @Dirty-Q-Tip 6 месяцев назад +14

    I disagree the Lorax movie made by Illuminati to me is awful and BIGGERING is the biggest piece of proof to that fact. This movie is a butchered and watered down version of this incredible story, and I’m incredibly saddened that some children will be shown this movie over the original animated special. Which is objectively the better version of the story.
    I won’t judge you if you enjoyed the movie though. Glad you enjoyed what I didn’t.

  • @vraisairs9201
    @vraisairs9201 8 месяцев назад +33

    People would have remembered this movie more if it had this song in it

  • @Bennyyoungmusic
    @Bennyyoungmusic Год назад +20

    There's allot of Lessons i would want to learn

  • @Scottistic
    @Scottistic 9 месяцев назад +21

    I like Biggering over How bad can I be. Biggering shows he was aware of his actions but seen it as a necessary evil to succeed his business.
    How bad can i be makes him seem like an ignorant idiot who was blind to the evil

  • @susangibson8183
    @susangibson8183 Год назад +20

    Great movie...watch it Johnny

    • @Faren_
      @Faren_ Год назад +24

      It’s an awful movie. It completely misses the point of the book.

    • @worthybutter2004
      @worthybutter2004 Год назад +9

      @@Faren_ Yeah, exactly! Why aren't more people checking that out! One of my favourite Dr. Seuss stories ever and Hollywood just ruined it!
      But at least, we still have the 1972 TV special.

    • @beeanimation2183
      @beeanimation2183 Год назад +1

      @@Faren_right

  • @Flip-a-dip-dip
    @Flip-a-dip-dip 5 месяцев назад +19

    No need to scold Johnny, The movie turned out to be mid. Had the song been included however, it might not have been.

    • @StrikerEureka13
      @StrikerEureka13 5 месяцев назад +10

      A lot of changes were made to the movie during development. I honestly think the original movie would have been amazing, and corporate greed ruined that, which is ironic for a Lorax movie

    • @estrella-om7tu
      @estrella-om7tu 5 месяцев назад

      @@StrikerEureka13 like what changes

    • @StrikerEureka13
      @StrikerEureka13 5 месяцев назад +5

      @@estrella-om7tu One thing they changed was making it so Ted only got a tree because his crush wanted it instead of actually wanting it himself, like he was going to originally

    • @estrella-om7tu
      @estrella-om7tu 5 месяцев назад +5

      @@StrikerEureka13 Another thing I remember is that Thneedville was going to be a dystopia where the citizens couldn't see the sun because of the pollution, they are consumerists and materialists, as you said, Ted was originally going to be a consumerist child and an egoist who wants to have the things he doesn't. possesses, originally he only wanted the tree to have something that the city does not have, that personality and original motivation made sense

    • @StrikerEureka13
      @StrikerEureka13 5 месяцев назад +3

      @@estrella-om7tu Yeah, there was also a song about that

  • @rjplays5525
    @rjplays5525 Год назад +23

    O maior erro da Illumination foi ter divulgado essa música. Só de ouvi-la podemos ter a noção do quanto desproporcional ela é comparada há animação, diferente dá "será que eu sou ruim", que é uma música onde um jovem cararente de atenção da família e imaturo tenta enganar a própria mente de que o que ele faz não é errado pois é algo que não há como evitar, a bigeering por outro lado é a verdadeira essência do onceller, um cara sem empatia, ganancioso e sociopata, que está pronto para fazer qualquer coisa para poder crescer e satisfazer sua ganância, mesmo que ele precise matar animais, manipular a empresa, pagar os melhores advogados para defende-lo e contarem as maiores mentiras possíveis. Mas é claro que se a versão original do filme, junto com a música, fosse lançada, sem sombra de dúvidas que o filme seria a melhor crítica social sobre as empresas que fazem de tudo para ficarem por cima, só que se eles fizessem isso estariam dando um tiro no próprio pé, pois uma das empresas que fazem isso é a mesma que criou esse filme. Eles adulteraram a história dando uma infantilizada, mas cá entre nós, mudar um filme só para ganhar dinheiro "não é tão ruim assim" não é mesmo?

  • @alexandraroland9828
    @alexandraroland9828 7 дней назад

    You can feel the power in the song, i can mumble how bad can i be, but biggering? OH U GOTTA GO ALL OUT, also, the song in itself bigger's with more vocals and more power, i love that 😂❤😢

  • @Vibesbr507
    @Vibesbr507 3 месяца назад +3

    React to the version demo of Thneedville pls ❤

  • @LilAl-w9x
    @LilAl-w9x 11 месяцев назад +9

    Jhonny, you are not missing out on much

  • @bored631
    @bored631 Год назад +11

    Plz reacf to thenvile from the lorax it has alot of "omg is this a chruch choir"

    • @estrella-om7tu
      @estrella-om7tu 11 месяцев назад +5

      you mean the demo version of thneedville

    • @bored631
      @bored631 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@estrella-om7tu yea

  • @SuperWeebBros
    @SuperWeebBros Год назад +23

    Btw, not a demo singer, that's actually Ed Helms singing

    • @dann304
      @dann304 Год назад +30

      it is a demo singer from the 88, Ed helms sounds different

    • @WEYYYY874
      @WEYYYY874 9 месяцев назад +5

      @@dann304it’s a guy called Gabriel Mann.

  • @margotfica1317
    @margotfica1317 6 месяцев назад +2

    existe un storybord muy bueno de esta cancion!!

  • @lauradesfosses2418
    @lauradesfosses2418 6 месяцев назад +4

    Johnny Cummings sounds like he wouldn't watch Steins Gate because he "doesn't have children", like he would let children watch Devilman Crybaby not understanding that animation is not just for children and traumatize them 🙄

    • @solo-otro-NPC-mas
      @solo-otro-NPC-mas 3 месяца назад +1

      Pretty ironic since hid surname is cummings

  • @Bennyyoungmusic
    @Bennyyoungmusic Год назад +11

    How can do a live class with you?

    • @throga
      @throga  Год назад +2

      You can go to www.throga.com and find more info about Voice lessons and/or songwriting lessons!

    • @Bennyyoungmusic
      @Bennyyoungmusic Год назад

      I checked,seems I would have to take lessons when there's money

    • @kennmaskin
      @kennmaskin Год назад +1

      @@Bennyyoungmusicyou think everything’s free? Lol

  • @ElRon16-tk7hr
    @ElRon16-tk7hr 7 месяцев назад +1

    The artist of "How Bad Can I Be?" is the same of "Biggering"

  • @ktoon4725
    @ktoon4725 Месяц назад

    Genuinely think it’s a shame they cut this song. It more accurately portrays the greed of corporations and how someone can be corrupted by greed and more importantly pride which is the true root of all evil.

  • @trilexfix
    @trilexfix Год назад +16

    the original film is better also it's lame this song never was in the movie

  • @adolfogacha1043
    @adolfogacha1043 2 месяца назад +2

    Mi reacción cada que los de video reacciónes pausan el contenido en el mejor momento 😐

  • @tanyaneilsen5680
    @tanyaneilsen5680 4 месяца назад +1

    3:54

  • @jdjdjfjfdhdnjdjfd3801
    @jdjdjfjfdhdnjdjfd3801 4 месяца назад +8

    This is what they stole from us…

  • @hello-sz7hp
    @hello-sz7hp 5 месяцев назад +2

    Onceler was short sighted

  • @beeanimation2183
    @beeanimation2183 Год назад +3

    0:35 no, I’m gonna scroll you for liking the film

  • @Gigi_Waechter
    @Gigi_Waechter Год назад +5

    Hi.. would appreciate if you could also react to SB19 MAPA lyric vid. And live Performance of this in WISHBUS USA! It's an amazing song 😊 ❤thank you so much in adv😊Hi frm Switzerland ❤

  • @HGxxx000
    @HGxxx000 Год назад +7

    Please react Forestella!! They are Korea Crossover vocal group and King of Harmony!!
    I recommend UTOPIA for their original song => ruclips.net/video/aT2mbsDQwlI/видео.html
    And I recommend Bohemian Rhapsody for their cover song => ruclips.net/video/xUVysL9PbzM/видео.html

    • @throga
      @throga  Год назад +2

      Forestella is on our list!

  • @lovekookie5974
    @lovekookie5974 Год назад +4

    Please react to Jungkook- Seven ❤

  • @requiem165
    @requiem165 4 месяца назад +2

    0:29 you can still watch a movie and not have kids tf?

  • @Hamantha
    @Hamantha Год назад +12

    The film is not fantastic honestly😅

  • @Muzikman127
    @Muzikman127 8 месяцев назад +3

    Annoyed you didn't really comment on any details of the vocal performance at all, especially considering the title of the video. Just sort of rambled about how music & visuals together are good… Okay?

  • @requiem165
    @requiem165 4 месяца назад

    I hate this reaction, why pause and interrupt the music so much. Do one listen, give your thoughts and let that be that

    • @throga
      @throga  4 месяца назад +6

      this was a year ago when we first started - we've learned a lot since then :)