I actually dont think they are that great. One is good to Ingress for free, but can also become clunky. The issues are that 1. They dont have deepstrike, which I think they should honestly. And second there are 5 secondary Missions now that require to be in the opponents deployment Zone.. So for me at least simply running 2 winged primes leads to much better resulta for 10 more Points each. You can deepstrike Them in Turn 2 If needed, or even Turn 1 in invaders. They are the most important unit now for me. They replace the 95-115 Points I spend on scoring before with Bio and rippers für now 130 Points.
@@leSmokySmoke just infiltrate them into the side of the board and match them forward or backwards depending on the game state, they can't be shot. And all 5 of those don't actually need you to be in deployment zone to get half points
really want to play Crusher Stampede, but still don't know if it is enough. so think i will still be running Invasion fleet. Hive Tyrant with Adaptive Biology (Warlord) Stranglethorne, will sit back with ranged. 2 x Neurotyrants in 2 units of 6 Zoanthropes. Exocrine Maleceptor one of each Norn 2 x Pyrovores Tyranofex with Rupture Cannon also got a list for Crusher Stampede the changes is No Enhancement and skip the two Pyrovores and take a Psychophage instead.
27:14 use rending claws and scythen talons there better, you get 5 strength 6 attacks, and you can pop lethal on them giving you 5x lethal and not 2x-3x lethal
Hi, I've just started to paint warhammer models again, after a very long time out, to hopefully help me with my mental situation. According to my doctor I have PTSD from my time in the armed forces. So, I am going to paint to relax, she seems to think this will help me. I may later actually play the game of 40k, but at the moment I am just going to paint. I like the Tyranids and watched your video on making two Winged/Hive Tyrant/Stormlord type models from the one box with the addition of another torso/hip thingy piece (unfortunately I cannot get yours as outside of the US) which I have ordered through eBay now. I just have one question (for anybody that may be able to help). What load out would you give each type of model, taking into account the latest June '24 Dataslate update? I have no idea at all here as to what would be my best option. I would possibly use the Vanguard detachment as that seems fun to me if I was going to play, but, I would try any detachment. So, what would be my best options for load-outs on these models? Thank you anybody that can help me. p.s. Love the videos that you put out. These are what have made me choose Tyranids really. Your enthusiasm for these models is unparalleled. Thank you.
not sold on the dakkafexes in invasion fleet. I feel like those points should be going towards exocrines or distraction haruspexes instead. dakkafexes just arnt very good even as distractions. I feel like carnifexes need to go down to 110-115 points at most to even be worth considering taking over exocrines or haruspexes.
I don't have maleceptors to take the mid table. Can I use Norns instead ? In a way they do the same job and had a nice up with the lethal/mortal would change.
I run 1 and 1 in Synaptic Nexus and it works out fine. The Maleceptor feels a bit better because of the aura but the Norn has way better objective secure.
Any thoughts on The Swarmlord? The new rules seem to boost his usage as a CP Warlord King... A bubble increase CP each time seems super strong. Is the cost the problem?
Just FYI for the venomthropes from the Codex FAQ Q: Does an Attached unit containing a Hive Tyrant and Tyrant Guard receive the Stealth ability from a Venomthrope’s Foul Spores ability? A: No. The unit has the Monster keyword and the ability excludes Monsters
I just built my Synaptic Nexus list 2k EXACTLY 1 x Neurotyrant w/ Power of the Hive Mind 1 x Winged Prime w/ Dirgeheart 10 x Gargoyle 1 x Exocrine 1 x Malceptor 11 x Neurogants 1 x Neurolictor 1 x Norn Emissary 1 x Psychophage 2 x Screamer Killer 3 x 3 model Ranged Warrior 1 x Venomthrope 1 x 6 model Zoanthrope
I've been trying to find a good swarm invasion fleet list, as unending now isn't as efficient as the invasion fleet detachment for swarm after this recent nerf.
Trygons in Vanguard invader has been pulling weight for me. Coming up 3" on rapid ingress is so good. Can take objectives and hide easily. Then it can pop back in if you need, or can advance and charge. Also Hunting grounds has won me games. Opponent deepstriking to do an action but they fail their battleshock is funny. Bonus points if they are also an army with a strat to leave the board and come back.
Wow! Carnifexes, with Old One Eye, getting Slethal, with rerolls, next to a hive tyrant, in the invasion fleet. . . Is hilarious. my poor infantry. My friend plays Tyranids, so I can tell him about this combo, haha. Also, do you think Zoanthropes getting "big guns never tire" with a nuerotyrant will get changed? Or is it by design, you think?
Tyranids are in good shape right now. The new changes are great overall even we lost double strat use, But who cares lol. The assimilation and vanguard detatchments are very good imo.
@@maelstromgamingstudios5240 I gotcha man and yes makes sense. The list you provided add a lot more flair to play style. Wondering man do you ever do videos where you look at list that someone submits to you and comment on them? Could use some advice on what you think.
I want to run a meme-ish list in Vanguard Onslaught with as many Lone Ops as possible (x3 Lictor, x3 Neurolictor, x1 Deathleaper, x3 Parasite of Mortrex), an then x3 Mawloc and x2 Trygon. The rest still undecided, will probably end up with x2 units of 10 gargoyles.
Do you think the tyranocyte has play now? Oc 2 and fly. Super mobile scoring unit that can drop a agressive threat up close. Great dropper for a screamer killer.
Why not have the neurotyrant have the parasitic enhancement with 6 tyrant guard with crusher claws? They'll hit on 3s, and become strength 10 with synapse and the enhancement with twin link.
I wish they would remake the tyrant guard. Make it a single minor monster. Movement of 6* its movement matches who it is attached to. T8, 3+, W8 Oc0. Has a 6+ invuln and 5+FnP. Its ability is sacrificial organism. At the start any of your command phases if this model is still alive the leader can destroy this model and take its 5+FnP for the remainder of the game. If that is too OP then maybe a 6+FnP. If it is killed before sacrificed the leader doesn’t get the FnP. Oh and maybe 50 points. Same/similar attacks.
Another great great video. Thank you very much. Keep up like that, your videos are amazing. Hopefully someone here can help me with 2 rule questions. 1. Can a Carnifex be equipped with the crushing claws twice and if yes, will it has 8 attacks instead of 4 then? 2. When I have a Neurotyrant and unleash the shadow in the warp, will an enemy unit that is in range of Synapse have a -2 on his test? Or aren't the debuffs for the shadow in the warp commulative?
Just curious, I just started Warhammer 40k and decided on Tyranids, but isn't this supposed to be a 2k army list? I am adding it up and am getting 2,095 points for this army list. Am I missing something?
I always use them it allows you to actually use your hive tyrant as a beat stick, and support for front line without losing him to stray melta or lazcannons.
These are cool lists, and i m having a lot of fun thinking about building my own. Can´t wait for the next Tyranid games and see how they feel for myself. Question: If you put a Neuroloid on a Screamer, and he stands 3 inch infront of a unit to yall at them, do they get -2 to their battleshock test now? Because the Tyrants ability says "they are concidered to be within Synapse" that is different from emitting it. Or would the Screamer Killer itself now be concidered a Synapse unit, and all friendlies around 6 are therefore within Synapse too?
@@Dewoy1 If the screamer killer has a neuroloid and is within 6 inches of an enemy unit and you call shadow in the warp, that unit is at -1. Subsequent tests from shots from the screamer's ranged attack ability during that turn wouldn't be -2, as it's -1 per the ability and the -1 from being in synapse (neuroloid) only applies to shadow in the warp tests.
@@specialmeats Cool, yeah i know about the scream couldn´t be -2 unless Deathleaper is near by, but i m not sure if the Neuroloid Synapse would actually apply here. Since a Screamer wouldn´t have a 6 inch Synapse aura around him to buff friendly units, why would it suddenly be an aura for the shadow. Since the Neuroloid ability doesn´t say, "this units is concidered to be a Synapse units" instread is says "concidered to be within Synapse". Idk i might be off here, but it is very importent to know that, since it will deffinitely come up.
Ironically I have the most success with crusher stampede since the update. I played 25 games so far with these rules. So far my most notable findings are: - hive tyrant still is never worth its 235pts. As expected without points drops some cp, lethal hits for models that already have good shooting anyway, or assault which has so much less value now are not enough justifying the include on such a easy to kill model when you can include one and a half other monsters instead that are both tougher and have better damage output. -neurotyrant is still a model you can take, and is very usefull now giving synaps to two units of your choice. But including zoans for 305 point anti tank unit with often jus a single activation and only turn 2 often because of low range and slow speed honestly still doesnt feel good. Zoans need a points drop to be considered good. -generally winged primes are by far the best mission pieces, 130 pts for 2, replacing bios and rippers able to deepstrike in and easily score the 5 missions that want you to be in the opoonents deployment zone, and have enough movement to stay useful.. -tyrannofex is simply still overcosted, often does nothing and makes you sad. - detachments Synaptic nexus basically offers no benefit, beeing the worst in my opinion. Swarm, at least with my style I had no more sucess now, even with S4 hormagaunts, only 1 revive instead of ~3 deeply hurts.tervigon are still not paying for themself. - Assimilation is actually funny, healing your 2 norn emissarys back up to be unkillable -vanguard is very cool, wiged primes scoring turn 1 for a huge lead, reveners are cute, trygon not really worth, but you can do it. -invasion fleet simply is unbeatable providing the best damage buffs -now crusherstampede I won 7/8 games. And I run PURE monster, and its not even a meme. The best list is overwhelm them with all good to okayish datasheets we have for the cost now. -3 maleceptors -3 haruspex -3 exocrine -3 screamer killer -1 trygon for mission and scoring VERY easily in Enemy DZ -1 winged prime (because you need a character) and he gives synaps to trygon to have S10 -1pyro to hold you home objective. The strategy is to simply go. Put maleceptors with haruspexes and screamer killers everywhere, most opponents simply cant deal with it. And while damage output is still shit, enough of it does work. Alternitavely you can cut a exocrine and haruspex for a norn emissary to really just live on a point, or even use two and skip the trygons. But so far, more models is just better. Crusher stampede ist good because moving through walls is actually SO INSANELY useful when you have a bunch of chunky Boys and allows you to Charge things you otherwise could Not. And surviving with Low wounds actually Happens quite often now. +1 to hit is easily achieved with forced explosions and +1 to wound can Happen. roar can be devastaring. And, to me at least it finally feels fun to play my bugs again
I love it, quantity indeed has a quality of its own. But your list above is 2020 points. Why do you survive with low wounds often now, what has changed? And I don't understand why +1 to hit is easily achieved with 'forced explosions'? You can't hurt friendly models with Deadly Demise.
@@vaettra1589 ah yes sorry, the list was 3 screamer Killer and only 1 trygon. What changed is that there are way fewer Units in the game now that can outright oneshot T11 Models, as Well as the strategy. When you have 13 big monsters they will have to get in as much damage as possible per round to not get overrun, so your Models surviving is really likely. And yes ofcourse, the strategem to autoexplode does ofcourse hurt your own Guys. So when they kill your First screamer Killer next to a haruspex and maleceptor, you make it autoexplode and your Haruspex and maleceptor Hit on 2s.
@@leSmokySmoke Oh, nids are back to friendly fire by exploding? I didn't realize it was changed from 9th ed. Fair enough. I'll give your list a go, love the big boys!
@@leSmokySmoke Forgot to reply, yeah I missed that friendly fire is back again for nids, a case of 'editionitis' for me, sorry. Have you had any tournament games?
Honestly yes. I like taking the Emissary to friendly games because I painted a cool model I want to use it but they're 275 points, which is a unit of melee warriors+ prime and a Lictor, or it a maleceptor with 2 less wounds and no fnp but it's a 105 points cheaper etc.
You know what 10 gargoyles do? Have 20 OC, move block, do actions, are battleline for all battleline related shenanigans. And you can have 30 of them for 255 leaving you 20 extra points for a nifty enhancement.
Who said you can have both? And gargs are super vunerable to any firepower and overwatch things that Norn can soak… anyways you do you but everygame I play Norn is always my top performer I play on WTC terrain where its not easy to draw line of sight maybe thats why but its amazing for me
@@danydaigle5032 I'll be honest, I just play at my local game store, never anything super competitive. My experience is exactly as you said, it's easy to draw line of site and in my experience, and being T11 instead of 12 is what holds it back for me because everyone at my LGS brings several T12 or higher weapons and often times will take it out with like 2-3 units. I love the model just wish it had more beef on its toughness
from a competitive point of view, I really don't understand people who like these changes... this is literally the WORST that could happen to the faction. we went from a very solid, albeit tricky to pilot anti-meta (stat checking) unending swarm list that was *really good* in the right hands to... A bunch of bigger monsters (which play in the weapon profiles people currently bring to beat other lists) that have pillow punches... y'all going to get tabled so fast now... yet some are happy about?
Would love to see some smaller points lists! Starting an escalation league soon
Hey, great video !
Could, you please make a video lists for 500/750/1000 points, since that is what I and my friends prefer to play on?
Thank you
Lictors are so important for the action I always have two now
I actually dont think they are that great.
One is good to Ingress for free, but can also become clunky.
The issues are that 1. They dont have deepstrike, which I think they should honestly. And second there are 5 secondary Missions now that require to be in the opponents deployment Zone..
So for me at least simply running 2 winged primes leads to much better resulta for 10 more Points each.
You can deepstrike Them in Turn 2 If needed, or even Turn 1 in invaders.
They are the most important unit now for me.
They replace the 95-115 Points I spend on scoring before with Bio and rippers für now 130 Points.
@@leSmokySmoke just infiltrate them into the side of the board and match them forward or backwards depending on the game state, they can't be shot. And all 5 of those don't actually need you to be in deployment zone to get half points
@@leSmokySmoke they score me like 15-30 point in secondary a game
@@leSmokySmoke I total forgot they had that rapid ingress for free
I can agree. Most likes need some sort of Lone Op for doing secondary things. Not mandatory, but very good.
So I kinda like Emissarys in invasion fleet, replacing carnifex’s and one of the maleceptor.
Any reason not to include one?
really want to play Crusher Stampede, but still don't know if it is enough.
so think i will still be running Invasion fleet.
Hive Tyrant with Adaptive Biology (Warlord) Stranglethorne, will sit back with ranged.
2 x Neurotyrants in 2 units of 6 Zoanthropes.
Exocrine
Maleceptor
one of each Norn
2 x Pyrovores
Tyranofex with Rupture Cannon
also got a list for Crusher Stampede the changes is No Enhancement and skip the two Pyrovores and take a Psychophage instead.
Assimilation Swarm with a Norn is a must have imo
I seriously would love to see a bunch of 1500pts lists
might as well just replace malaceptors as its impossible to get them
27:14 use rending claws and scythen talons there better, you get 5 strength 6 attacks, and you can pop lethal on them giving you 5x lethal and not 2x-3x lethal
I play 1000 points as i build my armies. Is it possible you can make a video on that?
Hi, I've just started to paint warhammer models again, after a very long time out, to hopefully help me with my mental situation. According to my doctor I have PTSD from my time in the armed forces. So, I am going to paint to relax, she seems to think this will help me. I may later actually play the game of 40k, but at the moment I am just going to paint.
I like the Tyranids and watched your video on making two Winged/Hive Tyrant/Stormlord type models from the one box with the addition of another torso/hip thingy piece (unfortunately I cannot get yours as outside of the US) which I have ordered through eBay now.
I just have one question (for anybody that may be able to help). What load out would you give each type of model, taking into account the latest June '24 Dataslate update?
I have no idea at all here as to what would be my best option. I would possibly use the Vanguard detachment as that seems fun to me if I was going to play, but, I would try any detachment. So, what would be my best options for load-outs on these models?
Thank you anybody that can help me.
p.s. Love the videos that you put out. These are what have made me choose Tyranids really. Your enthusiasm for these models is unparalleled. Thank you.
not sold on the dakkafexes in invasion fleet. I feel like those points should be going towards exocrines or distraction haruspexes instead. dakkafexes just arnt very good even as distractions. I feel like carnifexes need to go down to 110-115 points at most to even be worth considering taking over exocrines or haruspexes.
I don't have maleceptors to take the mid table. Can I use Norns instead ? In a way they do the same job and had a nice up with the lethal/mortal would change.
I run 1 and 1 in Synaptic Nexus and it works out fine. The Maleceptor feels a bit better because of the aura but the Norn has way better objective secure.
Any thoughts on The Swarmlord? The new rules seem to boost his usage as a CP Warlord King... A bubble increase CP each time seems super strong. Is the cost the problem?
Oh I love Swarmlord now! I think he can work in many lists. The foot Tyrant just wins out in many situations.
Can't wait for the 1000pts list. Great video as always
Maybe im mistaken here, but when i type in the units for Crusher stampede i get 1830 points or something. I think the list is missing a unit
With OOE I think the missing unit is Carnifex. Carni is needed for the RR to hit to function.
Just FYI for the venomthropes from the Codex FAQ
Q: Does an Attached unit containing a Hive Tyrant and Tyrant Guard
receive the Stealth ability from a Venomthrope’s Foul Spores ability?
A: No. The unit has the Monster keyword and the ability
excludes Monsters
I just built my Synaptic Nexus list
2k EXACTLY
1 x Neurotyrant w/ Power of the Hive Mind
1 x Winged Prime w/ Dirgeheart
10 x Gargoyle
1 x Exocrine
1 x Malceptor
11 x Neurogants
1 x Neurolictor
1 x Norn Emissary
1 x Psychophage
2 x Screamer Killer
3 x 3 model Ranged Warrior
1 x Venomthrope
1 x 6 model Zoanthrope
Here is my current list. Have 145 pts I'm not sure what to do with since biovores are worthless now. Any suggestions?
1855/2000 pts
Assimilation Swarm
CHARACTERS
Neurotyrant (115 points)
• Enhancement: Biophagic Flow (Aura)
Neurotyrant (105 points)
OTHER DATASHEETS
Haruspex (125 points)
Haruspex (125 points)
Haruspex (125 points)
Maleceptor (170 points)
Maleceptor (170 points)
Maleceptor (170 points)
Psychophage (95 points)
Psychophage (95 points)
Psychophage (95 points)
Ripper Swarms 2x (40 points)
Ripper Swarms (25 points)
Zoanthropes 6x (200 points)
Zoanthropes 6x (200 points)
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(reply ) It's the Assimilation swam list
what is the gun that the Tyrannofex runs for the Assimilation Swarm list?
Rupture Cannon!
When I add up everything it makes 2075 points instead of 2k, what should I get rid of to make it 2k?
Which list are you talking about. I'm guessing I accidentally put in one too many squads of raveners.
@@maelstromgamingstudios5240 the assimilation list
I've been trying to find a good swarm invasion fleet list, as unending now isn't as efficient as the invasion fleet detachment for swarm after this recent nerf.
I want to find something that would work too. I'll be revisiting the swarm at some point.
I'm poised to play my list
Assimilation swarm
Neurotyrant
X6 Zoanthropes
3 x1 Pyrovore
X2 Neurolictor
X3 Haruspex
X2 screamer killer
X2 Norn emissary
X1 Tyrannofex
Just so you know the chapters for the video is off by one section.
Thanks, Let me fix that.
Trygons in Vanguard invader has been pulling weight for me. Coming up 3" on rapid ingress is so good. Can take objectives and hide easily. Then it can pop back in if you need, or can advance and charge.
Also Hunting grounds has won me games. Opponent deepstriking to do an action but they fail their battleshock is funny. Bonus points if they are also an army with a strat to leave the board and come back.
Norm emissary is my pet unit, sad to not see it on any list!
makes me sad too but its way too expensive at 275.
Wow! Carnifexes, with Old One Eye, getting Slethal, with rerolls, next to a hive tyrant, in the invasion fleet. . . Is hilarious. my poor infantry. My friend plays Tyranids, so I can tell him about this combo, haha. Also, do you think Zoanthropes getting "big guns never tire" with a nuerotyrant will get changed? Or is it by design, you think?
An invasion fleet list without any exocrines is wild
I mean, the easy answer is putting 2-3 exocrines in every list. But that gets stale.
Tyranids are in good shape right now. The new changes are great overall even we lost double strat use, But who cares lol. The assimilation and vanguard detatchments are very good imo.
I love my crusher list. It's fun to play, but im pretty much forfeiting the game turn 1.
Do you think norns are viable with the increased melee strength and mortal wound defense?
Why not exocrines in invasion fleet ?
You totally can! I just didn't want to say, x2 exocrines in every list (which is very good).
What is the point of a tervigon when now the walkrant also gives lethal hits, but also gives assault and free strat?
I feel like exocrines could be used in every list. They r so good
They really are, but that would be boring. I did include them in at least two lists but they can work in all.
@@maelstromgamingstudios5240 I gotcha man and yes makes sense. The list you provided add a lot more flair to play style. Wondering man do you ever do videos where you look at list that someone submits to you and comment on them? Could use some advice on what you think.
How are you gonna make an Assimilation Swarm list with out the Parasite? its not great but its so fun.
No exocrines?srsly?
im showing a 2075 cost for the assimilation swarm list? am i crazy?
Assimilation V3 (2000 points)
Tyranids
Strike Force (2000 points)
Assimilation Swarm
CHARACTERS
Hive Tyrant (250 points)
• 1x Monstrous bonesword and lash whip
1x Monstrous scything talons
• Enhancement: Instinctive Defence
Neurotyrant (115 points)
• 1x Neurotyrant claws and lashes
1x Psychic scream
• Enhancement: Biophagic Flow (Aura)
The Swarmlord (240 points)
• Warlord
• 1x Bone sabres
1x Synaptic pulse
Winged Tyranid Prime (90 points)
• 1x Prime talons
• Enhancement: Parasitic Biomorphology
BATTLELINE
Hormagaunts (65 points)
• 10x Hormagaunt
• 10x Hormagaunt talons
OTHER DATASHEETS
Biovores (50 points)
• 1x Chitin-barbed limbs
1x Spore Mine launcher
Psychophage (95 points)
• 1x Psychoclastic torrent
1x Talons and betentacled maw
Psychophage (95 points)
• 1x Psychoclastic torrent
1x Talons and betentacled maw
Pyrovores (105 points)
• 3x Pyrovore
• 3x Chitin-barbed limbs
3x Flamespurt
Pyrovores (35 points)
• 1x Chitin-barbed limbs
1x Flamespurt
Pyrovores (35 points)
• 1x Chitin-barbed limbs
1x Flamespurt
Raveners (75 points)
• 3x Ravener
• 3x Ravener claws and talons
3x Thoracic bio-weapon
Tyranid Warriors with Melee Bio-weapons (150 points)
• 1x Tyranid Prime
• 1x Tyranid Warrior claws and talons
• 5x Tyranid Warrior
• 5x Tyranid Warrior claws and talons
Tyrannofex (190 points)
• 1x Powerful limbs
1x Rupture cannon
1x Stinger salvoes
Tyrant Guard (170 points)
• 6x Tyrant Guard
• 3x Crushing claws and rending claws
3x Scything talons and rending claws
Tyrant Guard (170 points)
• 6x Tyrant Guard
• 3x Crushing claws and rending claws
3x Scything talons and rending claws
Venomthropes (70 points)
• 3x Venomthrope
• 3x Toxic lashes
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@@maelstromgamingstudios5240 ah ok I'm not crazy lol thanks I was sweating I was missing something
Not that many exocrenes? Neuro did wonders for zoanthropes
I want to run a meme-ish list in Vanguard Onslaught with as many Lone Ops as possible (x3 Lictor, x3 Neurolictor, x1 Deathleaper, x3 Parasite of Mortrex), an then x3 Mawloc and x2 Trygon. The rest still undecided, will probably end up with x2 units of 10 gargoyles.
More Snakes. Fill Up with raveners 😁
Do you think the tyranocyte has play now? Oc 2 and fly. Super mobile scoring unit that can drop a agressive threat up close. Great dropper for a screamer killer.
Could be fun in Crusher!! I'll for sure try it out next time I bring crusher to the table
Why not have the neurotyrant have the parasitic enhancement with 6 tyrant guard with crusher claws? They'll hit on 3s, and become strength 10 with synapse and the enhancement with twin link.
It's definitely a powerful combo. With my list I just want the Tyrant guard running around with both other Tyrants.
What is your Discount Code?
For Into the AM? MGS10
ey buddy, great vid. I add to the voice that a 1.000 point list would be fun to see. I know I woul dwatch the crap out of that :D
Coming Soon!
I wish they would remake the tyrant guard. Make it a single minor monster. Movement of 6* its movement matches who it is attached to. T8, 3+, W8 Oc0. Has a 6+ invuln and 5+FnP. Its ability is sacrificial organism. At the start any of your command phases if this model is still alive the leader can destroy this model and take its 5+FnP for the remainder of the game. If that is too OP then maybe a 6+FnP. If it is killed before sacrificed the leader doesn’t get the FnP. Oh and maybe 50 points. Same/similar attacks.
thx for that video ! hope that you cooking the same with 1000pts 🙏
Wouldn’t two carnifexs with deathspitters be only 24 shots not 48?
Yes! Devourers give you the 48
Another great great video. Thank you very much. Keep up like that, your videos are amazing.
Hopefully someone here can help me with 2 rule questions.
1. Can a Carnifex be equipped with the crushing claws twice and if yes, will it has 8 attacks instead of 4 then?
2. When I have a Neurotyrant and unleash the shadow in the warp, will an enemy unit that is in range of Synapse have a -2 on his test? Or aren't the debuffs for the shadow in the warp commulative?
Thank you! To answer your questions. 1. Only 4 attacks with crushing claws ever. 2. Yes it is a rare case where things stack.
@@maelstromgamingstudios5240
Thank you ^^ then the Neurotyrant got an insane buff
Genestealers seem so flimsy for their points.
Just curious, I just started Warhammer 40k and decided on Tyranids, but isn't this supposed to be a 2k army list? I am adding it up and am getting 2,095 points for this army list. Am I missing something?
Which army list are you referring to?
The Vanguard Onslaught list@@Zain0001
Does the optimisation in synaptic nexus: power of the hive mind work on the all unit ? It s not just the leader ?
No, it clearly says "equipped by the bearer"
Wait so spore mines count as a harvester unit MG?
No? If you are talking about using reclaim biomass on them, it's any unit. They just need to be near a Haverster unit
@@maelstromgamingstudios5240 oh all good, thanks 🙏
Welp time to get the green stuff and armature wire. Gotta build some raveners
Still a newbie here :) what do you mean with doing actions?
If you watch my latest video about Pariah Nexus it explains it. It's essentially something units need to do to score points.
all lists seem really strong AND fun, great job 👍
Thank you for my new opinion
Are tyrant guards worth it now to make the swarmlord and the walkrant more difficult to remove off the board?
I think they are worth in it Assimilation swarm where you can bring them back. Every other detachment I'm not sold on them.
I always use them it allows you to actually use your hive tyrant as a beat stick, and support for front line without losing him to stray melta or lazcannons.
These are cool lists, and i m having a lot of fun thinking about building my own. Can´t wait for the next Tyranid games and see how they feel for myself.
Question: If you put a Neuroloid on a Screamer, and he stands 3 inch infront of a unit to yall at them, do they get -2 to their battleshock test now? Because the Tyrants ability says "they are concidered to be within Synapse" that is different from emitting it. Or would the Screamer Killer itself now be concidered a Synapse unit, and all friendlies around 6 are therefore within Synapse too?
The minus 1 to battleshock from synapse only applies during the Shadow In The Warp ability's battleshock checks, not every battleshock check.
@@specialmeats Ok, and in case of that scenarion. Would a Screamer killer with a Neuroloid add an aditional -1 WHILE calling Shadow in the warp???
@@Dewoy1 If the screamer killer has a neuroloid and is within 6 inches of an enemy unit and you call shadow in the warp, that unit is at -1. Subsequent tests from shots from the screamer's ranged attack ability during that turn wouldn't be -2, as it's -1 per the ability and the -1 from being in synapse (neuroloid) only applies to shadow in the warp tests.
@@specialmeats Cool, yeah i know about the scream couldn´t be -2 unless Deathleaper is near by, but i m not sure if the Neuroloid Synapse would actually apply here. Since a Screamer wouldn´t have a 6 inch Synapse aura around him to buff friendly units, why would it suddenly be an aura for the shadow.
Since the Neuroloid ability doesn´t say, "this units is concidered to be a Synapse units" instread is says "concidered to be within Synapse". Idk i might be off here, but it is very importent to know that, since it will deffinitely come up.
Doom (1995 Points)
Tyranids
Assimilation Swarm
Strike Force (2000 Points)
CHARACTERS
Hive Tyrant (250 Points)
• 1x Monstrous bonesword and lash whip
1x Monstrous scything talons
• Enhancements: Instinctive Defence
Parasite of Mortrex (80 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Barbed ovipositor
1x Clawed limbs
OTHER DATASHEETS
Exocrine (135 Points)
• 1x Bio-plasmic cannon
1x Powerful limbs
Exocrine (135 Points)
• 1x Bio-plasmic cannon
1x Powerful limbs
Haruspex (125 Points)
• 1x Grasping tongue
1x Ravenous maw
1x Shovelling claws
Haruspex (125 Points)
• 1x Grasping tongue
1x Ravenous maw
1x Shovelling claws
Haruspex (125 Points)
• 1x Grasping tongue
1x Ravenous maw
1x Shovelling claws
Hive Guard (200 Points)
• 6x Hive Guard
• 6x Chitinous claws and teeth
6x Shockcannon
Lictor (55 Points)
• 1x Lictor claws and talons
Lictor (55 Points)
• 1x Lictor claws and talons
Neurolictor (90 Points)
• 1x Piercing claws and talons
Pyrovores (70 Points)
• 2x Pyrovore
• 2x Chitin-barbed limbs
2x Flamespurt
Tyrannofex (190 Points)
• 1x Powerful limbs
1x Rupture cannon
1x Stinger salvoes
Tyrannofex (190 Points)
• 1x Powerful limbs
1x Rupture cannon
1x Stinger salvoes
Tyrant Guard (170 Points)
• 6x Tyrant Guard
• 6x Scything talons and rending
This is my assimilation swarm!
Maybe take out a lictor for 10 gaunts
Sit on your home obj
Now do a 1k list!
Liking the assimilation thoughts be interesting to see how it goes assuming you’ll be testing it out on the channel soon?
You'll see it on the next battle report! and I'll have a tournament report on it too
@@maelstromgamingstudios5240 excellent 👍🏼 you may find you’ll want more battle line to help with secret missions 🙂
Ironically I have the most success with crusher stampede since the update.
I played 25 games so far with these rules.
So far my most notable findings are:
- hive tyrant still is never worth its 235pts. As expected without points drops some cp, lethal hits for models that already have good shooting anyway, or assault which has so much less value now are not enough justifying the include on such a easy to kill model when you can include one and a half other monsters instead that are both tougher and have better damage output.
-neurotyrant is still a model you can take, and is very usefull now giving synaps to two units of your choice.
But including zoans for 305 point anti tank unit with often jus a single activation and only turn 2 often because of low range and slow speed honestly still doesnt feel good. Zoans need a points drop to be considered good.
-generally winged primes are by far the best mission pieces, 130 pts for 2, replacing bios and rippers able to deepstrike in and easily score the 5 missions that want you to be in the opoonents deployment zone, and have enough movement to stay useful..
-tyrannofex is simply still overcosted, often does nothing and makes you sad.
- detachments
Synaptic nexus basically offers no benefit, beeing the worst in my opinion.
Swarm, at least with my style I had no more sucess now, even with S4 hormagaunts, only 1 revive instead of ~3 deeply hurts.tervigon are still not paying for themself.
- Assimilation is actually funny, healing your 2 norn emissarys back up to be unkillable
-vanguard is very cool, wiged primes scoring turn 1 for a huge lead, reveners are cute, trygon not really worth, but you can do it.
-invasion fleet simply is unbeatable providing the best damage buffs
-now crusherstampede
I won 7/8 games.
And I run PURE monster, and its not even a meme.
The best list is overwhelm them with all good to okayish datasheets we have for the cost now.
-3 maleceptors
-3 haruspex
-3 exocrine
-3 screamer killer
-1 trygon for mission and scoring VERY easily in Enemy DZ
-1 winged prime (because you need a character) and he gives synaps to trygon to have S10
-1pyro to hold you home objective.
The strategy is to simply go. Put maleceptors with haruspexes and screamer killers everywhere, most opponents simply cant deal with it.
And while damage output is still shit, enough of it does work.
Alternitavely you can cut a exocrine and haruspex for a norn emissary to really just live on a point, or even use two and skip the trygons.
But so far, more models is just better.
Crusher stampede ist good because moving through walls is actually SO INSANELY useful when you have a bunch of chunky Boys and allows you to Charge things you otherwise could Not.
And surviving with Low wounds actually Happens quite often now. +1 to hit is easily achieved with forced explosions and +1 to wound can Happen.
roar can be devastaring.
And, to me at least it finally feels fun to play my bugs again
I love it, quantity indeed has a quality of its own. But your list above is 2020 points.
Why do you survive with low wounds often now, what has changed? And I don't understand why +1 to hit is easily achieved with 'forced explosions'? You can't hurt friendly models with Deadly Demise.
@@vaettra1589 ah yes sorry, the list was 3 screamer Killer and only 1 trygon.
What changed is that there are way fewer Units in the game now that can outright oneshot T11 Models, as Well as the strategy. When you have 13 big monsters they will have to get in as much damage as possible per round to not get overrun, so your Models surviving is really likely.
And yes ofcourse, the strategem to autoexplode does ofcourse hurt your own Guys.
So when they kill your First screamer Killer next to a haruspex and maleceptor, you make it autoexplode and your Haruspex and maleceptor Hit on 2s.
@@leSmokySmoke Oh, nids are back to friendly fire by exploding? I didn't realize it was changed from 9th ed. Fair enough. I'll give your list a go, love the big boys!
@@leSmokySmoke Forgot to reply, yeah I missed that friendly fire is back again for nids, a case of 'editionitis' for me, sorry. Have you had any tournament games?
Is the norn emissary and assimilator that bad?
Honestly yes. I like taking the Emissary to friendly games because I painted a cool model I want to use it but they're 275 points, which is a unit of melee warriors+ prime and a Lictor, or it a maleceptor with 2 less wounds and no fnp but it's a 105 points cheaper etc.
Man I don’t understand did you play nexus? Its all about primary now and you know what Norn do… win you the primary OC15 is massive…
You know what 10 gargoyles do? Have 20 OC, move block, do actions, are battleline for all battleline related shenanigans. And you can have 30 of them for 255 leaving you 20 extra points for a nifty enhancement.
Who said you can have both? And gargs are super vunerable to any firepower and overwatch things that Norn can soak… anyways you do you but everygame I play Norn is always my top performer I play on WTC terrain where its not easy to draw line of sight maybe thats why but its amazing for me
@@danydaigle5032 I'll be honest, I just play at my local game store, never anything super competitive. My experience is exactly as you said, it's easy to draw line of site and in my experience, and being T11 instead of 12 is what holds it back for me because everyone at my LGS brings several T12 or higher weapons and often times will take it out with like 2-3 units. I love the model just wish it had more beef on its toughness
from a competitive point of view, I really don't understand people who like these changes... this is literally the WORST that could happen to the faction.
we went from a very solid, albeit tricky to pilot anti-meta (stat checking) unending swarm list that was *really good* in the right hands to...
A bunch of bigger monsters (which play in the weapon profiles people currently bring to beat other lists) that have pillow punches...
y'all going to get tabled so fast now... yet some are happy about?
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