I watch a fair bit of Car vids, and just found yours (indirectly) from BaT. What stands out for me, is that you’re very articulate …. kind of simple observation; but, sorely Missed in So MANY other channels. A bit ‘weird’ comparing a Porsche to a Honda, but hey … being only my first view of your vids, there might be a reason … Anyway, Great to hear an Articulate ‘young’ person “doing cars”.
Nice short sharp hit of a review. That engine sounds incredible. I bet it is incredible to use too. It looks a quality thing inside and out and is no doubt dynamically honed to perfection. But... "barely feels like a rear engined car." Is that really what you want from a 911? The limitations of the rear engine make for the 911's unique challenge and depth of character that nothing else has. Dimish that in the name if speed (that you can no longer safely exploit on the road because its limits are so high) and effectiveness, and you being to lose what makes the 911 special in the first place.
As the owner of a 991.2 GT3 6MT, I agree with almost all of your comments. The only issue with the shifter is a slight fore-aft movement in-gear during throttle tip-in and off-throttle transitions in 4th gear. This was apparently fixed in the 992 GT3 6 MT. Apart from that, the car is very solid and incomparable to anything else on the market. The 991.1 GT3 does not come with the 6MT and early engines have high-rpm misfires related to early finger-follower wear and will rapidly depreciate when the 10-year warranty expires.
I think its a problem in some transmissions. My touring had some flex in 4th only, then developed into 6th too albeit getting much worse over time as the transmission was getting rough sometimes in and out of gear and hard to engage or disengage a gear in some circumstances. The transmission was replaced under warranty.
you're right about porsches and road noise. i find it very annoying in my cayman. probably worse than "very annoying". it's pretty clear why. a glance at the wheel wells and their liners shows a remarkable lack of sound deadening material. none in fact.
A normal 911 or boxster like yours is FINE with road noise. The GT products have VERY LITTLE noise deadening in the cars. They are a bit noisy. Any other product Porsche makes is more quiet than most sports cars. Perhaps you need a Mercedes
GT3 is much more compliant and its power is way easier to manage. Better car for a backroad. ZL1 1LE feels like it's designed purely for the racetrack due to its DSSV dampers and unusable power when the tires aren't fully warmed up.
It really does seem the s2000 has the best shifter on the planet, particularly when going for it. Very cool feeling to feel the shifter get smoother when the car is fully warmed up on a track day.
Not perfect but still very good. The better 991 versions are; 911 R, 911 Speedster, GT3-RS, or even the 997.2 GT-3 RS 4.0. The 992 GT3 is even better because it has double wishbone suspension up front and the engine is Motorsport derived from their Cup car and have individual throttle body like the 991.2 Speedster which this 991.2 GT3 does not have.
@@Zygrene 911R and the 7.2 GT3 RS 4.0 is basically unreachable at this point so don't bother. Too few were made and the RS4.0 is now worth something like 600k+ a regular 997.2 GT3 or the 3.8RS will give you 90% of the feel, on public road you won't be able to feel the difference between the 3.8RS and the RS4.0. Time to sell your NSX?
I’ve had 3 GT3s. 2 manual I PDK. With a manual you have a weakness in a GT3. No torque down low. If you make a mistake shifting a M3 will eat your lunch. The PDK solves that issue because it will never allow a wrong shift or gear. I enjoy passing my manual buddies on the track. I’ve driven manuals my whole life. Why buy a track focused car THEN buy slower version? It’s stupidity. Hype that’s all it is . Manuals are so 1940s. Ferrari and Lamborghini don’t out manuals in their cars. Race cars don’t have manuals. You want to be more engaged? Get a girlfriend. CYA on the track while I lap you again and again
@@iLLGT2 it was Willow Springs. A lot at Button Willow in Bakersfield. Occasionally at Fontana. Loved the NASCAR turns 1&2. But since then we’ve moved to Idaho. The only track here is in Salt Lake.
S4000 is awesome.
scud is even more s4k so you need one
Just to inform you, suspension is 100% same as in GT3 touring. If you ”feel the difference” its only in your imagination.
I watch a fair bit of Car vids, and just found yours (indirectly) from BaT. What stands out for me, is that you’re very articulate …. kind of simple observation; but, sorely Missed in So MANY other channels.
A bit ‘weird’ comparing a Porsche to a Honda, but hey … being only my first view of your vids, there might be a reason …
Anyway, Great to hear an Articulate ‘young’ person “doing cars”.
Was looking forward to this one
Great review. Thanks! Your face looked so serious, which was hardly seen in your other videos 😅
Nice short sharp hit of a review. That engine sounds incredible. I bet it is incredible to use too. It looks a quality thing inside and out and is no doubt dynamically honed to perfection. But... "barely feels like a rear engined car." Is that really what you want from a 911? The limitations of the rear engine make for the 911's unique challenge and depth of character that nothing else has. Dimish that in the name if speed (that you can no longer safely exploit on the road because its limits are so high) and effectiveness, and you being to lose what makes the 911 special in the first place.
As the owner of a 991.2 GT3 6MT, I agree with almost all of your comments. The only issue with the shifter is a slight fore-aft movement in-gear during throttle tip-in and off-throttle transitions in 4th gear. This was apparently fixed in the 992 GT3 6 MT. Apart from that, the car is very solid and incomparable to anything else on the market. The 991.1 GT3 does not come with the 6MT and early engines have high-rpm misfires related to early finger-follower wear and will rapidly depreciate when the 10-year warranty expires.
I think its a problem in some transmissions. My touring had some flex in 4th only, then developed into 6th too albeit getting much worse over time as the transmission was getting rough sometimes in and out of gear and hard to engage or disengage a gear in some circumstances. The transmission was replaced under warranty.
NOTHING.. EVERYWHERE NOTHING BEATS A MANUAL DRIVE
Great video. Can't wait until you find a GT350R to review.
Been hoping to review a GT350/350R for 5 years
great work! looking forward to the evora/spyder vids!
This puts a smile on my face 😊
Z bro i luv how u describe the car compared to the s2k, it really helps me get an idea.
Seems like a fun car to drive.......
Bay area fan here. What roads are you driving on?
you're right about porsches and road noise. i find it very annoying in my cayman. probably worse than "very annoying". it's pretty clear why. a glance at the wheel wells and their liners shows a remarkable lack of sound deadening material. none in fact.
Yeah, I think an extra 20-30 lbs of wheel well insulation in the non-GT Porsches would go a long way to improve NVH.
A normal 911 or boxster like yours is FINE with road noise. The GT products have VERY LITTLE noise deadening in the cars. They are a bit noisy. Any other product Porsche makes is more quiet than most sports cars. Perhaps you need a Mercedes
Question … have 991.2 GT3 Touring … would you know how to dial in the steering feel more direct ie 992 double wishbone feel?
Sounds so good. Any track content coming up?
10/30 thunderhill west, first track shakedown of the 997. Then big boi time at Buttonwillow 11/26.
Nice review! Seems like a long gear throw. Looks direct though
It is not a long throw - having many MT performance cars in my life I feel it’s the best I’ve had
I'm not sure how worth these are given post-pandemic prices. Pre-pandemic prices? Absolutely worth it.
Pretty much everything is inflated right now, so relative to other cars I'd say the 991.2 is still worth the money
Yes I saw 991.2 GT3 as low as $130K pre-pandemic. Not sure we will ever see that again.
How is this compared to the zl1 1le?
GT3 is much more compliant and its power is way easier to manage. Better car for a backroad. ZL1 1LE feels like it's designed purely for the racetrack due to its DSSV dampers and unusable power when the tires aren't fully warmed up.
neat
No, it is the 997.2
No
I'll be reviewing the 997.2 soon and will definitely touch on how it compares with the 991.2
lol video has 199 like and 2 disliks. tht's 991.2 magic
Thats so funny how the s2000 shifter is still better than a car like this
It really does seem the s2000 has the best shifter on the planet, particularly when going for it. Very cool feeling to feel the shifter get smoother when the car is fully warmed up on a track day.
I’ve driven 7 S2000s. Their shifters are not better than the worst Porsche shifter. Stop complaining because you can’t afford a 911
Not perfect but still very good. The better 991 versions are; 911 R, 911 Speedster, GT3-RS, or even the 997.2 GT-3 RS 4.0.
The 992 GT3 is even better because it has double wishbone suspension up front and the engine is Motorsport derived from their Cup car and have individual throttle body like the 991.2 Speedster which this 991.2 GT3 does not have.
Touché. I need to get behind the wheel of each of those.
@@Zygrene 911R and the 7.2 GT3 RS 4.0 is basically unreachable at this point so don't bother. Too few were made and the RS4.0 is now worth something like 600k+ a regular 997.2 GT3 or the 3.8RS will give you 90% of the feel, on public road you won't be able to feel the difference between the 3.8RS and the RS4.0.
Time to sell your NSX?
All those are great cars but IMO the 991.2 GT3 looks the best of all mentioned. Ugly black plastic front end ruins the 992. WHY PORSCHE??
apple to orange … lazy post
Absolutely correct!
Is he really comparing that gearbox to a S2000 😂😂. Typical Asian with the rice burners I guess
I’ve had 3 GT3s. 2 manual I PDK. With a manual you have a weakness in a GT3. No torque down low. If you make a mistake shifting a M3 will eat your lunch. The PDK solves that issue because it will never allow a wrong shift or gear. I enjoy passing my manual buddies on the track. I’ve driven manuals my whole life. Why buy a track focused car THEN buy slower version?
It’s stupidity. Hype that’s all it is . Manuals are so 1940s. Ferrari and Lamborghini don’t out manuals in their cars. Race cars don’t have manuals. You want to be more engaged? Get a girlfriend. CYA on the track while I lap you again and again
Where are you located? What is your local track? You're not lapping anything, let me know
@@iLLGT2 it was Willow Springs. A lot at Button Willow in Bakersfield. Occasionally at Fontana. Loved the NASCAR turns 1&2. But since then we’ve moved to Idaho. The only track here is in Salt Lake.