Porsche 911 MANUAL Supercars - 997 GT3 vs 997 GT2 vs 991 GT3 Touring
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- I teamed up with Zent Rose to find out which is the best manual-equipped Porsche 911 GT:
1) 2007 997.1 GT3 - $125k
2) 2008 997 GT2 - $175k
3) 2018 991.2 GT3 Touring - $225k
See how I rank these Porsches in my Zygrene Performance Index: docs.google.co...
Zent's channel: / @zentrose
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Music: More Than Life by Mike Kirin
Great video, only recently discovered your channel. Love the insights into these cars. This video in particular was great. Because we all hear or read about whole awesome the Porsche GT cars are, but to have some real honest insightful back to back comparisons on these three was really enlightening.
Something to remember is there isn't really a bad GT Porsche, they're just different levels of awesome. But of these three, if you could take only one home? Based on what you describe it would have to be the 997 GT3.
You're right. I'd take the 997 GT3 because it's the best driver's car, and have a separate daily driver.
EDIT: Great Video! That 991 will squeak with age. Hard to compare the handling on both 997's you have without knowing if they were modified or their condition. For clarity both the GT2 and GT3 have 3.6L engines. The 997.2 GT3 and RS went to 3.8L but the 997 GT2 was only 3.6L, and no changes were made to the model until the very limited very wild GT2 RS.
The 997.1 and 997.2 GT3 was made with a mixture of two chassis. The front was from a Carrera 4, and the rear from a Carrera, whereas the RS model was all Carrera 4.
The 997.2 GT3 had massive changes. The engine went from 3.6 to 3.8L as important is variable valve timing for the exhaust. Great torque. The chassis is a huge step up. New aero for increased downforce. A revised suspension makes the most of this additional force pressing the tires into the pavement. Front spring rates are stiffer by 12 percent, and new front and rear anti-roll bars. The PASM adjustable shock absorbers have been completely recalibrated, and the suspension pickup points have changed, thanks to new hubs. New stability control and traction control that can both be defeated if you want no nannies.
This thing about the GT2 Widow Maker has to do with the 996 and torque appearing suddenly with only two wheels with driver aids turned off but also with deceleration.
All cars have had value run up, and 99% of them will go back down. 997 GT cars, like the NSX, are unique, rare, and are the pinnacle of driver involvement and are going nowhere but up. People are selling their 991s to go back to 997s. I love my GT3
Great info for the Porsche GT nerds!
@@Zygrene Not sure anyone already answered your question in the video, but the GT2 has stiffer springs on the back due to the increased weight of the turbo + intercoolers and the PSC2 have stiffer shoulder than the PS4S. This might explain the difference... Cheers!
997.1 gt3 is so good. The wing is not as dramatic and personally I think it looks just as good, if not better than the 997.2. The last of the Mezger engine's and it screams.
All these GTs are amazing, any of them is stuff of dreams, but the 997.1 GT3 is just something else, tops all of them with sound and character. Wow, what a car!
Been following you both for a while. Love to see the collab. More please
I've got the Identical 07 GT3 & agree - very Raw stiff clutch amazing engine comfortable enough for long long trips (which I've done) and a sh*t ton of fun. My other fun car is a 96 993 manual - great daily car - GT3 Not So Much... Thanks for the comparison. I find anything newer than the 997 too big and too refined - that's just me.
Just discovered this. Very well made, good production and very articulate. Great job!
Great video. Having just picked a 997.1 GT3 last week, your feedback is very accurate.
I needed some Porsche content thanks
The 991.2 GT3 sounded like a turbo from the outside compared the 997.1. The 997 is just on another level.
All of porsche GT models are awesome, it goes down on your preferences.
The 997 GT3 is a legend whoever drives it loves it even if its not as practical as others.
I was hoping that to see GT4 718 manual to compare to these
Always a treat watching your videos Fenton. Got a feeling your catching the Socal bug now 😁😁. You should try out the old school air cooled 911’s next.
I do have an air cooled Porsche in the works!
this is great content thanks both Zs!
I dunno why you don’t have more subscribers. Shame really, you deserve more recognition!
Not sure but it doesn't bother me. As long as there's someone who finds my video entertaining or informative, I'll keep em coming!
22:55 that 997 gt3 looks so happy from above :)
I drive a 996.2 GT3 Clubsport. The fun factor of this car is immense. What I also like is that it is much smaller then the new ones. On Swiss mountain roads that’s important 🙌
First! Love these videos. Keep up the awesome work. How does the shifter feel compared to the NSX?
I prefer the NSX shifter over the 997 shifter hands down. Even less slop and easier to speed shift. 991.2 GT3 shifter comes very close though.
Watched a couple of 1 minute ads for you there, just for how awesome that was.
The seat material is called Houndstooth like Bear Bryant’s hat
First time viewer and now a subscriber. I really enjoyed the video comparing the various vehicles. I drive a 997.2 TT 6MT, but have driven the 997.1 GT 3. For me, it was just too harsh of a car to drive daily, with the heavy clutch and steering. I don’t track my cars, and do mostly quick back road weekend driving, so a GT car is not likely for me. That said, the GT3 Touring (991) may be the most interesting car that is both a comfortable daily driver and track able car with the manual transmission. Just wished they were not priced at 40-50k above their list price, but the rule of supply and demand carries the day.
Welcome to the channel! Your 997.2 TT is definitely a better street car than the GT3. GT cars really only come alive on wide open back roads and tracks. But in those environments, they are truly something special.
I also like that you tested the GT3 vs the GT2, which IMO is the GT3 with turbochargers. Porsche has always been on the cutting edge of turbo charger technology and notwithstanding the awe and respect they receive for their naturally aspirated cars, the turbos make these smaller displacement motors come alive. I’ve read that a 991.2 GTS, RWD, with PDK can be made to be a lot faster than a stock GT3 through an engine tune, larger turbo, and some suspension upgrades. Now that would be a sleeper car.
@@markjames8160 that's interesting because I've never driven a 991 besides the GT3 and GT3 Touring. I will be reviewing a base 991.1 C2 very soon and curious how "soft" it will feel in comparison. Stay tuned
Channel becoming a Porsche channel :D keep them coming
From s2k review channel to porsche review channel 🤐
@@Zygrene convinced me that I need a 997 in my life
Love the collars with zent rose
On the first WOT for the 997.1 GT3 I was sold hard.
Just wait. An upcoming video will have WOT shots of a 4.2L 997.2 GT3!
The crooked ‘S’ at 15:05 would drive me nuts…
Can't watch! would constantly think about that
Great video, see if you can add a 997.2 and a 991.1 and a 996.2 to do a full generational spectrum GT3 review video!
Honestly I would love to have a 991.2 and a 997.2 GT3 in my garage. Everyday fun + something extra special and raw when the occasion calls for it.
But if I have to be honest with myself. The niche that a 991.2 GT3 Touring will fill for me will be just as well serve by a 718 GT4 or Spyder. Love the GT3 Touring but not sure if I can justify 100k for that engine.
Never thought about it that way. Basically 100k for a motor. But if there's any motor that's worth the price, it's gotta be that glorious 4.0
@@Zygrene I am speaking from my own perspective of someone who have a 997.2 GT3 in the garage. A 991.2 would be awesome but I don’t see myself selling my 997.2 for a something that “does it all”.
Basically I would love to have both a “purist” car and a “lifestyle” car in my garage.
I am really hoping they’ll actually make a 718 Spyder RS (or the RS Spyder!). I honestly think Porsche should bring the new 992 4.0 motor to the RS line for the 718. Let’s face it, the 992 is huge, this is going to be the last 911 that can still claim to sort of be a sports car before it goes full GT because of the size. The Cayman and Boxsters will be the purists sports car of Porsche’s future.
@@samwisee Totally get it. 997 is definitely more of a pure driver's car than the 991.2.
A Boxster with the 992 4.0 motor would be completely ridiculous, in the best way possible. I hope you're onto something! Would make a pretty great swan song for Porsche's ICE.
The sound of 997 is epic. The 991 sounds good from inside but not from outside. I think the best gt3 is the 996 then the 991.2
Need to get my hands on a 996 GT3/GT2 to see how much rawer they feel compared to 997!
Love it!! ..-New Subscriber
Not only would the tires change the characteristics of GT3 vs GT2 but the suspension (sway bars, ride height, rebound, camber, etc.) settings would cause a different feel very easily.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the 718 GT4 compared to these, as that's the car I'm going for!
just to note, black gt2 just sold for 220, meteor grey like mine for 230 and sloan cars sold a silver for 250/// market on them climbing rapidly out of nowhere
Their was a 997 Gen 1(which you are driving) GT2 and a Gen 2 and in the Gen 2 also came the GT2rs.
Yes do more collabs please
I think upgrading your mic would make the production so much better. Obviously it's easier for me to say because I'm not coughing up the coin though.
Cup2’s and wider rear end is most likely what made the 997 GT2 feel more planted than the 997 GT3…. Love both cars either way
Side Note: I know it would be super expensive but I’m ready for these newer engines to be swapped into 997 chassis’s
996 gt3, most raw and only narrow body, unique 🙏
Great review as always ! I know on the older 911’s manual is definitely the way to go but between the 991 GT3 with pdk and the 991.2 GT3 with manual which one did you honestly enjoy more ? Thanks
The 991.1 PDK was quicker shifting and more impressive from a technology standpoint, but the 991.2 manual is SO SO good. The flat foot shifting feature reduces the gap in terms of shift times and smoothness, and the shifter feel is one of the best of all time.
The collaboration with Zentrose has been 👍 next up, a collab on how to afford a GT car? 🤓
I'd have to defer to @Zentrose on that one haha
Great video especially with capturing the exhaust sounds. Fenton can you comment on the size of the cars? I often hear the 991/992 generation feels too big relative to the 996/997?
991 definitely feels bigger (wider and longer) than the previous gens but once you're out on an open stretch of road, you don't pay much attention to it. It's still a maneuverable car, especially with 4 wheel steering.
Sounds like size non issue. A zygrene car talk GT2/3/4 special would rock. Interested in value proposition given spike in GT car prices.
@@KT-mi7hk everything has spiked in value, everything but your dollars lol, so not a lot of “deals” to be found compared to prior prices. Now only “deals” compared to other absurdly inflated prices. For enjoyment/$, at twice the cost is a 991.2 GT3T really capable of giving twice the enjoyment than a 997.1 GT3? Probably not!
I love how the 991 had to do a launch control rev bc of the soft limiter lol
I think if you pull both paddles you can rev it up to redline. Didn't find out until later!
“Met-zger” hahahaha
Love both you guys.
No homo
992 next !!! 🙏
Not Houndstooth. Pepita aka Shepherd's check in the GT3T seats.
Next time get 992 GT3 too :P :D
I review whatever people offer to let me drive 🙂
Peak 911 and GT cars is the 997.2 RS 3.8.
Houndstooth* @ 14:35
Ah that's it!
Hi, I like your video so much.
I live in Norway now and looking for GT2 2008, black coulor, I like this car and this one comming from germany.
Only 50000 km, and stay in car dealer. Price is 1649 000 NOK.
When I look your black gt2, I se different exhaust system.
My have round pipes.
Do you think it is original?
I hope go to drive this car, but now is much snow so i have to wait.
Thanks.
cool
Thanks for the great review. Not surprised by the conclusion. Although I’m curious, for a fixed budget, would you get 1 touring, or 1 7gt3 + a fast comfortable daily? My instinct is to go with the latter, just because the rawness is difficult to replicate. Also, it’s interesting that some of my friends who have compared 7gt3 with 6gt3 or aircooled rs cars, feel that 7gt3 is much more refined and can be driven daily. So I guess it’s all relative!
That's a damn good question... If I had enough garage space, I'd probably want the 7GT3 for weekend/track and a fast wagon for daily. But ugh... the Touring is so good...
Just tried the 991.2 GT3. The steering actually is crap. It's so soft like in a family car. :( And you can't adjust it anywhere. :( Ruins the feeling. (And actually the rev limit is 8900, the redline is 9k)
German Engineering.
Gt3 997.1 the best of them all, and the 991 engine are not so reliable, far not so good as the mezger
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