Having grown up in the film era, if I remember correctly, Panatomic-X was primarily a scientific and microscopy film due to its slow speed, extremely fine grain and punishingly harsh contrast. Further, and again, if I remember correctly, the film had absolutely incredible latitude so the standard was to massively overexpose the film to create as much shadow detail as possible then underdevelop it to save the highlights. As far as the weird results you got, that looks to me like the film got too warm for too long and the emulsion started to pull away from the substrate causing a wrinkled or buckled look. It was good, though, to see an old friend; haven't heard the Panatomic-X name in 30 years or more.
@@grainydaysss This stuff is so old I can guarantee you the internet will be a wasteland if you try to find information on it. Instead, I would highly encourage you to seek out old photography books, especially ones published by Kodak and especially those on microscopy and scientific photography (Kodak had a whole series on that for the STEM folks). These books will be tough to find, extremely old, musty, have stained covers and cracking them without a mask on may render some kind of fungal lung infection, but it'll be worth it. I would start with WorldCat(dot)org to search across libraries; your library can often borrow from another library and get a book in for you from across the country in a few weeks. I just went there and put in 'Kodak microscopy' and it came up with 'Photomicrography; an introduction to photography with the microscope, with a section on motion photomicrography' located at 212 libraries across the country. Florida State University and Benson Ford Research Center has the book: "Black and white transparencies with Kodak Panatomic-X film (FX 135)" There is also a copy of 'Outdoor Kodaguide for Kodak films : Verichrome, Plus-X, Panatomic-X, Super-XX, minature, roll, and pack.' in Ottawa that would be a bit harder to acquire from a U.S. library but your librarian might know other places to look for that publication that are more accessible. And there's always e-bay, Amazon and AbeBooks where such esoteric gems pop up now and then. Happy hunting!
@bdwilcox Actually you might be thinking of ‘Tech Pan’ which was the scientific and reproduction film. Panatomic X was a slow, ASA 32 film and a very fine grained pictorial film which rendered a wide range of smooth grey due to its curve. Tech Pan was more like litho, super contrast and almost zero grain. Tech Pan was also used pictorially but in a special developer called Technidol and only then did it reproduce a grey scale.
Yes, it was the microscope film of choice for science. My father shot his entire geology microscopy thesis with this film stock. Microdol was the developer of choice. High purity monochromatic light was used with Zeiss lenses. He shot a few images of people with this, but I don't remember what they looked like.
@@tomgdownhill Yep. This is exactly the technique I was taught in university to illustrate the effects of the exposure triangle in 'real time' in order to compensate for over/under exposure against the developed speed. I never thought to try it at the film exposure stage, though!
Man, this whole thing looks like fun to me. I shoot expired film occasionally and the result is a total crap shoot, but sometimes magic happens to make it all worthwhile. The non-blurry image of Caleb is just that kind of unexpected magic in my opinion. A nice contact print, framed, would make a good Christmas present for him (I think). The ancient film in that portrait looks gritty, grainy and spotty in a way that someone who just sees the print without knowing the whole story would say, "How did you get this amazing, killer looking gritty, grainy and spotty look?!"
This is fucking rad. I love that you're not afraid to shoot old film and show us the process. Keep it up! I honestly really loved all the photos. The gamble on whether or not something is going to turn out is half the fun. It adds character and tells a story, layering a dimension to each photo. That portrait of Caleb is 🔥
*Really cool project* .Using old, expired film can be such a hit-and-miss.That portrait! 😍 *Amazing* how large format renders subjects. Thanks for sharing your large format exploits.
Having followed channel from the early days its so satisfying to see it getting the recognition it deserves. Initially, it was the humour as well as the photography that appealed to me, its still on the money.
I’ve got a batch of 120 Kodak Panatomic X film that expired in 1972. But it’s been in a freezer continuously since 1970. And it’s perfect. Freezing absolutely preserves film characteristics.
Another great video!!! Back in the 1960s, I would shoot 35MM Panatomic-X and develope it in Microdol-X Developer for super fine grain. The grain was practically invisible. Thanks for this episode. I also enjoy seeing Monica and especially Baxter!
It nice you have this old-fashioned camera worthy to learn. Also, this place where Star Trek movie was plays action and actress filmmaking. I was there before in 2015.
Awesome video! You've got to be one of the most savvy 8x10 shooters or hate yourself (or both) to go shoot with 60 year old sheet film. The results were awesome though. The portrait of Caleb is straight baller
Diggin the Ansel Adams Hat and Scarf! Panatomix X was the bomb in my day, very fine grain, wicked prints with nylon hose trick and polycontrast filters.
Finally some goddamn rail photos! At 11:03, you can actually see my home railroad, the Providence and Worcester, all the way out in CA! Would've loved if you had gotten the train in that sheet, but still some great shots!
5:57, 6:10 and 7:17 you reminded me of a young Ansel Adams with that hat and bandana. Always enjoy your videos and this one especially re the age of the film. Caleb looked like he had an old movie backdrop behind him. Thanks and regards.
Amazing shots, and some really cool film! For anyone interested, I'm pretty sure Catlabs 80 is rebadged Shanghai GP3 - handy for looking up dev times or buying in places where they sell Shanghai film.
Rockin the vintage Ansel Adams hat is required when shooting large format. Same same the beard. I don't have either so I have to shoot my 4x5 behind closed doors in shame.
I think you could have asked for a special development. Maybe for the second phase of the test. A contrasty development would give you better tonal range. Great video!!
I'm a little envious of your set up..... I would love to have a camera and the knowledge how to use it. My RB67 is with me sins the 70th . I still dream of a larger format. Thanks for sharing
Developing in HC-110 at 1+90 dilution for 18 mins will get an image on anything. Plus, HC-110 handle film base fog really well. I've used that to get images on 4x5 Ansco Pan film from 1955.
You should have fashioned a rudimentary large format camera and film at that location out of rocks and sticks, like the Gorn did in the Flintstones movie.
I came across a few rolls of Panatomic X and put one through my Speed Graphic and one through the Rolleiflex. Not every shot was perfect but it surprised me how well it worked.
Funny, I'm the one who sent you the Hopper artwork on IG because it gets you "moist." To which you replied that you were infact, "hella moist." Glad to have been of some assistance.
Really cool! You could have also done an exposure test by not taking the slide all the way out and doing multiple steps on the same sheet that way you didnt waste as many sheets
Hey--have some PanatomicX 120 in camera right now, guessed ISO20. Have not developed. Can I ask how you developed yours? Where did you send it and do you know what developer they used?
Having grown up in the film era, if I remember correctly, Panatomic-X was primarily a scientific and microscopy film due to its slow speed, extremely fine grain and punishingly harsh contrast. Further, and again, if I remember correctly, the film had absolutely incredible latitude so the standard was to massively overexpose the film to create as much shadow detail as possible then underdevelop it to save the highlights. As far as the weird results you got, that looks to me like the film got too warm for too long and the emulsion started to pull away from the substrate causing a wrinkled or buckled look. It was good, though, to see an old friend; haven't heard the Panatomic-X name in 30 years or more.
Thank you for the information, it's cool to know the history on this stock! I'd have to agree with the incredible latitude claim.
@@grainydaysss This stuff is so old I can guarantee you the internet will be a wasteland if you try to find information on it. Instead, I would highly encourage you to seek out old photography books, especially ones published by Kodak and especially those on microscopy and scientific photography (Kodak had a whole series on that for the STEM folks). These books will be tough to find, extremely old, musty, have stained covers and cracking them without a mask on may render some kind of fungal lung infection, but it'll be worth it. I would start with WorldCat(dot)org to search across libraries; your library can often borrow from another library and get a book in for you from across the country in a few weeks. I just went there and put in 'Kodak microscopy' and it came up with 'Photomicrography; an introduction to photography with the microscope, with a section on motion photomicrography' located at 212 libraries across the country. Florida State University and Benson Ford Research Center has the book: "Black and white transparencies with Kodak Panatomic-X film (FX 135)" There is also a copy of 'Outdoor Kodaguide for Kodak films : Verichrome, Plus-X, Panatomic-X, Super-XX, minature, roll, and pack.' in Ottawa that would be a bit harder to acquire from a U.S. library but your librarian might know other places to look for that publication that are more accessible. And there's always e-bay, Amazon and AbeBooks where such esoteric gems pop up now and then. Happy hunting!
@@bdwilcox Thanks for sharing.
@bdwilcox
Actually you might be thinking of ‘Tech Pan’ which was the scientific and reproduction film.
Panatomic X was a slow, ASA 32 film and a very fine grained pictorial film which rendered a wide range of smooth grey due to its curve.
Tech Pan was more like litho, super contrast and almost zero grain. Tech Pan was also used pictorially but in a special developer called Technidol and only then did it reproduce a grey scale.
Yes, it was the microscope film of choice for science. My father shot his entire geology microscopy thesis with this film stock. Microdol was the developer of choice. High purity monochromatic light was used with Zeiss lenses. He shot a few images of people with this, but I don't remember what they looked like.
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See ya next time. Cheers
Thanks a lot bitch
@@nospoilers8759 you're welcome
how is this not a pinned comment yet
@@kollegekool It's all in Baxter's paws
Awesome video!
You can just pull the dark slide on small portions on equal intervals of time to test the ISO. As one tests the exposure when printing.
solid tip!
Exactly what i was going to write XD basically the same trick as the classic "expo test" in the drakroom with paper
@@tomgdownhill Yep. This is exactly the technique I was taught in university to illustrate the effects of the exposure triangle in 'real time' in order to compensate for over/under exposure against the developed speed. I never thought to try it at the film exposure stage, though!
the portrait of Kaleb is insane. very rugged look.
Possibly the best image. A case where an experiment goes way wrong and ends up beautiful.
.....and then you meet him! Only joshing with ya Caleb, or am I....?!
"Film is a bit like Shrödinger's cat....." 😂😂😂 Fucking brilliant man.
Despite his pronounciation was as bad as my written english.
The age damage on those sheets really adds to the gritty rock textures in the frame. Kinda has a cosmic feel as they remind of stars
Jason's mullet: Business in the front, party in the back.
Isn’t that every mullet lol
And Frankly Disappointing on the sides
@@kennethservida6144 Apparently it's what FD stands for on Canon lenses
Bloody amazing video man I’m so happy I was able to help out the channel like this
Shout out to Andrew right here
you're the man!
I always wondered how a film as old as my soul would look like. Thanks
Somehow I always seem to call while you are recording a video... It's my superpower 🚀
I do love the comparison of undeveloped film photos to schrodinger's cat.
Man, this whole thing looks like fun to me. I shoot expired film occasionally and the result is a total crap shoot, but sometimes magic happens to make it all worthwhile. The non-blurry image of Caleb is just that kind of unexpected magic in my opinion. A nice contact print, framed, would make a good Christmas present for him (I think). The ancient film in that portrait looks gritty, grainy and spotty in a way that someone who just sees the print without knowing the whole story would say, "How did you get this amazing, killer looking gritty, grainy and spotty look?!"
This is fucking rad. I love that you're not afraid to shoot old film and show us the process. Keep it up! I honestly really loved all the photos. The gamble on whether or not something is going to turn out is half the fun. It adds character and tells a story, layering a dimension to each photo. That portrait of Caleb is 🔥
That portrait is solid work, how many portraits can say they were shot on film older than they were.
Jason got a booty call from caleb. 😂finally we have the proof.
Do you literally keep a notebook of clever one-liners? Getting a good laugh in every time I watch your videos. Definite plus!
There’s literally no way you don’t run a meme account with your humor.
*Really cool project* .Using old, expired film can be such a hit-and-miss.That portrait! 😍 *Amazing* how large format renders subjects. Thanks for sharing your large format exploits.
Absolutely love that portrait.
Having followed channel from the early days its so satisfying to see it getting the recognition it deserves. Initially, it was the humour as well as the photography that appealed to me, its still on the money.
This channel is so underrated! Seriously some of the best film photography content out there!
I’ve got a batch of 120 Kodak Panatomic X film that expired in 1972. But it’s been in a freezer continuously since 1970. And it’s perfect. Freezing absolutely preserves film characteristics.
I thought for sure you were going to say you shot 60 sheets of ONE year old film!
Shit that would have been HILARIOUS !!
underrated channel. i always, always look forward to your videos; quality content!
Another great video!!! Back in the 1960s, I would shoot 35MM Panatomic-X and develope it in Microdol-X Developer for super fine grain. The grain was practically invisible. Thanks for this episode. I also enjoy seeing Monica and especially Baxter!
The portrait shots looked like something from the movie “The Haunting”
For a film that expired when I was born, it looks great!
Your dead pan is spot on man. It keeps me in stitches. 😄🤣😂😆
These videos are becoming so incredibly good. Geez.
Man, that is one dope portrait shot
Under all that self-depreciating attitude, you are a master of this craft ! Thanks again
It nice you have this old-fashioned camera worthy to learn. Also, this place where Star Trek movie was plays action and actress filmmaking. I was there before in 2015.
Awesome video! You've got to be one of the most savvy 8x10 shooters or hate yourself (or both) to go shoot with 60 year old sheet film. The results were awesome though. The portrait of Caleb is straight baller
That portrait was amazing 👏
"what am i feeling right now?"
"emotionally?"
That zoom-in parallax effect you’ve been doing in the latest videos, would love to know how it’s done!
This.
Diggin the Ansel Adams Hat and Scarf! Panatomix X was the bomb in my day, very fine grain, wicked prints with nylon hose trick and polycontrast filters.
Loved that portrait, great video
Awesome video as always, I'd love to see more expired film shoots like this, so fascinating!
its never a question of whether I will give your videos likes or not but what joke or reference you make that reminds me to give it one
"i think i probably could've done most these photos better if i'm being honest" now thats my whole life story right there
Finally some goddamn rail photos! At 11:03, you can actually see my home railroad, the Providence and Worcester, all the way out in CA! Would've loved if you had gotten the train in that sheet, but still some great shots!
''Flat like a roadkill'' OMG you go me teared up.
I always look forward to your videos Jason, so good. That film was amazing, considering how out of date it was. Incredible! Keep up the great work 😃
Amazing project
so sick really like this a lot those desert shots where swag as fuck
wow im old
not old. just experienced
Love the location you went to, it looks amazing!
The best portrait you have ever taken is the best portrait ever seen on this channel. Congrats!
By the way, it's a fuckin' awesome shot. 3D like 3D should be!
5:57, 6:10 and 7:17 you reminded me of a young Ansel Adams with that hat and bandana. Always enjoy your videos and this one especially re the age of the film. Caleb looked like he had an old movie backdrop behind him. Thanks and regards.
Love the comparison to Schrödinger’s cat. So true.
7:56 I love that ghost appearance in your shot.
Amazing shots, and some really cool film! For anyone interested, I'm pretty sure Catlabs 80 is rebadged Shanghai GP3 - handy for looking up dev times or buying in places where they sell Shanghai film.
I said "aww puppy" exactly when Baxter looked at the camera. I think he felt that.
Yep, you did a great job with this portrait.
9:02 ...sharp pictures ... every one can do that... but this one is special very unique shot! I like it!
Your 9:53 portrait is so cool!!!!! Btw im a huge fan of this channel. Starting my first film camera last year september 2021. XD
Damn you. I am supposed to be writing my thesis, but we all know what is more deserving of my attention right now.
As Usual Another Vintage Psychedelic Video
Keep The Film Vibe Alive Man ..
Wow that picture of Caleb! That might be the best photo I've ever seen on the channel.
This was absolutely hilarious. I died. I’m dead.
That shot of Caleb the friendly giant is fantastic!
I was just listening to the Fujilove interview when the notification for this video rang.
I have a line on some Kodak Plus X 120 film that expired in 1954. I think I’ll buy it it! Looks like a lot of fun to shoot.
All of these are sick
Came for the expired sheet film, stayed for the self-deprecating witty jabs. Subscribed!
Instant like for that large format hotness.
im in a good mood, and you uploading a vid has made it even better 😊
Rockin the vintage Ansel Adams hat is required when shooting large format. Same same the beard. I don't have either so I have to shoot my 4x5 behind closed doors in shame.
I kinda dig the textures, maybe even love it
I think you could have asked for a special development. Maybe for the second phase of the test. A contrasty development would give you better tonal range. Great video!!
I'm a little envious of your set up..... I would love to have a camera and the knowledge how to use it. My RB67 is with me sins the 70th . I still dream of a larger format. Thanks for sharing
10:05 absolute killer shot!
I may or may not have been refreshing my youtube daily waiting for this moment
1:23 - so much knowledge and truth.
I love you Humor. Nice work. Greetings from Germany
thank you for this high quality content
Great Video! Cool info Thank you.
Another great video
Developing in HC-110 at 1+90 dilution for 18 mins will get an image on anything. Plus, HC-110 handle film base fog really well. I've used that to get images on 4x5 Ansco Pan film from 1955.
You should have fashioned a rudimentary large format camera and film at that location out of rocks and sticks, like the Gorn did in the Flintstones movie.
I came across a few rolls of Panatomic X and put one through my Speed Graphic and one through the Rolleiflex. Not every shot was perfect but it surprised me how well it worked.
Excellent work sir!
That last one is a sweet portrait fo sho.
Funny, I'm the one who sent you the Hopper artwork on IG because it gets you "moist." To which you replied that you were infact, "hella moist." Glad to have been of some assistance.
Still hella moist
Really cool! You could have also done an exposure test by not taking the slide all the way out and doing multiple steps on the same sheet that way you didnt waste as many sheets
You blew my mind with the Schrodinger's Cat analogy 🤯
I love the portrait of Caleb too
Caleb obviously saved the day with his modeling magic. 🙂
So we leaned that the only way to shoot Caleb cool is to use the 60 years old film.
I'm glad you finally find this.
Hey--have some PanatomicX 120 in camera right now, guessed ISO20. Have not developed. Can I ask how you developed yours? Where did you send it and do you know what developer they used?
This is sick! Love you from the Philippines 🇵🇭
Watching from the PH as well. Cool vid! Always staying tuned for content from you.
This Schrodinger shit is GOLD!
You know the more fucked up shots were the more I liked them, these fuckups add so much to the texture and vibe of the photos
Panatomic-X is fucking amazing, only shot it in 35mm but god it holds up so well
Always a banger.
Also Caleb's looking fly af
2:15 I was hoping he was going to say Mustafar ahaha
this is amazing... those little black dots are from radioactive fallout, from the atomic tests in Nevada in the 50s
This is great, very interesting!
I shoot expired in the early 60s Kodak black and white 35mm iso 400. Turns out decently grainy but I still love it.