I'm all for people doing what they want, despite other people not liking it. However, I also think when "social media" is your why, it's not a good thing.
Social media almost exclusively shows the pros, never the cons. I think it helps people overlook the cons a lot easier than folks who modify a car based on other forms of references. In my opinion, operating a 2500+ lbs piece of metal while overlooking the shortcomings of a certain decision is pretty dangerous. The same problem can apply to other things in life too lol.
If the dude with the Volkswagen talked about his build being "unique" one more time I don't think I would've made it through the whole video, idk how many times I've seen that generation vw lowered on those exact same wheels
There are a ton of identical golfs running around at the meets around me. Slammed on those wheels or on knockoff BBS wheels claiming that they are real.
I mean how else ppl now in days going to see a style they like. Not like back in the day you would see shit on car shows. Acting up for clout is one thing.
Fully agree. Doing it to be genuine is a dangerous path to justify your choices based on others' opinions. Do it cause you like it, not because it hasn't been done before.
"If you build your car the right way it's not dangerous" The problem with this statement is if you remove aesthetic preferences from the equation then stancing a car is literally making it significantly more dangerous. It is no surprise that this style is popular with young people as opposed to a certain generation because I think the general trend is that most people grow up and realize the sheer stupidity of it.
Depends on how stanced it is. Balding tires are significantly more dangerous than a serious stanced out car. More dangerous than stock? Definitely. More dangerous than most mods? Nope.
Doing research and choosing the right quality tires, suspension parts, and wheels is just the same and as important to making a reliable vehicle as performance parts. Having had (and still drive) three bagged stanced cars (which really is the "proper" way to build a stanced car), have all been used as daily drivers and gone on numerous road trips with tens of thousands of miles without a hiccup. This includes "excessive" camber at -8 degrees, 205's on 9.5 wide's, and a inch of suspension travel. They have been safe and drive more like a "normal" car than any track or "modified" car, even at triple digit speeds. Most just choose not to put in the time, effort, and most importantly, money to do it right. You wouldn't put a $200 turbo, $80 tires, or $300 coilover's on your car and expect it to last, be safe, or be remotely reliable would you? A way a person drives and quality of parts is much more concerning to me than being a mere stanced car. Do I think excessive camber in combination with driving slammed inches of the ground, especially without air suspension is dumb? Yes, and they definitely give stance a bad name; however, a couple of degrees of camber, wheels flushed to the fender, drivable height, and a reasonable driver is no less dangerous when done right. The cars G&G used for the roadtrip and the cars used in this video were cheaply done, excessive, and obviously owned by people who don't give a crap about their cars, themselves, or safety. Again, the driver and quality of parts matters significantly more than the car itself.
Personally im a young car enthusiast I have a 2018 gti which I see lots of gti stanced I think it's just kind of stupid and unpractical. Yea young people like doing dangerous stuff from the thrill of being young and basically bulletproof
A certain (boomer) generation use to cut the springs before they could or there is the market support for it. Now we are also the one passing judgment on stancers. Lol
half of the issues can be solved by using air suspension. never got the appeal of ruining your car just to have props for being static lol especially cars over 20k but yeah, its their money!
there's the argument that cars on air drive like shit because to have them low there's no pressure in them and even when they're all the way up they don't drive great. however stanced cars will also drive like shit
@@finnjb3249 yeah that can be true, I’m at around 45-50 psi driving at a “low” height. It will never be as good as coils but for its use it’s perfect for me.
@@finnjb3249 bro wtf are you talking about. Lower psi= softer more plush ride, more psi= harsher ride. This means air ride drives better when it's aired down a bit. You don't want pressure. Pressure means stiff, and stiff means feeling every bump in the road in your spinal chord. Air ride drives a lot better than coilovers and thousands of times better than shitty coilovers. Good coilovers drive very nice, but bags are always better. IDK, i got out of the stanced german car game awhile ago. Now I'm into lifted toyotas and don't have nearly as many headaches as I used to.
I cringed so hard when I saw that fender at 0:35 Maybe the border between customizing and ruining is when your customizations literally destroy your car.
Gears & Gasoline: “So even if you don’t like stanced cars, at least you can understand why someone would stance their car.” Stance boy: “There’s really no actual answer why I stanced my car.”
I was just thinking they chose people that didn’t seem that hard into the “scene” I’ve been doing low car shot for years and gotten my wife and family into it maybe it’s the demographic of where they are located tho
They mentioned it not hurting the car community which isn’t exactly true. Where I’m from, government reformed regulations and police started cracking down on the car community specifically to go after the hellaflush scene and it screwed over the entire car scene for a while here.
yup, and I'm not going to argue my Datsun 620 long bed wasn't too dang low! a CHP was nice and explained everything why. I un-reversed the rear leafs and used 2" lowering blocks then 15" centerlines and 185/60 15's, still lowered but modified for handling, KYB's etc. it was so much more fun!
I very much doubt that the stance community has been responsible for the law enforcement crackdown on the car community. I've been watching videos from many different events from all over the world and participated in many events on my own country (Portugal) and the only thing stanced cars are making is attracting the attention of the authorities due to being clearly visually modified, leading them to gatherings where, unavoidably, some idiot will be doing donuts, crashing into parked cars or spectators, rolling coal, shooting flames or banging and popping their exhaust. Want to blame someone for that? Blame the street racing/drifting crowd that ruined it for all of us by dropping every cent they ever made under the hood and then not going to a certified drag strip/skid pad/track day because "that's expensive"... 🤔 All my cars have been modified and will without an issue pass Tech Inspection annually while being in better shape than stock 2/3 year old cars. Granted, my cars have never been to the extreme of bumpers falling off/horizontal wheels stanced but still... 😅
@@VirtuaDesign No, here in Canada stanced car made the news. Our province introduced the new law in 2014 calling it by name : Hellaflush. The crackdown was a direct reaction to the stance cars. And it hurt every modded car owner as they made the law extremely broad and powerful, essentially cracking down on ANY lowering. A15mm spring drop with OEM spec alignment is illegal, and since then Police can, and do, send you to a mechanical inspection, that you will fail and remove the car from the road unless you swap back to OEM. Since a year or two, as most really slammed cars are out of the road they have been relaxing, ( Not saying street racing is not an issue, but here that wasn't much an issue, but I foresee it becoming one again as growing cities are pressuring track owners to close shop because of the noise. )
My thought on stance has always been; "why don't you just put it on bags and slam it when it's parked?" I get you don't get the crazy camber but some of that is there and you still get functionality.
I’m currently building a stance E46 Sedan on bags and so far i had no issues so I agree. I like static builds but I’d never do it to my car just because i don’t wanna ruin it
I’m currently building a stance E46 Sedan on bags and so far i had no issues so I agree. I like static builds but I’d never do it to my car just because i don’t wanna ruin it
I'm more of a "form follows function" kind of guy. So obviously, stance life isn't for me. But for a lot of guys, it can be a gateway into the automotive community. After they get the stance stuff out of their system, we can help them build something more enjoyable.
When I was in highschool in the early 2000s. Some kids would wear these jeans that were covered in chains. Some were brightly colored on top of that. You would hear them rattling down the hall way. All of those kids claimed they loved the style, in reality they loved the attention. Negative or positive, attention was attention. That is what stance reminds me of.
The answers are simple. Clout, E-fame, Insta-fame, attention, peer approval, Likes, and Followers. The majority of these guys aren't even into cars at all, just looking for somewhere to fit in or acceptance. Purposely making your car worse just so it looks different is something that kids that don't get attention do. They are desperate for attention and approval from anyone and everyone, even if it's negative attention, because at least people are talking about them and acknowledging that they exist.
is there a problem with someone using their car that they spend their hard earned money on for attention? most ppl who stance their cars are genuinely into the look and find other ppl who share the same interest like every hobby in the world you find a hobby you like and eventually find others who like it as well and there’s nothing wrong with that
Mini-trucks were a thing when I was younger, people lowered them, patched & smoothed out the handles & latches & installed poppers/actuators, massive sound systems in the bed with a fiberglass tonneau cover to waterproof it, metallic flaked paint in loud colors etc. I wasn't into that scene, but when they were done right I could appreciate the effort that went into them. Stance is the new mini-truck to me; the modifications make it a worse vehicle, but that's not the goal, the goal is to have a show piece. I'm not into stance either though, so the way I look at it may be erroneous.
One thing i have learnt from when i got my first car to now, is i enjoy the comfort of a stock/ lightly modified car more then sitting in a half gutted bucket seat harnessed track car with fumes entering the cabin giving me cancer. Maybe it comes with age, all i know is I've grown out of it
When you hear stance, I think most people picture super cambered out cars that aren't reliable let alone have any functionality. I personally love stance because of how it look. I feel its reasonable to have a couple degrees of camber, probably 4 degrees at most give or take for regular use. It really just depends on your situation; lets say you want a track setup, maybe a drift build, or just something to look pretty. I'm all for it but not to an extreme where your car breaks every time you drive it
03:59 "...scrapes on the gas tank, but that's about it" - those are the kind of brains that are behind stanced cars. Yes it hurts the car community. And no, real car people will never understand why people do it.
I mainly aim towards performance and I'm all for being different but to a certain point. Most examples of "stance" are done very poorly. There are many cars I would choose not to stance but if I was to do it it'd be something like a Lexus ls430 VIP style and definitely on bags because breaking stuff is no fun.
it's the little things though that bother me with a lot of stance cars. It's not the ridiculous camber or unusable ride height, but the mounting splitter support rods to non-structural parts of your bumper, or other cobbled together bits (like the Bens Acura & VW from the road trip), which makes up a LOT of what I tend to see in the wild. however, when there's care and thought put into a stance build, I can respect and appreciate it.
Not unsafe if done right? Wtf? These people are on purpose minimising contact area, while bottoming out their suspension and reduced travel. Great idea, and yes some motorsport cars do have negative camber to improve grip but only because to either account for tire warp during HIGH SPEED CORNERS and/or rebalancing the car's grip front & rear.
For me, they're basically the Furries of motorsports. I don't particularly mind em', at the very least some are fun to look at, most can't quite explain how they got into the fandom, good or bad if there's attention to be garnered they want it, they tend to have difficulties while moving around, they value uniqueness but they'll fall into tropes more often than not, funny smells, expensive hobby when you get to the deep end...
It screams financially irresponsible and stupidy, especially when it's their only car lol I would never hire someone if they rolled up in a pos like that
@@James-po2sv correction- every PROJECT car. Yeah it sure is cheap to run old jdm cars stock but its also about as boring as your taste in cars is. "tImE tO gRoW uP aNd DrIvE sToCk CoMpAnY FoRdS tO pAy BiLlS." Maybe get a job where you can afford to have some fun, boomer.
@@James-po2sv and let me guess they where all stock or “OEM+” yeah obviously driving a stock car won’t be expensive, now lest compare a stock S-Chassis to a built SR20 240sx drift car and see if it’s still reliable, no it’s not it’s common sense who I’m taking about
@@beautifulbeaner no it isn’t. You can build a car to make it perform better, look better, all while making it reliable. If your car is a money pit is simply because it’s built poorly. Period
Takes me back to a Chrysler dealership I worked at a few years ago. Folks with grand Cherokees with air suspension bitched their tires wore prematurely. They had their jeeps in "park mode" which lowered the truck and cambered out all 4 tires. I'd replace the tires and align the truck only to see them leave cambered out again. The detailers there belonged to a club with bagged CR-Vs and there wasn't a day I wasn't asked to diagnose a blown bald tire or cracked wheel.
In my opinion, little camber and little bit lower won’t hurt but -9 cambered out slammed Scraping every where type of builds that is too much. The point is to do a unique build that look attractive while maintaining the functionality of the car because trust me I don’t want to take 40 minutes just to get out of my drive way no I don’t have the patience for that and I’m destroying my car in the process big no. Most of these cars will end up in the junk yard unless if they do it right. However, we must respect everybody’s builds no matter what we think of it. They are their cars and they spending their money on them in the end of the day.
These guys didn’t seem to have much of a reason outside of social media. For me personally, a slow cheap car is A-OK to ruin. Slam it. Having to actively drive, having to pay attention to the road for debris and potholes is fun in it’s own way. Similar to when I ride my motorcycle. Plus imo they look nice when parked and in motion on a nice road.
There is a middle ground. You can still lower your car and run up to 3 degrees of camber without completely grinding your car subframe on the pavement... Set it up so you have 3-4 inches of functional clearance and then use your lip and sideskirts to make it look even lower.
I own a stanced 16 FOST. I wanted it as low as it could possibly be while still being functional enough to daily. I had to camber the rear wheels -4.5 degrees so the tires wouldn't contact the fender.
Another problem I have with stance cars (among many others) is it makes enthusiast cars that much more rare in the future. The people that stance these sought after cars now, ruin them for potential future buyers driving up the prices for enthusiast cars…
My experience the older i get(36now) i prefer more tire(less stretch) less camber and a drivable ride hight, now i get more enjoyment out of a good handeling car and a suspension that can do what it is designed for, things i look for now is are my lower control arms straight, do i need a roll center adjustment kit, added caster in the front, that kind of stuff.
It's pretty bad thing for you guys to "review". You have big race car enthusiasts base, so It's just common sense - lot's of dudes and gals will "hate" stance whatsoever. I love watching your videos and what you do with your cars, but I can't cringe enough about your opinions about stance culture.
because i like breaking my tailbone on a speedbump on a frame dragging civic at like 55 mph and turn my front mount radiator into a sidewalk mounted radiator at full speed
That "We're not hurting anybody" argument is bullshit. You're hurting the car community as a whole by attracting negative attention from the general public. It's the same thing that people doing takeovers are doing, but on a smaller scale.
It’s a “look at me” thing which is fine for kids. But I just hate what it does to the car. It tells me they’re more people who want to be noticed and don’t know all that much about driving dynamics.
This video encapsulates why the stance community gets so much hate. There are no positive outcomes to stance, unless you're chasing clout. Other than that, you're eating through tires, wheels, fenders, suspension components, etc. Thanks for the chuckle, @gearsandgasoline.
Stance cars are all about seeking attention and getting noticed but all the owners never admit it they give the bullshit excuse of they are being unique
Stance has got to be the worst Automotive scene. It's unsafe, it looks like dogshit even with high dollar "builds" and while I get "you can do what you want because it's your car" you're cutting corners somewhere. Like, even an Si with a drop and a set of wheels looks better than 90% of the stance scene
yup, that rear squat fad sure is goofy.. leaf spring lowering blocks cost a lot less than decent drop spindles for the front to match, lots easier to install too! (yee-haw!)
Younger generation are into stance, because it is the cheapest "mod culture" to enter, you literally buy any car and cut the springs, throw some ridiculous camber and pretty much that's it
I feel like stanced cars are just dominating most of the community! And that sucks, I been looking for a car club/group that are more on the "tuner" side of things and we can take road trips and all, but it seems impossible in NY. Everybody just stance their cars, and build them to park =/
@Christian Gotsch not publicly, that I know of. There's some nice back roads I go up to, pretty close by. Getting a crew together to mess around and hang out would be amazing. I used to go to meets to meet people but its mostly slammed cars lol 😆 maybe I'm doing it wrong
@@YeffRamos I doubt these types of groups are public. Sometimes it just takes you inviting people out. From my experience and talking to others, you may find a group of 10-20 people will only net 1-2 who want to go out every week for a cruise. Honestly I feel like if that's what it takes, that's what it takes. I've found more cruising groups by starting/ being a part of groups than asking around to find a group.
@@mrs_radrod I feel like most of those groups also tend to be an older crowd that you won't typically find sitting around in parking lots or at "car meets"
When I first got into cars I really liked stance and thought a lot of cars even looked better stanced, as I've matured as an enthusiast I don't like it much anymore. That being said I don't think stance cars deserve hate, you don't need a logical explanation for why you like a stance car. You should be allowed to do what you want with your car. Spending thousands on a car is crazy already and seems dumb to the average person. Stance is just another level.
I remember making a sarcastic complement of a stance post in facebook. And there's a guy who got so mad at my comment he literally searched my facebook account to get back at me. So i did the same and saw he has a stanced purple honda civic fd and called it the barney ricer. He got even more mad and called his boyfriends to help him.
Stance can hurt people, when you blow out a tire on the highway cause you have 10% contact patch , or bust your oil pan and spill it all over the road, or cause a crash because your car can't drive normally, its Whack. All i got from this was broke boys like stance who can't afford track days, or drifting, or autox, rallyx, etc.
It's still stupid, -20 degrees literally allows you to use less than 10% of the tire, less grip on public roads, I don't need to say why it's dangerous. Drifting use a lot of camber because they have extreme angle kits, etc, it all works together, that crap is just dangrous. Got nothing against stance, extreme camber annoys me though.
I’m planning on finishing my build, taking it to a couple shows, then probably selling it on for a different car. Like they said. I’m not in it for the long run. I just wanna create what in my eyes is a piece of art. And leave it at that.
Engineers of every car company spent a lot of resources making a car drive, ride safe and comfortably. And then we have kids that ruin all of that using cheap bolt ons from ebay.
@@germaineliew2012 Not even that - if you want it to be unique and rad, there are third party engineers who let you start expanding capability in one area at the expense of some of that very safe set of engineering targets, which can add visual bling and performance in key areas... instead it's a performance downgrade to make it visually even more different
The white mk5 golf is what a lot of cars looked like before bodykits really took off in the 2000's here in the uk. As for the exsessive camber I'll never under stand it
I had a stanced frs from 2014~2017 (the whole rocket bunny + rotiform combo). It was the most fun / expensive hobby I had and the one hobby that I enjoyed the most. Literally got compliments on the car once a day whether at a parking lot or stop signs/lights. I think I liked it mostly because of the way it looked but the pain of daily driving the car in Los Angeles was just painful. Broke the front bumper 6 times in 3 years, not to mention all the other problems and inconvenience that came with owning a lowered car. Looking back at it now that I'm 30 and no longer in to cars (have a stage 1 m235i, but mostly riding my motorcycle now) I think stance was just my way of trying to get attention from people to fulfill my need for the lack of attention that I got from my parents while I was growing up. Technically it was an expensive therapy for me lol.
It’s ugly as hell, and I feel most people think the same, but if they’re happy with it, good for em. It’s not my car. edit: i’m trying to be charitable but the damage to the vehicles is just so wildly stupid. ice cars are on their way out and they’re killing what’s left
It's like drugs.. You know you shouldn't do it but you see your friends do it and think I'll try it.. Some get out quick and move on to real car builds while others get sucked in and addicted 🤣
Stance cars are done by young people who are low on funds and can't afford to properly modify the car and have no idea the damage that these modifications do. Every modifier is either currently at the point, or has been at that point in their car ownership. As much as I wince when I see a car like this, it's no different than other fads that have swept over car culture in the past.
yeah bro those shots at the indoor auto show of the R8, Aventador, 350z with the mirror-finished wheels and full custom wraps look so cheap and underfunded... smh lol
strong opinions that don't make sense are given in the comments of youtube videos by people who are low on critical thinking and social acceptance, who can't afford to take the time to think before they say things. Every dumbass is either currently at this point or has been at one point. As much as I wince when I read these comments, it's no different than facebook.
With especially the mustang guy though, why not just get bags? Its more expensive and maybe less “hardcore” than static but it’s probably cheaper than ruining your car amd you could always convert it back to stock and without it being all torn up and get some money out of it when your ready to sell
I think some stanced cars look so cool visually, but it would drive me nuts owning and maintaining one. I have done minor mods to my Lexus IS SportCross where it does both look good visually and handles better than stock, but is still practical and comfortable to drive. Plus I don't have to keep shelling out money tinkering with it replacing damaged parts like the stance guys have to keep doing.
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Why did I stance my car? - “There’s really no actual answer”. This is the exact response I’d expect from stance car owners.
Nobody found a good reason yet to run with it looks like.
Why stance? Because I hate tires and safety 😂
The real reason for those stance cars seems to be attention. They all mentioned Social Media etc.
@@affectedrl5327 All it ever was for.
@@affectedrl5327 oh dears :'(((((
I'm all for people doing what they want, despite other people not liking it. However, I also think when "social media" is your why, it's not a good thing.
I think you have a very respectable way of looking at it.
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That's like my first "skip" for a girl now, if they do something for social media. Lol, unreal how often that is.
Yeah you’ve already lost seeking validation from others
Social media almost exclusively shows the pros, never the cons. I think it helps people overlook the cons a lot easier than folks who modify a car based on other forms of references. In my opinion, operating a 2500+ lbs piece of metal while overlooking the shortcomings of a certain decision is pretty dangerous. The same problem can apply to other things in life too lol.
If the dude with the Volkswagen talked about his build being "unique" one more time I don't think I would've made it through the whole video, idk how many times I've seen that generation vw lowered on those exact same wheels
i came to the comments as soon as he showed up and it’s absolutely laughable it’s included as a “stance” car lmfao
@@cay378 yeah I mean it's low ig but it's still more or less some regular ass traffic
Dude has the most basic wheels on the most basic ass generation of golf
There are a ton of identical golfs running around at the meets around me. Slammed on those wheels or on knockoff BBS wheels claiming that they are real.
Insert “she looks like every other bitch” meme here lol. Nothing unique about that car 😆
Stanced cars are useful. It's great for the rest of us to know from a distance who not to talk to.
Absolutely!
true!
It gives fatherless vibes
this guy woke up this morning and chose violence, huh.
Based take
“Social media” is all the owner needed to say.
I mean how else ppl now in days going to see a style they like. Not like back in the day you would see shit on car shows. Acting up for clout is one thing.
social media is a good reason
Gears and Gasoline said it once before, “Don’t be unique, be genuine.”
Fully agree. Doing it to be genuine is a dangerous path to justify your choices based on others' opinions. Do it cause you like it, not because it hasn't been done before.
unique and genuine?
"If you build your car the right way it's not dangerous"
The problem with this statement is if you remove aesthetic preferences from the equation then stancing a car is literally making it significantly more dangerous. It is no surprise that this style is popular with young people as opposed to a certain generation because I think the general trend is that most people grow up and realize the sheer stupidity of it.
Depends on how stanced it is. Balding tires are significantly more dangerous than a serious stanced out car. More dangerous than stock? Definitely. More dangerous than most mods? Nope.
Doing research and choosing the right quality tires, suspension parts, and wheels is just the same and as important to making a reliable vehicle as performance parts. Having had (and still drive) three bagged stanced cars (which really is the "proper" way to build a stanced car), have all been used as daily drivers and gone on numerous road trips with tens of thousands of miles without a hiccup. This includes "excessive" camber at -8 degrees, 205's on 9.5 wide's, and a inch of suspension travel. They have been safe and drive more like a "normal" car than any track or "modified" car, even at triple digit speeds. Most just choose not to put in the time, effort, and most importantly, money to do it right. You wouldn't put a $200 turbo, $80 tires, or $300 coilover's on your car and expect it to last, be safe, or be remotely reliable would you? A way a person drives and quality of parts is much more concerning to me than being a mere stanced car.
Do I think excessive camber in combination with driving slammed inches of the ground, especially without air suspension is dumb? Yes, and they definitely give stance a bad name; however, a couple of degrees of camber, wheels flushed to the fender, drivable height, and a reasonable driver is no less dangerous when done right. The cars G&G used for the roadtrip and the cars used in this video were cheaply done, excessive, and obviously owned by people who don't give a crap about their cars, themselves, or safety. Again, the driver and quality of parts matters significantly more than the car itself.
Personally im a young car enthusiast I have a 2018 gti which I see lots of gti stanced I think it's just kind of stupid and unpractical.
Yea young people like doing dangerous stuff from the thrill of being young and basically bulletproof
Same with the trend of quick releases in a car without a cage, bucket seats, harness, HANS, helmet
A certain (boomer) generation use to cut the springs before they could or there is the market support for it. Now we are also the one passing judgment on stancers. Lol
half of the issues can be solved by using air suspension. never got the appeal of ruining your car just to have props for being static lol especially cars over 20k but yeah, its their money!
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there's the argument that cars on air drive like shit because to have them low there's no pressure in them and even when they're all the way up they don't drive great. however stanced cars will also drive like shit
@@finnjb3249 yeah that can be true, I’m at around 45-50 psi driving at a “low” height. It will never be as good as coils but for its use it’s perfect for me.
@@finnjb3249 bro wtf are you talking about. Lower psi= softer more plush ride, more psi= harsher ride. This means air ride drives better when it's aired down a bit. You don't want pressure. Pressure means stiff, and stiff means feeling every bump in the road in your spinal chord. Air ride drives a lot better than coilovers and thousands of times better than shitty coilovers. Good coilovers drive very nice, but bags are always better.
IDK, i got out of the stanced german car game awhile ago. Now I'm into lifted toyotas and don't have nearly as many headaches as I used to.
Just not as good as coils, I love whipping around the canyons
I cringed so hard when I saw that fender at 0:35
Maybe the border between customizing and ruining is when your customizations literally destroy your car.
Yeah when the whole point is looks but then you're making your car look like ish from the damage...what the heck is the point???
Gears & Gasoline: “So even if you don’t like stanced cars, at least you can understand why someone would stance their car.”
Stance boy: “There’s really no actual answer why I stanced my car.”
LOL EXACTLY
the reason is it looks cool asf
stance- I want to make my car work less
"its not dangerous if you build the car the right way" -also bacon fenders from his control arm coming loose
Why did you stance your car?
"I need attention"
Only gets it from cops with it dragging its ass down the road.
Like every aesthetic mod? Lol
Sparks that's why
Yeah that literally it theres no other reason why they would do this🤣🤣🤣
@@jevonbigga6172 ofc there is.
This a roast of the stance community from their own mouths 😅 clever
I was just thinking they chose people that didn’t seem that hard into the “scene” I’ve been doing low car shot for years and gotten my wife and family into it maybe it’s the demographic of where they are located tho
Lol. Facts
There’s two types of stance. Pre-tiktok and Post-tiktok (BC-AD)💀
Looks toxic at first, but there are good people in it.
When you have to make sure people know that there are SOME good people...oof
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They mentioned it not hurting the car community which isn’t exactly true. Where I’m from, government reformed regulations and police started cracking down on the car community specifically to go after the hellaflush scene and it screwed over the entire car scene for a while here.
yup, and I'm not going to argue my Datsun 620 long bed wasn't too dang low!
a CHP was nice and explained everything why. I un-reversed the rear leafs and used 2" lowering blocks then 15" centerlines and 185/60 15's, still lowered but modified for handling, KYB's etc. it was so much more fun!
Good point these guys are screwing the rest of us
I very much doubt that the stance community has been responsible for the law enforcement crackdown on the car community. I've been watching videos from many different events from all over the world and participated in many events on my own country (Portugal) and the only thing stanced cars are making is attracting the attention of the authorities due to being clearly visually modified, leading them to gatherings where, unavoidably, some idiot will be doing donuts, crashing into parked cars or spectators, rolling coal, shooting flames or banging and popping their exhaust. Want to blame someone for that? Blame the street racing/drifting crowd that ruined it for all of us by dropping every cent they ever made under the hood and then not going to a certified drag strip/skid pad/track day because "that's expensive"... 🤔
All my cars have been modified and will without an issue pass Tech Inspection annually while being in better shape than stock 2/3 year old cars. Granted, my cars have never been to the extreme of bumpers falling off/horizontal wheels stanced but still... 😅
@@VirtuaDesign No, here in Canada stanced car made the news. Our province introduced the new law in 2014 calling it by name : Hellaflush. The crackdown was a direct reaction to the stance cars.
And it hurt every modded car owner as they made the law extremely broad and powerful, essentially cracking down on ANY lowering. A15mm spring drop with OEM spec alignment is illegal, and since then Police can, and do, send you to a mechanical inspection, that you will fail and remove the car from the road unless you swap back to OEM. Since a year or two, as most really slammed cars are out of the road they have been relaxing,
( Not saying street racing is not an issue, but here that wasn't much an issue, but I foresee it becoming one again as growing cities are pressuring track owners to close shop because of the noise. )
you see far more big police crackdowns on intersection takeovers and pop up meets where people are drifting than on stance cars lol
My thought on stance has always been; "why don't you just put it on bags and slam it when it's parked?"
I get you don't get the crazy camber but some of that is there and you still get functionality.
I’m currently building a stance E46 Sedan on bags and so far i had no issues so I agree. I like static builds but I’d never do it to my car just because i don’t wanna ruin it
I’m currently building a stance E46 Sedan on bags and so far i had no issues so I agree. I like static builds but I’d never do it to my car just because i don’t wanna ruin it
the excessive camber is what makes it look disgusting, bags look great imo
its called money
5-0 John: Stancing “doesn’t hurt anything.” Preceded by laundry list what are damaged 🥓 on his car.
I'm more of a "form follows function" kind of guy. So obviously, stance life isn't for me. But for a lot of guys, it can be a gateway into the automotive community. After they get the stance stuff out of their system, we can help them build something more enjoyable.
imagine stancing a car then buying another car for the track. OMG that would be insane
@@miino_ii I think its called "growing up"
Even if you did value form over function... this still looks like shit
@@miino_ii - Yep, and after you have a properly modded car, that stance car will go up for sale. Happens every time.
@@michaelblacktree and they’ll expect you to pay top dollar for their stance cars because they know what they’ve got….
When I was in highschool in the early 2000s. Some kids would wear these jeans that were covered in chains. Some were brightly colored on top of that. You would hear them rattling down the hall way. All of those kids claimed they loved the style, in reality they loved the attention. Negative or positive, attention was attention. That is what stance reminds me of.
You could say the same thing for anyone who puts their ride in a car show….attention. No harm
@@Klw376 I'm not trying to be negative, or say it causes harm. It's just what it reminds me of.
@@zachp1604i mean if i’m spending my hard earned money on my car i would definitely want people to notice it
Why did I stance my car? I love destroying a well engineered modern vehicle and turning it into a useless piece of garbage.
useless no, looks way better yes "well engineered" well thhey sure left looks out of the equation with that
The answers are simple. Clout, E-fame, Insta-fame, attention, peer approval, Likes, and Followers. The majority of these guys aren't even into cars at all, just looking for somewhere to fit in or acceptance. Purposely making your car worse just so it looks different is something that kids that don't get attention do. They are desperate for attention and approval from anyone and everyone, even if it's negative attention, because at least people are talking about them and acknowledging that they exist.
and it looks amazing? and im into cars completely yet i love stance, and the looks of the car matter most
is there a problem with someone using their car that they spend their hard earned money on for attention? most ppl who stance their cars are genuinely into the look and find other ppl who share the same interest like every hobby in the world you find a hobby you like and eventually find others who like it as well and there’s nothing wrong with that
Mini-trucks were a thing when I was younger, people lowered them, patched & smoothed out the handles & latches & installed poppers/actuators, massive sound systems in the bed with a fiberglass tonneau cover to waterproof it, metallic flaked paint in loud colors etc. I wasn't into that scene, but when they were done right I could appreciate the effort that went into them. Stance is the new mini-truck to me; the modifications make it a worse vehicle, but that's not the goal, the goal is to have a show piece. I'm not into stance either though, so the way I look at it may be erroneous.
One thing i have learnt from when i got my first car to now, is i enjoy the comfort of a stock/ lightly modified car more then sitting in a half gutted bucket seat harnessed track car with fumes entering the cabin giving me cancer. Maybe it comes with age, all i know is I've grown out of it
When you hear stance, I think most people picture super cambered out cars that aren't reliable let alone have any functionality. I personally love stance because of how it look. I feel its reasonable to have a couple degrees of camber, probably 4 degrees at most give or take for regular use. It really just depends on your situation; lets say you want a track setup, maybe a drift build, or just something to look pretty. I'm all for it but not to an extreme where your car breaks every time you drive it
Remember the days when people made fun of you for having bad camber after lowering your car?
Now it’s a feature lmao
im glad thats over with
“If it were manual I’d be at a track swinging my car”. Yeah ok
Why he dind buy a manual then?
@@KINGVONFRM063he said he got a good deal on that car
i swing my car and im stanced and auto soooo
03:59 "...scrapes on the gas tank, but that's about it" - those are the kind of brains that are behind stanced cars.
Yes it hurts the car community.
And no, real car people will never understand why people do it.
I mainly aim towards performance and I'm all for being different but to a certain point. Most examples of "stance" are done very poorly. There are many cars I would choose not to stance but if I was to do it it'd be something like a Lexus ls430 VIP style and definitely on bags because breaking stuff is no fun.
it's the little things though that bother me with a lot of stance cars. It's not the ridiculous camber or unusable ride height, but the mounting splitter support rods to non-structural parts of your bumper, or other cobbled together bits (like the Bens Acura & VW from the road trip), which makes up a LOT of what I tend to see in the wild. however, when there's care and thought put into a stance build, I can respect and appreciate it.
Yeah, I get "my first mod" vibes from a lot of stance cars.
@michael blacktree that's exactly what i mean
I was cringing at all of this except one part. I was laughing out loud at all the damage.
A good video to show me exactly what I already understood and thought of the stance community.
that it looks sick and is amazing
Not unsafe if done right? Wtf? These people are on purpose minimising contact area, while bottoming out their suspension and reduced travel. Great idea, and yes some motorsport cars do have negative camber to improve grip but only because to either account for tire warp during HIGH SPEED CORNERS and/or rebalancing the car's grip front & rear.
Youre still totally missing the point
Wow it’s almost like… there parts that correct the suspension geometry so none of that happens 😱
@@thegabe6389 Is still bottomed out, and massive negative camber bruh
@@XenonG again u can buy suspension parts that will stop you from bottoming out
its not unsafe and i daily drive mine
For me, they're basically the Furries of motorsports. I don't particularly mind em', at the very least some are fun to look at, most can't quite explain how they got into the fandom, good or bad if there's attention to be garnered they want it, they tend to have difficulties while moving around, they value uniqueness but they'll fall into tropes more often than not, funny smells, expensive hobby when you get to the deep end...
Except this is even worse than furries
Most of us are very mechanically inclined and wouldn't do something like this that destroys our car.
This video explained perfectly why stance cars are such a joke
It screams financially irresponsible and stupidy, especially when it's their only car lol I would never hire someone if they rolled up in a pos like that
Dude literally every car is a money pit
@@James-po2sv dude literally yes, unless you drive an old accord your going to spend money
@@James-po2sv correction- every PROJECT car. Yeah it sure is cheap to run old jdm cars stock but its also about as boring as your taste in cars is. "tImE tO gRoW uP aNd DrIvE sToCk CoMpAnY FoRdS tO pAy BiLlS." Maybe get a job where you can afford to have some fun, boomer.
@@James-po2sv and let me guess they where all stock or “OEM+” yeah obviously driving a stock car won’t be expensive, now lest compare a stock S-Chassis to a built SR20 240sx drift car and see if it’s still reliable, no it’s not it’s common sense who I’m taking about
@@beautifulbeaner no it isn’t. You can build a car to make it perform better, look better, all while making it reliable. If your car is a money pit is simply because it’s built poorly. Period
"Scrapes on the fuel tank, but that's about it...."
Deary me.
thats not bad if thats all, just needs to get a fuel cell and hes good
Stanciing your car is equivalent to wearing your pants below your butt. Vanity Insanity.
Takes me back to a Chrysler dealership I worked at a few years ago. Folks with grand Cherokees with air suspension bitched their tires wore prematurely. They had their jeeps in "park mode" which lowered the truck and cambered out all 4 tires. I'd replace the tires and align the truck only to see them leave cambered out again. The detailers there belonged to a club with bagged CR-Vs and there wasn't a day I wasn't asked to diagnose a blown bald tire or cracked wheel.
In my opinion, little camber and little bit lower won’t hurt but -9 cambered out slammed Scraping every where type of builds that is too much. The point is to do a unique build that look attractive while maintaining the functionality of the car because trust me I don’t want to take 40 minutes just to get out of my drive way no I don’t have the patience for that and I’m destroying my car in the process big no. Most of these cars will end up in the junk yard unless if they do it right. However, we must respect everybody’s builds no matter what we think of it. They are their cars and they spending their money on them in the end of the day.
This has always been view, you wrote it better than I ever would have .🙌🏾
look attractive over function bruh
These guys didn’t seem to have much of a reason outside of social media.
For me personally, a slow cheap car is A-OK to ruin. Slam it. Having to actively drive, having to pay attention to the road for debris and potholes is fun in it’s own way. Similar to when I ride my motorcycle.
Plus imo they look nice when parked and in motion on a nice road.
the reason i personally have is that it looks way too good
The only “stance” I like is 2-3° of track stance
That's what an idiot kid say and said dam I can do that. Goes home and maxed out his camber to match the look.
There is a middle ground. You can still lower your car and run up to 3 degrees of camber without completely grinding your car subframe on the pavement... Set it up so you have 3-4 inches of functional clearance and then use your lip and sideskirts to make it look even lower.
That's my build. It's certainly preferred.
Yeah there's kits that seem designed just for that kind of build. Like BN Sports stuff
I own a stanced 16 FOST. I wanted it as low as it could possibly be while still being functional enough to daily. I had to camber the rear wheels -4.5 degrees so the tires wouldn't contact the fender.
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Another problem I have with stance cars (among many others) is it makes enthusiast cars that much more rare in the future. The people that stance these sought after cars now, ruin them for potential future buyers driving up the prices for enthusiast cars…
You can literally say this for any other car community lol
@@thegabe6389 yeah, these guys are just bs.
Its not like enthusiast cars will cease to exist LOL
This is such a silly take
ruin them my ass we make them look 100x better
"Even if you don't like stance cars, at least you can understand why someone would stance their car" .....NO
Being someone all about efficiency and performance, that was so painful to watch. To each his own, I know, but there are limits...
You have a FoRS as a profile pic. Obviously you care about neither. 😄
ur corny if u dont care about the looks
My experience the older i get(36now) i prefer more tire(less stretch) less camber and a drivable ride hight, now i get more enjoyment out of a good handeling car and a suspension that can do what it is designed for, things i look for now is are my lower control arms straight, do i need a roll center adjustment kit, added caster in the front, that kind of stuff.
stop getting older then
@@govauu Well i stopped getting older i'm reversing my age but i grew wiser and matured tho.
@@MrAudi220 u clearly didnt get wiser if u think stance is bad now
7:53 "It's not really ruining anything"
Your fenders would disagree lmao
fenders barely even ruined
It's pretty bad thing for you guys to "review". You have big race car enthusiasts base, so It's just common sense - lot's of dudes and gals will "hate" stance whatsoever. I love watching your videos and what you do with your cars, but I can't cringe enough about your opinions about stance culture.
because i like breaking my tailbone on a speedbump on a frame dragging civic at like 55 mph and turn my front mount radiator into a sidewalk mounted radiator at full speed
this doesnt happen
i was kidding if that wasnt obvious enough lmao
Stance cars were long before social media kid.
"I've been doing this since I was 16, and I'm 18 now".
Don't know why but this absolutely crippled me 😂
"Yeah, I've sheared off the bottom of my oil pan because of stance."
"You gonna do anything about it?"
"No."
That "We're not hurting anybody" argument is bullshit. You're hurting the car community as a whole by attracting negative attention from the general public. It's the same thing that people doing takeovers are doing, but on a smaller scale.
My only problem with stance is the amount of traffic it causes. Say no to stance.
It’s a “look at me” thing which is fine for kids. But I just hate what it does to the car. It tells me they’re more people who want to be noticed and don’t know all that much about driving dynamics.
It used to be difficult to see who were the IQ 20’s. This is actually a blessing incognito.
“It’s not dangerous if it’s done right” he says whilst his fender literally eats away his tyre which already has serious wear on one side.
I couldn’t stop shaking my head my entire video.
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@@govauu English please?
Can’t wait till the stance guys wake up this afternoon, take a bong rip, and start commenting 😂
im commenting rn except ive nevver drank or smoked or done any drugs soooo
Everybody likes a car that has good fitment and sits well, but it’s the over exaggeration of everything that makes them cringe
5.0 john on the big screen goin crazy
This video encapsulates why the stance community gets so much hate. There are no positive outcomes to stance, unless you're chasing clout. Other than that, you're eating through tires, wheels, fenders, suspension components, etc.
Thanks for the chuckle, @gearsandgasoline.
all for the looks, and id do it again a million times
Stance cars are all about seeking attention and getting noticed but all the owners never admit it they give the bullshit excuse of they are being unique
they are being unique, and it looks amazing
Stance has got to be the worst Automotive scene. It's unsafe, it looks like dogshit even with high dollar "builds" and while I get "you can do what you want because it's your car" you're cutting corners somewhere.
Like, even an Si with a drop and a set of wheels looks better than 90% of the stance scene
You guys should do squatted truck owners next it would be interesting to see what’s the hype around it
YES!!!
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yup, that rear squat fad sure is goofy.. leaf spring lowering blocks cost a lot less than decent drop spindles for the front to match, lots easier to install too!
(yee-haw!)
At least they have correct wheel alignment. ;)
WhistlinDiesel will line up to crush them all
Stance are the posers. Cost to pose. New tires every 8k miles.
Good work Luke, getting better and better👍
Younger generation are into stance, because it is the cheapest "mod culture" to enter, you literally buy any car and cut the springs, throw some ridiculous camber and pretty much that's it
I feel like stanced cars are just dominating most of the community! And that sucks, I been looking for a car club/group that are more on the "tuner" side of things and we can take road trips and all, but it seems impossible in NY. Everybody just stance their cars, and build them to park =/
New York has some really good roads though? There isn’t anyone finding backroads and doing touge runs?
@Christian Gotsch not publicly, that I know of. There's some nice back roads I go up to, pretty close by. Getting a crew together to mess around and hang out would be amazing. I used to go to meets to meet people but its mostly slammed cars lol 😆 maybe I'm doing it wrong
@@YeffRamos I doubt these types of groups are public. Sometimes it just takes you inviting people out. From my experience and talking to others, you may find a group of 10-20 people will only net 1-2 who want to go out every week for a cruise. Honestly I feel like if that's what it takes, that's what it takes. I've found more cruising groups by starting/ being a part of groups than asking around to find a group.
@@mrs_radrod I feel like most of those groups also tend to be an older crowd that you won't typically find sitting around in parking lots or at "car meets"
Stancing cars literally came about from drift culture in Japan, the extra camber and low profile helps swing it
I used to think it was cool in highschool then I did my first autocross and my cars have never been that low since haha
L autocross for changing you
When I first got into cars I really liked stance and thought a lot of cars even looked better stanced, as I've matured as an enthusiast I don't like it much anymore. That being said I don't think stance cars deserve hate, you don't need a logical explanation for why you like a stance car. You should be allowed to do what you want with your car. Spending thousands on a car is crazy already and seems dumb to the average person. Stance is just another level.
I remember making a sarcastic complement of a stance post in facebook. And there's a guy who got so mad at my comment he literally searched my facebook account to get back at me. So i did the same and saw he has a stanced purple honda civic fd and called it the barney ricer. He got even more mad and called his boyfriends to help him.
Stance can hurt people, when you blow out a tire on the highway cause you have 10% contact patch , or bust your oil pan and spill it all over the road, or cause a crash because your car can't drive normally, its Whack. All i got from this was broke boys like stance who can't afford track days, or drifting, or autox, rallyx, etc.
It's still stupid, -20 degrees literally allows you to use less than 10% of the tire, less grip on public roads, I don't need to say why it's dangerous. Drifting use a lot of camber because they have extreme angle kits, etc, it all works together, that crap is just dangrous. Got nothing against stance, extreme camber annoys me though.
bro most people do NOT do -20 bro thats next level
Once I seen the bumper mounted “splitter” I quit the video 😂
i low key love the look bc i respect it
I’m planning on finishing my build, taking it to a couple shows, then probably selling it on for a different car. Like they said. I’m not in it for the long run. I just wanna create what in my eyes is a piece of art. And leave it at that.
That focus has the splitter rods in the bumper 😂
They couldn't find a car that sits fender to lip all around either
Fenders are on the front. Quarters in the rear. People mess this up often I’m noticing.
Stance is the TidePod Challenge of the car enthusiast community
I totally understand now, why people stance their cars… Hey? Anybody seen my vape?
Lmao Ryan is still a kid, he's definitely going to outgrow this phase
Wasn’t going to watch this one until I saw it was a Luke video. Always watch the Luke videos.
Can't imagine spending that much money on breaking my car. Especially when you can buy some amazing coilovers for the same price.
Engineers of every car company spent a lot of resources making a car drive, ride safe and comfortably.
And then we have kids that ruin all of that using cheap bolt ons from ebay.
@@germaineliew2012 Not even that - if you want it to be unique and rad, there are third party engineers who let you start expanding capability in one area at the expense of some of that very safe set of engineering targets, which can add visual bling and performance in key areas... instead it's a performance downgrade to make it visually even more different
The white mk5 golf is what a lot of cars looked like before bodykits really took off in the 2000's here in the uk. As for the exsessive camber I'll never under stand it
Ya got enough black ice trees in that mustang?
this video reminds me to not take your other, better, videos for granted.
I had a stanced frs from 2014~2017 (the whole rocket bunny + rotiform combo). It was the most fun / expensive hobby I had and the one hobby that I enjoyed the most. Literally got compliments on the car once a day whether at a parking lot or stop signs/lights. I think I liked it mostly because of the way it looked but the pain of daily driving the car in Los Angeles was just painful. Broke the front bumper 6 times in 3 years, not to mention all the other problems and inconvenience that came with owning a lowered car. Looking back at it now that I'm 30 and no longer in to cars (have a stage 1 m235i, but mostly riding my motorcycle now) I think stance was just my way of trying to get attention from people to fulfill my need for the lack of attention that I got from my parents while I was growing up. Technically it was an expensive therapy for me lol.
It’s ugly as hell, and I feel most people think the same, but if they’re happy with it, good for em. It’s not my car. edit: i’m trying to be charitable but the damage to the vehicles is just so wildly stupid. ice cars are on their way out and they’re killing what’s left
Clout clowns really are just the most obnoxious people to listen to lmao.
man the fiesta st is sad because he actually has some decent mods on there but that stance takes away all the performance he added to it.
My car is useless and I dont know why I do this. - This video summarized haha.
It's like drugs.. You know you shouldn't do it but you see your friends do it and think I'll try it.. Some get out quick and move on to real car builds while others get sucked in and addicted 🤣
Much like me in gaming
Stance cars are done by young people who are low on funds and can't afford to properly modify the car and have no idea the damage that these modifications do. Every modifier is either currently at the point, or has been at that point in their car ownership. As much as I wince when I see a car like this, it's no different than other fads that have swept over car culture in the past.
yeah bro those shots at the indoor auto show of the R8, Aventador, 350z with the mirror-finished wheels and full custom wraps look so cheap and underfunded... smh lol
strong opinions that don't make sense are given in the comments of youtube videos by people who are low on critical thinking and social acceptance, who can't afford to take the time to think before they say things. Every dumbass is either currently at this point or has been at one point. As much as I wince when I read these comments, it's no different than facebook.
With especially the mustang guy though, why not just get bags? Its more expensive and maybe less “hardcore” than static but it’s probably cheaper than ruining your car amd you could always convert it back to stock and without it being all torn up and get some money out of it when your ready to sell
Good for them. Unsurprisingly, all the cars look atrocious and the whole thing makes me feel much better about my car still being stock.
People are scared to be different so they follow the trends to fit in.
I think some stanced cars look so cool visually, but it would drive me nuts owning and maintaining one. I have done minor mods to my Lexus IS SportCross where it does both look good visually and handles better than stock, but is still practical and comfortable to drive. Plus I don't have to keep shelling out money tinkering with it replacing damaged parts like the stance guys have to keep doing.
No way! John and Travis are real life homies , crazy to see them here!❤