Try the Tesla vision in the rain, it fails miserably,on thing the USS it is not affected by weather or lighting conditions but will not help for preventing hitting curves.
Tesla's Park Assist does not work in the rain. I acquired my Tesla Model Y at the end of December 2022. Unfortunately, I believed the promise that Tesla Vision would be superior to having ultrasonic sensors for features such as Park Assist. I finally received update version 2023.6.9 providing Park Assist . I was excited to finally have this feature that is pretty standard on most vehicles these days. Then it rained. My Model Y told me "Park Assist unavailable." What a disappointment!!!
The current cameras on the Model Y are not good enough for the Tesla Vision to work at night with low ambient light. Ideally, the car should have a combination of both Tesla Vision and USS but if we could only have one, I would choose the USS, as someone who currently only has Tesla Vision and not very happy with it.
Thank you for doing this test. To me, it shows how wrong Tesla was to remove all sensors. I live in an area with adverse weather most of the time in winter. Tesla Vision cannot defeat it. Fog, ice and snow are not friendly.
The new cameras are supposed to have a defrost feature and fog isnt really an issue you can watch videos where teslas have detected cars before people themselves did on the road.
Thank you for the test and overview. My USS Model 3 was also unable to see the curb. I hit the curb many times. Perhaps the Tesla Vision is a better option.
I think that USS are more accurate for most situations (progressive smooth line closing in) whereas Tesla Vision has wiggly spaghetti lines that often jump all around. It needs stability and more reliability, perhaps by averaging the calculations more often. I really do hope than Tesla will rapidly try to update its new method to make it appear at least on par with the USS which is not the case at the moment
Not as bad as I thought for a first 0.1 release. I thought vision would be terrible. I have no doubt vision will be far better for me in the end, even though I have USS now. Parking alongside a kerb, close as possible parallel to a wall, getting around a tight corner in a parking, are all things USS isn't great for but vision will be. Please post an update with identical tests each new vision release please!! I am dying to see the progress. Hopefully a lot before the decide to turn off my USS :-) Phillip.
The tesla vision will only work when the bumper has a camera in it AND the obstacles are clearly detected by the AI. If you have shadows, darkness, drawings or objects different from what the AI recognizes, you'll be in trouble. The USS measures precise and independent of what it is. On my Audi I had ZERO issues with my USS system, always flawless; with tesla vision I need to use MY VISION to not bump into something... before I could park with my eyes closed, with my new MY I have to have my eyes wide open.
"Not as bad" is definitely not the expectation I'd have for park assist, let a lone in a 40-50k car in 2023. This feature needs to be bulletproof, otherwise it's useless.
@@Vitalserum For a brand new technology and the very first release version, not bad is pretty good. Not all my gadgets are trained by a billion dollar artificial intelligence supercomputer. You go wait for your bulletproof or otherwise useless miracle. I'll be happy with something that is good enough that I don't scuff the rims of my wheels on the curb. Phillip.
@@philliptemple9841 No need to wait for a miracle, just use any car with USS and you have a fully working park assist. No idea why Tesla fanboys defend this objective downgrade.
The USS system doesn't have measurement on the sides right? With parallel parking, the big fear is curb rash given the size of Tesla wheets (especially performance wheels). Therefore vision system is better outside. But in the garage, I am getting all kinds of chimes pulling in and out of the spot because of the walls so it is annoying.
Thank you for this. I have a M3P 2023. Honestly I am having a helluva time parking at grocery store, etc. I wish I could see the curb. I guess ppl laugh at me getting in and out of the car to get the parking right...I honestly DO know how to drive. CDL Class A with endorsements so I am well versed in parking, it's really a bummer but I will get used to it, Thanks again. Bought car June 1, Does not even have 400 miles on it. LOL.
Without having watched the video I can guess the answer. It is USS. USS is better. I have vision. The experience is not amazing so far. Hopefully they can smooth out some rough edges, but I doubt they can get it as good as USS. EDIT: Now I've watched the video and yeah, a couple of remarks. You are right, there are pros and cons. I think honestly the best system would combine both methods. But these tests you are doing might not give the best idea of the difference. You are testing in an open area with perfect weather and visibility. That does work in favor of Tesla vision. It does not handle bad weather well, since rain for example will also obstruct the cameras much like dust or dirt could. Another thing to keep in mind is that the front of the car has a massive blind spot, since the front camera is not on the bumper like the rear camera. That means that on the front it is remembering what it saw while you were approaching to estimate the distance. That's not bad, but it can be a problem in some cases. A clear advantage is that it has a better chance of seeing curbs and detecting what is on the sides of the car, things that USS does not do well typically. As for my experience... I have seen the vision system just mess up terribly, as much as much backing up to a pole for example and it just pretending like it is not there, probably because it cannot always comprehend that it is an object instead of a marking on the ground without stereo vision. I'm not going to say that Vision is bad. The fact that it works as well as it does is impressive and I think there's still room to improve. But I don't think that it will do a better job than USS in more situations. Mostly because it does still rely on cameras which have blind spots and can have obstructed vision. Except for really cold weather, USS will also work pretty wel in most weather. If they add more and better camera's in HW4, there will probably be considerably improvements to be made for Vision Park Assist as well, but some issues may always be hard if not impossible to solve with just cameras. Like I said, I think combining both solutions would be able to overcome shortcomings of both systems, so I hope at some point they will bring back USS for new vehicles.
Going forward/ backwards the car's camera probably picks up the curb/wall and then uses wheel rotation in order to gauge the distance. This is why they want to know what wheels you are using when you switch tires.
You just have to think about how a person can still park well on sight. The more experienced the driver, the better he can park. Tesla Vision will do the same. As more people use it, the software will get better over time.
I like the Tesla Vision in my new 2023 Model Y for all the places that I do parking at. I also get about 20 inches from all the curbs or walls. 20 inches is adequate for me, I don't need to get 2 inches from any wall, much rather have plenty of leeway space when it says STOP. I have HW4 and the newer cameras, but no extra cameras or bumper camera. Never had USS sensors since the is my first model Y. Watching this video USS really didn't impress me on what it can do plus it wants us to stop "too close" for what I am used to. Why does it want us to stop 2 inches from the wall. Ridiculous. I will be more interested in what the Highland and Juniper models bring to parking assist when they come out. They should have more cameras and a good front bummper camera. So I will stick with Tesla Vision, I don't care what others think of it. It is adequate for what I do far as parking assist. Jesh!!!! I have been parking for over 50 years and have had no parking problems or incidents before these assists came out. You people make these out to be life and death situations if they don't work right. Bye!!!!
Is it a good time to buy MYLR? Have my delivery in 3-5 days. Very concerned about Tesla vision/ Parking assist. I'm consistently seeing videos where the distance calculated between the car and an obstacle ( wall/ bin/ cartons) is either very inaccurate or totally doesn't "see" an obstacle. Cars in this range all have ultra sonic sensors . Very frustrating that Tesla instead of providing quality is cutting corners a big way. Thoughts?
So USS and Tesla Vision are guides to help you park. If you “MUST” need these features to help you park, maybe the Tesla might not be a great car for you. But, how the car performs on the road, comfortable ride with the new comfort suspension, instant throttle and many more, totally makes up for it. Not sure if you saw my road trip video. I backing into a supercharger spot and it picked up the pole! So far it has been working well for me! Also check out my new video I released yesterday about likes and dislikes. That might help you make your decision Best of Luck and Catch you on the road!
@Garrick_ish - is there a way to tell in the software settings if a car uses USS vs. Vision? Or is the only way to tell if it uses a smooth line vs. squiggly line?
So the cars that I used in the video do not have both systems. The 2023 Model 3/Y do not have USS. Not sure if the older model 3/Y will be getting Tesla Vision. I hope that answers your question.
@@garrick_ish Thanks for the quick reply. I'm trying to find out if a used car I'm purchasing uses USS or uses Vision for parking and wondering how to tell. Does it say in settings or is the only way to tell is whether it displays smooth vs. squiggly lines?
The last experiment you stop at 14" inch was too close for comfort under Tesla vision. I like Tesla sensor for the extra buffer space between a wall or car.
I was okay. I've been driving for over 25 years. Learned how to drive on a big car without cameras and sensors in NYC. I am used to parking without the assistant of technology. To be honest, I ignore the beeping. its more for my wife =X LOL
As the are all 'Assist' systems (FSD and Enhanced Autopilot as well) none of them should ever be expected to take over. Good driving skills are still needed in every situation. The cameras do help though.
What about in the dirt like up north in the winter? What is your take? I have a X 2020 and plan to buy a X 2024, but this is a concern to me since FSD advise me often that my cameras are dirty even in not so bad conditions. Any thoughts?
Hey! Been loving the videos. Keep up the good work!! I suggest doing a video on Tesla Model 3 and Y license plate options. (Tesla Adhesive mount, Ebay alternatives/Amazon mounts, DIY options..etc). Cheap vs expensive Tesla license plate alternatives. .
All well and good in bright conditions with a clean car. You really need to do this after road trip when cameras get dirty. Add in bad weather and night time too, I’m sure Vision will be garbage when you need it most. I cancelled the MYP order as Teslremoved the USS one week before delivery. I’m still not convinced Tesla vision is that great from this video.
Thanks for the suggestion. Ill add it to my list! not sure if you saw my other video, here is me testing Vision during the rain. ruclips.net/video/Kq2a3vedQ4Y/видео.html
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I've seen soo many videos of ppl comparing USS to Vision and all of them are based on presentation and the way they present their videos, they're so bias to USS even though the video they've put out shows that vision is better .. has room for more growth and the possibility of making it better via Software upgrade is endless... why are ppl so in love with USS?
There are some reasons why people are in love with USS 1. For Content 2. FSD & Enhanced Auto Pilot Features 3. They feel that their cars are better because new Tesla's do not have USS There are cons to both but to be honest, I really don't care about USS or Vision, I use the camera's to guide me to park and Learned when to stop when pulling forward. There are countless posts on Reddit, TMC and Videos on people damaging their Tesla's when parking regardless of USS, Vision and Cameras. I think it comes down to Talent!
Other car manufacturers have birds' eye vision that can see everything on the ground to help you park in a tight spot for a few years now. Tesla should have copy that.
I also have a 2023 MY with tesla vision and it's HORRIBLE. Not bad, horrible. On the back is not too bad but if I stop when it tells, I'll be 50-60 cm away (which when parking it's far too distant); to the front it's like a blind man trying to predict distance, it varies from 70 - 80 cm away. Sometimes going forward it says stop and then that I still have 50 cm... lol About your doubts: ALL ALL USS systems and tesla vision measure at a knee level and not so low like you said! If course is measured the fence. The USS was precise, the other didn't
Oh wow the fact that tesla vision is this good on beta is mind blown to me 😮😮 imagine the official release of this and USS had been out for awhile and can't even detect curbs when parking 😳
@@sinigangpapi3379 I'm fairly certain that the bumper would not have hit those curbs at all. That is why the USS didn't alert about them. The camera angle was just deceiving. Already in 2013 I was 100% certain that my Golf is going to hit a curb while parking but my dad next to me who has been involved with designing such stuff as USS told me that it is 100% calibrated so that it know by millimeter where the bumper is. And alas, I parked my bumper over the curb and there was 2-3cm in between the bumper and the curb.
@@SampoSaarela It could've gone to the very tip of the bumper any further and it would've scraped for sure that's just common sense though the fact is that even uss cant see below the bumper so its only going to show you whats in front of it the sensors aren't recognizing the curbs as they didnt in the other tests the camera seen the curb perfectly but couldn't detect how far the wall was so it most likely has a safety feature that stops it 20 inches to prevent miscalculation all the time it is in beta after all they dont want the blame for people ripping their bumpers off.
The fundamental difference between USS and Camera based Vision, is the type of sensing. USS is physical, bounces off ultrasonic pulse, measures distance using doppler effect from the reflected pulse. When USS senses something, it is 💯 pct present. Not the same with Vision, you can create a Phantom fence using a 3d drawing, it will be recognized as a fence. Could be cool, but the idea is there can be false positives and very few false oops! negatives as well!. The sophisticated FSD computer training is supposed to reduce it to zero? theoretically. To avoid any false negatives, vision is going to err on the safe side, meaning more false positives. Also, any latency in cameras could affect the reaction time, much more than a simple USS(which pretty much returns a locally processed value). A combination of both will be the best option, with USS being more reliable, independent of lighting condition. If USS does not cover an area, vision could compensate it and make it better. Just some thoughts 💭
Tesla vision in its current version is pretty trash, the one downside is that USS can’t see low objects like that curb, but neither can vision, it’s just remembering where the curb is based on what it mapped out. Hopefully with updates vision can become better and maybe one day be superior to USS.
When reversing, it really doesn't matter either way. As long as the reversing camera has the edge of the rear bumper in view, you should be able to judge it in millimetres. I do this in my current Audi today. Warning tone goes continuous but I continue reversing till I can see my wife's car millimetres away. Never been a problem. My 2023 model Y is due at the end of the month and I'm more concerned with making maneuvers in confined spaces without USS and clipping the corners of the front bumpers. That is where I think Tesla Vision will be inadequate without a front-facing bumper camera.
You are correct. I have Tesla vision in my M3LR and the only way for the system to be the best it can is to have the camera in the front bumper and/or in the headlights which would solve everything and give us bird's eye view. I think it's coming but it sure is taking a long time.
Interesting test 🙂 the result shows vision is a little more careful and safe than the USS. I think they will optimize as they always do. Another question: where has your friend mounted the phone holder behind the screen? 🙂
It's not picking up the curb because the curb is not tall enough to affect the bumper. The USS are set like that on any car, to not beep if it goes safely under the bumper. So that is NOT a fail for the USS. ;)
What i feel people should take from this is how the cameras are actually holding up pretty well obviously weather conditions need to be tested more but i feel this is actually better than what alot of people expected this is updatable unlike the USS so this is just the beginning of tesla vision for it to have done as good as it did is impressive even if it stops you 20 inches away its just staying on the safe side most likely that can be improved through updates.
@@MindzEnt As i said this is updatable and also in BETA it will improve over time the more people test it in this video clearly it shows you the advantages and this is also a recent video with recent updates where as the videos ur talking about came out when the beta for vision came out.
@@MindzEnt Its currently not doing the best but its definitely not a fail. You have to do research and trust the process with these kind of things. The camera will be able to identify more and warn better than the USS if its that big of an issue for people then they dont need to get the car. The cameras will eventually be alot better than the USS. This video clearly shows the potential for vision only.
Thanks for the comment! I am preparing another Tesla Vision video which includes all different types of weather to see the strengths and weaknesses of Tesla Vision. Good luck on your new Tesla!
Helpful video, thanks. The vision system seems to be set with caution in mind, so it's overestimating. I'd prefer that than underestimating. So, I'll be using it as a secondary pair of eyes until I've learnt its strengths and weaknesses. My guess is that Tesla will draw user experience from the 000s(millions?) of cars with this installed and release an update.
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I hate to tell you this, but Tesla vision DOES NOT pick up any street curb. Or anything low. It's seeing the fence. Try a curb with nothing but grass, or a sidewalk, and you can see it (very sneaky of you to test a "curb" with a fence right behind it). Or just place a cone in front of it and you can see it cannot see it. It runs right over it. There a ton of other videos out showing this since tesla vision was enabled. It cannot even see a human standing, or trash can, directly in front or in back of it.
Been using Tesla Vision since I got the update. Works well with the curb. When pulling into a spot (not backing in) when it tells me to stop, I know I got 21 inches
Its a shame they removed the real sensors to save a couple bucks. I just wanted to buy a tesla model Y this year, but now they havnt got accurate sensors. And use inaccurate cameras lol. No way
To be honest, the cameras work well when parking. Sensors is just a guide letting you know how far you are, but USS cant detect anything on the ground like the curb!
@@garrick_ish still uss is better, because it knows the distance to an object. Now it's all about how the images are interpreted by the algorithm / ai. I am a software engineer myself and I would combine camera and sensor. Or use 3d image from above to park. Like most cars these days.
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Hopefully some law enforcement officer will find out that you are occupying 2 spots with 1 car and act accordingly, then you can explain to him how many 100s cars you have parked with permit and insurance while hes giving you an extra bill to pay everytime you do this
Part of the problem with full self driving or even highway self driving is that it is non anticipatory. Im always looking for a car to dart out in front of me and keep this in mind (of course i live in South Florida where many drivers drive insanely). I anticipate this based upon my experience. For example when I see a car darting in and out of lanes I keep that car in mind because he will do that to me. Well the FSD cars do not operate this way. I guess you would need substantive AI intervention in their programming even though its visual. And the consequences are that its only AFTER the car darts in that the FSD kicks in to do something. I would have been slowing down looking for that car to do exactly what he did to give myself a chance. This is still in the future and should be in the present.
most awfull thing is tesla vision for tesla Model Y. it dosent look there is a solution for bad weather conditions and night! have tesla company try this before the removing USS in the test area? too bad!!
To be fair Tesla is offering less for less, with all the price drops and all. I think Tesla has lost a lot of value as a practical car, but the performance models are cheap-ish muscle cars.
Don't think they lost value as a practical car. Ever since we got our Tesla, we have driven it a lot more than our 2 year old CX5. Probably more like a 95% to 5% ratio. It is more than practical and especially fun to drive, even with the Long Range. Already went on 2 Road Trips and another one next week.
@garrick_ish The lack of physical controls and lack of HUD makes Teslas feel a bit basic and obsolete. I still have a yesteryear model Y with USS which has decent resale but I'm switching out for a BMW iX1. The model Y is no fun as a daily, but I wouldn't rule out a cheap used model 3 performance in the future.
At 6:40 you seem to be embarrassed yourself by the large distance of the front bumper of your 2023 car to the wall despite the STOP sign. Why didn't you report it out loud? Furthermore, you focus on white painted curbs (i.e. in kind of a laboratory situation), but how about parallel parking, for instance? Your conclusion that outside garages Tesla Vision is superior, is not at all justified, in my view.
I won't buy the Tesla because I don't like Elon musk business tactics. As far as the system itshould utilize cameras and ultra sonic senors at the same time. That is the safest implementation of the system.
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Tesla should be implementing both USS and Vision at the same time for accuracy
I Agree!!!
Elon LIED people DIED
There you go trying to make sense.. can't do that in the car world....
@@EnergyTREyour comment made no sense
@@LoeNateDogg and my comment clearly went right over your head.
Try the Tesla vision in the rain, it fails miserably,on thing the USS it is not affected by weather or lighting conditions but will not help for preventing hitting curves.
Correct! I did a video in the rain. What a fail!
Tesla's Park Assist does not work in the rain.
I acquired my Tesla Model Y at the end of December 2022. Unfortunately, I believed the promise that Tesla Vision would be superior to having ultrasonic sensors for features such as Park Assist. I finally received update version 2023.6.9 providing Park Assist . I was excited to finally have this feature that is pretty standard on most vehicles these days. Then it rained. My Model Y told me "Park Assist unavailable." What a disappointment!!!
The current cameras on the Model Y are not good enough for the Tesla Vision to work at night with low ambient light. Ideally, the car should have a combination of both Tesla Vision and USS but if we could only have one, I would choose the USS, as someone who currently only has Tesla Vision and not very happy with it.
Thank you for doing this test. To me, it shows how wrong Tesla was to remove all sensors. I live in an area with adverse weather most of the time in winter. Tesla Vision cannot defeat it. Fog, ice and snow are not friendly.
Unltrasonics dont work in ice or snow or even water sometimes.
The new cameras are supposed to have a defrost feature and fog isnt really an issue you can watch videos where teslas have detected cars before people themselves did on the road.
Thank you for the test and overview. My USS Model 3 was also unable to see the curb. I hit the curb many times. Perhaps the Tesla Vision is a better option.
Possibly
Seems that the Camera system is better in real world applications because curbs are a problem for bumpers.
If one has correctly placed USS, they pick curbs as well.
One of the best videos on this yet!
Thank you!!
I think that USS are more accurate for most situations (progressive smooth line closing in) whereas Tesla Vision has wiggly spaghetti lines that often jump all around. It needs stability and more reliability, perhaps by averaging the calculations more often.
I really do hope than Tesla will rapidly try to update its new method to make it appear at least on par with the USS which is not the case at the moment
Yes. I can see updates coming soon with better improvements
Vision is really dangerous
At the end of the day, you got a 20%+ discount and a $7500 tax credit in place of USS 😂 💯
And the NJ EV rebate and no sales tax. I ain’t complaining!
Not everyone gets the credit
Not as bad as I thought for a first 0.1 release. I thought vision would be terrible. I have no doubt vision will be far better for me in the end, even though I have USS now. Parking alongside a kerb, close as possible parallel to a wall, getting around a tight corner in a parking, are all things USS isn't great for but vision will be.
Please post an update with identical tests each new vision release please!! I am dying to see the progress. Hopefully a lot before the decide to turn off my USS :-)
Phillip.
You got it!
The tesla vision will only work when the bumper has a camera in it AND the obstacles are clearly detected by the AI. If you have shadows, darkness, drawings or objects different from what the AI recognizes, you'll be in trouble.
The USS measures precise and independent of what it is. On my Audi I had ZERO issues with my USS system, always flawless; with tesla vision I need to use MY VISION to not bump into something... before I could park with my eyes closed, with my new MY I have to have my eyes wide open.
"Not as bad" is definitely not the expectation I'd have for park assist, let a lone in a 40-50k car in 2023. This feature needs to be bulletproof, otherwise it's useless.
@@Vitalserum For a brand new technology and the very first release version, not bad is pretty good. Not all my gadgets are trained by a billion dollar artificial intelligence supercomputer.
You go wait for your bulletproof or otherwise useless miracle. I'll be happy with something that is good enough that I don't scuff the rims of my wheels on the curb.
Phillip.
@@philliptemple9841 No need to wait for a miracle, just use any car with USS and you have a fully working park assist. No idea why Tesla fanboys defend this objective downgrade.
The USS system doesn't have measurement on the sides right? With parallel parking, the big fear is curb rash given the size of Tesla wheets (especially performance wheels). Therefore vision system is better outside. But in the garage, I am getting all kinds of chimes pulling in and out of the spot because of the walls so it is annoying.
Correct, the USS does not pick up the sides but you have the side cameras.
Looked like car car would clear the kerb, if so the USS was right to monitor the wall
So are you saying that you wouldn’t mind driving over curbs?
Thank you for this. I have a M3P 2023. Honestly I am having a helluva time parking at grocery store, etc. I wish I could see the curb. I guess ppl laugh at me getting in and out of the car to get the parking right...I honestly DO know how to drive. CDL Class A with endorsements so I am well versed in parking, it's really a bummer but I will get used to it, Thanks again. Bought car June 1, Does not even have 400 miles on it. LOL.
You are welcome! you should check out my latest Tesla Vision Video with Different scenarios!
Without having watched the video I can guess the answer. It is USS. USS is better. I have vision. The experience is not amazing so far. Hopefully they can smooth out some rough edges, but I doubt they can get it as good as USS.
EDIT: Now I've watched the video and yeah, a couple of remarks. You are right, there are pros and cons. I think honestly the best system would combine both methods. But these tests you are doing might not give the best idea of the difference. You are testing in an open area with perfect weather and visibility. That does work in favor of Tesla vision. It does not handle bad weather well, since rain for example will also obstruct the cameras much like dust or dirt could. Another thing to keep in mind is that the front of the car has a massive blind spot, since the front camera is not on the bumper like the rear camera. That means that on the front it is remembering what it saw while you were approaching to estimate the distance. That's not bad, but it can be a problem in some cases. A clear advantage is that it has a better chance of seeing curbs and detecting what is on the sides of the car, things that USS does not do well typically. As for my experience... I have seen the vision system just mess up terribly, as much as much backing up to a pole for example and it just pretending like it is not there, probably because it cannot always comprehend that it is an object instead of a marking on the ground without stereo vision. I'm not going to say that Vision is bad. The fact that it works as well as it does is impressive and I think there's still room to improve. But I don't think that it will do a better job than USS in more situations. Mostly because it does still rely on cameras which have blind spots and can have obstructed vision. Except for really cold weather, USS will also work pretty wel in most weather. If they add more and better camera's in HW4, there will probably be considerably improvements to be made for Vision Park Assist as well, but some issues may always be hard if not impossible to solve with just cameras. Like I said, I think combining both solutions would be able to overcome shortcomings of both systems, so I hope at some point they will bring back USS for new vehicles.
Totally agree! Unfortunately I am don’t have access to a USS Model Y all the time. I do plan on doing the test again in the dark and/or in the rain.
Going forward/ backwards the car's camera probably picks up the curb/wall and then uses wheel rotation in order to gauge the distance. This is why they want to know what wheels you are using when you switch tires.
You just have to think about how a person can still park well on sight. The more experienced the driver, the better he can park. Tesla Vision will do the same. As more people use it, the software will get better over time.
I like the Tesla Vision in my new 2023 Model Y for all the places that I do parking at. I also get about 20 inches from all the curbs or walls. 20 inches is adequate for me, I don't need to get 2 inches from any wall, much rather have plenty of leeway space when it says STOP.
I have HW4 and the newer cameras, but no extra cameras or bumper camera.
Never had USS sensors since the is my first model Y. Watching this video USS really didn't impress me on what it can do plus it wants us to stop "too close" for what I am used to. Why does it want us to stop 2 inches from the wall. Ridiculous.
I will be more interested in what the Highland and Juniper models bring to parking assist when they come out. They should have more cameras and a good front bummper camera.
So I will stick with Tesla Vision, I don't care what others think of it. It is adequate for what I do far as parking assist. Jesh!!!! I have been parking for over 50 years and have had no parking problems or incidents before these assists came out. You people make these out to be life and death situations if they don't work right.
Bye!!!!
Very fair & unbiased video. 👍🏾 most informative yet for me!
Glad it was helpful!
Is it a good time to buy MYLR? Have my delivery in 3-5 days. Very concerned about Tesla vision/ Parking assist. I'm consistently seeing videos where the distance calculated between the car and an obstacle ( wall/ bin/ cartons) is either very inaccurate or totally doesn't "see" an obstacle. Cars in this range all have ultra sonic sensors . Very frustrating that Tesla instead of providing quality is cutting corners a big way. Thoughts?
So USS and Tesla Vision are guides to help you park. If you “MUST” need these features to help you park, maybe the Tesla might not be a great car for you. But, how the car performs on the road, comfortable ride with the new comfort suspension, instant throttle and many more, totally makes up for it.
Not sure if you saw my road trip video. I backing into a supercharger spot and it picked up the pole! So far it has been working well for me!
Also check out my new video I released yesterday about likes and dislikes. That might help you make your decision
Best of Luck and Catch you on the road!
@Garrick_ish - is there a way to tell in the software settings if a car uses USS vs. Vision? Or is the only way to tell if it uses a smooth line vs. squiggly line?
So the cars that I used in the video do not have both systems. The 2023 Model 3/Y do not have USS. Not sure if the older model 3/Y will be getting Tesla Vision. I hope that answers your question.
@@garrick_ish Thanks for the quick reply. I'm trying to find out if a used car I'm purchasing uses USS or uses Vision for parking and wondering how to tell. Does it say in settings or is the only way to tell is whether it displays smooth vs. squiggly lines?
@nickkohn7645 Tesla Vision is only available on 2023 models. Any other year would be USS. I hope that helps!
The last experiment you stop at 14" inch was too close for comfort under Tesla vision. I like Tesla sensor for the extra buffer space between a wall or car.
I was okay. I've been driving for over 25 years. Learned how to drive on a big car without cameras and sensors in NYC. I am used to parking without the assistant of technology. To be honest, I ignore the beeping. its more for my wife =X LOL
A fireware update will not fix the front parking. Car needs at least one camera on the bumper.
How did you turn off reversing sound ?
You can’t. Since the car does not make any noises, it helps pedestrians know you are backing up
As the are all 'Assist' systems (FSD and Enhanced Autopilot as well) none of them should ever be expected to take over. Good driving skills are still needed in every situation. The cameras do help though.
Correct 👍
What about in the dirt like up north in the winter? What is your take? I have a X 2020 and plan to buy a X 2024, but this is a concern to me since FSD advise me often that my cameras are dirty even in not so bad conditions. Any thoughts?
Thanks for this clarification
My pleasure
Hey! Been loving the videos. Keep up the good work!! I suggest doing a video on Tesla Model 3 and Y license plate options. (Tesla Adhesive mount, Ebay alternatives/Amazon mounts, DIY options..etc). Cheap vs expensive Tesla license plate alternatives. .
Thanks for the comment!!! Great suggestion! I'll look into it!
I just got a update. But havent update it.. my tesla has uss will uss still work with this update?
Do not know. Maybe it would
All well and good in bright conditions with a clean car. You really need to do this after road trip when cameras get dirty. Add in bad weather and night time too, I’m sure Vision will be garbage when you need it most.
I cancelled the MYP order as Teslremoved the USS one week before delivery. I’m still not convinced Tesla vision is that great from this video.
I did a video in the rain. It worked at first to my surprising but then it stopped working. Regardless if it USS or Vision, they are both a guide.
@@garrick_ish as a 4+year Tesla owner there is loyalty, but USS are decades proven reliable. Tesla vision today is a petulant child
How about a test at night in poorly lit conditions. Does the Vision system work any worse in a poorly lit environment vs bright day light?
Thanks for the suggestion. Ill add it to my list! not sure if you saw my other video, here is me testing Vision during the rain. ruclips.net/video/Kq2a3vedQ4Y/видео.html
When you do the road trip, did you get any PPF installed?
100% just the front end! Learned my lesson on my last car
What is the ESR device attached to display?
That was in my friends car. Looks like he has one of these mounts that attaches to the rear of the screen and attached the ESR magsafe Phone mount
@@garrick_ish Thanks
What Tesla should had done is keep the Uss and add Tesla vision instead of taking uss and replacing it only vision.
does tesla uss still uses vision as well as use or just uss?
Some things they might not teach in drivers #education, like when road ,cold or wet ,oils come to surface ,and intersections or turns are great collectors of residue
This was a great test as it shows some benefits to the tesla vision over uss.
And vice versa!
I've seen soo many videos of ppl comparing USS to Vision and all of them are based on presentation and the way they present their videos, they're so bias to USS even though the video they've put out shows that vision is better .. has room for more growth and the possibility of making it better via Software upgrade is endless... why are ppl so in love with USS?
There are some reasons why people are in love with USS
1. For Content
2. FSD & Enhanced Auto Pilot Features
3. They feel that their cars are better because new Tesla's do not have USS
There are cons to both but to be honest, I really don't care about USS or Vision, I use the camera's to guide me to park and Learned when to stop when pulling forward.
There are countless posts on Reddit, TMC and Videos on people damaging their Tesla's when parking regardless of USS, Vision and Cameras. I think it comes down to Talent!
Just might have to add an after market camera and put it in the front of the tesla
I actually have one!
why not put a camera lower like somewhere in the front air intake?
I got a 18” distance to a wall warning. Got out to check and it was 36” 😂 Vision is not there yet
Other car manufacturers have birds' eye vision that can see everything on the ground to help you park in a tight spot for a few years now. Tesla should have copy that.
USS is definitely better. The cameras won’t perform well on raining/snowing days or even at night in my opinion.
Correct, it’s horrible in bad weather. One of my other videos was tested in the rain and in bad weather
Most of the Car parks don’t have 10% of the outdoor light you demo, and camera bases on amount of light.
Check out this Tesla Vision test in different lightings.
ruclips.net/video/PFT7mlJwiOQ/видео.html
Great video bud
Thanks 👍
Nice video!!! it was very well done!
Thank you very much!
I also have a 2023 MY with tesla vision and it's HORRIBLE. Not bad, horrible. On the back is not too bad but if I stop when it tells, I'll be 50-60 cm away (which when parking it's far too distant); to the front it's like a blind man trying to predict distance, it varies from 70 - 80 cm away. Sometimes going forward it says stop and then that I still have 50 cm... lol
About your doubts: ALL ALL USS systems and tesla vision measure at a knee level and not so low like you said! If course is measured the fence. The USS was precise, the other didn't
I wonder how well vision deals with small diameter sign posts. The ultrasonics can be terrible by not even noticing them.
I will give it a shot!
@@garrick_ish or bollards to the outside corners. Thanks for doing the tests for us!
I have USS on my tesla and it picks up curves with fence behind it every single time. I'm not sure why your friend USS isn't picking up this.
The problem is the camera can't see everything lower down, that's a major fail...
The cameras are probably fail in poor lighting conditions.....
Maine problem lane assistant doesn t work,blind spot nothing working
Oh wow the fact that tesla vision is this good on beta is mind blown to me 😮😮 imagine the official release of this and USS had been out for awhile and can't even detect curbs when parking 😳
Both curbs were low enough to fit below the car. Any car since 2010 has been able to discriminate a cerb that is low enough and a cerb that isn't.
@@SampoSaarela can you elaborate on that I don't know what you mean
@@sinigangpapi3379 I'm fairly certain that the bumper would not have hit those curbs at all. That is why the USS didn't alert about them. The camera angle was just deceiving.
Already in 2013 I was 100% certain that my Golf is going to hit a curb while parking but my dad next to me who has been involved with designing such stuff as USS told me that it is 100% calibrated so that it know by millimeter where the bumper is. And alas, I parked my bumper over the curb and there was 2-3cm in between the bumper and the curb.
@@SampoSaarela It could've gone to the very tip of the bumper any further and it would've scraped for sure that's just common sense though the fact is that even uss cant see below the bumper so its only going to show you whats in front of it the sensors aren't recognizing the curbs as they didnt in the other tests the camera seen the curb perfectly but couldn't detect how far the wall was so it most likely has a safety feature that stops it 20 inches to prevent miscalculation all the time it is in beta after all they dont want the blame for people ripping their bumpers off.
The fundamental difference between USS and Camera based Vision, is the type of sensing. USS is physical, bounces off ultrasonic pulse, measures distance using doppler effect from the reflected pulse. When USS senses something, it is 💯 pct present. Not the same with Vision, you can create a Phantom fence using a 3d drawing, it will be recognized as a fence. Could be cool, but the idea is there can be false positives and very few false oops! negatives as well!. The sophisticated FSD computer training is supposed to reduce it to zero? theoretically. To avoid any false negatives, vision is going to err on the safe side, meaning more false positives. Also, any latency in cameras could affect the reaction time, much more than a simple USS(which pretty much returns a locally processed value). A combination of both will be the best option, with USS being more reliable, independent of lighting condition. If USS does not cover an area, vision could compensate it and make it better. Just some thoughts 💭
Tesla vision in its current version is pretty trash, the one downside is that USS can’t see low objects like that curb, but neither can vision, it’s just remembering where the curb is based on what it mapped out. Hopefully with updates vision can become better and maybe one day be superior to USS.
Did you even watch the video? It is the USS, which seems to be "trash" in some situations.
5:10 drives through the brick and inside the house… Tesla says you still have a few inches left 😂
When reversing, it really doesn't matter either way. As long as the reversing camera has the edge of the rear bumper in view, you should be able to judge it in millimetres. I do this in my current Audi today. Warning tone goes continuous but I continue reversing till I can see my wife's car millimetres away. Never been a problem.
My 2023 model Y is due at the end of the month and I'm more concerned with making maneuvers in confined spaces without USS and clipping the corners of the front bumpers. That is where I think Tesla Vision will be inadequate without a front-facing bumper camera.
I don’t have sensors in my previous car and I live in a congested Northern NJ/NYC market and I don’t see it would be in a issue.
You are correct. I have Tesla vision in my M3LR and the only way for the system to be the best it can is to have the camera in the front bumper and/or in the headlights which would solve everything and give us bird's eye view. I think it's coming but it sure is taking a long time.
What did your parents do when they were your age? Find out and emulate....
Interesting test 🙂 the result shows vision is a little more careful and safe than the USS. I think they will optimize as they always do.
Another question: where has your friend mounted the phone holder behind the screen? 🙂
I believe it was the corner of the screen. Didn’t really look into it
Do these have collision avoidance? (auto braking)
Ultrasonic sensors all day long!!
It's not picking up the curb because the curb is not tall enough to affect the bumper. The USS are set like that on any car, to not beep if it goes safely under the bumper. So that is NOT a fail for the USS. ;)
What i feel people should take from this is how the cameras are actually holding up pretty well obviously weather conditions need to be tested more but i feel this is actually better than what alot of people expected this is updatable unlike the USS so this is just the beginning of tesla vision for it to have done as good as it did is impressive even if it stops you 20 inches away its just staying on the safe side most likely that can be improved through updates.
Wrong, alot of videos showing you have nothing in front even though you're lose to hitting a wall or another car.
@@MindzEnt As i said this is updatable and also in BETA it will improve over time the more people test it in this video clearly it shows you the advantages and this is also a recent video with recent updates where as the videos ur talking about came out when the beta for vision came out.
@@skullnbk5179 All i know is that currently it's a massive fail and customers should demand refunds.
@@MindzEnt Its currently not doing the best but its definitely not a fail. You have to do research and trust the process with these kind of things. The camera will be able to identify more and warn better than the USS if its that big of an issue for people then they dont need to get the car. The cameras will eventually be alot better than the USS. This video clearly shows the potential for vision only.
TeslaVision was actually great. The way people were talking bad about it I thought it was terrible. Thanks for this. Will be buying a 2023 model 3
Thanks for the comment! I am preparing another Tesla Vision video which includes all different types of weather to see the strengths and weaknesses of Tesla Vision. Good luck on your new Tesla!
Save time and just know we cannot go back "Vision is the way forward" there is no more ultra sonic support from Tesla....
Do it cloudy weather
I will!
Why not tesla Vision with USS?
Good question!
should be an option we can buy. Tesla wants to save costs but some people really like USS.
Try to do pedestrian test .
Helpful video, thanks. The vision system seems to be set with caution in mind, so it's overestimating. I'd prefer that than underestimating. So, I'll be using it as a secondary pair of eyes until I've learnt its strengths and weaknesses. My guess is that Tesla will draw user experience from the 000s(millions?) of cars with this installed and release an update.
Since they got rid of the radar, accidents involving Teslas and motorcycles and bicycles have jumped up. Not a good sign.
so true
This is what I really wanna know!
I think tesla vision will outperform uss in the future if tesla adds a front camera
Sadly a heap of people who already have cars will be annoyed as they will be missing a camera.
Just like how the camera based rain sensor after countless updates now outperforms all traditional rain sensors....... not.. 🤔
Has anyone done a similar test with model X ?
USS is certainly better. Hopefully they will bring the USS back or find a way to significantly improve the vision.
One might want to ask, when it comes to a man-made #aluminum road dust cloud which is better, maybe need both #Twitter #Tesla #elonmusk #EV #BatteryDay #DumpTruck #AI #confused
I decided to go with 2020 Tesla rather than the new Tesla.
Nice! Congrats! Let me know how it is!
I hate to tell you this, but Tesla vision DOES NOT pick up any street curb. Or anything low. It's seeing the fence. Try a curb with nothing but grass, or a sidewalk, and you can see it (very sneaky of you to test a "curb" with a fence right behind it). Or just place a cone in front of it and you can see it cannot see it. It runs right over it. There a ton of other videos out showing this since tesla vision was enabled. It cannot even see a human standing, or trash can, directly in front or in back of it.
Been using Tesla Vision since I got the update. Works well with the curb. When pulling into a spot (not backing in) when it tells me to stop, I know I got 21 inches
@@garrick_ish Same.
Its a shame they removed the real sensors to save a couple bucks. I just wanted to buy a tesla model Y this year, but now they havnt got accurate sensors. And use inaccurate cameras lol. No way
To be honest, the cameras work well when parking. Sensors is just a guide letting you know how far you are, but USS cant detect anything on the ground like the curb!
@@garrick_ish still uss is better, because it knows the distance to an object. Now it's all about how the images are interpreted by the algorithm / ai. I am a software engineer myself and I would combine camera and sensor. Or use 3d image from above to park. Like most cars these days.
I understand. We wish we had everything =/
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Road trips take it through Texas
Hopefully some law enforcement officer will find out that you are occupying 2 spots with 1 car and act accordingly, then you can explain to him how many 100s cars you have parked with permit and insurance while hes giving you an extra bill to pay everytime you do this
Very cool
Thanks
Having redundancy is better
No contest Tesla vision simply does not work
Part of the problem with full self driving or even highway self driving is that it is non anticipatory. Im always looking for a car to dart out in front of me and keep this in mind (of course i live in South Florida where many drivers drive insanely). I anticipate this based upon my experience. For example when I see a car darting in and out of lanes I keep that car in mind because he will do that to me. Well the FSD cars do not operate this way. I guess you would need substantive AI intervention in their programming even though its visual. And the consequences are that its only AFTER the car darts in that the FSD kicks in to do something. I would have been slowing down looking for that car to do exactly what he did to give myself a chance. This is still in the future and should be in the present.
Why the fk isn't it using both
most awfull thing is tesla vision for tesla Model Y. it dosent look there is a solution for bad weather conditions and night! have tesla company try this before the removing USS in the test area? too bad!!
I agree!
To be fair Tesla is offering less for less, with all the price drops and all. I think Tesla has lost a lot of value as a practical car, but the performance models are cheap-ish muscle cars.
Don't think they lost value as a practical car. Ever since we got our Tesla, we have driven it a lot more than our 2 year old CX5. Probably more like a 95% to 5% ratio. It is more than practical and especially fun to drive, even with the Long Range. Already went on 2 Road Trips and another one next week.
@garrick_ish The lack of physical controls and lack of HUD makes Teslas feel a bit basic and obsolete. I still have a yesteryear model Y with USS which has decent resale but I'm switching out for a BMW iX1. The model Y is no fun as a daily, but I wouldn't rule out a cheap used model 3 performance in the future.
The park assist is terrible. They should’ve just left the sensors instead of trying to save a buck
who could have guessed that uss is infinitely better
Yep not buying one until this is fixed with front camera or better coding.
USS is a must, Vision is not accurate.
I prefer Tesla Vision on my Y. Less distracting from bings and bongs of the sensors.
this test is kind of useless, best situation for Vision. Test Vision with a simple box on the street and night and it will fail hard.
Please redo your test at NIGHT.
On my agenda! Thanks
I dont’ hâve to Watch this vidéo for the answear: tesla vision instead of USS is a scam.
At 6:40 you seem to be embarrassed yourself by the large distance of the front bumper of your 2023 car to the wall despite the STOP sign. Why didn't you report it out loud? Furthermore, you focus on white painted curbs (i.e. in kind of a laboratory situation), but how about parallel parking, for instance? Your conclusion that outside garages Tesla Vision is superior, is not at all justified, in my view.
Thanks for the feedback. Curb was not painted, they are concrete just like majority of the curbs thats out in the public.
I won't buy the Tesla because I don't like Elon musk business tactics. As far as the system itshould utilize cameras and ultra sonic senors at the same time. That is the safest implementation of the system.
Anything specific you don’t like about Elon’s business tactics?
Tesla vision is junk. I wish i could get sensors on my 24 Y😢
Tesla Pission is poor customer experience