This really was an exceptional piece of work, Nick! A total mindblower, and right under our noses the whole time! The Beatles gear head in me will sleep just a little bit better tonight. I'm so glad I discovered your channel. I guess that was right under my nose the whole time too 🙂
I also seem to remember Gordon Waller telling me years ago that he had loaned his J-160E to John. But as far as I know, that only happened in the studio.
I love the story Tom petty told about how George was going to play on one of Tom’s albums and he sent George an email asking if he could bring his Getsch to the session. George sent back a photo of a room in his mansion filled with Gretsch guitars with the question “which one?”
Much appreciated, friend! As a complete Beatles freak myself, my goal is to highlight moments that surprise even the most die-hard fans. A lot of channels thrive on speculation and clickbait without presenting any *actual* evidence to back up their claims. I don't want to waste my audience's time! Besides, the most fun part is the research and detective work...being able to tell the know-it-alls a "thing or two" about the Liverpool lads is just an added bonus. 😉
@@NickMartellaro each time you post something new-this means “new raw facts” for me. Along with Gear, There and Everywhere guys-my favorite Beatle related channels. Oh how much time there was spent in my younger years, trying to figure out these guitar details…
Great video. I want you to check out a Gibson J160E that was given to Bob Dylan by John Lennon, later Dylan sold it to Stevie Ray Vaughn's guitar tech (I don't want to misspell his name) because he thought that it brought back bad vibes since Lennon has already Passed in 1980. I think the Manny's J160e and the one gifted to Dylan by Lennon are the same guitars because they both have the black (ceramic, rosewood???) saddle and the heavily figured tortoise pickguard and heavily figured mother of pearl inlay on the 5th fret.
This is probably the most interesting video you have ever done, and you've done many! While I don't agree with the guitar's importance , as it wasn't used to record any Beatle's track, it clearly was a loaner for that tour as you point out. Manny's was used by the Beatles for drums and now you 've made a new case about this guitar loaner. GREAT work, Awesome video!
Great video! It's also weird that John's wearing a different hat on the last song and when he's leaving the stage at the end of the video! It appears to be a policeman's hat with a badge and light colored band on it!
Supposedly a boy ran up to Lennon during one of the shows and grabbed the hat that he had been wearing during the tour and disappeared into the crowd. I wasn’t aware that John received a replacement hat, if only to finish the show. I agree that it looks like a security guard’s hat.
There is a FIFTH Beatles J-160E. PAUL HAD ONE! it seems to be a late 60s one and it's undercover of the songbook for RAM. It is also the guitar you see him playing in the footage of Paul and his family from his Scottish Farm in 1970. Look up the video for. "hey diddle" and "Big Bop"
Interesting story. It also shows why they wanted to stop touring..too much chaos. Mal Evans was a big tough guy, I believe he had been a bouncer. I think he' was sent to the music store to purchase instruments, as he wouldn't have been recognized. Also, a few years ago, Epiphone made replicas of these guitars, and I think one was a Lennon signature guitar.
The "Mannys" j160 is possibly on loan for a local gig?,or , more likely it is the property of the tour operator as part of their traveling stock of gear sometimes used by various artists on various tours. John owned 2 J160e guitar's, his first one bought in 1962 , went 'missing'at the end of the Finsbury park Christmas shows. However it is in fact very likely that it was George's j160e that disappeared, as, either by accident or design ?, John and George were very often playing eachothers guitar!. Either way, John got his second J160e in early 1964 and that is the same guitar that was stripped and repainted by the Avantgarde artists known as "The Fool" , in late 1967. The same guitar was then stripped back to it's natural Spruce finished wood with hand painted characters by John's own hand in 1969. The differences in the appearances of bridge's and pick guards were bought about by the stripping and re-finishing of the same guitar. Gibson never did, and surely never will fit 'plastic' bridges to their guitars!!. Saddles would be bleached bone , probably Buffalo.
Paul from Guitar Gear Connection has a great video on this, but a factory-fresh J-160E would have come with Gibson Sonomatic roundwound strings, and no photos of their J-160Es have the silk wraps on each end that indicate a flatwound string
09:46”ish”… there’s also the ‘telltale sign’ of the microphone swapped from the fretboard side of the sound hole to the saddle side, right? (my teeny tiny grain of sand 😂). But now seriously, a whole lot of investigation and a new mystery to rave about for months ❤
Should have known Manny’s was around that far back. In 1984 Manny himself sold me a Stratocaster - I was looking for the original headstock but said all he had were the 70’s versions, then asked if I would take it in an old Kramer case instead of a new Fender one (no). Anyway still have it.
I believe you are talking about Henry Goodrich who was Manny's son. Henry is best known for selling Jimi Hendrix most of his Starts and for letting Jimi in after hours to try out gear.
@@jtym6349 I doubt they would have bothered to change the pickguard unless they really had to (e.g. the replacement one on John's 2nd J-160E due to the original being removed when being painted). If it ain't broke...
Ringo actually had one and there was a photo of all 4 Beatles playing all 4 of their J-160E guitars. Yes, I know, Ringo could only play a few chords and didn't really play piano either.
That doesn't sound right. Paul never had one, and John's first one got stolen before he got the replacement, so how could they possibly have had four at once? Where can I see this photo?
@@mr_bassman6685 I found it! It's clearly a Gibson acoustic, but it's a bit hard for me to tell if it's a J-160E, although it probably is. Could be a J-45, I couldn't catch sight of a pickup. Either way this is cool, I had no idea! Cheers! Edit: oh it most likely is! I just caught a glimpse of the knobs right by his forearm. Interesting!
"Mer Zee" it's Pronounced "Mer Zee" after the Mersey(Mer Zee) River. Your NOT a Legit Beatles Fan if you don't know that. The proper pronunciation is in the Song by Gerry and the Pacemakers, "Ferry Cross the Mersey". Come On!!!!
Come on, they weren't their first really good guitars; have you played one? Not real impressive. George already had a Gretsch Jet and John already had at least one Ric.
At least with George, the J-160E would have been his first *brand new* American guitar, since he bought the Duo Jet second-hand and he hadn't bought the Rickenbacker 425 yet.
Somebody must locate that "loaner", it's a priceless bit of history.
Can't believe it took us this long to figure this out.
Who in the world might have won this lottery in actually owning this piece of history and not knowing it. Wow!
Outstanding work to both of you guys!
This really was an exceptional piece of work, Nick! A total mindblower, and right under our noses the whole time! The Beatles gear head in me will sleep just a little bit better tonight. I'm so glad I discovered your channel. I guess that was right under my nose the whole time too 🙂
I also seem to remember Gordon Waller telling me years ago that he had loaned his J-160E to John. But as far as I know, that only happened in the studio.
Gordon's had a ceramic saddle.
Another case of "It's been right in front of us the whole time!" Much thanks to you and Adam of the CSI: Beatles Unit!👍👍
I love the story Tom petty told about how George was going to play on one of Tom’s albums and he sent George an email asking if he could bring his Getsch to the session. George sent back a photo of a room in his mansion filled with Gretsch guitars with the question “which one?”
A Tale of 2 Dead Guys.
Nick, thanks so much for your channel! For me, being a complete beatles freak-this is such a great content! I enjoy it dearly!
Much appreciated, friend! As a complete Beatles freak myself, my goal is to highlight moments that surprise even the most die-hard fans. A lot of channels thrive on speculation and clickbait without presenting any *actual* evidence to back up their claims. I don't want to waste my audience's time! Besides, the most fun part is the research and detective work...being able to tell the know-it-alls a "thing or two" about the Liverpool lads is just an added bonus. 😉
@@NickMartellaro each time you post something new-this means “new raw facts” for me. Along with Gear, There and Everywhere guys-my favorite Beatle related channels. Oh how much time there was spent in my younger years, trying to figure out these guitar details…
@@Mopedisti Thanks again. "New raw facts." Means a lot to me. I'll make it my slogan if I ever run for office!
Excellent work Nick & Adam!!👍
Great video. I want you to check out a Gibson J160E that was given to Bob Dylan by John Lennon, later Dylan sold it to Stevie Ray Vaughn's guitar tech (I don't want to misspell his name) because he thought that it brought back bad vibes since Lennon has already Passed in 1980. I think the Manny's J160e and the one gifted to Dylan by Lennon are the same guitars because they both have the black (ceramic, rosewood???) saddle and the heavily figured tortoise pickguard and heavily figured mother of pearl inlay on the 5th fret.
I was at the Comiskey Park 1965 show. My first music concert. Martha and the Vandellas. Cannibal and the Headhunters. One more I can't remember.
This is probably the most interesting video you have ever done, and you've done many! While I don't agree with the guitar's importance , as it wasn't used to record any Beatle's track, it clearly was a loaner for that tour as you point out. Manny's was used by the Beatles for drums and now you 've made a new case about this guitar loaner. GREAT work, Awesome video!
This was an enjoyable watch. Well done and thank you. ✌️
I love this; the detective work and attention to detail is unparalleled
Nicely done!
Wow, didn’t know about this! Thanks for sharing!
Great video! It's also weird that John's wearing a different hat on the last song and when he's leaving the stage at the end of the video! It appears to be a policeman's hat with a badge and light colored band on it!
Supposedly a boy ran up to Lennon during one of the shows and grabbed the hat that he had been wearing during the tour and disappeared into the crowd. I wasn’t aware that John received a replacement hat, if only to finish the show. I agree that it looks like a security guard’s hat.
@@Timster2 Very cool! Thanks for the info!
@@timegoblin9789 You’re welcome! 👍🏻
Awesome video man
Excellent research!! Good for Adam and Nick!!! Cheers, M.
Nice work… looks conclusive to me: There was a fourth J160E.
Excellent!
Absolutely wild!!
Hi. Please make a video about the Martin D-28 on which the Beatles played
have wondered about this for years! I knew john played one with a wooden bridge saddle in america.
There is a FIFTH Beatles J-160E. PAUL HAD ONE! it seems to be a late 60s one and it's undercover of the songbook for RAM. It is also the guitar you see him playing in the footage of Paul and his family from his Scottish Farm in 1970. Look up the video for. "hey diddle" and "Big Bop"
See, this is the kind of research that I like to see. Amazing job uncovering this discovery.
Interesting story. It also shows why they wanted to stop touring..too much chaos. Mal Evans was a big tough guy, I believe he had been a bouncer. I think he' was sent to the music store to purchase instruments, as he wouldn't have been recognized. Also, a few years ago, Epiphone made replicas of these guitars, and I think one was a Lennon signature guitar.
Another thought ..
Andy is going to have to update his wonderful book again !!!
I also bet that Paul got his Epiphone Texan from Manny’s when John got the 2nd J-160e 😉
I can't believe ringo's guitar playing was so great!
The "Mannys" j160 is possibly on loan for a local gig?,or , more likely it is the property of the tour operator as part of their traveling stock of gear sometimes used by various artists on various tours. John owned 2 J160e guitar's, his first one bought in 1962 , went 'missing'at the end of the Finsbury park Christmas shows. However it is in fact very likely that it was George's j160e that disappeared, as, either by accident or design ?, John and George were very often playing eachothers guitar!. Either way, John got his second J160e in early 1964 and that is the same guitar that was stripped and repainted by the Avantgarde artists known as "The Fool" , in late 1967. The same guitar was then stripped back to it's natural Spruce finished wood with hand painted characters by John's own hand in 1969. The differences in the appearances of bridge's and pick guards were bought about by the stripping and re-finishing of the same guitar. Gibson never did, and surely never will fit 'plastic' bridges to their guitars!!. Saddles would be bleached bone , probably Buffalo.
Super interesting video!!
Great work Nick 👍
I hope with this video and the detailed shots of the pick guard this guitar could possibly be located
Great video doc on the Gibson J160E, I never understood which strings they used on the first albums, flatwound or roundwound
Paul from Guitar Gear Connection has a great video on this, but a factory-fresh J-160E would have come with Gibson Sonomatic roundwound strings, and no photos of their J-160Es have the silk wraps on each end that indicate a flatwound string
You have to wonder if John would've remembered that guitar today if he were alive. 👀
09:46”ish”… there’s also the ‘telltale sign’ of the microphone swapped from the fretboard side of the sound hole to the saddle side, right? (my teeny tiny grain of sand 😂). But now seriously, a whole lot of investigation and a new mystery to rave about for months ❤
Was the J 160E the Feedback guitar on I Feel Fine?
Yes
RIP Pete
Should have known Manny’s was around that far back. In 1984 Manny himself sold me a Stratocaster - I was looking for the original headstock but said all he had were the 70’s versions, then asked if I would take it in an old Kramer case instead of a new Fender one (no). Anyway still have it.
I believe you are talking about Henry Goodrich who was Manny's son. Henry is best known for selling Jimi Hendrix most of his Starts and for letting Jimi in after hours to try out gear.
Could be - thanks for the info.
The heavyset blonde sitting next to John is...Bettina. A holdover from their Hamburg days.
AWESOME BIT OF INFO
Hell yeah Fabulous 208
Maybe Lennon found the plastic bridge unacceptable and had it replaced.
That doesn't explain why the pickguard is different...
You convinced me...
Someone better ask Paul and Ringo before it's too late
They won't remember.
i feel bad for that poor girl at 11:30 :(
Forensic contribution to Beatles' guitar history.
12:10 I mean it’s a closeup so someone may find use in it
What about the J-160e that John gave Bob Dylan who then sold it after John’s murder in 1980. He claimed it gave off “Bad vibes”. Maybe this is it ?
Wonder if this 4th j160e is that very one?
That's a different guitar as well. It doesn't have the sticker on the back of the headstock and the pickguard is different
That's interesting. Didn't know he had given one to Dylan. Well, stickers can be removed and pickguard can be changed.
@@jtym6349 I doubt they would have bothered to change the pickguard unless they really had to (e.g. the replacement one on John's 2nd J-160E due to the original being removed when being painted). If it ain't broke...
I'd offer $40,000 for George's Red 1964 Rickenbacker Electric 12-String.
Ringo actually had one and there was a photo of all 4 Beatles playing all 4 of their J-160E guitars. Yes, I know, Ringo could only play a few chords and didn't really play piano either.
That doesn't sound right. Paul never had one, and John's first one got stolen before he got the replacement, so how could they possibly have had four at once? Where can I see this photo?
@@jsullivan2112 Paul *did* get one later on, at least-there's a video of him playing Bip Bop and Hey Diddle on it, outside with Linda and the kids.
@@mr_bassman6685 Oh that's interesting, and something I wasn't aware of. I'll have to dig into it some more. Thanks!
@@mr_bassman6685 I found it! It's clearly a Gibson acoustic, but it's a bit hard for me to tell if it's a J-160E, although it probably is. Could be a J-45, I couldn't catch sight of a pickup. Either way this is cool, I had no idea! Cheers!
Edit: oh it most likely is! I just caught a glimpse of the knobs right by his forearm. Interesting!
If a legit Lennon guitar gad been stolen, then how could anybody sell it?
"Mer Zee" it's Pronounced "Mer Zee" after the Mersey(Mer Zee) River. Your NOT a Legit Beatles Fan if you don't know that. The proper pronunciation is in the Song by Gerry and the Pacemakers, "Ferry Cross the Mersey". Come On!!!!
Come on, they weren't their first really good guitars; have you played one? Not real impressive. George already had a Gretsch Jet and John already had at least one Ric.
At least with George, the J-160E would have been his first *brand new* American guitar, since he bought the Duo Jet second-hand and he hadn't bought the Rickenbacker 425 yet.