Blue Mages are always so weird to me due to how weird some of the spells are. Some of them are like "Deals damage equal to half your HP divided by the rotation of the planets and if it's a Tuesday or not." and then the other half is just like "Here's a nuke and a max defense buff. Have fun."
Prelude to FFT calculator/arithmetician 😂. 4:30 toad boss shenanigans is as fun as Romeo’s ballad on omega. 5:25 not toggling off encounters in boost mode eh? 20:25 I saw that 😅 22:55 didn’t know about Odin instakilling rear for neo exdeath though my doom casted but didn’t go off in 30 seconds. Top middle can be hit with break so that’s a unique way to kill final boss. Assuming blue mage can’t petrify. Oh 23:03 missed for you too. Weird.
You right. I either forgot, or didn't know, that it deals extra damage to "desert" monsters. Good thing the fight ended up not being too bad regardless.
IMHO the following are all Blue Mages in other mainline games: FF6 - Strago's Lores are straight up FF5 blue magic, with the same learn mechanics FF7 - Enemy Skill Materia is this game's version of Blue Magic FF8 - Limited, but Quistis' limit break FF9 - Quina is this game's blue mage, but the power is gotten through eating rather than being hit by learnable spells
I'd agree that all of these are blue magic. Square really loved putting blue magic mechanics in the from ff5 through ff10(-x). They just also didn't have proper job classes for these games.
But IMHO Kimahri in FFX is kind of CRAP at least the OTHER party members can use them when ever they want to too bad MOST ATTACK lores in FF5 are crap in fact Ultima as a spell makes Grand Delta's Strago's FINAL ATTACK lore SUCK. since it does LESS damage then Ultima.
@@veghesther3204he is the weakest out of all of the FFX characters, but that's because of his placement on the sphere grid. He has to dip into another character's grid and will always be behind them in growth. Unless you specifically grind out the sphere grid to max all stats and learn all abilities for everyone, there's no real reason to use him as he will be the least effective party member. However, he is still a blue mage who's mechanics are essentially the same as Quistis' which is why he shouldn't have been left out of the list given by the OP.
Fun fact. If you tried the Atomos boss fight on the SNES using Time Slip, the game will check if Atomos is immune to Sleep and immune to Old, and will cause the spell to fail if it's immune to _either one_ of those statuses. Because it is immune to Old, Time Slip will straight up fail, regardless if it's susceptible to Sleep. I learned this the hard way when I was doing a Chaos Randomizer FJF run.
It's interesting how the ability to turn off encounters shifts the value of spells around. Rod-boosted Flamethrower has been my default attack pretty much as soon as I learn it, due to the cost efficiency. Contrast with 1000 Needles which is about the cost of tier 2 magic for half the damage. It's neat. I feel bad for Death Claw. Previous versions of FF5 would cause a spell to fail if even one of its ailments targeted an immunity. So by the time the second opportunity to learn it comes around it's mostly useless. Just like my precious little inept Remora.
Agreed. Skipping random encounters is very useful to prioritize more interesting parts of the games, but it definitely makes some spells/abilities in the game more or less important than they would be in a "normal" playthrough.
I have watched several people play ff2 and they all had issues with the final boss. They just kept selecting optimum for equip which does duel wielding. I specifically kept shields on and had no issues at all with the boss.
I had a friend make a "blue mage" for 3.5e, unfortunately she had no idea how to balance anything...and she was obsessed with ffx-2 and combined the gun mage and berserker. It was not great.
I'd definitely consider Enemy Skill materia blue magic. It's the same mechanic in all but name. I didn't consider FF7 because it doesn't really have a job class system (and you can't get 3 enemy skill materia until Forgotten capital. Which is a long time to not have a "full" party).
Same here. Until actually doing the run, I never realized how many bosses were vulnerable to some really powerful status effects that really helped with many boss fights.
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FF Tacitcs only Ramza + Monsters would be amazing too
Weird to justify using control while not justifying using rods or turning encounters off. I thought this would be a challenge run after being suggested the channel but its just like a casual do whatever run with no real rules...
I would check out the FFXIV Blue Mage. Not really something super video worthy (or it could be, depending on how you handle it). I think you'd have a good time with it.
FF10 was my first game in the series and technically my first experience with enemy skills, but 7 was a proper first time with enemy skill magic 1000 Needles and Bad Breath feel like the cornerstones of blue magic being a fun unorthodox class to mess with
You don't need white wind or any magic from control's use to beat the game with blue mages. But honestly it makes it far less of a pain later on so I get why you did it. Edit: wait, you didn't kill 4 of archeoavis's 5 forms with level 5 death? Bummer Wait. You know to half the level of greg and lv5 death him, but not with atomos? Ok this one you might not know. Level 2 old works on exdeath because he is level 66. For each atb bar fill that indicates time passing, a level is decreased on the target. So. Just cast level 2 old on exdeath and then level 5 death him nearly right after. You get Lv2 old in exdeath's castle if not from an enemy in the barrier tower if you wanna use control.
blue mage on FF V is basically how fast can you beat the game with ur eyes closed Im not joking when I say the only bad thing about blue mage in FF V is the way some off the spells are obtained like white wind
Gilgamesh's level in the fight is 31, but dark spark rounds down after it hits, leaving him at level 15. There are a couple bosses like this, where level 5 death can be used, but only after hitting with dark spark.
Correct and for others you need to them them UP TO LV 255 but Omega is in PERMANENT Auto reflect is if you LV IT up to lv 255 MIX/Chemist only you would need to Reflect LV 5 death on your OWN party to hit a lv 255 Omega WITH IT Shinryu doesn't have Auto reflect status.
@@veghesther3204 oh wow, I heard somebody mention that you can kill almost every boss in the game with level 5 death and level manipulation recently and I thought that was not true but I hadn't considered that you could level them up to 255. I am now happy I did not try to call them out since I would have been super wrong
In fact some bosses HAVE to be leveled up to lv 255 to kill them its NOT possible to LV DOWN Shinryu/Omega with Dark Spark to lv 5 death both BOTH X Death and its Neo form have to be lv 255 to lv 5 death them BUT Neo has like 5 targets needed to be at lv 255 so that lv 5 death kills them. BUT Omega is in permanent reflect mode LV 5 death is actually reflectable so you need to lv it up to lv 255 and reflect it off of your OWN party members to lv 5 death it.
Yeah, final fantasy can't seem to decide if aero should be white magic, black magic, blue magic, or enemy exclusive. It's probably one of the most inconsistent group of spells in the series.
I had so much trouble beating Garula as a kid and youre telling me its weak to Toad? Man, all that grinding, reclassing and sheer pain i wnt through as a kid......
If it makes you feel better, I didn't realize Garula could be afflicted with toad prior to doing this playthrough. There were a lot of bosses in this game vulnerable to statuses I didn't know about before this.
What number can you divide in half to make vulnerable to level 5 death? Every multiple of 5 doubled is still a multiple of 5. Sometimes a number can be a multiple of 5 and dividing it in half will make it no longer a multiple of 5, but there should never be a need to half a number to then make it a multiple of 5.
Dark spark rounds down. So Gilgamesh starts at level 31 and ends at level 15. Anytime dark spark is used for a boss it's to take advantage of rounding.
Loved your FF challenge runs! This is the kind I really love, incentivising using cool strategies and fun content in the game. Restrictive enough to uncover neat details that most people would never normally see, and not so restrictive that there's no strategy available. (Side note, soul cannon always does half your max HP. Which you probably know but just in case, it's one of the biggest roadblocks in FFV challenge runs imo when you don't have healing or high damage output, it's impossible to survive two rounds) The fact you can level 5 death bosses in FFV never gets old.
My favorite iteration of the Blue Mage was in FFXI. I didn't ever get one to max, but I really loved how you could set certain spells to gain certain stats. They had such a unique gameplay and customizability. Makes me nostalgic to think about.
An even more hilarious way to deal with Atomos is two-shotting him with a combo of dark spark and lv 5 death. I was so giddy when I did it the first time.
Wait isn't there a bluemage equivalent in basically every game? Bluemage in 5 Gau/strago in 6 Enemy materia in 7 Quistis in 8 Quina in 9 The Ronso in 10 Gun Mage in 10-2 Blue Mage in 11 Blue Mage in 14 (Don't know about 12,13 or 15. And 16 doesn't have any blue magic)
There are a lot of characters that are blue mages (or blue mage equivalents). Particularly in 7-10 (with blue mages also appearing in 10 and 14). For the purpose of this video, I was talking about blue mage as a specific class. Most other games in this range are excluded because they don't have classes (rather particular characters fill specific niches, or not.) And I don't really play the MMO games, and even if I did, I'd likely have excluded them as being very different experiences.
Thie is giving me great flashbacks to playing Bravely Default & Second (not 2) The jobs in those games were always so mechanically interesting and refreshing. And since new game+ let you start a new game with later game jobs. I spent a lot of time in my youth doing challenge runs where each of my characters could only use 1-4 jobs each. Or full party vampire or black mage runs
Its doable BUT the MAGIC side of the forking tower may counter BREAKING the rods as a PHYSICAL hit which forces that boss to use the Return Magic spell to Reset the battle but Aqualung and Aero 3 won't cause it to use return at all.
Mainline games with Blue Mage are 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 14. In addition to the Tactics Advance games, you also have Final Fantasy Explorers, Brave Exvius, and Strangers of Paradise. Bravely Default and Bravely Second also have Vampire and Catmancer respectively, which are slight variations on Blue Mage but still true to the general premise.
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Blue Mages are always so weird to me due to how weird some of the spells are. Some of them are like "Deals damage equal to half your HP divided by the rotation of the planets and if it's a Tuesday or not." and then the other half is just like "Here's a nuke and a max defense buff. Have fun."
Very much would you like to solve a differential equation or deal all the damage in the world to an enemy?
Don't forget about the handful that are "this does nothing unless the enemy is x, but we'll still take your mp and your turn"
Prelude to FFT calculator/arithmetician 😂. 4:30 toad boss shenanigans is as fun as Romeo’s ballad on omega.
5:25 not toggling off encounters in boost mode eh? 20:25 I saw that 😅
22:55 didn’t know about Odin instakilling rear for neo exdeath though my doom casted but didn’t go off in 30 seconds. Top middle can be hit with break so that’s a unique way to kill final boss. Assuming blue mage can’t petrify. Oh 23:03 missed for you too. Weird.
That's Oracle class haha
Aqua breath would have one shot the Sandworm boss
You right. I either forgot, or didn't know, that it deals extra damage to "desert" monsters. Good thing the fight ended up not being too bad regardless.
Quina is peak blue mage performance
“Is another Greg fight”
Me: Hildibrand? Is that you?
Ah, a fellow enlightened blue mage enjoyer.
Best job in FFV for sure.
Warrior is the true path 🙏 🙌
IMHO the following are all Blue Mages in other mainline games:
FF6 - Strago's Lores are straight up FF5 blue magic, with the same learn mechanics
FF7 - Enemy Skill Materia is this game's version of Blue Magic
FF8 - Limited, but Quistis' limit break
FF9 - Quina is this game's blue mage, but the power is gotten through eating rather than being hit by learnable spells
I'd agree that all of these are blue magic. Square really loved putting blue magic mechanics in the from ff5 through ff10(-x). They just also didn't have proper job classes for these games.
Don't forget Kimahri in FFX. Using his Lancet skill on enemies let's him use enemy skills with his Overdrive, similar to Quistis in FFVIII.
But IMHO Kimahri in FFX is kind of CRAP at least the OTHER party members can use them when ever they want to too bad MOST ATTACK lores in FF5 are crap in fact Ultima as a spell makes Grand Delta's Strago's FINAL ATTACK lore SUCK. since it does LESS damage then Ultima.
@@veghesther3204he is the weakest out of all of the FFX characters, but that's because of his placement on the sphere grid. He has to dip into another character's grid and will always be behind them in growth. Unless you specifically grind out the sphere grid to max all stats and learn all abilities for everyone, there's no real reason to use him as he will be the least effective party member. However, he is still a blue mage who's mechanics are essentially the same as Quistis' which is why he shouldn't have been left out of the list given by the OP.
isnt gao's transformations also kinda blue magic ish?
I’ll always be impressed how fleshed out blue magic is in FFV. Absolutely scuffed, but glorious
Main gauche + aegis shield + elven mantle = dodge everything
you don't need control.. just suffer the pain of having to try and charm them with the dancing dagger...
I mean, I could have done that. But... yeah, no.
Fun fact. If you tried the Atomos boss fight on the SNES using Time Slip, the game will check if Atomos is immune to Sleep and immune to Old, and will cause the spell to fail if it's immune to _either one_ of those statuses. Because it is immune to Old, Time Slip will straight up fail, regardless if it's susceptible to Sleep. I learned this the hard way when I was doing a Chaos Randomizer FJF run.
Blue Mages are prominently one of the FFXI Jobs.
Blue Mages are basically: Aight you hit me with your best shot, now can you take your best shot!
I think that's my favorite thing about them. What if I used your powers more effectively against YOU, than you do against me?
It's interesting how the ability to turn off encounters shifts the value of spells around. Rod-boosted Flamethrower has been my default attack pretty much as soon as I learn it, due to the cost efficiency. Contrast with 1000 Needles which is about the cost of tier 2 magic for half the damage. It's neat.
I feel bad for Death Claw. Previous versions of FF5 would cause a spell to fail if even one of its ailments targeted an immunity. So by the time the second opportunity to learn it comes around it's mostly useless. Just like my precious little inept Remora.
Agreed. Skipping random encounters is very useful to prioritize more interesting parts of the games, but it definitely makes some spells/abilities in the game more or less important than they would be in a "normal" playthrough.
I have watched several people play ff2 and they all had issues with the final boss. They just kept selecting optimum for equip which does duel wielding. I specifically kept shields on and had no issues at all with the boss.
"I'll stop spaming Elemental rods"
1000 Nedles Spam: Hi
1000 needles is really the mvp of this run. Being able to always deal 1000 damage to anything is incredibly useful.
About that the enemies on the way to the Earth Crystal almost NEVER USE it UNLESS you CONTROL/FORCE them to.
That's really more of a rod mage job than blue mage job challenge. Would be fun to see grinding and actually use their abilities to progress.
Kimahri is a blue mage! Well blue mage, mixed with dragoon, but still.
And Red mage because he has good HP,MP,magic and attack.
I had a friend make a "blue mage" for 3.5e, unfortunately she had no idea how to balance anything...and she was obsessed with ffx-2 and combined the gun mage and berserker. It was not great.
Would you consider Final Fantasy 7 using only Enenmy Skill materia to be a blue mage run?
I'd definitely consider Enemy Skill materia blue magic. It's the same mechanic in all but name. I didn't consider FF7 because it doesn't really have a job class system (and you can't get 3 enemy skill materia until Forgotten capital. Which is a long time to not have a "full" party).
@@Xephrost_Gaming Thats true. I didn't even think of that.
Yes but some still REQUIRE to FORCE enemies to use them IE can't learn Big Guard in FF5 WITHOUT forcing the said enemies to use it.
I did not know that the game rounds down when it comes to using dark spark. Really cool run, actually learned a lot here
Same here. Until actually doing the run, I never realized how many bosses were vulnerable to some really powerful status effects that really helped with many boss fights.
FF Tacitcs only Ramza + Monsters would be amazing too
That could be fun. And it would give me a good excuse to replay Tactics.
(Sad FFXI blu noises)
I really love this unique charm that pixel games have.
I feel like Mighty Guard was a secret spell they didn't expect people to know about unless they got really really lucky.
Then the internet came out.
🙄
Definitely. Sometimes power guides would include them but a lot of games had these secrets I assume devs didn't anticipate people to learn easily.
Weird to justify using control while not justifying using rods or turning encounters off. I thought this would be a challenge run after being suggested the channel but its just like a casual do whatever run with no real rules...
Blue mages can use rods. It's fair game. But I agree with random encounters and control.
I would check out the FFXIV Blue Mage. Not really something super video worthy (or it could be, depending on how you handle it). I think you'd have a good time with it.
FF10 was my first game in the series and technically my first experience with enemy skills, but 7 was a proper first time with enemy skill magic
1000 Needles and Bad Breath feel like the cornerstones of blue magic being a fun unorthodox class to mess with
You don't need white wind or any magic from control's use to beat the game with blue mages.
But honestly it makes it far less of a pain later on so I get why you did it.
Edit: wait, you didn't kill 4 of archeoavis's 5 forms with level 5 death? Bummer
Wait. You know to half the level of greg and lv5 death him, but not with atomos?
Ok this one you might not know.
Level 2 old works on exdeath because he is level 66. For each atb bar fill that indicates time passing, a level is decreased on the target.
So. Just cast level 2 old on exdeath and then level 5 death him nearly right after. You get Lv2 old in exdeath's castle if not from an enemy in the barrier tower if you wanna use control.
blue mage on FF V is basically how fast can you beat the game with ur eyes closed Im not joking when I say the only bad thing about blue mage in FF V is the way some off the spells are obtained like white wind
Yeah, it's clear blue mage is balanced based on the added work of acquiring blue magic. But once acquired there is nothing balance about them. lol
Blue mages are in 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10. Probably in 11 and 14 too; I haven't played those. 5 and 7 did them best imo.
Please do more FFV challenges! And also FFVI no esper run + FFVI CEZ
GOATED FF
Funny enough I’m the opposite. I have steadfastly refused to ever engage with the blue magic system in any FF. Yeah even FF6
Surely if "Gregg" is vulnerable to LV5 Death after Dark Spark he would have been vulnerable to it before hand as well?
Gilgamesh's level in the fight is 31, but dark spark rounds down after it hits, leaving him at level 15. There are a couple bosses like this, where level 5 death can be used, but only after hitting with dark spark.
Correct and for others you need to them them UP TO LV 255 but Omega is in PERMANENT Auto reflect is if you LV IT up to lv 255 MIX/Chemist only you would need to Reflect LV 5 death on your OWN party to hit a lv 255 Omega WITH IT Shinryu doesn't have Auto reflect status.
@@veghesther3204 oh wow, I heard somebody mention that you can kill almost every boss in the game with level 5 death and level manipulation recently and I thought that was not true but I hadn't considered that you could level them up to 255. I am now happy I did not try to call them out since I would have been super wrong
In fact some bosses HAVE to be leveled up to lv 255 to kill them its NOT possible to LV DOWN Shinryu/Omega with Dark Spark to lv 5 death both BOTH X Death and its Neo form have to be lv 255 to lv 5 death them BUT Neo has like 5 targets needed to be at lv 255 so that lv 5 death kills them.
BUT Omega is in permanent reflect mode LV 5 death is actually reflectable so you need to lv it up to lv 255 and reflect it off of your OWN party members to lv 5 death it.
Blue Mage goes from awkward to absolutely nuts.
I know for sure that ff8 and ff10 both have blue mages
7,8,9,10,and 7 rebirth have blue mages
Really strange how in ff7 enemies can do aero magic yet you cant learn it
Yeah, final fantasy can't seem to decide if aero should be white magic, black magic, blue magic, or enemy exclusive. It's probably one of the most inconsistent group of spells in the series.
I had so much trouble beating Garula as a kid and youre telling me its weak to Toad? Man, all that grinding, reclassing and sheer pain i wnt through as a kid......
If it makes you feel better, I didn't realize Garula could be afflicted with toad prior to doing this playthrough. There were a lot of bosses in this game vulnerable to statuses I didn't know about before this.
@@Xephrost_Gaming yeah, it's just so weird seeing FF bosses vulnerable to a lot of status effects
Subbed the moment you said Greg.
love it! what's the soundtrack you've used in this video at 9:10?
That is the sunken shrine music from the FF1 pixel remaster. I should start noting music in the description.
@@Xephrost_Gaming thanks so much!
What number can you divide in half to make vulnerable to level 5 death? Every multiple of 5 doubled is still a multiple of 5. Sometimes a number can be a multiple of 5 and dividing it in half will make it no longer a multiple of 5, but there should never be a need to half a number to then make it a multiple of 5.
Dark spark rounds down. So Gilgamesh starts at level 31 and ends at level 15. Anytime dark spark is used for a boss it's to take advantage of rounding.
@@Xephrost_Gaming nice, that makes sense
Loved your FF challenge runs! This is the kind I really love, incentivising using cool strategies and fun content in the game. Restrictive enough to uncover neat details that most people would never normally see, and not so restrictive that there's no strategy available.
(Side note, soul cannon always does half your max HP. Which you probably know but just in case, it's one of the biggest roadblocks in FFV challenge runs imo when you don't have healing or high damage output, it's impossible to survive two rounds)
The fact you can level 5 death bosses in FFV never gets old.
My favorite iteration of the Blue Mage was in FFXI. I didn't ever get one to max, but I really loved how you could set certain spells to gain certain stats. They had such a unique gameplay and customizability. Makes me nostalgic to think about.
Shouldn't you just keep your party in the back row full time and never use physical attacks, just Goblin Punch? It's free real estate.
Exdeath: I will use my most powerful skills to defeat you
Blue Mage: Deflects using shield
Exdeath: * suprised Pikachu face *
This is a really cute video!
An even more hilarious way to deal with Atomos is two-shotting him with a combo of dark spark and lv 5 death.
I was so giddy when I did it the first time.
Wait isn't there a bluemage equivalent in basically every game?
Bluemage in 5
Gau/strago in 6
Enemy materia in 7
Quistis in 8
Quina in 9
The Ronso in 10
Gun Mage in 10-2
Blue Mage in 11
Blue Mage in 14
(Don't know about 12,13 or 15. And 16 doesn't have any blue magic)
There are a lot of characters that are blue mages (or blue mage equivalents). Particularly in 7-10 (with blue mages also appearing in 10 and 14). For the purpose of this video, I was talking about blue mage as a specific class. Most other games in this range are excluded because they don't have classes (rather particular characters fill specific niches, or not.) And I don't really play the MMO games, and even if I did, I'd likely have excluded them as being very different experiences.
You should try beating dungeons and bosses as a blue mage in ff14
Thanks for reminding me to play the Tactics Advance series again.
This was so awesome to watch. Had alot of fun seeing some of the spells I have never seen before.
Gilgamesh, not Greg.
Both works
@@leargamma4912 No. Gilgamesh is the proper name.
Thie is giving me great flashbacks to playing Bravely Default & Second (not 2)
The jobs in those games were always so mechanically interesting and refreshing. And since new game+ let you start a new game with later game jobs.
I spent a lot of time in my youth doing challenge runs where each of my characters could only use 1-4 jobs each. Or full party vampire or black mage runs
I feel like elemental rod usage defeats the purpose of a blue mage run. No shade. Just my thoughts.
Its doable BUT the MAGIC side of the forking tower may counter BREAKING the rods as a PHYSICAL hit which forces that boss to use the Return Magic spell to Reset the battle but Aqualung and Aero 3 won't cause it to use return at all.
Blue mages can use those tools just like other jobs. I would be offended if it wasn't used at least once
Whitewind breaks this game so much
It's just so good all the time.
Blue Mage for the win! 🥰
They are the best.
Mainline games with Blue Mage are 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 14. In addition to the Tactics Advance games, you also have Final Fantasy Explorers, Brave Exvius, and Strangers of Paradise. Bravely Default and Bravely Second also have Vampire and Catmancer respectively, which are slight variations on Blue Mage but still true to the general premise.
Forgor Omega and Shinryu 😭😭😭
optional superbosses.
Why is FF5's Melusine hotter than FF15's?
Probably because they could get away with a more revealing design in a static 2d sprite versus a high res 3d model.