Does JAMES GUNN Think There Are Too Many Superhero Movies Being Made?!?
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James Gunn (Co-CEO of DC Studios) returns to the pod this week to talk about his takeover of the new DC content slate, the differences between DC and Marvel, and all the pressure that comes with creating a new Superman film. James goes back and discusses the impact that creating Guardians of the Galaxy had on his career and how ‘allowing himself to give a s***’ was a large catalyst to its success. We also talk about embarrassing Chris Pratt moments, whether or not there are too many superhero films, and the future of Superman’s bald headed villain.
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We aren't tired of superhero movies, we are tired of mediocre movies.
I am tired of superhero movies
I’ve been tired of them , you say we like you speak for everyone
Nah I think we're tired of superhero movies.
Me personally just want them to slow down its hard to keep up with 5 superhero movies each year
I'm tired of the so called fans trying to destroy the genre. Just because something isn't made with you in mind specifically doesn't mean it's for nobody. I prefer liquor to beer I'm not trying to stop beer production with constant hate, and trolling.
Phases 2 and 3 of the MCU were so heralded because of the pure variety of genres and tones. Nothing felt fresher than going from a thriller-like Winter Soldier to a goofy space opera like Guardians, but they both kept heart and had plenty of emotional moments directly tied into the characters. And Guardians continued to evolve further by getting more mature in themes as the films went on, instead of something like Love and Thunder that just tried to strike lightning twice with what worked in Ragnarok. I am very optimistic about the future of the DCU with Gunn at the helm because he is coming out and saying “we’re gonna make sure we mix it up and take our time,” which is exactly where Marvel has been struggling as of late.
I don’t think variety is a problem Marvel has especially when it comes to all the D+ shows, but the glutton of content might be daunting for more casual fans.
@@KentaObscuro Casual fan is an oxymoron.
Ur wrong phase 4 and 5 took many risks with tons of different genres and tones. Eternals is nothing like love and thunder which is nothing like loki which is nothing like mom which is nothing like ms marvel which is nothing like she hulk etc etc etc they did a bunch of different things
i think it just comes down to terrible films. you praise ragnarok like so many others, but i thought that movies was one of the first signs the mcu was in serious trouble. ragarok took a couple of major marvel storylines and sloppily meshed them into one film, all while being marred in comedy. when that film came out and was universally praised, i knew mcu was doomed. when fans praise dogshit, the studios will gladly feed you more of it. when the praise of dogshit drowns out the critics, does the critics even matter? but to be completely honest, the first signs of trouble was age of ultron. notice how marvel seems to be trying to get their shit together now that enough people have finally realized they have been shoveling dogshit down our throats for years.
@@saeres9288 You not liking Ragnarok is your failing. Neither of those are major stories and the movie is much better than both of them.
"i knew mcu was doomed. "
Oh really? You know something that isn't true? That's called a delusion.
I love to see the passion and dedication James Gunn has for comic book characters and their stories. It is nice to know DC is in the capable hands of an actual comic book enthusiast who grew up wanting to make comic books and is making movies because he loves to tell the character stories the best he can and not just make money. We need more directors like him. His vision reminds me of what Kevin Feige and Jon Favreau did before Disney ruined everything.
That was funny...
Favreau is ruining SW.
@@kurtstergar1042nah you don’t believe that
@diosnelfrica590 then you haven't seen any current SW. Andor is OK but that's all.
He nailed it. When people are passionate about the characters they're working on and the story they're telling, the difference shows. Things that are just being made to be made are the literal definition of filler.
The Flash just bombed hard after Gunn called it the greatest film of the genre 😂
@@DABA2024 It's because of Ezra Miller shenanigans. If it's not for him, the movie would have done well.
@@duerf5826 i actually agree the movie was a huge turn off because of ezra
@@duerf5826 I think a little bit of it has to do with DC being an unreliable product too, at this point. I think the repeated shakeups have left audiences more confused than interested.
Kinda like how Jon saved Star Wars only for Kathleen to throw all of his hard work and good will away in the Madalorian season 3
Michael is very good in all of these interviews, and I really like that he's branched out from his CW friends.
He really is. He does a nice job.
No disrespect to Snyder personally, but the difference between him and Gunn is night and day when it comes to passion for the source material.
I get the impression that Snyder really likes action films, Gunn actually likes comics and the characters associated
the question marvel needs to ask when dealing with a new movie or show is “ Why do we need to tell this story?”
They ARE asking that. It's just that the only answer they can muster is "to make money". The answer needs to get better before the stories can get better.
@therightclique Wrong. The answer is to push "THE MESSAGE."
And right now they aren't even making much money. AntMan lost money recently and they're going to struggle to bring in the usual audience for the coming releases. Even the drones who usually march to the theater for 'new marvel movie' are losing some interest.
@@mr.awesome6011 delusional.
A questioned that DC can be asked as well
The problem with Marvel is they chose subjects that should have really high stakes and we should be at the edge of our seat because we fear what could happen, but in all their films, they end so predictably that there's no point where you think something bad could happen
The worst thing about Marvel movies is the first half is usually good and the villains are always incredibly generic and forgettable, with a few exceptions of course. Compared to DC, well the good stuff like Nolan and that one Joker movie, the villains are the heart of the movies.
Which is why Ant-Man and The Wasp Quantumania was a complete blunder
They just making a save movie tbh
Guardians of the Galaxy 3 killed it. Great villain. Great plot. If other people don't like it, oh well. They ain't going to get it right everytime. But when they get it right, THEY GET IT RIGHT.
Problem with Marvel is they are making a DISNEY movie…it HAS to appeal to kids and not be too scary or get too dark, unlike DC being under WB. THAT is why the MCU “dominated” when in reality it just applied to a wider audience and sold more merch with kids
A great movie can happen in a convenience store as easily as it can across a whole multiverse; it’s all dependent upon whether you can care about the characters in the movie.
Thomas Jane's The Punisher: Dirty Laundry Video is a good example of that
Movies are weird like that. I loved war of the worlds the first few times i saw it in my living room. Then randomly a decade later i saw it while on a plane and it was even more enthralling, despite it being like a 10 by 8 screen lol. Was amazing.
Very well said
Combine the two and you'll get "Everything Everywhere all at Clerks".
This Gunn guy gets it. He should make superhero movies
Good ones anyway.
@@maximusprime3459 He hasn't made one yet...
Box office/financial success does NOT denote quality filmmaking.
It just means sheeple consume...
@@thisisnotachannelyou're a snyderturd tf you know about good movies
James Gunn wrote and directed Guardians of the Galaxy Trilogy which was pretty good! He's working on the new Superman: Legacy movie now for next year.
@@thisisnotachannel no one wants you around
The problem is not the amount of superhero projects per year, the quality is! in 2017 we had 5 superhero movies and nobody complained we were happy (except for Justice League... ). You have to also understand that in Superhero movies Visual effects are very important and if 80% looks like PS2 game, well we don't wanna see that.
Across the Spider-Verse is phenomenal. Yes, it still had Easter Eggs and multiverse stakes, but the core of it is Miles and his parents and Gwen and her father. Their character developments are so good and the movie felt different enough from the rest of the multiverse things coming out lately. Quantomania, Black Adam, and Multiverse of Madness (I guess that's what James was referencing haha) felt underdeveloped and rushed just to make it.
That cartoon sucks.
Across was worse than the original. Not even going to bother entertaining a never-ending Internet debate, but that movie has some serious issues. And with the modern day hype culture, it's not worth entertaining a discussion until the honeymoon phase dies down.
@@Naruxos07agreed. Moot point. You ain’t getting anywhere w this lack of an argument💀 movie had but mere minor flaws
@@Naruxos07you seem insufferable
The problem isn’t Super Hero films in general. The real issue is there’s too many poorly written ones being created by Hollywood.
Wouldn’t it be more interesting if they stopped making superhero’s. Take the money they would spend and make more movies, spanning more genres, and much more varied diverse stories, casts, and points of view. Whether it’s comedies, horrors, film noir, westerns, drama, blaxploitation, rom coms, historical, biopics, big stories and small stories?
@@totallybored5526 They already do make them, people don't pay for those.
The whole point of superheo movies is to give the simple people something to watch, they were never meant to be good.
Literally what Gunn said.
@@totallybored5526 I agree everyone wants to watch MI7 and Wick ,but (not saying these were cinematic masterpieces ) no one was interested in cocain bear, bullet train, reinfield just to name a few smaller films I watched and more importantly had fun
I defienetly agree. There shouldn't be a term superhero movie genre, it should branch out like James Gunn mentioned. A slayer horror movie with superheroes in it, a drama movie with superheroes in it, an action thriller with superheroes in it. I think the reason why The Batman, Joker, GOTG 3 and ATSV are special movies is because they feel different. Everyone rooted for Batman, Joker, Star Lord or Spiderman is because we feel and root for these characters to succsessfully come on top of the obstacles.
Lmao tryna sneak in GOTG 3 & Star Lord into the conversation with those 3 masterpieces 🤣
That's why Winter Soldier is still the best Marvel film. It felt like a Spy thriller a bit.
@@PermanentHigh the action was pretty good too
That's not the reason why you root for those characters. You people are like addicts all you care about is information and move on to the next one
People never care about the positive of things they cling to negative ideas
yeah i totally want to see teletubbies where the punisher is the main character, giving the kids some gymnastic lessons.
using the known characters and trying to sugarcoat them so that they stand in for actual original and interesting characters and stories is so corporate thinking. its like why invent the terminator when we could have just used an evil iron man. why invent the godfather when we could just make penguin and black mask fight each other. its like when a known superstar actor us hired to be an ad about a thing he doesnt know jack shit about and pretends he does.
superheroes are a genre. if you put superhero characters into adam sandler movies to just fall down the stairs and dress as transvestites you dont get it. if you dont actually want to use the character then dont use him.
James Gunn understands that Comic Book properties don’t end at superhero movies.
They span every genre - every sequel is an oppprtunity to stretch the storytelling - into different and fresh genres -
And just like comics - you engage readers & viewers alike by keeping things fresh, taking chances, and not falling back on the formulaic
Someone drank the Kool-Aid. Gunn is an empty suit and did nothing to earn being in control of the DCU...the man made one single good movie and its 2 sequels were made to set up other movies, made by other people. His push to try to make Peacekeeper popular shows he needs to be removed ASAP before he bankrupts Warner Brothers.
@@thomasjones4570 His one single good movie is Slither.
@@JustinLesamizScooby-Doo is a masterpiece
@@JustinLesamiz As much as I like Filion, that movie was terrible.
@@thomasjones4570 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I think superhero/comic book movies need to try different genres to stay alive. Which to give them credit they are doing they just need to do more of it. Like with Swamp thing over at Dc, that movie is going to be a horror movie. Marvels secret invasion looks more like a thriller than a superhero movie. Stuff like that can keep this franchise alive
No it’s too much
@Wacko u right then shoving it down throats then need to take a breather
Comic book especially marvel has been doing that since 2014 hence captain America. Winter soldier and guardian's of the galaxy both came out in 2014 and by the studio and were masterpieces
That 2019 Swamp Thing -series was great. Shame that it didn't get 2nd season
Marvel's secret of invasion is getting trashed by critics'. More race bait garbage.
He's spot on about this. I do wish he tried to salvage the DCEU because I do believe there was still lots of untapped potential there but I do understand that it's probably easier to start again. It's just extremely tiring as a DC fan. You can only watch man of steel so many times🤣.
I wouldnt mind it starting with justice league already in place then going back and dropping origins
I think there's a lot of gas left in the tank for the portrayals by those actors but in terms of the material itself?
Eehhhh.... We're talking about a series where one of the foundational pieces (Man of Steel) features a Superman who lets his own Dad die because his Dad was scared people wouldn't accept him.
Then does absolutely nothing with that to bring the character back around to being.. y'know.. Superman.
Which sucks because they somehow managed to have Henry f@$king Cavill in the role and couldn't figure out that Cavill's real life shy, down-to-earth, nice guy who builds his own PCs and misses the call telling him he got the role for World of Warcraft vibe despite being built like a friggin comic book superhero is *entirely what Superman is actually about*
I'm just happy he's there now. Imagine how many cool things we're gonna get under his (and Safran's) stewardship.
Honest to god I just wished WB worked on MOS2 and build up the rest properly instead of rushing to compete with Marvel when it already was a losing battle. Farewell to DCEU :(
@@TaylorTrask yeh I guess the only thing we can do is be optimistic for the future. Going forward I won't be as invested in any comic book franchise like I was when I was 12. It's been 10 years I gotta let that stuff go. I'll still watch it of course but will try not to care as much
0:48 This is exactly what I feel about Ragnorok. Just because that was funny doesn’t mean you have to do more of that in the sequel. My favorite Thor movie is (unpopular opinion) the first one. Thor had to become a more humble person rather than following in his father’s past footsteps in terms of being reckless and always wanting to fight. The second one was terrible but it did come with one of the greatest quotes from Thor: “I’d rather be a good man than a great king.” Meaning that he wants to live his life they way he wants rather than sticking to royal traditions. Then all that character development just want down the drain with Ragnorok and LnT. Chris even said that his role in the 4th movie felt that his character was kinda goofy than heroic. Marvel is at the point now in which they are no longer climbing the hill any more and just dancing at the top of it. As a Marvel fan I hope DC puts out better movies which will force Marvel to think harder on their stories and get back to climbing. This is the pure example of “competition breeds innovation”. The 4th phase has done nothing in my opinion other than Marvel dangling member berries to their fans. Marvel had RDJ in his 40s when he was cast as Iron Man after his drug abuse and they did more with him than Henry Cavill in his 30s as Superman. They literally had the potential to do great with him but they just let him wait in the sidelines.
Henry Cavill isn't Superman. People need o stop pitching the video game Injustice Superman to the general audiences. We don't like that. That was the direction they were going and we didn't like it
Yeah at this point I'm more so looking forward to seeing what James has cooked up for DC than whatever Marvel is putting out. I'll still watch the shows, but I'm really not looking forward to the new Captain Marvel movie after how well Guardians 3 was.
In my opinion Thor's story has always been consistent up until love and thunder. You can tell Tiaka was not interested in the movie what so ever but I remember when Chris Hemsworth back in the day said "taika doesn't come back I won't either".
Superhero movies suffer from the same issues that Star Wars movies do... there's a massive universe out there to do basically all kinds of movies, but everybody's just making the same shit over and over, because that's what's "a superhero movie" (or "a star wars movie").
Hell, there's potential for horror movies, heist movies, action movies, dramas, comedies and all other kinds of movies in those universes.
Very well said.
no
I agree but I would also like more movies in those genres WITHOUT superheroes still.
@@samfilmkid you have that now i guess
Logan was a great movie that I don't think have been matched since. At least not in tone. You don't have to care about the X-men, marvel or even superheroes, to enjoy it.
Probably because it's a good movie and the superhero stuff was supplemental, not its entire identity.
Joker also
@@slorr55 That's like comparing filet mignon to a hot dog.
It barely counts as a superhero movie. Only due to the source material from which its characters came.
@slorr55 Joker isn't a super hero.
@@slorr55 Joker was a rip off of Taxi Driver/ all Scorsese films.Its even set in the 70's!
James Gunn hit the nail on the head. We're not tired of superhero movies and shows, we're tired of mediocre superhero movies and shows.
Im tired of dickjokes.
I want to see a horror/suspense/superhero movie from the point of view of the bad guys getting picked off one by one. Air vents, floor grates, rafters, no where is safe as our protagonists dwindle. The story is told through a series of flashbacks, and you realize these are the bad guys we're following. Our "heroes battle the "creature" in the dark and battle each other as paranoia infects the group and they blame each other for the disappearances. Then we see it only in the last shot as he gets his last victim. A flutter of Batman's cape and sillouhette of his cowl. Or maybe a black oozing mass, as Venom reconstitutes himself and NOM!
Point is, i think a weird, new, and more subtle approach could be fun.
Problem with that kind of storytelling is that anyone that went in for a Batman movie is pissed that Batman isn't in it, and anyone that went in for a horror movie is pissed that Batman is in it. You can't do Schindler's List and then suddenly have Magneto start tearing apart nazis in the third act. Even if the tone isn't off, it's just going to be so jarring that it'd ruin the film if you're not expecting it going in. But if you are expecting it, the rest of the film will be jarring for the abscence of xmen.
@@GrandHighGamer tbh it would be a cool way to introduce batman at the start of the movie and a good way to start someones villlain origin story so that we really connect with the villain
spawn before his 11pm coffee.
Nice idea... for a terrible B-movie. Also, ''could be fun'' is why superhero movies started to turn to shit in the MCU, DCEU and elsewhere. Back in the day we had higher standards than ''fun''. Imagine if Raimi and Nolan were trying to do Spider-Man and Batman Begins with that attitude instead of treating them like real cinema.
This is basically the idea for the Spawn Movie that Todd Mcfarlane's been saying he's trying to make.
Totally agree with James Gunn. And I'll add that another problem is plot anxiety. I followed a couple of franchises for a couple of specific characters, and they both had a unified story arc. No problem. But the industry keeps reinventing the same characters, or putting said characters (portrayed by the same actors) in different groups/teams/etc. I joke with a coworker, who is much younger than I am, that I need to buy a dry-erase board, whenever we start talk (mainly) about the MCU. And he agrees, laughingly.
His answer to that question was EXCELLENT! I couldn't put my finger on it, but somehow he made what I was feeling make sense (to me)! And that's why I LOVE "The Boys", because I found myself invested in EVERY character! And it's WELL WRITTEN!
This is why I trust James this shows me that James Gunn gets the damn superhero thing he’s grown up as a comic fan he understands the characters I’m looking at you Zack Snyder
yep who thought it was a good idea to cram the stories of The Dark Knight Returns, a JL prequel, and The Death of Superman in just movie 2? MOVIE FUCKING 2?
Those creative decisions alone derailed the entire universe. Yet these days there are people defending Snyder's decision to kill off Superman as it was intended to create the Justice League. There are many stories that can unite the League WITHOUT killing the main hero of the universe
@@rbleaks818 I agree 100%
@@rbleaks818that’s Warner brothers. Zack was kinda put in that situation. He wanted to do man of steel 2 first but the studio wanted more to catch up to marvel. Kinda like the Spider-Man 3 problem.
@@davidricardez639 BvS was entirely Snyders idea. He got the free rein to do w/e and that backfired HARD
Don't disrepect zack g the directors cut of justice leagu3 was amazing, zack the goat
Big, giant spectacle movies are what's tired...like he said. Superhero movies can be almost anything. First one that comes to mind is Winter Soldier....that was a spy thriller wearing a superhero hat.
It was only barely a spy thriller. Just more of one than the previous movie.
@@JustinLesamizIt was still enough to make it the best Marvel movies to date
That movie was horribly bland too. I think Logan is probably the only of the bunch that will stand the test of time, the rest is garbage.
Need more R rated ones. The GUYVER is a good example.
I'm still trying to figure out how we don't have this for the modern age? Spawn too.
The problem is not hero movies, the problem is the amount of bad content made with heroes, whether series or movies, especially with unpopular characters for the public
I'd say yes. The genre hasn't been the same since Endgame. Animation might be the direction to go in seeing the success of Spiderverse.
The genre was already horribly redundant before Endgame. Its for children and immature/tasteless adults.
@Blurgle so why are you here??😂😂😂
@@blurgle9185 Write better if you want to pretend to have this above it all sophisticated view on the state of modern narrative.
It's all about great storytelling. The reason why Guardians 3 was so good.
Well said. Perfectly put.
Cliches and common themes and stories can all be retold in epic fashion.
There can be a hero at his weakest whose love of what's right pushes him beyond what is considered real. In my own experience I have found that what's right enables us to do what is considered impossible.
Also , not everything has to be for kids! UNBREAKABLE, SPLIT, GLASS . Some of my favorite movies.
I liked Legion. The way they conceptualized mind powers should be implemented in the movies X-Men.
If James brings in The Question into DC, gotta hire Jeffery Combs to play him.
Couldn’t have said that better. That’s why he’s James Gunn.
Thank God. I wholeheartedly trust this man heading DC.
James Gunn has some pretty good evidence on his side about tone and formula… Marvel pretty much switched over all of their dialogue and tone after guardians of the galaxy one and two came out… If you go back and rewatch the movies that came out before it, they had a somewhat different tone. Even though the avengers had comedy in the way, Joss Whedon likes to do banter, it was still different. Once guardians came out every movie afterwards, tried to pretend to be it.
I love this guy. He completely gets it.
the problem is that while overall the movies look better it’s much like the early 2000’s where studios try to make ANY hero property they can. the real issue is that too many of these projects are made by people who don’t truly care about them so they turn out poorly. or even worse, they find success and try to replicate the exact same formula instead of genuinely trying to improve over the original
He's totally correct on genre ... I recall Richard Donner basically saying Superman 1 and 2 were a love story, which is perhaps why people like it so much. It's really about having to balance your desires versus your responsibilities.
When you cast people like Ezra and Amber, you got your own to blame.
What Michael was saying about "it doesn't always matter if big names are in it. if it looks good, people will watch it."
Specifically, I can think of "Squid Game" and the recent movie, "Sisu." (the second one, you could almost chock up to cult status for the filmmaker, a bit.)
The first John Wick movie... I think I and everyone thought, "Oh, look. Keanu. That'll be worth a watch." Nobody expected it to become a franchise prior to seeing the movie. I'll admit, the trailer looked good, but just that: good.
Sounds like an interesting interview. James Gunn has made some really enjoyable movies. If he can allow time to be taken on projects and hire the right people, maybe there can be an upturn in quality.
He’s spot on, shows with his movies that he actually loves the movies he makes
And this is why i plan on making original films if i ever get the chance to fulfil my dream
I think the real problem is that superhero movies have fallen into the same trap as superhero comics. When stories perpetually grind on forever without an ending in sight two problems develop:
1) you limit accessibility because of the shear amount of media you need to consume in order to understand and appreciate what's happening.
2) You run into an escaltion/anti-climax cycle where ever conflict has to be bigger and more dynamic to top the last one but ultimately feel empty because the resolution doesn't really matter.
I do appreciate James Gunn's honesty...
We all know he's referring to latest Antman. What a pile...
Or The Flash or Shazam or Black Adam....
Or The Batman
A way too long, a way too pretentious and way too overdone of s copycat film
The Batman was an unnecessary film to be made, and the box office receipts show that
@@Christian_Ada1 The Batman is the best DC movie of the last 10 years. It doesn't fit that at all. Most post-Endgame MCU movies do though, same with a hell of a lot of the DCEU ones.
@@daveclark8337 The Flash was a lot of fun.
Or Thor.
When is James making the Farscape movie/season 5?! That is the question! 😃
James hits the nail on the head. Hollywood bought up all these properties years ago, but really didn't understand what it was they had. The best superhero films- certainly the best quality films - are made by fans of those characters. Film makers need to care about these characters in order to give them life.
Not necessarily. The mcu committee was made of top notch comic writers who knew the characters inside an out and were responsible for the shitty early thor movies and iron man 2
We all know he's talking about Marvel. Great to hear this honesty about the people who've paid him for the last decade
He made them more money than they paid him 😂
I love how he agrees with people who are annoyed with super hero movies but also disagrees with them by saying he doesn't believe too many is the issue it's the issue that there's too many that have no passion. Passion is the issue not too many
He's not wrong, though. I know people may disagree with me, but I think the Marvel projects that are good Post-Endgame work because they feel like projects people wanted to make, like Gotg Vol. 3. The ones that either flopped or are not well received by critics and fans tend to be the ones that the studio forced someone to make rather than letting the director make the movie THEY wanted (cough Multiverse of Madness cough) and I think that's where the laziness Gunn is talking about comes in.
When you start micromanaging a film and hire people who don't care, that's where you start loosing your audience. If Marvel wants to prove they still have what it takes, they're going to need to trust the people they hire more.
To many doesn’t mean more will have no poison.
@@alexdawson4571 marvel force all the directors to make the film they want. It’s been very well documented that there is a plan and the directors must stick to it.
@@Whatwhatwhat1135 i feel like the main reason they’re doing that is because a bunch of movies are coming out earlier then the follow up films, like doctor strange coming out after no way home
@@Real_DvD makes no sense
With the flash box office disaster I wonder what James next move will be and if he will change his decision to keep any dceu characters
Hes gonna keep the Peacemaker folks and folks from The Suicide Squad (2021)
@@rbleaks818 idk if his bosses are gonna be kill with it. Clearly the majority just want it gone
If anything, The Flash's BO proves his decision to reboot is right. People just don't care for the old iteration of DCEU characters any more.
@@nikunjdixit1175That'll be Ezra.
He should have been recast. No argument.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 more then recast they clearly should have never released the flash and took a tax right off. It has hurt the brand and lost tons of money
I think my favorite characters are now FINALLY in good hands. Excelsior James.
Shang-Chi, NWH got Academy Award nominations and BP2 won it
What’s weird with the “too many superhero movies” thing is come awards season no one says are there too many people who are sad with mental health issues or persecuted person over coming something or watch an inspirational true life story or watch this sad true life story
@@patricktownsend5402 not everyday people though. But you can apply it to the same principle of TV show about cops/detectives or medical dramas
Idk wtf u just sayin
@@GregKhar-NU-Metalhead2000 people don’t complain about other genres or types of films in the same way.
The elephant in the room that no one can even glance at, let alone talk about, is that cineplex-geared films are being made with the ‘international audience’ in mind. So many key subtleties in comedy and emotional drama don’t translate to audiences who don’t speak the language of the characters, so they lean into the “BIFF, BAM, POW.”
And the reason we can’t talk about this in regards to Hollywood films is because when we say “international audiences,” everyone knows we’re not referring to the U.K. or Australia or Canada, e.g. So it becomes a perceived anti-PoC issue. Now multiply that by ever-increasing costs of films creating ever-reduced risk parameters.
(Waylon Jennings voice) Now how d’ya reckon them Movie Boys gonna get outta THIS pickle??
I’d like to add that I don’t think Hollywood thinks very highly of the “domestic audience” when it comes to cineplex films, either. That’s been apparent for about twenty years, easy.
Man thank you James. Hes hit the nail on the head.
Everything is so genereric or the same.
Where are all the great writers.
He’s right. People are plagued with repetition. Gotta change it up!
I really have faith in james in his ability to bring dcu to the promise land when it comes to having a successful shared universe. So much potential at DC and Mr. Gunn might be their saving grace. Only time will tell us though. Cant wait for Superman Legacy and Brave and the Bold.
James Gunn will make things worse with his pedo-verse. His movie are meh and nothing special and he relies on shit comedy. He's going to ruin DC even more plus I can't support a man who makes jokes about raping and touching little boys and joining pedo themed parties is disgusting.
They are both correct, yeah, we are getting so much content but most of it is really forgettable or just bad. The 2010s and 2020s so far has been the worst era for American shows and especially movies.
This just isn’t true at all. We’ve had some of the best shows ever in the 2010s and 2020s.
What a bizarre statement.
@@YourBlackLocal The truth shouldn't upset you.
@YourBlackLocal You are right. There have been a lot of great shows/movies in the last 15 years but there has also been a lot of really bad stuff too. I think it is pretty much always like that we are just getting way more content than ever before
@@BishopWalters12 I think you should take your own advice. If you think you’re saying that the years Breaking Bad, Succesion, Barry, Atlanta and so many more is the worst era for shows.
Maybe watch something other than blockbusters.
@@BishopWalters12you clearly have no clue what you are talking about lol.
The Fables comic book series would make such a great movie series.
He nailed this question
Oh man, it's a shame that Zack Snyder's take on his superhero films were not appreciated by the majority. Because he is the only one giving consistently different flavours to what we'd expect. Watchemn; (detective story, no clear protagonist and antagonist), Man of Steel; (Superman does morally grey actions to his regret) BvS; (The good guys technically win at a big loss)
There is an asterix to all of the points above. The movie needs to be good. The films can have all the great intentions with themes and character, but if the film isn't good, then its pointless. People didn't like the way Snyder executed those themes. At the end of the day, these are movies. They have to be entertaining. Snyder's movies were giant bores to huge chunks of the audience. You can't spend that much money on movies that bore huge chunks of the audience and then cry about the fact that they aren't appreciated.
People simply disliked his dark and gloomy nihilistic take on the DC characters.
After marvel people expected bright and optimistic stories.
DC simply didn't deliver that.
The difference is his movies have the most boring and dour characters and often nonsensical plots
Ppl dont like toilet movies shocker 🤣
Kathleen Kennedy is the problem. Why explain all the bad movies she makes when no one else is going to do that poorly
Even horror had been fatigued in the late 80's and Rom-Coms in the late 2000's. I love superhero movies and I this can happen to all genre. 😊 We need filmmakers that really care about characters and know how to make a great story surrounding them like how The Dark Knight Trilogy was made. 😊❤
Notice how he said “product.” “We’re going to be careful with the product we put out.” Therein lies the problem. You must treat movies as art projects not school projects turned in for grades. Notice how every movie points to its Rotten Tomatoes score, as if an arbitrary collection of first watch reactions is a barometer of a “good” movie. This guy is gonna make DC The Great Value brand MCU with middle school humor
That was a long list of assumptions and reaches, almost impressive. Look up the definition of “product” for me and come back
U are reaching 🤣
I like what he’s saying, but he also said the Flash was one of the best superhero movies he’s ever seen. So quality control is still something they’re gonna have to convince me on.
Just saw it, movie was fantastic. IDK if "one of the best" ever but certainly better than any movie in Snyders whole run
He could hate it but saying so is career suicide in Hollywood. You must ALWAYS tow the line and go along with the agenda and party line.
@@aamerkastoff1447 I agree, but he wasn’t hyping Shazam 2 like he was the Flash. It seems like if he doesn’t like it, he just won’t say anything.
The Flash was a mess from start to finish. But then again they have a criminal and well documented groomer as the lead, its had three directors, been getting redone for five years, had six writers, and most the cast want to be a million miles away from the criminal lead.
Everyone that kept up Knows they were trying to use "multiverse" as an excuse for race changing, sex changing, sexual orientation changing, religion changing, ideology changing, etc. etc. etc. to push "The Message" and now that Warner has lost billions doing just that (much like Disney, Bud Light, target, etc. ad nauseam) they tried to remove as much as possible of the original woke crap and they tried to do it in with to little time and way to late.
There isn't a major studio not suffering the fallout of agenda laden content costing them billions and most are still trying to push due to the people in control having enough f**k you money to not care if they bankrupt the company. Most these companies are publicly traded so its the normies that are losing all their investment money while the agenda pushers will be fine.
I'm just done pretending all these crap movies are crap for any other reason than he truth; Woke, leftist, agenda laden crap that the vast majority of people, being rational and moral, are sick of having shoved on them. Gunn is just another of the same old same old and I have no doubt this comment will age exceptionally well.
I think the mistake is thinking of "superheroes" as a genre when it should be a theme.
Shazam and Shazam Fury of the Gods fits too well in his story
After I watched his top 5 superhero segment that came out, history of violence, oldboy that he listed that noone really knew were comics will make the change in good comic book movies
I just want James Gunn to give us more of the Brightburn movies. Now he is the boss, let’s get it done… the evil superhero stuff is so much more exciting; look at The Boys…
Yeah, but "Evil Superman" is becoming a tired trope, which is why I'm excited for him to make Superman: Legacy.
That's exactly the attitude that Gunnis talking against. The evil superhero trope is also getting tired. We already have several iterations of 'evil superman'.
@@nikunjdixit1175 you obviously don’t know all the ideas that were proposed for the Brightburn series. There were supposed to be more characters other than just ‘superman’
Evil superman is toilet
James Gunn is gonna save DC. Marvel in turn will have to step up their game. I heard a rumor of a Wolverine and Spider-Man movie in the works. I really hope that's true. That's what Marvel fans want to see. As for DC, I heard Gunn is getting in touch with the actors people want for certain characters which is great! We might be about to witness a new era of good superhero movies if they all play their cards right. Let's go!
Yes yes 1000%. Two of my favorite superhero movies: the original Superman was a love story with superheroes; and Winter Soldier was a political thriller with superheroes. New Mutants almost nailed it as s horror story with superheroes, but it could have been scarier, and the Big Monster at the end was weirdly tacked on (even though it was in fact a character from X-Men lore).
Well said James!
Yes.
Please stop.
Grown men bringing their childhood to life so they can stay children... it's getting annoying.
I want 90s action back.
What do you mean bro? 90s films were the same
Yes! stop bringing back other people nostalgia and bring back my nostalgia.
@@gammerguy1995bring back my toxic masculine men so I can fantasize about as I touch myself at night
@@josepablodeleon6073 We didn't cycle through hundreds of super heroes and then start mashing them up and going full social justice warrior.
You weren't there, or you're a comic fixated adult.
@@gammerguy1995 The last great era of the theater.
Can't see the problem here.
Unfortunately Weinstein made great movies.
Getting his excuses in early
Shut up
That doesn't make any sense
Gunn understands how to make a good film with a focus on characters and their individual story arcs. Producers for WB past simply through galactic level villains forges a good hero (Green Lantern jumping the gun and making Parallax the origin story villain was a strategic mistake) . Spider-Man has been the shining example of how a common street thug or mentally challenged madman can put a character through the reigning in a way that audiences can relate to
The problem is also the humor
The humor taking away from the more serious or emotional moments
We are sick of woke bs in movies
Name a single superhero movie with “woke bs” that isn’t captain marvel.
@@YourBlackLocalmovies: doctor strange 2 , black panther , wakanda forever , eternals , thor love and thunder ,
Shows: umbrella academy , she Hulk, ms Marvel
@@Animodeus and now name something woke from each one
@Asmodeus so anything with. Minority lead, or to many minorities in it gotcha
Ok
Dr strange : the main character becomes the side charector, and being usless most of time , and the main villian is defeated by a young girl that introduced in that same movie ( instead of learning new power through hardwork , she becomes powerful just believing in herself ) just like most generic strong female character
2. Black panther : showing white people as bad , the whole high class millitary people are woman ,
3.wakanda forever : same , showing white people as bad , pusing there aganda, like fight between white vs black and Hispanics , indroducing a black female version of a alredy established white character , with same " strong female character problem" like she is already so intelligent and made a iron suit in high school , instead of hard work , it's always belive in yourself
4.eternals : forced LGBTQ ,
5. Love and thunder : forced LGBTQ , instead of calling valkery queen they call her king , forced woman empowerment, calling the make charector as a joke ,
I think i don't need to talk about the shows
Formulaic. Moonnight is a good example of the opposite.
Yeah, but by the final episode it became the same old formula
@@josepablodeleon6073no it didn’t
ATSV showed that people arent tired of superhero movies. Its just that so many superhero films rely on the superhero to carry the movie's enjoyment instead of the story actually being compelling
True , there are is atleast 4 superhero movie running in the theatre in my City, ( spiderverse, the Flash, transformer, GOTG)
Transformers isn’t a super hero movie…..
People are getting tired of the woke narrative… Write a good movie leave all that political garbage out people go to the movies to forget about the real world.
The problem is that the "message" or agenda pushing if you prefer takes absolute precedence over story telling and worse appealing to the audience. That Hollywood/Disney ignore hundreds of millions of former fans all begging for them to stop with the nonsense they don't just ignore the previously built in audience they proceed to attack them for not watching bad product and then give an endless parade of empty excuses that have never lived up to scrutiny.
Fans aren't racist, sexist, bigots for not wanting to watch content that uses text book racism, sexism, and bigotry.
There is no fatigue from the fanbase for the original product. There is extreme fatigue from the pushing of agendas and the race changing (racism), changing characters sex (sexism), and changing their sexual orientation and/or religion (bigotry).
The sad thing is the people that allowed themselves to be finessed into seeing racism as anti-racist, sexism as anti-sexism, and bigotry as anti-bigotry. Most people haven't been brainwashed into see evil as good and good as evil. The people know what's up and sadly Hollywood types are so scared of not working again the perform metal gymnastics to avoid saying the truth. I love Rosenbaum but even he frequently shuts his mouth when it comes to this reality. He wants to work in Hollywood still which means he must tow the line.
James Gunn hit the nail on the head. Its not superhero movies, it's spectacle films. Avatar, Transformers, Star Wars...
Everyone points the finger at Marvel like the whole industry isn't like this.
Totally agree man!
“There are no more Movie Stars but only superheroes.”- Anthony Mackie (2015)
Superheroes need to end; adults need to stop acting like children. We live in a very childish time.
Yup Anthony Mackie did say that we are making movies for China and for 16 year olds
I am already in nearing my late 40s and there’s just way too many comic book films and not just that they’re tying all the comic book films to each other so it’s time the hands of writers and directors of making their own film and making it there then work on it because now they have to be careful what a right to not make a mess of the next film best titan if that makes any sense
It is incredibly depressing that there don't seem to be many movies made for a mainstream adult audience, that is to say movies made for people with more lived experience than, say a early twenty-something kid.
@@maluse227 there are more original movies made today than any other time in history, you just don’t watch any of them. And that’s why they fail.
@@Theblackout292 they fail bc of the countless of superhero films, remakes, sequels or diversity/lgtbq nonsense.
There are too many "We are Oppressed" and "We are Strong Women, Hear Us Roar" and "Masculinity is Toxic" superheroes being made for miniscule target audiences.
There literally hasn’t ever been a single “masculinity is toxic” superhero movie ever made. Stop being so sensitive. It’s ok for a female superhero to fight against a male villain without it being a personal attack on you. Only an absolute snowflake can’t tell the difference between “toxic masculinity is bad” and “masculinity is bad.”
Please name one.
@@danieljacobson1 she-hulk
@@danieljacobson1 Being obtuse must be your superpower.
@@danieljacobson1 Supergirl, Batwoman, Captain Marvel and even The Boys 3rd season got way more heavy handed.
They're thinking "How much money will it make?" and then "How much money will I make?" that's it.
I really got to start listening to this podcast
There's simply no balance anymore. We used to have dramas and action thrillers that didn't rely on superheroes, sci-fi, or fantastical themes-just pure films. Back in the early 2010s, a trip to the theater meant discovering movies like "The Town," "The Descendants," "127 Hours," "Moneyball," "End of Watch," "Drive," "Fury," and alongside them were blockbusters like "The Avengers," "Thor," "Iron Man," "Transformers," "Fast and Furious," and Disney Pixar films.
But today, the landscape is dominated by Marvel, DC, Pixar, John Wick, and a Guy Ritchie film, with only a handful of pretentious artsy Oscar bait movies in the mix. It's a time when you find yourself fervently hoping that Tarantino, Scorsese, Nolan, or the Coen Brothers will bless us with a movie to remind us that true cinema still exists. The era of casually "picking" a non-100-million-dollar-budget movie at the theaters seems to have come to an end.
Pretty explanatory for why The Batman was so great
Wow, you’re interview James Gunn in his prime!!! And the skill you need n interviewing !!! You’ll be more famous doing this !
It’s not that there really “too many superhero films”, it’s too much of the same type of story. It should embrace genres and basically make films that have superheroes in them.
Michael: Do you think… That… There are too many… Superheroes shows and movies and, because I remember when I did Smallville, there.
James: Y E S !
james gunn nails the "real fans" argument. its not that we hate these movies, its just theres no love. theres gotta be a reason and a plan when you make the movie not just swap directors 12 times cause they aren't doing what you want. It also shows when they tokenize characters, race swaps aren't good and even though some of my favs are a race swap. As a POC we really deserve better than the leftovers. excited for more dc movies to come, blue beetle looks sick
P.S. spiderverse is a great genre bending film. though Idk why peeps were skeptical of it back when it was announced cause if you are going through the effort of making it look great, you'll put forth the effort to make a good story. its like stop motion, theres almost no bad stop motion films
Imagine liking race swaps! 😂basically admitting " hi we are non white ppl,but bcs white ppl are so smart at creating character (unlike us),we're gonna tokenize these character to look like us"
Personally I’d like to see more darker superhero movies with gore and violence but also focusing on the character arc. If it’s possible it shouldn’t be marvel or dc, make something original or create a different universe/trilogy
I like the comment about compelling horror movie trailers that feature nobodies. I can't even guess how many horror movies starring nobodies that I've watched simply because the trailer looked awesome.
I hope he can deliver it and Marvel can take notes