The Power Of The Last Dragonborn | Elder Scrolls Power-Scale
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lots of people are ignoring the power of a dragons soul, the deadra are limited in their power in that they can’t gain more, the dragonborn can consume the power of dragons to an infinite point, not to mention the thuum can bend reality
I mean it isn’t entirely infinite since there is a limit on dragons
@@atticuspardodezela5093 time manipulation man, time manipulation
@@eclectic2327 but aren't dragons above time?
@@l0sts0ul89 in what sense? do they die from age? no but i don’t think that makes one “above” time, they’re still subservient to it
@@eclectic2327 those born with the soul and blood of dragons including the dragonborns live outside the concept of linear time, so immeasurable
Lore wise the last dragonborn can litteraly send fucking bears flying with just a slap
A slap? He can control time, summons and control dragons and multiple other things with his “mere” voice
I'm pretty sure he can send a bear flying with a whistle lmao.
Send bears with a slap, he can send fucking giants with a slap
I think a slap would end reality
Technically speaking, the fact that one of the powers gained from the black books gives you unlimited mana for 30 seconds each day. With unlimited mana, you could technically create a fireball the size of the sun, so I guess that when the dragon born gets that power, he becomes a god.
imagine the Last Dragonborn standing alone in front of an army of Aldmeri Dominion forces, and he says to them "Surrender or Die, this is your only warning" and if they say no or attack they just create a massive fireball the size of a city and wipes them off the map, only leaving a few to spread the word to the Thalmor, The Last Dragonborn could be Exactly what the Empire needs to restore the Empire's borders from the time of Tiber Septim (or at the very least make peace with the Dominion)!!! With an Army of Dragons, the Empire, Skill level 100 in everything, all the perks, The Last Dragonborn is an "Unrelenting Force" to be reconed with!
Not quite, as he may not have the skill to control a fireball that big. That being said, he could continuously chuck fireballs as big as he can handle, which would probably have the same end result.
@@ShadeDergon97 Works in-game lol
And those black books have something that lets him be immune to fall damage so if he were too idk dropped from a dragon after charging up said fire ball
@@TheOneWhoShushes Or he could just use the become ghost shout, or whatever it's called.
The Dragonborn can also cheat death with their ultimate defense [quick save]
I've mastered that arcane ability.
This is true 🤣
Or as called in the lore (CHIM)
Slight corrections: First off, the dragon priests (Miraak excluded) didn't fight the dragons, they worshiped them like gods. In terms of power, they were likely just below the dragons themselves. (And no mention of him potentially being a Vampire Lord? I mean, he does have the glowy eyes in the trailers, so him being a VL could be canon.)
Second, it was the battle between Vahlok and Miraak that caused Solstheim to split off of Skyrim, and Vahlok would have defeated Miraak, had Hermaeus Mora not saved him. Vahlok was then told to guard Solstheim for when Miraak eventually reappeared, and The Last Dragonborn ends up fighting and defeating both in the end.
Third, he didn't necessarily defeat Tsun, but he did hold his own against him in combat; Also worth noting that Tsun is the Shield-Thane (in other words, the right-hand man) of Shor, the Nordic version of Lorkhan, so he's gonna be quite high up there in terms of power.
Forth, the Black Books *don't* grant knowledge of the past and future, just that they might be *from* the past or future. They're mainly links to Apocrypha, which is Hermaeus Mora's realm of Oblivion. That being said, Apocrypha is basically a giant library of most all that is known in the universe, and a bunch of forbidden knowledge that nobody else knows about, so not that far off. Finally, the power to "break and control dragons" is the Bend Will shout, that allows the user to bend the will of anyone - including dragons at it's highest power.
Finally, TLD doesn't keep the Skeleton Key; they get a boon from Nocturnal, but that's about it. The Staff of *Magnus* (honestly sounded like you were saying Mundus, which confused me for a bit) was used by Magnus himself - one of the gods that helped in creating the mortal plane, before he realized how much power would be given up making it and fled to Aetherius, tearing a hole in Oblivion to do so - to contain his own power. (fun fact, that hole he made? That's the Sun, and all magic flows from Aetherius through it.)
Ultimately? The Last Dragonborn is likely the single most powerful mortal in all of The Elder Scrolls, possibly rivaling even the Daedric Lords themselves; At minimum, he would have access to Unrelenting Force, a shout that was used by *ordinary people* instead of siege engines, blowing down castle gates and walls, and a Dragonborn is stated to be much stronger than other mortals with regards to using the Thu'um. With all three words, he could probably shatter mountains with a whisper. At his max power, he could call down a storm to decimate entire *armies,* slow down time to a crawl, Breath fire and frost stronger than any mortal spell, tear the soul out of a person's body, and bend the will of anyone up to and including *fragments of the God of Time,* all just by speaking. And that's not even touching on his skill in "mortal" magic, combat, and stealth. If he's a vampire lord (or even just a base vampire), he would live forever, so aging isn't an issue, and he'd also be immune to disease and poison. And for those who say you could sneak attack him while he's asleep or something, you're forgetting he would have access to the Thrall spells, so he has two Fire/Frost/Storm atronachs guarding him at all times (or two powerful undead thralls, who could potentially be people who could use the Thu'um themselves). I feel like assassinating someone with two *giant living glaciers* as bodyguards isn't a good idea unless you're *damn* good at your job.
Wouldn’t he be able to summon an army of thralls lore wise due to his near infinite magic reserves after become mage guild leader?
@@Shadysky234 If we assume being able to only maintain one summon at a time (or two with Twin Souls) to be simply game mechanics - which it likely is, since you could have theoretically infinite summons back in Morrowind - then yes, he could have an army of undead or Atronach thralls at his command.
This army would also be leagues better than any other, since neither daedra nor undead need to sleep, eat, or drink (which is one of the reasons they make the best bodyguards), and if it's an undead army, each battle would only serve to make it bigger. The only real issue is storing them (and the smell, for undead.)
@@ShadeDergon97 I imagine an army of dedra lords charging one poor unprepared assassin
Dremora Lords can't be made into thralls (barring reanimating them), only Fire/Ice/Frost atronachs, but yes :P
@@ShadeDergon97 imagine dagon one day wakes up and finds out the dragonborn summoned all his armys😂
The dovahkiin has some ridiculously strong and cheesy ways to beat enemies
1. Wabajak to turn enemies into sweet rolls
2. Bend will shout to just make enemies subjugated to your will
Wabbajack is unreliable though. Yeah, could turn them into a sweet roll. Or turn them into a dremora lord. Or whatever Sheogorath would think is hilarious at the time. Can't say the same about Bend Will though, since that shout would be busted lorewise.
I've nothing to add, just liking the video and commenting for the algorithm.
All the oblivion fanboys seem to forget the last dragonborn beat alduin, by lore standards a being who is more powerful than any other enemy faced by the heroes of Elder Scrolls, and was born with godlike abilities and didn't have to aquire them. Therefore he was designed the be the most powerful by default
A pity the game doesn’t make him feel that tough. He should have had access to all the shouts the player can get.
@@duncanharrell5009yeah
Yeah, lore Alduin is a beast. He isn't the "Firstborn of Akatosh", that's just Bethesda's dialogue oversimplification. Alduin is, in reality, the first and oldest shard of AKA, hence why he calls himself its "firstborn". That makes Alduin more of Akatosh's "older brother". He also created a Daedric Prince, which is Mehrunes Dagon.
@@Ivory5547 Alduin created Mehrunes Dagon?
@@oka1424yeah he ate him and litteraly shit mehrunes dagon😭
Ulfric said he just disarmed the king and stabbed him in the heart when he was stunned. Though a lot of shit about him is up to interpretation
correct me if I am wrong but is not only difference between dragonborn and normal human fact that dragonborn can absorb dragon's soul ? so if theoretically dragon born won't absorb dragon's soul won't he/she be a normal human in terms of strength.
@@gioarevadze2703 true but his voice is so strong he doesnt need to use strength
@@gioarevadze2703 slightest of whisper can cause a whole eathquake
In Nord combat any kind off Magic is considered extremely disrespectful. There is a reason a lot of Nords do not like Ulfric
Ulfric? That noob Thu'um user? It doesn't mean that you know the Thu'um it means you can shake a mountain with a whisper. There's something called training and learning, and Ulfric bolted the fuck away.
His feat is literally incomparable to the Greybeards.
Defeating Nazeem was the hardest challenge
more like not killing him tbh
@@boiled_cola4615meaning Dragonborn has Insane Control over himself😅
My favourite part of the lore is that it's hinted that the Dragonborn actually does have the ability to 'reload saves'. The Dragonborn is specifically sent by Akatosh, the god of all gods, to save the world, so everytime the dragonborn dies it's essentially a groundhog day scenario and he get's put back in time to do it again until he gets it right. Skyrim was basically a battle of the gods; Alduin in Dragonform and Akatosh through the Dragonborn.
Not only this, but because the Dragonborn is directly sent by Akatosh, your soul goes to Sovngarde to drink and be merry no matter what. Every deal you made with all the daedric princes are null and void and you basically played them all for fools. The Dragonborn is the strongest entity in Nirn
Is Akatosh the most powerful being in The Elderscrolls? Ignoring the whole God Head theory thing.
@@l0sts0ul89 Yes. Akatosh is the lead deity. He's the Zeus of Skyrim.
@@Sursion Gotcha, where would you rank Dragonborn when compared to the rest of the TES Heros and the cosmology itself? Top 10 type stuff.
@@l0sts0ul89 Not really, the divines were tricked by lorkhan to sacrifice a big part of their power to create mundus, and because of that the divines in general have less power than the daedras (excluding talos because he was a human who ascended as a divine so he didnt have to use his power to create mundus) because these ones didnt participate on the creation of mundus
Sheogorath is easily the strongest out of all of them
just giving an offering to the algorithm, you are realy under rated
I've got this fun little story with my Dovahkiin where he wound up trapped in Apocrypha, and upon finding knowledge to help him escape, the spell he used flung him into DnD. With his battles won, he decided that he would no longer use his magic or his Thuum, only his martial prowess as his spells and shouts are far beyond what's typically seen in the new world he found himself in. He settled into a mostly peaceful life. Exploring and learning about the new world. Years passed, and he later became a paladin, swearing the Oath of Ancients and eventually becoming a follower of Eilistraee. Though not officially a part of the clergy.
I now play as him in Baldur's Gate 3😺
Great video I started playing Skyrim few months ago I love it's cosmology and power scale video.
The fortify restoration potion in my back pocket:
The Last Dragonborn is definitely lore-wise as strong as this video suggests, capable of insane feats. But he is still mortal, unlike daedra lords or other immortal beings in the Elder Scrolls universe he can be killed with ways that any mortal would be. Thus, although very few would be able to face him head on, he could be killed by a sudden sneak attack or by poison for example.
Ironically, it’s because of the Last Dragonborn’s mortality that they was able to defeat Alduin and the other dragons. Dragonrend, or the words for it, _Joor Zah Frul_ (Mortal Finite Temporary) is, ironically, such an alien concept to the dragons due to them being a species that are naturally immortal that they are unable to utilize the shouts themselves, yet the Dragonborn(s) can _because_ of their mortality, hence why we can inflict it on the dragons and force them to _comprehend mortality_ that it absolutely instills fear and vulnerability for the very first time to a species that dying (for good) is inconceivable.
He could easily have an indefinite lifespan though considering he's absorbed a shit ton of Dragon souls with thousands of years worth of knowledge each and he has Miraak's soul as well. I bet he lives much longer than an average mortal, probably has a similar lifespan to elves due to all the power he has absorbed
@Mirz Adolvfon And the wooden sword that does 10k damage...
@@F1pidis only 10k? Mine does over 500k...
Dragonborn can grow as durable and as strong as possible. He can level infinitely so health (durability) and Stamina (strength) can be almost infinite. So can be magicka. I don't think after a certain period of training he'll be just a "mortal". He will eventually be on Deadric prince's level in terms of strength and durability.
Fortify resto glitch and the dragon born solos any verse with a wooden sword
Vile straight up said his stronger then Barbas. The other Deadra like Azura are hard to quantify. There clearly above others like Vermina. Graymoor implies the Num is very strong being Lorkhan darkness. Malcath is trimec who killed lorkhan.
Like we kinda have more clear knowledge of lower and higher tier deadra at least for a few.
Also don't forget that clavius vile power is split in half because he's missing barbas when he said the dragonborn is almost as strong as him also I'm sure he meant On Tamriel and there power on Tamriel is completely different than on their own realm which I'm sure you already know so he's heavily nerfed that's still impressive though and that was an earlier quest the dragonborn gets much stronger though the story and DLC also not 100% on this but isn't alduin daedric Prince level well people are claiming he's not because he's not in the world eater mode apparently
@@Samb467 He can’t manifested on Nirn in a serious fashion with the dragon fires lite. So I doubt he meant on Nirn. People think Alduins nerfed because he has no right being that weaker then Auriel and Akatosh who never lose to four mortals that easily from what we know. But dragon rend was weaking him. Even in Skyrim you could argue he was Deadra level easily since another nordic god couldn’t beat him. The Deadra showing against other gods is kind meh. The tribunal used to beat high tier ones.
@@manga925 yeah he could be referring to the power he has in his realm also when you say a Nordic God couldn't you're talking about shor speaking of him where was he in sovngrade I don't think we heard anything about him and he's supposed to be there right unless the dragonborn is mantling him or something but throughout the game I don't think they ever said he was so when alduin pulled up shor dipped he ran or what😂 unless I'm forgetting something
@@Samb467 Tsun the giant Nord you fight at the end of Skyrim is a god. Shor not being there could be like ten things. But I think the streamlined anwser bethesda will go with is Tsun/Lorkhan were 100% the same person. So Shor was replaced by Talos. But it also could be since there twins Alduin and shor can’t manifest at the same time. As some lore has the dragon of times and the trickster god of man being siamese twins
The DragonBall literally can send bears flying with his voice. I did that and so.e wolves were like you know what we can take him
My Skyrim modded character would solo the strongest beings in dc fiction.
Isn't there literal omnipotent gods in DC fiction?
Batman?
In DC if I’m not mistaken, you can reach tod status if you become stronger g enough. I don’t need mods. I use glitches and exploits. My bare hands have the power to kill a world eater 500 times over! And my armour is strong enough to switbdtand the force of a fall from 5,000 feet and come out unscathed (idk the limit of my armour honestly) with glitches the dragonborn can theoretically rea XD infinint power… AND IN ELDER SCROLLS THE DRAGONBORN HAS INFININT POTENTIOL so if they were in DC. Eventually over time the Drago born would become strong enough to reach god status and soon it will ascend beyond the mortal playing and start rising to the power of people like Lucifer and the Presence and they would never be able to do anything because he can stay under the radar with 10,000 stealth, he will be so undercover that the presence can’t sense his presence. Until one day he rises above all DC characters and either takes them out, or forces them to leave them alone. Either way. The Dragonborn can OVER TIME be stronger then theoretically, any character.
@@nerdthatcantfit1079 in skyrim, there is an armor cap.
Roughly 80 percent damage reduction I think?
@@jm6456 but not a health cap srry I should have been more specific but also regardless the armour cap is just their game wise lore wise the dragonborn is still at limitless power with armour and health.
why that thumbnail so scary damn
this was an entertaining vid. good work!
Thank you
Alteration is essentially Omnipotence in a nutshell
I did get my dragonborn to level 252 which from what I can tell is the max level you can reach to upgrade all skills to the max and I was exhausted. But in the end my dragonborn became the all power beating dragon god to first dragonborn to vampire lord, has best wife in the game werewolf wife and my canon Dragonborn can take a long break. But now I'm wondering who will take the dragonborn soul knowing he made deals with many of the Gods in skyrim? A great battle will happen, a battle of gods.
if he doesnt get stuck in hermaeus mora's realm maybe the divines ascend him like talos, they rlly need a strong ally
i personaly believe the last TES will be a full out war against Oblivion, Nirn Vs Daedric Princes
so they will need every bit of power they can get
I think Akatosh has first dibs, since he is the one that blessed Dovahkiin with the soul and blood of a dragon.
I mean if the other people like in oblivion want to use game mechanics as an excuse then we can do the same pfff. he not weak not by a long shot. By lore he basically on demigod standards, maybe not a full god, but he up there for sure. I mean eh, immortality doesn't mean much considered immortals have died to mortals before doesn't matter how strong you are and unkillable immortals can still be defeated by strength alone which the last dragonborn has demonstrated at least twice. The game just can't show the last dragonborn true potential, he be busted if it allows those lack of "limitations" in game. The question we should be asking is if he one of thee strongest tbh.
in the main theme song it says the dragon born has the power to rival the sun
The Dragonborn is at the very least planet level when scaled against Alduin. If Alduin eats the entire Aurbis every Kalpa then the Dragonborn would be more like solar system level at the minimum and possibly infinite if the Aurbis is infinite (that's probably not the case but is still a valid argument). Even if we ignore Alduin we can scale the Dragonborn to Miraak who split Solstheim off from the mainland and Clavicus Vile who says you are almost as strong as he is which depending on the size of his realm could make you at least small planetary.
You obviously didn’t watch the video Dragonborn is outerversal
@@itchn1474
Bullshit. None of the characters could even be described as being beyond universal. The Dragonborn is at best universal. The only possibly outerversal character is Anu depending on how you define what's going on with the kalpic cycle.
@@MultiSpeedMetal Aludin destroyed timelines. TIMELINES. And db killed aludin Meaning db is capable of doing what aludin did
@@cowkillere9889 Yeah that's where things get confusing. What does it mean to destroy time? Time is the process of change and change can't happen without matter. Can time be described as being made of some substance that can be destroyed? It seems to me Alduin eats all matter and just resets things back the same starting point, like setting up dominoes. Can Alduin eat the space between things or even more conceptual abstract entities? Things like Anu and Padomay and the godhead are beyond even Alduin and are truly outerversal. Alduin is also still subject to the limits of time considering he got thrown into the future with an elder scroll and couldn't do shit about it. So elder scrolls are stronger than both Alduin and the Dragonborn.
@@MultiSpeedMetal Db proceeds to use console commands
Okay, scaling rant, here we goooooo~
The Amulet of Kings has been used numerous times to empower mortals enough to singlehandedly *slaughter* Daedric Gods, even in their true forms or in their own Planes of Oblivion, and the Amulet of Kings isn’t the only Aedric artifact to show this kind of power, Auriel’s Bow wields the power to permanently blot out the Sun, which is literally Magnus’ bridge between Mundus and Aetherius, and no, Aetherius is not High Hyperversal/Infinite Dimensional, it’s beyond that, The Planes of Oblivion and the Plane(t)s surrounding Nirn are
But Aetherius completely encapsulates Oblivion and all of its infinite realms, which are *at* *least* infinite-dimensional/high-hyperversal, but like the other man said, the Ideal Masters are stated to be their own Platonic Ideal, if that’s true and they are a True Platonic Ideal, then that makes them Outerversal, which would make the Daedra Lords and their Planes Outerversal as well via scaling, which would then make Aetherius Outerversal+
(not High-Outerversal as although Aetherius does encapsulate and transcend Outerversal Planes, there is no evidence that Aetherius transcends the framework/the hierarchy whereby Outerversal status is determined in TES)
Btw, if this scaling chain is indeed true
(if the Ideal Masters are their own True Platonic Ideals)
This would definitively make CHIM a High-Outerversal state
But even if the Ideal Masters aren’t True Platonic Ideals
(and I think they are, I believe the people at Bethesda have more than proven their deep understanding of Philosophy and Philosophical Principles, enough that we could take them seriously when they say that something is a Platonic Ideal)
Aetherius still encapsulates and transcends an infinite number of High 1-B structures, which would make Aetherius at least Low 1-A
So Auriels Bow can affect *at* *least* Low 1-A structures but *probably* 1-A+ structures
The Heart of Lorkhan (an Aedra) gave the Tribunal enough power to face down and banish Mehrunes Dagon
The Eye of Magnus (the Architect of Mundus), had to be quarantined outside of the Aurbis entirely by the Psijic Order and the Staff of Magnus was the only artifact in all of Skyrim that could possibly prevent this
(Psijics reside in realms beyond even Aetherius, which do indeed qualify for a High-Outerversal ranking if the Ideal Masters are True Platonic Ideals, or Outerversal if they are not, as they are beyond the Aurbis entirely, although that’s not to say the Psijics are High-Outerversal individually, the fact that they made such realms is proof that they are High-Outerversal collectively and is a testament to their power)
Also, Alduin literally created the Daedra Lord Mehrunes Dagon in the 7 Fights of the Aldudagga, and is listed as Low 2-C at Vsbattles.com, so they are just hilariously unreliable for TES Scaling
I’d love to hear y’all’s thoughts on this rant of mine, I went down more than a few rabbit holes as often happens when one starts talking about TES Lore and Cosmology
Agree that vswiki scaling is pretty bad.
@@godclothshango1194
I think it’s really good sometimes, and really bad in others, for instance, I think they did great in their analyzing and powerscaling of Marvel Comics and Shin Megami Tensei, and a mostly good job of DC (with notable exceptions), but a really, particularly horrendous job with the Marvel Cinematic Universe, TES, The Cthulhu Mythos, LOTR, Narnia, etc
They’re definitely not the ultimate unquestionable authority on character and verse scaling that so many people think they are
@@justinroyalty389 what's wrong with there lotr?
@@godclothshango1194
Their scaling via the Timeless Halls and the world outside of Eá is massively lowballed, the way it’s described and the way the world looks from its vantage point is pretty much identical to what the world would look like from the 5th dimensional perspective, in short, I really don’t think that Eru and the Ainur are Low 2-C to 2-C, I think they’re more like at least Low 1-C
But then that’s just my opinion, I could be wrong
P.S. On second thought, I don’t think that they did a “horrendously bad job” with LOTR, I think they did bad with the true forms of the Ainur and Eru, but were pretty much spot on with everybody else
@@godclothshango1194 I am at least High 1-B or Low 1-A for beating Numidium twice!
I have to speak up and say that I disagree with the end conclusion. If the Dragonborn was high hyperversal and outerversal there would be nothing stopping him at all.
Also we don't fully know how powerful the Daedric Princes are in powerscaling terms and we cannot trust what Vs Battle Wiki saids they are highly untrustworthy.
We know the eight Divines are weaker then the Daedric Princes due to most of their power being gone at this point of time. As for Auri'el's Bow only because it draws power from Aetherius doesn't make it infinite dimensional that's overstating and overestimating it. We don't even know how big Aetherius is as a cosmic realm itself or how far away it is by a dimensional standpoint.
That's actually not true.
The vestige using fractions of the power of the 8 divines was able to rip molag bal a new one inside his own realm with ease. They are weakened but they are much much stronger than the deadric princes.
In one of the game guides is literally stated that the ideal masters who are an bootleg deadric prince is an Platonic Ideal which would make them at least outerversal already. Scaling is also a thing, the dragonborn could be outerversal for all we know and it wouldn't affect the powerscale, the deadric princes would just be a higher tier of outerversal than the dragonborn. The higher tiers tend to be the biggest because they throw numbers out the window, it's not quantifiable how powerful something is when it's above Multiversal+
@@riel7387 The Aedra are weaker than the deadra. It is litterally a fact, like what?
@@rohhsand3044
No, it’s literally not, and it’s demonstrated multiple times throughout the series, The Amulet of Kings has been used numerous times to empower mortals enough to singlehandedly *slaughter* Daedric Gods, even in their true forms or in their own Planes of Oblivion, and the Amulet of Kings isn’t the only Aedric artifact to show this kind of power, Auriel’s Bow wields the power to permanently blot out the Sun, which is literally Magnus’ bridge between Mundus and Aetherius, and no, Aetherius is not High Hyperversal/Infinite Dimensional, it’s beyond that, The Planes of Oblivion and the Plane(t)s surrounding Nirn are
But Aetherius completely encapsulates Oblivion and all of its infinite realms, which are *at* *least* infinite-dimensional/high-hyperversal, but like the other man said, the Ideal Masters are stated to be their own Platonic Ideal, if that’s true and they are a True Platonic Ideal, then that makes them Outerversal, which would make the Daedra Lords and their Planes Outerversal as well via scaling, which would then make Aetherius Outerversal+
(not High-Outerversal as although Aetherius does encapsulate and transcend Outerversal Planes, there is no evidence that Aetherius transcends the framework/the hierarchy whereby Outerversal status is determined in TES)
Btw, if this scaling chain is indeed true
(if the Ideal Masters are their own True Platonic Ideals)
This would definitively make CHIM a High-Outerversal state
But even if the Ideal Masters aren’t True Platonic Ideals
(and I think they are, I believe the people at Bethesda have more than proven their deep understanding of Philosophy and Philosophical Principles, enough that we could take them seriously when they say that something is a Platonic Ideal)
Aetherius still encapsulates and transcends an infinite number of High 1-B structures, which would make Aetherius at least Low 1-A
So Auriels Bow can affect *at* *least* Low 1-A structures but *probably* 1-A+ structures
The Heart of Lorkhan (an Aedra) gave the Tribunal enough power to face down and banish Mehrunes Dagon
The Eye of Magnus (the Architect of Mundus), had to be quarantined outside of the Aurbis entirely by the Psijic Order and the Staff of Magnus was the only artifact in all of Skyrim that could possibly prevent this
(Psijics reside in realms beyond even Aetherius, which do indeed qualify for a High-Outerversal ranking if the Ideal Masters are True Platonic Ideals, or Outerversal if they are not, as they are beyond the Aurbis entirely, although that’s not to say the Psijics are High-Outerversal individually, the fact that they made such realms is proof that they are High-Outerversal collectively and is a testament to their power)
Also, Alduin literally created the Daedra Lord Mehrunes Dagon in the 7 Fights of the Aldudagga, and is listed as Low 2-C at Vsbattles.com, so they are just hilariously unreliable for TES Scaling
@@justinroyalty389 I feel like you have misinterpreted some stuff from the lore.
1. the defenition of aedra is «our ancesters». They are the spirits that sacrificed their POWER to make the world.
The daedra are «not our ancestors». The spirits that didnt give up any POWER, and remained at full strength.
2. You mention that aedric artifacts like the Amulet of kings (created from lorkhans blood) and the the heart of lorkhan have been used to absolutely destroy princes.
Now what you dont seem to know/forgot to write was how significant of an aedra Lorkhan is. He is the Soul of the Soul of PADOMEY. His artifacts are not some random artifact like Dibellas Brush of true paint.
He is arguably AKAs equal so ofcourse his artifacts are gonna be impressive.
3. Not once has the player character or any mortal managed to defeat a Daedric prince without them having a huge disadvantage.
Mehrunes Dagon defeated by martin septim(he was on mundus which makes him super weakened + he fought akatosh)
The vestige using the Amulet of kings
(made of lorkhans blood, blessed by all the divines+akatosh) completly and utterly destroyed Molag bal
(except the vestige was actually also empowered by miridia, another prince. I have also heard that where you defeat him is the Middle of nirn and coldharbour, not his realm completly.)
Mehrunes getting bent over by almalexia and seth ( it was on mundus and almalexia was still badly wounded)
4. This is a smart thing to remember if you didnt already know:
On mundus=Daedra weak, Aedra strong.
Anywhere else=Daedra strong, Aedra weak.
5. Lastly, Its important to remember that the lore is meant to be contradictory and confusing. This is because most storys and perspectives of things in TES are from mortals pov.
Thats why the lore cant be taken literally all the time. And thats why we both are probably wrong in a lot of places concerning this.
Anyway hope i clarified that yes Deadra are infact stronger than the aedra (but maybe not akatosh)
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Aside from your 5th point, which I think is certainly true, just about everything else seems wrong to me
1. The Aedra didn’t sacrifice their raw/combat power to make the world, they sacrificed their bodies/Plane(t)s and immortality hence why Lorkhan could die, what they really gave up was direct control over their creations, Daedra Lords have absolute dominion over all other creatures on their Plane, but this is not the case with the Aedra, at no point ever is it stated that the Aedra are more powerful in Mundus in the same way that Daedra are more powerful on their own Planes, this is because all the creatures and peoples of Mundus exist independently from the Divines and their influence, if all the Divines were to die, the Mundus would continue to exist regardless, in this way, the Divines are less “powerful”, that is, less in control of their own creations, but they’re still extremely mighty
Fundamentally, The Daedra chose to make worlds that were not “free” but were enslaved to their wills, they chose not to make worlds that were apart from them, they laughed at the Divines because they chose to give up their immortality, and control over their own creation, not their raw might, power is a very subjective term, it comes in many forms, in the case of the creation of Mundus it seems evident to me that what the Divines gave up was control, not their raw power
2. I agree about Lorkhan in particular being an extraordinarily powerful spirit, one of only three beings ever considered to be or directly called the King of Spirits, the other of course being Aka, and then Magnus, and yes, it seems that it is always these three’s artifacts that have these particularly insane feats, but even so this doesn’t really detract from the feats themselves, I never said that each Aedra was more powerful than each Daedra, I just said that Aedra aren’t actually weaker in power than Daedra, and that Aedra make-up some of the most powerful spirits there are, which is true, as of the six most powerful Et’Ada in TES, three of them are Aedra, one is basically an Aedra but also sort of not, one is a particularly Anuic Daedra, and the last is the Queen of Spirits and the true Ur-Dra/Original Daedra, these of course being Aka, Shor/Lorkhan, Trinimac, Magnus, Jyggalag, and Namira
Another spirit, which I think is some very hard proof that just because you’re bound to Mundus and/or sacrificed immortality/control doesn’t actually make you less powerful, is the HoonDing, which is even less than an Aedra, it’s an Ehlnofey/Earth Bone, which is basically a lesser Aedra, they don’t even have Plane(t)s, and if you know anything about the HoonDing, you know it’s an absurdly powerful force
3. Mehrunes Dagon was not weakened on Mundus during the Oblivion Crisis, quite the opposite in fact he was at his full power, hence why Akatosh struggled somewhat in banishing him, he won of course, but it wasn’t utterly one sided, he was wounded enough that he was bleeding and gasping for breath by the end of it
Also, the Vestige wasn’t empowered by anyone other than Akatosh, the other divines didn’t empower him and Lorkhan didn’t either, The Amulet of Kings is made of Lorkhans crystallized blood, but Lorkhan is dead, The Amulet of Kings isn’t Lorkhans artifact any more than Ebony is, The Amulet of Kings is a conduit through which Aka can project his power without putting himself at mortal risk (at least it was, before Aka sacrificed the Amulet and Martin in order to make the Veil permanent during the Oblivion Crisis, making the Dragonfires obsolete), the Amulet of Kings is a prize, Aka’s prize for successfully besting Lorkhan in the Dawn War, and Meridia only had any real power in that tiny pocket city and the most she could do was hold Molag Bal off long enough for the Vestige to actually use the Amulet, Meridia didn’t actually damage him at all, or empower the Vestige, she was a distraction and/or meat(spirit?) shield, so in that way yes the Vestige had help beyond Aka, but Aka was the only power source that the Vestige actually tapped into in order to defeat Molag Bal
4. Daedra are *usually* weaker on Mundus, but this was not the case during the Oblivion Crisis, it is directly stated multiple times throughout the game that Mehrunes Dagon would have his full power at his disposal if he successfully incarnated before Aka could restore the “Veil” between Mundus and Oblivion, and the Daedra aren’t more powerful than the Aedra “anywhere else”, they’re only more powerful than *most* Aedra inside of their own Plane of Oblivion, and even then, some Aedra are *so* powerful that it doesn’t even matter, as proven during the Planemeld, some Aedra are potent enough to brutally dominate even the god of brutality and domination on their own turf
Bottomline, respect the Aedra, the Spirits of Mundus have successfully fended off the Daedric Gods for over 5000 years, sometimes on their own turf, sometimes on the enemy’s turf, sometimes at an advantage, sometimes at a massive disadvantage, sometimes on neutral ground, regardless, the Aedra keep pulling through, they’re not weak, they’re not weaker, they’re disadvantaged sure, they’re mortal and they don’t have direct control over the people of Mundus, but they’re not weak, they’re very, very strong, they’re just forced to play the defensive on an ongoing basis, and given how well they’ve done I think the answer is pretty clear
But yeah, either of us could be right or wrong overall, TES is purposefully esoteric and mythological, it’s part of its charm, but judging off of what evidence exists, I think there’s a lot of evidence that suggests that I’m right about this
I'm looking forward to seeing how powerful they make the es6 protagonist
god the pronounciation of nirn 😂 ITS KILLING ME INSIDE 😂😂😂
Yes
If we count glitches like restoration potion glitch or the prison equipment glitch then the dragonborn would be broken
Technically, TLD only obtained things from the 3 main quest-lines... No Daedric items or anything like that, hes not The Listener, Thief Guild Master or anything other...
I mean thats only lore wise, game wise sure u can be whatever u want, but even then u will realize that in the main questlines people refer to you as the Dragonborn (in Dawnguard Durhneviir recognizes u as a dovah)
While in other quest-lines u are just... some guy.. Basically, Dragonborn has no daedric items except the ones he obtained from Herma Mora..
Boundless with Auriel Bow🗿
Dragonborn>Daedras
Wish the first dragon shout felt lore accurate instead of making it do damage equivalent to an iron dagger…..with a long ass cooldown
I'm glad there's a reliable scaling for TES. Vs battles can't give me jack shit.
Vs battles lowballed LDB, Alduin and Miraak too much.
@@gerleifrenferd8587 At least, they acknowledge that The Elder Scrolls is among the top, most powerful verses. Spacebattles are the worst for downplaying.
@@zurinarctus1329 fair enough, yes. There's also All fiction battles wiki where they scaled them right. They could also be 1B if Nirn is a 16D construct.
@@gerleifrenferd8587 wait the dragonborn is a 16d being??!?!
@@JoeMama-ro4wn even a mudcrab is 16D
Can you do daggerfall, neravine and hero of kvatch?
Sure, i's working on tiber Septim right now but will get to them soon.
Have you done a scale on Zeedmillenumon?
Yes
Do you perhaps have dislexia?
Really good i like it
Got rescaled to infinite 1S
Nice
I think last dragonborn is stronger then molag ball maybe equal to mahrunez dagon but not stronger then sheagorath. So last dragonborn stronger then any other daedric princess except sheagorath.
Nope, you have missed how huge of a gap it is between the dragonborn and the daedric princes
@@rohhsand3044 alduin is literally god and you kill him easily. There is so much theories that last dragonborn is partly akatosh or something. But to put simply; daedric princess don’t have too much power on nirn. Not like in their dimensions. So in nirn dragonborn probably stronger then many of the daedric princess.
@@N0Tsoftware He is stated to be half as powerful as a Daedric Prince on mundus. The dragonborn is powerful, but he is just a demigod
@@N0Tsoftware alduin isn't technically a God, but is too powerful for any mortal not blessed with the dragon blood, but deadric princes can erase almost anything if inclined to, so no...
@@submissionsniperfan Based on Elsweyr ESO, Alduin is a God that rivals Lorkhan. As we know, Lorkhan is more powerful than all Daedric Princes. Boethiah and Hircine considered Lorkhan as their teacher. Alduin is Alkhan, a time God that is a part of Akha.
I was going to make a video putting him against Steve from Minecraft Steve is small city level the dragon born us a hyperversale so that was a dumb idea
Bruh, Steve is OP.
Steve dies from a building level explosion he is no match at all
@@markosgelos3321 Steve dies for the sake of fairness. All mobs could only carry 1 item. Not counting the armor that they could wear, and the Villager's inventory. They only pick up food items unless Steve all mighty has a way to go in their inventory.
This is the same person that can infinite shulker stack full shulker stack worth blocks of gold and have that same infinite shulker stack hit a zombie with a strength that Steve was only punching it using his fists. Not overly crushing the Zombie at all from the infinite weight of the infinite shulker stack that is far heavier than the entire universe.
I would say with all the magic, shouts, magical weapons, enchanting, enchanted armour, health and mana regeneration all the perks, reality bending, manipulation the dragonborn may be one of the most powerful characters to ever exist to the point where he could stand shoulder to shoulder with the top tier DC/Marvel universe characters.
I'm talking something around 3C or even 2C power scales. The magic ability alone is beyond anything ever seen. in any fictional characters. Knowing 100 spells, 27 Dragon Shouts makes him the most powerful magician I've ever heard of.
If scaled high enough his regeneration ability can make the dragonborn immortal being a vampire can make him have eternal life
The physical durability of the dragonborn is at least Island level
The magical durability of the dragonborn places him in invincibility level as the dragonborn can completely absorb or deflect magical attacks with enchantments making him completely invulnerable.
Using the Become Ethereal shout puts the Dragonborns durability to immortal level as nothing can harm him.
His destruction level fluctuates from city level to multiverse level as he has the power to completely alter time and can freeze time on his entire planet and completely alter and change reality. Can cause massive area of destruction with magic and Thu'um
His speed can fluctuate from avg human to hyper sonic or even faster than light speed as he can freeze time and alter reality.
Range attacks are limited to his casting. Lighting travels at lightspeed. A bolt stretching nearly 800 kilometres (500 miles) is the current world record. It's safe to say if the dragonborn were to be elevated high enough he could strike targets 500 miles away.
Thu'um range is Hyperversal
Intelligence: I would at least put him at demigod tier
Fictional characters the Dragonborn could beat? Hypothetically let's put the Dragonborn in the DBS Tournament of Power I honestly think he would have a greater than 90% chance to beat everyone all at once.
They take his weapons away before the tournament, no problem he can summon a bound sword, so who cares, or even summon a Secret Servant who carries all his items and weapons, which is in the acceptable confines of the tournament rules as long as he's using his own power. I mean, he doesn't even need a sword so who cares, or items in that matter.
Anyways
Wow some of these guys are really fast and super strong. Freeze time and alter reality. disable every opponent in sight within the one second mark. Or, use manipulation magic and murder people without them even wanting to fight back, hell they'll even stand in line for it. It sounds like an exaggeration, but the dragonborns magic exceeds any fictional power level in the DBS universe even if his magical ability isn't universal, his Thu'um is. Within one second every fighter will be caught off guard and we all know what that means right? In the DBS universe if you're caught off guard your power level is 0. Just a normal mortal. However, in a scenario where even the strongest character is able to land a hit on the dragonborn it wouldn't matter as his regeneration ability can be tweaked to an immortal level. The motherfucker can literally be dead and he has a once a day spell that makes him resurrect himself from death...
Say he gets hit by a kamahamaha wave point blank. In this scenario the Dragonborn tanks it and doesn't sell the hit and gets off of the ground like the Undertaker in WWE and gives Goku a chokeslam from off the top ropes and goes for the 1,2,3 count.
goku surpasses time and is muti universal lvl so no dragonborn cannot beat Ol goku
@@delaneycharlie4521hyperversal is stronger then multversal..,.
Can you scale him with elden ring bosses?
Spoiler: his thu’um would destroy them
@@thestormkage fr
@@theghost5609 nah fr thu’um is busted 😭
Some people say that LDB is High 1-B (with Aedric and Daedric artifacts) power-level, and since i cannot trust vsbattles.com scaling, i found another site and these links:
all-fiction-battles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Dovahkiin
all-fiction-battles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:TOAAPRESENCE1/Prisoners_shenanigans
all-fiction-battles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:TOAAPRESENCE1/TES_magic.
EDIT: for explanation about thu'um I adding this:
all-fiction-battles.fandom.com/wiki/Tonal_Manipulation
Vs Battles wikia will upgrade LDB because Alduin has been confirmed being on par with Lorkhan (before Mundus creation). This new info comes from ESO Elsweyr.
low outer at least
Prime Last Dragonborn probably could even rival some daedric princes (Vile said that when he had half of his power the dragonborn was on his lvl, thats is not even prime dragonborn) maybe become a literal god like Talos, but he's still powerless against a kid
I can't disagree with anything said even though the pronunciation of the names was all over the place lol (it's a pet peeve but its fine) also if the dragon born is the leader of every faction he won't have the skeleton key cause he returns it after defeating Mercer
Nice to hear and trying to get better with the names.
Is it your accent that made you pronounce it Nelouth
AND NYRIN????
@@jaeshungibson2379 Yes but Nyrin thing was just a mistake and not wanting to edit after reading a lot of text straight.
@@godclothshango1194 oh then my apologies I sincerely thought you were trolling me at that point
@@jaeshungibson2379 lol
Say the deadric names right goddamn
No
@@godclothshango1194 .... mkay?
@@vikingsmidy8366 joking will try in the future.
@@godclothshango1194 now ur making me feel bad for the comment 😂
Can he kill mui goku
Yes
commenting for algorithm
Telling those plsntonic concepts i say he’s boundless
Concepts do not qualify for boundless, and the only concepts that qualify for outerversal are space, time and dimensionality.
@@sunnya.07you have to read the lore of the game honestly but this is way wrong
@@sunnya.07mainly the aurabis
Outerversal
@@AnxiousCinderdestroying main concepts doesn't make one boundless, it makes them low outer at best
I disagree. Oblivion is NOT a high hyperversal realm. The quote people refer to actually says "dimensions" as in UNIVERSES, not "dimensions" like height, width, or depth. However, I would say the Dragonborn is multiversal. This is because Alduin could eat time, which even permeates the realms of Oblivion, although the Daedra are not bound by it. In addition, Auriel's bow was a weapon of the Aedra Auriel himself and is capable of blowing up a large part of Aetherius.
Dimensions in TES is almost never used in reference to other universes, the words “realm” and “plane” are used instead. There is no reason to think that the word dimensions suddenly refers to universes, when TES already has the concept of higher dimensions.
@@rohhsand3044 It's laughably stupid to assume "dimension" means whatever you want it to be just because other words are already used to refer to universes/worlds/etc. There are literally zero concrete mentions of higher dimensions in TES specifically about realms infinitely superior to lower ones. I dont know why you're acting as if this usage of the word "dimension" is in such common use.
@@yekkub9425 you’d be right if that’s all they gave us. Things like the sigil stone are referred to as extra dimension artifacts that are needed to travel to oblivion.
They also use the term “angles” and “directions” or hyperagonal alot which is what a dimension is. X amount of directions/axis in space.
Know that there are places beyond Tamriel where the cunning and the wary can go to learn forgotten spells. I speak of the planes of Oblivion. The sea of limitless dimensions contains an endless series of islands. Some are controlled by the mighty Daedric Princes; others are loosely connected to one minor Daedra Lord or another. On these islands, creatures' dwell who possess secrets out of time. Some are there of their own volition, but others are banished there for crimes either heinous or imagined.”
Transliminal passage of quickened objects or entities without the persistent agency of hyperagonal media is not possible, and even if possible, would result in instantaneous retromission of the transported referents. Only a transpontine circumpenetration of the limen will result in transits of greater than infinitesimal duration.”
Augur of the Obscure: "Did I? Does an oblate cogni-form have infinite angles? Please don't hurt yourself. The answer is yes. It was great. The sights, the smells, the incessant jangle of all your gear on my face. Dream come true, mate!"
Augur of the Obscure: "I've got to admit, I'm a little thrown off by the aesthetic, mate. No un-paintings, less than a thousand angles, hardly any transliminal spheroids…. I don't know. I'd give it a soft "adequate." "
The sensation of traveling to a daedric real is “like falling - not down, but in all directions at once. The moons were gone, and in their place a ceiling of smoke and ash. Stifling heat surrounded them and the air stank with sulfur and hot iron. They stood on black lava, and lakes of fire stretched off before them.”
"The Aurbis is an infinite construct which manifests all possibility containing infinite layers, with the Infinite-Dimensional Void of Oblivion which dwarfs the Multiverse of Mundus being encompassed by Aetherius being but a small realm in it, as well as infinite realms beyond”
SO no. It’s talking about spatial dimensions. Falling at every angle or from infinite angles and needing extra dimension or “hyperangle” artifacts from oblivion to travel there. There are also other examples of Oblivion being a Higher-Dimensional Expanse, such as the text Liminal Bridges, which states that “Hyperagonal” media is necessary to travel through Mundus and Oblivion, and to open portals between both realms that last more than an infinitesimally-small amount of time. So yes. There’s a plethora of evidence to suggest it’s talking about spatial dimensions.
Augur Of The Obscure: A breach near the sea! I do love the ocean. It's a shame you can only see in three dimensions. All the quasi-tones and inverse number-forms .... Actually, I take it back?your meat-brain would explode if you saw this.
- Summerset Online
@@tperfectorganism4520 You just typed one of the most stupid comments I have ever read. "Directions" are NOT equivalent to dimensions. A 2 dimensional compass has 8 directions/angles (W, SW, S, SE, E, NE N, NW). Does that mean it is actually 8 dimensional? In fact, it has an infinite amount of angles if you count all the values in between (Ex: 0.01 degrees, pi degrees, e degrees, root 2 degrees, 90 degrees). No. This is a stupid idea.
Additionally, "hyperagonal" is not even a real word. You cannot make your own assumptions about what it means and pretend the text actually says that.
The quote about Oblivion being an "Infinite-Dimensional Void" is not real. Only one unofficial source uses it for their bullshit scaling. They must've accidentally put quotes around that, and your dumb ass took it as meaning that it's a real quote.
@@yekkub9425 you just strawmanned me into oblivion and committed multiple ad-hom over a simple disagreement. Congratulations ape. Anyways hyperangle means exactly what they said it means in the wall of text I left. You ignoring all evidence and committing a invincible ignorance fallacy. If oblivion is extra dimensional, stated that have “infinite angles”, and falling at all directions at once, etc. it’s pretty clear what they are talking about to anyone with a Brain who’s not some ape in denial. Wonder what the evidence presented is more likely to suggest? That’s it’s an extra dimensional plane of existence that refers to dimensions/axis as angles OR ignore all of that to say that its referring to universes… which makes no sense. Hyperangle and “direction” or hyperangonal means exactly what the context established means. Use your brain. Stop being coy and actually analyze the context.
Nerevar and HoK victim
Children >>>>>>>>>>> dragon born.
Change my mind.
The Last Dragonborn is in pure destructive power basicly in my opinion able to level about a big strong rock with iron ect mountain. Meaning Above city level destruction but not planet devestation level moon i can't say for sure. And with this i mean in short time not taking hours and hours to destroy something. Now in Skill level i would say Captain America Would be defeated in pure skill, same with Hawkeye and Black Widow. Thor in infinity war i can't say for sure but thor in end game yes. I am talking pure skill Remember he is maxed in ways of Assasin, Thief, Warrior, Mage, Priest, Ritualist, I believe he would either be born in the Sign of Warrior, Serpent, Thief or The Mage. Serpent because of dragonborn, warrior because same and Thief if you think about his skills ect in beginning rather than brute force, And The Mage if ESO has some kind of reality law that only born in signs of Mage can become a mage, i do not think there is such but just in case. Continue now in Endurance of fighting i would say only Thor could hope in infinity war level would be able to keep up. Naruto between Shippuuden start and before loosing his arm might but i can't say for sure. If we take maximal strenght i think Hulk and Thor would overpower in raw strenght, Dragonborn is strong yes but he isn said to throw boulders for fun with his hands. Captain America could possibly get even with the last dragonborn or just barely win that. In terms of Magical power Doctor strange would put up a good fight but most likely loose in terms of pure power. Were wanda maximoff would loose in skill. remember this is End Game Were talking Strange without infinity stone and Wanda proving herself of almost kicking down Thanos. Now would Dragonborn kill Thanos? I would say yes without a doubt, Thanos is strong etc but he is not in End Game or infinity war itself, shown to be able to block lightning or walk through a lightning strike from thor. And this is not Thor at full power lightning strike compared to when he hit his older sister Hela at Asgard tbh. So with that said would Thor win vs Dragonborn? my answear would be no, not even Thor infinity war with his hammer aswell. Now i know many fanboys and fangirls would want to say i am stupid etc but listen here, Thor is not thanos, he can't tank as hard as thanos can and Thanos can't shoot lightning etc, even with his 5-6 infinity stones MCU thanos is no match for Dragonborn because there is no 'Tanking' said weapons when they are hitting your eyes going through your skull or better through the mouth. Thanos would underestimate Dragonborn and thus he would die before he gets to use any of the stones. Only by using the Snap would he possibly win, but also remember the stones is not HIS OWN POWER. So remove them and he litteraly is only a physically tanky strong guy without any magic or special powers. Hulk beat him up but lost because hulk stopped if hulk had never stopped hulk would have won. Dragonborn would not fight to beat but to KILL and thats wastly different. Thor and Captain America doesn liv on Kill or Kill mentality same way as Dragonborn. In Skyrim its basicly kill or be killed. In MCU there is less killing more lock em up in the prison scotty mentality. Thor MIGHT have enough kill or kill but the fact is if you check how he acted during End Game he was more passive than in Infinity War he was not out to murder Thanos as much compared to when he litteraly lived with red eyes. Dragonborn in kill or be killed would win. If they are sparring then i think it would become either a draw or Dragonborn would hold back too much and get his ass wopped. But in Kill or be killed its Dragonborn who wins. Against Iron Man i think Tony would Lose to be honest, i am pretty sure he would put up a nice fight fly around shoot bullets ect and wound dragonborn but dragonborn can break his armor. Then Iron Man is toast. Spider-man i think this could be a Challenge duo to the Spider-sense but peter is too much of a nice kid to win honestly. Wolverine? I think Dragonborn would win, Wolverine is good but he doesn have any armor sadly even with his enchanced healing he still needs a head and isn as strong physically as CAP or Thor. His Claws are strong would most likely block the blade but a fus and he loose his footing or a strong overpowering smell to make him loose focus and a swing with a sword and he is without his head. Would Carol Danvers win? I say no. But She has the force of a star at her command And Dragonborn is said to rival the Strenght of the Sun. Sure Thor took the full force of a star for a while without his Axe or Hammer but it was not for a long time. While Caron Danvers in terms of Power putput can continue to beam said sunshine for a much longer time. I do think however Dragonborn would win but it would most likely be more duo to Skill and Versability than Pure power or strenght. The Last Dragonborn has a FUCK TON of abilities, weapons, and greatly enhanced armors not to mention his shouts that is also not just pure strenght but versability in many ways and form, ice fire, invisibility intanglebility, etc and to be honest we don't know if the game listed all possible shouts for the player, all we know it could have come short by a lot remember shouts are Dragon Language and it is a Language. Meaning New Shouts could also possibly be made in time. Would Naruto win? I think yes, would Goku and Vegeta win? lets say Goku vs Vegeta first fight and basicly both are there planetary destroyers so yes they would. Krillin? During Namek Saga he gets empowered over 10.000 power level and thats planetary level. Would Cloud Strife win from ff7? No, Squall from FF8? No, would they with Summons win? It is Possible with certain summons in ff7 and ff8. Clouds ultimate limitbreak is powerfull but remember Dragonborn could just make a shout like fus and it would be interrupted. Or become unable to take damage physical etc damage by going into like spirit world or whatever it does. Would Aizen and Ichigo win? Yes i think they would not easily but yes, would most captains win? I think yes, Zaraki and certain 11 squad members might loose but anyone with kido and shunpo and high enough power output could possible win.
Let me be clear. Dragonborn is not Planet destroyer, he is not Country Destroyer. You can say Mountain or Small Island yes but not much more. And some Characters like Bleach or Naruto is either too fast or in Naruto's case able to spamm clones and wear him down by damage. Goku and Vegeta is planet level destroyers. Thanos alone do not wreck a planet he can kill a whole planet of its inhibitants with his tech hunt them down and all but that is it. Thor Could possible depending on how powerful his Axe is vs the armor of dragonborn win if he gets a clean shot but thats if. Remember Also if one person fights to Kill the other not it becomes MUCH HARDER for the 2 guy/girl.
@@christianselberg1443 Dovahkiin is multiversal to hyperversal level.
@@christianselberg1443 bro he’s multiversal do you even know the lore?
@@superduck3519 is seems that he just considered the gameplay, and not the lore
@@christianselberg1443 Dragonborn solos Dragonball easy and dont even come up with Naruto lmao and btw he would actually blitz all of them since he can keep up with alduin who has infinite speed
I cant absorb A Dragon Soul only Demon Souls smh jk i wouldnt do em like that they cool and good fights tbh. Always packing some heat but I can absorb knowledge directly from Dragons that I kill. Learn more about my surroundings cosmicly speaking Dragons get around a lot.
By lore almost it seems like the dragonborn is the strongest being in existence, that part of lore is what I consider nord w*** and a massive exaggeration.
Personally anyone with alteration magic could just get rid the db's vocal cords and then the db would be screwed.
I think doing something that specific and precise with alteration magic would be incredibly difficult so very few mages could attempt to remove somebodies vocal cords and the Dragonborn should have some natural resistance to magic so I don't think removing the Dragonborn's vocal cords in a straight fight
Wouldn't work if the db became ethereal
@@Chose_to_live can't stay like that forever and while ethereal the DB can't do anything either without dispelling it. So just wait and then use alteration magic.
@@arvathi then bam paralyze and bend will
@@arvathi and let's say our db so happens to be a Breton, he could just use dragon skin or he could even use a ward spell hell he could even have spell breaker, slow time, ice form, or just escape by using a black book though that probably wouldn't work
Oblivion and Morrowind fans are annoying af. Dragonborn is just op so get over it. It doesn't reduce the heroic things of every MC done in the previous ES. It just means Dragonborn is built different.
Who wins; the Dragonborn or final form Sasuke Aizen from Bleach.
Dragonborn one shots
Gear 5 luffy or dragon born
Let's be real in game dragon born solos fiction