Hey subfuries! I'm sorry for such a long video, but elder scrolls lore always has so much to talk about. What do you think will happen to the Last Dragonborn? This "doom" Tsun speaks of seems to drive dovahkiin to great good and great evils or sentence them to die trying as they lose their humanity. I've always wondered what absorbing so many dragon souls would do to a man, so here we are. Hope you enjoyed! 😊 ~ Tim
+Daniel Choate I told Delphine to do it herself if she wanted to and then summoned Durnehviir inside the Blade Headquarters. I never went back cos that way I get to pretend he killed them.
I think it's best exemplified in the dawnguards DLC, where you can fight for your fellow people, or you can leave them behind, choosing to become a predator of men and mer. I have to admit, it's really hard to NOT want to be a vampire, the power you get coupled with the ability to nullify your would be greatest weakness. It's very freaking tempting.
bogustoast22 none yeah, but then I realised being a werewolf didn’t have the extreme cons that being a vampire has, so I just chose werewolf, besides, the laat dovahkiin will have lost his entire mortal side by the time he chose being a vampire because the Dragonborn that truly wants to do good will choose to not be a vampire, but we don’t know the canon of the laat dovahkiin besides the main storyline so... eh.
@@nin2494 you are right, and even the penality of going to the hunt lands would be better than losing your soul Thou i think that Akatosh will have always a greater claim than any daedric lord to your soul as you are a fragment of him.
@@drackestalentorgen166 Look, if Dovahkiin dies, their soul will go to Akatosh because you are basically his incarnation. That cart sequences starts with you waking up but in actuality, you are reborn with soul of Akatosh. That prisoner whom you play as Dragonborn was actually dead but since Akatosh knew that Alduin will appear in Helgen, he took that mortal body for his own purpose and to warn Alduin that if he doesn't mend his ways, there will be consequences. Obviously, Alduin's ego blinded him and well, finally you defeated him. Now, why you didn't able to capture his soul. Simple, Akatosh claimed it for himself. So, similarly, when or if Dovahkiin dies, no Daedra will dare to mess with Akatosh for Dovahkiin's soul because although, it's said that Aedra's are little weaker than Daedra since they gave half of their power to create Nirn and Mundus however, despite so many tries by Daedras, they terribly failed due to Aedra's intervention, just like in Oblivion's crisis. So, what I believe only Aedra's have the power to destroy Nirn and Alduin will return once again when Akatosh will decide that the end of the kulpa is inevitable.
Doom-driven is a reference to Lorkhan (The Name means Doom Drum) and the fact that the Dragonborn as Ysmir is a Shezarrine (a mortal fragment of the Defeated Lorkhan) so when he/she is called Doom-driven by Tsun, it means sent by Shor/Lorkhan to be a Hero for the world and to Liberate Sovngarde from the clutches of Alduin.
@@wtpiv6041 Lorkhan is a Trickster god to Mer, which believe they were tricked into mortality and confined them to Nirn, never to be reunited with the Aedra ("our ancestors"); it's considered a "Good" God by Men since he gave them death and a way to ascend to Aethirius (Where the Magna-Gee, followers of Magnus the Architect of Nirn, escaped). It's a complex matter since every aspect of a God is real, so Akatosh is Auriel and Alduin, while Lorkhan is Shor and Shezzarr. These two, in particular, are the most debated gods in existence, the sole reason the Empire and the Aldmeri Dominion exist and are at the core of what happens in the entire Elder Scrolls Lore. They are the direct incarnation of the two major forces in the universe Order and Chaos, Anu and Padomay, not entities per se, but concepts incarnated into Everything and Nothing (Anui-el and Sithis), which then took consciousness and created Auri-el/Akatosh and Lorkhan/Shezzarr (Time and Space). I won't go into details since this is where every single race has his own idea of the same Deity and it's through worship that they "shape" Order and Chaos themselves and in turn Nirn as a whole.
@@dominiccenteno1233 Yeah, at least that's one theory. Shezarrines are a bit complicated to say the least so a lot of what I said was one of the working theories.
I hadn't noticed the connection of taking power with almost every known Dragonborn but your video makes perfect sense of it, It actually sparked an idea about the future of our character, Obviously Bethesda can't use our character by name but maybe there is a way they can. So, as we know Dragon priests have masks named in the Dragon tongue that give them power beyond usual mortals. I would say that a dragon priest mask isn't just a personal thing, I think Dragon priest masks are more of a title, such as Hevnoraak's "Brutal" or Volsungs "Horror" implying there was something about the people who wore these masks that made them embody these words. Miraak too has Allegience-Guide, personally I cannot make sense of this as I am writing this comment so I'll let whoever is reading do their best as well. However, I think there is one mask that the Last Dragonborn would embody, infact, based on information given in the video, that any Dragonborn is drawn to embody... Konahrik: "Warlord", an almost perfect name for the likes of a dragonborn who multiple times in previous history has been just that, A Warlord who conquered throughout their lifetime. So if Bethesda wanted a twist in the next game referencing the Last Dragonborn by "name", if the circumstances were right, Konahrik, would be near perfect. Congrats if you made it this far, browny points to you
I know a year has gone by. What if the Dragonborn does become Konahrikafter conquering the dragon priests, the last true vestige of dragon influence in the world, and instead of conquering Tamriel like Tiber Septim but destroys it, tears it asunder in a dragon soul fueled madness. He brings the world to its knees not to rule it. And in their wake, the world that is left is one with no empire no dominion, just the land, and its people.
Hmmmm... Dovahkiin Konahrik. Dovahkiin being a surname representing his status as one of the dragon-blood. Konahrik being a personal name representing his actions, deeds, and identity. I like it.
I would name it a dragon word for "final" or "last", maybe "ending" As you are the last dragonborn. You slew the remnants of the dragons, Miraak and Alduin. The dragons are no more and ends with you.
I managed to both follow and understand this whole comment, and it makes perfect sense to me. This seems like an awesome idea, a subtle hint at us in the previous game
Also if you remember Clavicus he says you almost rival him, a Daedric Prince, in power when you ask for power. It shows you'll keep wanting power and to dominate.
A valid point. Though to be fair I believe that when Clavicus Vile says that to you he is still separated from Barbas, who, as is told to us, is the majority of his power in the mortal realm. So Clavicus' full meaning by saying that is a little subjective. But even so rivalling the power of a weakened Daedric Prince absolutely ridiculous.
The Vampire Druid I think if the DB ever went to one of the planes in oblivion, a prince would have trouble killing them. Plus would a prince want to offend akatosh himself by “killing/stealing” away his last child? We are stuck with mora because it was the only way to stop mirrak but he doesn’t have us in death. Plus he lets DB travel between realms on good faith.
You're not stuck with mora whatsoever. He knows he can't eff with a DB because your soul is a shard of time and only a dragon or db can defeat and "kill" him. You've seen how he cowards from Miraak in his own domain. Miraak had the run of the place, took over a part of his own realm smh. So in order to get rid of this problem and stopping Miraak from leaving he pitted another DB (you) against him so that he could get rid of the potential problem permanently. And for fate I was reading a blog post earlier stating that TLD isn't outside of fate and Azura solidify this when speaking to her about her star but my thing is this. Azura clearly was expecting you to return her star to her but the thing is you have the option to take the star back to the elf turning it into the black star meaning that she's wrong and TLB indeed is outside of fate because Azura vision was that you would be the one to return her the star but instead you have the choice to change the fate of the star and sever the star's connection from her.
As I played more and more of Skyrim, I wondered about this topic myself. After all, dragonborn is basically a dragon in a mortal body. I eventually came to the conclusion that as the Dragonborn, you have to resist your Draconic nature.
What's most interesting to me is that Paarthurnax had to understand his nature in order to overcome it. Could the Dragonborn really know how to resist their urge to dominate right away? Or would they first have to understand what it means to succumb to it?
Very interesting video. Though I do agree with all the points you brought up, the orginial/archaic meaning of "Doom" was the same thing as "fate" or "destiny" without the negative "destruction/death" connotations, which developed later. So when he calls you "doom driven" he most likely means that you are pushed onwards by the will of fate i.e. your destiny to battle and defeat Alduin, not necessarily that you are going to lose or destroy yourself (though many legendary heroes do meet a bad end). However every point you made is still true in my eyes. If the Dragonborn is not careful they could suffer the fate of so many before them and go from a legendary hero, to a tragic one.
I was about to comment on this very same thing. HFM, you have a surprisingly on-point comments section. :) As to whether they wrote it this way intentionally or not...it makes sense that Tsun would speak of it like that because of how archaic he is, and we established that the lore guys at Bethesda are mad geniuses, soooo...probably yes? I think?
@@woofergranade2044 yeah imagine Dragonborn riding dragon and leading his army Odaving at left side and they fighting against Aldmeri Dominion those elfs got serious problem
Doubt it most dragonborn never had much of a big history except talos himself and i fear the same goes for him. I'd wager he settled for a quiter life after the game
Skyrim does not go into depth much but it gives you one clear point that I can see: the dragon born shapes history there is one before every major event for instance oblivion or skyrim even, without the dragon born history cannot move forward, the war was a stale mate until you came and sided with the imperials or stormcloaks it stays like that until you go for the quest or look at the dark brotherhood quest you can go months in the game and the dark brotherhood will stay the same the arentino boy still won't get noticed, Cicero does not get his wheel fixed, and the sanctuary does not get destroyed same goes with the thief guild and the college of winter hold and the bards college. The same goes with oblivion with the ending and the main quest
Wow, this seems like fixing a plothole for "open worlds" as they only move forward, when the player does. Being a dov and a splitter of time itself makes therefore "sense".
Actually Bethesda does this thing with their games lore that the events of the games and factions happen even if the player didn't do those questlines. I.E. even though you may not have done the Thieves Guild story in oblivion according to the lore someone still stole an Elder Scroll from the moth priests. Kodlak still gets murdered by the Silver Hand even if the Dragonborn isn't a Companion. Doing the factions quests just cements in the player's head canon that the Dragonborn did those things.
@@MrDiarukia In Elder Scrolls world, every thing is controlled by Akatosh in one way or other because he is God of Time, so it actually makes sense that our heroes are somewhat blessed by Akatosh and Dovahkiin being his reincarnation.
This carries, a lot can happen without player intervention before Oblivion because there are Dragonborn Emperors making things happen. But if you look at Oblivion, you aren't the hero, you're an agent to the hero, a blade in service to Martin the Dragonborn heir to the throne. If it were a game of chess you'd be the Knight while Martin is the king. But until you go and find Martin, nothing happens, as if time has stopped on his behalf, until after you decide to make your way there then the night you get there boom, a gate to Oblivion opens. TES has the wildest universe, fun stuff.
Dragons are Aspects - pieces- of Akatosh, the Dragon God of Time. Alduin is also an Aspect of Akatosh in the role of a destroyer, and since he is also the Firstborn of Akatosh, he is also his own father. If you did a double-take after reading that sentence, trust me when I say that is only the start of the madness that is Akatosh and his many, many split personalities. The whole topic of Akatosh and how utterly broken and batshit insane that particular god is should be the subject of an entire video. It wouldn't surprise me if the mortal Dragonborn's psyche starts to buckle under the strain of having absorbed the immortal souls and power of so many Dovah. Add in a Dovah's inborn will to dominate and accumulate more power, and you've got a ticking time bomb in demigod form.
I've always wondered since we don't actually see the jarls moot for the next High King that there's a possibility that Bethesda will write in the Dragonborn as canon. We know nothing about TES6 but there's so many possible paths for your character it will be extremely hard to reference him/her without a massive retcon.
I think joining every guild and faction becoming leader is all canon Bc Of the achievements of the game are canon so they require to be leader of this by finishing this quest and doing that so technically in canon the Dragonborn is leader of companions TG DB etc thought which isn’t canon is which side you pick in the civil war or joining the dawngaurd/ vampires more than likely the war is still on and the Dragonborn more than likely became a vampire since Bethesda obviously heavily pushed that quest line over the DG but you never know
I would find it pretty odd for the DB to not try for the throne of the Empire via being crowned King of Skyrim. It is a) something he alone can claim as a birth right, and b) something inherent to dragon is to rule over others.
The Dawnguard and Dragonborn dlcs seem to explain the doom driven, and rise to power destiny that the Dragonborn is carving out as we play the game. By saving Solsthieim from Miirack, the Dragonborn has to make a deal with a daedric prince. Pretty much sealing the Dragonborn's fate, unless you're a vampire lord. Which again is another way of being doomed. In order to keep from dying as all mortals do, the Dragonborn sacrifices his, or her mortality. Therefore beating Hermaus Mora at his own game, and ensuring that he or she can still be around to keep Tameriel safe. Well that's how I play the game. My Dragonborn is a good person, who understands the sometimes sacrifices have to be made for the greater good. She didn't become a vampire lord out of lust for power and domination. She did it to stop a tyrant, and to forever be Tameriel's protector even if it's from the shadows.
First, Hermaeus Mora or any Daedra can't do shit if Akatosh himself decides to claim Dovahkiin's soul since they are his reincarnation. Tiber Septim became Talos, not because of his achievements but being born as Dragonborn, his birthright made them eligible to become God with blessings of Akatosh and become a shining example of Humanity's bravery in Nirn. It doesn't matter what you become. Akatosh is God of Time, he will decide and carve Dragonborn's destiny. If he wanted to claim Dovahkiin's soul, no one, I mean, not even the Daedra's will dare to stop him.
The Dragon Born’s personal journey is quite fascinating. For me, he was a petty smuggler who got caught trying to cross the boarder. I generally crafted him as a friendly and charitable person, just someone trying to get by. Yet he became the leader of the Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, and Skyrim’s vampires. During the civil war he sided with the Storm Cloaks as he opposed the Thalmor and thought the Empire had become nothing more than their pawns. From the shadows he ruled Skyrim.
Thinking about it, it does seem very easy for the dovahkin to not only become thane of every hold, but also leader of every guild, and owner of several daedric artefacts.
Even more so, the only plot line where at the end you don't inevitably take some sort of control is the main quest line. But only if you choose to spare Paarthurnax and in doing so presumably deciding to follow the way of the voice as he has. The game quite literally gives you the ability to decide if the dragon born succumbs to the supposed "doom" of their instincts, defeats Paarthurnax and takes dominion over the Blades or chooses to overcome said instincts and live (relatively) peacefully. All this without directly explaining it to the player and yet the decision as to weather or not to kill him is always an interesting prospect. I personally choose to let him live but there's always that question in the back of my mind of "Maybe I should have?" I never really got why the writers of the game would opt to put such a choice in the game until now. I had just passed it off as a way of generating further conflicts of interest but it seemed somewhat out of place had that been the only motivation. Bethesda usually makes very purposeful decisions in their writing and I'm happy to see that this continues to be the case.
I looooove the dragon born. One of the coolest ideas in fantasy. I always imagined the dragon born is considered a hero as long as there’s a enemy that directly threatens things. But once there all gone you still have the need to dominate and gain power. Either they begin to fear you or you turn your attention to them. Your very being can change time and reality basically born to change or destroy.
I've been interested to know the full significance of a dragonborn deciding to become a vampire lord and/or reading the Black Books. On the one hand, this makes him scarcely indistinguishable from a god. Vampires already can't die of old age, poison, or disease, and Valerica shows us that they can't starve or die of thirst. Already he has the soul of dozens of Akatosh fragments rolled into one, and power that contended evenly with Alduin. That being said, this should have massive consequences for himself and the whole of the TES verse. Dealing with daedra and their creations can give him powers he would never achieve otherwise, but he would have to bind himself to something even more sinister than dragonhood, putting his mind in even greater danger.
Taking on aspects of the Dragon as you absorb their soul reminds me of Highlander and how Duncan underwent the dark quickening and the underlying theme of sharing the evil to withstand it hence no man are meant to be alone.
Explained: Dwemer fused with Numidium and became its golden skin, Kagrenac fused his people with the big stompy Robot. We can confirm that this is the outcome as Arniel Gane binds himself to the nearest remnant of Lorkhan (the Dragonborn as a Shezarrine/Aspect of Lorkhan) and becomes a shade.
Miraak takes that desire for power to a truly insane level. You can make it out in the mantra his 'worshippers' chant as they work on his sites. "And when the world shall listen And when the world shall see And when the world remembers That world shall cease to be" He wants to disrupt the universe itself by waking the godhead. The dream will preserve itself and begin a new dream, rewriting the very basis of reality. His name resonating so deeply the godhead, and by extension, the universe remembers him, he will take Akatosh's place.
Skyrim has been out since 2011, they won't release a DLC like that, but i like the way you think. All Emperors of Cyrodiil had the Dragon Blood in their veins, so it would make sense for the Dragonborn to become the Emperor, sadly you can't. But there is a mod fior it :).
This makes me really want to think harder about what shouts I choose to learn when I'm playing Skyrim, and how many factions I become a leader of! Very, VERY interesting lore, my dude. Opens some interesting RP options as well! Great vid as well, this is my first time seeing one of yours, and my interest is piqued!
The Last Dragonborn is a Prisoner Hero, and that carries tremendous implications about their interaction with fate, which is to say, doom, and Lorkhan literally means Doom Drum and it's pretty heavily implied that the Last Dragonborn is Shezarrine, incarnate of LHKAN (who is Shor and Lorkhan and Shezarr just as AKHAT is Akatosh and Auri-El and Alduin). These seem to be linked; it can be solidly argued that all Prisoner Heroes are all Shezarrine. The Prisoner Hero is almost completely unbound (literally the first quest in Skyrim is titled Unbound) from fate. The write the Elder Scrolls rather than have their fates dictated by them. They are possibility incarnate. The one doom Prisoner Heroes are inviolably subject to is that once their Event is finished, their story is finished and the Dreamer will promptly write them out of the narrative. While anyone can Walk the Ways and become a god, which is to say, achieve permanence, becoming unforgettable to the Dreamer, an element that will always recur, always be relevant... the Prisoner can't. Their doom is to be temporary, to die or go Missing (you know, like Shezarr). Seriously, have you ever heard of the Eternal Champion outside of his Event (the Simulacrum)? Of course not, because Prisoner. Similarly with the Nerevarine's expidition to Akavir, literally sailing to the future and severing himself from the now, that which is relevant. There is one escape clause. The Prisoner can sacrifice their identity as the Prisoner in favour of another. The Hero of Kvatch Walked the Steps of the Dead for two madmen, Sheogorath and Pelinal. And the Last Dragonborn is Ysmir, Talos; the Thalmor have failed. This is the Last Dragonborn's future: being Talos, not himself. And that's why, for all that this video is insightful wrt the nature of Dragon psychology (though you could have done better by emphasizing AKHAT as the I AM to Anui-El's IS, Sithis' IS NOT, and LHKAN's I AM NOT), as regards the Last Dragonborn, it's completely irrelevant, because now so is he. Also, you completely missed the point of Tsun's line.
If I recall Tolkien used 'Doomed' in a more archaic sense of the word, to mean 'Fated', I'd assume the devs were lifting language from this, although there's a definite ambiguity to it in either case, and you raise some excellent points!
Do you folks realize how good this video is? This music in the background!?! I ate a weed candy an hour and a half ago, and I was tripping throughout the video. Trip: Lose track of my sense of self and my sense of time.
I’ve always thought about this. Imagine everyday you have this burning primal desire to conquest and control and take everything around you for your own always trying to step up with your loved ones and family/friends to go into a shop see the owner make a bit of gold and think that’s mine it should all be mine is maddening
Your voice is so relaxing I can almost fall asleep listening to these videos. Love them! You could definitely be on one of those history programs as a presenter. Your voice really holds attention but is also soothing :)
Loved that: "Paarthurnax, the badass". Perfect. I don't think I've met a wiser Being in all of Skyrim. He should be the King of Skyrim, were it not for his instinctive difficulty dealing with power. Too bad.
I’ve always loved the idea that it’s inevitable that the Dragonborn you play as in Skyrim would become a tyrant. I had hoped ES6 might explore it but that doesn’t seem to be the case... I’m working on a fanfic wherein that happens and the son of Whiterun’s blacksmith, Adrienne, must stop him with weapons the Dragonborn crafted and enchanted himself.
Fascinating theory, though see comments below about the word 'doom'. I can't speak for EVERY Dragonborn, but one of the first things mine did after learning his destiny was make his way, not to High Hrothgar, but to Winterhold, where he became Arch-Mage of the College. My first Dragonborn, an Imperial mage who worshipped Talos and Dibella, had no place in the Civil War (aside from killing every Thalmor patrol he saw). The Stormcloaks did not appeal to him because they hated him simply for who he was and what he could do, and the Empire had succumbed to the Thalmor's will in quelling the worship of his and his family's patron Divine. So as soon as he was Thane of Whiterun, the Dovahkiin chose instead to focus on mastering the arcane arts, and quenching his thirst for knowledge and power that way. Eventually, at the behest of Meridia, he came to specialize in Destruction and Restoration spells that would blast the undead back to rest. He sees himself not as a conqueror, but as a preserver of the natural order of life and death, for humanity AND for the Dovah. The only exception was Paarthurnax, whom the Dovahkiin owed a personal favor for helping him protect Nirn from the World-Eater. His hunger for power exists, but it's largely sated by the souls of dragons, the secrets of Aetherius, and the Words of Power. He seeks no political power, because then you have to run things and he'd rather run around killing Draugr and Dragon Priests.
There is a theory out there presented quite beautifully that the Dragonborn is actually Shor/Lorkan/Talos and an incarnation of him. A youtuber gave some convincing evidence towards this and it made a lot of sense. I personally am a subscriber to that theory and opened my eyes to a new level of understanding in terms of the nature of the Dragonborn. The 3 main points supporting this theory include: 1) The ghost (at the in at Old Hroldan) that calls you Hjalti (Talos/Tiber Septim's birth name), thinking you are tiber septim (who is a shezarine to shor) (considering that he was also dragonborn and implying that you are actually Tiber septim or Hjalti) 2)That the reason why Shor is not present in Shor's hall in Sovengarde is because, you are Shor. And If the heroes of sovengarde were prevented from fighting Alduin by the order of Shor, yet when the dragonborn calls on them to fight Alduin they obey. 3) During your initiation as Dragonborn, the Greybeards call you Ysmir, the same name given to Tiber Septim who (once again) is a shezzarine to Shor. Please share your thoughts and research on this theory. Its one of my fave.
It's been a theory floating around for a while, that the Dragonborn is contuing a conflict that began since time was first concieved. That Aka-tusk was a god with two personalities, each one determined to kill the other. So much so that they split to become Akatosh and Lorkhan, both historically being gods trying to kill each other in a never ending battle for dominance, and the final battle between the Last Dragonborn and Alduin is a continuation of that insane god's twin personalities trying to kill each other.
There was this mod that lets you literally speak the shouts by using a mic. I quickly learned why the greybeard’s took a vow of silence. Accidentally saying words of power mid sentence is totally a thing. I’d sigh and cast disarm. Immersive af.
This was a very interesting video and your theory is so deeply thought out it's ridiculous lol I commend you for that and I think the path you took with it has a lot of merit. But I interpreted your springboard quote from Tsun about being doom-driven drastically different. I always took doom-driven in the sense that doom is what is DRIVING the character's actions not the destination. The impending doom of Nirn at the hands (jaws?) of Alduin drives your character to be the hero of the world and in that sense he is doom-driven. All in all though you've earned my sub with this and your catalog of Avatar and LOTR videos. Plus your cat. Actually it's just the cat. All hail mishka (sorry if I spelled that wrong)
To me the lore implications of Dragonrend, and the thing that Alduin says to Paarthunaax when you fight Alduin on The Throat of The World, to me it implies that some dragons, maybe even Paarthunaax, took Dragonrend into them by helping humans to create it. In taking that shout in, would a dragon not become mortal? Look at Miraak, the supposed first Dragonborn. He almost purely a dragon, except in body. Perhaps the very creation of the words mortal, finite, and temporary in the Dov's language caused some of them to take on mortal forms without realizing it.
I really love your content! I was curious if you’ve done a video on the Daughters of Coldharbour or Serena and her family’s backstory. If not, I’d love to hear about the vampires and such:) keep up the good work!
Imagine if the Dragonborn goes wild with power and starts becoming a world menace, and so the Nevaderine (might’ve misspelled) has to come back from Akavir and face the Dragonborn? That would be ballers
My Dragonborn dominance presents itself via my desire to dominate my library by collecting every book in Skyrim, like Lusty Argonian Maid 2, and to dominate by having Tamriel’s most interesting toy box with Auriel’s Bow laying over Molag Bal’s mace. I use Mephala’s sword as a feather duster, Clavicus Vile’s masque to negotiate better prices to sell my potatoes and Mehrune’s Davon’s razor to cut open letters and clean the undersides of my nails.
Proof: Dragonborns are way different than those who have dragon blood. As dragonborns are born from inserting a shard of akatosh (dragon soul) into a body of a mortal. The dragon soul however, can transfer into different other bodies after death. If the drahon soul could have the ability to do that.
can we talk about if it's even possible for the Kahjiit and Argonian races to actually be Dragonborn? is having the dragon blood a gift Akatosh can just willingly give out to anyone? or did he only ever give it to one person specifically and that person's bloodline is what carries the dragon blood?
I think this last Dragonborn’s unique role is to play the judge, jury and executioner of all dragons. This includes Alduin and even Paarthunax plus the others you encounter.
A great video all and all, but there is a little Nick pick I have. At the 13:37 mark, you show a quote that is from Angir (sorry if I mispronounced), not from Paarthurnax
I did some theorising the other day, turns out, no matter how many Daedra you pledge yourself too, no matter how powerful, when the Dragonborn dies… their soul goes back to Akatosh.
The whole concept of absorbing their memories reminded me of the first Prototype, iirc you progress the story by absorbing more people, thus gaining more memories.
It almost seems like one of the greatest patterns in philosophy when it comes to how cultures evolve. Those that have an extreme hatred of something to the point of wanting to destroy it, eventually become the very thing they wish to destroy. It happened with the Russians during the October Revolution in their quest to overthrow their oppressors, the French during their own revolution, happened in a way with the US when they invaded foreign nations in the attempt to stop an imperialistic communistic regime's spread, and it is happening now with conservative groups attempting to preserve their own freedoms by forcing destructive laws on those they disagree with.
I personally think the hearthfire dlc answers your question "does the dragonborn succumb to his or her nature", you can settle down have kids and build a house. Just my opinion
wait if the dragonborns soul or blood is but a shard of time does that explain why you load to our last save when you die, its an instinctive reaction from your soul in a last ditch attempt to save yourself so that you can keep acquiring power
I always interpreted Tsun's words "doom-driven" as talking about how I've been brought to Nirn to prevent its doom. My arrival driven by the approaching doom, becaue I'm sent to stop it.
I think that since Alduin flew from the time wound atop the Throat of the World depending on his angle Helgen may have just been the first village he saw and attacked to announce himself.
@@zerotodona1495 I may be late but I have this theory that Alduin did save the Dragonborn maybe because he believes he was destined to kill the Dragonborn himself so he won't allow the Dragonborn being killed by a mere headsman.
I'm very late but i think he sensed dragonborn being there but didn't know who it was so he tried to kill everyone but by mere luck or destiny dragonborn didn't die
I'd like to hear your take on the relationship between the hero of each game and the Elder Scrolls (not the game series, but the actual scrolls in the games). I'd watch that video.
Honestly I’ve been wondering if we’ll get to see a generalized version of our Dragonborn in the next game just like we got to see what became of the hero of kvatch from oblivion I’d love to see that for sure thank you but this video
I always played mages and only used the Become Ethereal shout to cast master spells without being interrupted. That's a very peaceful shout, I doubt it will corrupt much as it's all about not taking or dealing damage. Arguably it will slowly turn me into a pacifist arcane monk or sorts.
I've usually believed the "Dragon Blood" is a Gift given when a task needed to be done. Look at those that are known to have it in history, they accomplished feats no mortal could have, some great, some terrible or... some started great and led to the other. Skyrims DB is a Tool, a tool of the gods this time to defeat Alduin so all of that business can be restarted again hopefully right next time. As for Curse or Doomed look at Miraak many others or the dragons in general it is a constant fight sometimes for the task at hand, sometimes just not to kill anybody that does not deserve it. It so far that the DB quietly disappears, this could lead to anything including like "Party Snax" just go off away from everybody and live after all the wrongs have been righted. The DB also gets the temptation to take power or even a life for no reason (Just because they can) same as the Dragons instinct. Elisif could easily be moved out of the way one way or another (Including her people) even Cyrodill's throne is unstable and I'm sure many would appreciate a Dragonborn again sitting on either throne. The blood is a tool, same as Alduin, he uses his to control instead of his task will this Dragonborn use their abilities for the task or do they corrupt it for their personal gain. Giving the gift to somebody not special, not wealthy, not greedy for power is a good start for a tool to not corrupt it.
The Dragon Born will use the bend will shout to create an air force of dragons to wipe the Thalmor out. Then once at the White Gold tower he will don the Amulet of kings and become emperor. Just my theory
The Amulet of Kings is not necessary to be an emperor - in this context, it is merely symbollic, a badge of office. Being capable of wearing it was simply a proof that you are an heir to the throne, much like Moon-and-Star "proved" that the Nerevarine is Nerevar reborn. You didn't have to wear Moon-and-Star to *be* the Nerevarine. While it existed, it was used to keep the barrier separating the mortal world and Oblivion strong - to be capable of ruling an empire, you had to keep the competition - Daedra - out of your plane. After the Amulet was destroyed, the barrier was permamently sealed, severely weakening the Daedra's influence over the mortal world.
about LDB role in tamriel, he is Ysmir, and Ysmir's fate are to wander again after conquering lands after dragonborn dlc LDB most likely stay in apocrypha and didn't do anything in tamriel anymore, sad. tiber septim is the exception because he probably CHIM that fate (though it's interesting if herma-mora give LDB a knowledge of CHIM then become tiber 2.0, the tentacle emperor of tamriel)
There is also a degree of weirdness regarding identity in Elder Scrolls. One can "mantle" a figure and effectively become them as far as the universe is concerned. In that context it could be seen as Dragonborn mantling Akatosh. That they are not power hungry because they Dragonborn (and thus like Akatosh) but rather by being power hungry they mantle Akatosh and gain a degree of his power. The protagonist of Skyrim might have only become the Dragonborn after doing something only a dragon could do by killing a dragon. There is even thought that the protagonist of Morrowwind did this to Nevar during that game.
I think an interesting plot for ES6 could be taking down the last dragonborn. Dawngaurd give an easy excuse for them to still be alive. I doubt anyone will see this comment but thoughts?
How cool would it be if Bethesda used this theory to make your skyrim character the antagonist in elder scrolls 6? It would be the ultimate fallen hero because you put so much time into them but nothing could stop the inevitable.
TIM! YOU FORGOT THE H IN DOVAHKIIN IN THE TITLE! THAT'S A BAD OMEN, MISHKA WILL ENSLAVE US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OoOoOo, He edited the title, he must've seen my amazing comment.
I have a theory, or maybe an extension of yours. What if akatosh created dragonborns because he wanted to collect the shards of himself and become complete again? Think about the theory of the dragons being shards of aka that appeared in the dragon break, but the first dragonborn didn't appeared during a break, and the power seeking nature of dragonborns would be functional to that purpose, for they will want to absorb souls of Dovas as they are a huge source of power, unknown to them that they are actually collecting the shards of aka or akatosh. And maybe when all his pieces are unified then he would make his next move to recover them from the mortal as this would be the only way him, a divine, could get even more power. Because the thirst for power is in his nature, as in the nature of all of his children.
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Hey subfuries! I'm sorry for such a long video, but elder scrolls lore always has so much to talk about. What do you think will happen to the Last Dragonborn? This "doom" Tsun speaks of seems to drive dovahkiin to great good and great evils or sentence them to die trying as they lose their humanity. I've always wondered what absorbing so many dragon souls would do to a man, so here we are. Hope you enjoyed! 😊
~ Tim
Hello Future Me i love your videos!! pls do more avatar theories!! i love them the most!!
edit: OMFG!! YOU SAW MAH COMMENT... YOU ARE AMAZING
I lobe you
Hello Future Me (if u can find the information) can you please do a how was the dragonborn created?
Hello Future Me don't be the length of the of the vidios don't matter
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THE HELL
"What's better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
One of my favorite quotes of all time.
I still killed him. He cant run from his past.
-Mario.
+Daniel Choate I told Delphine to do it herself if she wanted to and then summoned Durnehviir inside the Blade Headquarters. I never went back cos that way I get to pretend he killed them.
Ok, 1. Thanks for quoting me, Kubo. And 2. Sorry Daniel, I’m still alive. Can’t kill me.
We all die it's wether you fight or give in. If you know and do not act you do not truly know. all one powerful ideology
This also explains why you can become leader/thane of all most everything its[the dovahkiins dragon instinct]trying to "take over" skyrim
I think it's best exemplified in the dawnguards DLC, where you can fight for your fellow people, or you can leave them behind, choosing to become a predator of men and mer.
I have to admit, it's really hard to NOT want to be a vampire, the power you get coupled with the ability to nullify your would be greatest weakness. It's very freaking tempting.
bogustoast22 none But You are Dovah, those pests are nothing compared to your power as Dragonborn
bogustoast22 none yeah, but then I realised being a werewolf didn’t have the extreme cons that being a vampire has, so I just chose werewolf, besides, the laat dovahkiin will have lost his entire mortal side by the time he chose being a vampire because the Dragonborn that truly wants to do good will choose to not be a vampire, but we don’t know the canon of the laat dovahkiin besides the main storyline so... eh.
@@nin2494 you are right, and even the penality of going to the hunt lands would be better than losing your soul Thou i think that Akatosh will have always a greater claim than any daedric lord to your soul as you are a fragment of him.
@@drackestalentorgen166 Look, if Dovahkiin dies, their soul will go to Akatosh because you are basically his incarnation. That cart sequences starts with you waking up but in actuality, you are reborn with soul of Akatosh. That prisoner whom you play as Dragonborn was actually dead but since Akatosh knew that Alduin will appear in Helgen, he took that mortal body for his own purpose and to warn Alduin that if he doesn't mend his ways, there will be consequences. Obviously, Alduin's ego blinded him and well, finally you defeated him. Now, why you didn't able to capture his soul. Simple, Akatosh claimed it for himself. So, similarly, when or if Dovahkiin dies, no Daedra will dare to mess with Akatosh for Dovahkiin's soul because although, it's said that Aedra's are little weaker than Daedra since they gave half of their power to create Nirn and Mundus however, despite so many tries by Daedras, they terribly failed due to Aedra's intervention, just like in Oblivion's crisis. So, what I believe only Aedra's have the power to destroy Nirn and Alduin will return once again when Akatosh will decide that the end of the kulpa is inevitable.
Doom-driven is a reference to Lorkhan (The Name means Doom Drum) and the fact that the Dragonborn as Ysmir is a Shezarrine (a mortal fragment of the Defeated Lorkhan) so when he/she is called Doom-driven by Tsun, it means sent by Shor/Lorkhan to be a Hero for the world and to Liberate Sovngarde from the clutches of Alduin.
The best part is Lorkhan is a trickster god so those daedra you “pledges your soul” to are gonna get screwed over on their deals.
@@wtpiv6041 Lorkhan is a Trickster god to Mer, which believe they were tricked into mortality and confined them to Nirn, never to be reunited with the Aedra ("our ancestors"); it's considered a "Good" God by Men since he gave them death and a way to ascend to Aethirius (Where the Magna-Gee, followers of Magnus the Architect of Nirn, escaped).
It's a complex matter since every aspect of a God is real, so Akatosh is Auriel and Alduin, while Lorkhan is Shor and Shezzarr.
These two, in particular, are the most debated gods in existence, the sole reason the Empire and the Aldmeri Dominion exist and are at the core of what happens in the entire Elder Scrolls Lore.
They are the direct incarnation of the two major forces in the universe Order and Chaos, Anu and Padomay, not entities per se, but concepts incarnated into Everything and Nothing (Anui-el and Sithis), which then took consciousness and created Auri-el/Akatosh and Lorkhan/Shezzarr (Time and Space). I won't go into details since this is where every single race has his own idea of the same Deity and it's through worship that they "shape" Order and Chaos themselves and in turn Nirn as a whole.
So the protagonist in TESV is a dragonborn and a shezarrine at the same time? Coooool
@@dominiccenteno1233 Yeah, at least that's one theory. Shezarrines are a bit complicated to say the least so a lot of what I said was one of the working theories.
@@scientoakuilusakuilar pretty cool theory. An aspect of both Lorkhan and Auriel
I hadn't noticed the connection of taking power with almost every known Dragonborn but your video makes perfect sense of it, It actually sparked an idea about the future of our character, Obviously Bethesda can't use our character by name but maybe there is a way they can. So, as we know Dragon priests have masks named in the Dragon tongue that give them power beyond usual mortals. I would say that a dragon priest mask isn't just a personal thing, I think Dragon priest masks are more of a title, such as Hevnoraak's "Brutal" or Volsungs "Horror" implying there was something about the people who wore these masks that made them embody these words. Miraak too has Allegience-Guide, personally I cannot make sense of this as I am writing this comment so I'll let whoever is reading do their best as well. However, I think there is one mask that the Last Dragonborn would embody, infact, based on information given in the video, that any Dragonborn is drawn to embody... Konahrik: "Warlord", an almost perfect name for the likes of a dragonborn who multiple times in previous history has been just that, A Warlord who conquered throughout their lifetime. So if Bethesda wanted a twist in the next game referencing the Last Dragonborn by "name", if the circumstances were right, Konahrik, would be near perfect. Congrats if you made it this far, browny points to you
I know a year has gone by. What if the Dragonborn does become Konahrikafter conquering the dragon priests, the last true vestige of dragon influence in the world, and instead of conquering Tamriel like Tiber Septim but destroys it, tears it asunder in a dragon soul fueled madness. He brings the world to its knees not to rule it. And in their wake, the world that is left is one with no empire no dominion, just the land, and its people.
Hmmmm...
Dovahkiin Konahrik.
Dovahkiin being a surname representing his status as one of the dragon-blood.
Konahrik being a personal name representing his actions, deeds, and identity.
I like it.
I would name it a dragon word for "final" or "last", maybe "ending"
As you are the last dragonborn. You slew the remnants of the dragons, Miraak and Alduin. The dragons are no more and ends with you.
I managed to both follow and understand this whole comment, and it makes perfect sense to me. This seems like an awesome idea, a subtle hint at us in the previous game
This leaves me to wonder if Akatosh is truly good. If your lust for power increases with each dragon slain, then how power hungry is akatosh?
That’s the secret, Aedra are evil long live the Daedra!
@@pisscvre69 Mankar?
@@pisscvre69 Mankar? Is that you?
@@pisscvre69 And the Dunmer shall trust only the Good Daedra!
Akatosh is the 5th strongest being in all of Elder Scrolls. Behind Lorkhan (#4), Padomay (#3), Anu (#2), and The Amaranth (#1)
Also if you remember Clavicus he says you almost rival him, a Daedric Prince, in power when you ask for power. It shows you'll keep wanting power and to dominate.
A valid point. Though to be fair I believe that when Clavicus Vile says that to you he is still separated from Barbas, who, as is told to us, is the majority of his power in the mortal realm. So Clavicus' full meaning by saying that is a little subjective. But even so rivalling the power of a weakened Daedric Prince absolutely ridiculous.
The Vampire Druid I think if the DB ever went to one of the planes in oblivion, a prince would have trouble killing them. Plus would a prince want to offend akatosh himself by “killing/stealing” away his last child?
We are stuck with mora because it was the only way to stop mirrak but he doesn’t have us in death. Plus he lets DB travel between realms on good faith.
You're not stuck with mora whatsoever. He knows he can't eff with a DB because your soul is a shard of time and only a dragon or db can defeat and "kill" him. You've seen how he cowards from Miraak in his own domain. Miraak had the run of the place, took over a part of his own realm smh. So in order to get rid of this problem and stopping Miraak from leaving he pitted another DB (you) against him so that he could get rid of the potential problem permanently.
And for fate I was reading a blog post earlier stating that TLD isn't outside of fate and Azura solidify this when speaking to her about her star but my thing is this. Azura clearly was expecting you to return her star to her but the thing is you have the option to take the star back to the elf turning it into the black star meaning that she's wrong and TLB indeed is outside of fate because Azura vision was that you would be the one to return her the star but instead you have the choice to change the fate of the star and sever the star's connection from her.
Luxu yae Chihasu Almost rival him, when he doesn’t have Barbas, he said.
@@eltonj888 Now we had Miraak’s and tons of dragon soul too
You do avatar, lotr and skyrim. All the best things in the world on one channel. Awesome
Welcome to the community! Three of my favourite things in the world. I should really do more Elder Scrolls.
~ Tim
As I played more and more of Skyrim, I wondered about this topic myself. After all, dragonborn is basically a dragon in a mortal body. I eventually came to the conclusion that as the Dragonborn, you have to resist your Draconic nature.
“What’s better to be born good or to overcome your evil nature with great effort”
What's most interesting to me is that Paarthurnax had to understand his nature in order to overcome it. Could the Dragonborn really know how to resist their urge to dominate right away? Or would they first have to understand what it means to succumb to it?
Very much explains why Talos was so driven to conquer Tamriel.
The phrase "coursing through their veins" gives me shivers.
Every.
Single.
Time.
I love it.
Shining Dawn I've heard it so many times that I kind of view it as a cliche at this point.
Very interesting video. Though I do agree with all the points you brought up, the orginial/archaic meaning of "Doom" was the same thing as "fate" or "destiny" without the negative "destruction/death" connotations, which developed later.
So when he calls you "doom driven" he most likely means that you are pushed onwards by the will of fate i.e. your destiny to battle and defeat Alduin, not necessarily that you are going to lose or destroy yourself (though many legendary heroes do meet a bad end). However every point you made is still true in my eyes. If the Dragonborn is not careful they could suffer the fate of so many before them and go from a legendary hero, to a tragic one.
You're absolutely right on that, though I do have to wonder whether the Skyrim script writers had considered that original meaning haha!
~ Tim
I was about to comment on this very same thing. HFM, you have a surprisingly on-point comments section. :)
As to whether they wrote it this way intentionally or not...it makes sense that Tsun would speak of it like that because of how archaic he is, and we established that the lore guys at Bethesda are mad geniuses, soooo...probably yes? I think?
So basically the Dragon born is the "Either you die as a hero or live long enough to see yourself in becoming a villain"
It would be great to see in the next game that the Dragonborn has taken over Skyrim and become the high king.
Imagine having to fight off another invasion of the Nords, led by the Dragonborn.
@@woofergranade2044 yeah imagine Dragonborn riding dragon and leading his army Odaving at left side and they fighting against Aldmeri Dominion those elfs got serious problem
If you could also be the next game ebony warrior I'm the greatest ever and I need someone great to kill me
Doubt it most dragonborn never had much of a big history except talos himself and i fear the same goes for him. I'd wager he settled for a quiter life after the game
''and so The first Dragonborn meets The Last Dragonborn in the summit of Apocrypha'' - Miraak
*Skyrim theme starts playing*
Oh-oh... I'll be replaying Skyrim again after watching this, aren't I?
Skyrim does not go into depth much but it gives you one clear point that I can see: the dragon born shapes history there is one before every major event for instance oblivion or skyrim even, without the dragon born history cannot move forward, the war was a stale mate until you came and sided with the imperials or stormcloaks it stays like that until you go for the quest or look at the dark brotherhood quest you can go months in the game and the dark brotherhood will stay the same the arentino boy still won't get noticed, Cicero does not get his wheel fixed, and the sanctuary does not get destroyed same goes with the thief guild and the college of winter hold and the bards college. The same goes with oblivion with the ending and the main quest
Wow, this seems like fixing a plothole for "open worlds" as they only move forward, when the player does. Being a dov and a splitter of time itself makes therefore "sense".
Actually Bethesda does this thing with their games lore that the events of the games and factions happen even if the player didn't do those questlines. I.E. even though you may not have done the Thieves Guild story in oblivion according to the lore someone still stole an Elder Scroll from the moth priests. Kodlak still gets murdered by the Silver Hand even if the Dragonborn isn't a Companion. Doing the factions quests just cements in the player's head canon that the Dragonborn did those things.
@@MrDiarukia In Elder Scrolls world, every thing is controlled by Akatosh in one way or other because he is God of Time, so it actually makes sense that our heroes are somewhat blessed by Akatosh and Dovahkiin being his reincarnation.
This carries, a lot can happen without player intervention before Oblivion because there are Dragonborn Emperors making things happen. But if you look at Oblivion, you aren't the hero, you're an agent to the hero, a blade in service to Martin the Dragonborn heir to the throne. If it were a game of chess you'd be the Knight while Martin is the king. But until you go and find Martin, nothing happens, as if time has stopped on his behalf, until after you decide to make your way there then the night you get there boom, a gate to Oblivion opens. TES has the wildest universe, fun stuff.
"You seek power"
Me, Currently in charge of like every faction: I don't know what you are talking about
Dragons are Aspects - pieces- of Akatosh, the Dragon God of Time. Alduin is also an Aspect of Akatosh in the role of a destroyer, and since he is also the Firstborn of Akatosh, he is also his own father. If you did a double-take after reading that sentence, trust me when I say that is only the start of the madness that is Akatosh and his many, many split personalities. The whole topic of Akatosh and how utterly broken and batshit insane that particular god is should be the subject of an entire video.
It wouldn't surprise me if the mortal Dragonborn's psyche starts to buckle under the strain of having absorbed the immortal souls and power of so many Dovah. Add in a Dovah's inborn will to dominate and accumulate more power, and you've got a ticking time bomb in demigod form.
And you thought Akatosh is insane?
Enter Lorkhan ...
I've always wondered since we don't actually see the jarls moot for the next High King that there's a possibility that Bethesda will write in the Dragonborn as canon. We know nothing about TES6 but there's so many possible paths for your character it will be extremely hard to reference him/her without a massive retcon.
I think joining every guild and faction becoming leader is all canon Bc Of the achievements of the game are canon so they require to be leader of this by finishing this quest and doing that so technically in canon the Dragonborn is leader of companions TG DB etc thought which isn’t canon is which side you pick in the civil war or joining the dawngaurd/ vampires more than likely the war is still on and the Dragonborn more than likely became a vampire since Bethesda obviously heavily pushed that quest line over the DG but you never know
I would find it pretty odd for the DB to not try for the throne of the Empire via being crowned King of Skyrim. It is a) something he alone can claim as a birth right, and b) something inherent to dragon is to rule over others.
The Dawnguard and Dragonborn dlcs seem to explain the doom driven, and rise to power destiny that the Dragonborn is carving out as we play the game. By saving Solsthieim from Miirack, the Dragonborn has to make a deal with a daedric prince. Pretty much sealing the Dragonborn's fate, unless you're a vampire lord. Which again is another way of being doomed. In order to keep from dying as all mortals do, the Dragonborn sacrifices his, or her mortality. Therefore beating Hermaus Mora at his own game, and ensuring that he or she can still be around to keep Tameriel safe.
Well that's how I play the game. My Dragonborn is a good person, who understands the sometimes sacrifices have to be made for the greater good. She didn't become a vampire lord out of lust for power and domination. She did it to stop a tyrant, and to forever be Tameriel's protector even if it's from the shadows.
First, Hermaeus Mora or any Daedra can't do shit if Akatosh himself decides to claim Dovahkiin's soul since they are his reincarnation. Tiber Septim became Talos, not because of his achievements but being born as Dragonborn, his birthright made them eligible to become God with blessings of Akatosh and become a shining example of Humanity's bravery in Nirn. It doesn't matter what you become. Akatosh is God of Time, he will decide and carve Dragonborn's destiny. If he wanted to claim Dovahkiin's soul, no one, I mean, not even the Daedra's will dare to stop him.
The Dragon Born’s personal journey is quite fascinating. For me, he was a petty smuggler who got caught trying to cross the boarder. I generally crafted him as a friendly and charitable person, just someone trying to get by. Yet he became the leader of the Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, and Skyrim’s vampires. During the civil war he sided with the Storm Cloaks as he opposed the Thalmor and thought the Empire had become nothing more than their pawns. From the shadows he ruled Skyrim.
A fool sides with the storm cloaks
@@40rollsonly Nah, the choices are either racist or pussies. So pick your poison😂👍
5:03 So you admit Talos is a Divine. I always knew I liked you Tim
Thinking about it, it does seem very easy for the dovahkin to not only become thane of every hold, but also leader of every guild, and owner of several daedric artefacts.
That’s a neat theory, I like it and it makes sense if you look at the Dragonborn as dova. Kinda scary thinking about it.
Been binging your videos recently. Great stuff man. keep it up. just wondering tho how many times u watched each ATLA and TLOK episode 😁
Omg ranton wassup man!
I've been finding your comments on multiple of these old Skyrim videos..
Even more so, the only plot line where at the end you don't inevitably take some sort of control is the main quest line. But only if you choose to spare Paarthurnax and in doing so presumably deciding to follow the way of the voice as he has. The game quite literally gives you the ability to decide if the dragon born succumbs to the supposed "doom" of their instincts, defeats Paarthurnax and takes dominion over the Blades or chooses to overcome said instincts and live (relatively) peacefully. All this without directly explaining it to the player and yet the decision as to weather or not to kill him is always an interesting prospect. I personally choose to let him live but there's always that question in the back of my mind of "Maybe I should have?" I never really got why the writers of the game would opt to put such a choice in the game until now. I had just passed it off as a way of generating further conflicts of interest but it seemed somewhat out of place had that been the only motivation. Bethesda usually makes very purposeful decisions in their writing and I'm happy to see that this continues to be the case.
I dont even play skyrim, yet i still find the types of videos so facinating
Elder Scrolls lore is about the most fascinating in the world. Play it!
~ Tim
Spence Muly you have not lived life if u have not played skyrim~ quote me on that
I looooove the dragon born. One of the coolest ideas in fantasy. I always imagined the dragon born is considered a hero as long as there’s a enemy that directly threatens things. But once there all gone you still have the need to dominate and gain power. Either they begin to fear you or you turn your attention to them. Your very being can change time and reality basically born to change or destroy.
By far one of the best episodes you have ever done. Just don’t forget, sometimes we want to see you and Mishka!
You will next episode! And the next. I've got a HTTYD video for this Saturday and then an Avatar one for next week. Just writing the script now.
~ Tim
I've been interested to know the full significance of a dragonborn deciding to become a vampire lord and/or reading the Black Books.
On the one hand, this makes him scarcely indistinguishable from a god. Vampires already can't die of old age, poison, or disease, and Valerica shows us that they can't starve or die of thirst. Already he has the soul of dozens of Akatosh fragments rolled into one, and power that contended evenly with Alduin.
That being said, this should have massive consequences for himself and the whole of the TES verse. Dealing with daedra and their creations can give him powers he would never achieve otherwise, but he would have to bind himself to something even more sinister than dragonhood, putting his mind in even greater danger.
Taking on aspects of the Dragon as you absorb their soul reminds me of Highlander and how Duncan underwent the dark quickening and the underlying theme of sharing the evil to withstand it hence no man are meant to be alone.
vote for sheogorath and cheese for everyone
cheese please?
Cheese! Also, fun fact - the Sheogorath you meet in Skyrim is *probably* the player from Oblivion.
~ Tim
i agree
yay cheese!!!!
Another topic I would love to see discussed, aside from CHIM, is the disappearance of the Dwemer. Keep up the outstanding videos!
Explained: Dwemer fused with Numidium and became its golden skin, Kagrenac fused his people with the big stompy Robot. We can confirm that this is the outcome as Arniel Gane binds himself to the nearest remnant of Lorkhan (the Dragonborn as a Shezarrine/Aspect of Lorkhan) and becomes a shade.
Miraak takes that desire for power to a truly insane level. You can make it out in the mantra his 'worshippers' chant as they work on his sites.
"And when the world shall listen
And when the world shall see
And when the world remembers
That world shall cease to be"
He wants to disrupt the universe itself by waking the godhead. The dream will preserve itself and begin a new dream, rewriting the very basis of reality. His name resonating so deeply the godhead, and by extension, the universe remembers him, he will take Akatosh's place.
Amazing video. I would love it if you can cover CHIM! It's like the Elder Scrolls equivalent of escaping the Matrix.
A video on the best character in the elder scrolls universe.... SHEOGORATH!
I am not driven for power... Only sweet rolls
Bethesda should release a DLC where the Dragon born conquerors tamriel
Gwen Blagdon No they shouldn't
Free the monkey67 yeah they should the empire is crumbling and i fear only the dovahkin can restore it to its former glory
Gwen Blagdon well the game is 6 years old now so I don't think that will happen
Skyrim has been out since 2011, they won't release a DLC like that, but i like the way you think. All Emperors of Cyrodiil had the Dragon Blood in their veins, so it would make sense for the Dragonborn to become the Emperor, sadly you can't. But there is a mod fior it :).
Norman Hampton WORLD DOMINATION 😆🔥
This makes me really want to think harder about what shouts I choose to learn when I'm playing Skyrim, and how many factions I become a leader of! Very, VERY interesting lore, my dude. Opens some interesting RP options as well! Great vid as well, this is my first time seeing one of yours, and my interest is piqued!
The Last Dragonborn is a Prisoner Hero, and that carries tremendous implications about their interaction with fate, which is to say, doom, and Lorkhan literally means Doom Drum and it's pretty heavily implied that the Last Dragonborn is Shezarrine, incarnate of LHKAN (who is Shor and Lorkhan and Shezarr just as AKHAT is Akatosh and Auri-El and Alduin). These seem to be linked; it can be solidly argued that all Prisoner Heroes are all Shezarrine.
The Prisoner Hero is almost completely unbound (literally the first quest in Skyrim is titled Unbound) from fate. The write the Elder Scrolls rather than have their fates dictated by them. They are possibility incarnate.
The one doom Prisoner Heroes are inviolably subject to is that once their Event is finished, their story is finished and the Dreamer will promptly write them out of the narrative. While anyone can Walk the Ways and become a god, which is to say, achieve permanence, becoming unforgettable to the Dreamer, an element that will always recur, always be relevant... the Prisoner can't. Their doom is to be temporary, to die or go Missing (you know, like Shezarr). Seriously, have you ever heard of the Eternal Champion outside of his Event (the Simulacrum)? Of course not, because Prisoner. Similarly with the Nerevarine's expidition to Akavir, literally sailing to the future and severing himself from the now, that which is relevant.
There is one escape clause. The Prisoner can sacrifice their identity as the Prisoner in favour of another. The Hero of Kvatch Walked the Steps of the Dead for two madmen, Sheogorath and Pelinal. And the Last Dragonborn is Ysmir, Talos; the Thalmor have failed.
This is the Last Dragonborn's future: being Talos, not himself.
And that's why, for all that this video is insightful wrt the nature of Dragon psychology (though you could have done better by emphasizing AKHAT as the I AM to Anui-El's IS, Sithis' IS NOT, and LHKAN's I AM NOT), as regards the Last Dragonborn, it's completely irrelevant, because now so is he. Also, you completely missed the point of Tsun's line.
If I recall Tolkien used 'Doomed' in a more archaic sense of the word, to mean 'Fated', I'd assume the devs were lifting language from this, although there's a definite ambiguity to it in either case, and you raise some excellent points!
Do you folks realize how good this video is? This music in the background!?!
I ate a weed candy an hour and a half ago, and I was tripping throughout the video.
Trip: Lose track of my sense of self and my sense of time.
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I’ve always thought about this. Imagine everyday you have this burning primal desire to conquest and control and take everything around you for your own always trying to step up with your loved ones and family/friends to go into a shop see the owner make a bit of gold and think that’s mine it should all be mine is maddening
Your voice is so relaxing I can almost fall asleep listening to these videos. Love them! You could definitely be on one of those history programs as a presenter. Your voice really holds attention but is also soothing :)
You're too kind!
~ Tim
Loved that: "Paarthurnax, the badass". Perfect. I don't think I've met a wiser Being in all of Skyrim. He should be the King of Skyrim, were it not for his instinctive difficulty dealing with power. Too bad.
I’ve always loved the idea that it’s inevitable that the Dragonborn you play as in Skyrim would become a tyrant. I had hoped ES6 might explore it but that doesn’t seem to be the case... I’m working on a fanfic wherein that happens and the son of Whiterun’s blacksmith, Adrienne, must stop him with weapons the Dragonborn crafted and enchanted himself.
Fascinating theory, though see comments below about the word 'doom'.
I can't speak for EVERY Dragonborn, but one of the first things mine did after learning his destiny was make his way, not to High Hrothgar, but to Winterhold, where he became Arch-Mage of the College.
My first Dragonborn, an Imperial mage who worshipped Talos and Dibella, had no place in the Civil War (aside from killing every Thalmor patrol he saw). The Stormcloaks did not appeal to him because they hated him simply for who he was and what he could do, and the Empire had succumbed to the Thalmor's will in quelling the worship of his and his family's patron Divine. So as soon as he was Thane of Whiterun, the Dovahkiin chose instead to focus on mastering the arcane arts, and quenching his thirst for knowledge and power that way. Eventually, at the behest of Meridia, he came to specialize in Destruction and Restoration spells that would blast the undead back to rest.
He sees himself not as a conqueror, but as a preserver of the natural order of life and death, for humanity AND for the Dovah. The only exception was Paarthurnax, whom the Dovahkiin owed a personal favor for helping him protect Nirn from the World-Eater.
His hunger for power exists, but it's largely sated by the souls of dragons, the secrets of Aetherius, and the Words of Power. He seeks no political power, because then you have to run things and he'd rather run around killing Draugr and Dragon Priests.
3:08 so how does a dragon doing literally anything else go? I imagine it like this "eggs, milk, bread, oh, I've destroyed another nation, oops."
Dragons don't have to talk in Dovahzul, though.
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There is a theory out there presented quite beautifully that the Dragonborn is actually Shor/Lorkan/Talos and an incarnation of him. A youtuber gave some convincing evidence towards this and it made a lot of sense. I personally am a subscriber to that theory and opened my eyes to a new level of understanding in terms of the nature of the Dragonborn. The 3 main points supporting this theory include:
1) The ghost (at the in at Old Hroldan) that calls you Hjalti (Talos/Tiber Septim's birth name), thinking you are tiber septim (who is a shezarine to shor) (considering that he was also dragonborn and implying that you are actually Tiber septim or Hjalti)
2)That the reason why Shor is not present in Shor's hall in Sovengarde is because, you are Shor. And If the heroes of sovengarde were prevented from fighting Alduin by the order of Shor, yet when the dragonborn calls on them to fight Alduin they obey.
3) During your initiation as Dragonborn, the Greybeards call you Ysmir, the same name given to Tiber Septim who (once again) is a shezzarine to Shor.
Please share your thoughts and research on this theory. Its one of my fave.
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It's been a theory floating around for a while, that the Dragonborn is contuing a conflict that began since time was first concieved. That Aka-tusk was a god with two personalities, each one determined to kill the other. So much so that they split to become Akatosh and Lorkhan, both historically being gods trying to kill each other in a never ending battle for dominance, and the final battle between the Last Dragonborn and Alduin is a continuation of that insane god's twin personalities trying to kill each other.
@@Lightscribe225 this is a really cool theory and it somewhat makes sense. Please let me know the link where i can find the details about this.
Mirak is a perfect sight of what’s to come to the dragon born
This gives me a very interesting angle to work with in a fanfic I’m doing. Thank you for the great work!
There was this mod that lets you literally speak the shouts by using a mic. I quickly learned why the greybeard’s took a vow of silence. Accidentally saying words of power mid sentence is totally a thing. I’d sigh and cast disarm. Immersive af.
This was a very interesting video and your theory is so deeply thought out it's ridiculous lol I commend you for that and I think the path you took with it has a lot of merit. But I interpreted your springboard quote from Tsun about being doom-driven drastically different. I always took doom-driven in the sense that doom is what is DRIVING the character's actions not the destination. The impending doom of Nirn at the hands (jaws?) of Alduin drives your character to be the hero of the world and in that sense he is doom-driven. All in all though you've earned my sub with this and your catalog of Avatar and LOTR videos. Plus your cat. Actually it's just the cat. All hail mishka (sorry if I spelled that wrong)
To me the lore implications of Dragonrend, and the thing that Alduin says to Paarthunaax when you fight Alduin on The Throat of The World, to me it implies that some dragons, maybe even Paarthunaax, took Dragonrend into them by helping humans to create it. In taking that shout in, would a dragon not become mortal?
Look at Miraak, the supposed first Dragonborn. He almost purely a dragon, except in body. Perhaps the very creation of the words mortal, finite, and temporary in the Dov's language caused some of them to take on mortal forms without realizing it.
The quote you provide at 13:37 was said by Arngeir. I don't mean to nitpick.
Your music choice is on point
I really love your content! I was curious if you’ve done a video on the Daughters of Coldharbour or Serena and her family’s backstory. If not, I’d love to hear about the vampires and such:) keep up the good work!
I love your videos man, I hope i get to see more great content from you!
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Because the Dragonborn becomes the knowledge and essence he/she gains
I wonder if the Dragonborn could become immortal through enough effort.
Perhaps, Miraak lived for thousands of years
Imagine if the Dragonborn goes wild with power and starts becoming a world menace, and so the Nevaderine (might’ve misspelled) has to come back from Akavir and face the Dragonborn? That would be ballers
My Dragonborn dominance presents itself via my desire to dominate my library by collecting every book in Skyrim, like Lusty Argonian Maid 2, and to dominate by having Tamriel’s most interesting toy box with Auriel’s Bow laying over Molag Bal’s mace. I use Mephala’s sword as a feather duster, Clavicus Vile’s masque to negotiate better prices to sell my potatoes and Mehrune’s Davon’s razor to cut open letters and clean the undersides of my nails.
Proof: Dragonborns are way different than those who have dragon blood. As dragonborns are born from inserting a shard of akatosh (dragon soul) into a body of a mortal. The dragon soul however, can transfer into different other bodies after death. If the drahon soul could have the ability to do that.
can we talk about if it's even possible for the Kahjiit and Argonian races to actually be Dragonborn? is having the dragon blood a gift Akatosh can just willingly give out to anyone? or did he only ever give it to one person specifically and that person's bloodline is what carries the dragon blood?
It is, From Birth he is chosen by Akotosh. Destiny doesn’t discriminate, if the Gods choose a champion they aren’t in much of a place to argue.
I think this last Dragonborn’s unique role is to play the judge, jury and executioner of all dragons. This includes Alduin and even Paarthunax plus the others you encounter.
A great video all and all, but there is a little Nick pick I have.
At the 13:37 mark, you show a quote that is from Angir (sorry if I mispronounced), not from Paarthurnax
I did some theorising the other day, turns out, no matter how many Daedra you pledge yourself too, no matter how powerful, when the Dragonborn dies… their soul goes back to Akatosh.
Really like your videos man. This one was fascinating, as always!
The whole concept of absorbing their memories reminded me of the first Prototype, iirc you progress the story by absorbing more people, thus gaining more memories.
It almost seems like one of the greatest patterns in philosophy when it comes to how cultures evolve. Those that have an extreme hatred of something to the point of wanting to destroy it, eventually become the very thing they wish to destroy. It happened with the Russians during the October Revolution in their quest to overthrow their oppressors, the French during their own revolution, happened in a way with the US when they invaded foreign nations in the attempt to stop an imperialistic communistic regime's spread, and it is happening now with conservative groups attempting to preserve their own freedoms by forcing destructive laws on those they disagree with.
I personally think the hearthfire dlc answers your question "does the dragonborn succumb to his or her nature", you can settle down have kids and build a house. Just my opinion
deep ... good choice in background too
wait if the dragonborns soul or blood is but a shard of time does that explain why you load to our last save when you die, its an instinctive reaction from your soul in a last ditch attempt to save yourself so that you can keep acquiring power
I always interpreted Tsun's words "doom-driven" as talking about how I've been brought to Nirn to prevent its doom. My arrival driven by the approaching doom, becaue I'm sent to stop it.
I'm curious if Alduin saved the last dragonborn from execution in Helgen knowingly, or by coincidence. What do you think?
I think that since Alduin flew from the time wound atop the Throat of the World depending on his angle Helgen may have just been the first village he saw and attacked to announce himself.
The Vampire Druid dragons can probably sense each other and he may have been confused too.
@@zerotodona1495 I may be late but I have this theory that Alduin did save the Dragonborn maybe because he believes he was destined to kill the Dragonborn himself so he won't allow the Dragonborn being killed by a mere headsman.
I'm very late but i think he sensed dragonborn being there but didn't know who it was so he tried to kill everyone but by mere luck or destiny dragonborn didn't die
ah, its just so cool to think about this
They remind me of Eliatropes from Wakfu
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I'm surprised to hear that show mentioned here.
The english dub is awful but the lore is interesting and thought provoking.
I love this story of the last dragonborn. Keep it up man 😊
That endless water tho...
Saviors, conquerors, heroes, villains, The Dragonborn are all these things.
I think a cool backstory for the Dragonborn would to make him like Alduin, where only they can truly kill each other for good.
I'd like to hear your take on the relationship between the hero of each game and the Elder Scrolls (not the game series, but the actual scrolls in the games). I'd watch that video.
Honestly I’ve been wondering if we’ll get to see a generalized version of our Dragonborn in the next game just like we got to see what became of the hero of kvatch from oblivion I’d love to see that for sure thank you but this video
My last dragonborn is chilling with Parthenox with some special dragon skooma for some occasional fun.
I always played mages and only used the Become Ethereal shout to cast master spells without being interrupted. That's a very peaceful shout, I doubt it will corrupt much as it's all about not taking or dealing damage. Arguably it will slowly turn me into a pacifist arcane monk or sorts.
id like for you to cover the truth behind the connection between the thieves guild and the dark brotherhood as well as the companions
Is the voice of the emperor a dragon shout that Imperials can do that's what I'm thinking
I've usually believed the "Dragon Blood" is a Gift given when a task needed to be done. Look at those that are known to have it in history, they accomplished feats no mortal could have, some great, some terrible or... some started great and led to the other. Skyrims DB is a Tool, a tool of the gods this time to defeat Alduin so all of that business can be restarted again hopefully right next time. As for Curse or Doomed look at Miraak many others or the dragons in general it is a constant fight sometimes for the task at hand, sometimes just not to kill anybody that does not deserve it. It so far that the DB quietly disappears, this could lead to anything including like "Party Snax" just go off away from everybody and live after all the wrongs have been righted. The DB also gets the temptation to take power or even a life for no reason (Just because they can) same as the Dragons instinct. Elisif could easily be moved out of the way one way or another (Including her people) even Cyrodill's throne is unstable and I'm sure many would appreciate a Dragonborn again sitting on either throne. The blood is a tool, same as Alduin, he uses his to control instead of his task will this Dragonborn use their abilities for the task or do they corrupt it for their personal gain. Giving the gift to somebody not special, not wealthy, not greedy for power is a good start for a tool to not corrupt it.
The Dragon Born will use the bend will shout to create an air force of dragons to wipe the Thalmor out. Then once at the White Gold tower he will don the Amulet of kings and become emperor.
Just my theory
1.) Bend Will doesn't work that way.
2.) the Amulet of Kings was destroyed in Oblivion.
The Amulet of Kings is not necessary to be an emperor - in this context, it is merely symbollic, a badge of office. Being capable of wearing it was simply a proof that you are an heir to the throne, much like Moon-and-Star "proved" that the Nerevarine is Nerevar reborn. You didn't have to wear Moon-and-Star to *be* the Nerevarine.
While it existed, it was used to keep the barrier separating the mortal world and Oblivion strong - to be capable of ruling an empire, you had to keep the competition - Daedra - out of your plane. After the Amulet was destroyed, the barrier was permamently sealed, severely weakening the Daedra's influence over the mortal world.
about LDB role in tamriel, he is Ysmir, and Ysmir's fate are to wander again after conquering lands
after dragonborn dlc LDB most likely stay in apocrypha and didn't do anything in tamriel anymore, sad.
tiber septim is the exception because he probably CHIM that fate (though it's interesting if herma-mora give LDB a knowledge of CHIM then become tiber 2.0, the tentacle emperor of tamriel)
I love this video. It might be my favourite of all your vids
I’m going to try to watch the whole thing before school starts
Okay.
I wonder if the dragon born will become an antagonist in the next game
When I watch these Videos I Feel Like I'm Listening to an AudioBook
the Discussion about Dragonrend it is Arngier who is speaking of that.
There is also a degree of weirdness regarding identity in Elder Scrolls. One can "mantle" a figure and effectively become them as far as the universe is concerned. In that context it could be seen as Dragonborn mantling Akatosh. That they are not power hungry because they Dragonborn (and thus like Akatosh) but rather by being power hungry they mantle Akatosh and gain a degree of his power. The protagonist of Skyrim might have only become the Dragonborn after doing something only a dragon could do by killing a dragon. There is even thought that the protagonist of Morrowwind did this to Nevar during that game.
I think an interesting plot for ES6 could be taking down the last dragonborn. Dawngaurd give an easy excuse for them to still be alive. I doubt anyone will see this comment but thoughts?
How cool would it be if Bethesda used this theory to make your skyrim character the antagonist in elder scrolls 6? It would be the ultimate fallen hero because you put so much time into them but nothing could stop the inevitable.
TIM! YOU FORGOT THE H IN DOVAHKIIN IN THE TITLE! THAT'S A BAD OMEN, MISHKA WILL ENSLAVE US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OoOoOo, He edited the title, he must've seen my amazing comment.
I have a theory, or maybe an extension of yours.
What if akatosh created dragonborns because he wanted to collect the shards of himself and become complete again?
Think about the theory of the dragons being shards of aka that appeared in the dragon break, but the first dragonborn didn't appeared during a break, and the power seeking nature of dragonborns would be functional to that purpose, for they will want to absorb souls of Dovas as they are a huge source of power, unknown to them that they are actually collecting the shards of aka or akatosh. And maybe when all his pieces are unified then he would make his next move to recover them from the mortal as this would be the only way him, a divine, could get even more power. Because the thirst for power is in his nature, as in the nature of all of his children.