@@purpkiddpurp "debunking" even tho if you're ranged champ and try to farm she just runs at you, facerolls her keyboard and she's already behind you and bodyblocking you while nuking you to non-existence... reasonable champ
Well, after years of playing in Platinum/Diamond, I've never really found Riven all that oppressive, until I came across a specific Riven main that just whooped my squishies all game. I usually main support and can deal with her or peel her off my carries for the most part. However, the last 2 ~ 3 seasons, I feel like her skill requirments have dropped so much. I always remember facing Rivens was only a real struggle if they were mains, but nowadays, its as if every Riven player is a Riven main, just because of all the extra damage that comes in (runes, items, lethality blabla). To me it still feels like, Riven used to be: ''high skill-requirment early-gamer'', but she's now some kind of all-round lane stomper with enough cc and 100-0 potential to give her a great late-game too. In my memories it was never like that before.
@@synaxe6567 legit champion counterplay right here, you should be part of Riot's design team. HEY GUYS I GOT A COOL IDEA SO HOW ABOUT A CHAMPION THAT IS SO FUCKING SCARY TO FIGHT THAT IT ALWAYS WINS AND FUCKING SNOWBALLS HARD WITH STUPID DAMAGE
@@synaxe6567 it's like saying oh do not fight darious at lvl 1 do you think I wanna fight him riven gets cc 3 dashes at more dmg from passive at lvl 1 let's say you playing nasus like me you either give up your first 3 minions of your hp its like saying oh if you can't play vs xerath just zone your self of exp sounds stupid right because it is
@@synaxe6567 or lvl 2, or lvl 3, dont even think about it at lvl 6, and forget about your lane if she's hitting her item power spikes, and forget about winning your game if she begins to snowball
@Carlos Pitteri Jax is fine atm, shojin is strong but he was stronger with essence reaver because it gave mana, mana regen and more AD, for a smaller price. Riven can have 40% cdr and a lot of flat AD very fast now, and we deeply know that they play Riven and that's why they don't nerf her
Riven is objectively broken. It's literally simple mathematics. A middle school kid could draw up a graph demonstrating that fact. And I say that as someone who abuses Riven in low elo. It's impossible to lose lane with her.
So he admits that Riven is op ( kind of ) but says that they won't nerf her because of Riven mains storming their HQ. Like, really? Then you should never in your life nerf Yasuo ( not saying he is op he is actually kind of weak right now but it's an example ) because 14 year olds will storm your HQ ( and Moe will be leading them ).
Look if you like playing Riven, if you want to smash Riven. That's fine. Just have a small amount of self awareness over what champion you're playing. I like Poppy but even I'll admit that the Sunfire/Iceborne meta that follower her rework was not good for the game at all
agreed ,i play galio since his rework and even then when he was a fucking god i had to admit it ,but nowdays people just want to abuse op champs to get free elo and then make complains when riot nerf then
i have a riven "main" (adc main, but he spams riven top when he gets second role) as a friend and he says that riven is perfectly balanced and even weak against a lot of matchups... so when he loses lane (really hard sometimes but that happens to everyone) he just starts blaming it on the "undertuned" champion he's playing or blaming the "OP counterpick" that cucked him violently even if it's listed "easy matchup" in all the mobafire guides lmao. I mean, play what you want but don't find excuses if you fuck up and don't say biased bullshit about a champ. Dunno why it's so difficult for "xxxRiven_lover69xxx" to admit that oneshotting a 300 armor tank in a rotation means that the champ is overtuned and that if you go 0/7 against a teemo it's your fault, not the op counterpick or your junglers fault =/
@@mutantcat5740 your opinion on galio this patch? i liked him as a pocket pick but seeing him nerfed literally 7 patches in a row made me hesitant to pick him again...
im not here to get jumped so chill out for a second while reading this. with that said, id like to respectfully disagree with some points he made. i think its fair to only pull stats from korea, as it is the undisputed best region, and therefore it makes sense to give numbers from there (this is because the changes in the meta usually stem FROM korea, so it would make sense to want to base ur stats and recommendations from there). also his arguments (the league of graphs one) didnt really make sense to me, he calls it a shit website, criticizes it for not having a tier list, and then just goes on about the riven win rate, his argument really seems to have no structure. i can understand why low elo poeple like tier lists made for them (not trying to flame), but a relatively high elo player such as hashinshin should be able to easily interpret the stats given from pickrate, win rate, etc. i appreciate responses, just please keep it civil
ok after watching more of the video i just had to make another comment. i was really questioning his knowledge of champs when he was going through at 10:23 let me just make a list akali- yes, she does need to know how her q works, but saying that is the ONLY thing u need to know is just ignorant. good akali players have mastered when to and how to use every part of her kit to its full potential, not just the q. knowing ur damage through out levels, how to position yourself for an all in, using her ult properly, when to pop shroud, all of these are things that you must take into account when playing her, not just her e. riven- do i even need to say anything??? he doesnt even give "the trick" u need to learn. im not saying she is balanced by any means, but at least admit there is more to it than "realizing her kit is archaic and dated". rumble- ok im not a big rumble player, but i can say there is more to it than "using ur ult properly." his heat mechanic alone makes him more complicated than majority of champions in league (my opinion). camille- admittedly isnt a very hard champion, but she requires more than "shoot ur e next to a wall". things such as knowing what skills to take first and/or max are very important as well, also knowing how to juggle tower agro and dodge turret shots with ur r. honestly, i could go on but i think ive made my point.
So 23% pick rate in challenger So almost 1/4 players Sooooo One toplaner per team that has 5 members that means at least 2 riven main per game in challenger But lets say they pick her mid or jungle or wte Still 1/5 players so again same thing almost since 20% of 10 is 2 bla bla bla That means that like base on stats obv Top lane mains that are challenger and dont main riven are at 8% and the rest of the toplaners are riven otps Mathematically speaking i might just wanna laugh at the 2.3m points plat2 riven otp with more than 1200 games that she is hardstuck 50-51% wr in eune server that lost lane the other day Good to know
I wouldn't say "sleeper" op. She has been picked up a bit in pro LCS play. Most people already knew she was op, I believe that everyone, including pros, is finally catching up on Riven's bullshit
@@leventekerkai622 i dont know the name of the players as i dont watch pro play that much but riven used to be played in pro play because i remember it was the same time as jax was being played probably because he does decently into her
Because instead of directly addressing the problem (riven) they're just hard countering Riven to turn this game into rock paper scissor except one player knows what the other is throwing out first.
Playing rock paper scissors while instantly losing or winning lane in champ select is not fun. Instead of making impossible match ups just create dialogue in kits outside of herp derp dodge it
Yes, I understand all you wrote. But I don't say let's buff Poppy to oblivion, coz she counters Riven. No! I think there should be more "Grounding" and dash-preventing skills in entire game. I think this is much better way to need to meet Riven.
Oh we dont care if Ryze mains dont like his 100th rework,we dont care if Warwick mains basicly quit playing him cuz he is weak af,we dont care that all Aatrox mains are still mourning old Aatrox,but OH MY GOD IF WE NERF RIVEN WE WILL GET DESTROYED,THESE RIVEN MAINS ARE SO BIASED AND CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH,SO NO MORE NERFS FOR HER AND THEY WILL NEVER PLAY THERE CHAMPION EVER AGAIN CUZ PEOPLE ARE PERMA BANNING HER IN HIGH ELO like if your a Riven main,explain to me why you think she is balanced and dont spout that HIGH SKILLCAP none sense cuz im not buying it,i have my own reasons for not liking the Mordekaiser rework,but i can agree that he is broken af and that making his old W his passive was a huge mistake,but im just gonna wait and see how his winrate goes,if he is still a pickban ill ask rito for a mini rework,just like they did with Urgot ,now back to you Riven mains and OTPs why do you think is balanced?
rIvEn iS bAlAnCeD cUz ShE nEeDs SkIlL Yeah, she needs as much skill as any other champ to be played at a decent level, on the other hand if you get around to master her and become a fucking OTP you're like fucking unbeatable, you can look at people like Adrian Riven who constantly shit on people just because the champ is so OP on itself, but it also has many mechanics which when mastered can make her twice as OP, so because she can be twice as OP Riven mains think that her regular OP is "underwhelming and weak".
People don't understand champ like riven is ... if you played Call of duty you remember some weapon were rlly too good .. UMP 45 in MW2 or Famas in black ops Those weapon are mean for bad player, with them they can still do good game and enjoy their experience, every game need thing like that otherwise they will loose a big amount of money
oh alrighty then,they balance everything based on competitive play,but when toplane is involved it's ok to fuck toplaners over because they're afraid of literally one champion's fanbase which is mostly 12 year old kids and professional onetricks? REALLY? I like the ''you're not streaming right?'' part,as if it's like a master plan to delete toplane from the game that mortals shouldn't know about
SkyLong deft Riot is doing trickle down balance (balancing around top rank) If u want to make a point to Riot, must defeat their reasonings with their own method.
Hash's delusional hypocrisy is so entertaining. His rant about champ difficulty just [do everything right] except Aatrox... he's so hard cause you have to... move. Actually had me in tears of laughter!
Simon E except Aatrox has to spend a Q and an E to guarantee hit while Riven’s Q has a built in dash for it to hit. Riven is most likely the straight upgrade of Aatrox.
@@aparioss1072 I'm not just talking about Riven. I disagree with you for a few different reasons, but that's not what's important. Riven is definitely stronger than Aatrox right now, but strength has little to do with champion difficulty. Although the stronger a champion is the more you can screw them up and still do well, my definition of difficulty would still be the difficulty to actually play them well. Whatever you think of Riven or my definition of difficulty. I was talking about most-all of the champions Hash mentioned. I've played a few of them and I've played a good amount of Aatrox as well. Aatrox is definitely easier than many of the champs he mentioned for the reasons I said. I never said anything about dashes or about Riven. That said, most players have difficulty with mechanics and as such tier list difficulties are largely mechanical. As hard as Aatrox may be, anyone who thinks he's MECHANICALLY more difficult than most of the 'extreme' champs (esp Riven etc) simply hasn't played both champions.
@Simon_E Problem is there r much more in difficulty than just mechanic. Consider macro game as well, and how you incorporate that champion to your team, or to bring out victory with the champion. Say Fiora, which has simple mechanic with deceptive “counter play”. In real life even when the Fiora is ahead, she has trouble making that advantage a win: she cant force fight, cant push hard, cant team fight well, ... Or so to say, in the end, while Fiora is easy mechanically, she is difficult. In game development term, that is fake difficulty, coming from bad design, rather than well designed, intentional challenges for the champ. But in the end, that makes Fiora difficult to play. The “tricks” Hashinshin mentioned are most definitely mechanical. For this, consider Zoe. There r some tricks Zoe can pull off to hide her R until her Q n E nearly arrive to give the enemy minimum time to react. But once Zoe players learn to do that perfectly, there s little to no way to counter her 8s CD combo, except with extreme measures (flash, teammate body block, zhonyas, ...). That one-sided gameplay is bad design, and brings Fake difficulty to whoever faces it. It cannot be considered difficult champion, if u learn a trick n the game s not interactive anymore. Thats bad design. Aatrox is considered difficult to Hashinshin, cuz after nerf, Aatrox cannot trick his way to hit combo 100%. Good Aatrox can land combo n maximize dmg more reliably than bad Aatrox, yes. But There r many thing people facing Aatrox can do to mess up his combo, and at any point if he doesnt hit his skill, he deals ~33% lessQ dmg, and his very important Passive CD refund s cut in half. So Aatrox s not one sided champion, and thats actual difficulty. The “high skill” argument of a lot of mains put there shatters when they realize when they do learn that “high skill” mechanic, they have one sided fight. And thats bad game design.
aaahhh good old hashinshin that plays every matchup the same which means he runs at them uses his abilties pushes lane and coinflips the game every single time he plays league then complains about champs that punish that playstyle and his fucking d4-iron viewers think that he is some type of god and worship everything he says LMAO
Yea riven super op and easy, JUST PLAY HER I MEAN HASH LITERALLY DROPS AND PICKS UP CHAMPS BASED ON THE PATCH and how good they are so why not just pick riven huh?
He doesn't use champs that he thinks is broken, like back when urgot was considered broken, he stopped using him, back when jax was broken with essence reaver bs, he stopped using him, and when ppl were crying about aatrox being broken, he stopped using him despite him being his main at that time, after the aatrox ult nerf/rework, he started using him again as he thinks he's not broken anymore, that's what I like about him is that when he thinks something is broken and is bad for the game, he doesn't become a hypocrite and abuse it. He earned my respect for that. When you know something is bad and you complain about it, you don't turn back on ur words and do the same thing you said is bad.
He doesnt play broken champions, he evades playing champions that are just bad right now, there's a middle point. Also he just doesn't enjoy riven, he tried to but it's just tedious and I can relate to that completely
Are you actually trying to say that rengar which has one skillshot which is not even that imoportant and doesnt have to land anything to oneshot you is harder than a champ with 4 skillshots that if you miss you are punished so easily
@@viker9547 Aatrox is not a difficult champion. He has very few losing matchups at toplane and is so strong in lane that it's hard to go wrong. Having skillshots doesn't equal hard to play, or else Lux would be considered more difficult than Zed, Riven etc. Rengar top has one of the most unique playstyles out of any champion, and I guarantee you that you couldn't pick him up and do well first game like you could (and I have) as Aatrox.
Riven is not even picked at worlds. Do you think you're better than pros? Do you think you know more than them? Ofc not. Riven is inconsistent and unreliable. She does great in solo Q's cause of the items. And shit D players who don't know how to counter her, therefore inflating her win-rate.
@@minhhieunguyen613 Ofc not. Why would pros not use her?Since shes "OP"? Why is she so much more powerful in Solo q? Aatrox is a scuffed riven, yet you see him used by pros while riven get no game time. Aatox has around 4% lower win rate in solo Q. Is it really Riven that is broken? Or is it the items that are perfect for her? For example, if riven doesn't use conjurer she loses more than 5% win rate. Even in Solo Q EU and Korea she is not used. Only NA seem to be bitching about that champion.
Smartass nigga, she does get picked and she does get banned indeed. gol.gg/champion/list/season-ALL/split-ALL/tournament-LCS%20Summer%202019/patch-ALL/role-ALL/league-ALL/
Hi it's me again, i hope the volume is fine this time o/
Glad to have you back
Persocom it’s sadle not. Although i like younger hashinshin
Fucking autocorrect
bruh let's go can't wait for more
What happened ?
The guy who said ," There are other champs way more op than riven... " is named *riven_lover123* and I think that's beautiful
If i didnt hate Riven so much i would almost find it cute
I find it creepy
LMFAO
@@eldritch0golem698 same ngl
that last bit lmfao
blaustoise is a cool dude ngl
This ain’t sphere stalker WeirdChamp
I thought that too
This is the OG
You know they watch you right...
they watch me too...
monkaW
your pfp nearly got me but not today
Men this is not right, even if is a joke... is not funny...
@@Атласварвар No the riven mains are watching hash and riot.
how can you get a screen fly so realistic
Ok so Riot Blastoise confirmed that Riven mains are the authority... Ok
It's a joke
Once again, hes right XD
When he wrong?
@@nycwizrd8348 trueeeee xD
@@purpkiddpurp "debunking" even tho if you're ranged champ and try to farm she just runs at you, facerolls her keyboard and she's already behind you and bodyblocking you while nuking you to non-existence... reasonable champ
@@MattBG67 Oh yeah i missspelled that. I meant singed, I edited the comment
Riven mains storming riot HQ if she geets nerfed?? What is happening in here????
Man,now im ashamed of being riven main,wtf is that riot hq and riven mains deep core?
This needs to be investigated
Even if its a joke its not funny....
they have the naruto runners on their side, and the kyles. Those are not jokes dude.
Area51
The reference at the end was to the anime hataraku maou sama?
Probably, but too similar to be a coincidence
drown weeb.
@@kingcrimson4313 haha lol watching anime is a sin amirite
@@hata6290 Fellow Vladimir main I hope you are not one of them.
SphereStalker, you look different today.
:P
Well, after years of playing in Platinum/Diamond, I've never really found Riven all that oppressive, until I came across a specific Riven main that just whooped my squishies all game. I usually main support and can deal with her or peel her off my carries for the most part.
However, the last 2 ~ 3 seasons, I feel like her skill requirments have dropped so much. I always remember facing Rivens was only a real struggle if they were mains, but nowadays, its as if every Riven player is a Riven main, just because of all the extra damage that comes in (runes, items, lethality blabla). To me it still feels like, Riven used to be: ''high skill-requirment early-gamer'', but she's now some kind of all-round lane stomper with enough cc and 100-0 potential to give her a great late-game too. In my memories it was never like that before.
That Blaustoise Convo tho.. lol i like that guy.
This is coming from a guy who plays riven: Please nerf her early game passive dmg, her ad ratios, and increase her shield cd at to 15/14/13/12/11.
The absolute mad lad respect my dude! You earned it
abetter option would be not to fight riven lvl 1.
@@synaxe6567 legit champion counterplay right here, you should be part of Riot's design team.
HEY GUYS I GOT A COOL IDEA SO HOW ABOUT A CHAMPION THAT IS SO FUCKING SCARY TO FIGHT THAT IT ALWAYS WINS AND FUCKING SNOWBALLS HARD WITH STUPID DAMAGE
@@synaxe6567 it's like saying oh do not fight darious at lvl 1 do you think I wanna fight him riven gets cc 3 dashes at more dmg from passive at lvl 1 let's say you playing nasus like me you either give up your first 3 minions of your hp its like saying oh if you can't play vs xerath just zone your self of exp sounds stupid right because it is
@@synaxe6567 or lvl 2, or lvl 3, dont even think about it at lvl 6, and forget about your lane if she's hitting her item power spikes, and forget about winning your game if she begins to snowball
HA! IT WAS A COMEBACK AFTER ALL!
Riven doesn't deserve existing
Pls more Hashinshin Clips.
Riven and Jax are arcaic champions that manage to stay relevant by being bloated with stats
Well jax is nerfed every year, and Riven up every year
@@jacksparrow2809 yeah at least with Jax riot tries to do something
@Carlos Pitteri Jax is fine atm, shojin is strong but he was stronger with essence reaver because it gave mana, mana regen and more AD, for a smaller price. Riven can have 40% cdr and a lot of flat AD very fast now, and we deeply know that they play Riven and that's why they don't nerf her
The only real problem with jax is his synergy with shojin, nerf or change shojin and honestly I don't think jax is that strong
Renekton abuses shojin so hard aswell
More hashinshin content? hell yeah man
Ayyy more quality content. Thank you Perserocom!
The last clip with Blaustoise allora killed me Hahahahaha
SphereStalker finally got around to uploading this lmao
Praise our lord Hashinshin
i dont care what anyone says
hashhinshin complaining is comedy to me
Riven is objectively broken. It's literally simple mathematics. A middle school kid could draw up a graph demonstrating that fact. And I say that as someone who abuses Riven in low elo. It's impossible to lose lane with her.
So he admits that Riven is op ( kind of ) but says that they won't nerf her because of Riven mains storming their HQ. Like, really? Then you should never in your life nerf Yasuo ( not saying he is op he is actually kind of weak right now but it's an example ) because 14 year olds will storm your HQ ( and Moe will be leading them ).
xD so true
yasuo is trash outside of bronze and silver though.
if they nerf her, her winrate will spike even higher cuz the people will have to try -harder- to win lmao
@@jelorer Yes thats why Yasuo is picked at LCS while riven doesnt. 200IQ.
@@nz4243 They should nerf until she is fair. Like Jax players have to try, same should be for riven.
Welcome home, Persocom-Senpai~ :hashAya:
Genius.
Riven is one of the most one trick pony'd champions in the game. Why the fuck would anyone judge her strength by winrate.
yea but after this e cd nerf, i rarely see rivens anymore. im d3
totally not streaming
Hashinshin may be delusional most of the time but when he talks about renekton/riven being broken he is fucking right
God pls rito listen to supertop and nerf riven already
Not just he its about everyone who dont play riven...he is OP ASF FKOF
Not just he but EVERYONE IN TE TOP LANE Just Nerf this shit
if blaustoise get fired for his comment i gonna make a fucking crusade for him
gangplank actually hard tho
Look if you like playing Riven, if you want to smash Riven. That's fine. Just have a small amount of self awareness over what champion you're playing.
I like Poppy but even I'll admit that the Sunfire/Iceborne meta that follower her rework was not good for the game at all
agreed ,i play galio since his rework and even then when he was a fucking god i had to admit it ,but nowdays people just want to abuse op champs to get free elo and then make complains when riot nerf then
i have a riven "main" (adc main, but he spams riven top when he gets second role) as a friend and he says that riven is perfectly balanced and even weak against a lot of matchups... so when he loses lane (really hard sometimes but that happens to everyone) he just starts blaming it on the "undertuned" champion he's playing or blaming the "OP counterpick" that cucked him violently even if it's listed "easy matchup" in all the mobafire guides lmao. I mean, play what you want but don't find excuses if you fuck up and don't say biased bullshit about a champ. Dunno why it's so difficult for "xxxRiven_lover69xxx" to admit that oneshotting a 300 armor tank in a rotation means that the champ is overtuned and that if you go 0/7 against a teemo it's your fault, not the op counterpick or your junglers fault =/
@@mutantcat5740 your opinion on galio this patch? i liked him as a pocket pick but seeing him nerfed literally 7 patches in a row made me hesitant to pick him again...
@@Spar7anProjec7 he's getting some buffs next patch. Hopefully I'll be able to play support galio once again
@@Spar7anProjec7 Legit the moment Riven hits 6 she just runs at you and you're dead and there's no power in the world that can save you
"Chii?"
im not here to get jumped so chill out for a second while reading this. with that said, id like to respectfully disagree with some points he made. i think its fair to only pull stats from korea, as it is the undisputed best region, and therefore it makes sense to give numbers from there (this is because the changes in the meta usually stem FROM korea, so it would make sense to want to base ur stats and recommendations from there). also his arguments (the league of graphs one) didnt really make sense to me, he calls it a shit website, criticizes it for not having a tier list, and then just goes on about the riven win rate, his argument really seems to have no structure. i can understand why low elo poeple like tier lists made for them (not trying to flame), but a relatively high elo player such as hashinshin should be able to easily interpret the stats given from pickrate, win rate, etc.
i appreciate responses, just please keep it civil
ok after watching more of the video i just had to make another comment. i was really questioning his knowledge of champs when he was going through at 10:23 let me just make a list
akali- yes, she does need to know how her q works, but saying that is the ONLY thing u need to know is just ignorant. good akali players have mastered when to and how to use every part of her kit to its full potential, not just the q. knowing ur damage through out levels, how to position yourself for an all in, using her ult properly, when to pop shroud, all of these are things that you must take into account when playing her, not just her e.
riven- do i even need to say anything??? he doesnt even give "the trick" u need to learn. im not saying she is balanced by any means, but at least admit there is more to it than "realizing her kit is archaic and dated".
rumble- ok im not a big rumble player, but i can say there is more to it than "using ur ult properly." his heat mechanic alone makes him more complicated than majority of champions in league (my opinion).
camille- admittedly isnt a very hard champion, but she requires more than "shoot ur e next to a wall". things such as knowing what skills to take first and/or max are very important as well, also knowing how to juggle tower agro and dodge turret shots with ur r.
honestly, i could go on but i think ive made my point.
So 23% pick rate in challenger
So almost 1/4 players
Sooooo
One toplaner per team that has 5 members that means at least 2 riven main per game in challenger
But lets say they pick her mid or jungle or wte
Still 1/5 players so again same thing almost since
20% of 10 is 2 bla bla bla
That means that like base on stats obv
Top lane mains that are challenger and dont main riven are at 8% and the rest of the toplaners are riven otps
Mathematically speaking i might just wanna laugh at the 2.3m points plat2 riven otp with more than 1200 games that she is hardstuck 50-51% wr in eune server that lost lane the other day
Good to know
15:22 sounds to me like Devil is a Part timer ngl
>url literally says na.op.gg
>it doesn't tell you the region
?????
still broken u can check it by yourself
this just shows you the region in which you search for a summonername
So 5 movepseed is nothing, but five dmg is really much
kristian bojinov most champions start with 320 Ms, not 320 AD
Real talk,riven is actually sleeper op
Sleeper with that high pickrate
I wouldn't say "sleeper" op. She has been picked up a bit in pro LCS play. Most people already knew she was op, I believe that everyone, including pros, is finally catching up on Riven's bullshit
@@dracosol4415 Hi, umm could you name the pro LCS player that picked her? Cause I really dont remember pros picking her at all.
@@leventekerkai622 when TSM played her in 2019 LCS against 100 thieves. Granted it was Viper playing her but still she was played quite recently
@@leventekerkai622 i dont know the name of the players as i dont watch pro play that much but riven used to be played in pro play because i remember it was the same time as jax was being played probably because he does decently into her
Riven mains don't understand what GG means.
Hashinshin: OMFG Riven is so fuuuckin broken.
Also Hashinshin: Wtf, why did they buff Poppy so she now truly counters Riven?! Why?!
Because instead of directly addressing the problem (riven) they're just hard countering Riven to turn this game into rock paper scissor except one player knows what the other is throwing out first.
Playing rock paper scissors while instantly losing or winning lane in champ select is not fun. Instead of making impossible match ups just create dialogue in kits outside of herp derp dodge it
because having one counter to a champ and being forced to play that to have the biggest chances of succes is good gamedesign?
Riot should hit you up!
becouse it is still unfair for 120 other champs. do you even have a brain?
Yes, I understand all you wrote. But I don't say let's buff Poppy to oblivion, coz she counters Riven. No! I think there should be more "Grounding" and dash-preventing skills in entire game. I think this is much better way to need to meet Riven.
More hash vids pls
Oh we dont care if Ryze mains dont like his 100th rework,we dont care if Warwick mains basicly quit playing him cuz he is weak af,we dont care that all Aatrox mains are still mourning old Aatrox,but OH MY GOD IF WE NERF RIVEN WE WILL GET DESTROYED,THESE RIVEN MAINS ARE SO BIASED AND CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH,SO NO MORE NERFS FOR HER AND THEY WILL NEVER PLAY THERE CHAMPION EVER AGAIN CUZ PEOPLE ARE PERMA BANNING HER IN HIGH ELO
like if your a Riven main,explain to me why you think she is balanced and dont spout that HIGH SKILLCAP none sense cuz im not buying it,i have my own reasons for not liking the Mordekaiser rework,but i can agree that he is broken af and that making his old W his passive was a huge mistake,but im just gonna wait and see how his winrate goes,if he is still a pickban ill ask rito for a mini rework,just like they did with Urgot ,now back to you Riven mains and OTPs why do you think is balanced?
rIvEn iS bAlAnCeD cUz ShE nEeDs SkIlL
Yeah, she needs as much skill as any other champ to be played at a decent level, on the other hand if you get around to master her and become a fucking OTP you're like fucking unbeatable, you can look at people like Adrian Riven who constantly shit on people just because the champ is so OP on itself, but it also has many mechanics which when mastered can make her twice as OP, so because she can be twice as OP Riven mains think that her regular OP is "underwhelming and weak".
B-but riven mains say she is unplayable, would they lie???
People don't understand champ like riven is ... if you played Call of duty you remember some weapon were rlly too good .. UMP 45 in MW2 or Famas in black ops
Those weapon are mean for bad player, with them they can still do good game and enjoy their experience, every game need thing like that otherwise they will loose a big amount of money
i dont think riven is meant for bad players.
@@shakirakashah8590 there is a training mod now, 1 video and you fine to go against a dia player
@@6700adam well i still suck at riven no matter how many times i play her. So im living proof that riven is not meant for bad players.
Riven always was a broken champion
holy macaroni you are alive?
57 wtf is riot doing
nerf fkn zed
Đaŕķ Přínçe I’ve been spamming him even in bot lane, it’s disgusting
@@MetroplexBias i play zed adc and support but i failed to play him jungle
oh alrighty then,they balance everything based on competitive play,but when toplane is involved it's ok to fuck toplaners over because they're afraid of literally one champion's fanbase which is mostly 12 year old kids and professional onetricks? REALLY? I like the ''you're not streaming right?'' part,as if it's like a master plan to delete toplane from the game that mortals shouldn't know about
How do you have 3802k sub?
how tf is he saying aatrox is harder than gp lmao
I assume you're gold. lmao
I'm gold tho
He is master
@@robybartez7942 yee I know, I'm repeating what he said.
Wb
Everyone looking at Master+ stats like they are proplayers when most of the community is silver
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doesnt matter where the majority of the players are, game should be balanced around high elo.
Because they are the players that actually know what they are doing. Fiddle
@@fateani4241 yes but I mean, if riven gets nerfs or not doesn't matter to the people playing in silver.
SkyLong deft Riot is doing trickle down balance (balancing around top rank)
If u want to make a point to Riot, must defeat their reasonings with their own method.
Hash's delusional hypocrisy is so entertaining. His rant about champ difficulty just [do everything right] except Aatrox... he's so hard cause you have to... move. Actually had me in tears of laughter!
Simon E except Aatrox has to spend a Q and an E to guarantee hit while Riven’s Q has a built in dash for it to hit.
Riven is most likely the straight upgrade of Aatrox.
@@aparioss1072 I'm not just talking about Riven.
I disagree with you for a few different reasons, but that's not what's important. Riven is definitely stronger than Aatrox right now, but strength has little to do with champion difficulty. Although the stronger a champion is the more you can screw them up and still do well, my definition of difficulty would still be the difficulty to actually play them well.
Whatever you think of Riven or my definition of difficulty. I was talking about most-all of the champions Hash mentioned. I've played a few of them and I've played a good amount of Aatrox as well. Aatrox is definitely easier than many of the champs he mentioned for the reasons I said. I never said anything about dashes or about Riven. That said, most players have difficulty with mechanics and as such tier list difficulties are largely mechanical. As hard as Aatrox may be, anyone who thinks he's MECHANICALLY more difficult than most of the 'extreme' champs (esp Riven etc) simply hasn't played both champions.
@Simon_E Problem is there r much more in difficulty than just mechanic. Consider macro game as well, and how you incorporate that champion to your team, or to bring out victory with the champion.
Say Fiora, which has simple mechanic with deceptive “counter play”. In real life even when the Fiora is ahead, she has trouble making that advantage a win: she cant force fight, cant push hard, cant team fight well, ...
Or so to say, in the end, while Fiora is easy mechanically, she is difficult. In game development term, that is fake difficulty, coming from bad design, rather than well designed, intentional challenges for the champ. But in the end, that makes Fiora difficult to play.
The “tricks” Hashinshin mentioned are most definitely mechanical. For this, consider Zoe. There r some tricks Zoe can pull off to hide her R until her Q n E nearly arrive to give the enemy minimum time to react. But once Zoe players learn to do that perfectly, there s little to no way to counter her 8s CD combo, except with extreme measures (flash, teammate body block, zhonyas, ...). That one-sided gameplay is bad design, and brings Fake difficulty to whoever faces it. It cannot be considered difficult champion, if u learn a trick n the game s not interactive anymore. Thats bad design.
Aatrox is considered difficult to Hashinshin, cuz after nerf, Aatrox cannot trick his way to hit combo 100%. Good Aatrox can land combo n maximize dmg more reliably than bad Aatrox, yes. But There r many thing people facing Aatrox can do to mess up his combo, and at any point if he doesnt hit his skill, he deals ~33% lessQ dmg, and his very important Passive CD refund s cut in half. So Aatrox s not one sided champion, and thats actual difficulty.
The “high skill” argument of a lot of mains put there shatters when they realize when they do learn that “high skill” mechanic, they have one sided fight. And thats bad game design.
Phan Anh Nguyen try playing an outdated champ like volibear and you will see how "interactive" riven is.
@@randomness6498 Outdated champ is also considerably bad design by now so 2 bad examples not gonna prove a thing
aaahhh good old hashinshin that plays every matchup the same which means he runs at them uses his abilties pushes lane and coinflips the game every single time he plays league then complains about champs that punish that playstyle and his fucking d4-iron viewers think that he is some type of god and worship everything he says LMAO
Yea riven super op and easy, JUST PLAY HER I MEAN HASH LITERALLY DROPS AND PICKS UP CHAMPS BASED ON THE PATCH and how good they are so why not just pick riven huh?
He thinks riven is gonna get nerfed
He doesn't use champs that he thinks is broken, like back when urgot was considered broken, he stopped using him, back when jax was broken with essence reaver bs, he stopped using him, and when ppl were crying about aatrox being broken, he stopped using him despite him being his main at that time, after the aatrox ult nerf/rework, he started using him again as he thinks he's not broken anymore, that's what I like about him is that when he thinks something is broken and is bad for the game, he doesn't become a hypocrite and abuse it. He earned my respect for that. When you know something is bad and you complain about it, you don't turn back on ur words and do the same thing you said is bad.
He doesnt play broken champions, he evades playing champions that are just bad right now, there's a middle point.
Also he just doesn't enjoy riven, he tried to but it's just tedious and I can relate to that completely
He doesnt like playing riven. He said it himself
He played riven in grandmaster and won all of his games LMAO
is he actually arguing that Aatrox is more difficult than Riven, Gangplank, Rengar Top etc LMAO
Riven is easy to play though..
Are you actually trying to say that rengar which has one skillshot which is not even that imoportant and doesnt have to land anything to oneshot you is harder than a champ with 4 skillshots that if you miss you are punished so easily
@@viker9547 I'm talking about bruiser Rengar top, a totally different experience than playing him jungle.
@@haldern501 no matter the way you play rengar, he s not easier to play than aatrox
@@viker9547 Aatrox is not a difficult champion. He has very few losing matchups at toplane and is so strong in lane that it's hard to go wrong. Having skillshots doesn't equal hard to play, or else Lux would be considered more difficult than Zed, Riven etc. Rengar top has one of the most unique playstyles out of any champion, and I guarantee you that you couldn't pick him up and do well first game like you could (and I have) as Aatrox.
Riven is not even picked at worlds. Do you think you're better than pros? Do you think you know more than them? Ofc not. Riven is inconsistent and unreliable. She does great in solo Q's cause of the items. And shit D players who don't know how to counter her, therefore inflating her win-rate.
but balancing champions shouldn't base solely on professional leagues
@@minhhieunguyen613 Ofc not. Why would pros not use her?Since shes "OP"? Why is she so much more powerful in Solo q? Aatrox is a scuffed riven, yet you see him used by pros while riven get no game time. Aatox has around 4% lower win rate in solo Q. Is it really Riven that is broken? Or is it the items that are perfect for her? For example, if riven doesn't use conjurer she loses more than 5% win rate. Even in Solo Q EU and Korea she is not used. Only NA seem to be bitching about that champion.
Smartass nigga, she does get picked and she does get banned indeed. gol.gg/champion/list/season-ALL/split-ALL/tournament-LCS%20Summer%202019/patch-ALL/role-ALL/league-ALL/
Riven with no items vs other people with no items, Riven still shits on them, get real kid....
Riven does get picked sometimes. Also the pros are bitches on how they pick their champions