I see subtle skipped or missing frames in 25 or 50 fps videos on a PC screen from RUclips. The screen refresh is 60Hz, and therefore 25 or 50 do not divide evenly into the screens refresh rate.
Absolutely brilliant - never thought of altering the shutter speed/180 rule. Good news here in the UK; domestic tungsten bulbs have largely been replaced with LED types so this helps but, fluorescents are still around and probably will be for some time.
Fascinating, I never gave it much thought and always just assumed shutter speed should be double the framerate (24fps at 1/50th for instance). But I guess almost all of my resources are either American or Canadian 😂😂 Thanks for going in depth about it and providing an explanation I never knew I needed!
Joris u just cleared this up for me. I've actually been testing out what u explained n it worked. Now I know I can break that rule, just didn't know how to conpensate with light. 👍🏻 Thanks man. By the way, your 30fps style is beautiful. Makes your videos appear crystal like glitters. Super nice
@@JorisHermans 😀 I imagine the diverse opinions on 30fps. Trust me, I used to hate it too, I'm a 24fps guy. But MKBHD's 30fps style began changing my mind but then again, he shots on 8k Red, so when u brought the topic up again, I was interested in ur result cos u use Mirrorless like me. And bam!, your result was actually beautiful. Made you look crystally crips n heavenly 😊 My conclusion, 30fps will look great in a controlled set like indoors, I'm not too sure about other scenarios where u can't use lighting effectively to conpensate
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU EXPLAINING THIS STUFF SO SUCCINCTLY !!!!! AWESOME JOB !!!!! INTERESTING TO BOOT. I HAVE SUBSCRIBED AND LIKED THIS VID BECAUSE IT'S SO GOOD.
Great video as always! One thing to note though is that if you're shooting on a Sony A7iii (not sure if this affects other cameras), the footage at 4K 30fps will be somewhat cropped as it does not use all of the full frame sensor, possibly to compensate for the extra frames. So I keep mine at 24fps using PAL (I'm in Europe). I guess if I ever shoot in America I can just bump up the shutter speed to 1/60th to prevent the flickering!
Great video 👍. After watching one of your last video I am testing 30fps in UK. I used to do 24 and 25fps. It requires a tad bit of more light but in bright light it actually is advantageous, so I don't need Nd filter so much.
in my case I use cob led stripes that at maximum power work perfectly without flickering, but changing the power adds a type of flicker that gets worse as I reduce the brightness of the led, and I still haven't found a shutter speed that solves this problem. your video is very useful anyway. Thanks.
Hi folks, another thing to be aware of is that modern TV sets can deal with a wide assortment of frame rates. The NTSC/PAL standards covered much more than just frame rates - how the colour (color!) was encoded in the analog TV signal for example, most of which does not apply with modern digital displays. (NTSC = National System Television Committee, PAL = Phase Alternate Line).
These tips are valid. However, there is another way... Buy good led bulbs :) Those that have a proper AC to DC converter will not flicker. On any settings. And if you buy a studio lighting you will never ever see this effect on any camera settings :)
30p with 1/50 shutter speed looks amazing from what little I was able to sample here. All the smoothness I could want involving background and stuff like facial expressions/speech synchronization, but the blur for movement looks just like cinematic 24. I know you already switched back to 24, but could you please do more in this 30p-1/50 shutter speed format? Perhaps a full cinematic shot like the fair grounds or the evening walk done that way? Just as an experiment to compare against 24p-1/50 and 30p-1/60?
I never understood why I should use 1/60 for 30 FPS anyways (besides getting rid of flickering in NTSC countries of course), why would you want a different amount of motion blur when shooting in another frame rate? I think many people take the 180° rule too literally just because it happened to be the perfect amount for 24 fps back when it was mechanically necessary.
LMAO, that shutter tool is part of what I based my most recent comment on, lol. 25p 1/40 works in any country, is an integer frame-rate (no re-encoding mess by youtube or mismatched timeline possibility) and has just a slight bit more motion blur due to the 1/40 shutter that looks just a touch extra creamy to compensate the 1 extra frame making it look a touch extra smooth.
I'd appreciate any advice on this dilemma: I'm shooting with stage lights soon and NONE of the standard shutter speeds neutralise the banding. Thank god my FX30 has a variable shutter setting - only when I use shutter speed 1/53 - yes, *53*, does the banding disappear. My Sony A6400 does NOT have this option, I'm stuck with standard shutter speeds, NONE of them eliminate the banding. Is there ANY way to get a more precise shutter speed on the A6400?
Hey! thanks for the content. I am filming an Apple watch screen in a PAL region, but perhaps the watch came from NTSC. When I shoot it at 1/50 there is more flicker than 1/60 - but that shutter also still has some flicker. I can't change to NTSC because I dont want to orientate the entire project around this issue. What do you recommend?
I am in the UK - a PAL country - So how come, REGARDLESS of whether I use 25fps, 30fps, 50fps or 60fps on my video, the only settings that stops flicker are having the shutter speed are either 50 or 100? I cannot stop the flicker with the frame rate at say 60 and the shutter at 120, even though doubling the fps is supposed to do it - only 50 or 100 works
This happens with me at football games when using 120fps the lower my shutter speed it starts to go away so instead of 250th I drop it to like 200th and it goes away
I have footage with NTSC and PAL... 23.976 FPS, 24 FPS, 25 FPS... can I combine this footage in Davinci Resolve? Won't there be stretching and weird stuff? Thanks
I have a question! I have a SonyZV1, I tried to record myself drawing on my ipad (ipad pro m4 with oled display) and i couldn’t do anything for the flickering!! I’m so desperate I don’t know what to do :(
Great video I’ve learned something today thanks a lot ! 👍🏼Too bad not knowing that before : I visited Japan this summer and now I have to mix 25 and 30 fps video (hard to do) as I live in France and so setting my phone to PAL by default😡 Quick question not focusing on flickering but more globally : does the frequency of the TV matters for example if I have a 100Hz TV : is it better to stay with 25/50 or we don’t care ?
i filmed a video on my iphone, the exposure was set to auto, and the light varies during the entire video. It's awful. How would you fix this on capcut, is it even possible?
I use a Sony ZV E10 Mark II and I am in India. I am able to shoot in NTSC 24fps in 1/50 shutter speed and 60fps in 1/100 shutter speed in in indoor studio lights situation, it works absolutely fine.
Any solutions for flickering stage lights for music shows? I’ve shot in 1/60, 1/50 and had flicker on both. Only was able to really get away without flicker if I shot 1/40
I remember one of my earlier videoshoots where I had to film around a campus in Brussels. All of the lights were totally normal and didn't have any problems at all! No flickering! *UNTIL* we got to the lobby. There were mixed lights EVERYWHERE!! Some were fine, some weren't. And if I changed shutter speed for some of the lights, the others would mess up. And if I compensated for THOSE, then the original ones would start to flicker! That was a real nightmare!
I use Deband tool of Davinci Resolve 18.1 to remove the banding with adequate settings to not alter too much the footage. The result seems good. The Deband tool works.
And when I change my shutter speed, my fps, my fps and my shutter speed and that light keeps flickering? What should I do? I was shooting pal in a pal country
In UK I experience flicker on a iMac Retina display with fixed refresh rate of 60. This is with an IPevo document camera where I can set refresh rate to 50 or 60. Set at at 60 I get flicker when room led batten which is flicker free. When I connect the IPevo camera to MacBook where I can alter refresh to 50 I get NO flicker when room lights on! Very puzzling as room led batten is allegedly flicker free. When I use usb leds no issue. Why issue with iMac and not with MacBook. It would appear that the room leds are not flicker free as advertised. Any ideas?
Hey Joris! Nice video, thank you! I have a question, Does that apply to horizontal black bands going up in the video? or just that flicker from your video. Because that type of flicker can be resolved with deflicker in post, right? But i'm having a hard time finding solution for fixing in post the horizontal black bands... :( any tips?
At 120fps I shoot in 172.8° (1/250s) and there is no flickering at all 🤔 I don’t get why you say that there is no safe way to shoot in 120fps (In france, so, PAL country)
Thanks man, I just switched for today recording from 25 to 30fps and after downloading footage I realised that I doubled my shutter speed. And I have flickering that will sadly be part of the video. No time for re-recording.
DaVinci Resolve has a Deflicker tool. Haven't tried it myself yet so I don't know how good it is and I'm also not 100% sure if it's available in the free version.
This just happend to me. My canon r6mkii and sony fs5 are fine but my older canon t3i shows flicker at any shutter speed with one of my westscott camera lights. never had this issue and the bulbs are supose to be anti flicker...ahhhhh!
i was fly my air 3 in indoor wedding event. shutter was 120 fps 60 (180 formula) but i found FLUCTUATION when saw at my pc or also at lcd pls guide what will do for perfect sharp result note: i hear 50 shutter didn't gave fluctuation
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the problem nowadays is dimming. some led lights use pulse width modulation to get dimming, especially stage lights and this duration does not match anything. So "normal" caonsumer cameras would flicker in any shutterspeed setting. I even ran into a problem where i needed to film 3 screens and they flickered at different shutterspeeds. One was flicker free at 1/40 one at 1/50 and one flickered no matter what shutter speed i chose ... the only thing that helps are sometime cameras that let you choose the exact shutter speed for example 1/53 of a second and not just 1/3 stop increments but sometimes the flicker will not get away no matter what you do
I have this issue at work, when they have an event and want me to film it. They never have the house lights on full, they choose one of the many dimmable settings (there's about 11 levels! and never use the same one!), and I just cannot find the frame rate and/or shutter speed to eliminate the banding. So frustrating!
Thanks for the video, How about shooting 60fps to 25fps (PAL countries) project setting? (Slow motion) Is it better to shoot in 50fps rather than 60fps? Thanks.
Thank you so much, you're a life-saver! I live in a PAL country and a set my Canon G7X Mark II in Auto and Manual and my videos were flickering SO BAD. But in Brazil the frequency is 60 hertz, maybe that's why? 🤔 Plus, I love this effect of 30 fps slow movement since I was a kid (I never studied photography, but Canadian movies have this slow and smooth effect - comparing to American ones - and I could distinguish both just by that.)
Blij dat er is een Belg op RUclips zit met video's over filmen. En ik moet zeggen, even hoog niveau dan de bekendste Amerikanen/Canadezen. Pas een R6 gekocht dus voor mij interessant dat ge ook uw kleine Canon gebruik soms, A7 Siii is uiteraard zalig. Goed kanaal man.
"don't tell me in the comments that I don't know that the f*** I'm talking about' ahhhhh haaa! awesome moment!! great video, this is what I needed to know!
if you are using this idea for a client and you shoot using this and they want the footage for broadcast you will get your footage rejected. He should have covered that. While his work around does indeed work this could end up costing you a client or a job. There is a standardisation for a reason I do enjoy his videos tho and i'm glad he brought this up
So I’m in an NTSC country and shot some 30fps/1/60 at a theater and have flicker on some of the lights. When I go to 60fps/1/125 it goes away. What’s up with the flicker at 30?
I use a Lumix G70 set to service mode to get 60fps > Elgato Cam Link to stream via OBS. Now I bought an LED Logo on Etsy and it flickers horribly when not on full brightness. I changed flicker reduction on the camera multiple times but cannot make the thing not flicker or lower brightness :( my country's power frequency is 50hz but I don't wanna stream in 50fps
yeah you are right 120 fps in ntsc will not be able to change the flicker in PAL countries, but it does not apply if you do it walking around at night in PAL countries full of led lights and different bulbs, especially with your camera settings ntsc 30-60 fps, because you will soon be changing the shutter speed frequently
At 30/60 fps + 1/100 shutterspeed, will the digital stabilization be good enough to manage handheld, bumpy filming? (I'm using dji osmo action 3) I don't have, or plan to buy a gimbal at this point so I need to rely on inbuilt digital stabilization of the camera.
You are right. Unfortunately with NTSC- Framerates in a PAL country like Switzerland, where I live, you can't take clips in slow motion (120 FPS), there is no way to avoid flickering, as you confirm in your video. But 30 FPS at 1/50 sec. and 60 FPS at 1/100 second work fine.
This gets even trickier when editing and choosing which speed is your timeline. For example im in a pal country. I want to film at 4k 30 fps so how much do i set my shutter speed to so i dont get flicker then my timeline fps so i dont get stutter. Tricky stuff
My Lumix S5Miix also has a 24Hz CINEMA system frequency mode, can anyone help me understand what that means & if I can use it without as much math in both NTSC & PAL countries? 😆
Hi Joris thanks for the information🙂 I came across your channel whilst I was searching 'for how to film in 30fps in PAL?' and your video came up in search. Love how good the colours and everything look on this video it is beautiful, liked and subbed 🙂quick question I am in the UK so PAL and it annoys me that I can't shoot in 30fps to achieve that ever so slightly slowed down footage in a 25fps timeline that you can get when you film in NTSC at 30fps in a 24fps timeline. If I switch to filming NTSC do I use a shutter speed of 1/50th for both 24 and 30fps does that work?
Thanks a lot , man. I've been enjoying your videos a lot, mostly cause I've changed from fcpx to Resolve 18, but for some reason I hadn't subscribed, which I did now, lol! Cheers
What about actions cameras? When shooting with auto settings (variable shutter speed/ISO), should I record with 25/50 fps or 30/60 fps? Or it doesn’t matter since the shutter speed is not being controlled? (I also live in a PAL country)
I dont get it I live in a PAL country and every light is okey whetever i use 25/50/100 FPS or switch to NTSC with 24/30/60/120 my kitchen light flicker around like crazy even if I break the 180° SR. For example I use 25FPS/50SS Still flicker/25/40 25/60 Still there I don't get it.
Hi Joris. Thanks for the video! I m in PAL country region\. And I can see 100 and 150 fps are enabled in my R6II. When I shoot in 150 even though I follow 180 rule my video flickers while i playback, It does not flicker while recording. But no problem when I shoot in 100fps with or without 180 rule! Is this normal?
I still don´t get it. I was filming in Japan with my Iphone 14 pro. I was shooting in 60fps and 30fps for cinematic mode. All night shots are totally fine, no problem at all. Only during the daytime scenes the LED lights (traffic lights) are flickering like crazy. What went wrong and is there any chance to rescue my footage?
@@user-3y7vb6op9m thank you so much! This is a very helpful answer. In daylight, what shutter speed is necessary when shooting at 4k, 30fps in these not pal countries?
It has nothing to do with PAL or NTSC. It has to do with the frequency of the power grid, which is what made lights flicker. This still happens if you have the old type bulb or fluorecent light. It does not, however, happen with LED, Halogen or anything else that has an adapter between the power grid and the actual light.
I'm in Brazil (60hz), and shooting ntsc 4k 30fps with 60 shutter speed will give me a lot of flickering. So I switch to 50 shutter speed and it works. Is it right? As I'm in an ntsc country, why I still have to do that? But most important: I get A LOT of flicker on my photos as well! How can I get rid of that? Is there shutter speeds I just can't use? If so, which are them? That flicker on my pics is stressing me so hard
that only applies to non-hd resolutions: 480p30 ntsc = 576p25 pal 480i60 ntsc = 576i50 pal 480p60 ntsc = 576p50 pal 720p30 ntsc = 720p25 pal 720p60 ntsc = 720p50 pal 1080p30 ntsc = 1080p25 pal 1080i60 ntsc = 1080i50 pal 1080p60 ntsc = 1080p50 pal
Joris, hi! I live in a PAL region and have my Sony set to PAL, but then I can't use the newer XAVC HS format because it doesn't have 25fps for some reason. I've heard that the XAVC HS format is better than the older XAVC S, so I'm thinking of switching the camera to NTSC and shooting at 24fps with a 1/50 shutter. Are there any drawbacks to doing this? Thanks!
@@gianniche hey there i have the same problem no 25p for h.265. sony just dumb. But as you i shoot 24 with 1/50 and 120 with 1/250 flicker free :) Wohoo!
Hi. Can you help if I want to use Auto-Shutter Speed? Currently, while shooting in Thailand and India, if I use auto-shutter speed, I am having to shoot at 24 fps because when I switch to 50 Hz to avoid flicker, GoPro does not permit 30 fps.
Try Deband tool in Davinci Resolve 18.1 free version. I think there is one Deflicker tool as well but not in the free version. You need to buy the studio version. I don’t have yet the paid version studio. Deband blend well the banding. It is at least not very noticeable after applying it. It is free so you can test yourself and render the footage if it works..
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Love the color grading & lighting of your videos👏🏾.
You have the charisma to explain simple video concepts in a very beautiful way
I see subtle skipped or missing frames in 25 or 50 fps videos on a PC screen from RUclips. The screen refresh is 60Hz, and therefore 25 or 50 do not divide evenly into the screens refresh rate.
Absolutely brilliant - never thought of altering the shutter speed/180 rule. Good news here in the UK; domestic tungsten bulbs have largely been replaced with LED types so this helps but, fluorescents are still around and probably will be for some time.
Fascinating, I never gave it much thought and always just assumed shutter speed should be double the framerate (24fps at 1/50th for instance). But I guess almost all of my resources are either American or Canadian 😂😂 Thanks for going in depth about it and providing an explanation I never knew I needed!
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Now go tell Sony to not bother us with a popup about wrong regions. Also tell them to allow h265 in 25/30p mode too
Exactly what I needed, thanks 😃
THANK YOU Joris! You just saved our shoot today!😊
Hah! Great to see this demonstration following my comment and your reply on that video! Much appreciated!
I had this very doubt running in my mind for a few days!
Right then here it is! Thanks alot ! 🙌🏻
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Joris u just cleared this up for me. I've actually been testing out what u explained n it worked. Now I know I can break that rule, just didn't know how to conpensate with light. 👍🏻 Thanks man. By the way, your 30fps style is beautiful. Makes your videos appear crystal like glitters. Super nice
It's funny how different the comments are: Some people love the 30fps, some hate it, and most don't see a difference... 😄
@@JorisHermans 😀 I imagine the diverse opinions on 30fps. Trust me, I used to hate it too, I'm a 24fps guy. But MKBHD's 30fps style began changing my mind but then again, he shots on 8k Red, so when u brought the topic up again, I was interested in ur result cos u use Mirrorless like me. And bam!, your result was actually beautiful. Made you look crystally crips n heavenly 😊 My conclusion, 30fps will look great in a controlled set like indoors, I'm not too sure about other scenarios where u can't use lighting effectively to conpensate
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU EXPLAINING THIS STUFF SO SUCCINCTLY !!!!! AWESOME JOB !!!!! INTERESTING TO BOOT. I HAVE SUBSCRIBED AND LIKED THIS VID BECAUSE IT'S SO GOOD.
Thank the lord for this simple video! You have a new subscriber. Lee - UK
I tell you.. You nailed it.... This was the topic I was hunting for years... Thanks for the info. And solution.. Your are F....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Magical
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Great video as always! One thing to note though is that if you're shooting on a Sony A7iii (not sure if this affects other cameras), the footage at 4K 30fps will be somewhat cropped as it does not use all of the full frame sensor, possibly to compensate for the extra frames. So I keep mine at 24fps using PAL (I'm in Europe). I guess if I ever shoot in America I can just bump up the shutter speed to 1/60th to prevent the flickering!
Uh what do I do if I cannot adjust shutterspeed on my camera? On my phone?
Great video 👍. After watching one of your last video I am testing 30fps in UK. I used to do 24 and 25fps. It requires a tad bit of more light but in bright light it actually is advantageous, so I don't need Nd filter so much.
The ZVE1 automatically can detect and set the correct shutter speed to eliminate flicker.
in my case I use cob led stripes that at maximum power work perfectly without flickering, but changing the power adds a type of flicker that gets worse as I reduce the brightness of the led, and I still haven't found a shutter speed that solves this problem.
your video is very useful anyway. Thanks.
Hi folks, another thing to be aware of is that modern TV sets can deal with a wide assortment of frame rates. The NTSC/PAL standards covered much more than just frame rates - how the colour (color!) was encoded in the analog TV signal for example, most of which does not apply with modern digital displays. (NTSC = National System Television Committee, PAL = Phase Alternate Line).
Thank you for this
I knew this but still you made me root for the cause even more. Great video.
AMAZING! This solved the issue so easily. THANK YOU THANK YOU!!
Teh red link is realy helpfull. I will be shooting in all shutter speeds, so 50 fps in europe, I am good for any shutter speed. Nice one :)
Thank you Joris from Algeria, it was very helpful.
These tips are valid. However, there is another way... Buy good led bulbs :) Those that have a proper AC to DC converter will not flicker. On any settings. And if you buy a studio lighting you will never ever see this effect on any camera settings :)
30p with 1/50 shutter speed looks amazing from what little I was able to sample here. All the smoothness I could want involving background and stuff like facial expressions/speech synchronization, but the blur for movement looks just like cinematic 24. I know you already switched back to 24, but could you please do more in this 30p-1/50 shutter speed format? Perhaps a full cinematic shot like the fair grounds or the evening walk done that way? Just as an experiment to compare against 24p-1/50 and 30p-1/60?
You should look this video, it's more detailed.
ruclips.net/video/0kAuDuV9K9U/видео.html&ab_channel=PhotoJoseph
For my gopro11 here in Belgium doesn't work😢
I never understood why I should use 1/60 for 30 FPS anyways (besides getting rid of flickering in NTSC countries of course), why would you want a different amount of motion blur when shooting in another frame rate? I think many people take the 180° rule too literally just because it happened to be the perfect amount for 24 fps back when it was mechanically necessary.
LMAO, that shutter tool is part of what I based my most recent comment on, lol. 25p 1/40 works in any country, is an integer frame-rate (no re-encoding mess by youtube or mismatched timeline possibility) and has just a slight bit more motion blur due to the 1/40 shutter that looks just a touch extra creamy to compensate the 1 extra frame making it look a touch extra smooth.
I'd appreciate any advice on this dilemma: I'm shooting with stage lights soon and NONE of the standard shutter speeds neutralise the banding. Thank god my FX30 has a variable shutter setting - only when I use shutter speed 1/53 - yes, *53*, does the banding disappear. My Sony A6400 does NOT have this option, I'm stuck with standard shutter speeds, NONE of them eliminate the banding. Is there ANY way to get a more precise shutter speed on the A6400?
THIS ACTUALLY WORDED. subscribed and liked just for this thanks.
I really love your videos!!! You're helping me out like a loooot!!!
Hey! thanks for the content. I am filming an Apple watch screen in a PAL region, but perhaps the watch came from NTSC. When I shoot it at 1/50 there is more flicker than 1/60 - but that shutter also still has some flicker. I can't change to NTSC because I dont want to orientate the entire project around this issue. What do you recommend?
Fantastic as always - thanks Joris 🙏🏻
I am in the UK - a PAL country - So how come, REGARDLESS of whether I use 25fps, 30fps, 50fps or 60fps on my video, the only settings that stops flicker are having the shutter speed are either 50 or 100? I cannot stop the flicker with the frame rate at say 60 and the shutter at 120, even though doubling the fps is supposed to do it - only 50 or 100 works
This happens with me at football games when using 120fps the lower my shutter speed it starts to go away so instead of 250th I drop it to like 200th and it goes away
What country are you in / pal or ntsc?
Thanks this fixed my problem! I set my camera to PAL and set the shutter speed to 1/50
Très bonne mise au point sur le sujet ! 😀
I have footage with NTSC and PAL... 23.976 FPS, 24 FPS, 25 FPS... can I combine this footage in Davinci Resolve? Won't there be stretching and weird stuff? Thanks
I have a question! I have a SonyZV1, I tried to record myself drawing on my ipad (ipad pro m4 with oled display) and i couldn’t do anything for the flickering!! I’m so desperate I don’t know what to do :(
Great video I’ve learned something today thanks a lot ! 👍🏼Too bad not knowing that before : I visited Japan this summer and now I have to mix 25 and 30 fps video (hard to do) as I live in France and so setting my phone to PAL by default😡 Quick question not focusing on flickering but more globally : does the frequency of the TV matters for example if I have a 100Hz TV : is it better to stay with 25/50 or we don’t care ?
i filmed a video on my iphone, the exposure was set to auto, and the light varies during the entire video. It's awful. How would you fix this on capcut, is it even possible?
I use a Sony ZV E10 Mark II and I am in India. I am able to shoot in NTSC 24fps in 1/50 shutter speed and 60fps in 1/100 shutter speed in in indoor studio lights situation, it works absolutely fine.
Any solutions for flickering stage lights for music shows? I’ve shot in 1/60, 1/50 and had flicker on both. Only was able to really get away without flicker if I shot 1/40
I remember one of my earlier videoshoots where I had to film around a campus in Brussels. All of the lights were totally normal and didn't have any problems at all! No flickering!
*UNTIL* we got to the lobby. There were mixed lights EVERYWHERE!! Some were fine, some weren't. And if I changed shutter speed for some of the lights, the others would mess up. And if I compensated for THOSE, then the original ones would start to flicker! That was a real nightmare!
I use Deband tool of Davinci Resolve 18.1 to remove the banding with adequate settings to not alter too much the footage. The result seems good. The Deband tool works.
And when I change my shutter speed, my fps, my fps and my shutter speed and that light keeps flickering? What should I do? I was shooting pal in a pal country
Thanks Joris!!! It help me a lot.
In UK I experience flicker on a iMac Retina display with fixed refresh rate of 60. This is with an IPevo document camera where I can set refresh rate to 50 or 60. Set at at 60 I get flicker when room led batten which is flicker free.
When I connect the IPevo camera to MacBook where I can alter refresh to 50 I get NO flicker when room lights on!
Very puzzling as room led batten is allegedly flicker free. When I use usb leds no issue. Why issue with iMac and not with MacBook.
It would appear that the room leds are not flicker free as advertised.
Any ideas?
Great video, but what if you shoot in 24fps? should we use 1/40 shutter speed?
Hey Joris! Nice video, thank you! I have a question, Does that apply to horizontal black bands going up in the video? or just that flicker from your video. Because that type of flicker can be resolved with deflicker in post, right? But i'm having a hard time finding solution for fixing in post the horizontal black bands... :( any tips?
At 120fps I shoot in 172.8° (1/250s) and there is no flickering at all 🤔
I don’t get why you say that there is no safe way to shoot in 120fps
(In france, so, PAL country)
Probably LED lights then. Here in Belgium it doesn't work with regular lights. And I'm not just saying it: www.red.com/flicker-free-video
I was having problems with some LED lights at a trade show in Japan. Should had adjusted but I did not.
Nice video. How about DJI drones for example to avoid the flickering’ any suggestions?
Thanks man, I just switched for today recording from 25 to 30fps and after downloading footage I realised that I doubled my shutter speed. And I have flickering that will sadly be part of the video. No time for re-recording.
DaVinci Resolve has a Deflicker tool. Haven't tried it myself yet so I don't know how good it is and I'm also not 100% sure if it's available in the free version.
@@JorisHermans Yes, I tried it and it seems doing wonders.
thanks bro for the video..really helpful!
This just happend to me. My canon r6mkii and sony fs5 are fine but my older canon t3i shows flicker at any shutter speed with one of my westscott camera lights. never had this issue and the bulbs are supose to be anti flicker...ahhhhh!
i was fly my air 3 in indoor wedding event.
shutter was 120
fps 60
(180 formula)
but i found FLUCTUATION when saw at my pc or also at lcd
pls guide what will do for perfect sharp result
note: i hear 50 shutter didn't gave fluctuation
the problem nowadays is dimming. some led lights use pulse width modulation to get dimming, especially stage lights and this duration does not match anything. So "normal" caonsumer cameras would flicker in any shutterspeed setting. I even ran into a problem where i needed to film 3 screens and they flickered at different shutterspeeds. One was flicker free at 1/40 one at 1/50 and one flickered no matter what shutter speed i chose ... the only thing that helps are sometime cameras that let you choose the exact shutter speed for example 1/53 of a second and not just 1/3 stop increments but sometimes the flicker will not get away no matter what you do
I have this issue at work, when they have an event and want me to film it. They never have the house lights on full, they choose one of the many dimmable settings (there's about 11 levels! and never use the same one!), and I just cannot find the frame rate and/or shutter speed to eliminate the banding. So frustrating!
Thanks for the video,
How about shooting 60fps to 25fps (PAL countries) project setting? (Slow motion)
Is it better to shoot in 50fps rather than 60fps?
Thanks.
Thanks you clear up my confusion!
Thank you so much, you're a life-saver! I live in a PAL country and a set my Canon G7X Mark II in Auto and Manual and my videos were flickering SO BAD. But in Brazil the frequency is 60 hertz, maybe that's why? 🤔
Plus, I love this effect of 30 fps slow movement since I was a kid (I never studied photography, but Canadian movies have this slow and smooth effect - comparing to American ones - and I could distinguish both just by that.)
I just randomly change the shutter speed a little bit until it goes away - works most of the times
legend , i love ur videos
Blij dat er is een Belg op RUclips zit met video's over filmen. En ik moet zeggen, even hoog niveau dan de bekendste Amerikanen/Canadezen. Pas een R6 gekocht dus voor mij interessant dat ge ook uw kleine Canon gebruik soms, A7 Siii is uiteraard zalig. Goed kanaal man.
Tof dat meer landgenoten de weg naar m'n kanaal vinden! 👊🏻💥🇧🇪🍻
"don't tell me in the comments that I don't know that the f*** I'm talking about' ahhhhh haaa! awesome moment!! great video, this is what I needed to know!
if you are using this idea for a client and you shoot using this and they want the footage for broadcast you will get your footage rejected. He should have covered that.
While his work around does indeed work this could end up costing you a client or a job. There is a standardisation for a reason
I do enjoy his videos tho and i'm glad he brought this up
may i ask , if i shot in 120fps it's more prone to flicker?
That was very helpful.
So I’m in an NTSC country and shot some 30fps/1/60 at a theater and have flicker on some of the lights. When I go to 60fps/1/125 it goes away. What’s up with the flicker at 30?
what about 1/40
I use a Lumix G70 set to service mode to get 60fps > Elgato Cam Link to stream via OBS. Now I bought an LED Logo on Etsy and it flickers horribly when not on full brightness. I changed flicker reduction on the camera multiple times but cannot make the thing not flicker or lower brightness :( my country's power frequency is 50hz but I don't wanna stream in 50fps
Thanks for this. Top man!
I want to shoot 180 fps in outdoor artificial lighting condition in India how to get rid of flicker in that case
Any solution for iPhone? I just shot 4K 60fps with iPhone and all the Christmas decoration lights are flickering like crazy.
yeah you are right 120 fps in ntsc will not be able to change the flicker in PAL countries, but it does not apply if you do it walking around at night in PAL countries full of led lights and different bulbs, especially with your camera settings ntsc 30-60 fps, because you will soon be changing the shutter speed frequently
Helpful videos. 😁 p.s you look like Chuck Norris😁
That's a first 😅😎
Thanks for sharing!
At 30/60 fps + 1/100 shutterspeed, will the digital stabilization be good enough to manage handheld, bumpy filming? (I'm using dji osmo action 3) I don't have, or plan to buy a gimbal at this point so I need to rely on inbuilt digital stabilization of the camera.
You are right. Unfortunately with NTSC- Framerates in a PAL country like Switzerland, where I live, you can't take clips in slow motion (120 FPS), there is no way to avoid flickering, as you confirm in your video. But 30 FPS at 1/50 sec. and 60 FPS at 1/100 second work fine.
This gets even trickier when editing and choosing which speed is your timeline. For example im in a pal country. I want to film at 4k 30 fps so how much do i set my shutter speed to so i dont get flicker then my timeline fps so i dont get stutter. Tricky stuff
1/50th / timeline 30fps 🤝🏻
im kinda new at this but isnt there the 180 degree rule shouldnt it be 1/60@@JorisHermans
My Lumix S5Miix also has a 24Hz CINEMA system frequency mode, can anyone help me understand what that means & if I can use it without as much math in both NTSC & PAL countries? 😆
Hi Joris thanks for the information🙂 I came across your channel whilst I was searching 'for how to film in 30fps in PAL?' and your video came up in search. Love how good the colours and everything look on this video it is beautiful, liked and subbed 🙂quick question I am in the UK so PAL and it annoys me that I can't shoot in 30fps to achieve that ever so slightly slowed down footage in a 25fps timeline that you can get when you film in NTSC at 30fps in a 24fps timeline. If I switch to filming NTSC do I use a shutter speed of 1/50th for both 24 and 30fps does that work?
Thanks a lot , man. I've been enjoying your videos a lot, mostly cause I've changed from fcpx to Resolve 18, but for some reason I hadn't subscribed, which I did now, lol! Cheers
Does your computer monitor do 50hz or 60hz? That would affect the playback of your footage.
What about actions cameras? When shooting with auto settings (variable shutter speed/ISO), should I record with 25/50 fps or 30/60 fps? Or it doesn’t matter since the shutter speed is not being controlled? (I also live in a PAL country)
omg, saved my life ! Thank you sir
I dont get it I live in a PAL country and every light is okey whetever i use 25/50/100 FPS or switch to NTSC with 24/30/60/120 my kitchen light flicker around like crazy even if I break the 180° SR. For example I use 25FPS/50SS Still flicker/25/40 25/60 Still there I don't get it.
You just saved my life! 👍
But what if i want to shot 60fps? I cant use ss 1/50.. the lowest is ss 1/60.. 😊
Hi Joris. Thanks for the video! I m in PAL country region\. And I can see 100 and 150 fps are enabled in my R6II. When I shoot in 150 even though I follow 180 rule my video flickers while i playback, It does not flicker while recording. But no problem when I shoot in 100fps with or without 180 rule! Is this normal?
I still don´t get it. I was filming in Japan with my Iphone 14 pro. I was shooting in 60fps and 30fps for cinematic mode. All night shots are totally fine, no problem at all. Only during the daytime scenes the LED lights (traffic lights) are flickering like crazy. What went wrong and is there any chance to rescue my footage?
@@user-3y7vb6op9m thank you so much! This is a very helpful answer. In daylight, what shutter speed is necessary when shooting at 4k, 30fps in these not pal countries?
It has nothing to do with PAL or NTSC. It has to do with the frequency of the power grid, which is what made lights flicker. This still happens if you have the old type bulb or fluorecent light. It does not, however, happen with LED, Halogen or anything else that has an adapter between the power grid and the actual light.
I'm in Brazil (60hz), and shooting ntsc 4k 30fps with 60 shutter speed will give me a lot of flickering. So I switch to 50 shutter speed and it works. Is it right? As I'm in an ntsc country, why I still have to do that? But most important: I get A LOT of flicker on my photos as well! How can I get rid of that? Is there shutter speeds I just can't use? If so, which are them? That flicker on my pics is stressing me so hard
fun fact: brazil is actually pal-m (ntsc b&w with pal color) but it doesn't really matter anymore because it's analog tv
@@gamecubeplayer but I still get a lot of flicker, because of the light!
i change shutter speed to 1/50th at 30fps ?
Thank you🎉
Is it true that you can get slightly better video quality on PAL as it has slightly more lines of resolution?
that only applies to non-hd resolutions:
480p30 ntsc = 576p25 pal
480i60 ntsc = 576i50 pal
480p60 ntsc = 576p50 pal
720p30 ntsc = 720p25 pal
720p60 ntsc = 720p50 pal
1080p30 ntsc = 1080p25 pal
1080i60 ntsc = 1080i50 pal
1080p60 ntsc = 1080p50 pal
THANK YOU SO MUCH
Which is better for ntsc 24 fps 1/60 or 30 fps 1/60. The 30 doesn’t break the rule 1/2x
Joris, hi! I live in a PAL region and have my Sony set to PAL, but then I can't use the newer XAVC HS format because it doesn't have 25fps for some reason. I've heard that the XAVC HS format is better than the older XAVC S, so I'm thinking of switching the camera to NTSC and shooting at 24fps with a 1/50 shutter. Are there any drawbacks to doing this? Thanks!
Only drawback is that if your camera shoots 120fps in NTSC, there is no safe shutter for 120fps to avoid flickering lights.
@@JorisHermans thanks!
@@gianniche hey there i have the same problem no 25p for h.265. sony just dumb. But as you i shoot 24 with 1/50 and 120 with 1/250 flicker free :) Wohoo!
@@Kenflyer 120 fps don't need 180º rules. Do 360º and will go well.
@@JorisHermans slow motion in general. 60fps at 1/120 is also imposible. The maximum safe shutter speed is 1/100
Hi. Can you help if I want to use Auto-Shutter Speed? Currently, while shooting in Thailand and India, if I use auto-shutter speed, I am having to shoot at 24 fps because when I switch to 50 Hz to avoid flicker, GoPro does not permit 30 fps.
Do you have found a solution of this for Gopro?
Try Deband tool in Davinci Resolve 18.1 free version. I think there is one Deflicker tool as well but not in the free version. You need to buy the studio version. I don’t have yet the paid version studio. Deband blend well the banding. It is at least not very noticeable after applying it. It is free so you can test yourself and render the footage if it works..