Cooler Meta: What's the Problem? - Splatoon 3
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
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How to scare a Splatoon 3 player? Just show them a Pencil.
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Problems in Splatoon 3
• Problems in Splatoon 3
Timestamps
0:00 Intro
1:33 Poll Results
3:13 What's the Problem with Cooler Meta?
5:37 Weapon Nerfs (Version 7.2)
6:53 Shot & Pencil
9:07 +10p? Seriously?
10:19 Something new...
11:23 My bias
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Tell me what you guys think is the *PROBLEM*!!
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i think with pencils paint and sprinkler 210 p will not really help the meta same with shot, 220 would be healthier and nerfing shots paint by a small amount and decresse pencil range by 2%, small changes but may cause a shift in meta (tri-nouveeau 200 p please)
The problen is they didn't balance short range to long range advantages well. The maps are biased to long range. The weapons don't have much to counter long range. Tri Slosher for instance cannot reach long range and also has a special weak against long range and even some short range weapons. Then charger is strong against short range and has splat bomb which is strong against short range and ink vac which is strong against long range.
I would like to see a comparison of update cycles. I'm in favor of long intervalsbetween patches to figure out the meta, but if it was different and better in the previous games I'd love to hear.
Coolers qr and special saver need to be toned down along with pencils paint. Because being able to respawn on the get go of being splatted with all or most your special gauge is obserd making pushing back against a teams offense is unbearable,and don’t forget that pushing after breaking their offense unrewarding because you’ll just comeback right after.
Imagine traveling back in time to pencils release and telling someone that its gonna be meta
lol yeah I remember it was trash when it came out
"Sprinkler is useless and cooler is not the special this weapon wants"
@@Chuka_26 It wasnt really trash. It just needed a bit more buffs because it had potential nobody saw at the time being
@@harmless9336 pov: the update came, pencils strafing, paint and ink efficiency were buffed and people start using it
@@Chuka_26 bc pencil did no damage to crab and crab could counter cooler comp easily. What keeps crab in check rn is zooka spam bc thanks to the patch note 3.0 zooka has a better damage multiplier against crab, if it was changed back we prob would go back to crab meta
I want an ultra stamp meta so badly just to see what it’d be like
Give it longer than e litre throwing range and booyah explosion
Some of my thoughts:
Shot is the most impactful nerf to me, 52 (either) is giving it more competition even with weaker kits because its a much better main gun in a meta with more midline slaying weapons, shot keeps up with zooka spam. The other weapons won't change this is the only one where it might matter since it slows that down. I could see more people using gal if the rest of the comp can get in well enough which would prolly make the meta feel way better.
Pencil doesn't hurt it's output enough and squeezer/range aren't picked for their specials, you pick them for the gun.
Ren is also right about Bubble imo, that special is not only horrible for the meta but doesn't fill the displacement role Zooka has, instead buff jetpack strafe speed :) (Chump could also work since it blocks pencil shots well at times)
Pencil/Edit should stay good (esp pencil here) I'm more ok with them safely toning it back because keeping anchor cooler options in addition to aggro cooler options let's comps be more diverse, zap replacing it would be way more boring. Shot on the other hand contributes to zooka spam more then anything else, it should be pickable but it should not be the main thing in comps. I think it's most important to go.
I really don't want to see pencil nerfed. When it was released, nobody played it. Now that object specials have fallen out of favor, it's on everyone's chopping block.
Im just sad to see that with pencil being this good, Tetra won’t see any play, as others can play Zombie with a better weapon, now I don’t have an excuse to die all the time
Said like a big name Splatoon youtuber
I think the cooler meta is a rough diamond that just needs polishing, with a couple changes(ex; more options to fight against pencil, tone down cooler a little) it could be the best meta to ever exist.
I think the reason squeezer and range are so dominant is because they are good at fighting splattershot. Same with stamper. If you are seeing a lot of splattershots, pick something with more range than it that can hit it from behind walls(range blaster) through its own splash wall(squeezer) or just absolutely straight up destroy it ( all 3 of the aforementioned weapons)
It is the feat of human engineering that pencil actually lets people think they’re good at the game
Intro is genius, excellent memeing and editing my friend
if pencil does get nerfed, im hoping its just a paint nerf and slight range nerf cuz splatterscope range is kinda nuts
Imo, cooler meta is way more interesting than crab/machine meta was. Two splash, two machine in most team comps was fucking boring. Now we can actually see sloshers other than machine, we even saw a few BRUSHES at Splatoon 3 World Championships.
A wonderful video! Yeah the problem isnt really Splattershot and Cooler, its Zooka and Pencil. Imo most of Chara's idea for a Zooka rework sounds good to me besides getting additional shots if you hit direct hits. Pencil wise; they should reverse the points for special on other cooler options, that nerf was very silly, maybe make Pencil 220p too or nerf its paint a little. The other Cooler options need to feel viable next to pencil and they just dont rn
this reminds me of 3.0 in splatoon 2
what was the meta back then?
@kristiankalinic2663 Zooka
it was empary brella and smth else
@@dabrreadman Blaster! Prochara talked that one time about it.
"the rock paper scissors meta"
I'm thinking since World Championships, the next patch will probably be a bit more drastic. This one was too soon after Worlds for it to be a factor, but the next one will almost certainly be influenced by it.
I kinda thought this patch was influenced by Worlds or by the hype of it but your probably right
I have a good cooler nerf idea. Make it so cooler weapons don’t get to keep all their special charge on death when under the cooler effect
smart idea
This doesn't change anything for cooler meta, since most of the time you are under cooler effect you are unable to charge it effectively giving you 0p to special so you wouldn't lose anything anyways
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Never seen your channel before but the way you laid this all out really opened my mind and I feel like I have a better grasp of the state of the game🙏🏽
Thanks man. That means a lot.
@@GUSplatoon Of course!😁
Ok so I have been cooking in the background for awhile and now i come with several new changes that might just work out.
First one is that all the special saver from cooler has been cut to only 1 main because you still want to have some special if you get wiped out by a zooka or something (which we will get too)
Second is that all specials will have a hard duration nerf. All of them. Even ones like zooka and strikes will have a hard duration nerf like missiles and rain where even if you die or use them all you will have time wait x amount of time to ise them again. A somewhat common strat of shootint 2 shots of zooka and then dying to basically get zooka back immediately has been very stupid for so long that im surprised that they let it in for so long. This mainly hurts special spam weapons more than fighting weapons but it does limit the amount of spam you can dish out making something like crab be allowed back to play if the zookas have been expended.
Third option (which as a pencil main im sad ot say) is a reduction of the paint range. The kill range is fine if we actually let pencil counters back in the meta but a paint nerf can lessen the coolers by a long shot. If pencil goes the go too chargers will be most likely eliter with the maps we have and we all know how bad of a weapon eliter is to fight
I think the problem is how the best specials weapons are dependant to the playstyle it was made: Cooler with backlines and high movility weapons, zooka with midlines, you need to copy a weapon in order to make another weapon that competes with the meta
As much as people hate pencil we really shouldn't kill it because a weapon able to fufill both support and backline to enable more aggressive comps is nice to have as an option
You know even though pencil is a requirement this is still the best meta since Splatoon 2's rock paper scissors one with brella blaster duallies. It's just encouraging more and more fighting from 3 of the team even if pencil doesn't act aggressive
Using sub power up on splat bombs really helps against long range. I rather run that than stealth jump and just choose my jumps wisely. The extra splat bomb range gives me more of an advantage during a game than the occasional safe jump
Gus: Ignore that.
Me: Lol, with my aim? No judgement here 😅
Jokes aside, I really liked the video! Thought you did a pretty good job breaking down and explaining everything. :-)
great editing, was really entertaining
Thanks dude.
2:43 splash wall tacticooler snipewriter would be horrifying
2:42 I think Pencil would be as much of a problem still with the mistaken kit here, lol
Holy shit lmao
Nice catch. Mistake on my part.
I think the best way to deal with zooka is making it worse against other special. Make it deal less damage to bubble, booyah, wave breaker and slightly less damage to crab. This makes high tier weapons with these special (machine, splash, splat roller, sblast, range) more favourable against zuka matchups. Zuka is already toned back by cooler so having other specials function better against it can help out in matches a bit better. Then pencil should just be slightly nerfed to have less run speed, but it can stack better with run speed up so that it increases its gear dependency on it which means it can't run as much charge up. I'd imagine pencil would still be ran but it would have much less special output. Finally, I'd buff displacement specials like chump, booyah, strike and missiles(I wouldn't buff missile but revert the old special points changes made to weapons because the nerfs and added cooldowns made the special mid anyways) so that zuka doesn't feel like the best displacement special and opens more options from zuka.
They've already nerfed Zooka's damage into bubble and yet bubble is only used on TC, and Zones when zooka can flip the zone by itself
Zooka having three quick, barely reactable shots means that having responses to zooka are inherently less effective, especially when not played at LAN tournaments
If only Heavy Edit had a bit more Range it could compete against Pencil for Cooler Out put since it paints better and a shorter special meter... it just not as good of a back line cause of its range being smaller.
Great video Gus! I went back and fourth about this with both zooka and cooler, and I think the best way to make things change is to ultimately change the affect cooler has. Not only will this force players to avoid wanting to use cooler but it will potentially lower the zooka need in the meta. Now Zooka is a problem all together and Chara made a great video on fixes he thinks would work for Zooka and I loved his take. Shorten the spacing on the 3 spirals, lower the hit box, and even after using all 3 shots you still have to wait for the cooldown. Kind of like how Cooler is now.
If I were to change coolers affect I would change its ability to keep your special charge. After all, while QR is huge, knowing you cant come back with special built changes how you go about playing the game forward. You can die with zooka and suffer its consequence but I like it because now it forces you to decide to either build up special again or go in and engage in fights. Afterall most of the maps if not all of them aim to pressure players to engage rather than play far away from each other.
I like to think Crab meta, or the end of it I should say, was a golden era. More weapons were getting buffs and their specials too in order to take care of crab. But crab was still getting played up until more nerfs came its way. We saw a rise of weapons shifting through the different levels of competitive and were having fun with them. Maybe we will one day see a meta that isn't purely based on special spam.
Better than long range/missiles…
shot needs a weakness. It has ridiculous ttk, one of the best kits in the game, shooter movement and ink efficiency. The weapon is fucking stupid.
not only shot, I feel znap and 52 really powerful among short range weapon
I'm a casul but imo nerfing Zooka startup and Cooler special saver should be priority when it comes to nerfs. both are just really silly aspects of those specials
I remember the rise of cooler meta began at the ballpoint meta when the jetpack was so good that you can only use QR to counter it. And people found out that this special is so good so we keep using it.
Also, it seems like the pencil is pretty dominant in zones, but is it that good on other three rank modes when grinding the solo q?
In solo queue, tier lists do not matter
You can climb with any weapon - weapons that have strong solo carry potential are better, so even though Pencil completely dominates in every mode in comp, it's not good in solo queue at all because people don't follow up on the space you create all the time
What do you mean when you say “recycle” Trizooka at 8:35? I’ve been hearing that term used for tent a lot lately and am unsure what it means.
….um…it’s a secret 🤫
How about you stop gatekeeping and answer the question?@@GUSplatoon
@ToT4433 @lxchris5252
Recycling would mean here to get the special again and again
To do this with tent, you play more passive and you spam shields; make sure every time you have your shield, you launch it toward a useful position and as often as possible, it’s how the weapon moves, fights and paints
By sending your shield to an area where your opponents are, you’re guaranteeing your shield will charge your special while you, as an independent player, can still also paint on your own; the weapon can basically “split” itself in 2 different players and paint 2 different areas efficiently whenever it wants
Also, the shield paints and allows you, the player, to access and paint certain areas areas other weapons can’t: if a charger is staring at the bridge on mincemeat, tent can actually go there and contest that space and paint the area the charger was protecting by staring at it
To spam zooka you just need to be more picky with your fights, and not go for every greedy trade you could get if you chose to go in the shield every time
If CMO doesn’t do it, I’ll make a short about it
@@dtthire tysm!
@@GUSplatoon i saw the twt post LOL i didnt think you were gatekeeping dw !
Imagine a Reefslider Meta
I feel like this meta is fun the things I feel like Nintendo should do are:
-give more viable cooler options (they kept nerfing coolers other than pencil, AND THEY FUCKED UP TORP COOLER ON DREAD AAGGGG)
-nerf Zooka’s startup (and maybe add lag per shot and lower duration so you don’t just shoot and pray)
- make there more than one way to counter the zooka like (saying in a perfect world with the nerfs above) making it more susceptible to being rushed down, and having a special that hard counters it other than negating it (bubbler can work but it won’t be that fun to fight against if it is meta defining tbh)
This meta is super fun but it would be way better if we something with more diversity :P
Tacticooler should not be touched imo, it's taken over a year for the devs to finally buff the special to not be deadweight and currently it's only in tournaments/open that it's actually super strong.
the team that ran 0 cooler in worlds got completely sweeped, i feel like it needs to be touched if thats the case
Buff Triple Ink Strike. Make it so you can swim and it would make it such a better displacement tool against long range
OMG I WOULD LOVE THAT
I’m still perplexed that they nerfed Squeezers paint output! It wasn’t even good at painting!!!??? Like wtf
Squeezer is still the best main weapon in the game regardless, so it needs some downsides
the one time gus mentions strikes...
Im sorry
its fine lmao. the content that that game gives you is insane.
There are only 3 constants: life, death ,and pencil being on top💀
idk seems fine to me in solo Q. I'm glad they don't solely focus on competitive players like other multiplayer games do, because casual players rarely have loud voices to express their opinions without them being drowned out by fans of comp players.
They’ve never really focused on competitive players though lol
The majority of updates are geared towards casual play.
@@GUSplatoon Yea that's what I am saying and I am happy with it, unlike other multiplayer games which are often geared towards the competitive players. Nice video tho btw
The games already perfectly balanced for casual
Could always reverse it. Give pencil 60 dmg back and zooka 40 outer dmg. Instant meta kill.
I think cooler isn't the problem, it is the weapons it is on, they don't have enough, and many of the ones we do have are kinda bad like the dapples and dynamo
Being able to use your special immediately after jumping back in is a huge problem and it makes games more steamroll-y
Winning a large team fight only for everyone to come back with zooka and other retake specials will never feel good, and the special saver that cooler provides is the problem
@@tarosykes true!
the entire game is starting to feel pretty monochrome.
i miss the feeling of "oh shit there's something coming"
call me crazy for saying this but this is the reason why i think that splatoon 2's specials were better. they felt impactfull rather than annoying. a LOT of specials in splatoon 3 are annoying istead of effective. killer wail 5.1, chumps, wavebreaker, screen, inkvac, rain, yes even splatoon 2's tentamissles because it got nerfed to infinity and beyond
also in case any dev is reading this: IF YOU WANT MORE CHUMPS. THEN ADD MORE CHUMPS **TO THE CHUMPS**. NOT TO THE MAIN WEAPON
They were impactful because they disrupted the entire game for free bubble could litterly be used as a moving nuke,tenta was broken and its nerf as absolutely deserved and STINGRAY ooo boy map wide laser you can’t do anything about that cheezes objectives.The “annoying” specials your talking about can be annoying but at the end of the day the specials you seemed to enjoy were more annoying and broken then ones we have now.honestly you just admitted to saying if it ain’t broken it’s annoying and sad.
I just think that trizooka is cool...
They shouldn't touch zooka. The maps are so biased to long range. Zooka at least gives short range something to counter it. And yes zooka needs to be instant because E litre etc is instant.
E liter isnt instant
Splattershot main spotted. GET EM BOIS
You can see where charger shots are aimed and react much easier though
They should atleast give people a moment to react to it instead of this bs take fast chucklenut or your dead.also since when was e literally instant.
@@marshall3973flicking
Pencil is the problem, but also just 100% special saver is op. Make it 80%
Even though these weapons got 210p now, you could just counter that with putting a bunch of special charge up ability on your head gear, clothes gear, and shoes.
Rewatch 7:23
Don't care.
Don’t care