Unarmed Man Shot About 60 Times by Police | Jayland Walker Case Analysis
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
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Everyone has been saying either "suicide by cop" or "excessive force," but you explained it can be both at the same time and went over all the psychological dynamics involved, which aren't obvious to the average person. This is one of your best videos.
I read in an another news article that Jayland's fiance had a really bad car accident. She was the driver and had no seat belt. She was ejected from the car onto the hwy. There were 3 other occupants in the car and they were wearing seat belts. The Fiance's car was hit from behind by an 18 wheeler and it is not believed to be her fault. Two motorists who saw the accident stopped along the shoulder and intended to retrieve the fiance's body from the road and render first aid. Another 18 wheeler ran straight over this woman and did not stop. They are still trying to find a way to locate that truck. The other family members saw the whole thing unfold and were horrified. Jayland was not at the scene.
Jayland's family said that he was devastated and began to exhibit negative emotions and symptoms of depression. Jayland's family was worried about him. The family members said they were having a difficult time getting Jayland to speak with them about the tragedy. One family member said that the "laughing, clowning, happy Jayland simply disappeared."
Jayland was working for Door Dash at the time and his family speculated he had the weapon because he could be robbed.
The fact that Jayland left his wedding ring on the seat of the car and exited the car wearing a hoodie and ski mask may indicate he needed to escalate the situation to complete his suicide by cop.
It would seem he tried to end his life this way the night before and it did not go to plan. The cop discontinued the pursuit. So Jayland had to set things up again the next night.
It would help everyone in the community if they would allow the facts to come forth and see that Jayland may have wanted to die this way.
In the future, other investigations involving excessive force by law enforcement should not be undermined or receive less attention because this case was not fully explored.
Anyone who intends to commit suicide by cop with a high speed chase coupled with discharging a firearm has to ask themselves what may happen to others who have nothing to do with the situation. There could be a fatal car collision or perhaps a stray bullet inflicted on others who had nothing to do with the situation. I feel terrible for Jayland. An 18 wheeler truck ran over his fiancee's body in the middle of the road and kept going. To Jayland, the love of his life was killed like a dog. His rage built up and he lost control of himself.
The fiancee's family commented that law enforcement hasn't done enough to locate that 18 wheeler truck, but law enforcement came back and said they are actively working the case. This might be a clue into Jayland's state of mind.
I think your analysis of the situation, is spot on.👍
That’s horrific. How utterly awful. I hope they find the driver and charge him/her.
Thank you so much for your comment - I feel like I have a better understanding of what happened.
Thank you for all the info. Such a tragedy.
Who cares? Still no reason to run and shoot at police.
If they rioted and burned down Akron, who'd notice the difference the next day?
“Put your hands up” and “don’t move” are actually two conflicting demands and is a common mistake the police make all the time…so I disagree with your opinion that they were clear with their words. I’m actually surprised that that’s not when they started shooting since we’ve seen that be the case in many instances
There's a comma between the two phrases which implies they are sequential actions.
To be honest, the situation looked like “suicide by cop” fairly early on.
Yep, broke his taillight, didn't stop, speeded, fired his gun, was wearing a ski mask - he had to have been doing all of that on purpose, otherwise, it makes no sense.
Absolutely. 😔
In hindsight of course it seems obvious. But that’s only because we have most of the facts of the case
@@ezay8694 What I meant to say is that it appeared that way to me during the retelling, but yes, I’m certain hindsight plays a big part in that.
another motivation could be money for the family. set them up for a lawsuit against the police. suicide + chance for a few million
Suicide by cop. I've been suicidal and in group therapy with other suicidal people, and unfortunately I have a lot of experience with losing loved ones to suicide. Most people don't realize how often suicidal people consider the option of suicide by cop, especially males. And it's not to make cops look bad. I've never heard anyone talk about this aspect of suicide by cop. It's a desperate thought process where people aren't quite sure how to assure their own deaths, but really want to achieve that goal. The conversation usually ends up at the point of "well I wouldn't be able to chicken out". Because a lot of people put guns to their head and can't find the nerve to pull the trigger. Then, believe it or not, they start feeling even worse about themselves, with the thoughts like, "I'm such a failure, I can't even do this right." Of course, I don't know, but I have a strong suspicion, this man tried to shoot himself several times over the loss of his fiance, but just couldn't do it. then saw the opportunity of suicide by cop. He was probably building up his courage when he slowed down, and also when he turned and looked back then started running again. Psyching himself up to stop, turn, and reach for his waistline. I doubt it had anything to do with the cops themselves. In his dark reality of grief, they didn't exactly even exist to him. The only thing that existed of them were the bullets he anticipated in their guns. His thoughts were of deep grief, loss, and pain and he was desperate to stop it. It's a testament to how awful our mental health care, and our police forces are in this country.
Sadly insightful. Hoping you're ok. It's really scary having those kinds of thoughts.
@@lizsays3324 it's suicide by cop 100%
@@lizsays3324 100% Justified he shot at the police
Glad your getting help.Good luck to you
Ty for sharing.
Thank you Dr. Grande! You aren't afraid to go against the grain and tell the truth as you see it. That's why I love your videos!
@@TheWraith7 🤷♂️
Your Police can apprehend mass murders/shooters without a scratch. However, fire 80 bullets at an unarmed man; this is a pattern in your country.
@@TheWraith7 bro the catch people that have actually killed cops alive. The difference is usually based on skin.
@@TheWraith7 once again mass killers and cop killers are taken in alive. Yet unarmed black men are always shot. The difference is always based on race. Can you explain how a white person can kill the cops and still be taken in alive?
@@TheWraith7 I knew the narrative you were going to use we have a recent case of white man 5 hour standoff killed 3 cops still taken to jail Alive. Say it like that on goggle and it will show up. The difference in these shooting is always race related.
“Fires out of car” “unarmed”
"No mother should have to worry about her son being killed everytime he shoots at a police officer"
Exactly
We’ve all been there before
I try to keep it to a minimum especially
During the holidays when my mother
Is all ready stressed enough
There will come a time when good people realize that moral degenerates cannot be reformed, cannot be reasoned with and will not stop until they have destroyed everything. Good people will be forced to do bad things.
He was not unarmed. He was shooting at police as he led them on a pursuit. He was also wearing a ski mask.
He was unarmed when the police shot him.
@@kaitlynhazelett yes, but the police weren't to know that. Still heartbreaking, of course. And so many bullets! - so much hatred!
@@kaitlynhazelett How are the police supposed to differentiate when the suspect no longer had the firearm? He already indicated he was armed, and he already indicated his intent to kill police when shooting after at them. Are they supposed to wait for more shots to be fired, hoping they miss? This one is pretty open and closed.
@@kaitlynhazelett Did you even watch the video of what happened? He fired at the police during the Chase and when the cops got close to the vehicle he took off running then turned around and faced them with his hand near his waistband and died for it.
Dude- did you even listen to Dr. Grande's analysis???
My brother had intentions toward suicide by military police. My parents and his close friend were able to orchestrate a mental health crisis intervention during which he was committed and eventually diagnosed with bipolar disorder (I forget if type one or two). He now receives regular therapy and injections to manage the disorder. I’m sure for many suicidal individuals, suicide by police is plan A, because once the plan is in motion it’s, relatively, irreversible.
A sober, thoughtful, educated analysis. I appreciate you.
It's not like it matters. Shootings are an American past time. More popular than baseball (grabs popcorn).
@@suzygirl1843 Its about as much as a past time as Jihad terrorism is a past time since Muhammad 711ad.
@@suzygirl1843 Murder is a human past time.
No, I was thinking the exact same thing as you were covering this case. He wasn't trying to escape, he wanted to die. That's so sad. As someone who's struggled with those feelings as well, if anyone else is struggling with them, please get help, it really does get better. Thank you for covering this case Dr. Grande, you did an excellent job as usual.
When you can't even get a doctor's app , I can't even imagine how tough it is to get Psychiatric help
For those who need help, there are now virtual therapist appointments. It is a lot easier to get one of these.
@@johnmitchell8925 it’s so tough! Once I had a baby and my neighbor was constantly influencing me with negative thoughts and I was super tired and didn’t sleep for a long time , and I’m prone to depression , have ADHD and PTSD and basically had a post partum psychosis. I could not get any help. And nobody could understand what I was going through. Finally I checked myself in to emergency long story short , two times I ended up in that emergency room in one week until finally they took me to the psychiatrist. This is Canada. Montreal. Year 2013 .
Suicide by cop
i agree: he wanted to die. Police were not ay fault.: he fired a pistol before, then later reached for his waist, the taiser already failed. What were they supposed to do? People can still fire a gun when shot.
This was done very thoughtfully and tactfully , Dr. The situation is definitely more complex than the media portrays. Theres alot to unpack in this whole case. Good analysis.
Agreed, except i don't agree with the notion he was trying to make cops look bad by pushing a social agenda. He just wanted suicide by cops.
I live in the Akron area. The consensus by many locals is "suicide by cop" as he had just lost his fiancé by a car accident. Tragic none the less, for all.
Let me sum this up, Jaylan signed his own death warrant
This looks like it could be a case of target fixation. During WWII gunners on ships would keep firing at an enemy plane that was already blown apart and on fire. Even though the plane was already destroyed and coming down in flames they would continue shooting at it. It happens because people get highly fixated on a target while it is an active threat. Then even after the threat no longer exists they can't turn off their defensive response. It probably has to do with the adrenaline rush during a deadly situation.
Good observation and explanation. Never heard of it but it makes sense!
Yup. You nailed it. You absolutely get “tunnel vision” when you fear for your life and shoot a gun.
Doesnt seem like that
Agreed
I would think that it’s incredibly difficult to squeeze the trigger and even more difficult to stop
Don't forget, it takes seconds to fire bullets, not minutes.
There is something called contagious gunfire. The cops, full of adrenaline, shot him too many times. However, it seems pretty clear that this was a suicide by cop.
Well wow I wish it were that simple. But NOT.
NO matter, they shouldn't be shooting once he's no longer a threat. They should be fired for that at least.
A phenomenon we never had in my Army experience. Control of fires (in many ways) is something we took seriously and practiced. As for cops, no such ingrained control measures.
They shot until he stopped moving and they knew he was no longer a threat, exactly as they are trained to do.
@@Golgi-Gyges Then they need more training, and also pay to go with that training. If they're only half trained, then they should only get half our respect.
I really do love your videos, I have learned so much from you and I feel as if I am a student attending one of your lectures. You maintain a true consistency in your analysis. Please keep up the good work. You are truly appreciated! Thank you again for your chanel content.
Thanks for your take, I didn't know the whole story. Sad times.😞
I think your analysis was very reasonable. Thank you for always doing your homework!
I agree. Quite reasonable and approached things from a variety of angles. I liked it too
The idea of suicide by Cop is not new, but to play out a scenerio where his family would be compensated by a lawsuit and he would be lionized as a victim/hero is a relatively new ammendment to these type of actions. I foresee a time in the near future where police departments will no longer be able to recruit or retain enough good officers to function as law enforcement agencies.
This analysis is not reasonable given that Jayland was responsible for this incident.
Somehow the Doc seems to me to have been the kid who was always stoked to do home work in school.
If you did your homework you wouldn't be thanking him for this b.s. But it assuages your guilt, right?
This one is bound to be controversial for some people. Thank you for having the guts to cover it.
Some people? I think we all know who they are.
It's not controversial to me. More people are waking up to what a farce police shooting outrage actually is. His actions were performative and put so many lives in danger as a result. No wonder his ex fiancée wanted to get out. Edit to correct her passing, the real tragic event in this situation. 😔
It doesn't take guts to speak with prejudice.
@@SmallBobby The terrifying thing is that MANY will watch these videos and still lie (even to themselves) about what happened. Like, the protestors. Some/many/most will literally watch a video like this and say the cops murdered him. It is disgusting.
@@zenamen5221 troll
Thank you Dr Grande, I can always count on you explaining the situation step by step and from all points of view. Thank you for what you do!!
Suicide by cop. Great analysis as usual, Dr. Grande. I wish more people would wait and get the facts before reacting. Each case is different.
So easy for a white woman to "wait and get the facts". Wonder how many times you've been harassed at the airport, store, whilst driving by cops/security.
Has nothing to do with the use of excessive force and the fact that they took the bait. It's murder
@@cejann3926 right! Funny how this rarely happens in other developed countries. Yet we see cops shoot unarmed people over and over again. Its bizarre
No crime short of possibly murder justifies what comes down to a lynching. Don't tell me that any of this is a reasonable reaction. If you think it is, you have a really warped view of what is right or wrong. De-escalation is key, too.
@Amanda nah, fuck em. Sucks his aim was so poor.
He literally had a gun and shot at cops. Watch the videos released by the Akron PD.
He said that at 6:20 thereabouts in the video.
Kinda confused by your comment as that was fully explained in the video.
Several media outlets left that information out….hmm but why? 🤔
@@christerry1773 Because they sell drama and i would also say because racial division is good for democrat and neocon Republican politicans
@@OccultDemonCassette With such a misleading headling i don'T even click play.
I think you nailed it - suicide by cop. Cops overreacted ... like cop mob syndrome and then to put handcuffs on him was really overkill. Lots of adrenaline there.
They always put them in handcuffs even after being shot. Then they render aid if they can.
And yeah the minute cops get shot at that changes the situation and their mind set from this guy wants to get away to this guy will potentially kill us to get away.
Thank you for not being afraid to articulate what I believe so many of us believe to be the truth of the situation. You are 100% spot on in your analysis.
This video deserves 10x the number of views than it has.
Things that police department needs to fix. The mixed message of 'don't move' and 'show me your hands'. This is why only one officer should be shouting commands (without the swearing, come on cops, quit that), and the commands should be clear.
The cops nearest to him should have been the only ones to shoot.
I see no reason to keep on shooting after the person is on the ground. If there was any threat after that, it could still be handled. And some cops even re-loaded.
There is no reason whatsoever to handcuff a dead person.
There is such a thing as overkill and this police department engaged in it.
👍 👍
So Jayland did a lot of things you should not do while in pursuit by police.
Understatement
Did he deserve 60 bullet holes in him while active shooters got safely secured to a jail house.
why is one comment hidden? what did it say?
@@LisaAnn777 just noticed also , probably got reported.
@@kristita_888 adrenaline can do that though, it's easy to judge when your not in a situation fearing for your life. Police are people too who want to go home to their families and not die trying to di their duty. This guy fired a gun at them and ran bringing them on a high speed chase endangering the public and the officers. He was wearing a ski mask and refusing to comply with orders. That many round is excessive, but they needed to stop an active threat and they did just that. These situations are not as strait forward as people make them out to be.
I can always count on a thoughtful analysis from you and this was no different. It is a sensitive situation and I have a large amount of respect for you deciding to cover this subject. This is a horrible situation for so many. My thoughts and prayers are with everyone touched by this tragedy.
“Thoughts and prayers” lol.
Nice self pat on the back.
@@Bootheater1 oh god just shut up
Really you are a blue line trumper thug and boot licker trumper thug......cop watcher red Winstead from tupelo Mississippi.
Every time I listen to you describe what you think happened!! The most disturbing part is how you describe the police as “untrained” if they are “untrained” “profanity filled” what is the likelihood the narrative they provide is truthful?
I appreciate your honest and thoughtful take on this case. Thanks for your insight.
You're very well spoken and brought up many good points
He wasn’t unarmed , he fired shots at police officers , Hell I’m not even American and I know this !!
He was unarmed when he was shot.. He shot the gun during the car chase.. when he left the car, he left the gun there.. That said, cops didnt know this.. so this was a justified shooting
@@drdelewded He was "mostly" unarmed!
People being relieved or justifying it was “suicide by cop” is disturbing. No one is saying that it wasn’t.. the issue remains that it is excessive force. 90 rounds on one person. How can anyone feel better like oh it was suicide ok but 90 rounds? That’s the reason for the protest. That’s the reason for the outrage. When you have mass shooters being taken into custody no problem but 90 rounds for this cmon the protest and outrage is justified. Excessive for to this magnitude should be reviewed and punishable.
It wasn't though
In 2014 there was a police shooting where an elderly man reached into his car for a cane that the cop thought might be a weapon. The copy fired 5-6 shot and only hit his leg. That's why each officer fired multiple rounds - handguns aren't that accurate at all.
I appreciate Dr Todd speaking slowly. It allows me to watch the video at 2x speed and get through the video in half the time.
I don’t know anyone who is more objective on this subject than you. I love how you even get into the psychology of police officers. Too many people don’t see the grey areas when analyzing police involved shootings. They see criminal thugs and hero police officers or thugs with badges and victims. I hope that your objectivity catches on. It’s desperately needed
Donut Operator did a good video on this subject
@@DoubleDash28 I agree, but Donut is polarizing to some because he was a police officer. I agreed with everything he said, but again, I'm a police officer. 🚔
Sadly I doubt it will catch on for many. Too many people view these situations with their emotions rather than objectivity. The cruel truth is that the hard life some black men live leads them to a willingness to end it all(as a martyr). That’s why people can only see these situations with emotion, bc it would hurt even more to accept that the victims wanted out.
"I don’t know anyone who is more objective on this subject than you"
I do, anyone that doesn't just take the police's word for happened. Believe it or not, they lie.
There was no shot.
@@melissabruner1224 You'd have to be a cop to buy that this kid shot at them. I didn't know that, I'm unsubscribing.
If regulating emotions is something that can't be easily taught, then is there any way to assess someone's ability to regulate their emotions? Screening this as part of the hiring policy for police might eliminate some of the least suitable officers.
No there is no easy way to assess how people will respond under the actual duress of a life or death situation. It would be unethical to expose people to circumstances that bear that level of threat.
There are certainly stress based assessments for shooting, but they cannot parallel the actual level of threat that real circumstances carry.
What the hell and where the did all those other bullets go
It already is. Go have someone shoot at you, then abruptly turn around in the dark of night and tell me how calm you'd be. 👍
Most places are barely able to staff what they feel is enough cops - they’re not turning anyone away.
Yes, Lets not forget the trigger happy gun toters!!
To me it seems like Jayland wanted to commit suicide after losing his fiancee, which is why he instigated the officers which showed a lot of restrained. While the police officers aren't innocent either on this, I can't lay the blame solely on them, its everyones fault. I will say this, it was an overkill, they could have shot his legs, arms or somewhere else that was not going to lead to Jayland's death.
Your trained to shoot center mass. Leg or arm... Haha. Its not the movies. Try again.
Good to hear a voice of reason in this case with details that are not mentioned in all media
It's interesting how nobody seems to be reporting that he fired at the police
It's interesting how some ppl still don't understand why that would not justify what the police did. 🤷♂️
Of course not 🤷🏽♀️, they “ conveniently” always leave that part out🙄.
@@colorbugoriginals4457 If you shoot a bullet at a cop, expect to receive one back. 60+ shots is excessive and no one who’s competent would argue that. But we can’t act like the officers are going to respond with tasers against an armed suspect over protecting their lives and the lives of their fellow officers.
I've heard about it. So have you. How can we have heard about it if nobody is reporting it? And what would be their motive for hiding it?
maybe don’t fire at police, exit a vehicle with a ski mask on, fight off a taser while running, then abruptly turn towards them when any reasonable person would believe he might of had another fire arm🤷♂️
The full clip of the pursuit and capture of this guy is online. He got out of the passenger side of the car with a mask on so the police could not have targeted him because he was black.
They had his information. The cops didn’t have to chase him. Also, look at the case in Illinois where a white suspect killed cops yet he only got arrested, no shot 60x. We all know what is happening.
Ofc they had to chase him. Police cant let an armed criminal run away and cause harm.
The difference with the white person is that he didnt run or resist. Why do they keep running from traffic stops?
Pull over. Obey the police Comply and you won’t die
They had his information, do what? "Hey you just shot at us, but we'll catch you later, take er easy."
People like you who make excuses for uncivilized and unlawful behavior are doing society a great disservice. The mass shooter was arrested without incident, therefore the outcome. Your comparison is nonsensical at best.
Wow! Fantastic analysis and very interesting thoughts. I had not thought of this angle and I think you are absolutely right. I learned a few things! Thank you!
I like how objective you are, but also how you seem to have a high moral compass. You're able to reason and make the argument that cops should be trained more, and that there's some underground imbalance within the police culture with what happened.
I disagree. What do you expect to happen when taking a shot at a cop?
@@sgnt9337 I’d argue that they did everything right up until they fired 90 shots at the man. In the heat of the moment, I understand the reaction. But in reality, every one of them should’ve stopped firing once he hit the ground.
@@ezay8694 if a suspect is shooting at you you're trained to "Center Mass and unload mag" what I'm wondering is how they only shot him 60 times if there was eight officers and I'm assuming each clip has 10 bullets
@@orangemangas2465 what made you think it's 10 mags? It's Ohio not NY. Cops usually have a Glock with 17+1. 4 cops shooting full mag is about 68 so it's very possible
@@nomad155 brother I'm a long way from New York I'm all the way in Northern killa Cali Stockton, which they're probably going to build a wall around us pretty soon.
It was like eight cops and I'm imagining each one of those cops had at least a 10-round clip.
So my question is how much time are you guys spending at target practice, you only got him 60 times?
Dr. Grande would you consider doing a video on the Ron Samuels, Heather Grossman case? Ron was a millionaire who put out a hit on his ex-wife and she ended up a paraplegic. He had outbursts in court and was constantly trying to be in control of things.
Has my vote!
I’d definitely tune in for that! Everybody give the original comment some likes! 😁
PUSH!!!!! ;-)
... OMG I forgot the 11 in between... PUSH!!!!!!111!!!!
I remember that case.. I was so happy to know that get new husband stayed with her.. What he did was so disgusting but I constantly saw her smiling and it's like man she had such a beautiful spirit..
I am interested in that case, too.🙋♀️
Please, if someone is fleeing police and then shoots a gun before stopping his car and running into the dark night, if I'm giving chase with 7 fellow cops when suspect pretends to shoot at us, I will shoot until suspect is clearly down on the ground. Sorry, I wouldn't stop to take a poll of my 7 fellow officers to find out who would be responsible to shoot and subdue the fleeing suspect who appeared ready to shoot again.
why does the title say “unarmed?” 😂
@@Ron.Swanson. After he shot his gun the first time, he removed the clip and left it in the car. The only one who knew he was unarmed and only pretending to shoot was the criminal.
@@Ron.Swanson. because after he started the gunfight, he left his gun behind, but pretended he still had it. A level of deviance, you don't often see.
@@chuckrobinson599 yea I mean I am just trying to point out the stupidity of the title. it’s a rhetorical question that basically states the title is absurd
@@Ron.Swanson. I understood you. Thanks for the response, which made me think of readers who may be confused by title and truly believe cops knew criminal left His gun in his car but shot him anyway.
Dr. Grande, Would you please put out a video about how police departments can screen out candidates who can't regulate their emotions well. Is there a reliably accurate and objective way to do this?
The fact that his fiance died and he acted like he was brandishing a gun when he didn't have one when he was running sounded like suicide by cop. Poor guy...
I'm a progressive liberal in my political views. I'll admit to having a negative personal bias towards the police.
That being said, I can't argue with the conclusion that the use of force was justified.
I do think it's ridiculous that they fired as much as they did.
My issue is with the 90 rounds fired in the direction of the apartment buildings with hundreds of people in them. It showed an utter disregard for the public.
You're full of bologna.
@@justinatest9456 The suspect should have stopped somewhere that had a safer backdrop. Got it, great idea.
@@martinwhite418 Blue team can do no wrong. Got it.
@@justinatest9456 "blue team" doesn't get to pick where suspects chooses to engage them. You have probably never had to shoot at someone or been shot at. You don't even believe what your saying.
The police should have been so brave in Uvalde, Texas!
Not exactly “unarmed.” He had shot at police from his car, then fled, leaving his gun behind. The police did not know he was no longer armed. Here are two tips for survival: 1. do not shoot at police; 2. when police come to arrest you, submit to their authority and save your arguments for the judge.
My cousin is a retired police officer from NYC and he told me about a training session they all have to do, where they have to go through a simulated course where good guys and bad guys pop up and they have to navigate through and not shoot any of the good guys. After he went through it, they asked him how many times he shot, and he honestly thought he had shot maybe 10 times, but in actuality he shot closer to 20 times, including reloading. He was very surprised, as were the other guys who had to do it too. Apparently they all pull the trigger multiple times as a reflex, so it’s not uncommon.
fund the police, they need MORE gun training.
Great let's have these guys guns to shoot at us
@@dee8714 Okay, they don't fire more shots then needed. Jaylen has body armour on, get up, and riddles them with bullets...yeah no it's called the idiot either thought he could get away or was attempting suicide by cop. The response is appropriate for someone who's presented themselves as armed and dangerous turning making a motion that literally anyone with a brain stem would interpret as some armed and dangerous idiot about to open up on the officers.
@@dee8714 I would like to see how you would react in war. probably very calculated and accurate. probably help some civilians and give them chocolates too.
U should already kno what these DEMONS would say even tho u said "it happens, here's an anecdotal proof." This is hate. This is malicious. This is inhumane.
Thanks for the objective analysis. I have one thing to point out. I've watched numerous videos of suspects getting mag dumped, falling down, then jumping back up. That's why they often keep shooting when the guy falls, and why they cuff them before anything else.
exactly, they know this punk doesn’t care to listen or follow the rules , and already discharged a weapon, they ain’t taking no risk
Lol. Maybe get better training , if the only way to apprehend a suspect is to turn them into Swiss cheese you’re doing it wrong ,
@@VDxVicious they succeeded in stopping the threat and not one of them was gonna just be nice about it, each one of them made sure the suspected was done for. there just happened to be a lot of them there, thanks to the doofus that decided to start a whole police chase . now the precedent is, shoot at cops, you turn into swiss cheese, and that’s how it should be
@@VDxVicious I don't think you read their comment very well
King Vicious don’t shoot at a cop…obey their orders why is it so hard to understand
Thank you for providing an actual objective analysis and not just leaping to the popular narrative like most people would do.
You're a shallow namby pamby. You're only complimenting him because you're bitter. Stay bitter you deserve it.
It's good to hear a rational perspective on this, I live a block away from the akron police department and it's been very chaotic for the entire city, there's so much accusation and blame being tossed about and the way the local media word their headlines it's obvious that they care more about getting peoples attention by spinning the story in the most controversial way possible than presenting it the proper way. Thanks Dr. Grande.
I think any time policemen are fired at with a gun when chasing someone fleeing there is a chance the non complying person will get hurt. Thanks for the details on the psychological state of officers in the shooting. I hope the controversy is resolved in a fair manner. These days we need more police doing their work well, not less. imo.
Why only the black Americans are the ones expected to be compliant? Have you ever see a noncompliant white man? How come they are not shot? Even when they have murdered multiple ppl ? This a smoke scheme to racist white men who joined police force to exact their hatred of black Americans only wearing uniforms!!!!
Agreed: when a person shoots at a police officer who is chasing them, there is a chance they will get hurt
I am a skinny, blonde hair blue eyed private school girl and when I was arrested for smoking weed at an abandoned house, I knew if I ran I could get hurt. 1) white 2) minor 3) upscale neighborhood 4) female, all of these factors and I still knew the odds of running away from the police unharmed were not in my favor. Don’t do crimes and don’t run, it’s hard to feel bad for those who do.
@@zombrero7870 He didn't shoot, though. He just motioned like he was going to, probably to commit suicide.
@@cellogirl11rw55 I meant when he shot at them from his car
Cardinal Rule. Never Draw On A Cop. Period.
Flying around in his car, shoots a gun while driving and speeding around risking other’s lives. These kinda things dramatically increase the chances of being shoot by cops.
Play deadly games, win deadly prizes.
The kid was wrong, but i just wish the officers would have this much initiative with the white school shooters.
Those cops would have been just as slow and cowardly if the shooter had been black.
The ones they capture follow instructions.
@@80808O true
I am surprised that you never once thought that he was terrified of this police to begin with. I would be.
Don't act like him and you'll be fine
Jumping out of car with a ski mask doesn't make the police think your non threatening.
Lol
I thought your analysis, and your final thought were incredible, Dr. Grande!
Years ago, in a magazine called Scientific American Mind, there was an article about Your Brain on Fear (or something close to that), but you described so perfectly how our brain, and body, zeros on the immediate threat in an extremely hyped up manner, and how other senses and details become diminished.
You always provide such fascinating content! Thank you for everything you do! ♡♡
He was unarmed at the time he was shot, but he wasn't unarmed throughout the whole pursuit. He shot at the pursuing officer
I also agree with you, I think he was depressed and wanted to go out in a controversial way
It's controversial all right
he had no right to try to take others down w him! go sh** your self, but never fire at police and innocent bystanders. i’m sick of the tired excuses. he was a thug criminal who got what he deserved
Never join voice with non-Black people over the killing of one of our own by the police - never.
Also this guy doesn’t have a criminal record but he decided to start shooting at cops bc he got pulled over? That’s insane!
Probably was feeling suicidal I imagine.
@@Mouletypasse 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Cops have been planting guns for decades. Still no proof he shoot at cops lol
he was definitely suicidal and unfortunately because of current political climate he might of wanted this to happen but idk that just a guess, either way it's a very unfortunate incident. wish he would of just pulled over and took the ticket instead because this is just more senseless death that the nation doesn't need.
@@thexskating He was wearing a ski mask. Suggesting he was either in his way to of back from a crime. Just because you don't have a criminal record doesn't mean you haven't committed a crime
Moral to the story: One shouldn’t throw rocks at a hornet nest.
Jayand wanting to martyr himself or whatever the hell that was to make a statement (if that was the intent, if that theory is correct) it only made the public both hate cops, and make people think black people are stupid and careless when it comes to the law. Something that's already a problem, and the stereotypes still exist. So in the end, his death accomplished nothing.
It's unfortunate but Mr Walker made his choice that day and these are the results. He is a great example of what not to do when the police are attempting to pull you over.
non-Black subjects give chase to the police and give them all kinds of grief in difficult arrests and manage to live to tell. if they can take down mass shooters without killing them, there is no excuse for this. he had no gun. he was unarmed. but you vicious racists will continue these lies until there is no country left.
why did they handcuff his bullet riddled body? what's your answer for that?
You don't have to do anything and this can still be the result. SMDH
Excellent breakdown of this case Dr. Grande. Your review is unbiased, logical, and insightful, as per usual!❤️
Sort of unbiased. I'd say his review of the police is overall sound, but it's dangerous for a person w a professional degree to make a broad assumption about the emotional state of the man who died. I certainly agree w other parts - except to assume he was "manipulating" others by his death. Yikes. It does seem the police didn't want to shoot - refreshing. I agree wholeheartedly w Dr Grande's philosophy on selection of police officers. Tho these officers certainly acted to avoid shooting initially, it's understandable there were protests due to the significant imbalance in our society at this time. I do wish more people, in authority positions, would calm down and discuss issues - I imagine Dr Grande as a mediator.
Extremely sad to know the pain he must have been going through. I don't think this is a situation that requires blame, just understanding and empathy for everyone in this tragedy. I don't think he intended his death to start any uproar, but simply wanted his pain to stop. I hope people will see that and allow his family and his fiance's family to grieve in peace.
"I don't think he intended his death to start any uproar, but simply wanted his pain to stop."
But why destroy so many lives in the process? I don;t buy it. Why do you assume he was in pain? Maybe he was just reckless.
@@Wolferal What? He was suicidal following the horrible death of his fiancé.
@@shroomyk -- Do you have a link to this info? I'd like to read about it.
@@shroomyk -- You said "What?" like it's shocking I didn't know this. Every news article I've seen only mentions the shooting event - not the inner lives of the deceased or the cops.
I completely agree with you, Dr. Grande. Excellent analysis, as always! ❤️
Suspect was armed and shot at police in a high speed pursuit This shooting was justified
Shhh. Stop ruining the narrative that White cops are racist.
He fleed on foot WEARING A SKI MASK ... Nothing suspicious about that. Chilly in Ohio during June
@Peter T When did he lie? He said the guy was wearing that mask...
Thanks, for the explanation. I listen to you for step by step turn of events. I hear what happened without spikes to my blood pressure.
Thanks for an informative analysis. Much better than I was able to extract from the regular news.
This is heartbreaking.
I can’t believe he ran from the cops like he did.
I’m sure he missed his girlfriend.
Just can’t see… that many rounds fired.
But…. I wasn’t there.
Prayers and love to his family and friends.
Gone to soon. 🙏🏻❤️
"The amount of shots fired omg..." ---every progressive reaction. I mean holy crap if the violent criminal is shooting at you do you stop shooting after 10 rounds? FFS smh
There were eight officers, all firing virtually simultaneously. That's only 7.5 rounds each on average.
@@stefanlaskowski6660 GOOD. Their lives were in danger and they put that criminal down before he hurt the officers. Sometimes officers suck but in cases like these, the officers were JUSTIFIED.
@@blokcomNativeFaces What about this case makes him a criminal ? Because he was Black ?
Smh why did he pull a firearm ?
Let's make it clear that the Dr said most of the shots were when the boy was already down....
True, but why are you calling him a boy at age 25?
yes thats very relevant
@@someguy7424 ok 25... young man... still u don't shoot 60+ and some after the young man was already down...sick real sick if u ask me.. but I digress.. most will say he had it coming....
@@someguy7424 "But but but". Maybe he's a boy to HER. You don't know how old she is.
@@MsOrganicBlack “boy to her” is not based on fact. Even if she is in the triple digits, he is still BY DEFINITION not a boy. It just seemed like an attempt at making him look more innocent than he actually was. Again, I agree that most of the shots fired were unnecessary, but let’s not twist the facts.
This is again so sad. I can’t imagine the family of this guy but I also can’t imagine being a cop in a life or death situation for all you know and a literal split second to make a decision. People always say what they’d do but you don’t know. You just don’t know.
Thanks for your unbiased analysis of this situation.
Sounds like suicide by cop to me. Overkill on part of the cops of course..
Exactly. That was my first thought. He had already had an encounter that led to a chase; seems he knew what to expect. And the ski mask, and the gun and wedding ring in the car. Mourning his fiancée's death. I think he realized he couldn't do it himself.
So he put police lives at risk.
@@woooooooo9061 it's one of the unlisted services the police provides
@@woooooooo9061 Well duh, that's part of their job.
I'd like to hear the audio from body cams or dispatch to see if anyone mentions seeing a flash or hearing a gunshot as they were persuing him, before they shot him 60 times.
It's been out since Saturday. You can literally see the flashs from his car window. There's like 8 different body cam angles. Call me crazy, you shoot at cops while wearing a ski mask, and reach for your waist you get shot.
Also police use glock 17, that's 10+1 bullets, 8 cops so 88 bullets, police are trained to mag dump. Cops did nothing wrong
Yep, go to donut operator's page! The officer that is initially chasing Walker, hears a gunshot. CCTV captures a bright flash, and investigators found a spent round on the scene of the chase 👍 Rather than asking silly questions, go and seek the answers yourself.
it was released with the rest of the videos lol
Thanks for this Dr Grande. I was apprehensive about watching this knowing some of the hype spread concerning this shooting. I am not a policeman but I have talked with some who’ve told me about their experiences. People who shoot at the police are usually not in a good frame of mind or just plain crazy. The time for the police to make the decision to fire or not is microseconds. The wrong move and your wife is without a husband and your kids without a daddy. That is the most extreme pressure imaginable. Thanks for a fair hearing for all parties.
The same thing in a combat zone a fraction of a second and the rest of your life to think about it I’ve had a lot of criticism about Vietnam by people who were not there
I believe he committed suicide by officer to be with his fiance..I always said I'd rather be shot to death rather than anything else if I were to die by suicide
Finally someone whit a common sense take wish the media would report the same way
1. Failed to stop vehicle
2.speeding
3. Fires a shot (police state via radio “shots fired”)
4. Suspect flees (police know he has a gun but didn’t know it wasn’t on his person)
5.police deploy tasers
6. Suspect turns and makes a movement towards cops
7. (Many suspects get up after being mag dumped)
But yeah he’s “innocent and unarmed”🤣
Go watch donut operator’s breakdown.
Best way not to get shot, spoiler alert!!!
it works if you're black or white, straight or gay. Even lesbian or one of those weirdo drag queens. when the cops go to pull you over, pull the fukk over and if he tells you to put your fing hands on the steering wheel you do it.
The suspect did not have to try to make the police look bad; all too often the police accomplish this on their own. And just as when citizens peacefully protest and a small minority become destructive/violent triggering a pack mentality in the crowd, the police all too often seem to be in chronic pack mentality mode when dealing with the public, even when engaged in non-violent interactions with the public. Police often escalate rather than deescalate situations. Law enforcement personnel should be held to a higher standard of accountability than the average citizen rather than the other way around which, unfortunately, has become the norm in our upside down society. When police release body-cam video to the public (which is a tiny fraction of the amount of video evidence of their interactions with the public) it is to make themselves look good. Search youtube and other social media platforms and you will see approximately 99 out of a hundred videos show police to be the perpetrators.
False. What the body cams did was make it obvious just how bad the public is, and especially the ghetto public.
Yes, the killers with a badge need no help in making themselves look bad. Well said comment 👍 👍
Lol
If only the Uvalde TX cops felt the same “peer pressure to respond to a threat” . . .
thanks for the analysis doc, really appreciate the content you cover.
I feel some parts of this analysis are stretching things to an absurd level of implausibility. It is hard to believe Jayland Walker intentionally baited the police with a non-functioning license plate light. It could be just that he panicked when police flagged him down and made a series of irrational moves. If he did in fact bait the police, he executed his plan brilliantly, with a odds-defying amount of success, having snagged 8 to 13 officers in his trap. I have not seen any reports of this sort of brilliance in his past - and so it is hard to believe he had a master plan to do this.
Exactly.
Absurd is a strong word. Police do group together if they have the manpower. My step nephew is PD. A mag dump happens easily and quickly esp with a threat. I thought his analysis was spot on. Do you feel this was racial? Just wondering.
Clifford, you're right. Why bait the police with something so minor? If he was really looking to die by suicide/police and make the police look bad in the process, he must have thought about doing that AFTER the police started chasing him for the lights violation.
Another thought that I had was why was he wearing a ski mask? Was he getting ready to partake in a robbery?
I totally agree that there is incredible stretching in the good doctors analysis.
Are we sure that he didn't mean he baited the police into firing at him by motioning like to reach for a gun? I don't believe Dr Grande meant to imply that he baited a traffic stop, but rather that once things had began transpiring that at some point he decided he wanted to die via suicide by cop and Dr Grande is actually describing what all suicide by cop cases boil down to: baiting the police into killing you.
Man....your a Sharp Dude Dr. Grande! 💪 thank you for your time in putting out these informative videos for us. I just started watching your videos I'd say about a Month and a half ago or so, and I've already watched at least a dozen of your videos maybe more. Now I specifically look for your analysis 1st on topics before anyone else's on here.
TRAGIC.😢 Great analysis Dr Grande.
I think Jayland could have been feeling suicidal with no regard for anyone or anything else. He was driving around with what appeared to be a wedding band as well as a loaded handgun. He was probably severely depressed and despondent. He evaded police once and attempted to do it a second time. I don’t believe he wanted to kill the police because he exited his vehicle without his weapon. When he fired his weapon from his moving vehicle he may have even shot straight out the window rather than backward toward the police behind him, to show police he was armed and dangerous. His gestures of pulling a gun out of his waistband were to provoke suicide by cop, just like you said. It does make sense based on his actions. I doubt he did this hoping to start riots against the police. I believe he had one thought in mind and that was to relieve his anguish and pain at the loss of his soon-to-be bride. Maybe he just wanted to die, perhaps to be with his fiancé. He may have been driving around contemplating just that for days, but was unable to follow through by his own hand. The police shooting him so many times even after he fell was overkill. In any event, it is tragic and sad.
As soon as I heard he’d lost his fiancé and had a ring in his car, I thought ‘suicide by cop.’ So tragic. Police in the US all need better training.
Yeah thanks for the explanation that Dr Grande already did! 😂
That's a logical analysis.
@@taunteratwill1787 Actually, the OP was disagreeing with Dr. Grande, as do I.
@@Andreamom001 Grande is right and succesful, guess what you are. 😎
Thank you Dr. Grande for your deep insight into all player's psyches and motivations.
Thank you so much Dr. Grande. 💞
I appreciate your analysis of this case. Both good and bad. Thank you.
Why did he run ? Just stop and cooperate. We have seen what happens when you just start running from them it looks really bad in that context .
Thank you so much for your common sense. I always learn something from you.
*Clear, cut, dry... this is a case of ‘Suicide by Cop’.*
You are so logical we all need more of people like you in the world.