He saw the girls as mini me's of his wife , I think he stopped seeing them as his kids and saw them as the enemy as they stuck by their mom , either he , or the girls decided they didn't want a relationship with each other , whereas his Son obviously still wanted contact , hence why he kept him alive , although the poor lad still has to live with what happened.
Well, I'm sure Sean was initially traumatized when his mother cheated on his father, then the constant arguments the kids had to endure, and finally the divorce, all before this murder. How selfish can parents be???
I hope her son Sean is doing ok. One minute, he was doing something fun/silly and the next he loses EVERYTHING at age 10. Sean, I really, really hope you conquered this dark time in your life.
Yep I know a dude this same thing happend to except he didn't kill any one. Let a 2nd woman come in to him and his wifes marriage the wife sees there are other options out there and kicks him out the house. Now his house has rainbow flags all hanging on the front porch and 2 bowl cut Ladys and 5 dogs living there one is my ant and she dosnt feel sorry for splitting up a marriage at all. I still thank it was shady and wrong but the out come is every one is more happy. Except the guy his life sucks but who cares about him I guess his fault for being born.
@@robertstone9988 It's more sad for him to continue being with a woman/wife who does not want him anyway you know. That's just pure misery for everyone
@@RosieyMarie I don't know I still think home-wrecking is a pretty bad thing to do even if it results into 2 of the people being happier. My aunt is a very narcissistic and selfish person she did not care that she was destroying a marriage whether or not that marriage was doomed to begin with or not she knew exactly what she was doing when she tore it apart for her own selfish reasons I still don't think you get to murder people who do that to you. And to be honest I haven't talked to that guy in years. After my aunt stole his life we didn't see him very much after that go figure. Luckily there were no kids involved just wasted time and I guess he lost his house
Excellent video, Doctor Grande - This case has complex motives and layers of weirdness, but I think your analysis unravels the story clearly and completely. Very well done, and much appreciated ☺👍
The thrill. One of the reasons that is. Apparently anyone can fall into it unintentionally. Imagine someone who you are cool and cordial with confesses a attraction to you and makes a move? I call that a light “fight or flight”
Yeah but he probably didn’t take the affair too seriously because it was lesbian. Porn and popular culture often portrays lesbian affairs as something all women do but without the commitment they have to their man.
@@khyatiroy516 He was the director of water and light in our town. That's a pretty big job, and it was a big deal when he was hired.. But he only lasted about a year before he started acting bizarrely, talking incessantly about his marital problems. His staff was aware of his wife's lesbian relationship, which was a little odd for someone at that high level.
@@easy_eight2810 If he just "snapped", he wouldn't have let his son live. He knew what he was doing. He hated women, even an innocent old woman and his own kids.
Daughters - not children - daughters. There is a long history of killing women and daughters as they are the principal scapegoat in male psychosis. This episode is just that. Another chapter in a millennium’s old book of casting women as conspirators, temptresses and witches. 😢
@@altaisrs2857 he didn't "hate women", you can't always just simplify things like that if you really want to understand anything. He targeted women here of course, but for a reason. The wife is obvious, the daughters at that moment at least he saw as "little Karens" essentially projecting his wife on to them. He likely saw Karens mother in a similar way, a conspirator facilitating the destruction of his family. It has nothing to do with hate towards women in general. If his son had been a mommas boy, hadn't asked to stay with the dad longer, or had openly shown disdain for the dad then he would have been killed right along with the women that day.
yes, i love it when you really do a comprehensive deep dive on the entirety of the personality factors at play and can really show how they impacted him in the past, at the time of the crime, presently, and even in the future. excellent breakdown of this one dr g
I left my laptop at work and accidentally dropped and broke my phone today so I literally drove a half hour to use my parent's device to watch this episode 😂 cannot miss my favorite youtubers show..not even for one day. ❤️
I really enjoy watching your videos Dr. Grande. I use them as background noise a lot. In fact I use it so much that the titles of these videos don't even suprise me anymore lol.
Interesting how, in the sequence of photos, he starts out looking oddly eccentric then looks absolutely deranged and demonic in the mugshot and trial pictures. A simply horrific story.
He had his life and his soul destroyed. He had nothing left to live for except revenge. If she had simply filed for a normal divorce instead of asking for an open relationship none of this would have happened.
Regardless of what the wife did this is more about him than her. Many people lose their partners, get cheated on, feel betrayed etc. 45% of marriages end in divorce. They don’t murder their own families as a result.
@@errinemcgrew7649I see no victim blaming, at all. It's just a basic fact that how you treat people has consequences. Antagonizing a narcissist had it's own. She didnt make him do anything, but what she did do in public, at a party, had an impact. You can't ignore the whole of contributing factors just because he's warped. Plenty of people have married psychopaths and lived. Their problems are no excuse not to be reasonably careful with their feelings
You do that when your a ticking time bomb... the wife already stated she was afraid for her safety that's why she met him at a different spot to pick her son up .. then you have the girlfriend sending him texts antagonizing him, and the flirting at the party with her,,😬 that's just asking for some real trouble,, to me
@@amandafeysoon it will be even higher. I think the whole concept of maraige is going to be modified to set amount of years eventually and will operate like a binding contract for two people to remain faithful for maybe 5 or 10 years and the first person that can prove the others infidelity is awarded 100% of the combined assets and custody of the children or something like that. The only way to ensure 90% of marriages don't fail like its headed now is to have an devastating result for the first person that can be proven to have violated the contract (which is going to get more and more easy to prove as our technology evolves into us having no privacy ever). I think in 40 years this comment is gonna age quite well 😂
The only answer when your wife wants to experiment romantically with a woman is to tell her you would like to experiment with divorce and stop talking to her.
@@joas3324 😂😂😂Do you think I am stupid? Women have a way of initiating things and making you THINK it was your idea. She’s the one who is a lesbian and leaving her husband for a woman. How was that his idea?
Your providing a well needed release for people that can't stand injustice but refuse to take our anger full throttle. Well thought out point of view Sir.
I have heard this case told a number of times and it’s said Craig was controlling and abusive during the marriage so Karen probably would have wanted to leave regardless of her relationship with Sunny. It’s very sad that his life fell apart and he felt murder was the answer. I struggle to understand people murdering their children. I hope the victims are resting peacefully and that Sean is doing okay.
fuck you. hold on - first of all i am not enjoying the quips and word play. not for this one. this is incredibly serious. secondly, the issue here is not that he was "rejected romantically," but that his entire family was ripped away from him by his wife's mid-life crisis, post menopausal love affair with another woman. a woman she had met during his absence FOR WORK, FOR HIS FAMILY. this is not a romantic rejection. and as a psychotherapist, todd should know better, this is an entire meltdown of the only thing that a man ever cares about - his wife and his children - his family. his world was destroyed. so enough with the quips. and please show this man and that relationship the gravity deserved. he was destroyed. by her. not a justification. but certainly a fundamental truth.
I haven’t heard about this case! I know a couple of people who have experienced a similar situation and it’s tough, but what makes it really tough is when you have a fragile ego and your wife cheats with another woman. Love you Dr. G!
It’s easy to get a fragile ego if you are already holding a lot it. Cheating with a man is one thing, but a woman? Yeah that’s humiliating and the fact she did that in public with her lover, sparked more fire.
It is the worst idea possible to have your current lover meet your EX after a few years practically sending a message that you are better than you were before and especially when your EX is a very narcissistic person that is most likely capable of vengeance. I am so sad for the two beautiful and young girls that had all their life ahead of them.
Fellas, don’t get married period. There’s nothing in it for us. You don’t need a ring to have a great life with someone. It only makes it harder to break free when betrayed.
@amyschmidt1113 People change their minds sure. But a commitment is a commitment. Divorces should only happen when someone has cheated, NOT because "there's not a spark anymore"
But you can't judge a book by its cover. There are plenty of so-called 'scary villain' looking people who have hearts of gold, and kindly gentle looking people who are totally evil.
P.s. I feel sorry for the people who are actually good & kindly but who had the bad luck to be born with a face that has a stereotypical 'villain' appearance (low set brows, deep set eyes and large angular pointy nose). Hollywood has a LOT to answer for in perpetuating those stereotypes!
Some people's sanity really is just being held together by a thread. This makes me think of the snow shovel murders. Someone is pushed over the edge and does something unspeakably cruel. A good lesson from these cases is just don't antagonize people. Don't involve yourself in their business, and respect their happiness. You never know how someone will react.
I think having an affair tipped him over the edge , flirting in front of everyone with her lesbian lover is almost like poking a bear , if she knows what he is like then why humiliate him , if she was so unhappy why not ask for a divorce , why have your cake and eat it , seems she wasn't as nice as people think just because she was killed , did she deserve to be killed , of course not , but her actions put her and her kids in danger and the worse thing possible ultimately happened. Had she divorced him and then found love with someone else , he might still have done it , but at least it wasn't through her playing with fire.
Never assume that the person you've just met is joking. These are some of the words that I live by. People you meet may think that you're humourless at first, but in the long run it helps a lot.
she was probably the dominant one in the relationship while they were together (I mean she obviously didn't fear him if she humiliated him like that in front of ppl) so he probably was depressed and had low self esteem (and some mental disorder) and the divorce + humiliation was the ultimate emasculation so he felt doing this massacre was the only way to regain his self respect , hence why he only killed the females.
@@ekl2947 I don't think the OP is blaming the victims. I think he's just making the point that some people seem very reasonable and normal, and you just don't know how close they are to the edge until it's too late.
Dr Grande, I was wondering if you could look into the missing persons case of Raymond Green? He was a 5 day old baby that was kidnapped from a woman visiting his mother pretending to be a nurse from the hospital. I would love to hear your analysis on this case. You have such a big platform and could really help bring attention to this case. Thank you always for your incredibly interesting and knowledgeable videos.
Hi Dr Grande, I really enjoy your channel & analysis. I find it truly fascinating & love your style of presentation. Sometimes I see the little "hearts" you put on a few comments, so you clearly read (some?) of them?? them. There have been another few recent requests for case suggestions (ie Kaylea Titford) but you've not answered or put a ❤ (to acknowledge the request). I appreciate you can't read/reply to all your messages, as you get *SO* many! which is, of course, fantastic. So, how do you choose your cases? Are they from these comment sections? What is the best way for us to put forward a suggestion? Warmly - FeeBee
People cheat (unfortunately) and split up all the time. It takes a real narcissist to use your spouse’s infidelity as an excuse to off your own daughters. Rot in hell, dude.
True. The human species is doomed and nobody will miss us. I, for one, will be welcoming our new AI overlords with open arms, the sooner the better. We have been given intelligence but can't overcome the primordial instinct of the self serving ego. Perhaps, our greatest achievement will be passing and relinquishing intelligence to a higher form of existence in AI, one that is not so regulated by negative emotions and pettiness. The most dangerous combination in all creatures is a mix of intelligence and emotions, it can produce such great beauty and love, but also capable of heinous atrocities and suffering.
@metsrus I agree that we are doomed as a species & I embrace the end of humanity so that the earth can hopefully heal with our mass departure. We are a pest to the earth & we are our own pesticide. Humans will always be foolish, & I strongly believe we will snuff ourselves out if nature doesn’t do it first with climate change. I say good riddance. I do hope that AI doesn’t advance enough to exist on its own before that as I want the natural world to simply to return to itself as close as possible before our entrance onto the planet at least insofar as humankind in the more modern sense- not to say Modernism & since (as in with industrialization & such but the Anthropocene in general, which began the moment we started crossing continents & colonizing others). It’s the least we can do to exit the planet before we do it (even more) irreparable damage. We’ll be snuffed out someday at least & that will be a happy day. I feel no shame saying this as mankind will have done it to itself. It’s the foolishness & selfishness of people that is at fault, as well as people’s utter inability to either see these traits or to honestly recognize them as truth.- Again that’s the selfishness. So here’s to the apocalypse!
I watched 2 other videos on this case and i must say some details were left out here. First of all allegedly Karen was being mentally, physically and financially abused most of her married life (Dr Grande mentioned an allowance and sex at certain hours of the day, there were also certain things like serving him food and a 9pm curfew fpr Karen). She also got a job as a coach when she couldnt tolerate the financial abuse (a guy makes 6 figures and yet asks for receipts for any purchase..?). Also allegedly Sunny and her met at the gym and were romantically involved long before the “sexual experiment idea”. They were a couple but Karen was afraid to leave her husband and for all the right reasons too. It’s a classic story of an abuser losing his s**t when his “property” decides to walk out on him. Narcissistic and sociopathic traits are evident. He regrets nothing. 4 lives were lost.. And a little boy who’s all alone in the world now. What a shame.
Agree! Thank you for the details about their marriage. It appears the husband was very controlling and abusive. This man also appeared fragile and desperate, probably holding it together by skin of his teeth for his whole life. Still, there is no excuse for his abuse. Leaving him would be hard, but leaving him for another partner is lighting the fuse. Neither parent was thinking about the children. That Sunny lady, with her selfish and manipulative ways, is also responsible for the consequences in this heartbreaking case.
Why are people surprised when an abusive husband snaps when his wife flaunts her affair? When does that ever end well? This was always the inevitable conclusion, it happens time and time again.
@@aratneerg3699 You’re right. And it’s heartbreaking that a young boy is now left without his family and he’s the one who has to deal with the awful consequences.
I really appreciate how you describe the events of the crimes in your videos without sensationalizing the details or including audio or video clips that other RUclips commentators do. I am interested in learning about these crimes and looking at the motives and psychology behind them, but I am not interested in consuming such content for entertainment value. I have realized how much my true crime consumption has led me to the false belief that crime is extremely common and something to be hyper-vigilant of. Watching your videos lets me have my healthy dose of current crime news without making me terrified to sleep at night 😅
Recently gave his channel a shot after months of ignoring because i never thought it would be this straight forward and informative. I love his approach. He should honestly make all his episodes into a podcast. Very well narrated with subtle humour.
That poor little boy was doing something wholesome with his mom then had to watch her get murdered (along with the rest if his family). I have a son that age who collects coins so that moment in the story made me feel sick. Hes going to be traumatized for life because of that evil man. I can't believe he even shot his own daughters, he must hate women.
@@GGiblet No he wiped out all the women because they did exactly what all of you broads are illustrating here. Huddling together. Neutrality be damned.
Nothing makes what Craig did ok. Nothing. However Sunny had absolutely no place getting herself involved with a married woman. Do not cheapen your value and standards by getting involved with a married person. And do not disrespect the vows of marriage by straying elsewhere. Respect yourself enough to end one relationship before you move into another one
Ok, that’s good advice, but how about we focus on the murder and not put anything near the same level as that? Infidelity is morally wrong, but if you’re mentioning it in the same sentence with murder, I’m a little concerned about your priorities.
This guy's a comedy genius. 'The affair with Sunny continued to shine!!!' 🤣'To James it was like sunstroke!!!!' 😜🤪😂😂 Totally deadpan. Sir...I salute you.
7:09 Ergh. That creepy smile on his mugshot. How can a parent kill his OWN children! I understand he was upset with his wife (still no excuse to kill), but the children had nothing to do with the mum's affair.
There is a longer video on this case. Where it says that only his son was seeing him. And he felt like his daughters had turned against him. Or something to that degree.
It's so easy to blame others for reasons why a person snaps, but each person in that triangle was responsible for their own actions and reactions to the situations they created. The horrific ending shattered them all
It's very easy to blame someone when they murder innocent people in cold blood for some kind of bloodlust revenge. You seem to be edging towards sympathy for the man and placing some level of accountability on the victims. He was a sick, evil man.
@@ph-vf5hxThis is a classic story. Woman in a controlling relationship steps out and has an affair, then she’s surprised that said controlling spouse goes crazy. Why do people think flaunting an affair in front a volatile husband or partner will end well? The conclusion is always the same. It’s really not that hard to NOT have an affair.
@@aratneerg3699 After the affair had already started. And who does that? Be an adult, leave the marriage and put the children first. An abusive spouse doesn’t stop being abusive because his wife asked permission to sleep with someone else. If anything, that would make him more resentful and jealous, more dangerous. That’s not a great combination for someone who is controlling and volatile. It’s like poking the bear.
I feel so bad for the surviving son, I hope he doesn’t have survivor’s guilt and can really put all the blame on his dad, the real perpetrator… so tragic overall though
I grieve for this family. Such a heartbreaking result. Craig sounds alot like my former husband. Narcissistic and depressed when we separated (no 3rd party tho). I feared just this type of outcome. Our family was spared when he took his own life. Spared but scarred nonetheless. Suicide resonates like the ripples in a pond. Sad crazy world we live in today.
Possibly could he have been a Borderline (BPD) rather than a Narcissist (NPD)? Borderlines are far more prone to suicide. NPD and BPD are much like two peas in a pod, and a leads-more-with-BPD person will often have many traits in common with a leads-with-NPD person. In my experience, a BPD would be more likely to be described as depressed.
Holy cow, please don’t remarry. For the safety of men everywhere, please stay single. Fellas, witness this specimen. Notice how 100% of the blame on her failed marriage is her husbands typical “narcissism.” He was so narcissistic that he took his own life after she destroyed his family and took his kids, likely.
Doc Grande, Your dry sense of humor has made me giggle, in the pass, but this time, I laughed, very hard, and had to turn the speakers up! LOL!!!!!!!!!
I feel sorry for the children, both living and dead, who were cursed with such worthless parents. All that privilege and they still couldn't figure out how to be minimally decent people for their kids. Incredibly selfish people
He shot his ex-wife IN FRONT of the son? I know this was a mess, but, dude! Smiling in court ... she was far from perfect, but she was dealing with someone with some kind of disorder. No one was innocent here, but wow. He's happy about this? I didn't like the look in his eyes. How horribly sad. I hope Sean is doing ok. My comment's all over the place. Was commenting and then things would come to light. lol Thanks, Dr G.
All it takes is just one bad day to make even the best man crumble to bits. Or at least that's what joker said in that one fictional comic decades ago...
Dear dr Grande Can you also look at the surgeon Macchirani and his work at the Karolinska institute in Sweden. Your analysis would be hugely appreciated!
We may need to change your name to Dr. Prolific! Hahaha. Even on holidays, a new vid! Happy 4th of July Dr. Thanks for all your hard work. I really enjoy your videos. Now, regarding this video specifically: Craig is obviously guilty as sin, as we see. Plus, and I know this wouldn't hold up in court (haha), but he just visually "looks" slimy and underhanded. Some people just have that face. 😆 Again, have a great holiday evening Doc.
I find it curious that she asked for permission to have an affair. I guess that's one way to get around the inevitable shock of discovery. Thanks for your content, Dr. Grande. One of the few American content creators working on 4th of July!
So now Domestic Abuse can be the victim's fault as long as they have a same sex partner when they leave their spouse? Dr. Todd, you have skipped over the reports that this was a controlling marriage for years before any affair. The teen age girls also were estranged from their father. Why were they? They were too old to only let the mother make up their mind
Thank you! I felt like Dr. Grande was victim blaming in this analysis as well. I also felt it was weird that he thought it was wrong for Sonny to point out that Craig might be a narcissist to Karen 🤔 I have noticed Dr. Grande being bias in some of his other videos/analysis as well but this time was more blatant. Psychology, and similar fields, are steeped in misogyny, though.
He never said anything like that. He relayed the facts. It's not his fault that simply retelling the story included facts that maybe weren't the most flattering to her. He DID state that the husband was guilty of 1st degree murder and that there's no question of that. I missed the part where he said it was "her fault."
It seems like he has been going MRA-lite lately. It's getting hard to listen to even an occasional video as one will look interesting, only to see he's further compromised professional integrity to pander to an abundant and profitable demographic. At least, one would hope that's all it is, and I had greatly enjoyed his early work specifically balecause of his impartial integrity and using current science-based understanding of behavior. He even had corrected himself when having had errors or outdated misunderstandings pointed out in the past. A shame, as I'd enjoy a professional's discussion around unusual cases again.
Sunny can’t be blamed for the murders, but she should be blamed for being a marriage wrecker. If the murders hadn’t occurred, she would’ve revealed herself to be the exact same king of selfish, disrespectful partner who put her needs & wants first. It would’ve been a repeat of the marriage with a different partner.
In my role as a housing provider, and with extensive experience and knowledge of NPD and BPD traits and behaviors, I have counseled perhaps a dozen or more people through these potentially explosive family court types of situations, both men and women. Nearly always there is a cluster B personality disordered individual (Borderline/BPD or Narcissist/NPD) on the other side of the tug-of-war. I agree with Dr. Grande's hypothesis that Kraig was probably a card-carrying NPD. I'm at a loss to understand how both Karen and Sunny, and probably their attorney(s), didn't realize what they were dealing with in Kraig, and decided to repeatedly poke the bear in a cage (Kraig) with sharp sticks and laugh and point at the captive and angry bear. Again, not justifying Kraig's behavior and choices, but why go out of your way to poke the bear? Restraining orders aren't going to stop an active shooter who has entered your house. Sunny, it seems had no awareness of what Kraig was capable of, and what all this was doing to him, and, along with Karen, continued to play with fire, shoving it in Kraig's face. Not justifying the murderer's behavior AT ALL, just some tunnel-vision choices on Sunny's part to pursue her romantic objectives and enable Karen in a "win at all costs and rub his nose in it" strategy. Also it sounds like Karen contributed to her own problems by encouraging her daughters to "side" with her, potentially parental alienation types of behavior involving her daughters, and no doubt Sunny participated in that as well. I believe Karen would probably be alive today if she had kept their daughters out of it and done everything possible to support them having a healthy, loving, ongoing relationship with their father. Karen put Kraig in a position where he felt he had lost EVERYTHING, after raising the children and providing for them for all those years, only to have his daughters turned against him, or so he would FEEL, by their mother. People should not underestimate the ability of the corrupt family court system to emotionally torment men through taking their property and their children. The family court system seems almost designed to make otherwise nonviolent men "go postal".
@@jdaniels1313 thanks for also showing 'the other side' to this matter; there are no winners when the mediation process is experienced as biased and unfair
Thank you for reviewing this case Dr Grande. I don’t understand the thinking that cheating on your spouse will help a bad marriage. I’m 60 so different generation.😊
We don’t know that. His daughters were probably stupid thots who did nothing but get D’d by black dudes and talk about celebrities. He just hates women at that point, I think that’s why he killed only the girls
Dude made $180,000 dollars a year? He could have had any life he wanted or women he wanted. What a waste to throw your life away on someone who does not even love you. Us men will never learn.
Problem is we go goo goo and give women the relationship they want on there terms. Any card game where the deck is stacked against me and for you is a game I refuse to play. Never sign a contract that only benefits one person to break it
@@MM-hf6omshe gave into his sexual demands, gave him children and went under his controlling thumb for years. And somehow he didn't think that she would find better in an affair.
Men are no longer getting married, more and more are refusing to help women. I think men are learning they are getting screwed over and silently protesting.
The wife should have allowed her son to stay the night at the ranch with his father instead of arbitrarily denying that very simple request, then bringing her lover and their daughters along to the pick up location just to rub it in. She was on a control trip of her own, inflicting vengeance through a thousand small humiliations.
I always wonder, why the children?! Feelings can run pretty high between spouses, but why why why kill your own kids?!
My guess. He killed the kids that he saw traits from his wife in. Seems like that's how deep his hatred ran at the end
Reminds me of John List. He even killed his mom smh
I assumed the kids where on the mom side, and he didn't like that
Not the male kids because in his sick mind women are the problem
He saw the girls as mini me's of his wife , I think he stopped seeing them as his kids and saw them as the enemy as they stuck by their mom , either he , or the girls decided they didn't want a relationship with each other , whereas his Son obviously still wanted contact , hence why he kept him alive , although the poor lad still has to live with what happened.
I can only imagine how traumatized Sean is. Everything about this is just so sad.
Well, I'm sure Sean was initially traumatized when his mother cheated on his father, then the constant arguments the kids had to endure, and finally the divorce, all before this murder. How selfish can parents be???
I hope her son Sean is doing ok. One minute, he was doing something fun/silly and the next he loses EVERYTHING at age 10. Sean, I really, really hope you conquered this dark time in your life.
@KarenUnleashed ok but I need to know he was able to move forward (mostly) with his life.
@@kindacrazyAna14i doubt it. Jesus. Trauma lasts awhile.
hey sean, a good way of coping is thru the use of hard drugs- particularly crack cocaine and heroin
Kraig was OCD and yeesh- narcissist and MISER; how did he ever MARRY???!!
Do you mean his son? His mother was abusing him and using him to hurt his father. Are you dumb?
Introducing a third-party into a relationship never ends well. It’s especially sad when kids are involved.
Yep I know a dude this same thing happend to except he didn't kill any one. Let a 2nd woman come in to him and his wifes marriage the wife sees there are other options out there and kicks him out the house. Now his house has rainbow flags all hanging on the front porch and 2 bowl cut Ladys and 5 dogs living there one is my ant and she dosnt feel sorry for splitting up a marriage at all. I still thank it was shady and wrong but the out come is every one is more happy. Except the guy his life sucks but who cares about him I guess his fault for being born.
@@robertstone9988 Or he could just grow some balls and find a new btch instead of being one
@@robertstone9988 It's more sad for him to continue being with a woman/wife who does not want him anyway you know. That's just pure misery for everyone
@@RosieyMarie I don't know I still think home-wrecking is a pretty bad thing to do even if it results into 2 of the people being happier. My aunt is a very narcissistic and selfish person she did not care that she was destroying a marriage whether or not that marriage was doomed to begin with or not she knew exactly what she was doing when she tore it apart for her own selfish reasons I still don't think you get to murder people who do that to you. And to be honest I haven't talked to that guy in years. After my aunt stole his life we didn't see him very much after that go figure. Luckily there were no kids involved just wasted time and I guess he lost his house
End? Why would he have wanted it to end!?
Excellent video, Doctor Grande - This case has complex motives and layers of weirdness, but I think your analysis unravels the story clearly and completely. Very well done, and much appreciated ☺👍
Look at his grin, no remorse, guilt or regret. Damn....
If you're gonna do something do it with conviction I guess.
I think the emotional impact of how his marriage ended broke his mind.
@@rabd3721His behavior and toxic masculinity impacted his marriage
@@talkingtochapriHer betrayal caused it.
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Interesting he left his son completely alone and just killed all the women.
Misogyny
His son was the one who wanted to spend time with him on the ranch. He probably felt like his son was loyal to him in a way the others weren't.
femicide
@@rossshand4385 I think every boy wants his father’s approval. It’s like an unspoken rite of passage.
@@rossshand4385 but after this he definitely hate his father. Such a shame
Cheating is literally deadly, I’ll never understand why people do it and put themselves at risk
The thrill. One of the reasons that is. Apparently anyone can fall into it unintentionally. Imagine someone who you are cool and cordial with confesses a attraction to you and makes a move? I call that a light “fight or flight”
It's normal. People are not naturally monogamous.
In his mugshot photos he not only looks smug, he also looks deranged.
Says it all imo
More like a smugshot photo
He look like Abraham Lincoln
Nah the guy looked happy and self satisfied
@@Kaiji700Myup, absolutely
he is stupid. he should have broke off the relationship when she wanted the affair.
I would have. Someone wanting an affair is basically saying "You're not good enough for me."
not so easy Rosy.. there are children involved, and he needed her at least sexually, and supported the family financially
Yeah but he probably didn’t take the affair too seriously because it was lesbian. Porn and popular culture often portrays lesbian affairs as something all women do but without the commitment they have to their man.
@@wilhelmhagberg8854does that not make them gay?
@spinetingler-op6stno, probably not. He is just sociopathic.
I lived in Columbia, Missouri. It was a huge shock for us, although this guy was several bubbles off center even before this happened.
How though? Just curious as to what signs he gave off ...
@@khyatiroy516 He was the director of water and light in our town. That's a pretty big job, and it was a big deal when he was hired.. But he only lasted about a year before he started acting bizarrely, talking incessantly about his marital problems. His staff was aware of his wife's lesbian relationship, which was a little odd for someone at that high level.
@@marych3425so he _wasn't_ observed to be off before this happened
Sounds like this affair drove him crazy.
@@trfaisonthat’s just who he is. Affair didn’t drive him crazy. He is just sociopathic.
The fact that he also killed his own children, shows that there were much more problems going on than we knew.
That is what can possibly happen when someone really "snaps"
@@easy_eight2810 If he just "snapped", he wouldn't have let his son live. He knew what he was doing. He hated women, even an innocent old woman and his own kids.
He was the problem….. unhinged.
Daughters - not children - daughters. There is a long history of killing women and daughters as they are the principal scapegoat in male psychosis. This episode is just that. Another chapter in a millennium’s old book of casting women as conspirators, temptresses and witches. 😢
@@altaisrs2857 he didn't "hate women", you can't always just simplify things like that if you really want to understand anything. He targeted women here of course, but for a reason. The wife is obvious, the daughters at that moment at least he saw as "little Karens" essentially projecting his wife on to them. He likely saw Karens mother in a similar way, a conspirator facilitating the destruction of his family. It has nothing to do with hate towards women in general. If his son had been a mommas boy, hadn't asked to stay with the dad longer, or had openly shown disdain for the dad then he would have been killed right along with the women that day.
yes, i love it when you really do a comprehensive deep dive on the entirety of the personality factors at play and can really show how they impacted him in the past, at the time of the crime, presently, and even in the future. excellent breakdown of this one dr g
You're super cute btw
I left my laptop at work and accidentally dropped and broke my phone today so I literally drove a half hour to use my parent's device to watch this episode 😂 cannot miss my favorite youtubers show..not even for one day. ❤️
@user-jo3pd6nk3t Now that ‘s called dedication [or sickness lol]
The 2nd one
Are you serious? Why do we get so obsessed with things like this. As if we make people Gods! I’m starting to worry about our society.
@@HopefulInterventionsbecause people love their escapism. duh.
I thought you were going to say that you went home and murdered your own family over the dropped laptop….. 😂
glad it was to watch this episode instead
I really enjoy watching your videos Dr. Grande. I use them as background noise a lot. In fact I use it so much that the titles of these videos don't even suprise me anymore lol.
So much needless pain. I hope the surviving family is getting adequate help.
What family?
@@sdsurfgirl60 Two surviving siblings and anyone else harmed.
@@bernecomponly the boy survived
it’s so weird, Doc, i was randomly singing *_Walkin’ On Sunshine_* a couple of hours ago!!! Had not sang that out loud since the eighties.
Interesting how, in the sequence of photos, he starts out looking oddly eccentric then looks absolutely deranged and demonic in the mugshot and trial pictures. A simply horrific story.
The deterioration of his mental state in real time
He had his life and his soul destroyed.
He had nothing left to live for except revenge.
If she had simply filed for a normal divorce instead of asking for an open relationship none of this would have happened.
When Grande said she found work as a personal trainer, I knew this could only end in family annihilation.
Lol yes…. There does seem to be a high divorce rate among the people that identify as personal trainers ?
Ahaha right !
That’s always the way it goes 😭
Dance instructor also high on list of careers rife with trouble.
😂😂😂
Regardless of what the wife did this is more about him than her. Many people lose their partners, get cheated on, feel betrayed etc. 45% of marriages end in divorce. They don’t murder their own families as a result.
That number is much, much higher, actually. More like 75-80%.
Yes…this video/analysis has a very odd undertone where it seemed like Dr. Grande was victim blaming
@@errinemcgrew7649I see no victim blaming, at all. It's just a basic fact that how you treat people has consequences. Antagonizing a narcissist had it's own. She didnt make him do anything, but what she did do in public, at a party, had an impact.
You can't ignore the whole of contributing factors just because he's warped. Plenty of people have married psychopaths and lived. Their problems are no excuse not to be reasonably careful with their feelings
You do that when your a ticking time bomb... the wife already stated she was afraid for her safety that's why she met him at a different spot to pick her son up .. then you have the girlfriend sending him texts antagonizing him, and the flirting at the party with her,,😬 that's just asking for some real trouble,, to me
@@amandafeysoon it will be even higher. I think the whole concept of maraige is going to be modified to set amount of years eventually and will operate like a binding contract for two people to remain faithful for maybe 5 or 10 years and the first person that can prove the others infidelity is awarded 100% of the combined assets and custody of the children or something like that. The only way to ensure 90% of marriages don't fail like its headed now is to have an devastating result for the first person that can be proven to have violated the contract (which is going to get more and more easy to prove as our technology evolves into us having no privacy ever). I think in 40 years this comment is gonna age quite well 😂
Absolutely horrific story. Great analysis, as usual!
The only answer when your wife wants to experiment romantically with a woman is to tell her you would like to experiment with divorce and stop talking to her.
He initiated it not her...
@@joas3324 😂😂😂Do you think I am stupid? Women have a way of initiating things and making you THINK it was your idea. She’s the one who is a lesbian and leaving her husband for a woman. How was that his idea?
@@trevorthetherapist4200 Idi*t i know this case,this is an old case,he initiated it.Dr.Grande didnt do his research
@@trevorthetherapist4200 who asked
@@joas3324 I think that’s not true. She came to him with a request to fool around with a woman from her workplace.
Ain’t no sunshine when she’s gone. Brilliant analysis Dr. Grande!
It's not warm when she's away.
I know!
@@drivenmad7676 👍🏻
And she's always gone too long
@@matt.stevick 👍🏻
Dr Grande. Ur the best, bringing light into the dark corners of human behaviour. From the UK may the sun shine for you and your family
Your providing a well needed release for people that can't stand injustice but refuse to take our anger full throttle. Well thought out point of view Sir.
I have heard this case told a number of times and it’s said Craig was controlling and abusive during the marriage so Karen probably would have wanted to leave regardless of her relationship with Sunny. It’s very sad that his life fell apart and he felt murder was the answer. I struggle to understand people murdering their children. I hope the victims are resting peacefully and that Sean is doing okay.
Ultimate control freak act
Jealously is more powerful then anything you can imagine if you let it....
fuck you. hold on - first of all i am not enjoying the quips and word play. not for this one. this is incredibly serious. secondly, the issue here is not that he was "rejected romantically," but that his entire family was ripped away from him by his wife's mid-life crisis, post menopausal love affair with another woman. a woman she had met during his absence FOR WORK, FOR HIS FAMILY. this is not a romantic rejection. and as a psychotherapist, todd should know better, this is an entire meltdown of the only thing that a man ever cares about - his wife and his children - his family. his world was destroyed. so enough with the quips. and please show this man and that relationship the gravity deserved. he was destroyed. by her. not a justification. but certainly a fundamental truth.
“He was sooo controlling! He got upset when I licked another woman’s pussy. OMG!”
she should not have cheated on him and especially not in front of guests. She was just as abusive tbh
“Trail mix fueled escape adventure “! 😂😂too much!
I haven’t heard about this case! I know a couple of people who have experienced a similar situation and it’s tough, but what makes it really tough is when you have a fragile ego and your wife cheats with another woman. Love you Dr. G!
It’s easy to get a fragile ego if you are already holding a lot it. Cheating with a man is one thing, but a woman? Yeah that’s humiliating and the fact she did that in public with her lover, sparked more fire.
💕😘 Dr G..... The Big G! Really loving the word play at the end of the episodes!
Appreciate your timely videos as always, and thank you for the insightful analysis!
It is the worst idea possible to have your current lover meet your EX after a few years practically sending a message that you are better than you were before and especially when your EX is a very narcissistic person that is most likely capable of vengeance. I am so sad for the two beautiful and young girls that had all their life ahead of them.
Never marry somebody who doesn't show complete satisfaction and loyalty to you.
And avoid murderers.
@@argonionlaser488 😅 yes that too
Fellas, don’t get married period. There’s nothing in it for us. You don’t need a ring to have a great life with someone. It only makes it harder to break free when betrayed.
@@timothy4011 exactly
@amyschmidt1113 People change their minds sure. But a commitment is a commitment. Divorces should only happen when someone has cheated, NOT because "there's not a spark anymore"
He just looks scary
yup
beau she kill her family that's why lol scary 😂
So true!
But you can't judge a book by its cover. There are plenty of so-called 'scary villain' looking people who have hearts of gold, and kindly gentle looking people who are totally evil.
P.s. I feel sorry for the people who are actually good & kindly but who had the bad luck to be born with a face that has a stereotypical 'villain' appearance (low set brows, deep set eyes and large angular pointy nose). Hollywood has a LOT to answer for in perpetuating those stereotypes!
Thank you for taking my suggestion and creating this video
Some people's sanity really is just being held together by a thread. This makes me think of the snow shovel murders. Someone is pushed over the edge and does something unspeakably cruel. A good lesson from these cases is just don't antagonize people. Don't involve yourself in their business, and respect their happiness. You never know how someone will react.
I think having an affair tipped him over the edge , flirting in front of everyone with her lesbian lover is almost like poking a bear , if she knows what he is like then why humiliate him , if she was so unhappy why not ask for a divorce , why have your cake and eat it , seems she wasn't as nice as people think just because she was killed , did she deserve to be killed , of course not , but her actions put her and her kids in danger and the worse thing possible ultimately happened.
Had she divorced him and then found love with someone else , he might still have done it , but at least it wasn't through her playing with fire.
Never assume that the person you've just met is joking. These are some of the words that I live by. People you meet may think that you're humourless at first, but in the long run it helps a lot.
she was probably the dominant one in the relationship while they were together (I mean she obviously didn't fear him if she humiliated him like that in front of ppl) so he probably was depressed and had low self esteem (and some mental disorder) and the divorce + humiliation was the ultimate emasculation so he felt doing this massacre was the only way to regain his self respect , hence why he only killed the females.
@@ekl2947 I don't think the OP is blaming the victims. I think he's just making the point that some people seem very reasonable and normal, and you just don't know how close they are to the edge until it's too late.
@@ekl2947don't put yourself in other people's business is a sure way not to instigate problems in other people's business
Dr Grande, I was wondering if you could look into the missing persons case of Raymond Green? He was a 5 day old baby that was kidnapped from a woman visiting his mother pretending to be a nurse from the hospital. I would love to hear your analysis on this case. You have such a big platform and could really help bring attention to this case. Thank you always for your incredibly interesting and knowledgeable videos.
Hi Dr Grande, I really enjoy your channel & analysis. I find it truly fascinating & love your style of presentation. Sometimes I see the little "hearts" you put on a few comments, so you clearly read (some?) of them?? them. There have been another few recent requests for case suggestions (ie Kaylea Titford) but you've not answered or put a ❤ (to acknowledge the request).
I appreciate you can't read/reply to all your messages, as you get *SO* many! which is, of course, fantastic.
So, how do you choose your cases? Are they from these comment sections? What is the best way for us to put forward a suggestion?
Warmly - FeeBee
The red shirt really looks great on you. Love your channel.
People cheat (unfortunately) and split up all the time. It takes a real narcissist to use your spouse’s infidelity as an excuse to off your own daughters. Rot in hell, dude.
X a bizzlion
Why? He doesn't need them to carry on his name.
Nope! Dont put yourself on same par as the murderer
She destroyed their marriage and his career.
@sinbadsailor1963 So you're not one of those people that believe in personal responsibility... got it👍
Thanks for the analysis, Doc!
I love all your cactuses Dr. Grande. Thanks for blessing us with a video today. Happy 4th of July. 🎉
Doctor, your wife is doing a great job on 🌵 they are beautiful! Your speculation is spot on as usual. Happy 4th to you both.🎉🎉🎉
Happy 4th of July to all Americans. Could you speculate on the recent trial of Scot Peterson?
Thanks Dr. Grande.
I'm surprised Kraig didn't hunt down and murder Sunny.
Me too. I'm shocked.
Maybe he intended to but got caught first?
Good evening Dr Grande, excellent analysis. As always I learn something new from your videos.
Have a great Wednesday.
Great video and analysis!👍
The Christmas party ,flirting or well…. going to the same party if you’re doing this ,was their undoing.
Tragic. The fragility of the human psyche.
True. The human species is doomed and nobody will miss us. I, for one, will be welcoming our new AI overlords with open arms, the sooner the better. We have been given intelligence but can't overcome the primordial instinct of the self serving ego. Perhaps, our greatest achievement will be passing and relinquishing intelligence to a higher form of existence in AI, one that is not so regulated by negative emotions and pettiness. The most dangerous combination in all creatures is a mix of intelligence and emotions, it can produce such great beauty and love, but also capable of heinous atrocities and suffering.
More like the fragility of this man’s ego.
The fragility of men and their ego
@metsrus
I agree that we are doomed as a species & I embrace the end of humanity so that the earth can hopefully heal with our mass departure. We are a pest to the earth & we are our own pesticide. Humans will always be foolish, & I strongly believe we will snuff ourselves out if nature doesn’t do it first with climate change. I say good riddance. I do hope that AI doesn’t advance enough to exist on its own before that as I want the natural world to simply to return to itself as close as possible before our entrance onto the planet at least insofar as humankind in the more modern sense- not to say Modernism & since (as in with industrialization & such but the Anthropocene in general, which began the moment we started crossing continents & colonizing others). It’s the least we can do to exit the planet before we do it (even more) irreparable damage. We’ll be snuffed out someday at least & that will be a happy day. I feel no shame saying this as mankind will have done it to itself. It’s the foolishness & selfishness of people that is at fault, as well as people’s utter inability to either see these traits or to honestly recognize them as truth.- Again that’s the selfishness. So here’s to the apocalypse!
@@metsrusHumans will merge with ai. I’m going with the panspermia theory. We can’t even survive on this planet without simple technology like fire💀
I watched 2 other videos on this case and i must say some details were left out here. First of all allegedly Karen was being mentally, physically and financially abused most of her married life (Dr Grande mentioned an allowance and sex at certain hours of the day, there were also certain things like serving him food and a 9pm curfew fpr Karen). She also got a job as a coach when she couldnt tolerate the financial abuse (a guy makes 6 figures and yet asks for receipts for any purchase..?).
Also allegedly Sunny and her met at the gym and were romantically involved long before the “sexual experiment idea”. They were a couple but Karen was afraid to leave her husband and for all the right reasons too.
It’s a classic story of an abuser losing his s**t when his “property” decides to walk out on him.
Narcissistic and sociopathic traits are evident. He regrets nothing. 4 lives were lost.. And a little boy who’s all alone in the world now. What a shame.
Agree! Thank you for the details about their marriage. It appears the husband was very controlling and abusive. This man also appeared fragile and desperate, probably holding it together by skin of his teeth for his whole life. Still, there is no excuse for his abuse. Leaving him would be hard, but leaving him for another partner is lighting the fuse. Neither parent was thinking about the children. That Sunny lady, with her selfish and manipulative ways, is also responsible for the consequences in this heartbreaking case.
Never underestimate.. the predictability...of Cheating...
Why are people surprised when an abusive husband snaps when his wife flaunts her affair? When does that ever end well? This was always the inevitable conclusion, it happens time and time again.
@@thepolitewierdoits not a suprise at all. Its very sad.
@@aratneerg3699 You’re right. And it’s heartbreaking that a young boy is now left without his family and he’s the one who has to deal with the awful consequences.
I really appreciate how you describe the events of the crimes in your videos without sensationalizing the details or including audio or video clips that other RUclips commentators do. I am interested in learning about these crimes and looking at the motives and psychology behind them, but I am not interested in consuming such content for entertainment value. I have realized how much my true crime consumption has led me to the false belief that crime is extremely common and something to be hyper-vigilant of. Watching your videos lets me have my healthy dose of current crime news without making me terrified to sleep at night 😅
Always interesting.
Very sad.
Clever use of words.
Thank you
Peace 💕🇺🇲
Dr Grande has been the best at what he does. Bless him.
He really is, the most objective and unbiased analyses
Recently gave his channel a shot after months of ignoring because i never thought it would be this straight forward and informative. I love his approach. He should honestly make all his episodes into a podcast. Very well narrated with subtle humour.
That poor little boy was doing something wholesome with his mom then had to watch her get murdered (along with the rest if his family). I have a son that age who collects coins so that moment in the story made me feel sick. Hes going to be traumatized for life because of that evil man. I can't believe he even shot his own daughters, he must hate women.
Agreed. He hates women more than he loves his son. I hope that poor boy gets a lot of love from family and friends - he needs it.
That was my take on it too, he was wiping out all the women because of his rage and frustration.
@@GGiblet No he wiped out all the women because they did exactly what all of you broads are illustrating here. Huddling together. Neutrality be damned.
@@theViomax How do you know what his daughters were thinking? Are you blaming them for their father murdering them?
@@theViomax I'm not sure what's going on with you but I hope you feel better soon 🌻
Nothing makes what Craig did ok. Nothing. However Sunny had absolutely no place getting herself involved with a married woman. Do not cheapen your value and standards by getting involved with a married person. And do not disrespect the vows of marriage by straying elsewhere. Respect yourself enough to end one relationship before you move into another one
I hear you. But infidelity happens every day and people manage not to murder their wandering spouse.
Ok, that’s good advice, but how about we focus on the murder and not put anything near the same level as that? Infidelity is morally wrong, but if you’re mentioning it in the same sentence with murder, I’m a little concerned about your priorities.
@@TSUNAMI-MAMI true, thank god.
True but it sounds like you’re blaming mostly sunny. That was a long rant. Craig decided to make the choice to kill. He could have walked away.
@@TSUNAMI-MAMIagreed but still not worth the risk.
As always, very good analysis... Thanks a lot
Great video Dr. G. ❤
This guy's a comedy genius. 'The affair with Sunny continued to shine!!!' 🤣'To James it was like sunstroke!!!!' 😜🤪😂😂 Totally deadpan. Sir...I salute you.
Sunny was an instigator, making the situation worse. Sometimes people deserve each other.
Even when you're talking about awful things, your voice is so relaxing I like to fall asleep to it lol
Me too 😂
Thank you, Dr grande. Very interesting!
Happy 4th of July, Dr. Grande. 🇺🇸
7:09 Ergh. That creepy smile on his mugshot. How can a parent kill his OWN children! I understand he was upset with his wife (still no excuse to kill), but the children had nothing to do with the mum's affair.
There is a longer video on this case. Where it says that only his son was seeing him. And he felt like his daughters had turned against him.
Or something to that degree.
@@tonytandtherevengeofthecru9108
Interesting!….
Calling running from the law “a trail mix-fueled escape adventure” makes it sound a lot more fun.
I doubt this was the first time dad had been violent
It wasn’t.
Objection your honour!!! Speculation
@@jokesonyou1373 not in court just a YT comment section 😉
Way to ruin a joke.
@@hhealy7199 note the wink emoji.
I like this vid. Good insight and great analysis.
Hey man nice shot
It's so easy to blame others for reasons why a person snaps, but each person in that triangle was responsible for their own actions and reactions to the situations they created. The horrific ending shattered them all
It's very easy to blame someone when they murder innocent people in cold blood for some kind of bloodlust revenge. You seem to be edging towards sympathy for the man and placing some level of accountability on the victims. He was a sick, evil man.
@@ph-vf5hxThis is a classic story. Woman in a controlling relationship steps out and has an affair, then she’s surprised that said controlling spouse goes crazy. Why do people think flaunting an affair in front a volatile husband or partner will end well? The conclusion is always the same. It’s really not that hard to NOT have an affair.
He is responsible for the murders. He should've got help when the jealousy began. Jealousy is controling, not loving.
@@thepolitewierdoshe asked his permission.
@@aratneerg3699 After the affair had already started. And who does that? Be an adult, leave the marriage and put the children first. An abusive spouse doesn’t stop being abusive because his wife asked permission to sleep with someone else. If anything, that would make him more resentful and jealous, more dangerous. That’s not a great combination for someone who is controlling and volatile. It’s like poking the bear.
I feel so bad for the surviving son, I hope he doesn’t have survivor’s guilt and can really put all the blame on his dad, the real perpetrator… so tragic overall though
Absolutely understand the guy.
typical male sympathizing with murderers. and yall wonder why women hate you.
Pathetic losers unite!
“Continued to shine…sunstroke.” Your killin’ me Holmes🤣🤣
thanks for the exposiSUN
The deadpan delivery - gets me every time! 😢
There’s no such thing as an open marriage. A marriage is by definition closed.
I grieve for this family. Such a heartbreaking result.
Craig sounds alot like my former husband. Narcissistic and depressed when we separated (no 3rd party tho). I feared just this type of outcome. Our family was spared when he took his own life. Spared but scarred nonetheless. Suicide resonates like the ripples in a pond.
Sad crazy world we live in today.
You sound like a bad person, these men sufferind in silence and you make everything about you (like a narcissist would).
Possibly could he have been a Borderline (BPD) rather than a Narcissist (NPD)? Borderlines are far more prone to suicide. NPD and BPD are much like two peas in a pod, and a leads-more-with-BPD person will often have many traits in common with a leads-with-NPD person. In my experience, a BPD would be more likely to be described as depressed.
Holy cow, please don’t remarry. For the safety of men everywhere, please stay single. Fellas, witness this specimen. Notice how 100% of the blame on her failed marriage is her husbands typical “narcissism.” He was so narcissistic that he took his own life after she destroyed his family and took his kids, likely.
@@theskyizblue2day431 oh, believe me I won't!!! Might run into someone like you.
@@theskyizblue2day431 This is clearly projection, she was most likely the abuser who drove him away.
“He was trying to block out the sun”. Dr Grande. That was very dry 😂😂😂
Doc Grande, Your dry sense of humor has made me giggle, in the pass, but this time, I laughed, very hard, and had to turn the speakers up! LOL!!!!!!!!!
This is why I live alone.
I feel sorry for the children, both living and dead, who were cursed with such worthless parents. All that privilege and they still couldn't figure out how to be minimally decent people for their kids. Incredibly selfish people
true
It happens alot!😢
Yep, plural, parents.
He shot his ex-wife IN FRONT of the son? I know this was a mess, but, dude! Smiling in court ... she was far from perfect, but she was dealing with someone with some kind of disorder. No one was innocent here, but wow. He's happy about this? I didn't like the look in his eyes. How horribly sad. I hope Sean is doing ok. My comment's all over the place. Was commenting and then things would come to light. lol Thanks, Dr G.
His DISORDER is called EVIL.
@@nhmooytis7058 Show me in the DSM5 where that is a diagnosis. 🙂
All it takes is just one bad day to make even the best man crumble to bits. Or at least that's what joker said in that one fictional comic decades ago...
He was probably at peace. Got so messed up being married to her. We was at peace
Thank you Dr. Grande!! What a shame and waste for this family. It is very sad. I like your red shirt!!🌵💕🇺🇸from Jean
Dear dr Grande Can you also look at the surgeon Macchirani and his work at the Karolinska institute in Sweden. Your analysis would be hugely appreciated!
The title of this video is like what the front page of a tabloid would say.
“Stalking on Sunshine!?!?!” 💀
It's a Grateful Dead reference...
We may need to change your name to Dr. Prolific! Hahaha. Even on holidays, a new vid! Happy 4th of July Dr. Thanks for all your hard work. I really enjoy your videos. Now, regarding this video specifically: Craig is obviously guilty as sin, as we see. Plus, and I know this wouldn't hold up in court (haha), but he just visually "looks" slimy and underhanded. Some people just have that face. 😆 Again, have a great holiday evening Doc.
It’s so weird when Columbia, MO is mentioned in these videos and I was in the same town for college as the murderers.
Dr. Grande! That "trail mix" comment .... was hilarious!
I find it curious that she asked for permission to have an affair. I guess that's one way to get around the inevitable shock of discovery. Thanks for your content, Dr. Grande. One of the few American content creators working on 4th of July!
So now Domestic Abuse can be the victim's fault as long as they have a same sex partner when they leave their spouse? Dr. Todd, you have skipped over the reports that this was a controlling marriage for years before any affair. The teen age girls also were estranged from their father. Why were they? They were too old to only let the mother make up their mind
Thank you! I felt like Dr. Grande was victim blaming in this analysis as well. I also felt it was weird that he thought it was wrong for Sonny to point out that Craig might be a narcissist to Karen 🤔
I have noticed Dr. Grande being bias in some of his other videos/analysis as well but this time was more blatant.
Psychology, and similar fields, are steeped in misogyny, though.
He never said anything like that. He relayed the facts. It's not his fault that simply retelling the story included facts that maybe weren't the most flattering to her. He DID state that the husband was guilty of 1st degree murder and that there's no question of that. I missed the part where he said it was "her fault."
@errinemcgrew7649 he didn't say it was wrong, he said that she inserted herself into their marriage which is undoubtedly the case
It seems like he has been going MRA-lite lately. It's getting hard to listen to even an occasional video as one will look interesting, only to see he's further compromised professional integrity to pander to an abundant and profitable demographic. At least, one would hope that's all it is, and I had greatly enjoyed his early work specifically balecause of his impartial integrity and using current science-based understanding of behavior. He even had corrected himself when having had errors or outdated misunderstandings pointed out in the past. A shame, as I'd enjoy a professional's discussion around unusual cases again.
He literally described Craig's controlling behavior in the video. Don't confuse Dr. Grande's even-keeled relaying of all sides with sympathy.
You cannot blame Sunny for the actions of a homicidal maniac who blew his children's heads off. Only he is responsible for his heinous crime.
Sunny, the fly in the ointment, is guilty of interference in a marriage... go figure
@@justnoted2995 but that doesn't justify his actions.
Sunny can’t be blamed for the murders, but she should be blamed for being a marriage wrecker. If the murders hadn’t occurred, she would’ve revealed herself to be the exact same king of selfish, disrespectful partner who put her needs & wants first. It would’ve been a repeat of the marriage with a different partner.
In my role as a housing provider, and with extensive experience and knowledge of NPD and BPD traits and behaviors, I have counseled perhaps a dozen or more people through these potentially explosive family court types of situations, both men and women. Nearly always there is a cluster B personality disordered individual (Borderline/BPD or Narcissist/NPD) on the other side of the tug-of-war. I agree with Dr. Grande's hypothesis that Kraig was probably a card-carrying NPD. I'm at a loss to understand how both Karen and Sunny, and probably their attorney(s), didn't realize what they were dealing with in Kraig, and decided to repeatedly poke the bear in a cage (Kraig) with sharp sticks and laugh and point at the captive and angry bear. Again, not justifying Kraig's behavior and choices, but why go out of your way to poke the bear? Restraining orders aren't going to stop an active shooter who has entered your house.
Sunny, it seems had no awareness of what Kraig was capable of, and what all this was doing to him, and, along with Karen, continued to play with fire, shoving it in Kraig's face. Not justifying the murderer's behavior AT ALL, just some tunnel-vision choices on Sunny's part to pursue her romantic objectives and enable Karen in a "win at all costs and rub his nose in it" strategy. Also it sounds like Karen contributed to her own problems by encouraging her daughters to "side" with her, potentially parental alienation types of behavior involving her daughters, and no doubt Sunny participated in that as well.
I believe Karen would probably be alive today if she had kept their daughters out of it and done everything possible to support them having a healthy, loving, ongoing relationship with their father. Karen put Kraig in a position where he felt he had lost EVERYTHING, after raising the children and providing for them for all those years, only to have his daughters turned against him, or so he would FEEL, by their mother. People should not underestimate the ability of the corrupt family court system to emotionally torment men through taking their property and their children. The family court system seems almost designed to make otherwise nonviolent men "go postal".
@@jdaniels1313 thanks for also showing 'the other side' to this matter; there are no winners when the mediation process is experienced as biased and unfair
I love the attempt of dry humour talkin about morbid topics 😁
Thank you for reviewing this case Dr Grande. I don’t understand the thinking that cheating on your spouse will help a bad marriage. I’m 60 so different generation.😊
These people are garbage. They all end up in the gutter.
Embracing progressive social ‘values’ correlates with societal misery.
I’ve never heard of this case
So many cases on this channel i never heard of. I like it like that.
@@MelvinJ64 right?!
Going hard on a Holiday. Hardest working man on youtube!
He said he has videos he records and releases on patreon which eventually find themselves to RUclips.
Strange how few comments even mention HE KILLED HIS TWO DAUGHTERS who had nothing to do with the triangle. He’s an evil monster period!
Few comments mention it? Huh? Everyone is talking about it and the surviving son.
We don’t know that. His daughters were probably stupid thots who did nothing but get D’d by black dudes and talk about celebrities. He just hates women at that point, I think that’s why he killed only the girls
Yeah, how could any sane person murder two beautiful children? He apparently morphed into a misogynistic psychopathic killer.
that was really good you identified meaningfulness in relationships in this case money couldn't win over love
Excellent video
HEARTBREAKING STORY, I WISH I 💔NEVER WATCHED THE STORY.
CAN PEOPLE NOT END THEIR MARRIAGE.
NO EXCUSE FOR MURDER.
Dude made $180,000 dollars a year? He could have had any life he wanted or women he wanted. What a waste to throw your life away on someone who does not even love you. Us men will never learn.
Problem is we go goo goo and give women the relationship they want on there terms. Any card game where the deck is stacked against me and for you is a game I refuse to play. Never sign a contract that only benefits one person to break it
Has nothing to do with learning, dont trample ppl feelings, sometimes its the loss/pain is too much to bear. Its just a sordid affair
Maybe he wanted the woman he married. Not everyone accepts divorce. He snapped after being emasculated.
@@MM-hf6omshe gave into his sexual demands, gave him children and went under his controlling thumb for years. And somehow he didn't think that she would find better in an affair.
Men are no longer getting married, more and more are refusing to help women.
I think men are learning they are getting screwed over and silently protesting.
Maybe Sunny is an Narcissist
I remember this Case I lived in Houston Texas and never knew what the outcome Was!
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The wife should have allowed her son to stay the night at the ranch with his father instead of arbitrarily denying that very simple request, then bringing her lover and their daughters along to the pick up location just to rub it in. She was on a control trip of her own, inflicting vengeance through a thousand small humiliations.
Who said it did?
Though action @@hhealy7199
Yep, seeing sunny and his wife going away with his son, whom he enjoyed the time with, would have pushed him over the edge
I remember this on one of thises shows on ID.
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