The only side we need to take is DV victims. If it wasn't for justin's obsession with this book, blake(jada 2) wouldn't be in our faces today. He too was trying to potray a distorted version of DV. He deserved blake and vice versa. Him playing the ab*ser is not a coincidence. 🎉
@@Oceangrace90 You are here too? With the same comment? This is about the 15th time I see this exact comment from "you" on different videos about this film. This this "Oceangrace90" account a bot?
The fact that Justin appeared to care more about portraying the sensitive subject matter than THE ORIGINAL AUTHOR OF THE STORY ITSELF is very concerning.
I feel Blake understood the source materiaL and Justin was trying to turn it into something better in his mind People have been complaining about House of the dragon making changes from the source material why is this any different Colleen is in the same league as Twilight and Fifty Shades and thats okay people can simply choose not to watch her films or buy her books Blake understoon how ridiculous certain aspects of the source material where Lily Bloom opens a flower shop Kincaid Atlas these are clearly not names of real people catchy as they may be lol Hearing the characters names personally made me go ahhhhhh! and distracted me from the stuff in the film its a YA 2000s style novel adaptation and you can tell
IKR like colleen is legit trying to false advertise and make ppl go in for shock value or sth. Like as if her freaking book isnt out for YEARSat this point and wasnt sold everywhere.
@@jayswisssubliminals5243 It's different because House of the Dragon is a well written book that takes its subject matter seriously and It Ends with Us is not. Justin wasn't just trying to make it better in his mind, he was trying to make it better and more respectful.
I have a friend who is a courtroom advocate for children. She is constantly distressed by women like Colleen Hoover, bored white ladies with zero attachment to or awareness of the actual situations they are dealing with, actively being a danger to those they purport to help
@@jayswisssubliminals5243 the source material is about domestic violence, and Justin wanted to reflect that and hopefully help women in that situation with the movie. He is committed to that. Blake, otoh, is all about "ah, florals", "ah, cute romcom", "ah, my new hair care line", "ah, my hubby is for some reason super involved in this movie, how cute"
As someone who’s disabled and also a social worker, it’s an unfortunate reality. SO many people go into helping fields just to lord authority and power over more marginalized populations, not because they genuinely want to help and promote change. When mean girls can’t become nurses, some end up as social workers 🫠
What's even worse, is that she stated in an interview once that she puts her characters in extreme situations because she is not a feeler, meaning that she doesn't have a lot of on hand empathy. So, writing her characters in the extremes gets her to feel. Makes so much sense when you read the summaries of most of her famous books. There's putting your character's through it for plot, and then there's whatever the hell that lady be writing about. Very toxic relationships, very traumatic incidents, etc. Like, how are you a writer and you seem to barely scrape the surface of the human condition? You can't write about love and relationships without your characters being in action movie level trauma scenes?! Why are her books always from teenage/young twenty perspectives, too? There's always flashbacks and stuff. Girl, you havent been young in a damn minute! Write about your middle aged white women problems. 😂 I get it though, her audience is mostly 15-young twenty somethings experiencing heartbreak for the first time and needing to feel like their theatrics are relatable. I feel like It Ends With Us, was her most normal book, and perhaps her most important, because it does tell and show you how easy it is to be manipulated in the sake of love, but why are all of her other male live interests also just like Ryle? They don't get an author's note at the end telling you, the reader, that he was inspired by her abusive father and therefore, should not be given sympathy to. Her other male love interests just get to be abusive and walk free.
that’s very clearly not what she was saying. like she literally goes on to say she likes presenting difficult topics in a different light. the quote doesn’t even appear to be about this book…
she said she likes to play devils advocate when she writes, not when it comes to DV. she likes to portray subjects in a different light than what it's typically seen as. i think the idea of a romance story about DV is genius because every case of DV is originally a romance story that ends badly. its enlightening and sad.
It is a circle og violence in most of the cases. You know the abused one become the abuser. People are not always bad and the world is not black and white. Now, ofc that all the abusers should be punished and all the victims should be helped out. But this isn’t that ideal world. I don’t think she wanted to glorify the violence with this statement at all. Also I don’t read her nor like her writings.
That’s exactly why I hated this book so much. It reads like something I would have written in middle school and I describe it that way to people who haven’t read it. I hate her writing so much and do not understand how it’s so popular.
You can really tell that Justin really wanted to make a movie about DV and its effects while Blake and likely Collen wanted to make it a Rom-Com. I hate it. I wish Justin could have told the story his way.
Do we have Blake on record actually saying she wanted a romcom? Cause so far it’s all just been speculation as far as I know. Some of it frankly seeming unfairly biased against Blake & I don’t understand why besides being in the limelight lately because of this film. Her interviews about the film have been called inappropriate because she simply answered questions about her hair. 🤷🏼♀️ Is she supposed to just ignore the questions? And I’d caution against assuming Justin’s intent are as pure as he markets himself to be. He could mean everything he says, & he could just be trying to market himself & the film. His original comments about the book when he bought the rights for it apparently weren’t consistent with what he says now (apparently he called the book “sexy”).
@@TheEverGrowingRosey-333 She’s literally promoted her hair care, without prompting, more than she’s addressed the serious issues. She’s focused more on her wardrobe, and has ignored the issues of abuse. She’s made this movie out to be a fun movie to go see with your girlfriends. Justin bought rights years ago and thought it was sexy then-he’s since consulted with actual experts. Promotion for the movie would go better if he was with the cast. Instead, he’s the one out there talking about the actual issues, even though him doing that while the rest are “TEE HEE! Designer shoes!” is actually making a lot of people NOT want to see it.
@@TheEverGrowingRosey-333she could always when asked about the more frivolous things do what some other women do when being asked really sexist questions like about their diet or wardrobe for a movie while the men get the more existential questions, she could call them out and redirect the conversation to the important topics.
@@NoelleTakestheSkyI will play devils advocate here in the sense that if a bunch of girlfriends go out together it COULD bring awareness to the serious issues of DV. But I agree before I even read this I was thinking I was kinda confused because the trailer very clearly makes it out to be about DV, but the way Blake and Colleen have been talking about it it seems like a chick flick and/or rom-com
@@LZ2MEthe “man” is the one prioritizing the female gaze, dv and making sure women are in control/the ones controlling the depiction- it’s just about Colleen and Blake’s direction not man vs woman
It’s painfully obvious that Blake and Ryan wanted this to be a Barbenheimer 2.0. They just wanted to make money and didn’t care about telling a story about an important issue. It sucks that Justin Baldoni was screwed over by them but I’m glad to see that his intentions were in the right place. He seems like a thoughtful, genuine person ❤
Wouldn’t the film selling like another Barbeheimer actually help spread awareness by virtue of the film’s subject matter alone? Sometimes a bit of bait & switch helps get the people who REALLY need to learn about DV in the theater. 🤷🏼♀️
@@TheEverGrowingRosey-333 true but they’re not promoting it like a film about DV. Justin is but Blake is promoting it like a cutesy romcom. People who haven’t read the book or know it’s subject matter are going to be shocked when they find out what the film is really about
@@TheEverGrowingRosey-333Yeah but that would mean the movie is depicting it accurate. And Colleen Hoover is known for romantisizing abusive relationships
I disagree to an extent, the entire world was excited to see Deadpool x Wolverine & I didn't even hear this movie mentioned in the same headline or sentence. The whole "wear florals' blah blah makes sense to me, because I think all movies will be trying to create the feeling of an "event" a la Barbenheimer - & that's not an innately bad thing imo. It encourages more people to get up & dress up & attend local theatres. However, all the business of glamourising DA is unacceptable in my books. That's the part I'm unhappy with, but is also the reason I have never given Hoover a dime lol. Her writing is just not for me.
“Wear your florals” is absolutely trying to give the Barbie kind of feel. I wonder if Blake read the material and chose to glamorize it, instead of wanting to make this movie about DV. She wants a lighthearted film, about something serious, covered in florals. Smh
I'm pretty sure that's on the costume designers of this film not the actress. She also needed to be better trained for the interview for the topic of abuse.
@@RandomSwiftie13The costume designer for the movie was the same costume designer that worked with Blake on Gossip Girl. He said that Blake wanted to use her own clothes for the film.
Me too, Justin had the tough role of being the director and playing the abusive husband, and he clearly wanted to portray the subject matter with the seriousness it deserves. Instead, Blake and Colleen seem to be intent on marketing it as your typical romantic comedy.
No one thinks it’s strange that every little ick of Blake’s is being picked apart and the media backlash toward a film about DV have managed to demonize the leading female star and the female author and put the male lead on a pedestal? Please wake and grow UP and see how these comments are perpetuating the status quo
crazy how the male director and the one who portrays the abuser is the only one who seems to have a semblance of care and thoughtfulness about the subject matter at hand. i hadn't even thought about how gross it is to be turning such a spectacle for a movie about a woman being abused?? doing shared press between this and deadpool v wolverine feels like a cheap attempt at barbenheimer? but it really isn't the same
@aeoligarlic4024 he wrote a single scene for the film He is otherwise pretty much uninvolved Ryan was always that way If anything that's why that casting was perfect
Movies want to make money The more money the movie makes the more attention it gets People legit would have been happy with the film flopping Just to be politically correct Studios make movies to make as much money as possible if it was charity they would have been giving away free tickets
@@shippendales8543 the fact that he's 'always that way' is concerning, that's just masking the fact that he's a jerk with "omg that's just bc he's a hillarious dork" with his constant jokes At some point in your life there has to be something genuine about you. Ryan is just as out of touch like his wife
The fact that they changed her age so much just to have Blake Lively play her shows the power imbalance with casting. They wanted someone with star power to help market this film, and when the lead actress is married to one of Hollywood’s most powerful actors, essentially the most influential couple of the year, they’re going to ignore all the red flags for profit. And they’ve already announced a sequel with Justin planning on not returning as director which is unfortunate because he seems to actually care about discussing the issues and trauma of the subject matter, unlike the rest of the cast and the author.
My husband noticed this about the director-he’s telling people to get help if they’re with someone like Ryle, and the rest of the cast is all “TEE HEE! Romance!”
@@NoelleTakestheSkyyes so weird. ESPECIALLY THE AUTHOR NOT TAKING MORE PRIDE IN THE ACTUAL TOPIC? She is the one that wrote it!!! I do not understand at all omg
I’m team Justin in this. I know everyone is saying “oh so you’re going to believe the man over the whole cast of women who unfollowed him” but yes, I am. Because it’s clear he cared deeply about the subject matter. His previous projects and his podcast show he cares deeply about the stories he tells and how they are told. Blake and Ryan made green lantern :/
Why do I think they want to make Justin a "Bad Guy" disguised in misogyny. Like the same old tale of highschool "if queen bee don't like someone we all don't like someone" 🙄
The fact that she’s a social worker makes this sooooo icky. The teacher student books sounds horrible! I totally understand writing an abusive relationship in a way that romanticizes in a way that shows why people stay, then the perspective shifts after the break up. As someone who experienced this, I also think it would make sense to be conflicted afterwards as it’s common for people to think “was it really that bad?” as an effect of gaslighting and abuse. But that doesn’t sound like what this is.
Yeah.. it sounds like she’s just glamorizing pain. Although, this story is her mother’s as well. Her mom was a DV victim when she had her and her sister. So idk, it’s hard to say.
@rahii you're right, I should amend some of what I said. Social work as a field sometimes attracts the wrong kind of people, not "bad" people. And by wrong kind, I mean folks who are looking to heal from their own trauma by trying to heal others. Unfortunately, that doesn't always lead to the best people actually doing the work. Not to mention the whole profession itself is flawed but that's another conversation.
I highly recommend My Dark Vanessa by Kate Elizabeth Russell. Major trigger warning; it’s about a woman who looks back on her “relationship” with her male teacher that began when she was fifteen. Amazing novel and it’s my favorite book. It made me weep and made me feel seen.
@@mochiieekim Thankfully, several people pointed out that the novel deals with domestic violence, and there's a lot of scenes that they'd rather not be colouring in. Hoover sheepishly agreed, and the project was recalled.
@@trinaq It’s still fucking unbelievable that Colleen even thought about a coloring book. How the fuck does she think this story is so fun that it should have a coloring book?
So, Lily Blossom Bloom runs a florists, Atlas is the centre of her world, and Ryle gets easily riled up? Subtle, they are not. Also, at least the ending is better compared to the book, where Lily allows Ryle to coparent their daughter unsupervised, with her logic being that her own father abused her mother, but never Lily herself. In reality, not all abusers operate the same way.
Regarding the characters' names I had the best time introducing Atlas to my friend that went in with no previous knowledge of the book "so this is Atlas, don't be surprised but he actually isn't a cartographer"
I noticed that a lot of books that talk about abuse whether it’s for teens or adults get adapted more quickly than healthy relationships. After, The Kissing Booth, Fifty Shades of Gray, etc.
I imagine that's the studio men in suits thinking with each of these films that they're finally getting a platform for their stories and their redemption arcs to be told through the villains of these stories. I'm maybe cynical that way though. And then a film audience expectation that people like pining for the imagined passion and intensity of these love stories more, especially if they're kind of illicit, edgy and wrong. This stuff happens to most all fiction genres that filter through the hollywood system.
As an author who won’t have abusers end up with their victims, and have the end relationships be healthy and based on actual compatibility and respect, this annoys me to no goddamned end. I went the indie route when, a decade ago, I had an agent interested if I’d turn my male lead into someone like Edward Cullen. Edward was the big abuser people were worried about at the time. Now he’s positively charming. Even Christian Gray is now the one who is preferable to a lot of them abusers in popular books.
@@kamsismith Agreed, it makes me uncomfortable how so many abusive relationships are depicted on screen, as compared to healthy ones. Have you read the books, or seen the movie?
The barbie milking is soooo cringey and embarassing 🤮 girl I'm sorry but Margot and Greta are legends at this. If you wanted that moment, you should have picked a better script. Expecting Greta Gerwig results with a Collen Hoover story is laughable at best.
I just finished reading the book today, was curious enough to compare it to the movie. Thank you for your input. I will save my hard earned $ and wait for it to come out on tv.
Americas did thoudsands of similar drama movies.... Michael Douglads etc... By the way if you talk about it in comments, you are promoting the movie. People think that only solution of so,me ptroblem is writting a comment and that it wills olve everything.
@@helenmartin1092 honestly, you're better off. The film was nothing what you would hope it would be. I was extremely disappointed as I really did actually love this book so much. Save your time and money and definitely wait until it comes to netflix or maybe dvd 😂
Oh, I DESPISE COLLEEN. her writing is not good, downright DISGUSTING ("we both laughed at our son's big balls"), and when reading it ends with us, i thought it romanticised the abuse, especially with the end and lily deciding that HER DAUGHTER SHOULD GET TO SEE HER DAD. And allegedly she defended her son who was accused of sa. Won't watch the movie, EVER.
I agree, it's ironic that Colleen used to be a social worker, since she has no real understanding of healthy relationships, and she covered up her own son's scandal. I don't think that I would like her as a person if I ever met her.
Thank God you did this review because I am NOT putting my money in Blake Lively's pockets. She's really turned me off with this press tour she's doing. I already initially didn't like her but now, I REALLY don't like her. She's so tone-deaf. She's a huge star with a massive platform and instead of using that to spread awareness, she's promoting hair care products like GIRL READ THE ROOM. And my theory is that the cast is siding with Blake and not Justin is because she's the bigger star. Blake is married to Ryan Reynolds and BFFs with Taylor Swift so yeah, I don't think anyone is going to go against Blake. At least Justin is not shady in his interviews when Blake or Colleen or the rest of the cast are mentioned. He seems really passionate about the message of the film and I appreciate that he's still doing his part to spread awareness. Because he could have easily said "Everyone in the cast especially Blake doesn't like me, so I'll sit this one out. Byeee." But he didn't. He's still choosing to do interviews and promote the film because he knows that domestic violence against women is an important topic to discuss and I applaud Justin for that.
I was entirely indifferent to her until this movie. Now I absolutely can’t stand her to the point that I’m struggling to not dislike her husband by extension.
@TheEverGrowingRosey-333 sometimes reporters are fed questions to ask, but even if that wasn't a purposeful question from her camp, Blake could have just as easily deflected answering that like she does questions about Justin Baldoni, her co-star and the director of the film.
It’s so refreshing to see a man talk about serious topics with professionalism. Too bad Blake and Ryan have to make it all about fashion and cringe jokes. Both play the same character in every movie. Basically they play themselves.
One thing that annoyed me from the book was that Ryle and Allysa's parents are portrayed as being nice, normal people, yet one of them left a gun lying around in the presence of young children, and it's never called out as being irresponsible. Also, Allysa is well aware of her brother's violent behaviour, yet she encourages his relationship with Lily, without warning her in advance.
if i knew my sister had violent tendencies i would always play interference for potential partners. i love her but i wont let her hurt others because im a good sibling, unlike allysa
She didn’t encourage it at all. In the beginning, she told him to stop flirting with her multiple times and tried to prevent them from getting together but they’re grown adults, quite literally in the movie
Saying that you used your own wardrobe (or the wardrobe of your model friends) would be weird no matter the role - unless you were playing a model or an actress. Or a strange attempt to say “see regular people, I’m just like you! My clothes are quirky!” In any case, Blake and Colleen seem like a perfect match.
It’s weird because as an actor she is supposed to be playing someone else, not herself, and the little details like wardrobe and all might even make it seem like her self insert story but oh well can’t wait to see how the RUclipsrs will react to this mess
As a costume designer, this would be my ultimate nightmare. Your name is still in the credit but they ruined your idea and now people think you did not understood the source material. Ffs actors, let people do their job....
Lily is a pretty little rich girl archetype she buys a shop to open a flower shop after her father dies isnt shown working e.t.c... so its clearly inheritance money Movies have become more expensive Blake probably saved the production a lot of money doing that since Lilys cloths have to reflect she is someone who comes from money without it being to in your face and it's something Blake achieved well Blake has also generally dressed herself for years extremely well she has an eye for fashion specifically and she could be a costume designer as a second job I havent heard Justin say he had an issue with this either it saved them a lot of money
Lily is a pretty little rich girl archetype she buys a shop to open a flower shop after her father dies isnt shown working e.t.c... so its clearly inheritance money Movies have become more expensive Blake probably saved the production a lot of money doing that since Lilys cloths have to reflect she is someone who comes from money without it being to in your face and it's something Blake achieved well Blake has also generally dressed herself for years extremely well she has an eye for fashion specifically and she could be a costume designer as a second job I havent heard Justin say he had an issue with this either it saved them a lot of money
I wish Blake never got her greedy hands on this movie. I wish Justin was given everything to do full justice to the story. CoHo is controversial, but this story meant so much to Justin. And it’s clear no one else cared as much as him, not even the author, apparently.
@@bees.857 i personally loved the book. as someone who went through something similar, who has complex feelings about it all, it meant quite a lot to me. it's a story that means a lot to many i've spoken to as well.
@@promisemochi MOST women have experienced some sort of violence. But we don't need to read a fictionalized account by a shitty writer. I'm glad that you liked it tho.
THEE blake lively that (almost 10 years ago) stood infront of a bunch of people and talked passioned, almost crying, about child sexual abuse? Is the same chick not talking serious about this movie? Not the same energy held, i seeee. AND the rest of the cast, at 12:27 do NOT look like they know why they there😂🤣 Like, wtf
I use to love that moment of Blakes, but looking back... Now it just seems performative of her, motivated by a new image she wanted to go in. She was a new Mother and wanted to make it clear she was one of the "good ones" to be able to sell products easier to other Moms. Because if I really think about it. I haven't heard anything else about that since 2017. You don't hear about her or Ryan for that matter putting in any effort to constantly bring up that issue to keep it in the light for justice. Why? Maybe because they don't actually care that much...
i'm just going to say that Lily Blossom Bloom has the same vibes of those characters in wattpad fanfictions named "destiny" "hope" "sunshine" that end up sold by their mother to one direction
I remember reading a funny tumblr post that said the fact that someone paid thousands of dollars to see the name "Lily Blossom Bloom" be in print but "Ebony Darkness Dementia Way" didn't even see a cent
Never read Colleen Hoover, the times I tried it was terrible. That said, I thought this was a cutesy-meet-cute-funny book, because the movie was being marketed that way, as if it was a rom-com. I was truly surprised to know that this book/movie deals DV. As someone who has seen DV, experienced it, survived it; how they decided to market the movie is truly disheartening, especially when gender based violence is not going down anywhere in the world. We need to explore subjects as they are and talk about them with the depth that they require. More power Justin for continuing to talk about what the movie deals with.
Between the romanticisation of abuse, the behind the scenes child-like behaviour and the constant references to other celebrities being made more important than the topic at hand, I find this movie and everything around it in so poor in taste. With a topic as such, I’d expect them to make a movie survivors could identify in; it doesn’t even feel like acting anymore, it feels like I’m watching Blake pursuing a hobby. The marketing drove me away from any support I could have given to this movie; I just feel sorry for Baldoni, because I think he actually showed some great commitment in trying to take the topic seriously and elevate the original story from a fan fiction of abuse to something of value. Now more than even I applaud Margot Robbie in Barbie, because in spite of her fame and her position as both lead actress and producer she still managed to give everyone their own space to do their job without causing drifts.
I hope you're aware of the fact that Margot Robbie despite being in the powerful position she is in this industry, had no problem working with David O. Russell a known woman abuser(including Amy Adams herself). Rich and especially white women do not care about feminism. Only about themselves.
Literally this! The entire drama, no matter who is to blame, is ruining the actual important discussion which is DV awareness. The author as well as everyone involved are bringing attention to the film in all the wrong ways that it is diverting the attention from the more important issue. The child like behavior from EVERYONE is just ruining the entire purpose of this film.
So I have a question & please nobody jump down my throat because I am only learning about this movie (plus its controversy Today)… but do you think that maybe they could be promoting it as “fun” could be so that any women (or men) who suffer from DV would “be allowed” by their ab**ive partners to Go See the movie under the pretense that it’s a rom-com? I understand that this is something that definitely should be talked about more. By best friend was able to finally able to leave her ab**ive husband (I hate being fake, but I had to pretend to like him to his face, all the while helping her find divorce attorneys & always being a place she could stay when things were at their worst) because he had isolated her from EVERYONE ELSE in her life. I think he would not have “allowed” her to see a movie like this with me if he knew it was about DV. Again, I have never heard about, nor read this author. And I started down this rabbit hole Today because I was watching Ryan, Hugh & Ryan’s mom “interviewing” the guy actor. I honestly thought it was a rom-com. I am learning A Lot today. Thank you to anyone who answers back, & I hope you’re having a good day.
Wow. I am kind of stunned. I always thought the romanticization of Ryle was to create a realistic representation of why it is so hard for women to leave their abusers… because they remember the good times, because they see their abuser’s potential, because they have compassion for their abuser’s pain, etc (not even mentioning financial vulnerability or power imbalances yet) helping answer the victim-blaming question “why doesn’t she leave.” I always thought this was thoughtfully executed but the “I write to entertain not to teach” quote is making me question everything about that assumption.
It think this phrase is taken out of the context and you are right about the portrayal of narcissists and abusers. I think it’s extremely immature and naive to wish there should be grotesquely evil image of a bad person because in reality it’s not how this is. Her portraying story through rose-colored girly glasses is a great stylistic device because it shows the mindset of a hopeless romantic, a naive idealistic female who is most likely to get into the traps of love-bombing abuser!!
@@dreamchaser7603 Only the author made the abuser/narcissist redeemable and turning abusive only when threatened. I think the director Justin made it more realistic, that we do ignore the redflags that are there from the very beginning.
I quote from “Note from the Author” of the book: “In the past, I’ve always said I write for entertainment purposes only. I don’t write to educate, persuade, or inform. This book is different. This was not entertainment for me…” So yeah, this quote is out of context. For me, reading this book helped me understand one kind of domestic abuse. I know there are several different situations and abusers, but still it portrays how hard leaving is. That’s why I liked it so much
Its ironical that Baldoni, the guy who literally plays the abuser, is the only one talking about the abuse , how its wrong and how important it is to represent the women who have been through it. While the two women , the writer and the actress are going on about flowers and dresses and romance. Its disgusting.
it doesnt sit right with me that blake was wearing Britney's iconic versace dress to promote this movie. it was literally the ACTUAL dress that britney wore, and blake herself admitted it should have been in a museum instead of on her body. Britney has been emotionally and financially abused her entire life. blake could have returned the dress to britney when she discovered it so that britney could choose best what to do with it. instead she is co-opting the dress to promote a movie about abuse and slapping a shiny flowery veneer over it. Its more sickening than what kim k did to marilyn's dress and i dont know why more people arent discussing it
Kim K damaged a historical artifact, so Idk if I’d call what Blake is doing worse necessarily maybe just as bad. It depends on how Britney feels about it honestly, has she said anything?
@@TheEverGrowingRosey-333 yeah maybe I should say equally bad, but personally i consider the 2003 Versace dress a piece of pop culture history too 🤷♀️ Britney posted on insta dancing in a similar dress, saying she's no Blake lively but it'll do. It could have been a sweet moment to reunite Britney w the dress instead of using it for movie promo
Also, the fact that she was inspired (Ew) by the domestic abuse she came across in her job actually makes perfect sense, I don't think people who actually have been through it could write such a terrible book about it.
Justin is the only one really taking the content seriously. I mean, not even the author has the skill to portray such heavy topics in a nuanced, insightful manner, so I’m not in the least surprised that Blake lively and much of the media is taking such a light, “easy-to-market” spin on everything.
Usually I’m all for older (not that Blake is old, you know what I mean) women being casted but Lily was 23 in a relationship with a 29 year old man, they got married in like six months… that aspect of the power dynamic was lost.
Lily’s father was abusive to her too, so what does Lily do in the next book? Has Lily push her daughter and Ryle into having a relationship that Ryle doesn’t even seem to want. I guess Mom leaving Dad means Dad won’t be abusive to the kid? That abusers never turn it on the kid to punish the ex for leaving? I honestly question a lot of Colleen’s considering her lack of understanding a lot of things, and how often she romanticizes abuse and has abusers end up “happily” ever after/for now with their victims.
From what I heard, it was partially inspired by Hoover's parents. To the point she dedicates the books to her mother for hiding her father's worst side from her
@@misscarolinasousa Which I kinda think is a shield against criticism. She claims her dad was abusive to both of them, yet she has Lily push for her abusive ex to have part custody of her baby? Shouldn’t she know better that abusers will turn it against the kids when the adult target isn’t there? At best, this who thing where the abuser stops abusing just because he’s a father now is a fantasy outcome. At worst, it’s Colleen not being truthful about some things and being ignorant. I also have a very hard time seeing her as a social worker when she doesn’t seem to have the ability to identify abusive situations, or can identify them, but sees them as romantic. Claiming “but I was a social worker” could also be a shield against claims of not knowing what she’s talking about. She was a social worker, so she knows better, doncha know. I don’t like to state that I think someone is lying about having dealt with abuse, but something doesn’t add up with Colleen’s claims considering what she romanticizes.
@@misscarolinasousathat's just a marketing tactic. why can't she actually go to therapy with her mother to deal with this instead of making books like it ends with us that romanticize DV
@@NoelleTakestheSky I agree, the ending of Lily allowing Ryle to have unsupervised custody of their daughter following their divorce just made me uncomfortable. There's no way that I would ever let my abusive ex near our child, as even if they weren't physically abusive, they could still verbally abuse them. Justin Baldoni seems to be the only one who tried to create a nuanced project to make viewers aware of domestic violence, but Blake and Colleen seem intent on turning it into a simple romantic drama, and downplaying the issue.
He doesn’t even need to be a direct danger to the child, he could abuse another woman he brings into the home and have the child witness that. Even seeing her dad smash and break things in a rage would damage her despite not physically hurting. I hate this “he was a bad husband but he’s a good father” BS. Apart of being a good father is being a good partner to the mother of your child.
Honestly, she has not improved on her writing for the past twelve years. I don’t respect her as an author because I fully believe she prefers quantity over quality and doesn’t care if whatever book she writes is good. As long as the book has her name on it, she’ll make money and mostly it’s just a cash grab. I don’t really believe she cares how good or bad it is but like how hard is it to make an enjoyable book that doesn’t have to use trauma as a plot twist?
I’m seeing more and more writers care about quantity over quality, and since quantity gets more attention on Amazon, those of us who care about quality have to decide if we’re going to prioritize quality or if we want a chance at success. One writer I know puts a new full book out every nine days. How can writers, like me, who give a damn stand a chance these days?
@@NoelleTakestheSky I say we do have a chance. Even though quantity has sold a lot more, I prefer books that are quality because of the time and effort. And the more quality in the book, the more it’ll be remembered and memorable. And if someone like her can get that much attention then so can we, we just don’t know when that’ll show up for us.
I work for a company that distributes books to libraries and I can confirm, Hoover is definitely in for money and therefore writes for quantity. I get sets of books that libraries have ordered for their shelves, and before I knew ANYTHING about Colleen Hoover or her books (I don't have tiktok) or what they were like, I despised her on sheer principle, because I saw her name on So. Many. Books. All with similar names, all with unspecific vague blurbs, all eye-watering pastel cover art. And now I Know what they're about? Murder. Murder with knives and voodoo dolls. She's like the second coming of James Patterson, but at least he only (ghost)writes crime/thriller schlock that makes great paper pulp at the local rubbish dump. HE isn't being read by teenagers who'll think his shit is romantically aspirational!
Unpopular opinion: I don't like Blake. She tries a lot to be the cool girl (like the Jlaw from 10 years ago) and makes her be kind of out of touch and a bit cringey. She always has to say I did this, I did that, I'm friends with this person. She's not very humble
Not very humble indeed! I remember reading an article a few months ago about celebrities visiting Disney, and Blake said that she and her kids visit the parks no less than 20 times a year! I'll have her know that some people are over the *moon* to visit Disney just once in their life. What a snob.
@mkayyy1918 it was the plantation they got married on literally had signs everywhere specifying that it was a plantation there was no way Blake and Ryan couldn't have known
I remember reading the book and hating it. When I heard they were making a movie and with 2 actors that I like, I was definitely disappointed in them :/ Glamorizing abuse and from an author who defended her son who SA’d a woman? Yeah it’s a no from me 🙃
@@Model_Roe yeah, a 16 year old apparently and she also victim blamed her so not only she is a horrible author in my opinion, but also a horrible human being
@@Ana-su3fb that's terrible not to mention hypocritical for someone whos made millions off of women who have been victims of DV but to your point I have heard a lot of people say her books are trash and she can't write to save her life
I really believe Justin wanted to turn this into a true to live story and he got railroaded. When he directed Five Feet Apart he consulted with Clare Wineland, a RUclipsr who had cystic fibrosis (she has since passed), so he could make the story more true to life. Not saying he does it with every movie but just that it seems he has an established pattern with having more well informed people helping him tell a more well informed story. I didn’t particularly fan girl over Blake lively before but this whole thing is just so completely tone deaf. Promoting your skin care line and telling people to dress in florals to watch a movie about domestic violence is very bad. Especially because parents might take their teens to watch this thinking it’s a rom com. I didn’t know about what Colleen Hoover has said in the past about her writing and honestly it makes me dislike her more if that’s even possible. How can you grow up with that back story, work with people who have been victimised and abused in all kinds of ways and say confidently ‘I write to entertain and play devils advocate with my stories’ when you constantly write about abuse and glorify it? You go viral on TikTok for your books and don’t care that there are impressionable young people who will accept that at face value? Compare that to a book I just finished This Lie Will Kill You by Chelsea Pitcher who covers abuse like this but the character experiencing it comes to realise what’s happening to her and a line her new boyfriend says to her really stood out to me “I will never take your silence as a yes”. Such a simple seeming sentence that has so much impact on the teens it’s aimed at, but CoHo wants to play devils advocate? All I can say is I will happily tell anyone I’ve never read a single one of her books myself!
@@ArMo-ho7ie it's beyond me. It's embarrassing. So many amazing books written by women. Someone in work just told me she's reading this book and I can't view her the same 🤣
@@lazylurker2842 yeah. I think many women write amazing things but it's always the white woman who romanticises problematic things who gets famous. Two of my classmates read this ass too💀🤢
I was just thinking that. She makes awful books and her writing style is ass. She chooses to write books about the same virgin girl who’s been in love go through awful shit and chooses to glamorize it and try to make it sexy instead of recognizing that this a really horrible situation. And it’s not just one book, it’s literally ALL of her books.
I'm gonna preface this by saying this is gonna sound incredibly pretentious but I hope it does shed some light on things. I think people who are even moderately "intelligent" or "educated" underestimate just how...simple most people are? When critics and educated folk scratch their heads at how such a boring, uninspired, or simple piece of media could be popular, you must understand the average person is, well, simple. Most people hate thinking and hate open ended, unresolved endings. So there's a reason why things like bestseller books are so boring and banal to people who actually critically think.
As a DV & SA survivor, & knowing the film had strong, explicit scenes depicting DV & SA it made me want to throw up... She says that the films not about being 'just a victim'or 'just a survivor'... she is tone deaf In the reality that some victims of DV/SA suffer unimaginable damage physically, emotionally, psychologically lose their sense of self identity, their passions, hopes, dreams, and aspirations. A part of them dies. For many of us survivors it takes the rest of our lives to heal fully, as it is a continuous process. After you have been destroyed like that, nothing is ever fully quite the same. Blake seems to care more about her wardrobe and superficially approaches such an important topic.
This seems like a quick fame and cash grab for everyone involved except Justin Baldoni, glad he got the genuine message of the book and I hope Blake takes it more seriously and stops acting like so childish and start acting more mature because it is a mature movie🤷♀️
Justin did so much to spotlight cystic fibrosis advocate Claire Wineland both during her life and after her death, I will always be so grateful for him and the ways he supported her❤️
Fun fact, a lot of social workers have personality disorders like narcissism and borderline personality disorder and even psychopathy. She gives that energy to me. I’m a social worker and I am jaded by the fake ones I’ve met, like this author (based on what you said in this video).
@@bringiton5282, when there's a job where you can have power over ppl, abusers go for that job. I have heard statistics where most female abusers are nurses. Ppl are weary with police because the terrible ones often overshadow the good. We have the priests diddling little boys as jokes.Mine craft RUclipsrs and Colleen Ballinger. It shouldn't be a shocker some social workers are abusers.
I feel like with the way parasocial relationships work, people have conflated certain ideas of Blake Lively with the ideas that: Blake can help produce a good film, and that she has an upstanding character/opinions. I think she’s nice (enough), she has a fun relationship with a fun husband, and she’s a fashion icon. These ideas make people feel like Blake is their phone-screen best friend, they can’t really consolidate the idea that maybe she *can* have a bad take on dysfunctional (abusive) relationships.
I have not read the books yet, but as a victim of longterm domestic violence this depiction is real. I loved him, I saw the humanity in him, I considered anger as mental illness, I listened to his pleas of improvement and the small changes, I reframed abuse as mistakes/the intention or excuses behind them. I suppressed memories, and focused only on the positive. He was also very good at sex, because of the submissive/dominant dynamic and was very confident and sex is a form of intimacy when there is not intimacy elsewhere and more vivid due to the trauma bond.. It is thrilling and intoxicating but also slowly destroys you in fight or flight/as your self worth disintegrates. You confuse that person as your healing/safety while they are destroying you. I do not agree as a lot of victims do romantacize and maladaptive dream their own relationship. May this show another angle/educate from someone who has gotten out and wishes she found this book sooner possibly to grasp the concept ‘it ends with us’
I do agree with the financial side though. The disposable income was not tasteful.. I just wanted to focus and get my perspective of the main subject out. However, I am grateful maybe that Blake’s role, and her marketing gets the topic more reach potentially.. I found the movie could have been a lot more triggering without the lighter tones. I still cried, but I also felt some relief from it.
Thank you for offering your perspective. I'm not a Colleen Hoover fan by any means, but I did find it kind of odd that the video acts like the good times in an abusive relationship shouldn't be shown. Like, that's what compels some survivors to stay, because they remember when things are good, and hope the person will be better. I actually think showing both the highs and the abuse is very realistic, and not something you always see in media about dv - which may help people recognize signs
@@loureedpipes I’m grateful a movie can bring it mainstream.. I didn’t know what lovebombing or gaslighting was until I was so far deep, and I say it knowing I was naive and trusted he loved me the same way I did him.
Eh, I think that's an insult to Stephenie Meyer. Yes, they share having a fame that arose from popularized books that weren't actually all that great, and SMeyer certainly has her own array of questionable story choices (i.e. imprinting). But I've also seen praise given towards her depiction of Bella's depression in New Moon, she's created *plenty* of interesting and likable side characters in place of the mains, and plus, I honestly can't see her stooping so low as to write about being turned on by cow poop. 😅
@@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose Haha yeah no you're right, I'm sorry Stephanie. I guess I just meant that Colleen has the toxic parts of Stephanie and none of the talent.
I would pick stephanie instead for the world she created. The films might have enhanced it sure, but she gets the credit. Coho though? i don't think so, i will put her in Anna Todd league of writing
I didn’t understand why it’s important to portray abused woman character as younger and confused and immature and financially incapable than her abuser to make the abuse plausible? There are many many self assured, educated, independent women who are genuinely innocent and naive and are taken advantage of and are abused as they continue ignoring glaring red flags in name of love!!! I haven’t read the novel or watched the movie, but it’s a great step to depict that the survivor or victim sees the actual abuse only after coming out of that relation completely!! I have been emotionally abused for 11 years, and all these years I have been thinking that I have been depriving my bf/husband of the love he deserved, while it’s only this year, I realised when I was getting repeated nightmares of the abuse disturbing my sleep that he was extorting everything out of me by manipulating and psychologically threatening me.
Blake just making it about her and the fact that she got a movie despite being incredibly mediocre. How dare she wear Britney's dress at the premiere of this shit movie.
It's ironic that a male is more vocal about female DV victims and the implications of staying in such a relationship while the women are more focused on dresses and designer brands to promote this movie. Blake obviously didn't read the book, but even a little bit of research on DV would have given her a clear perspective. She's just too stubborn to realize this.
As someone who studied costume design, Blake Lively is my nightmare. An actress comes in and starts putting her own spin on what you've worked so hard curating. Then its not only subpar but makes NO SENSE.
There is this idea that sometimes the most beautiful women in the world have the most atrocious personal style, because they rely on their natural beauty. Blake Lively is like textbook definition of that
I have mixed feelings about taboo romances in fiction but hearing that Colleen Hoover used to be a social worker whilst rationalizing abuse in her novels is uh... Well, let's just say I'm glad she only handles these subjects in fiction now
11:44, nobody does method dressing like Zendaya. Fax no printer. Margo did it well for Barbie, but Z has been doing it for Dune 1 n 2, spider-man, and Challengers.
Its so sad for Justin how this has all turned out. Justin is actually a great guy with a great podcast (its called "Man Enough" - seriously, man or woman - check it out!!!!) and he very clearly cares about the issue of DV and wanted to create something that would force abusers to see themselves portrayed... but instead we are wearing florals for a flower shop... groundbreaking
Few points to make. 1. Abuse situations are not all bad. Showing positives aspects of a relationship (when it is good) is to explore how difficult it is to leave when there are good moments. The abuse IS bad, there is no question there. 2. Coleen Hoover was inspired to write this story because of the abuse between her Mother and Father. Where the first instance is directly tied to her mother’s first experience. 3. The age up, as Hoover stated, is to fix the error of having a 30 year old neurosurgeon. 4. My own two cents, higher age doesn’t mean you’ll spot the red flags, because all flags look the same when wearing rose colored glasses. Everything else you said, I agree with.
Before watching this, I knew nothing about the premise of this movie. I assumed, based on all of my RUclips ads, that it was a simple fun romantic summer movie. Now that I know what it's really about it makes their marketing approach really icky.
in the book lily straight up asks ryle what he'd do if her daughter came home and told him that his boyfriend beat her up... and she still allows him to coparent
Bruh, that quote about the reader "rooting" for a student/teacher relationship makes me intentional about avoiding Hoover like the PLAGUE even more than I already have.
I went with some friends who wanted to see it. The first act was incredibly boring 😢 Atlas was pretty good, and I enjoyed the acting from the younger versions of Atlas and Lily. I hated that Ryle’s hand injury didn’t have any consequences for his huge surgery! I thought that was very silly. I thought the movie was a 5/10. Definitely needed more editing. And less lip biting from Blake 😅
I really don't know the author nor the book. But.....I think the author.....uses her past experience as a social worker as reader inserts. I find that wrong. Imagine a fanfic about your abuse😢
9:15 🤢🤣🤣🤢🤣 um now we cant say " young" ...calling someone young can mean like high school and younger.....relax 🫣😭 trying to correct her SO hard 🥴🥴 actors / actresses say this ALL the time like " young Anna & Elsa" on broadway
I haven't watched the movie because duh I'm not putting myself through that trash again, but when I saw Justin Baldoni was cast, I was relieved because he's the perfect person to handle this topic with respect and care. Super disappointing to see the women on this project disregarding subject matter entirely, and honestly just really weird.
I tried reading the book but put it down after a few chapters.. wasn't for me or whatever. Went to watch the movie with a friend - I did enjoy it but everything felt rushed. It was hard trying to explain to my friend that domestic violence scenes felt rushed haha. But, it was the case for me. There is a heaviness with a topic like that which I hoped they would lean into more, maybe don't have to show him hurting her, but showing her hurting after was important to the emotions of the film and missed.
i mean, as someone who has been in a psychologically abusive relationship i don't think that showing that initial attractiveness of the abuser is inherently wrong, there's a reason we start a relationship with them, yk? i think it's very important how you follow it up with the rest of the story tho
Can't believe Colleen ruined watching Blake Lively for me... I hate her books and already knew this movie was gonna be trash. Blake needed way more media training for the interview about the topic of abuse. She is talking about literally anything else and avoiding the actual topic for some reason...is it hard to talk about it for her? Or she just is not educated about it so she is avoiding it at all cost? Idk what's going on with her. She is usually really cool during interviews and is very well spoken about her other films.
Honestly, I don’t dislike the book as much as I should. After years of teaching literature at an all-girls high school during the rise in popularity of 50 Shades of Grey, I appreciate that this book at least acknowledges abuse as a negative thing. It is flawed, tone-deaf, and still quite toxic, but not as bad in comparison. However, the movie's PR has been awful and extremely insensitive. For years, I’ve rolled my eyes at Blake Lively’s performative attitude alongside Ryan Reynolds, and finally, people are feeling as annoyed as I have been. Yes, you can be irreverent and lighthearted, but there’s a time and place for everything.
I do think there is a band wagon effect that happened with the hate around CH and this book in particular. I understand why some people probably have a deep reaction to this book, I've always been confused as to what I was missing, because I just think it's a silly book with problematic ways of dealing with the sensitive topic it is tackling. I do appreciate the attempt at showing DV as a negative and the nuance that exists for those involved. Also the characters have ridiculous names haha. I dunno, I might just be jaded lol, but to me her writing is as sub par as plenty of other romance writers that do not get the level of hate Colleen does. The scrutiny probably comes from the amount of books she has published and the level of fame she has reached. With that comes more spotlight on her personal life (Son who allegedly SA'd someone) and where her inspiration comes from etc. It's just like with ACOTAR. They're fun books with dumb moments and inconsistencies but I am not offended personally by them being just what they are.
Absolutely this!! There are plenty of people-including DV survivors-that enjoy choosing to read about abusive, toxic, and unhealthy relationships in fiction. Those people should be afforded the dignity of getting to knowingly choose what they’re reading. It’s so gross how the marketing for the movie was super cutesy and rom-commy when it should’ve been more like a dramatic, emotional thriller. Either way, I have much more respect for a work that says “this is toxic and unhealthy! But still fun to read about because it’s not real!” over “what do you mean toxic? She fixed him! It’s all super healthy and okay now don’t worry abt it!”
I'm not really surprised by Blake's behavior because this is the same Blake Lively who defended Woody Allen when he received SA allegations even going as far as calling him "empowering"
I know Ryan Reynolds was only mentioned in passing, but I'm just gonna say I'd love a video about his promo for Deadpool has largely consisted of him essentially 'photobombing' everything and its lowkey getting tiring. They really ham up his likeable personality, but its so obviously just him promoting his Marvel movie than him being social butterfly, imho, that seeing him everywhere is starting to annoy me lol
Yeah, watching the Deadpool promotion has made me dislike him because the persona he’s putting on for the press has simply gotten too much for me and now I’m just annoyed by him lol
That make a lot of sense. At the end of the day, they're just promoting a movie. They want people to go see it so they're just finding ways to do so. Capitalizing on sympathy is one of those ways but you don't have to like the personality of an actor to watch their movie. It can help but in the end, the movie itself, the acting, the cinematography, the story, the dialogues, the costumes matter more than the actors themselves. Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds are trying to curate a very sympathetic image of themselves to the public to make money.
It's such a shame, I think the story could've been such a powerful message if they were all passionate to raise awareness. It genuinely could've worked so well to have this man on a pedestal only to pull out the rug underneath us
Based on this video analysis, the storyline of the film, and the way Blake Lively is marketing the movie. I would say that Blake is exactly Colleen Hoover's target demographic. Not wanting anything educational, just entertaining.... No shade.🌼💛
I keep hearing about people talking about the drama regarding this movie. I knew it wouldn’t be a good movie so I didn’t watch it. Thank you for watching it so that I don’t have to.
I think they’re likely pronatalists, as they’ve had 4 kids (I believe Blake said in an interview that she’s been nonstop pregnant or breasfeeding for years now? She’s been a mom since she was like 25, that’s early). She’s having to squeeze in acting gigs between pregnancies, which cannot be easy. All to support his obsession with getting her pregnant, which he also jokes about loving doing. and sounds like they have no…well, HE has no plans of stopping while also making quirky complaints about how overwhelming it is to be covered in & surrounded by screaming kids. As if they don’t have tons of Nannies to choose from. They give Muskrat vibes (as in Elon) and I think Reynolds, who is still beloved by many, is buying up companies left and right, to support his ever-expanding brood to “save the planet by repopulating it”. With his seed, of course. I dunno, I used to enjoy his humor but kinda over it now, and his whole business tycoon era, including him forcing himself into the film production and promo, which wasn’t as heavily mentioned here but Blake really defended it in interviews. Just…no.
can we also talk about how, in the books, atlas was much older than lily (who was a minor when they first met) and they had a romantic relationship? atlas leaves to boston and comes back to sleep with lily on her 16th birthday, which is, weirdly, the legal age of consent in the state lily lived in. can we not glorify grooming by shipping her with atlas?
I don’t think the story glamourizes abuse… I strongly believe it actually depicts abuse as it really happens. You see: as a victim myself and the daughter of a victim, I know abusers don’t come as evil. They rather appear as charming, incredible people and the realization of what’s really happening doesn’t come so easy. Also nobody hates the abuser right away… we struggle to believe it’s actually abuse and then we struggle with the feelings and the good moments we had with that person… so from where I stand she did a very accurate job on showing what we face inour everyday lives as victims and the struggles to 1) believe what’s happening for what it is and 2) letting go of the love, the good moments and all the great qualities that person has. I still miss so much of my ex husband! I do have clarity now about what I have been through but still: I miss some of the qualities he has tha I couldn’t find in anyone else. I wish domestic violence were as simple as people who don’t know it from experience talk about it: There’s a bad person who only makes your life miserable and you just run away for your life…. I just Wish!
Btw: people who are victims of DV don’t just walk around crying and being depressed. We have very successful lives and we don’t get offended by floral attire haha. I really don’t like the writing on the book because it strikes me as some low budget soap opera… So I’m far from judging this novel a literary treasure. But, people, chill. Every experience is unique and if you read the very last considerations of the author in the book you know she based the story on her parents’ experience. If you feel like the movie is supposed to Documentary on the suffering of defenseless women please read the book again!
I’ve read the book also and I really enjoyed the movie! One thing you mentioned was that it was weird that Atlas and lily still have feelings for each other after 20+ years. I think it’s not that they still have feelings for each other but they went through something very strong and traumatic together, so I don’t think you can forget someone like that. I think when they see each other it’s more like all those feelings came back and it’s more like “holy crap I’d never thought I’d see you again, which also brings back insane emotions.”
I’ve heard some people say that her repeated line of “she’s more than this one thing that happened to her” was helpful, and that’s great, but since that’s ALL she’ll say about it, it really feels like a dismissal. Like a “get over it, boss babe!”
As a social worker who works with domestic abusers I am shocked that the author claims to have any experience in this field! Watched the movie today and it was a typical romcom love triangle movie but with weird violence in it. Not really strong psychological abuse first, then full-on physical abuse and at the end, when she breaks up with him (actually the most dangerous moment for victims!), he just accepts it. If you are really a victim of abuse, read "why does he do that?"! No one gets violent because he accidentally killed his brother as a child...
Excellent review! As a domestic violence survivor I appreciate that you point out how this movie romanticizes violence! I was 18 with a man who was 10 yrs older than me the age difference absolutely makes a huge difference in the way you carry yourself and respond to your abuser!! Took me 6 yrs to get scape this situation and when I did I had to leave the state and move several times!! My sister watched the movie and told me to stay miles away from it, said it was a joke and was the kind of movie that will make young girls think this is so romantic and even strive for relationships where they’re over powered by abusive men!! I was left for dead on my kitchen floor, I left for a couple of days and was right back as soon as he convinced how everything was going to be perfect and beautiful, this is very serious and cannot be turned into a romantic comedy!! Thank you for bringing attention to this! - A DV survivor
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the ABSURD irony of Baldoni playing the abuser and somehow being the only person in interviews devoted to being mindful of it
Exactly!!!!! It's quite sad really. Feel bad for Justin, hope he gets to be in better projects in the future.
How is it ironic that a man playing a terrible person would go out of his way to portray himself as the exact opposite of?
The only side we need to take is DV victims. If it wasn't for justin's obsession with this book, blake(jada 2) wouldn't be in our faces today. He too was trying to potray a distorted version of DV. He deserved blake and vice versa. Him playing the ab*ser is not a coincidence. 🎉
@@Oceangrace90 You are here too? With the same comment? This is about the 15th time I see this exact comment from "you" on different videos about this film. This this "Oceangrace90" account a bot?
I think like the victims, they dont know the ammount of scheming done by the perpetrator
I can’t get over the fact that her name is Lily Blossom Bloom 😭😭 She sounds like a Winx character thrown into a random novel
I've also seen her name mentioned as sounding like a My Little Pony OC, which, frankly, would be a lot more fitting.
colleen pooper can't come up with a better name
I think this every time I see her name
And she's a florist 😂 like c'mon...
Fr bro she sounds like a Powerpuff girl 💀💀
The fact that Justin appeared to care more about portraying the sensitive subject matter than THE ORIGINAL AUTHOR OF THE STORY ITSELF is very concerning.
I feel Blake understood the source materiaL and Justin was trying to turn it into something better in his mind
People have been complaining about House of the dragon making changes from the source material
why is this any different
Colleen is in the same league as Twilight and Fifty Shades and thats okay
people can simply choose not to watch her films or buy her books
Blake understoon how ridiculous certain aspects of the source material where
Lily Bloom opens a flower shop
Kincaid
Atlas
these are clearly not names of real people catchy as they may be lol
Hearing the characters names personally made me go ahhhhhh! and distracted me from the stuff in the film
its a YA 2000s style novel adaptation and you can tell
IKR like colleen is legit trying to false advertise and make ppl go in for shock value or sth. Like as if her freaking book isnt out for YEARSat this point and wasnt sold everywhere.
@@jayswisssubliminals5243 It's different because House of the Dragon is a well written book that takes its subject matter seriously and It Ends with Us is not.
Justin wasn't just trying to make it better in his mind, he was trying to make it better and more respectful.
I have a friend who is a courtroom advocate for children. She is constantly distressed by women like Colleen Hoover, bored white ladies with zero attachment to or awareness of the actual situations they are dealing with, actively being a danger to those they purport to help
@@jayswisssubliminals5243 the source material is about domestic violence, and Justin wanted to reflect that and hopefully help women in that situation with the movie. He is committed to that. Blake, otoh, is all about "ah, florals", "ah, cute romcom", "ah, my new hair care line", "ah, my hubby is for some reason super involved in this movie, how cute"
It is absolutely horrific for me to learn that Colleen Hoover was a social worker. That is terrifying.
As someone who’s disabled and also a social worker, it’s an unfortunate reality. SO many people go into helping fields just to lord authority and power over more marginalized populations, not because they genuinely want to help and promote change. When mean girls can’t become nurses, some end up as social workers 🫠
Nightmare fuel
Even worse when you realize she ignored and silenced a girl that came to her about her son allegedly sa'ing her.
@@danaco9942 she strikes me as the suffer tourism type
What's even worse, is that she stated in an interview once that she puts her characters in extreme situations because she is not a feeler, meaning that she doesn't have a lot of on hand empathy. So, writing her characters in the extremes gets her to feel. Makes so much sense when you read the summaries of most of her famous books. There's putting your character's through it for plot, and then there's whatever the hell that lady be writing about. Very toxic relationships, very traumatic incidents, etc. Like, how are you a writer and you seem to barely scrape the surface of the human condition? You can't write about love and relationships without your characters being in action movie level trauma scenes?! Why are her books always from teenage/young twenty perspectives, too? There's always flashbacks and stuff. Girl, you havent been young in a damn minute! Write about your middle aged white women problems. 😂 I get it though, her audience is mostly 15-young twenty somethings experiencing heartbreak for the first time and needing to feel like their theatrics are relatable. I feel like It Ends With Us, was her most normal book, and perhaps her most important, because it does tell and show you how easy it is to be manipulated in the sake of love, but why are all of her other male live interests also just like Ryle? They don't get an author's note at the end telling you, the reader, that he was inspired by her abusive father and therefore, should not be given sympathy to. Her other male love interests just get to be abusive and walk free.
A former Social Worker saying she “likes to play devils advocate” when it comes to domestic abuse. Holy shit I pity any client she had…
that’s very clearly not what she was saying. like she literally goes on to say she likes presenting difficult topics in a different light. the quote doesn’t even appear to be about this book…
@@scarlettelisabeth5644it’s still icky in context
I know. It's disgusting!
she said she likes to play devils advocate when she writes, not when it comes to DV. she likes to portray subjects in a different light than what it's typically seen as. i think the idea of a romance story about DV is genius because every case of DV is originally a romance story that ends badly. its enlightening and sad.
It is a circle og violence in most of the cases. You know the abused one become the abuser. People are not always bad and the world is not black and white. Now, ofc that all the abusers should be punished and all the victims should be helped out. But this isn’t that ideal world. I don’t think she wanted to glorify the violence with this statement at all. Also I don’t read her nor like her writings.
Colleen’s character naming reminds me of when I wrote a novel in eighth grade and named one of my characters Al Dente
I would read that rather than anything by Coleen Hoover.
Fetta Cheeney
@@sadmermaid😂😂😂
I hope Al Dente ran an Italian restaurant (or pasta factory!)
That’s exactly why I hated this book so much. It reads like something I would have written in middle school and I describe it that way to people who haven’t read it. I hate her writing so much and do not understand how it’s so popular.
You can really tell that Justin really wanted to make a movie about DV and its effects while Blake and likely Collen wanted to make it a Rom-Com. I hate it. I wish Justin could have told the story his way.
Do we have Blake on record actually saying she wanted a romcom? Cause so far it’s all just been speculation as far as I know. Some of it frankly seeming unfairly biased against Blake & I don’t understand why besides being in the limelight lately because of this film. Her interviews about the film have been called inappropriate because she simply answered questions about her hair. 🤷🏼♀️ Is she supposed to just ignore the questions?
And I’d caution against assuming Justin’s intent are as pure as he markets himself to be. He could mean everything he says, & he could just be trying to market himself & the film. His original comments about the book when he bought the rights for it apparently weren’t consistent with what he says now (apparently he called the book “sexy”).
@@TheEverGrowingRosey-333 She’s literally promoted her hair care, without prompting, more than she’s addressed the serious issues. She’s focused more on her wardrobe, and has ignored the issues of abuse. She’s made this movie out to be a fun movie to go see with your girlfriends.
Justin bought rights years ago and thought it was sexy then-he’s since consulted with actual experts. Promotion for the movie would go better if he was with the cast. Instead, he’s the one out there talking about the actual issues, even though him doing that while the rest are “TEE HEE! Designer shoes!” is actually making a lot of people NOT want to see it.
@@TheEverGrowingRosey-333she could always when asked about the more frivolous things do what some other women do when being asked really sexist questions like about their diet or wardrobe for a movie while the men get the more existential questions, she could call them out and redirect the conversation to the important topics.
@@NoelleTakestheSkyI will play devils advocate here in the sense that if a bunch of girlfriends go out together it COULD bring awareness to the serious issues of DV. But I agree before I even read this I was thinking I was kinda confused because the trailer very clearly makes it out to be about DV, but the way Blake and Colleen have been talking about it it seems like a chick flick and/or rom-com
@@LZ2MEthe “man” is the one prioritizing the female gaze, dv and making sure women are in control/the ones controlling the depiction- it’s just about Colleen and Blake’s direction not man vs woman
I hate how Blake handles the movie as a fun and unserious experience while it is a terrifying and devastating reality to milions.
Nailed it. 😢
She wanted to be Margot Robbie so bad but sad that her acting career is way behind Margot's
Sad waste
It's genuinely disgusting and disturbing...
she seems shallow in general and gives rich girl "better than you" and "cant be bothered" vibes
It’s painfully obvious that Blake and Ryan wanted this to be a Barbenheimer 2.0. They just wanted to make money and didn’t care about telling a story about an important issue. It sucks that Justin Baldoni was screwed over by them but I’m glad to see that his intentions were in the right place. He seems like a thoughtful, genuine person ❤
Wouldn’t the film selling like another Barbeheimer actually help spread awareness by virtue of the film’s subject matter alone? Sometimes a bit of bait & switch helps get the people who REALLY need to learn about DV in the theater. 🤷🏼♀️
@@TheEverGrowingRosey-333 true but they’re not promoting it like a film about DV. Justin is but Blake is promoting it like a cutesy romcom. People who haven’t read the book or know it’s subject matter are going to be shocked when they find out what the film is really about
@@TheEverGrowingRosey-333Yeah but that would mean the movie is depicting it accurate. And Colleen Hoover is known for romantisizing abusive relationships
Not every movie is a party going experience like how tone deaf can a person be? 🙄 Celebrities being celebrities I guess 😒
I disagree to an extent, the entire world was excited to see Deadpool x Wolverine & I didn't even hear this movie mentioned in the same headline or sentence.
The whole "wear florals' blah blah makes sense to me, because I think all movies will be trying to create the feeling of an "event" a la Barbenheimer - & that's not an innately bad thing imo. It encourages more people to get up & dress up & attend local theatres.
However, all the business of glamourising DA is unacceptable in my books. That's the part I'm unhappy with, but is also the reason I have never given Hoover a dime lol. Her writing is just not for me.
“Wear your florals” is absolutely trying to give the Barbie kind of feel. I wonder if Blake read the material and chose to glamorize it, instead of wanting to make this movie about DV. She wants a lighthearted film, about something serious, covered in florals. Smh
I'm pretty sure that's on the costume designers of this film not the actress. She also needed to be better trained for the interview for the topic of abuse.
Yes, she seems to want her Barbie moment with a film that is more like Oppenheimer (in that it has a far more serious topic)
I’m a gossip girl with 14 years of varying work assisting dv victims…. trying to PROCESS how it’s not about DV at all to Blake
I'm pretty sure Blake said somewhere that she didn't read the book, so yeah... that answers a lot in my opinion
@@RandomSwiftie13The costume designer for the movie was the same costume designer that worked with Blake on Gossip Girl. He said that Blake wanted to use her own clothes for the film.
I feel kind of bad for Justin. He seems so genuine and wanted to treat this subject with compassion, but just got shoved to the side for doing so
Me too, Justin had the tough role of being the director and playing the abusive husband, and he clearly wanted to portray the subject matter with the seriousness it deserves. Instead, Blake and Colleen seem to be intent on marketing it as your typical romantic comedy.
@@trinaq Why are you acting like he didn't cast himself?
@@gleewhoseline198 are you illiterate
@@gleewhoseline198 he was originally just going to direct it but Colleen encouraged him to be the lead as well
No one thinks it’s strange that every little ick of Blake’s is being picked apart and the media backlash toward a film about DV have managed to demonize the leading female star and the female author and put the male lead on a pedestal?
Please wake and grow UP and see how these comments are perpetuating the status quo
crazy how the male director and the one who portrays the abuser is the only one who seems to have a semblance of care and thoughtfulness about the subject matter at hand. i hadn't even thought about how gross it is to be turning such a spectacle for a movie about a woman being abused?? doing shared press between this and deadpool v wolverine feels like a cheap attempt at barbenheimer? but it really isn't the same
I just hope this would be the start of everyone slowly getting tired of ryan reynolds for basing his entire personality as deadpool
@aeoligarlic4024 he wrote a single scene for the film
He is otherwise pretty much uninvolved
Ryan was always that way
If anything that's why that casting was perfect
Movies want to make money
The more money the movie makes the more attention it gets
People legit would have been happy with the film flopping Just to be politically correct
Studios make movies to make as much money as possible if it was charity they would have been giving away free tickets
@@shippendales8543 dick riding film studios is crazy
@@shippendales8543 the fact that he's 'always that way' is concerning, that's just masking the fact that he's a jerk with "omg that's just bc he's a hillarious dork" with his constant jokes
At some point in your life there has to be something genuine about you. Ryan is just as out of touch like his wife
The fact that they changed her age so much just to have Blake Lively play her shows the power imbalance with casting. They wanted someone with star power to help market this film, and when the lead actress is married to one of Hollywood’s most powerful actors, essentially the most influential couple of the year, they’re going to ignore all the red flags for profit. And they’ve already announced a sequel with Justin planning on not returning as director which is unfortunate because he seems to actually care about discussing the issues and trauma of the subject matter, unlike the rest of the cast and the author.
YESSSSS!!! I totally agree!!!
My husband noticed this about the director-he’s telling people to get help if they’re with someone like Ryle, and the rest of the cast is all “TEE HEE! Romance!”
@@NoelleTakestheSkyyes so weird. ESPECIALLY THE AUTHOR NOT TAKING MORE PRIDE IN THE ACTUAL TOPIC? She is the one that wrote it!!! I do not understand at all omg
@@Coco-c5s And it’s apparently based on her own mother’s story.
@@Coco-c5sYou don't want to know her Other books. She Always romantisized the abuse. Ans it Happens in a Lot of her books
I’m team Justin in this. I know everyone is saying “oh so you’re going to believe the man over the whole cast of women who unfollowed him” but yes, I am. Because it’s clear he cared deeply about the subject matter. His previous projects and his podcast show he cares deeply about the stories he tells and how they are told. Blake and Ryan made green lantern :/
Why do I think they want to make Justin a "Bad Guy" disguised in misogyny. Like the same old tale of highschool "if queen bee don't like someone we all don't like someone" 🙄
@@anamikarana984 Exactly! It's a narcissist move to isolate the victim and cast a bunch of flying monkeys
Now now. No need to bring Green Lantern in the conversation. 😂
You can’t have two captains of a ship. He should have been the captain and Blake needed to respect all comes with that. Be a professional, girl
@@Phillygirl2728 honestly that’s a good word to describe how she’s gone about this whole thing - unprofessional.
The fact that she’s a social worker makes this sooooo icky. The teacher student books sounds horrible! I totally understand writing an abusive relationship in a way that romanticizes in a way that shows why people stay, then the perspective shifts after the break up. As someone who experienced this, I also think it would make sense to be conflicted afterwards as it’s common for people to think “was it really that bad?” as an effect of gaslighting and abuse. But that doesn’t sound like what this is.
As a former social worker, I'm not surprised. There's a lot of bad people who enter the field and ruin it for those who actually care.
The one good thing about Coleen Hoover’s popularity as an author is at least no-one is get landed with her as their social worker.
Yeah.. it sounds like she’s just glamorizing pain. Although, this story is her mother’s as well. Her mom was a DV victim when she had her and her sister. So idk, it’s hard to say.
@rahii you're right, I should amend some of what I said. Social work as a field sometimes attracts the wrong kind of people, not "bad" people. And by wrong kind, I mean folks who are looking to heal from their own trauma by trying to heal others. Unfortunately, that doesn't always lead to the best people actually doing the work. Not to mention the whole profession itself is flawed but that's another conversation.
I highly recommend My Dark Vanessa by Kate Elizabeth Russell. Major trigger warning; it’s about a woman who looks back on her “relationship” with her male teacher that began when she was fifteen. Amazing novel and it’s my favorite book. It made me weep and made me feel seen.
A colouring book?!!! ..huh???? ....what would people be colouring in a book about DV? Bruises?
Yeah, color the bruises. What stage of healing are they in? Color it! FUN!
im weak
@@mochiieekim Thankfully, several people pointed out that the novel deals with domestic violence, and there's a lot of scenes that they'd rather not be colouring in. Hoover sheepishly agreed, and the project was recalled.
like seriously, wth!?
@@trinaq It’s still fucking unbelievable that Colleen even thought about a coloring book. How the fuck does she think this story is so fun that it should have a coloring book?
So, Lily Blossom Bloom runs a florists, Atlas is the centre of her world, and Ryle gets easily riled up? Subtle, they are not. Also, at least the ending is better compared to the book, where Lily allows Ryle to coparent their daughter unsupervised, with her logic being that her own father abused her mother, but never Lily herself. In reality, not all abusers operate the same way.
Regarding the characters' names I had the best time introducing Atlas to my friend that went in with no previous knowledge of the book "so this is Atlas, don't be surprised but he actually isn't a cartographer"
And Atlas is a sensitive thinker. Another book has Miles Archer, a pilot. Pilots fly a lot of miles, and an Archer is a type of plane….
add naming her characters to the list of other thing colleen hoover sucks at
She really writes like a 12y.o. WattPad fanfiction writer, huh
Lilly blossom bloom runs a flower shop, Ryle gets easily riled and Atlas supports Lilly's heart/world. Very on the nose 😂
I noticed that a lot of books that talk about abuse whether it’s for teens or adults get adapted more quickly than healthy relationships. After, The Kissing Booth, Fifty Shades of Gray, etc.
I imagine that's the studio men in suits thinking with each of these films that they're finally getting a platform for their stories and their redemption arcs to be told through the villains of these stories. I'm maybe cynical that way though.
And then a film audience expectation that people like pining for the imagined passion and intensity of these love stories more, especially if they're kind of illicit, edgy and wrong.
This stuff happens to most all fiction genres that filter through the hollywood system.
As an author who won’t have abusers end up with their victims, and have the end relationships be healthy and based on actual compatibility and respect, this annoys me to no goddamned end. I went the indie route when, a decade ago, I had an agent interested if I’d turn my male lead into someone like Edward Cullen. Edward was the big abuser people were worried about at the time. Now he’s positively charming. Even Christian Gray is now the one who is preferable to a lot of them abusers in popular books.
@@kamsismith Agreed, it makes me uncomfortable how so many abusive relationships are depicted on screen, as compared to healthy ones. Have you read the books, or seen the movie?
Because people talk about them which helps with the marketing.
Apparently healthy relationships aren't profitable 🙄
The grab your friends wear your florals thingy 🫠🫠
😭😭😭😭
I’m embarrasseddddd
TO GO TO A DV TOPIC MOVIE x'DDD i cant with them
I believe she is in daily drugs
She wanted her Barbie summer moment so bad LMAO
The barbie milking is soooo cringey and embarassing 🤮 girl I'm sorry but Margot and Greta are legends at this. If you wanted that moment, you should have picked a better script. Expecting Greta Gerwig results with a Collen Hoover story is laughable at best.
Greta Gerwig is absolutely horrible, what are you talking about 😂
@@ModernMedusaomg girl how 👀 don’t know much about her but what’s the tea 🍵
@@crystalcrystal1829 She got with her co writer for Barbie while he was married.
@@ModernMedusa she has made 2 good movies
@@l_m_m_ Actually Greta was the lover when her husband was still married. They confirmed on the movie marriage story
in this case, THANK YOU for watching It Ends With Us so we don’t HAVE to 😅😚
Yes indeed because I never will 😅😊
Literally hahahah 😂
I just finished reading the book today, was curious enough to compare it to the movie. Thank you for your input. I will save my hard earned $ and wait for it to come out on tv.
Americas did thoudsands of similar drama movies.... Michael Douglads etc...
By the way if you talk about it in comments, you are promoting the movie.
People think that only solution of so,me ptroblem is writting a comment and that it wills olve everything.
@@helenmartin1092 honestly, you're better off. The film was nothing what you would hope it would be. I was extremely disappointed as I really did actually love this book so much. Save your time and money and definitely wait until it comes to netflix or maybe dvd 😂
The actor that plays the abuser understands more the story than the actor playing the victim
Yes!
Such irony
Oh, I DESPISE COLLEEN. her writing is not good, downright DISGUSTING ("we both laughed at our son's big balls"), and when reading it ends with us, i thought it romanticised the abuse, especially with the end and lily deciding that HER DAUGHTER SHOULD GET TO SEE HER DAD. And allegedly she defended her son who was accused of sa. Won't watch the movie, EVER.
I agree, it's ironic that Colleen used to be a social worker, since she has no real understanding of healthy relationships, and she covered up her own son's scandal. I don't think that I would like her as a person if I ever met her.
i'm so surprised and saddened to hear the fact she hasn't been cancelled
I couldn’t get through the first few pages
@@studygram_ for what?
Thank God you did this review because I am NOT putting my money in Blake Lively's pockets. She's really turned me off with this press tour she's doing. I already initially didn't like her but now, I REALLY don't like her. She's so tone-deaf. She's a huge star with a massive platform and instead of using that to spread awareness, she's promoting hair care products like GIRL READ THE ROOM. And my theory is that the cast is siding with Blake and not Justin is because she's the bigger star. Blake is married to Ryan Reynolds and BFFs with Taylor Swift so yeah, I don't think anyone is going to go against Blake. At least Justin is not shady in his interviews when Blake or Colleen or the rest of the cast are mentioned. He seems really passionate about the message of the film and I appreciate that he's still doing his part to spread awareness. Because he could have easily said "Everyone in the cast especially Blake doesn't like me, so I'll sit this one out. Byeee." But he didn't. He's still choosing to do interviews and promote the film because he knows that domestic violence against women is an important topic to discuss and I applaud Justin for that.
Didn’t she talk about her hair care products because she was explicitly asked?
Completely agree... Shallow.
I was entirely indifferent to her until this movie. Now I absolutely can’t stand her to the point that I’m struggling to not dislike her husband by extension.
@TheEverGrowingRosey-333 sometimes reporters are fed questions to ask, but even if that wasn't a purposeful question from her camp, Blake could have just as easily deflected answering that like she does questions about Justin Baldoni, her co-star and the director of the film.
@@TheEverGrowingRosey-333questions are normally pre approved
It’s so refreshing to see a man talk about serious topics with professionalism. Too bad Blake and Ryan have to make it all about fashion and cringe jokes. Both play the same character in every movie. Basically they play themselves.
'Wear your florals' is a CRAZY way to market this film!
She might as well added to throw in a black eye as well. Smh
@@MMLynnmarie 😭💀
@@MMLynnmarieomg 😭
One thing that annoyed me from the book was that Ryle and Allysa's parents are portrayed as being nice, normal people, yet one of them left a gun lying around in the presence of young children, and it's never called out as being irresponsible. Also, Allysa is well aware of her brother's violent behaviour, yet she encourages his relationship with Lily, without warning her in advance.
I didn’t even think about how Allysa encouraged a relationship with someone she knows is abusive and has anger issues.
if i knew my sister had violent tendencies i would always play interference for potential partners. i love her but i wont let her hurt others because im a good sibling, unlike allysa
She didn’t encourage it at all. In the beginning, she told him to stop flirting with her multiple times and tried to prevent them from getting together but they’re grown adults, quite literally in the movie
@@strivewithmebut she should've atleast properly warned lily instead of just frivolously saying that ryle is a playboy
Oh that pissed me off too. Easily could have shit that down in the beginning. And she was her friend?? 😮
Saying that you used your own wardrobe (or the wardrobe of your model friends) would be weird no matter the role - unless you were playing a model or an actress. Or a strange attempt to say “see regular people, I’m just like you! My clothes are quirky!”
In any case, Blake and Colleen seem like a perfect match.
They do seem like a perfect match and that is not a compliment. Which is a shame I really liked Blake Lively prior.
It’s weird because as an actor she is supposed to be playing someone else, not herself, and the little details like wardrobe and all might even make it seem like her self insert story but oh well can’t wait to see how the RUclipsrs will react to this mess
As a costume designer, this would be my ultimate nightmare. Your name is still in the credit but they ruined your idea and now people think you did not understood the source material. Ffs actors, let people do their job....
Lily is a pretty little rich girl archetype
she buys a shop to open a flower shop after her father dies
isnt shown working e.t.c... so its clearly inheritance money
Movies have become more expensive
Blake probably saved the production a lot of money doing that
since Lilys cloths have to reflect she is someone who comes from money without it being to in your face and it's something Blake achieved well
Blake has also generally dressed herself for years extremely well she has an eye for fashion specifically and she could be a costume designer as a second job
I havent heard Justin say he had an issue with this either
it saved them a lot of money
Lily is a pretty little rich girl archetype
she buys a shop to open a flower shop after her father dies
isnt shown working e.t.c... so its clearly inheritance money
Movies have become more expensive
Blake probably saved the production a lot of money doing that
since Lilys cloths have to reflect she is someone who comes from money without it being to in your face and it's something Blake achieved well
Blake has also generally dressed herself for years extremely well she has an eye for fashion specifically and she could be a costume designer as a second job
I havent heard Justin say he had an issue with this either
it saved them a lot of money
I wish Blake never got her greedy hands on this movie. I wish Justin was given everything to do full justice to the story. CoHo is controversial, but this story meant so much to Justin. And it’s clear no one else cared as much as him, not even the author, apparently.
collen pooper intends for everything to be a cash grab
The book is terrible, what kinda film did y'all think it would be?
@@bees.857 i personally loved the book. as someone who went through something similar, who has complex feelings about it all, it meant quite a lot to me. it's a story that means a lot to many i've spoken to as well.
@@promisemochi MOST women have experienced some sort of violence. But we don't need to read a fictionalized account by a shitty writer. I'm glad that you liked it tho.
@@bees.857 yes but a lot of women do find comfort in this book and that's a good thing. for a lot of us, reading this story was healing.
So Baldoni was making a movie about abuse and Lively was making one about a fashionable florist, got it
THEE blake lively that (almost 10 years ago) stood infront of a bunch of people and talked passioned, almost crying, about child sexual abuse? Is the same chick not talking serious about this movie? Not the same energy held, i seeee.
AND the rest of the cast, at 12:27 do NOT look like they know why they there😂🤣 Like, wtf
I'm pretty sure she also defended Woody Allen when he got those SA allegations too so not really surprised she doesn't take stuff like this seriously
It seems like she just does this stuff for attention instead of actually believing ing in it.
I use to love that moment of Blakes, but looking back... Now it just seems performative of her, motivated by a new image she wanted to go in. She was a new Mother and wanted to make it clear she was one of the "good ones" to be able to sell products easier to other Moms.
Because if I really think about it. I haven't heard anything else about that since 2017. You don't hear about her or Ryan for that matter putting in any effort to constantly bring up that issue to keep it in the light for justice. Why? Maybe because they don't actually care that much...
She was after all a Weinstein girl, i know showbiz is about vanity but she lately came as tone deaf, remember her marketing campaign about her drinks
@@awhimsyreader9015 OH, i need to look that up if its true. I've never heard of that, but MY GOD
i'm just going to say that Lily Blossom Bloom has the same vibes of those characters in wattpad fanfictions named "destiny" "hope" "sunshine" that end up sold by their mother to one direction
I remember reading a funny tumblr post that said the fact that someone paid thousands of dollars to see the name "Lily Blossom Bloom" be in print but "Ebony Darkness Dementia Way" didn't even see a cent
* Ebony Darkness Dementia Raven Way
- I play young Lilly Bloom
- YoungER, younger...
That bit gave me so much cringe. Blake, as a fellow 37 year old woman, accept and embrace your age!
I wonder what she’s credited as, or if Blake made them change that too 😂
Not-so-nice Blake coming out there for a slap down 😕
@@rdpcl how old is lily bloom's actual age?
Never read Colleen Hoover, the times I tried it was terrible. That said, I thought this was a cutesy-meet-cute-funny book, because the movie was being marketed that way, as if it was a rom-com. I was truly surprised to know that this book/movie deals DV. As someone who has seen DV, experienced it, survived it; how they decided to market the movie is truly disheartening, especially when gender based violence is not going down anywhere in the world. We need to explore subjects as they are and talk about them with the depth that they require. More power Justin for continuing to talk about what the movie deals with.
Jesus loves you nd I’m so sorry that happened
Between the romanticisation of abuse, the behind the scenes child-like behaviour and the constant references to other celebrities being made more important than the topic at hand, I find this movie and everything around it in so poor in taste. With a topic as such, I’d expect them to make a movie survivors could identify in; it doesn’t even feel like acting anymore, it feels like I’m watching Blake pursuing a hobby.
The marketing drove me away from any support I could have given to this movie; I just feel sorry for Baldoni, because I think he actually showed some great commitment in trying to take the topic seriously and elevate the original story from a fan fiction of abuse to something of value.
Now more than even I applaud Margot Robbie in Barbie, because in spite of her fame and her position as both lead actress and producer she still managed to give everyone their own space to do their job without causing drifts.
“it feels like I’m watching Blake pursuing a hobby” you are so on point!
I hope you're aware of the fact that Margot Robbie despite being in the powerful position she is in this industry, had no problem working with David O. Russell a known woman abuser(including Amy Adams herself). Rich and especially white women do not care about feminism. Only about themselves.
@@elgarsfaith3194 Margot Robbie worked with David o Russell. She's not the feminist she or yall think she is
Literally this! The entire drama, no matter who is to blame, is ruining the actual important discussion which is DV awareness. The author as well as everyone involved are bringing attention to the film in all the wrong ways that it is diverting the attention from the more important issue. The child like behavior from EVERYONE is just ruining the entire purpose of this film.
So I have a question & please nobody jump down my throat because I am only learning about this movie (plus its controversy Today)… but do you think that maybe they could be promoting it as “fun” could be so that any women (or men) who suffer from DV would “be allowed” by their ab**ive partners to Go See the movie under the pretense that it’s a rom-com?
I understand that this is something that definitely should be talked about more. By best friend was able to finally able to leave her ab**ive husband (I hate being fake, but I had to pretend to like him to his face, all the while helping her find divorce attorneys & always being a place she could stay when things were at their worst) because he had isolated her from EVERYONE ELSE in her life.
I think he would not have “allowed” her to see a movie like this with me if he knew it was about DV.
Again, I have never heard about, nor read this author. And I started down this rabbit hole Today because I was watching Ryan, Hugh & Ryan’s mom “interviewing” the guy actor. I honestly thought it was a rom-com. I am learning A Lot today.
Thank you to anyone who answers back, & I hope you’re having a good day.
Wow. I am kind of stunned. I always thought the romanticization of Ryle was to create a realistic representation of why it is so hard for women to leave their abusers… because they remember the good times, because they see their abuser’s potential, because they have compassion for their abuser’s pain, etc (not even mentioning financial vulnerability or power imbalances yet) helping answer the victim-blaming question “why doesn’t she leave.” I always thought this was thoughtfully executed but the “I write to entertain not to teach” quote is making me question everything about that assumption.
Colleen Hoover is a bad person. Her son got sexually inappropriate with a minor, and she blamed the kid.
It think this phrase is taken out of the context and you are right about the portrayal of narcissists and abusers. I think it’s extremely immature and naive to wish there should be grotesquely evil image of a bad person because in reality it’s not how this is. Her portraying story through rose-colored girly glasses is a great stylistic device because it shows the mindset of a hopeless romantic, a naive idealistic female who is most likely to get into the traps of love-bombing abuser!!
@@dreamchaser7603 Only the author made the abuser/narcissist redeemable and turning abusive only when threatened. I think the director Justin made it more realistic, that we do ignore the redflags that are there from the very beginning.
I quote from “Note from the Author” of the book:
“In the past, I’ve always said I write for entertainment purposes only. I don’t write to educate, persuade, or inform. This book is different. This was not entertainment for me…”
So yeah, this quote is out of context.
For me, reading this book helped me understand one kind of domestic abuse. I know there are several different situations and abusers, but still it portrays how hard leaving is. That’s why I liked it so much
Its ironical that Baldoni, the guy who literally plays the abuser, is the only one talking about the abuse , how its wrong and how important it is to represent the women who have been through it. While the two women , the writer and the actress are going on about flowers and dresses and romance. Its disgusting.
Wow, huge props to Justin always quite literally redirecting the focus of the film to whats really important
it doesnt sit right with me that blake was wearing Britney's iconic versace dress to promote this movie. it was literally the ACTUAL dress that britney wore, and blake herself admitted it should have been in a museum instead of on her body. Britney has been emotionally and financially abused her entire life. blake could have returned the dress to britney when she discovered it so that britney could choose best what to do with it. instead she is co-opting the dress to promote a movie about abuse and slapping a shiny flowery veneer over it. Its more sickening than what kim k did to marilyn's dress and i dont know why more people arent discussing it
Did Britney loan it to Blake? How does she have it? I know literally nothing about this dress, I'm so out of the loop.
This is too much of an emotional response over dresses 😂
Kim K damaged a historical artifact, so Idk if I’d call what Blake is doing worse necessarily maybe just as bad. It depends on how Britney feels about it honestly, has she said anything?
@@cardiganweather she unearthed it randomly in a vintage store, so no Britney didn't have input in Blake wearing it
@@TheEverGrowingRosey-333 yeah maybe I should say equally bad, but personally i consider the 2003 Versace dress a piece of pop culture history too 🤷♀️ Britney posted on insta dancing in a similar dress, saying she's no Blake lively but it'll do. It could have been a sweet moment to reunite Britney w the dress instead of using it for movie promo
Also, the fact that she was inspired (Ew) by the domestic abuse she came across in her job actually makes perfect sense, I don't think people who actually have been through it could write such a terrible book about it.
Apparently her son also SA’d a young woman and she blamed the victims so she hasn’t learned anything
I read&heard it was inspired by her parents
@@leh5593 OK fair
@@danicee Oh dear. She just loves abusive men
ewing too
Justin is the only one really taking the content seriously. I mean, not even the author has the skill to portray such heavy topics in a nuanced, insightful manner, so I’m not in the least surprised that Blake lively and much of the media is taking such a light, “easy-to-market” spin on everything.
Blake Lively was definitely an odd choice. I think someone like Cailee Spaeny would have been able to play both younger and present Lily sooo well.
well thank god cailee spaeny is not in it
@@Juliette5044 Well thank god we had the amazing Plantation couple instead right? 🥴
star power = money
@@finishme-l1nBecause there are no big starlets under 25 for the role of a naive 23 year old?
Usually I’m all for older (not that Blake is old, you know what I mean) women being casted but Lily was 23 in a relationship with a 29 year old man, they got married in like six months… that aspect of the power dynamic was lost.
Lily’s father was abusive to her too, so what does Lily do in the next book? Has Lily push her daughter and Ryle into having a relationship that Ryle doesn’t even seem to want. I guess Mom leaving Dad means Dad won’t be abusive to the kid? That abusers never turn it on the kid to punish the ex for leaving? I honestly question a lot of Colleen’s considering her lack of understanding a lot of things, and how often she romanticizes abuse and has abusers end up “happily” ever after/for now with their victims.
From what I heard, it was partially inspired by Hoover's parents. To the point she dedicates the books to her mother for hiding her father's worst side from her
@@misscarolinasousa Which I kinda think is a shield against criticism. She claims her dad was abusive to both of them, yet she has Lily push for her abusive ex to have part custody of her baby? Shouldn’t she know better that abusers will turn it against the kids when the adult target isn’t there? At best, this who thing where the abuser stops abusing just because he’s a father now is a fantasy outcome. At worst, it’s Colleen not being truthful about some things and being ignorant.
I also have a very hard time seeing her as a social worker when she doesn’t seem to have the ability to identify abusive situations, or can identify them, but sees them as romantic. Claiming “but I was a social worker” could also be a shield against claims of not knowing what she’s talking about. She was a social worker, so she knows better, doncha know.
I don’t like to state that I think someone is lying about having dealt with abuse, but something doesn’t add up with Colleen’s claims considering what she romanticizes.
@@misscarolinasousathat's just a marketing tactic. why can't she actually go to therapy with her mother to deal with this instead of making books like it ends with us that romanticize DV
@@NoelleTakestheSky I agree, the ending of Lily allowing Ryle to have unsupervised custody of their daughter following their divorce just made me uncomfortable. There's no way that I would ever let my abusive ex near our child, as even if they weren't physically abusive, they could still verbally abuse them. Justin Baldoni seems to be the only one who tried to create a nuanced project to make viewers aware of domestic violence, but Blake and Colleen seem intent on turning it into a simple romantic drama, and downplaying the issue.
He doesn’t even need to be a direct danger to the child, he could abuse another woman he brings into the home and have the child witness that. Even seeing her dad smash and break things in a rage would damage her despite not physically hurting. I hate this “he was a bad husband but he’s a good father” BS. Apart of being a good father is being a good partner to the mother of your child.
Honestly, she has not improved on her writing for the past twelve years. I don’t respect her as an author because I fully believe she prefers quantity over quality and doesn’t care if whatever book she writes is good. As long as the book has her name on it, she’ll make money and mostly it’s just a cash grab.
I don’t really believe she cares how good or bad it is but like how hard is it to make an enjoyable book that doesn’t have to use trauma as a plot twist?
I’m seeing more and more writers care about quantity over quality, and since quantity gets more attention on Amazon, those of us who care about quality have to decide if we’re going to prioritize quality or if we want a chance at success. One writer I know puts a new full book out every nine days. How can writers, like me, who give a damn stand a chance these days?
@@NoelleTakestheSky I say we do have a chance. Even though quantity has sold a lot more, I prefer books that are quality because of the time and effort. And the more quality in the book, the more it’ll be remembered and memorable. And if someone like her can get that much attention then so can we, we just don’t know when that’ll show up for us.
I work for a company that distributes books to libraries and I can confirm, Hoover is definitely in for money and therefore writes for quantity. I get sets of books that libraries have ordered for their shelves, and before I knew ANYTHING about Colleen Hoover or her books (I don't have tiktok) or what they were like, I despised her on sheer principle, because I saw her name on So. Many. Books. All with similar names, all with unspecific vague blurbs, all eye-watering pastel cover art. And now I Know what they're about?
Murder. Murder with knives and voodoo dolls.
She's like the second coming of James Patterson, but at least he only (ghost)writes crime/thriller schlock that makes great paper pulp at the local rubbish dump. HE isn't being read by teenagers who'll think his shit is romantically aspirational!
Unpopular opinion: I don't like Blake. She tries a lot to be the cool girl (like the Jlaw from 10 years ago) and makes her be kind of out of touch and a bit cringey. She always has to say I did this, I did that, I'm friends with this person. She's not very humble
I just recently found out about her flop Antebellum website. I'm starting to think that plantation wedding was intentional
That’s not an unpopular opinion, lot of people clearly are making cynical speculations about her regarding this film.
@@TheEverGrowingRosey-333 I know. But I mean, since before this movie
Not very humble indeed! I remember reading an article a few months ago about celebrities visiting Disney, and Blake said that she and her kids visit the parks no less than 20 times a year! I'll have her know that some people are over the *moon* to visit Disney just once in their life. What a snob.
@mkayyy1918 it was the plantation they got married on literally had signs everywhere specifying that it was a plantation there was no way Blake and Ryan couldn't have known
I remember reading the book and hating it. When I heard they were making a movie and with 2 actors that I like, I was definitely disappointed in them :/
Glamorizing abuse and from an author who defended her son who SA’d a woman? Yeah it’s a no from me 🙃
Colleen's son SAed somebody???????? Whoaaa
@@Ana-su3fb yeah Blake does not deserve the Britney movie after this.
@@Model_Roe yeah, a 16 year old apparently and she also victim blamed her so not only she is a horrible author in my opinion, but also a horrible human being
What I didn't know that her son did that! 😮 how awful
@@Ana-su3fb that's terrible not to mention hypocritical for someone whos made millions off of women who have been victims of DV but to your point I have heard a lot of people say her books are trash and she can't write to save her life
I really believe Justin wanted to turn this into a true to live story and he got railroaded. When he directed Five Feet Apart he consulted with Clare Wineland, a RUclipsr who had cystic fibrosis (she has since passed), so he could make the story more true to life. Not saying he does it with every movie but just that it seems he has an established pattern with having more well informed people helping him tell a more well informed story. I didn’t particularly fan girl over Blake lively before but this whole thing is just so completely tone deaf. Promoting your skin care line and telling people to dress in florals to watch a movie about domestic violence is very bad. Especially because parents might take their teens to watch this thinking it’s a rom com. I didn’t know about what Colleen Hoover has said in the past about her writing and honestly it makes me dislike her more if that’s even possible. How can you grow up with that back story, work with people who have been victimised and abused in all kinds of ways and say confidently ‘I write to entertain and play devils advocate with my stories’ when you constantly write about abuse and glorify it? You go viral on TikTok for your books and don’t care that there are impressionable young people who will accept that at face value? Compare that to a book I just finished This Lie Will Kill You by Chelsea Pitcher who covers abuse like this but the character experiencing it comes to realise what’s happening to her and a line her new boyfriend says to her really stood out to me “I will never take your silence as a yes”. Such a simple seeming sentence that has so much impact on the teens it’s aimed at, but CoHo wants to play devils advocate? All I can say is I will happily tell anyone I’ve never read a single one of her books myself!
How can anyone like her books
@@ArMo-ho7ie it's beyond me. It's embarrassing. So many amazing books written by women. Someone in work just told me she's reading this book and I can't view her the same 🤣
Yes these girls who love Colleen Hoover books seriously need therapy. It's not normal
@@lazylurker2842 yeah. I think many women write amazing things but it's always the white woman who romanticises problematic things who gets famous. Two of my classmates read this ass too💀🤢
I was just thinking that. She makes awful books and her writing style is ass. She chooses to write books about the same virgin girl who’s been in love go through awful shit and chooses to glamorize it and try to make it sexy instead of recognizing that this a really horrible situation. And it’s not just one book, it’s literally ALL of her books.
I'm gonna preface this by saying this is gonna sound incredibly pretentious but I hope it does shed some light on things. I think people who are even moderately "intelligent" or "educated" underestimate just how...simple most people are? When critics and educated folk scratch their heads at how such a boring, uninspired, or simple piece of media could be popular, you must understand the average person is, well, simple. Most people hate thinking and hate open ended, unresolved endings. So there's a reason why things like bestseller books are so boring and banal to people who actually critically think.
This was a decent Lifetime movie that somehow landed on the big screen.
My exact thoughts. Or even Hulu or Netflix tbh.
The “somehow” is Blake and Ryan’s celebrity status
Yep
@@EmpressjaelTubi worthy 😂
Blake telling me to wear my florals to see this movie actually made me laugh out loud
As a DV & SA survivor, & knowing the film had strong, explicit scenes depicting DV & SA it made me want to throw up... She says that the films not about being 'just a victim'or 'just a survivor'... she is tone deaf In the reality that some victims of DV/SA suffer unimaginable damage physically, emotionally, psychologically lose their sense of self identity, their passions, hopes, dreams, and aspirations. A part of them dies. For many of us survivors it takes the rest of our lives to heal fully, as it is a continuous process. After you have been destroyed like that, nothing is ever fully quite the same. Blake seems to care more about her wardrobe and superficially approaches such an important topic.
I think having everyone wear floral could have still worked if it was supporting survivors and making awareness
@@pure1387 Well said. The film and the marketing is completely tone deaf.
aw, i feel bad for justin. i love his work and it's clear he was really trying to do this story justice.
This seems like a quick fame and cash grab for everyone involved except Justin Baldoni, glad he got the genuine message of the book and I hope Blake takes it more seriously and stops acting like so childish and start acting more mature because it is a mature movie🤷♀️
Justin did so much to spotlight cystic fibrosis advocate Claire Wineland both during her life and after her death, I will always be so grateful for him and the ways he supported her❤️
Fun fact, a lot of social workers have personality disorders like narcissism and borderline personality disorder and even psychopathy. She gives that energy to me. I’m a social worker and I am jaded by the fake ones I’ve met, like this author (based on what you said in this video).
That's very interesting. Why do you think that is ?
Wow. You sound like a compassionate social worker.
@@bringiton5282, when there's a job where you can have power over ppl, abusers go for that job. I have heard statistics where most female abusers are nurses. Ppl are weary with police because the terrible ones often overshadow the good. We have the priests diddling little boys as jokes.Mine craft RUclipsrs and Colleen Ballinger. It shouldn't be a shocker some social workers are abusers.
Scary
I feel like with the way parasocial relationships work, people have conflated certain ideas of Blake Lively with the ideas that: Blake can help produce a good film, and that she has an upstanding character/opinions.
I think she’s nice (enough), she has a fun relationship with a fun husband, and she’s a fashion icon. These ideas make people feel like Blake is their phone-screen best friend, they can’t really consolidate the idea that maybe she *can* have a bad take on dysfunctional (abusive) relationships.
Thiss
I have not read the books yet, but as a victim of longterm domestic violence this depiction is real.
I loved him, I saw the humanity in him, I considered anger as mental illness, I listened to his pleas of improvement and the small changes, I reframed abuse as mistakes/the intention or excuses behind them. I suppressed memories, and focused only on the positive. He was also very good at sex, because of the submissive/dominant dynamic and was very confident and sex is a form of intimacy when there is not intimacy elsewhere and more vivid due to the trauma bond..
It is thrilling and intoxicating but also slowly destroys you in fight or flight/as your self worth disintegrates.
You confuse that person as your healing/safety while they are destroying you.
I do not agree as a lot of victims do romantacize and maladaptive dream their own relationship. May this show another angle/educate from someone who has gotten out and wishes she found this book sooner possibly to grasp the concept ‘it ends with us’
I do agree with the financial side though. The disposable income was not tasteful..
I just wanted to focus and get my perspective of the main subject out.
However, I am grateful maybe that Blake’s role, and her marketing gets the topic more reach potentially.. I found the movie could have been a lot more triggering without the lighter tones. I still cried, but I also felt some relief from it.
Thank you for offering your perspective. I'm not a Colleen Hoover fan by any means, but I did find it kind of odd that the video acts like the good times in an abusive relationship shouldn't be shown. Like, that's what compels some survivors to stay, because they remember when things are good, and hope the person will be better. I actually think showing both the highs and the abuse is very realistic, and not something you always see in media about dv - which may help people recognize signs
@@loureedpipes I’m grateful a movie can bring it mainstream.. I didn’t know what lovebombing or gaslighting was until I was so far deep, and I say it knowing I was naive and trusted he loved me the same way I did him.
You're so brave !!! There's also no better way I could've described this. I wish u peace and love in life
She's like Stephanie Myer but without cool vampires and stuff
Eh, I think that's an insult to Stephenie Meyer. Yes, they share having a fame that arose from popularized books that weren't actually all that great, and SMeyer certainly has her own array of questionable story choices (i.e. imprinting). But I've also seen praise given towards her depiction of Bella's depression in New Moon, she's created *plenty* of interesting and likable side characters in place of the mains, and plus, I honestly can't see her stooping so low as to write about being turned on by cow poop. 😅
@@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose Haha yeah no you're right, I'm sorry Stephanie. I guess I just meant that Colleen has the toxic parts of Stephanie and none of the talent.
not to mention that setphanie is mormon, so she's a whole other bag of stuff...
I would pick stephanie instead for the world she created. The films might have enhanced it sure, but she gets the credit. Coho though? i don't think so, i will put her in Anna Todd league of writing
@@Sun.Shine- haha yes
I love Justin so much. Glad to see in the clips that he's actually the only one speaking about who the movie is intended for.
I didn’t understand why it’s important to portray abused woman character as younger and confused and immature and financially incapable than her abuser to make the abuse plausible? There are many many self assured, educated, independent women who are genuinely innocent and naive and are taken advantage of and are abused as they continue ignoring glaring red flags in name of love!!! I haven’t read the novel or watched the movie, but it’s a great step to depict that the survivor or victim sees the actual abuse only after coming out of that relation completely!! I have been emotionally abused for 11 years, and all these years I have been thinking that I have been depriving my bf/husband of the love he deserved, while it’s only this year, I realised when I was getting repeated nightmares of the abuse disturbing my sleep that he was extorting everything out of me by manipulating and psychologically threatening me.
i second this!! also, hope you find peace and healing!
Hope you are ok 🙏
Blake just making it about her and the fact that she got a movie despite being incredibly mediocre. How dare she wear Britney's dress at the premiere of this shit movie.
Wow, I didn't expect for Baldoni to be the only one doing a decent job of promoting the film with some tact.
It's ironic that a male is more vocal about female DV victims and the implications of staying in such a relationship while the women are more focused on dresses and designer brands to promote this movie. Blake obviously didn't read the book, but even a little bit of research on DV would have given her a clear perspective. She's just too stubborn to realize this.
Hard agree, tho the usage un male and female instead of men and women is weird for me =).
@@per-c8229who cares
As someone who studied costume design, Blake Lively is my nightmare. An actress comes in and starts putting her own spin on what you've worked so hard curating. Then its not only subpar but makes NO SENSE.
There is this idea that sometimes the most beautiful women in the world have the most atrocious personal style, because they rely on their natural beauty. Blake Lively is like textbook definition of that
I honestly thought she was secretely pregnant in the movie because the outfits are so baggy and out of place 💀
I have mixed feelings about taboo romances in fiction but hearing that Colleen Hoover used to be a social worker whilst rationalizing abuse in her novels is uh... Well, let's just say I'm glad she only handles these subjects in fiction now
11:44, nobody does method dressing like Zendaya. Fax no printer. Margo did it well for Barbie, but Z has been doing it for Dune 1 n 2, spider-man, and Challengers.
Yes. And Zendaya absolutely rocks it every time. I just love her style.
7:05 not the james charles jumpscare
the way i looked at the comments the moment it happebed 😭😭🙂↕️
HI sIsTeRs!!!
@@jessjess23brooks89AHHHH
Its so sad for Justin how this has all turned out. Justin is actually a great guy with a great podcast (its called "Man Enough" - seriously, man or woman - check it out!!!!) and he very clearly cares about the issue of DV and wanted to create something that would force abusers to see themselves portrayed... but instead we are wearing florals for a flower shop... groundbreaking
Yeah…Justin is the only person who seems to understand the gravity of the story they’re telling 😬
Few points to make. 1. Abuse situations are not all bad. Showing positives aspects of a relationship (when it is good) is to explore how difficult it is to leave when there are good moments. The abuse IS bad, there is no question there.
2. Coleen Hoover was inspired to write this story because of the abuse between her Mother and Father. Where the first instance is directly tied to her mother’s first experience.
3. The age up, as Hoover stated, is to fix the error of having a 30 year old neurosurgeon.
4. My own two cents, higher age doesn’t mean you’ll spot the red flags, because all flags look the same when wearing rose colored glasses.
Everything else you said, I agree with.
Thank God your reviewing it because I'm sure as hell not watching it.
Exactly, I just said something similar. Sounds terrible
Before watching this, I knew nothing about the premise of this movie. I assumed, based on all of my RUclips ads, that it was a simple fun romantic summer movie. Now that I know what it's really about it makes their marketing approach really icky.
in the book lily straight up asks ryle what he'd do if her daughter came home and told him that his boyfriend beat her up... and she still allows him to coparent
Bruh, that quote about the reader "rooting" for a student/teacher relationship makes me intentional about avoiding Hoover like the PLAGUE even more than I already have.
I went with some friends who wanted to see it. The first act was incredibly boring 😢 Atlas was pretty good, and I enjoyed the acting from the younger versions of Atlas and Lily. I hated that Ryle’s hand injury didn’t have any consequences for his huge surgery! I thought that was very silly. I thought the movie was a 5/10. Definitely needed more editing. And less lip biting from Blake 😅
Justin Baldoni never fails to impress me. He has such self-awareness and dignity.
girl really said "wear your florals!!" like it's a party...
blake lively treating a press tour for a movie about DV as if it's her barbie movie moment is not it...
I really don't know the author nor the book. But.....I think the author.....uses her past experience as a social worker as reader inserts. I find that wrong.
Imagine a fanfic about your abuse😢
So traumatizing, I can't imagine!
Yeah her books are pretty bad there all glorified abuse except for It Ends With Us and even that one still glorified abuse from what i've heard
9:15 🤢🤣🤣🤢🤣 um now we cant say " young" ...calling someone young can mean like high school and younger.....relax 🫣😭 trying to correct her SO hard 🥴🥴 actors / actresses say this ALL the time like " young Anna & Elsa" on broadway
I haven't watched the movie because duh I'm not putting myself through that trash again, but when I saw Justin Baldoni was cast, I was relieved because he's the perfect person to handle this topic with respect and care. Super disappointing to see the women on this project disregarding subject matter entirely, and honestly just really weird.
I tried reading the book but put it down after a few chapters.. wasn't for me or whatever. Went to watch the movie with a friend - I did enjoy it but everything felt rushed. It was hard trying to explain to my friend that domestic violence scenes felt rushed haha. But, it was the case for me. There is a heaviness with a topic like that which I hoped they would lean into more, maybe don't have to show him hurting her, but showing her hurting after was important to the emotions of the film and missed.
I wouldn't have watched it anyways but thank you for the sacrifice!
There's something psychologically wrong with Colleen Hoover
i mean, as someone who has been in a psychologically abusive relationship i don't think that showing that initial attractiveness of the abuser is inherently wrong, there's a reason we start a relationship with them, yk? i think it's very important how you follow it up with the rest of the story tho
0:27 WAIT WHAT?! THEY ARE IN THIS?!
Literally
Can't believe Colleen ruined watching Blake Lively for me... I hate her books and already knew this movie was gonna be trash. Blake needed way more media training for the interview about the topic of abuse. She is talking about literally anything else and avoiding the actual topic for some reason...is it hard to talk about it for her? Or she just is not educated about it so she is avoiding it at all cost? Idk what's going on with her. She is usually really cool during interviews and is very well spoken about her other films.
Honestly, I don’t dislike the book as much as I should. After years of teaching literature at an all-girls high school during the rise in popularity of 50 Shades of Grey, I appreciate that this book at least acknowledges abuse as a negative thing. It is flawed, tone-deaf, and still quite toxic, but not as bad in comparison. However, the movie's PR has been awful and extremely insensitive. For years, I’ve rolled my eyes at Blake Lively’s performative attitude alongside Ryan Reynolds, and finally, people are feeling as annoyed as I have been. Yes, you can be irreverent and lighthearted, but there’s a time and place for everything.
I do think there is a band wagon effect that happened with the hate around CH and this book in particular. I understand why some people probably have a deep reaction to this book, I've always been confused as to what I was missing, because I just think it's a silly book with problematic ways of dealing with the sensitive topic it is tackling. I do appreciate the attempt at showing DV as a negative and the nuance that exists for those involved. Also the characters have ridiculous names haha. I dunno, I might just be jaded lol, but to me her writing is as sub par as plenty of other romance writers that do not get the level of hate Colleen does. The scrutiny probably comes from the amount of books she has published and the level of fame she has reached. With that comes more spotlight on her personal life (Son who allegedly SA'd someone) and where her inspiration comes from etc. It's just like with ACOTAR. They're fun books with dumb moments and inconsistencies but I am not offended personally by them being just what they are.
Absolutely this!! There are plenty of people-including DV survivors-that enjoy choosing to read about abusive, toxic, and unhealthy relationships in fiction. Those people should be afforded the dignity of getting to knowingly choose what they’re reading. It’s so gross how the marketing for the movie was super cutesy and rom-commy when it should’ve been more like a dramatic, emotional thriller.
Either way, I have much more respect for a work that says “this is toxic and unhealthy! But still fun to read about because it’s not real!” over “what do you mean toxic? She fixed him! It’s all super healthy and okay now don’t worry abt it!”
I'm not really surprised by Blake's behavior because this is the same Blake Lively who defended Woody Allen when he received SA allegations even going as far as calling him "empowering"
@@awhimsyreader9015 Ooff well that sucks!
I know Ryan Reynolds was only mentioned in passing, but I'm just gonna say I'd love a video about his promo for Deadpool has largely consisted of him essentially 'photobombing' everything and its lowkey getting tiring. They really ham up his likeable personality, but its so obviously just him promoting his Marvel movie than him being social butterfly, imho, that seeing him everywhere is starting to annoy me lol
I haven’t even seen him in anything other than a Coke commercial 😂
And I should be getting ad targeting for Marvel since that’s all I consume.
Yeah, watching the Deadpool promotion has made me dislike him because the persona he’s putting on for the press has simply gotten too much for me and now I’m just annoyed by him lol
That make a lot of sense. At the end of the day, they're just promoting a movie. They want people to go see it so they're just finding ways to do so. Capitalizing on sympathy is one of those ways but you don't have to like the personality of an actor to watch their movie. It can help but in the end, the movie itself, the acting, the cinematography, the story, the dialogues, the costumes matter more than the actors themselves. Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds are trying to curate a very sympathetic image of themselves to the public to make money.
It's such a shame, I think the story could've been such a powerful message if they were all passionate to raise awareness. It genuinely could've worked so well to have this man on a pedestal only to pull out the rug underneath us
Based on this video analysis, the storyline of the film, and the way Blake Lively is marketing the movie. I would say that Blake is exactly Colleen Hoover's target demographic. Not wanting anything educational, just entertaining.... No shade.🌼💛
The promotion is doing extremely well 🤷🏻♂️ movies selling very well most people who go seem to enjoy the film.
I keep hearing about people talking about the drama regarding this movie. I knew it wouldn’t be a good movie so I didn’t watch it. Thank you for watching it so that I don’t have to.
Blake and Ryan have such a sinister energy as a couple....
well they got married on a plantation...
I think they’re likely pronatalists, as they’ve had 4 kids (I believe Blake said in an interview that she’s been nonstop pregnant or breasfeeding for years now? She’s been a mom since she was like 25, that’s early). She’s having to squeeze in acting gigs between pregnancies, which cannot be easy. All to support his obsession with getting her pregnant, which he also jokes about loving doing.
and sounds like they have no…well, HE has no plans of stopping while also making quirky complaints about how overwhelming it is to be covered in & surrounded by screaming kids. As if they don’t have tons of Nannies to choose from.
They give Muskrat vibes (as in Elon) and I think Reynolds, who is still beloved by many, is buying up companies left and right, to support his ever-expanding brood to “save the planet by repopulating it”. With his seed, of course. I dunno, I used to enjoy his humor but kinda over it now, and his whole business tycoon era, including him forcing himself into the film production and promo, which wasn’t as heavily mentioned here but Blake really defended it in interviews. Just…no.
Exactly! People who can do that actively knowing the history of such a place are not good people. @@stargirIll
@@Liolia22 That may be so!
However, 25 is a pretty typical age to have your first child.
I can't stand Ryan Reynolds. He's always given me a creepy vibe.
can we also talk about how, in the books, atlas was much older than lily (who was a minor when they first met) and they had a romantic relationship? atlas leaves to boston and comes back to sleep with lily on her 16th birthday, which is, weirdly, the legal age of consent in the state lily lived in. can we not glorify grooming by shipping her with atlas?
Is that Atlas was doing? We only got to see Atlas and Lily's relationship through Lily's teenage diaries.
They left that out of the movie completely (makes sense why)
@@Smspodcast_ thanks for that! i didn't hear that being covered in the video so just wanted to make sure :)
I'm really thankful that creators are talking about this because a lot of DV survivors might go watch it unaware and have panic attacks at the movie
10:22 YES like if you're not well off, you buy staple pieces and style around them
I don’t think the story glamourizes abuse… I strongly believe it actually depicts abuse as it really happens. You see: as a victim myself and the daughter of a victim, I know abusers don’t come as evil. They rather appear as charming, incredible people and the realization of what’s really happening doesn’t come so easy. Also nobody hates the abuser right away… we struggle to believe it’s actually abuse and then we struggle with the feelings and the good moments we had with that person… so from where I stand she did a very accurate job on showing what we face inour everyday lives as victims and the struggles to 1) believe what’s happening for what it is and 2) letting go of the love, the good moments and all the great qualities that person has.
I still miss so much of my ex husband! I do have clarity now about what I have been through but still: I miss some of the qualities he has tha I couldn’t find in anyone else.
I wish domestic violence were as simple as people who don’t know it from experience talk about it: There’s a bad person who only makes your life miserable and you just run away for your life…. I just Wish!
Btw: people who are victims of DV don’t just walk around crying and being depressed. We have very successful lives and we don’t get offended by floral attire haha. I really don’t like the writing on the book because it strikes me as some low budget soap opera… So I’m far from judging this novel a literary treasure. But, people, chill. Every experience is unique and if you read the very last considerations of the author in the book you know she based the story on her parents’ experience. If you feel like the movie is supposed to Documentary on the suffering of defenseless women please read the book again!
Well said
I’ve read the book also and I really enjoyed the movie! One thing you mentioned was that it was weird that Atlas and lily still have feelings for each other after 20+ years. I think it’s not that they still have feelings for each other but they went through something very strong and traumatic together, so I don’t think you can forget someone like that. I think when they see each other it’s more like all those feelings came back and it’s more like “holy crap I’d never thought I’d see you again, which also brings back insane emotions.”
I’ve heard some people say that her repeated line of “she’s more than this one thing that happened to her” was helpful, and that’s great, but since that’s ALL she’ll say about it, it really feels like a dismissal. Like a “get over it, boss babe!”
As a social worker who works with domestic abusers I am shocked that the author claims to have any experience in this field!
Watched the movie today and it was a typical romcom love triangle movie but with weird violence in it. Not really strong psychological abuse first, then full-on physical abuse and at the end, when she breaks up with him (actually the most dangerous moment for victims!), he just accepts it.
If you are really a victim of abuse, read "why does he do that?"!
No one gets violent because he accidentally killed his brother as a child...
Excellent review! As a domestic violence survivor I appreciate that you point out how this movie romanticizes violence! I was 18 with a man who was 10 yrs older than me the age difference absolutely makes a huge difference in the way you carry yourself and respond to your abuser!! Took me 6 yrs to get scape this situation and when I did I had to leave the state and move several times!! My sister watched the movie and told me to stay miles away from it, said it was a joke and was the kind of movie that will make young girls think this is so romantic and even strive for relationships where they’re over powered by abusive men!! I was left for dead on my kitchen floor, I left for a couple of days and was right back as soon as he convinced how everything was going to be perfect and beautiful, this is very serious and cannot be turned into a romantic comedy!! Thank you for bringing attention to this!
- A DV survivor