Live TV Vegan debate does NOT go as I expected…
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That lady completely avoided what Veganism really is and kept calling it a diet or a fad.
It is a diet and fad. An unhealthy diet and goofy fad to be more accurate. The vegan ideology is more silly than Hinduism
@@GarudaLegends
Still doing the rounds?
How many vegan accounts are you subbed to?
@@JB.zero.zero.1 he's so lonely . . . . . . . .
An active listener she is definetely not 😂
Because no one cares about his little argument. A healthier diet might be more debatable than worrying about animal’s feelings. lol T-Bone steak is the best!
The host tried being vegan but it wasnt for her. Animal compassion is not for her. And she completley missed the fact that veganism isnt a diet
Seemed pretty clear that compassion is an alien emotion to her.
@@garibaldi54 she certainly fullfilled the “airhead” classification
I think she could get fired if she didn't miss the point.
Just WOW 😊
Whatever Joey said went completely over her head, she had an agenda just kept spouting off, couldn't have a real conversation with her
The reporter said she went vegan...for a few days. Does that really even qualify as an attempt? And even just dismissing it so casually - "not for me", as if the deep ethical implications weren't just presented to her.
"I did try it once and that was for health". I think she's paid to misconstrue the point, how could you even get a job at TV if you were this daft.
A few days is just about the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Of course nothing happened. It was two fucking days.
Airhead is a nice word for her. Joey literally just explained to her a few minutes before that veganism is not a diet. You don't try veganism for a few days, you either agree with the philosophy and align your actions or not.
Yeah, this is one of the biggest problems AR Activists have. The word 'Vegan'
If 1000 people say confidently that the word 'Vegan' means eating plant food for our personal health or for the environment, for every 1 that says "But it's not about your health or our environment it's about animal rights" Then it's really going to be an almost impossible road.
That's why I'm starting to use the 'V' word a lot less and starting to use 'Sentientist' to describe my chosen lifestyle.
A sentientist is by definition an anti-speciesist and a vegan, but the word people will see and hear is SENTIENTist. ALL ABOUT SENTIENT BEINGS.
With that message up-front and clear, sure we can then go on to talk about what we choose to eat, and why.
The word 'Vegan' is just too damaged and corrupted now. I think as long as we remain determined to stick with the word 'Vegan' sadly we will continue to get swamped, by misunderstanding and corrupted distorted meanings of the word.
@@TuftyVFTA It wouldn't matter what the word is, because the lable is irrelevant, only the animals matter, lables mean nothing to them.
Not every day that you see the reporter being more biased and dishonest than the debate opponent
Yeah, true. That was something new after years of watching those debates from Joey, Ed, etc.
This is GB News, it’s a right wing “news” channel. Its purpose is to stir up hate and anger in Conservatives. Veganism is seen as soft and weak so the right wing hate it.
Sadly on GB"N" you do see it every day
@@kasroaSo you watch GB news everyday?
@@turtleman8968 Sensory pleasure is obviously not a great argument to harm others.
"I went vegan for a few days"
She actually said that. She'd be more honest if she said she is vegan when she's not eating. Would go to show how little she understands the ideology.
Same way with those who say "I went on a 3 day detox, really cleaned me out".
Not as bad as the people who go from a junk food diet to a carnivore diet and write comments like, “I will be glad when oxalate shedding is over from all the spinach and kale I have eaten”. Yeah right, a) it’s not a thing AND b) you haven’t eaten kale, ever (you might have eaten a spinach leaf in a restaurant salad garnish by accident, once)
Did she even listen to the debate? Unbelievable.
Lol. Love that comparison! “I am compassionate between the hours of 10 pm and 6 am.”
LOL. Fake vegans and their pretentious diet fads. If she watched videos of what she's complicit in funding, she may have made the association and then not gone against her own morals. Minus respect for such shite uninformed choices...
Joey has to be one of the most well spoken vegan activists ever.
J-boy doesn't impress me at all.
@@Planet-BeesYou pretend to care so much about bees but you consume honey.
@@ARKSURVIVOR879 My channel name was inspired by the nonsense of no 'Planet B'. Have consumed no more than a tablespoon of honey in ~5yrs.
@@Planet-Bees Oh
Clearly you've never met earthling Ed 😂
the news anchor seems so air headed, kept on trying to bring it back to health rather than focusing on the animals; she had her script and was not willing to deviate or improvise into the conversation actually happening. The guest was compassionate, and I would not be surprised if they are vegan within a couple years
It's never too late but couldn't be soon enough as well!
Health does come before animals though. That's just part of life.
@@JAWS-dn8fm Google scholar search for keywords plant based diet. Your health will be just fine on a plant based diet. It'll actually better :)
She works for GB News. What do you expect?
@@Richard482 And what's your favourite? The BBC!🤣
Enjoyed that one. That stupid presenter girl had the cheek at the end to say she went vegan for health after Joey explained what veganism is.
Stupid because her opinion differs from yours? I'm going to take a punt, that you're a millenial?
And Joey’s little argument is exactly why we will never agreed with veganism. lol bacon cheeseburger so good
@@ricky800425 Agreed, a vegan bacon cheeseburger is fantastic! We have this burger joint here in Sweden, 'Bastard Burgers' who make the best burgers me and my friends have ever tried. The pro? They veganised their entire meat menu with the same kind of options, a "Los Angeles" and a "Beyond Los Angeles" contains the same kind of flavor profile and they're fantastic.
I'll however disagree with your statement about his argument, I think it's fantastic because he's not only right, it can't really be beaten by anything other than an acknowledgement of ones vile behavior.
@@ricky800425 I'm sure you didn't like hearing the truth.
She's reading an autocue
Steve, what a chap! What a breath of fresh air to have someone on the "opposing" side who's compassionate, humble, and open minded!👏
Right? It's like we're in some bizarre reality where many of these usually traditionalist types are starting to see the moral argument as the sensible one. I'm no fan of the general politics and culture wars nonsense with GB News, but if more people on that side start viewing vegan ethics as the norm--as all of society, left and right--does when it comes to opposing slavery and murder, then that's great news. Power to them on that front.
Shame carnivors can't say the same.
@@ordohereticus3427exactly, came here after seeing the piers morgan one was a total fresh breath of air
I've raised 3 healthy vegans, 17, 16 & 4... no vitamin deficiencies, not over or under weight and the most compassionate, loving humans 💚🌱
So you and your family love killing all the little animals just not the big ones and you love destroying the planet with all the chemicals that are used to grow these plants that's nice to know
Your choice or theirs?
@@Cassidy127 theirs. They were all given the option...
@@Cassidy127as if you as a parent don't have the responsibility and duty to make important decisions such as dietary or moral ones in this case for your children😂
@@MrsAxlRose1000very well and congratulations for your children, i just want to say if they had chosen to eat meat you shouldn't have accepted that
Your responses and arguments were really well spoken and compelling. I feel blessed that we have you fighting for veganism. I wish the majority of on screen interviews were like this! So refreshing. Thanks from the bottom of my heart Joey.
Wish these conversations were happening over here in the United States. It’s awesome they keep inviting you back. The animals deserve a unwavering voice like Joeys.
Right? I feel so isolated from the vegan action. UK, Australia and western Europe and so incredibly vegan friendly. Both Europe and Australia even have their own Vegan Campout festivals. America could never. We are basically 3rd world on this subject and it really makes me want to move overseas.
@@cartergirl3of3 you should check out the VegFests they hold every year in Pennsylvania. There are more festivals in a few other states on the American vegan website.
Britain had a head start with the BSE mad cow disease experience. Then the multiple cullings of (not infected) chickens on farms because of bird flu threats. I think these were some wake up calls for us in Europe.
Anyone new to Joey's activism, please note that, this man has actual experience on farms and slaughterhouses. He has seen and experienced first hand the kind of stuff most would turn away from. His recent investigation into a large multi location turkey/chicken/duck producer, of which probably supplied your own xmas turkey, was a true shocker. His experience on the farms, and discussing the lack of welfare with major supermarkets was indeed something that needed to be done., and I think we all should be thankful for anyone who exposes such animal horrors. How would we have known about the terrible suffering of these "xmas birds" if Joey had not done this investigation? Joey has his own RUclips channel and is on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter.. I would urge anyone who is interested in making a stand against the abuse and suffering encountered by these animals and birds, to have a look. He walks the walk as they say.
He broke the law. He's a career criminal.
Thank you for highlighting this❤❤. I'll be watching more of his content soon. You're correct, he is walking the walk and doing a great job at talking the talk, too! There's clear strength in his passion and we all could use more role-models like him. Meat & dairy have had their go and it's past time to live a thoroughly compassionate life for everybody. I keep focusing on: Good Change Is Happening Very Fast! 🩵💚🐷🐄🐃🐔🐥🐭🐰🐓🐀🦌🐎
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 law is a funny old concept especially if when exposing such cruelty and bad practice its you who can be held accountable for it. Have you ever considered how law shifts depending on the times? Maybe we are just a few fascist twist and turns away from laws that would make you and i a criminal for things we do in our lives 😉
@@pacmanmcgavin7034or are you the sort of guy who's happy to wear the boot and distribute it?
It's never been against the law to eat our species specific diet.
Game, set, and match.@@bugsthompson
Steve was an absolute gem. It's a shame the interviewer seemed to be on another page half the time.
It sounds a lot like her network had specific questions they wanted her to ask as a lot of them seemed out of place
He knows that as soon as he sees what is really happening he will not be able to continue the way he has. I hope his partner sees this and gives a little push.
Surprising. Steve sounds like the kinda guy that could easily head down the route to veganism with a little more info.
Well done Joey, even getting applause from the opposition in this debate/interview. That’s wild. Love it 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Nice to see a video where the opponent isn't an insecure troll with a financial bias towards the meat industry. So they're actually willing to listen to the argument.
I think it is an important reality point too.
People think vegan meat is disgusting, because there are a lot of disgusting vegan meat products.
I try everything, the number of products I will go back and buy again is a tiny tiny minority.
Humans have a strong motivation not to ditch an addiction or a long held belief.
One bad taste is often enough to put them off trying.
I have far more time for someone honest and who acknowledges the argument and admits they aren't changing because they like the taste and changing is all a bit difficult. Much better than someone who tries to hide behind discredited arguments and prejudice.
Yawn. Mankind is onivorous, stunad.
Vegan meat is disgusting. It's not actuallly meat, it's jsut chemicals. I will not consume it.@@jgreen9361
What discredited arguments?@@hugheskevi
I say I’m vegan for the animals and plant-based for health. People do need to eat appropriately by including an array of whole grains, legumes, vegetables, and fruits daily, along with Vitamin B12. The most ethical diet happens to also be the healthiest. Joey did excellent during this interview / debate. 👍🏽
When I do outreach, I leave off the synthetic supplement recommendations because it only confuses non-vegans. Why would they need a pill just because they stopped eating meat? It makes no sense. My whole foods plant-based diet of soaked & home-cooked lentils, peas & beans, fruits, dark leafy greens, vegetables is loaded with real B vitamins and every single nutrient, and it supplies plenty of natural & healthy beneficial gut bacteria.
B12 pills aren't even in the B-complex group, they're not even a vitamin, they're just genetically engineered bacteria made in drug labs. If you're wondering why there's so much fearmongering about B12 the past couple decades it's because it's a highly lucrative business and fear sells.
plant based isn't healthy you been brainwashed plants are full of poisons
and they dont give us the full ratio of what we need that's why vegans have to supplement
Nutritional yeast FTW🙌
That's the same as everyone though - everyone needs to eat appropriately otherwise they'll experience adverse health consequences.
Junk food is still plant based. You mean whole foods.
Joey, Thank you for being the voice of good reason for the animals and the vegan community. ❤✊
Well done Joey! You kept your composure and were so well spoken! When I first became vegan I felt so alone and hopeless, being in the minority. Then one day a vegan on Reddit said, “everyone on Earth is vegan, some just don’t know it yet”. I felt some hope. I’ve been vegan for 6 months and I couldn’t believe my ears when a friend, who is a major carnivore, said they’ve been considering giving up meat because of my example. We can make a difference.
That is incredible, I'm glad you shared that part of your story. I've felt alone sometimes but it's good to remember all of the lives on your side. We have billions and billions of animals on the forefront of our mind and spirit and that helps me to not worry. It's so incredible that your friend is considering the shift as well - you're doing so good! I always hope I'm inspiring change that I just may not see. The store purchases, the dinner choices, etc. These seeds we sow, will some day soon, grow.
There is hope for steve. Steve actually knows what humility is! Humility is the first step and requirement for change to even be possible!
Nothing to be humiliated about u condescending prick !!
Joey: "Veganism is not a diet, it is not for losing weight". Journalist: Steve, should we all quit the meat in order to shed a few of those Cisthmas new year pounds 🥴🥴🥴🥴
Yeah, just cause he says it, doesn't make it gospel, she obviously didn't agree, whats your point ???
She ridiculous lmao
@@fieldofreeds8581 your ridiculous lmfao
you're* @@chaos0670
The host is a total narcissist. She just couldn't comprehend that anyone would think about anything other than their own enjoyment or appearance
Amazing work you are doing Joey, really inspirational. The vegan debates are slowly changing - in a year or two they will be referring to the person you are debating as extreme rather than you. Please keep doing what you're doing.
Well done Joey. You articulated yourself well and came across great. Hopefully Steve will be a future vegan who knows!
That woman is the airhead he was describing
That presenter just refused to understand the simple message of ethics. She kept going back to diet. Why is the principle so difficult for some?
That presenter was awful. What a disgusting human. Well done Joey! So good how you get the message across. Watching your videos has helped me talk about veganism to people who ask me and they thank me for the friendly info. Was really nice to see some respect from a meat eater too. Hopefully he will watch your videos and make changes. 🌱
Yeah thats why she's on that awful channel.
I don't know anything about her but she seemed fine in this interview. Just asking questions as is her job.
@@plutoreturns9630 Yes her job being to promote the views of the channel, hence why she blatantly ignored all the logical points Joey made.
She is a bit of an air head…. You can tell…… if food didn’t come ready prepared she would struggle to survive.
@@garibaldi54why she should accept his funny points when we just need to make sure people continue loving meats. I LOVE STEAKS!
Brilliant Joey, all of it. So nice to hear someone publicly explain the difference between the vegan philosophy and a plant based diet.
Yes! Watch Dominion Steve and then you’ll never want to eat another animal again!
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Wrong, not all animals live a life he describes and not all are killed the way he mentions. It's a shame non of u vegans mention this though as that doesn't suit your argument does it !
@@chaos0670 Our argument is that there’s no humane way to slaughter someone who doesn’t want to die for a ‘product’ that we don’t need. So don’t do it.
Looking sharp Joey.
Loved your recent talk at Oxford Union.
He showed his career criminal credentials.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034
Change the record.
You are so boring and predictable Mr Perfect.
Ever heard of forgiveness.
What have you done that I need to forgive?@@JB.zero.zero.1
All vegans eat a plant based diet, not everyone who eats a plant based diet is vegan. Its a very important distinction people need to understand.
This is the first debate on tv I’ve seen where the non vegan wasn’t being a complete ass , wish more were like this it was refreshing
Thank you Joey for everything you do.
The less Joey gets to talk the more awesome the video is
@@maxmcintyre5068 says the troll
@@maxmcintyre5068maximillionsofdeadanimals I feel the same about you in the comments section 😂
The last time I was this early we could still get B12 from dirty vegetables.
Haha.....absolutely, yes.
haha! But seriously we never needed to eat dirt or drink swamp water, humans make beneficial bacteria in our own intestines just like animals do. It's part of our immune system -- we just need to keep the gut microbiome healthy with plant-based whole foods (legumes, fruits, dark leafy) & stay away from antibiotic drugs.
The reporter was so typical, you rightly stated veganism is NOT a diet but and ethical stance against animal exploitation, yet she kept saying it was a diet, even at the end, she said she tried veganism for a week, NO SHE DID NOT, she maybe ate plant based for a week but that's NOT vegan. The way I address people talking about youtubers who go back to eating animal flesh is that they were never vegan they simply ate plant based which is a diet, and like many diets they tend to fail. People who go vegan for the animals and ethics do not go back to eating animals. I have been an ethical vegan since January 1, 2010 so I am in my 15th year as an ethical vegan, vegan for life! Joey and Ed are great voices for veganism, taking the torch from Gary Yourofsky!
Wow this was amazing, it serves as a good reminder not to get too off the rails just because someone says they enjoy the taste of flesh. Stay on track, speak for the animals. You did great sticking to the headline too making sure to reiterate that a vegan diet is healthful for all stages of life. NAILED IT! Great Job!
yes, calling someone a heartless monster just for eating meat is a surefire way to turn them far off from wanting to become vegan
Why do they always talk about the animals we eat, there’s never any talk about rodent mills used to supply pet shops with hamsters and mice and sell unsuitable cages and products. Animals like them are just being ignored, is it because they can’t bash people round the head with it or they don’t care about all animals?
@@emmajanewatts4388 It is about scale of harm. 2% of people own a hamster or guinea pig. 95% of people eat meat every day and several times a day. If people would wake up to harm of eating animals then they wake up to other harms of animals we cause.
Lets go Steve. You got this mate! Watch all the footage you can and if possible go to vigils and see for yourself. You're a good man and I'm sure you'll change your mind and habits once you learn about the meat industry.
Thanks Joey !
Well done!
Dude. You leveled up SO MUCH in the way you carry your arguments. No longer do I see someone possessed by anger and passion--trying to create guilt and shame in others. You speak facts. You're persuasive af. I'm so proud to see this beacon of light you've become.
I still haven’t mentally recovered from the turkey farm video 😢 I watched it on 23rd of December and it made me feel so much hatred that I had nightmares in Christmas Eve, woke up and sobbed with heart pains from sadness and anger the next morning, we don’t eat any meat, I still want to know why the BBC hasn’t picked up on it.
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@@GarudaLegends BER-MU-DA, BER-MU-DA.
I so agree with you. And those big supermarkets and all the accreditations they boast of!!! The Red Tractor Assured labels and RSPCA Assured labels. Its Rubbish!. I watched Hogwood too, about the terrible sickening abuse the thousands of pigs endured! (The farms closed after it was all exposed). But Hogwood on RUclips is another big expose of how the system and all the inspectors rally together to keep things well hidden from the public. The Hogwood documentary took a long while to make and the pig farm concerned supplied TESCO (who refused to believe or acknowledge any of the undercover investigation, even though it was actual film footage!) I remember, on a facebook posts, I commented that the police were complicit by not arresting those farmers and farm hands who were responsible for the suffering, and a policeman did reply to me on Messenger and told how he had been active in numerous other problems with farm animals, which he had to involve RSPCA ... Until people start digging, they will never know the full extent. Sainsbury's shocked me when they said they would take onboard the undercover investigations which were done on these bird farms a few years back - back have, it seems, STILL been getting their turkeys from this same supplier, which Joey exposed in December!!! They all have no shame. Its a terrible cruel industry which people are being brainwashed into believing is some caring, humane, welfare assured farm! Far from it. I am sure you will find strength to campaign for a better world for animals. You haven't said you are vegan, but your compassion sounds like you are a true animal lover and would want to do what is right by them. I agree - The BBC needs to do another farming expose. They did it with cows and dairy, now we need to see the other farmed animals and what really goes on.
@@GarudaLegends what’s wrong with you? Why would you find someone else’s pain amusing?
@@AngelicaSecondLife only humans are someone and others. I care about others like homeless ppl and starving kids. That is why i do my best to feed homeless ppl meals like rotisserie chicken with bread. I am laughing at you because you are an adult crying over humans eating meat, when turkeys themselves eat meat. I am laughing at you.
Great interview. It is refreshing to listen to an intelligent, rational “opponent” for once.
She tried so hard to steer away from the animals. Good job Joey
Joey has got more balls than most of us. Respect to this man, joey your the best xx
Great work Joey! Thank you for speaking up for animals! And thank you to GBN for having you on to interview, I would love to see this on tv in the U.S.
I’m vegan 10 months because of Joey. When I try to talk to my friends about changing, I tell them to change one meal for now. Not sure if that’s the best advice but I’m trying
Bad luck! I'm sure your friends find you very trying.
@@Planet-Bees I only bring it up after they ask
@@davidrex9592 plant bees is a troll who is paid to come on vegan channels and mock people and mock veganism. When people ask you about veganism they may be very curious and may have guilt inside about killing animals. That is how i was before i stopped eating animals 24 yrs ago.
@@davidrex9592 'I'm trying' was simply a gift I couldn't resist.
It seems to take at least a couple of years for the ideology/diet combo to fully change most folk.
Great work Joey this was a great interview. Neither of you minced any words and it seemed like an extremely productive chat.
Great work staying on topic joey!!
I hope Steve is watching, go vegan for the animals! It’s easier than you think, you’ll have all the help you need if you reach out, & the worst that will happen is you’ll regret not doing it sooner
Excellent clap-backs, keeping the important purpose front and center. Always impressive, Joey is.
Joey you're wonderful ❤
Oh my god. This was actually so nice. What a great start to the year. Thank you, Joey, as always. ❤❤❤
Producers in her ear "keep talking about people going vegan for health, don't talk about the moral stuff"
Steve is a legend! Thanks joey, great debate!
what a breadth of fresh air your "opponent" is! Seems so genuinely compassionate.
Because he's not part of the industry so has no financial gain towards being anti vegan.
Joey you are amazing.
You are getting more and more well-spoken by every video! With that ability and your strong conviction you can do so much to help the change!🙏
Albert Einstein was ridden with guilt before turning vegetarian. Guilt or unease is the first step to a plant-based diet.
Awesome work Joey!
You kept quiet at the end and that was perfect. Some people don't need that hard of a push thankfully ❤ come to the veggie side, we have cookies!
Joey you came across so well in this. Really well done. Calm, respectful and you were able to keep steering the conversation back to the animals whilst also explaining clearly the undisputable health benefits. Amazing interview.
Great stuff as usual Joey, apart from the host who quite obviously just doesn't in any way grant the existence of the animals let along their suffering and exploitation and murder! She's just 'me, me, me' like so many millions of others...
Host definately thinking about trying to go with the most popular viewpoint.
Joey from the bottom of my heart Happy New Year mate, thank you for chalenging the status quo of this horific intustry
Very good talk! Steve was actually very honest, which was refreshing to see. I wish more people were open minded like that!
The presenter came across a little childish. Well done Joey keep up the great work, you're a legend.
Keep up the great work Joey! 💚🐾🌱
Wow. Finally, someone on tv who's attempting to walk away from animal products for ethical reasons!! How refreshing!! I hope he and his partner are successful in going and staying Vegan and hope it wasn't just lip service.
That's all it took for me. Watching Gary Yourofsky's Greatest Speech You'll Ever See!!
Please Go Vegan For The Animals 💚
I was very surprised at how open Steve seemed to he to have that conversation with Joey, and then was extremely disappointed in the host for ruining what was about to be a constructive, compassionate, and educational conversation
I hopes Steve continues these thoughts and conversation with his vegan friends. I'm sure they would be eager and willing to help and answer questions
That woman is showing a lack of understanding boring on idiocy.
Joey trying to have a vegan debate but they just trying to have a convo losing weight. 😂
Joey, it’s really sad to understand the truth that the vast majority of people could give a damn about compassion for for the suffering sentient beings. The girl doing this interview is a prime example!!
Great work joey I am vegan for animals for 2 years now
Thank you Joey 💚
woah great result Joey, you present better every time, vegan meats and bacon etc are more like the animal based product and I think the main reason people might prefer the animal version is that they are more fatty and this is a main reason why people are getting ill and obese
Well done Joey. And actually big respect for the guy you were talking to for actually listening and being open to change his mind. So refreshing to see.
When people have the mindset veganism is anything but about animal rights, they reject the actual definition of Veganism & substitute it for their own thoughts/feelings/personal gain. She is doing what companies did to the term vegetarian, to make people more relaxed about things that may contain dairy & egg, to straight up adding it & people accepting it because the term was bulldozed just the same as they are trying to do to Vegan/Veganism. Her exact behaviour is what forced people to very definitively define from personal diet or anything else but Animal Rights. Whenever you hear this argument/someone isn't listening to you/is inputting their own opinion on a defined word instead of using the word as defined, stop all conversation until they understand you cannot claim Vegan/Veganism unless that is why you are Vegan - for the animals, for their rights to their own bodily autonomy. Anything else is called plant-based or vegetarian, or simply does not fit the definition of Vegan. Any time someone says vegan diet & they aren't vegan but eat plant based, but still buy leather/go to zoos/pay for or participate in any animal exploitation, they aren't Vegan, they are plant based or what the original term for vegetarian was closer to/actually meant, before it was changed to fit people's personal narratives, instead of being about the animals.
She could not at all seperate veganism belief.from a plant based diet.
"I tried veganism for a few days for health " 🤦♀️
So great Joey! You have such a clear way of speaking for the animals with your focus on animal rights instead of the utilitarian approach with minimizing suffering like som others (which can lead to problematic conclusions).
I'm not sure I follow about the utilitarian approach. The billions and billions of animals are just as equal as us and they outnumber us tremendously - to reduce the overall suffering IS to reduce theirs.
Nonetheless Joey is very direct but also inspiring, informative, and persuasive - and just an overall professional within this passion we all share. He's incredibly effective.
@@jademelinlo Utilitarianism states that one should do the action that maximizes utility. Utility is most often understood in hedonistic terms, that is maximizing pleasure and minimizing pain/suffering.
The problem with utilitarianism is that it can lead to some counter intuitive conlusions. For instance, it can lead to the conclusion that hunting and killing animals is not only permissible, but the right thing to do in many more cases than most vegans would find intuitive. This because it can be less suffering if one kills one animals painlessly than if one buys plant foods in the supermarket that has caused at least some deaths in the harvesting of crops etc.
If one instead holds that animals have rights, such as the right to life, then hunting becomes impermissible. And the animals that die in crop production are not right violations because those deaths are (i) unintentional, or (ii) intentional but to protect one's food source and therefore not a rights violation (just like self defence against another human is not a rights violation).
Quick search "utilitarianism is a family of normative ethical theories that prescribe actions that maximize happiness and well-being for the affected individuals. In other words, utilitarian ideas encourage actions that ensure the greatest good for the greatest number."
This is regarding both the act itself and the consequence or result of the act. Utilitarianism is on the side of veganism and the > 80 BILLION animals affected globally each year. I'm not going to argue about this because I find it purposeless and doesn't further the cause, rather its an intellectual exercise that doesn't help the animals who are still very real victims. If you're a vegan I support you though and I think you're very intelligent! Just focusing this year and every year on lessening the amount of animal victims around the world.
@@jademelinlo A small correction in what you wrote. Utilitarianism is a consequentialist theory, meaning that it is ONLY the consequences of actions that matter. There are therefore NO intrinsically bad actions according to utilitarianism. Some actions most often lead to overall negative consequences however, like murder for instance. But in some circumstances murder could be permissible, or even obligatory according to this most common form of utilitarianism, what is know as "act utilitarianism". You can appeal to another form of utilitarianism to try to get around these sorts of cases, "rule utilitarianism", where you should act according to rules that increases utility for the society as a whole, in contrast to every case for itself like in "act utilitarianism". But every form of utilitarianism is exclusively concerned with the consequences of actions, in contrast to deontological theories, which instead is concerned with actions themselves being good or bad becuase they violate inherent rights etc.
But yes, the most important thing for the vegan movement is probably not having a discussion about which ethical theory is the correct one. Rather, the important thing is to include non-humans in our MORAL SCOPE, that is, to grant these beings moral status whose interest should be taken into account when we act in our daily lives.
I really like how open and authentic Steve sounded. Really nice to hear/see someone like that for a change. The host was really anoying though, she kept missing the point. I would like a full lenght talk between Steve and Joey (:
Vegans: there you have hundreds of scientific studies
Carnist: I like, I want, I desire
Putin: Yes, give into the hippies. World domination will be mine!!!!
Wow! Steve seemed lovely! I hope he and his partner do go vegan. Well spoken as always Joey. Maybe we’re getting through to people.
Einstein said the same thing about the natural feelings of guilt that come from not being vegan.
None here.but then I have faith in Christ Jesus, rather than New Age nonsense.
@@Planet-Bees Then I hope you watch Christspiracy which is coming out this year. Jesus had just as much compassion for animals as he did for humans.
@@Carskelly No V within the entire HB I checked; 2x read thru' + 2x audio. If you wanna point me to V refs. by Jesus, I'm all ears.
@@Planet-Bees Genesis 1:29-30:
God said, “See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food.”
@@Planet-Bees Book of Isaiah 11:6-9 suggests that, one day, God will restore the creation to such a state of universal vegetarianism:
“The wolf shall live with the lamb, the leopard shall lie down with the kid, the calf and the lion and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them. The cow and the bear shall graze, their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. The nursing child shall play over the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put its hand on the adder’s den. They will not hurt or destroy on all my holy mountain; for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.”
She seemed disappointed that the other guy was actually warming up to Joey 😂. She wanted him to play along with her narrative.
That guy needs to watch some footage and change his ways. He does seem to have a conscience. Great job Joey- as always!💚
that was amazing thank you Joey
I love that the moderator is just sassy both ways "So you are just greedy" 😂
And them laughing at these Airhead Influencers is the cherry on the cake.
Excellent as always. Much love and respect to you... as always.
I love all the wonderful people in your comments sections who have compassion and common sense. So hard to find people who don't make excuses and justify the horrible treatment of humans and animals.
It's like me saying "oh I tried not being racist for a few days and realised its quite inconvenient and not for me" 😂
Ppl who suffer racism eat meat. What you said is just silly.
I think you may have missed the point somewhat. He is making a comparison to people not being consistent with their views. Veganism is not something you dip in and out of. Its a total way of life. A way of life based on the rights of animals and compassion - which encompasses the whole belief that animals should not be made to suffer for human greed and selfishness, therefore you are 100% vegan or not at all vegan. You can not be partially vegan, as you cant be partially racist or partially involved with child abuse. You are, or you aren't, its that simple. @@GarudaLegends
@@lorrainelorraine8509 Please, humour him: Garuda is our trusty little troll, and we protect him and play with him, so he feels happy and doesn't have to spend too much time playing computer games.
@@behemoth5344weird question, you aren't Edith moss are you?
@@bugsthompson Not weird at all.
I'm not, but that's a very euphonic name :)
Well done, Joey. A lovely surprise .
@joeycarbstong it is truly beautiful to see how far you have come since the beginning of your journey. You are inspiring to witness. The way you speak is like the expertise and calm of a kung fu master in combat (picture Pi Mai from Kill Bill) leaving no possible rational movement or response. You cover it all eloquently and efficiently with ease like a master. If Gary is watching he would be so proud and so am I and I’m sure everybody else. Thank you for your service to the animals and having the courage to put yourself out there and experience the traumas you have. Love your heart brother 💚🙏
The way you encouraged Steve and uplifted his character really made a difference in his perception of veganism in this debate. Well done ✌️
I think he is going to be vegan after he watches your videos!
I can see that. For seven days😂
Thank You, Joey. 💚🌎🌱
I'd like to see more development of "veganic" or "stock-free" agriculture where no animal products are used to grow crops. Fertilizers can contain bone meal, blood meal, feather meal, and fish meal - which are just what they sound like. The book "Growing Green" explains the technique. I'd love to be able to find veganic fruits and vegetables at my local store or farmers market.
End of the day the only reason not so wholesome ethical people dont last on a vegan diet is because they dont know good vegan recipes, its taken me a few years to find some staple foods as a fussy eater andi would recommend brian turners lasagna as a great go to staple asit tastes amazing and last you a few days, also if you buy mr chens green curry paste and follow his recipe but change out the chicken and vegies for just a bag of frozen stirfry vegetables, a vegan pizza with bbq sauce as the base and mushroom, spinach, capsicum, tvp, pineapple, olives, and red onion as toppings is great, scrambled tofu recipes, spagheti bolegnaise with meat replaced with tvp, mushroom steaks and mashed potato and veggies, basically the staples we grew up with just made tastier and cruelty free
This was great. Congrats Joey
No one would be vegan or side with vegans if news programs actually had any intelligent guests on , these meat eaters make us meat eaters sound simple it’s all about their taste as usual
I've watched numerous debates over the years and analysed the topic from multiple angles.
I'm still vegan.
@@JB.zero.zero.1 as a meat eater I just think the meat eating presenters are cringe and same the same thing it’s cringe and low iq it doesn’t work well for a debate it’s almost like it’s handing the debate to the vegan on a plate
@@JB.zero.zero.1and still stupid.🤣🤣 While you eat an unhealthy vegan diet chickens, pigs, turkeys, fish, shrimp, lobesters, crabs, ducks, and other animals eat other animals.
The difference between these animals and vegans is that they are smarter than vegans by eating their healthy and natural diet(meat) that makes them live longer.
Imagine being so stupid that you would die due to a shorter lifespan eating a super unhealthy vegan diet, just to protect a chicken that eats other animals? 🤡
@@GarudaLegends Why do you think a vegan diet is unhealthy?
@@atunafis6038 the vegan diet is deficient in many important nutrients only food in meat. That is why all vegans are unhealthy
Joey, you're getting better at outreach with the years 💚
Great point right at the end there! We need to be talking to as many people as possible because there are a lot of them that are almost there and just need a gentle push. Joey did right to recognize and praise his partial compassion and encourage him to honor that further.
Thank you Joey! I’m trying my best advocating for Animals.. I’ve learned a lot from you. I’ve been Vegan since December 2017 🤗❤️ 🌱