Have Muslims Been Praying In The Wrong Direction For Over 1000 Years? | Sacred City | Timeline
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- The Sacred City presents compelling evidence that suggests the holy city of Mecca is in the wrong location and that the worlds 1.6 billion Muslims are praying in the direction of the wrong city. Compiling evidence from both historic sources and new technologies point to the correct location in this seismic, revelatory new film.
In this startling and original documentary, writer and historian, Dan Gibson, shows that descriptions of Mohamed’s original holy city - as detailed in the Qur’an and Islamic histories, do not match that of the Mecca we know today. If true this could shake Islam to it’s roots, because every Muslim is required to pray towards the ‘forbidden gathering place’. If Dan Gibson is right, Muslims are praying in the wrong direction.
In the film ‘The Sacred City’ we set out his evidence from within Islamic and ancient histories - while also using modern technologies - to track down the biggest secret of the last fifteen hundred years. Gibson not only finds the location of the original Mecca but also provides a convincing argument as to how such a great misunderstanding in Islamic history came about.
While clearly controversial, The Sacred City is respectful of Islam’s prophet, and does not dispute the events of the Qur’an; but shows how a deliberate attempt was made to hide from Islam, secrets that impact every Muslim today. The evidence is compelling and fascinating.
In a time when the world agenda is being set by Islam, it is more important than ever for the origins and history of this world religion to be examined afresh. This is an important documentary with world-wide appeal for both religious and secular audiences.
Beautifully filmed in the ruins and deserts of the middle east, the film is a detective story that investigates the dawn of Islam and will become the most talked about film for years to come.
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@قلبٌ بريءٌ Why we can't find any Arabic letters in petra.
do you know when these letters were invented!?
when was arab writing invented?
There is a phenomena called CONTINENTAL DRIFT. Continental drift is the theory that the Earth's continents have moved over geologic time relative to each other, thus appearing to have "drifted" across the ocean bed.
@قلبٌ بريءٌ lol, why do you think that?
Did Romans know youtube?
@@brominder CONTINENTAL DRIFT
Geological times are counted in million year periods, they can not explain why the pyramids are perfectly aligned while early mosques are not
@قلبٌ بريءٌ I know when you answer my question
that's why I asked
Always remember this "it is not the eyes that are blind but the heart".
Please elaborate
@@demitrijones6922 the eyes see how right the Muslims and Islam is, But the hearts don’t give in…
It usually starts from the eyes and then descends to the heart. It is not possible for the heart to be blind if the eyes can see.
And to think....all muslims bow in the WRONG direction... 😭😭😭
This research shows how dangerous it is to follow broken pieces of archaeological evidence while having little knowledge about the facts and denying reality. It is also interesting to see how they can combine information from history and even from the Quran and Sunnah to prove their theory while ignoring vast texts from the Quran, Sunnah, and Islamic history contradicting their theory. Moreover, this is a total disrespect and insult to Islamic history and the credibility of all Muslim scholars and Muslim Khalifas.
This research and analysis are complete garbage, either from his ignorance or as propaganda to spread misinformation about Islam and confuse ignorant Muslims. Believing in this research will be kufr; he is saying that Allah didn't protect Islam; Muslims are praying toward the wrong Qibla and going to Hajj to the wrong place; in that case, no one is worshipping Allah. This is total kufr and clear propaganda against Islam. May Allah destroy this guy and everyone involved in this kind of propaganda against Islam.
"The fools among the people will say, “What has turned them (Muslims) from their Qiblah [prayer direction (towards Jerusalem)] to which they were used to face in prayer.” Say, (O Muhammad SAW) “To Allah belong both, east and the west. He guides whom He wills to a Straight Way.” Surah Al-Baqarah - 142.
Omar is the one who changed the direction of the Muslims prayer
I gave you a Quranic verse with the source and you say "Omar"!!?
So, if you want to play dumb, find another place to do so.
It's narrated by Abu Hurairah that the Prophet PBUH said: “Whoever believes in God and the Last Day, let him speak good or remain silent” (Authentic in Bukhari and Muslim).
:)
@@windbauram7659 true, best answers
God is great he replied to this fool before he was born 1400 years ago am just amazed by his infinite wisdom
“Our Lord! I have settled some of my offspring in a barren valley, near Your Sacred House, our Lord, so that they may establish prayer. So make the hearts of ˹believing˺ people incline towards them and provide them with fruits, so perhaps they will be thankful” Quran 14:37
Thank you for confirming that!
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Best confirmation
Oh right 👍
Islam has set humanity back 1000 years of societal and technological evolution. What a blessing.
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Yes, this is the proof
Sure buddy just ignore the entire section of history called the Islamic golden age, also I am sure the Catholic church was doing wonders in the middle ages like persecuting Van gogh for saying the earth isnt the center of the universe.
Fell asleep at 2 and woke up to this and some other documentaries in my watch history
What do you think of it
I wish id done the same.
Even when presented with crushing proof ...... Dumb, Dumbest & Dan often believe that the very proof that they are WRONG .... is a proof that they are right ..
🤣
@@zionisthindurepublican7989 who are you referring to? Please clarify!!!
It would be nice to have a more critical examination of Islam much like Christianity has had.
The belief system will not tolerate objective analysis.
Lol
Fatwas will get issued and examiner would be cooked for blasphemy
@@themsmloveswar3985Why are people like you so ignorant and liars and deceivers. It’s open for anyone to explore Leeann the history of Islam and even put it under the microscope. People like you are the problem in society spreading hatred.
@@nfmg1719Why are people like you so ignorant and liars and deceivers. It’s open for anyone to explore Leeann the history of Islam and even put it under the microscope. People like you are the problem in society spreading hatred.
Great documentary. The more I learn about Islam, the happier I am to be a Christian.
Right? 👍🏻
So well said!!!
وكلما تعلمت عن المسيحية
شكرت الله اني مسلم 😂
More you learn about christisnity the more you become confused
I am a happy Christian especially from what I have been learning from other religions. THANK YOU JESUS. I LOVE YOU!!!
Dan, this is a fantastic work, could you please add Arabic Subtitles. The message is critical for Arabic speakers.
Bro this is a Zionist Christian channel. 90% of what they're saying have been has ben debunked by academics. For example, the Nabateans are 100% Arabs and spoke Arabic not Aramaic, that's agreed upon. Second the Roman province was named Arabia Petraeus nor Syrian province. Also the in the Arabic text it does not say Syria but the word Sham is used which mean the Levant. Also notice how they call everything in Palestine - "Israel", and avoid mentioning the word Palestine even though that was the name under the Romans.
Press the CC button it may help
The message is a joke and insult to western scholarship. No mainstream scholar from either the muslim or western tradition endorses this ridiculous theory.
Lies in English is enough, unless you want the Arabs to be more disgusted with white man
Is there zam-zam well in Petra ? If the Masjid al-Haram was situated in the Petra then zam zam well should be in Petra also.
Kudos for noticing that .
Also, if Petra is Becca .. why the Masjid Qiblatain face Mecca in Saudi Arabia (fact: Masjid Qiblatain Was Built When Prophet Muhammad is still alive)
I thought same.
Genesis 16:7
The angel of the LORD found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur.
Shur is a location mentioned several times in the Hebrew Bible.
Scholars believe that the 'way of Shur' was located along the Wadi Tumilat - an arable strip of land to the east of the Nile delta, serving as the ancient transit route between Egypt and Canaan across the Sinai.
Zam Zam is somewhere near Wadi Tumilat, nowhere near Saudi. Near Palestine. Ibrahim is from Assam Palestine, so Wadi Tumilat is within rational walking distance, not Mecca 1500km. A woman and a young infant is not possible to walk that distance let alone the heat of the dessert.
This proof that Quran is a compendium of LIES.
The confusion here stems from the way Arabic text is written in English. The word "Haram" in Majid-a-Haram is a different Arabic word (that is spelled differently in Arabic) than the word meaning forbidden: Haram. This word means sanctuary or holy shrine. For example Mecca and Madina are commonly referred to as the "Harameen Sharifine" meaning the two holy shrines.
These two words are also pronounced differently. The word forbidden is pronounced with a more extended second "a" (Haraam), while the word for shrine is a quick two syllables (ha-ram)
Well said bro
Thanks for the explanation. This helps in getting better clarification.
My friend please understand that I am telling you this from many years of research the black cube at mecca is a representation of Saturn worship. The cube is a representation of the prison of the titans. This is idol worship. Mohammed received much of his information from a spirit deep within a cave. This spirit is most likely a powerful jinn or demon.
Its actualy forbidden to NON-muslims !
@ The Human Experience The Truth is rarely pure and never simple.
I’m not a scholar in Arabic but you don’t have to be one to know the following :
1) “Bekka“ which means to have weeped or cried , in arabic is بكى and not بكة as mentioned.
The adjective of weeping or crying is يبكي for male and تبكي for female. Therefore the part about changing the city name from Bekka to Mekka doesn’t make sense, in such a case Mekka would be spelled as مكى which is wrong, It is currently spelled as مكة .
2) several times the author refers to AlMasjid as meaning a gathering place, but in Arabic AlMasjid means “the place that Prostration is conducted.” Masjid is the adjective of Sajad which means to have laid face down as submission during prayer for Worshop.
A gathering place on the other hand is referred to as Aljameh الجامع.
Prostration has literally been a form of worship across virtually every culture. Everyone and their mother bowed to their respective gods all over the world. You Muslims really think you invented the practice. 😂😂😂
That's what they did sajdah to Allah Almighty . Bella is mecca . It's also spoken of in the Bible in the book of Isaiah
I’ve watched the whole video by Dan Gibson.
To me he has made a gross error in his research & assumptions.
1. During Prophet’s Muhammad (PBUH) lifetime when he entered to retake Mecca, he came along with 10,000 Muslims. How could all of them couldn’t differentiate the location between Petra and Mecca which is so far away in distance? There were thousands of eye witnesses and how could this historian be so confused. The Muslims who earlier emigrated from Mecca to Medina still had their own houses, properties & relatives there. Even the Prophet’s birthplace, his wife’s house and others are still there in Mecca for the records. Caliphate Osman who was one of the richest man at his time had lands that he donated for public use to his name in Mecca & Medina until to-date. How could the location of Mecca be wrong? But no thanks to the Saud tribe who conspired with the British to betray, rebel & overthrow the Ottoman Caliphate & they later being installed as the rulers of Saudi Arabia until to-date and It was not a surprise that they had demolished most of the historical structures & remnants of the Prophet & HIs Companions in Mecca & Medina using the excuse that Islam prohibits shirk & idolatry. Was it?
2. Mecca was always known since its existence as a pilgrimage place instead of a trading destination
3. Islam spread to Indonesia & Malaysia which the former is the largest Islamic country of over 200 million Muslims through trading with the Arab countries, India & China through trade and never war. In fact China has about 50 millions Muslims today. How could Dan Gibson insinuated that Islam generally spread through war?
4. At the end of the video Dan Gibson showed the word Becca (Petra) and Mecca written in Arabic. That is a joke because Becca based in the Old Testament is spelled without ‘H’ at the end of it but Mecca in Arabic is with ‘H’ and pronounced as MEKAH.
5. Long time ago the early Muslims didn’t know much about astronomy and there was no compass, complete map or modern apps to determine locations. The best that they could assume was to follow the movement of the sun to guess the direction of Jerusalem and Mecca to determine the point for prayer. But as time goes by when Muslims had advanced into scientific & mathematical research during the Abbasid caliphate, astronomical studies was conveniently used to determine the accurate location of the Ka’aba in Mecca. Even at this moment in time if a Muslim is somewhere in a remote location and he has no means to know the direction of the Ka’aba, he can always refer to the direction of the sun wherever he is in the world to make his best assumption of the direction of Mecca. If things become complicated, a Muslim can also pray on the aeroplane to whatever direction as long as he carries out his daily obligation to God.
6. As far as I know you can find date trees in Mecca. Grapes, pomegranate & figs were planted in Taif about 100km from Mecca. So what’s the big deal about finding grapes in Mecca during those times? With the current climate change, it’s not surprising if grapes can grow there too.
7. Prophet Muhammad’s (PBUH) mission on Islam was completed during His lifetime. He gave His last sermon in Mecca about a year before His passing.
8. Caliphate Osman was Prophet Muhammad’s (PBUH) son-in-law. They had lived most parts of their lives together. After the Prophet, Abu Bakar became the first Caliphate in Islam, then Umar and later Osman. During Abu Bakar’s time Umar had proposed to compile the Quran which were written on pieces of tree bark, leather & paper but Abu Bakar reluctantly agreed as there were still many Muslims who could memorise the whole Quran (Hafiz) then. The task was entrusted to Zaid Ibn Thabit to compile a complete Quran. However as Islam expanded to other regions which transcended continents, races, languages & dialects during Caliphate Osman’s time, there were many Hafiz(s) who died in wars too. Osman then finalised the compilation by Zaid Ibn Thabit after being authenticated by other respected Hafiz(s). Osman himself was a Hafiz too. He used only the Quraish Arabic language Script that is the language of the Prophet and CODED to standardise the spellings, pronunciations & vowels of all the verses in the Quran. It’s just like certain words in English like COLOUR in the UK but COLOR in the US although it sounded the same. Osman then destroyed the rest of the other Scripts. The compilation of the Quran in a book form was completed during Osman’s time & copies of the authentic Quran script were distributed to the other regions under the Islamic Caliphate and until to this day all Muslims in the world are using the compilation currently known as the Osmanic Script. The Muslim world has never used the Abassid Script as alleged by Dan Gibson.
So far that’s all that I could comment on the 1 hour 25 minutes video from Dan Gibson. If I find out more later, I’ll add on to this reply.
One thing I realized is, people at that time were very extraordinary in Astronomy and calculation
"Deaf Dumb Blind, they will never return" Quran 2:18
Ikr. Dan missed that part. He tried
I think it's because extraterrestrials shared their knowledge with them just like they did with all other ancient civilizations and tribes all around the world. We are not alone.
@@margueritearavena2256 stay led astray
@@margueritearavena2256 Yes thats the true answer as in my research. Througout the bible theres talk of alien visitation & the book of Enoch had lots & it wasnt even in the bible.When i was younger i love Astromony & found to my suprise that the Saudis im sure it was had the greatest knowledge in civilization even better than China & planets & star systems etc were named by them wayy back in time.Where did they get the knowledge, where did anyone back then get it.And through the ages word has been passed down by mouth & carvings on rock till to this day we know it was because of visitation of other beings. Funny how time can eraze a lot of great information, burning books & missinformation etc. But we have great ppl who spend their lives on finding the real truth that others wish to hide from us but we keep finding it .Love IS the key i believe not war & murder.Have a great life
The excitement of the presenter as he describes his finding after years of research is seriously contagious
@@DrAliWD Why there is no ruins of ancient city on the place of modern Mecca as well as why there is no evidence of agriculture?
@@Btrutaltruth ikr
***////////⚠⚠ Allah's prophets are named after another GOD⚠⚠ Has Allah forgotten his name or is he just an IDOL!⚠⚠//////////****
Why is it the unforgivable sin in Islam to confess " there is only one God and this is YHWH""
The Name Jesus means------------- ***"YHWH SAVES "**
Elijah means------------- --------------***" MY GOD IS YHWH"***
John means ----------------------------***" YHWH has been gracious""***
Zakariya means -----------------------***""YHWH has remembered""***
******are all prophets according to the Quran*******
Christians God is not the God of Islam, Allah was made up.
Both was made up
I think the anomalies in the official history and the descriptions still available of the city show that this is a very important documentary. It has swayed me to this theory being correct. Devout followers may not be swayed, but that is their right. The civil wars among Muslims call into question Mecca being the holy city and birth place of the Prophet.
This theory has been disproved so easily and so many times, even by other orientalist that I’m honestly shocked that someone would even waste their time in creating this video.
1 hour plus video which can be refuted in like 5 minutes lol
This is amateurish garbage based on a totally debunked thesis from the 1970s.. Ancient Muslim historian accounts are extremely accurate and match very well with contemporary accounts written by Byzantines, Armenians, Copts and Syriac monks. _Hagerism_ actually did a great service to Islam and Islamic studies
Dear @rosevale3218. Consider the fact that since the conquest of Mecca by Prophet Muhammad (peace be unto Him) in 630 CE, the Kaaba has been accessible for pilgrimage and annual Hajj throughout 1400 years history since then with no break.. It is the same Kaaba that Prophet Muhammad (Peace be unto him) set foot on. That is fact not beautifully narrated theory
7 higher universe & 7 lower universe,
7 rounds of marriage,
7 rounds of idols in temple,
7 rounds of a dead body,
7 birth or incarnation.
7 is sacred in sanatan dharma "hindu Religion"
Somehow it is related to 7 rounds of kaaba.
When you want to show where the original city of Mecca is and try to convince the audiences, especially Muslims, you must also reveal other important places mentioned in history, such as Hudaibiyah and Thaif. You also must show some important areas/places for worship that are inseparable from Mecca: Arafah and Mina.
let them be in their wilderness, they're motivated to just put all the curiosity in all Muslim readers. a waste of time.
No-one can convince us brother.Faith is not that easy thing
I ask this question with respect to all Muslims and there faith! If Mecca is the place where the 365 windows were, then they are right, its not there. That place of the 360 windows or niches is in the americas! Many of the ancient places today geographically are not the ancient place mentioned in the ancient records. Horace Butler in his book When Rocks Cry Out has shown many of the sacred ancient places temples pyramids and cities in the Americas. I know that to you i sound crazy like i was hit in the head by a large flying stone. Even the great pyramid in the ancient records said that it had stair cases and a summit at the top of it, when we clearly see that today it does not have any of those features. When you take a look at 'El Tajin' the famous pyramid of the niches in Mexico, you will be looking at that the ruins of the 360 window temple where Muhammad destroyed the idols in those windows.
@@brianglisson968 what windows?
@@kibriaali536 Well, they are more so "niches" or cubbies, than windows, where the idols were placed for veneration.. there were 360 idols that Muhammad destroyed according to the history. Each idol had its own day. And 360 Niches that were in the 'Temple of Windows' at ancient 'TaJin' in Mexico.. the "place of the Jinn" That means this temple "Temple of Windows" is the original Kaaba!! Now that begs of answers to now know that the Kaaba was in Mexico as well as these old events recorded. This was history that was deliberately destroyed and hidden yet somehow in our lifetime it was found uncovered by Horace Butler, author of 'When Rocks Cry Out'
Quran 2:158
Indeed, as-Safa and al-Marwah are among the symbols of Allah. So whoever makes Hajj to the House or performs 'umrah - there is no blame upon him for walking between them. And whoever volunteers good - then indeed, Allah is appreciative and Knowing.
I don't understand why people can take Quran seriously... Maybe out of curiosity. The Quran was written in a way that it was out of order unlike the Bible. I mean ...it was not written in a chronological order...there was no order.....it was a bunch of Arabic documents put together and with Muhammad's beliefs...
@@geoffreyk6229 LOL BIBLE AND ORDER 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@The1Bozkurt1The Holy Bible was written in a well mannered order. Quran wasn't. Look at them both.
@@The1Bozkurt1Quran is just like Muhammad..F.A.K.E.
@@geoffreyk6229
DID JESUS CURSE THE FIG TREE BEFORE OR AFTER DIRIVING THE MERCHANTS FROM THE TEMPLE
A-)AFTER : MATTHEW 21:12-19
B-)BEFORE : MARK 11:12-17
😂😂BIBLE AND ORDER 😂😂😂😂
Allah said in the Quran that your intentions counts whatever you do in Islam for Allah, not the direction. He said “Allah” “ the whole earth is mine , pray where ever you are, he is all knowing, all seeking, your intentions. Allah knows , what they planed, whatever, I planned the plan, so my planning for good. Rest read the Quran yourself.
It is good to study but you MUST know Arabic when you want to study on Islam. That word is not Masjad, it is Masjed, and it does not mean gathering, it means a place for pray and sojud. So, you do not know even basics of Arabic!!!
I agree with you
Very very interesting, really well researched and detailed. It will take me a few days to take it all in. I am so very saddened to hear that Muslims burned so many books, we are so used to blaming the Christians for the burning of the library in Alexandria. Thank you for this amazing documentary
Look also into the work of Dr. al-Jallad on epigraphy (rock inscriptions). It sheds light on the origins of Arabic and the type of Arabic used in the Quran, which is northern Arabic. This agree well with Gibson's findings, as well as the geographical descriptions in the Quran, which are to places much further north than Mecca. Cheers!
Nope, Gibson is lying. even secular historians believe that Petra became part of Roman empire and before Prophet (Sm) even born. So does Gibson wanna say that he born in christian society? Which also contradicts Quran. Moreover, Mecca is located in Petra, and Byzentines, Sassanids and Israelites are like "We pretend, we never heard any Muhammad (Sm) from Petra" (Although he is our enemy)
@@theastronomer5800 yes it is true that muslims are praying in the wrong direction- because that's what satan wants them to do-qabese=ka bese= in Albanian language means to COVENANT with GOD and this word QA+BESE is only in Albanian language- which means that that land is the direction the prayers should GO- the holy land and the language that was spoken with GOD- many things are hidden, the truth is very deep but who knows ALBANIAN understands what has happened ; praying to the ground and not to the SKY where GOD sits, dressing in black; going around against the spirals that GOD rotates the univers; dressing women in black like dead mummies; islam was just a business to cover the east and peoples to be divided and controlled - Alexander the Great spoke Albanian- who burnt the Library you think and WHY???!!!!
This research shows how dangerous it is to follow broken pieces of archaeological evidence while having little knowledge about the facts and denying reality. It is also interesting to see how they can combine information from history and even from the Quran and Sunnah to prove their theory while ignoring vast texts from the Quran, Sunnah, and Islamic history contradicting their theory. Moreover, this is a total disrespect and insult to Islamic history and the credibility of all Muslim scholars and Muslim Khalifas.
This research and analysis are complete garbage, either from his ignorance or as propaganda to spread misinformation about Islam and confuse ignorant Muslims. Believing in this research will be kufr; he is saying that Allah didn't protect Islam; Muslims are praying toward the wrong Qibla and going to Hajj to the wrong place; in that case, no one is worshipping Allah. This is total kufr and clear propaganda against Islam. May Allah destroy this guy and everyone involved in this kind of propaganda against Islam.
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I was a Muslim when I watched this and thanks to you I still am
🤣🤣🤣🤣 u killed me !!!
Facts
That's fascinating but the problem is I can't find who asked.
No one was trying to convert you dear. Just Historians sharing knowledge with the rest of us laymen.
The black stone was a worship place for pagans and muslims to this day do the same pagan rituals😃
Those who Satan took for a ride will always question the credibility of the religion of Abraham.
As Al Haq (The Truth) is another name of Allah, I feel I have increased my emaan (faith) after watching this documentary several times. Wherever truth is going to show and led me, I simply have to accept and embrace it.
This should kill your "emaan" right here....Jesus Yeshua who lived a whopping 700 years before the quran+hadiths said that 👉He is The Truth👈 Sooooooo, who do you think is lying, Jesus or muhammad?
What? What truth?
Jesus is the one who claimed to be "The Truth" 👈 a whopping 700 years before the false cult of Islam came around.
Only lies and more and more lies. Without it islam dies
Misleading/wrong info within the first one minute.
Muslims DO NOT face the black stone, rather they face the kaabah which simply means the qibla or the direction. To form a uniformity and ease of prayer as a congregation the direction was fixed to be the kaabah.
The black stone simply is used as a reference point for the starting and the ending of circumambulation of the kaabah. It is believed to be a piece of paradise nothing more, nothing less. We neither bow to it, not worship it. It is a powerless stone. Stone which is just a speck of the vast creation of Allah.
Thank you for the clarification
And the black stone is in the Kaabah🙂
Beautifully said
Exactly
Totally not relevant.
Have you even seen the rest of the documentairy?
As a Muslim, I've watched this with an open mind. I have lots of remarks and questions though.
I think Dan needs to explain the battle sites near Mecca and the early capital being Medina. It took them only days to reach Mecca during the Hegira. The life of the prophet is well documented, not just through historians but through Quran as well. Also, early Muslims went to today's Ethiopia for refuge in the early years of Islam. Why would they go from Petra to Ethiopia instead of Jerusalem for example?
Damascus fell years later to Muslim conquests, and it wasn't that close to Medina at all. But Caliphs had to travel from Medina to Damascus only did it rarely, why is that? They could visit Mecca on their way to Jerusalem for example. They had a lot of travels between Medina and Mecca but not to Damascus or even Jerusalem. They also had to appoint the earliest Ummayad leader (who later become the Ummayad Caliph) as governor of Damascus, but that makes no sense if Mecca and Damascus are so close to each other in terms of distance compared to Medina.
Mosques facing the wrong directions are no huge deal, even today people build mosques in wrong directions and then put special things to show the correct Qibla. It is often easier to just face a general direction thinking it would be there, and sometimes we do that when we have no GPS connection. Dan is looking at 8th-century builders and thinking they had GPS. But no they didn't, some of them maybe didn't even know if the earth was round or not. From the western mosques, it is easier to see, they've thought Mecca would be in the southeast, but they were just looking at the Sahara desert. Did they copy it from Egyptian Muslims? Did they make it on purpose? Maybe, maybe not. Dan is thinking with our current knowledge of the world map.
Dan ignores Shia Muslims as well, they were never fans of Ummayads nor Abbasids, why did they forget the original place? Even today Shia Muslims go to a special pilgrimage of their own in Iraq where they actually whip themselves. They have never forgotten about Ummayad leaders killing the sons of Ali who was only the 4th caliph, so we are looking at very very early separation. So, only by checking the early mosques in Iran, he can point to "real" proof. Okay, you would say they have also changed it. But why is there no Muslim school that actually goes to Petra, or even considers it a holy place? Petra was mostly forgotten until the 19th century. Muslims were not even aware of this place, not in documents nor by oral history, simply this city never existed for Muslims.
There are older buildings near Mecca including graveyards and battlefields. I believe that since he cannot go there as a non-muslim he created his own Mecca.
“I believe that since he cannot go there as a non-Muslim he created his own Mecca.”
Also you: “… I’ve watched this with an open mind …” ☺️
@@kierenmoore3236 wouldn't finish it at all if I had a close mind. He basically says for thousands of years Muslims were idiots and worshipped the wrong place...
Very good brother. I've made a rebuttal to this video on my channel to show his blatant deceit.
The map that he drew, was he eluding to the "Ottoman Empire" ? How come Spain was also put into this too ?
@@theguidancecounsellor2948 where?
Great work. Was always fascinated by the ancient city of Petra, naturally has a holy aura to it, can only imagine what it looked like back then. Especially the caves with the shapes carved into the walls.. Makes a whole lot more sense than mecca and the black rock
The black rock was a diety the ancient pagan arabs used to worship
Hristiyanlar aşırı yalan söyleme yeteneğine sahiptir , kutsal kitapları İncil'i 6.000 ayrı şekilde yazdılar , yalana asla doymaz bir hristiyan😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
مكة البتراء
وبكة القدس
No history of peeps in mecca
❤notice the doorways "larger made for "giants"
About the Kaaba in Mecca - why would Allah (Muhammad) not tell Muhammad to worship it from Day 1 (he lived right around the corner...) but make him face Jerusalem for ~10 years and once rejected by the Jews he decided to change the qibla in a direction that he liked, as the Quran says "We will surely turn you to a qiblah of your liking".
subtitles of the Arab guy speaking 11:10 are deliberately translated wrong. He does not say the city had ancient ruins and city walls, rather he describes a large and well known city with markets. Weak and unreliable sources quoted from Bukhari are not sufficient evidence to back up this theory claimed by Dan Gibson. The argument that Mecca had a large population is also wrong. Large armies were not composed merely from the dwellers of Mecca, but were a collective army formed by bedouin tribes who inhabited all areas of the Arabian Peninsula. Mecca only had Qurash tribe who were lucky to own the Kaaba which held the idol gods and tribes of Arabia would visit for religous and trading purposes. Think of it as an ancient trade show with a pilgrimage twist...around the twelth minute the documentary talks about "approaching a town blessed with water and trees". Yes Mecca had Zam-Zam water wells for thousands of years, and yes there would have been Date Palms with "fruits", as dates are classified as a fruit, but certainly not grapes, they fail to show the actual hadith in Arabic text, they just quote it in English with supporting visuals of grapes to manipulate the audience. Why is the climate of Mecca at the time presented as such a suprise? Ancient records show that The Sabaean kingdom of Yemen had cities such as Sanaa with lush gardens and flora. Even Anatolia and Mesopotamia had lions, cheetah and asian elephants but are no longer present. In short, climatic shifts happen and there is no evidence to prove Mecca did not ever have any vegetation during that period. Last point is about the Masjids built in the first century of Islam. Qibla walls could have easily been slightly off target considering the examples given these structures were hundreds or thousands of km's distance and with good reason people did not have Google Earth and modern GPS coordinates at the time, moreover, documentary does not even mention the first masjid built at the time of prophet Mohammed in which he had helped build himself called Masjid Kuba.
@MrA If all of my claims can easily be broken down, then do it, you are obliged to disprove my claims if you have the nerve to speak. I think I have put forward a rational argument with many of my claims opposing specific parts and statements in the documentary. It seems like you haven't paid attention to the details in the documentary and probably have not read my argument carefully, it's obvious by you saying that I will talk about zamzam water, which I already did, and to your bright attention, I have not claimed that the Quran mentions zamzam, as it does not need to mention zamzam, it's presence is a scientific fact.
The Quran does not say there are olive trees in Mecca, this is the verse: “By the fig and the olive; By Mount Sinai; By this City of Security (Makkah)” this verse does not make a claim that there are figs and olives in Makkah nor on mount Sinai, it's an oath to those fruits because first of all they are very beneficial to the human body, secondly, figs and olives were known to the Arabs of Makkah because they were widely traded commodities. As a matter of fact, any commercial produce which was available in Petra - Palestine - Levant area, you could have also found in the markets of Makkah because there were merchants trading these goods. The prophet Mohammed had also travelled to the Levant in his youth as a merchant, people of Makkah were familiar with many fruits and products such as olive oil. Anyhow your understanding of history is very shallow, which explains why you would believe a clumsily prepared documentary like this one, I guess it was aimed at an audience of your caliber. Go read some history books, Mr.self proclaimed donkey genius
How do you know the translation was deliberately wrong?
@@michael7324 probably because he is an arab and knows classical Arabic?
@@xondeez757Hi XON, Im sure a lot of people speak the language. My question is why does he think it is deliberate? He can not know the translators intent.
@@michael7324 Arabs know what classical arab means.
I'm not even Muslim and I watched this in it's entirety. Amazing research and info!
ruclips.net/video/7JjSVpLSfB8/видео.html.
U want a 🥇?
The crescent moon and the black stone the Muslims walk round at Mecca are from the pre Muslim religion, when the people of Arabia and Iraq worshipped the moon. These symbols were absorbed into Islam.Mohammed travelled with his uncle around Arabia and Across into Egypt. He picked up Jewish and Christian teaching when he visited Synagogues and churches, but neither the Jews nor the Christians would let him convert to their religion, from worshipping the Moon God, so he started his own religion -- Islam. He incorporated the teachings he had heard into his own teachings. Non of his followers could read and write so it was important that his followers learned his teachings by heart. Even today Jewish children learn the Law (the first 5 books of the Bible )off by heart , when they go to Hebrew classes after school.
The Quaran was codified 250 years after the time of Mohammed ,and there were 8 ancient copies written on vellum ,rather than papyrus . One of these ancient codices is in Cairo and the other is in Baghdad. The other 6 have not survived.
The earliest Jewish Scroll dates from 100 years before Christ ,and individual books of the New Testament date from the late 1st century and 2nd century AD. All 3 of these religions had a long tradition of scribes faithfully copying the sacred texts, until the art of printing was invented. The Christian scribes did not only copy the Old and New testaments. They also copied Greek and Roman poetry ,plays and historical documents. There are over 5ooo copies of ancient New Testament books .
It's filled with lies.
yeah vids amazong how a group of peopls dedicated in debunking their religion.. fascinating
According to Lisān al-'Arab of Ibn Manẓūr, the site of the Kaaba and its surroundings was named Bakkah due to crowding and congestion of people in the area. The Arabic verb bakka (بَكَّ), with double "k", means to crowd like in a bazaar. This is not to be confused with another unrelated Arabic verb bakā (بَكَىٰ) (single k) which is the past tense of yabkī (يَبْكِي), to cry. It could be good if you know arabic when you investigate.
Regardless, there was no evidence of any city where current day Mecca is fitting the description of the city in Islam. No trees, fertile fields, or any archaeological evidence there was any city off the trade route, even on ancient Arabian maps. Where all the maps in Arabia changed? How did mecca become a desert instead of the fertile fields the Quran describes ?
This was well made, and definitely gave me a feeling that this man was genuinely sure about his claims.
A few things I took away from the documentary after watching it all. But before I begin, it’s important to note that we Muslims take the Quran to be the word of God and thus we take that to be fact over all other contentions.
Mecca in the Qur’an is stated as either Becca (3:96, 7th word) or Mecca (48:24, 9th word). Dan says that the word Becca means to weep. Which is true, but not in Arabic, Becca comes from the root word bkk (ب ك ك), which has a few meanings, but none of them is to weep. Crowding of people, lack of water, or even breaking of the neck could all be meanings for the word Becca. The reason Dan thought it meant to weep was because of the old testament verses in Psalms 84. When they came to translate the word from Hebrew to greek, it meant to weep, and it even stuck with the story of Hager and Ishmael, while Ishmael was the one that wept. (May God bless them both). But we aren’t talking about Greek or Hebrew but Arabic. So Dan is pretty much using a completely different word, to begin with. Now I could understand that there could be genuine confusion because there is a word in Arabic which is Baka which means to cry, however, the root for that is BKY (ب ك ي). The words could sound the same but aren’t the same. Lastly, on this point, I can see where the connection came from because Petra was called the valley of weeping, because of the earthquake and people wept, etc.
He took hadith accounts and tried to run with it. The hadiths that he referenced described Mecca to have trees and rivers etc. While we know that isn’t the case when we talk about Mecca. So Dan decided to say that those descriptions are descriptions of Petra, however, those descriptions even contradict the Quran’s description of Mecca. 14:37 where Abraham prays to God and says that he left his family in an uncultivated valley.
Dan stated that Mecca was a trading spot, where people would come and go trading goods while the people of Mecca themselves were also merchants. While this wasn’t the case, a lot of the people were merchants yes, however, Mecca made the majority of their money by taxing the people to visit the sacred house. We see evidence of this within the Quran (8:33-35, 48:25) where the Quraish have control over who enters and who doesn’t enter Mecca.
To tie with the above point, Dan also stated that Mecca was called the mother of all cities in the Qur’an. But couldn’t fathom the concept that Mecca was an unknown when it comes to ancient maps, therefore, concluded that the Qur’an is actually talking about Petra. Since this is the word of God to us Muslims, and we believe that God is beyond space and time, it is quite clear that God gave it this name because of what Mecca was going to be. Just like how Abraham means father of multitude, no one would have ever believed that about Abraham at that time, because he was an 85-year-old man when he got his first son. So God looks at the potential of the situation, while we humans are limited through time, space, and scope. Millions of people come to Mecca so it is definitely a sacred place and it’s a city that never sleeps.
Dan pretty much concludes that the direction of prayer was towards Petra and not towards Mecca. And even examined a few old mosques that did face petra. I can see how this could cause issues with some Muslims, but it is my personal conviction that the Qiblah is only designed as a symbol of unity for us Muslims during prayer because we pray in congregation. While prayer isn’t limited to a certain direction as the Qur’an clearly states in 2:115.
Lastly, a keyword in ayah 2:144 is the 12th word in the Arabic text and its "Shatra" Shatra comes from the root word "shtr" which means many things but when it comes to direction, it doesn't mean the exact point, but close to the required direction. So we are commanded to face Mecca to the best of our abilities but if some were a bit off or even a lot off, no problem.
I'm sure this documentary fooled a bunch of people, but in reality, truth always prevails.
Good day/night Sir, does your book not say the following
And to Allah belongs the east and the west. So wherever you (2:115
And please according to Muslims the Quran is written very simple. so that whoever reads it can understand.
Hello@@henrypacquette1489, I hope you are well, and thank you for your question(s).
Yes, it does say so, I believe I even referenced it (2:115) in my original response above.
It was added to highlight the point that Dan's whole production is moot due to the fact that God doesn't need a direction to be reached, rather the direction is for our unity as a people, among other things.
Not sure I understand your second point/question. The message is easy to understand yes, "Belief in One God, and serve God by serving life". That's pretty much the crux. A child can understand this, but then Islam also caters to the deep thinkers that can take it to a scholarly level. So hamdillah it covers both spectrums.
Not sure if that's what you are looking for, but you are more than welcome to ask anything you want :)
Good day
I learned more from this comment than in the documentary lol
This comment is worth reading than to waste time on documentary which obviously tries to fool people. Don't let anyone shake your belief, these are the propaganda of shayatin to deviate to create confusion but we should have faith coz faith is the base of our deen..
1) if bekka comes from (ب ك ك) it would be (بككة). therefore bekka comes from (ب ك ي) so it can make the word (بكة) + the meaning makes sense than (ب ك ك). God said the quran was explained and detailed (Sourat 41:3 for example) so the meaning of بكة based on its root (ب ك ي) makes perfect sense.
2) God said that he sent down Torah, Injeel and Psalms, and sent the Quran as a discernment (Sourat 3:3 - 3:4 for example). So as a believer, we must read those books in their original language and use Quran to detect problematic verses. in the case of the chapter 84 of Psalms, this chapter confirms what God sent before because both books talk about the valley of Bekkah. Therefore, for a Quranic believer, the chapter 84 of Psalms verse 6 and 7 are correct.
3) why didn't you write the whole verse? Abraham tells god that he established his family in an uncultived valley and he demand him to provide his family with trees of fruits. Abraham came before Mohamed so if God accepted Abraham demand and blessed his family with trees of fruits, then when Mohamed was born those trees were already here.
4) those verses doesn't prove your point in anyway??? they don't even mention Mekka it only describes how the believers were persecuted. Thus, Dan Gibson has solid elements to prove that masjid al haram is in Petra. But, nothing proves that this Masjid al haram was in Mekka so why do you use these verses pretending that it was happening in Mekka without any proof?
5) Nothing proves that God in the Quran named the city that is called today "Mekka" to be named Mekka. you say you're a believer yet you assume stuff about God without anything to support it, if you're a true believer then stop your shirk by pretending that you know what God is doing. "Millions of people come to mekkah so it is definitely a sacred city". Dan explained with evidence why people started to go to mekka have you even watch the video? your arguments doesn't make any sense you just assume stuff based on your own personal thoughts the Abraham example doesn't support anything of what you said.
6) If you're a true believer stop lying about God! God made us a Qibla towards Masjid al haram and told us to turn to its direction (Sourat 2:144 it is even used in this video! And you even used it in your commentary! Why are you lying!). in Sourat 2:115 Actually God says where ever you are where ever you turn God is here and everywhere. God is actually telling us that he is everywhere and knows everything and everything that happens. Again why are you lying!
7) Lemme laugh a bit i'll be right back. Your argument makes absolute no sense! STOP LYING God never told us to face the city that is currently called "Mekka" . STOP assuming stuff about God when God himself never talked about it. Stop your blasphemy! Stop your lies! Open your mind and use your brain! This documentary is a tresor for people who seek knowledge! You're the fooled one!
I really love the idea that a foundational idea in world religion could be so wrong that it means millions of people have been doing a ritual wrong, five times a day everyday for about 1300 years.
Tradition matters more than truth in most religions, so i wouldn't expect the Muslim world to accept this.
Makkah is not Petra, the descriptions do not match
I found the answer.. it's in the Qurán, There was a different location as a test to see who will follow the prophet.. Some American wrongly joined a Quranist cult, then left it and studied Islam properly, he learned how to pray and that there was a different location.. Here is where he mentions it ruclips.net/video/pnkLvJHi5h8/видео.html start at timestamp 40 minutes
You like an idea that does not exist and is incorrect, and your source is RUclips😂
Its a vile cult
Since the conquest of Mecca by Prophet Muhammad in 630 CE, the Kaaba has been accessible for pilgrimage throughout history since then.. It is the same Kaaba that Prophet Muhammad (Peace be unto him) set foot
As mentioned in the Quran chapter 2 verse 115: "To Allah belong the east and the west, so wherever you turn you are facing ˹towards˺ Allah. Surely Allah is All-Encompassing, All-Knowing." So, it really doesn't matter even if your "research" proves that muslims should pray in direction of London. Thank you again for this amazing "research" that cost you money, effort, and time. Looking forward to watching another "scientific" documentary.
You are clearly missing the point though. If Muslims were told to "change the qiblas" and then they build so many mosques pointing towards a specific point, and this point is not Mecca, what does that tell you about early Islamic history.
@@theastronomer5800The mosques were not pointing in any particular direction, but were just built facing random directions each, ruclips.net/video/KLIUCrd5hG4/видео.html
I understand your point of view, and largely agree. However, I don’t believe this documentary was made with the purpose of being offensive to Muslims. I think the researcher is simply trying to clarify inconsistencies in early Islamic history. I certainly do not take his claims at face value, but it is an interesting theory.
Only Islam would require a documentary to explicitly state that no Qurans were burned in the filming...
I'm not muslim but I'm so stunned with this guy's work in finding the historical truth especially when he went to all early mosques to check their qiblat directions. I dropped my jaw again when he found the mosques in north africa and spain facing directions parallel to Petra and Mecca line. Amazing discovery.
they use false logic to mislead us as if we are facing the wrong qibla. Indeed, it is an act of Satan (Deceit - Talbis) to confuse Muslims. The evidence that is claimed is widely distorted and spam.
one of the proofs is that he does not include where the water of zam-zam and hills of shafa and marwah are located.
Interesting but...
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His work is very interesting. I recommend reading his book "Quranic Geography". What he says is not that new though as it is supported by other evidence and a long time ago scholars started to notice for example that the linguistics and geography of the Quran does not agree with the Mecca region.
If you're interested in the history, two excellent books are Early Islam by Ohlig and The Hidden Origins of Islam by Ohlig & Puin. They contain many fascinating works within!
@@blorac9869 There is always a but when the answer you get is not what you think or told. the evidence is strong he is right like all holy books there is always changes to suit the leader of the time in the early years maybe in today's world specifically over the last twenty plus years.
So, Ibn Zubeir changed a whole holy city from its place, and changed the Qibla direction which represents a pillar in the Islamic faith but no Muslim protested at that time, and no historian or theologist spoke or wrote about this spectacular and grandiose event in all the Islamic history, even the victorious rivals of Ibn Zubair who were in Damascus didn't say anything about that?!!
That means that this relocation of the sacred city of Mecca was one of the most successful conspiracies in human history because all Muslims and non-Muslims of that time and all the rival clans (Ibn Zubeir in Mecca, the Umayyad in Damascus, The shiites in Iraq and the anarchist and extremist Kharijites who were everywhere) liked and participated in the relocation of the city and in the changement of the Qibla, and they collaborated to keep that secret and succeeded in that task for more than a thousand years !!
Catholicism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, Judaism: they all survived over a thousand years. It's a long time but it doesn't say anything about veracity. It's quite imaginable that the Qibla could be moved if you were only roughly supposed to face it and weren't required to face it 100% accurately 🤷♀️
Turn around. Look at what Muhammad prophesied..
Find nothing...he was NOT A PROPHET.
Please view this video by Dr Shabir Ali on Dan Gibson's qibla at the link on the right; ruclips.net/video/Rxv_QTMWTro/видео.html
I guess anyone that protested met a knife in the back afterall the ruler's words were ultimate back then pretty much everywhere in the world, unlike today.
@@Vengeance22 lol so how did you know that everyone who protested got killed?
Sources right? The where are the sources that say anything about the change or the protest? Exactly nothing it's all in your imagination
If God is everywhere then why must they pray in a certain direction?
That's I'm wondering about them.
The amount of denials by Muslims and trolling comments didn't surprise me.
Whatever they believe is what they force as beliefs on others else, they draw their swords ⚔️ as a punishment for challenging them.
That's beyond fascist level of madness
The mosque of Madina is still alive and you haven’t mentioned it in this whole documentary that where the mosque of Madina Qibla direction is?
The Qiblatain mosque is the first mosque and its Qibla direction is towards Mecca not Petra.
Today’s direction of either mosques was made later. Dan Gibson has researched that too.
After the Muslims moved to Madina, a prayer of the Prophet was accepted and Muslims were told to face Mecca instead of Palestine, so its clear enough that they faced a different direction in the early days. Read all of Islamic history then make assumptions.
MADINA mosque more than 5 times reconstructed...
Weak documentary.
@@twitterer if anything against Islam it is weak.. so funny.. weak hadeeths and weak quran, weak Muhammad and weak Allah..
But I know woman and perfumes are the weakness of Muhammad..
Brother he saying with historical and scientific evidences... so you have right to answer the same way.. God Bless you
1. Dan Gibson said that the name "Makkah" (or in the video spelled "mecca") only mentioned once in the entire quran. Other names are associated by Muslim scholars to the name of Makkah. Like "Bakkah" (becca) for example. Let us examine this. The name "Makkah" is a modern pronunciation of the ancient word "bakkah" means weeping. It originated from the story of Hagar and Ishmael. This story is also mentioned in the Bible. See the story of "Be'er Lahay Roy" (The Well of Lahay Roi) or we called it today "zam-zam" in the Book of Genesis. This theory also affirmed by RAMBAM (Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon - or Maimonides) when he wrote about Psalm 84:3-6.
2. In the Quran chapter 2: 144 it was mentioned: "Turn then Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque." The Sacred Mosque (Masjidil Haram) is the Kakbah (the Black Box) located in Makkah. There is a narration about this verse when the Prophet prays towards Al-Quds (Palestine) he turned his back from Kakbah. This happened when the prophet was in Makkah.
3. Dan Gibson also stated that "every muslims should pray towards black rock/stone in mecca." Well, again you should do your research well Mr. Gibson. Kakbah is not only a "Black Stone" or "Rock". It is a Mosque with a room inside it. It is 13.10 meters high, and 11.03 meters x 12.62 meters square in the inside. So no, it is not a "Rock" or "Stone". Thus it is called "Masjidil Haram" (Sacred Mosque) and not "Hajar" (Rock). There is a rock embedded in it, called Hajar Aswad (the black stone) but it was just a part of it. Not the Kakbah itself.
4. Dan Gibson also mentioned that the Ummayyads and the Abbasids (during a civil war) disputed about the direction of prayer whether towards Makkah or Petra. This theory does not have any historical basis. He criticized the basis of Makkah being the Qibla (direction of prayer) and yet he speaks without any historical evidence regarding a so-called "historical event" :/ It was stated that the Qibla in the Mosque of Umar faced neither Makkah nor Petra because of the confusion. Well this is a conjecture with no evidence at all... This happens all the time in Muslim world, where the directions of Makkah is ambiguous because there is no modern map or compass whatsoever, so they estimated the direction with their limited ability and knowledge. In Indonesia, it happens all the time. So whenever the Sun is on the Kakbah, we see the sun in order to locate the direct Qibla towards Kakbah/Makkah. It is non-sense to say that they deliberately pointed the qibla neither to Makkah nor Petra out of confusion. What's the point then not to face one of them? Did they pray facing nowhere?? Non-sense!
5. From the linguistic point of view, the Quran was revealed in Classical Arabic, in the dialect of the Meccan (though there are some variant recitations. According to a sound hadith - sayings of the Prophet PBUH- there are 7 recitations of the Quran). No connection whatsoever with the Petra or Jordanian people/language. In fact, Nowaday Jordanian Arabic was influenced by that of Classical Arabic, not vice versa.
I rest my case.
Kudos. Very good answers.
Good
not a good comparison they did. yet again ho w can he claimed being an historian without speaking about evidence and studying the linguistic before tried to understand Quran?
All Religion is man made with medieval mentality , nothing wrong with that , they were the times . We need to move forward with science and reason . Faith is a just not enough . That’s trickery at its finest .
All Religion is man made with medieval mentality , nothing wrong with that , they were the times . We need to move forward with science and reason . Faith is a just not enough . That’s trickery at its finest .
Ppl in denial...not allowed to question 😂
Yup, that's the issue that all blind slaves of Al-Lah face. Their brains have been shut down for sooooooo long, that abrogation and Bid'ah makes more sense to them then going back to the source of origin when it comes to historical facts. 🙄 That is why there's no point in digging or questioning for them.😔
This is an amazing documentary and Mr Dan has done some extensive research. What my question to Mr Dan is about the zamzam well. If Masjid AlHaraam is in Petra then where is the zamzam well?
It’s in Mecca where Kaaba is.
Masjid Al-Haram is not in Petra.
Bro, There is a water passage in petra where the Zamzam would flow, this water still appears in petra even today but it's rare!
@@thelegando4281 , I will repeat again. Zamzam water’s location in Al-Haram. Whatever is in Jordan it’s not zamzam. You can’t just call any water zamzam…
@@Hums916 Zamzam means flowing water, not a well.
An important fact is that the Muslims conquered Mecca in the life of the prophet Muhammad (SA). Before that the Muslims had visited Mecca once to try to perform Pilgrimage which was denied by Abu-Sufyan etc. In three of the descriptions of the Prophets migration to Medina, the first visit for pilgrimage and the conquest of Mecca, the traimvel narrations do not point towards such a large distance (from Madina to Petra).
Also, Muslims, starting from the life of the Prophet, annually visited Mecca and people repeated this pilgrimage several times for years. So it is not possible that the location of Mecca can change.
First off Petra was not Mecca this guy Gibson is in total error guessing. He is guessing because he knows that modern day Mecca is not ancient Mecca. So he trying to guess at an important place that it could be. But he is wrong. He is right that modern Mecca and ancient Mecca are not the same place. The descriptions do not fit modern Mecca. Modern Jerusalem also is not ancient Jerusalem and they have not found any of the biblical stone cities. These place dont just disappear. And its not that they disappeared, they were never there, but some where else. These cities were hidden including the ancient biblical cites and Mecca. When you read the book When Rocks Cry Out by Horace Butler you will see where these stones cities still stand in the americas! Yes, it sounds impossible but the proof is having the stone cities! If you cant find the ancient stone cities and historical monuments like the Kaaba then you don't have the ancient geographic locations of these places.
@@brianglisson968 well said.
@@brianglisson968 You’re saying that precolumbian ruins in the Americans are actually biblical locations? How high are you dude?
@@kill_em_dafoe Thats Horace Butler's research that he found and wrote about, in HIS book 'When Rocks Cry Out' not mine. Read that book first then you can talk about it. Right now you have NO idea and dont have the knowledge to even argue against or for it! You dont know that Adam is not the first man in existence but the first of the creation of the Egyptian Empire after he gathered and combined the scattered groups/tribes to defeat his own real fathers empire. You also have no idea that Cain and Abel are the other names for Khonsu and Bel(Ausar) and that they are the sons of Amen their father who is 'Ed'Amen, "ADAM" You dont know that when the biblical records states that Jerusalem was in a high Mountain surrounded about. that those hills over their in todays so called Jerusalem are not it. So yes, modern ancient egypt that was built after they left and fled the Americas, on its walls and records are talking about their dawn and beginnings in South America where Amens temple was in the high mountains of Peru.
Avi Lipkin the Jewish historian claimed that
Prophet Moses did pilgrimage to Mecca in his book "Return to Mecca" which was in the Arabian deserts. He also claimed Jethro was the high priest of the Cube / Ka"aba and Moses was married to Jethro's daughter.
The Phylacteries that Orthodox Jews put on their heads or arms are replicas of the Cube/ Ka'aba. The time of his
pilgrimage was during the Israelites' sojourn in the Arabian desert for 38 years followed by 2 years in the deserts just to the east of Jordan River. Please google for the image of the phylactery.
It is a great documentary.
The Sunnis and Shias split started after 632 AD and since then, each side only agrees with the other on religious and sacred changes that happened when the prophet was still alive, e.g. they both fast during the holy month of Ramadan. They both perform hajj. They both celebrate Eid ul Adha & Eid ul Fitr. After the prophet however, the Sunnis and Shias only agreed, sometimes on military change or political change, e.g. during wars. They never agreed on a single sacred change, till date. E.g. the Shias visit Imam Husayn Shrine in Karbala which is sacred up till today, while the Sunnis refused. Sunnis break their fast at sunset, when the sun is no longer visible, but there is still light in the sky which is sacred, but the Shias refused. They wait until all light has disappeared from the sky before they break their fast, and it goes on.
Now Ibn Zubayr (who was an Umayyad and also a Sunni) showed up, and change the qibla direction to Mecca in the missing year 70 (or 690AD) in Al Tabris's book. The question is: because both Sunnis and Shias today pray while facing Mecca, in what year did the Shias agreed with the Sunnis on that sacred change?
Response to Dan Gibson Claim that Ibn Al Zubair moved Al Kaaba from Petra to Mecca Episode 1 of 11
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Ibn zubayr did what in 690 AD? Care to explain further?
You should read the real history of qibla direction change.
Muhammad and the early Muslims in Medina initially prayed towards Jerusalem, and changed the qibla to face the Kaaba in Mecca in 624 CE.
Lol facts because they not agreeing on nothing
There was no Sunni & Shia in the days of prophet Mohammad PBUH
Go correct your knowledge first
@@wakdoj bro did you even watch the documentary ? lol
🇫🇷As a Christian I’m very impressed by the this man’s research and knowledge and very fascinating to watch of the history of Islam, as so much is still being learned and discovered.
😂😂😂. False research false knowledge. Biased and deceitful conclusion. Here once again “the white man trying his best to rewrite history” you’ll never succeed in this.
Watch - The life of Mohammed (According to Islamic sources)
Scholars for dollars hired to challenge the faith of Islam. This has only made me even more of a believer in Islam.
You are so indoctrinated that you can't even recognize facts. Islam is a poorly crafted lie.
Although I accept all the evidence, I still have questions. What will happen to the well of Zamzam if Abbasia turns the holy city of Petra into Mecca? How would it be possible to remove the well from Petra and bring it to Mecca?
agreed balqis
I think further research might need to be made about the Zamzam well. But my theory is that the Zamzam well would just have always be there and formed naturally. And that the story about Hajar and Ishmael about the well might be just that, stories to justify the existence of the well in an arid area that's seemingly in the middle of nowhere.
And the Maqaam Ibrahim, it's a stone that has an imprint of where the prophet stood when he built the Kaaba. If theories about the stone to be the related with the Black Stone that's descended from heaven is correct. Then I think that it might be coming from the same meteorite where the Black Stone comes from. Which matches the description that it's a stone that comes from heaven which can be interpreted as fallen from the sky, in other words, a meteor. Which then we can admit that the stone is definitely not of earth origin.
But this is just my baseless theory, and I think further research needs to be made about it.
I am a muslim, but I don't practice my religion through blind faith. I approach my religion through scientific views and always make sense of things using common sense and with historical socio-cultural contexts.
@@NeoKingArthur this kind of confussion about the kiblah already predicted and answered in the Quran. This make me realize how amazing The Quran is. So regretful that i am not a perfect moslem, yet. Sorry bad english. 😂😂
ARE THEY TWO OIL WELLS?
Please view this explanation by Avi Lipkin, a Jew on Moses pilgrimage to Mecca at ruclips.net/video/TitVJG70piM/видео.html
سورة إبراهيم{ رَّبَّنَا إِنِّي أَسْكَنتُ مِن ذُرِّيَّتِي بِوَادٍ غَيْرِ ذِي زَرْعٍ عِندَ بَيْتِكَ الْمُحَرَّمِ رَبَّنَا لِيُقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ فَاجْعَلْ أَفْئِدَةً مِّنَ النَّاسِ تَهْوِي إِلَيْهِمْ وَارْزُقْهُم مِّنَ الثَّمَرَاتِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَشْكُرُونَ (37)}، وهنا يوصف مكان البيت المحرم أنه وادي ليس فيه زرع ولا شجر، وهذا هو وصف مكة التي في الحجاز.
هذا دليل من القرآن الكريم ان مكة ليست ذات زرع وان الكعبة الموجودة الآن هي التي بناها ابراهيم عليه السلام, لا تنخدعوا لانه اتى باعرابي لايفهم شي عن دينه بان يثبت مزاعمه لديكم يا مسلمون.
وقد دعا سيدنا إبراهيم الله أن يرزق أهل هذا البلد من الثمرات، وكما يفسر الباحث الإسلامي الدكتور عدنان إبراهيم، أن الثمرات إما تزرع أو تجتبى من خارج البلد، وهذا ما كان في قوله تعالى: { وَقَالُوا إِن نَّتَّبِعِ الْهُدَىٰ مَعَكَ نُتَخَطَّفْ مِنْ أَرْضِنَا ۚ أَوَلَمْ نُمَكِّن لَّهُمْ حَرَمًا آمِنًا يُجْبَىٰ إِلَيْهِ ثَمَرَاتُ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ رِّزْقًا مِّن لَّدُنَّا وَلَٰكِنَّ أَكْثَرَهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ (57)} سورة القصص
OK! lets use old resources to know where was Muhammad born ? and who are his ancestors ?
These resources before he was born hhhhhhhhaaa
Old Testament
Isaiah 21 :
13:An oracle concerning Arabia: You caravans of Dedanites, who camp in the thickets of Arabia
14:bring water for the thirsty; you who live in Tema, bring food for the fugitives.
Tema is in Saudi Arabia "تيماء"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tayma
Genesis 25
13:And these were the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: The firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; then Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam
Kedar is Ishmael's son
Isaiah 42
11:Let the wilderness and its cities lift up their voice, The villages that Kedar inhabits. Let the inhabitants of Sela sing, Let them shout from the top of the mountains.
mountain Sela is in Saudi Arabia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sela_(Saudi_Arabia)
جزاک اللہ۔
@@user-bj8ni2wo6o that is not muhamed
read harry potter, much muhamed there
and there is a muhamed in that disney movie
but muhamed is not mentioned in holy books
@@worfoz shut up
Brilliant documentary. A lot of work and very fascinating thanks.
yes, while they were travelling around Saudi gathering all evidence, I believe the gov thought they were just random tourists or whatever....I'm sure had the Saudi gov know what they were doing, they would be imprisoned or not even let in the country.
I disagree with this theory, Islam forbids Statutes of living things, which even now exist in Petra. The pilgrimage to a holy city could not have existed in a city still containing statue of living things when they are clearly forbidden in the Quran.
Archeological evidences show the true Mecca 🕋 location was at Washington DC , Capitol Hill.
Who would have known!?
Haha, nice one! On the real though, I think there is a huge disconnect for any Muslim that learned objectively. Things just don't connect. Don't know if the video is right... But it connects way better than the agenda we have today.
@@aliyuolalekan8276 I’m born and raised muslim , I’m sorry to disappoint you but this video was lie . Quran has never been edit or any change ( word of god ) and we people we know it and we use it on our daily routine.
Simply this’s video mentioned the story against Quran’s story
Hhhhhhhhhhhh
@@K-noise. If it was the words of God, should not you follow every word?
@@K-noise. lie or not has nothing to do with your birth and the way you were raised, I'm also not sure you've read it.. If the Quran is not the same as history, then which one is wrong? All I know is: history and fact is very stubborn
This is an endlessly fascinating video. Even the Umayyad mosque in Damascus, although dating back to way before Islam, to this day faces between the two cites mentioned in this video.
Documentary filled with endless lies. No offence but the stupidity in your comment of thinking mosques were around before Islam 🤣🤣🤣
@@theguidancecounsellor2948 I don’t take offense from idiots. Some cities predate all religions and not just Islam, Damascus is one of those. As such, the Umayyad Mosque is an ancient site that once held a temple to the Roman God, Jupiter. The same site was later made into a synagogue, then a church, then, during the Umayyad period, it was made into a mosque.
PS: before you go around calling people stupid, I suggest that you be knowledgeable, cultured, and smart enough so as not to make a fool of yourself.
@@Mrmrnobodymr I didn't call you stupid, I said your comment was because Mosques did not predate Islam. Yes the site at which the mosque is built predates Islam but as it was expanded in size and completely changed, a distinction must be made.
I also don't believe Damascus predates all religion. Pretty sure the Canaanites (if you're referring to this far back) were polytheistic.
@@theguidancecounsellor2948 you contradict yourself wildly. When the site was expanded and changed, the prayer wall of the mosque faced exactly between the two cities of Mecca and Petra and still does so till this day. This proves the video correct and your first comment to be made of ignorance and completely irrelevant.
ruclips.net/video/7JjSVpLSfB8/видео.html
As a muslim, I am convinced. Since my childhood, I always thought there was something not right about the kıbles of the mosques. Thank you Mr. Gibson!
Hi... I'm a Muslim and have just clicked on this video and have not yet watched. I will be doing so and based on the comments I am really looking forward to what I might learn. But I thought I'd take a stab at answering the question in the title before doing so, and from the standpoint of a Muslim. It's extremely important to note that Islam is not a religion of idolatry and thus when we pray and turn towards Mecca it is not in any way a form of worshipping the place or of worshipping the Kaaba or anything else located there. The point of turning towards Mecca is merely done so because it unifies the entire global Islamic community in that we all face the same direction when praying as prescribed. It has nothing to do with the place or artefacts situated there. Ofcourse I have yet to discover what this video may teach me and I look forward to it... I may even add onto this once I've done so, but wanted to give my opinion on the direction issue from a basic understanding as a Muslim....
Wow.... this is indeed a fascinating number of points made.... The research is tremendous and I applaud the work done. I only have one huge issue with the monologue though... It's continuously mentioned that Muslims pray towards the black rock and I disagree with this. Muslims pray toward the Kaaba and the black rock has zero to do with the direction of prayer except that it sits beside the Kaaba. The black rock is just that... a stone... and it should not be misunderstood that we give it any more significance other than it was recorded that the Prophet PBUH was seen to kiss the rock. Many Muslims today don't even know it exists so it has no significance to Islamic belief at all. As for the direction, the rock has nothing to do with it and I'm disappointed that it keeps being mentioned as the direction in which we pray and as if it has huge significance. It doesn't at all.
In conclusion we were ordered to face the qiblah in the direction of the Kaaba... The Kaaba was never moved, just rebuilt in the same location that it was originally built in the time of the Prophet Ebrahim (Or Abraham) PBUH ... We know that's the location because that's where you will find the Zam-Zam well which was uncovered by his wife Hajr in a bid to find water.... Hence I will re-iterate that Muslims have not been praying in the wrong direction since it was prescribed that we face the Kaaba built by Prophet Ebrahim PBUH ;)
As for the archeology showcased I cannot speak to it much and it all is really fascinating. :)
Dear Mr Luke Skywalker..
You forgot to mention the well of Zamzam and the true shape of Kabba, and when has been built for the first time .. Some more points to mention:
1 - Human errors in architecture or locating the direction is possible “ the angle of the sun or the stars would be changed from season to season” never forget that people of Mecca and maddina are not used to building giant structures so you can do the rest of the calculations
2 - Ibn Khaldon the founding Father of modern sociology in his book “muqqadimah” was published in 1377 a.d 800years after the beginning of islam, He talked about the seven regions of old world “ mecca was in the region where non of the great empires of Roman and Persian where interested in because the Arabian peninsula was in chaos, harsh environment and low in resources except the south” so beginning of islam and the unity of arab tribes under one league was a shock.
Man i can talk about that for days,years and century’s 😂 .. with a good montaj documentary and English accent i can convince you that Patato tastes likes strawberry
Many false informations and misquotations, wrong translations , lack of evidence
Indeed... You're definitely right with that last part
Wow! That's a lot of splanning, Sir!
I totally agree that this video is so misleading, or perhaps he was misunderstood.
For the direction of praying, what actually matters is the location of Kaabah, not the city it was in. Kaabah was not built because Mecca was chosen by Prophet Muhammad as a Holy city of Islam, but rather the city was built around Kaabah itself. Not only Kaabah, but also the location of Zam Zam well, the Tomb of Ibrahim, etc.
The founding father of modern sociology 😂 Is that why we have so many rainbows these days?
@@r.l.9986 I think you meant psychology not sociology.. do your research my friend
thanks to this video i prayed in the right direction and i can really feel the difference my prayers are 37% more potent
🤣🤣🤣
I have always faced McDonalds when I prayed & have now been blessed with type 2 diabetes
Haa
@@carpecervisiam9366 LMFAOOOO WTF
dang
Brothers,
Don't be surprised by minor deviation in the direction of the qiblah in early mosques in Islam as people in that era did not have acurate ways of finding the exact direction of qiblah. Even if you are off by few degress and than draw the line of qiblah direction form the mosque to Makkah it will look like a great deviation. Thats' the reason Prophet MUhammad PBUH said :
Ahmad said: Whatever is between the east and the west is qiblah, and a small deviation from the qiblah does not matter, but he has to try to get it right as much as possible. This was also the view of Abu Haneefah. This view is based on the hadeeth in which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whatever is between the east and the west is qiblah.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, who said it is a saheeh hasan hadeeth. End quote.
In al-Muwatta’ of Imam Maalik (4600 it is narrated that ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “Whatever is between the east and the west is qiblah if you face the direction of the House.”
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Sharh al-‘Umdah (2/539): Al-Athram narrated that ‘Umar, ‘Ali and Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “Whatever is between the east and west is qiblah.” And it was narrated from ‘Uthmaan that he said: “How can a man make a mistake with regard to his prayer when whatever is between the east and the west is qiblah, so long as he does not face the east deliberately?” End quote.
You’re not giving them enough credit. They knew exactly what they were doing as they had mastered mathematics, astronomy, etc.
Given the trails of Abraham as described in Genesis, it makes much more sense that the birthplace of Islam would be in what we call Petra, also Saudi Arabian laws requires archaeological research before new structures can be built and there is nothing that dates before 700AD. And if there is nothing there before 700AD, then Mecca can't be the birthplace of Islam.
no old walls no figs no olives
(2:115) And to Allah belongs the east and the west. So wherever you [might] turn, there is the Face of Allah. Indeed, Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.
get an education ,lol
Your allah knows nothing. Repent
Thank you, Karim. And therein lies the true blessing of Islam as the most accurate direction for prayer is a straight line between one's own heart and The One, The Eternal, Self-Sufficient Master. IMHO I believe that all the rest of these debates are driven by Ego and Fear. Please hold firmly to your Faith as Allah (swt) knows your Heart. Alhamduillah.
REFUTATIONS: I carefully examined the documentry and could not find one spec of concrete evidence. Here are six point that come to mind. 1) Becca inscriptions can be found in Petra for pilgrims going to mecca. 2) Mousqes mensioned in the researcher have a deviation of 12 degrees (not accurate but acceptable) and can not be used to direct Qiblas to Petra. 3) Mecca was not historically relavent till the advent of Islam as it was formarly a place for bedouin idole worshippers and had no significant geopolitical involvment in the region. This is why it is not in western maps at the time. 4) The naration of fruits and trees does not necessarily mean fields of greenery and could well be in reference to simple vegetation that grows where ever it rains. Remember Medina not too far from Mecca is known historically as a date tree oasis. 5) Historic evidence clearly shows Mecca (in now called Saudia Arabia) and not in Jordon, see authentic islamic sources. No historic or geological evedince can be found of Muslim pilgrims going to petra. 6) The Abbasi denisty is not historically known to have moved the Qibla from Saudia Arabia to Petra. I can go on for ever but all I can say is may God guide Gibson to the truth.
And indeed, We adorned the lowest heaven with ˹stars like˺ lamps, and made them ˹as missiles˺ for stoning ˹eavesdropping˺ devils, for whom We have also prepared the torment of the Blaze. (SURAH MULK , AYAH 5)
Brother they are day dreaming, from the Time of Prophet Mohammad (SAW) there is not a single hour that someone was not there a scholar or reputable person there in mecca. They feel like its a fairy tale like hinduism or other biblical sources lost for thousands of years now n
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Vry well explained & narrated ek number bro
Vry well said bro 👏
Well said apart from point 5. There are Islamic sources that also point to a kabaa in Yemen and likely Petra.
They should be praying in the direction of Sagittarius A.
The Holy Land for the Abrahamic faiths is Jerusalem, the Abrahamic family tree all pray towards Jerusalem except one, Islam. Muslims used to pray towards Jerusalem, even Mohammed did, until he told them to pray towards the Mecca.
۞ سَيَقُولُ السُّفَهَاءُ مِنَ النَّاسِ مَا وَلَّاهُمْ عَنْ قِبْلَتِهِمُ الَّتِي كَانُوا عَلَيْهَا ۚ قُلْ لِلَّهِ الْمَشْرِقُ وَالْمَغْرِبُ ۚ يَهْدِي مَنْ يَشَاءُ إِلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُسْتَقِيمٍ١٤٢وَكَذَٰلِكَ جَعَلْنَاكُمْ أُمَّةً وَسَطًا لِتَكُونُوا شُهَدَاءَ عَلَى النَّاسِ وَيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ عَلَيْكُمْ شَهِيدًا ۗ وَمَا جَعَلْنَا الْقِبْلَةَ الَّتِي كُنْتَ عَلَيْهَا إِلَّا لِنَعْلَمَ مَنْ يَتَّبِعُ الرَّسُولَ مِمَّنْ يَنْقَلِبُ عَلَىٰ عَقِبَيْهِ ۚ وَإِنْ كَانَتْ لَكَبِيرَةً إِلَّا عَلَى الَّذِينَ هَدَى اللَّهُ ۗ وَمَا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيُضِيعَ إِيمَانَكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ بِالنَّاسِ لَرَءُوفٌ رَحِيمٌ١٤٣
142. The fools (idolators, hypocrites, and Jews) among the people will say: "What has turned them (Muslims) from their Qiblah ﴿prayer direction (towards Jerusalem)﴾ to which they used to face in prayer.'' Say (O Muhammad ): "To Allah belong both, east and the west. He guides whom He wills to the straight way.'' 143. Thus We have made you ﴿true Muslims ـ real believers of Islamic Monotheism, true followers of Prophet Muhammad and his Sunnah (legal ways)﴾, a Wasat (just and the best) nation, that you be witnesses over mankind and the Messenger (Muhammad ) be a witness over you. And We made the Qiblah which you used to face, only to test those who followed the Messenger (Muhammad ) from those who would turn on their heels (i.e., disobey the Messenger). Indeed it was great (heavy, difficult) except for those whom Allah guided. And Allah would never make your faith (prayers) to be lost (i.e., your prayers offered towards Jerusalem). Truly, Allah is full of kindness, the Most Merciful towards mankind.
Changing the Qiblah @ Direction of the Prayer
Imam Al-Bukhari reported that Al-Bara' bin `Azib narrated: "Allah's Messenger offered his prayers facing Bayt Al-Maqdis (Jerusalem) for sixteen or seventeen months, but he wished that he could pray facing the Ka`bah (at Makkah). The first prayer which he offered (facing the Ka`bah) was the `Asr (Afternoon) prayer in the company of some people. Then one of those who had offered that prayer with him, went out and passed by some people in a mosque who were in the bowing position (in Ruku`) during their prayers (facing Jerusalem). He addressed them saying, `By Allah, I bear witness that I have offered prayer with the Prophet facing Makkah (Ka`bah).' Hearing that, those people immediately changed their direction towards the House (Ka`bah) while still as they were (i.e., in the same bowing position). Some Muslims who offered prayer towards the previous Qiblah (Jerusalem) before it was changed towards the House (the Ka`bah in Makkah) had died or had been martyred, and we did not know what to say about them (regarding their prayers towards Jerusalem). Allah then revealed:
﴿وَمَا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيُضِيعَ إِيمَـنَكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ بِالنَّاسِ لَرَءُوفٌ رَّحِيمٌ﴾
(And Allah would never make your faith (prayers) to be lost (i.e., the prayers of those Muslims were valid)) (2:143).''
Al-Bukhari collected this narration, while Muslim collected it using another chain of narrators. Muhammad bin Ishaq reported that Al-Bara' narrated: Allah's Messenger used to offer prayers towards Bayt Al-Maqdis (in Jerusalem), but would keep looking at the sky awaiting Allah's command (to change the Qiblah). Then Allah revealed:
﴿قَدْ نَرَى تَقَلُّبَ وَجْهِكَ فِي السَّمَآءِ فَلَنُوَلِّيَنَّكَ قِبْلَةً تَرْضَاهَا فَوَلِّ وَجْهَكَ شَطْرَ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ﴾
(Verily, We have seen the turning of your (Muhammad's) face towards the heaven. Surely, We shall turn you to a Qiblah (prayer direction) that shall please you, so turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid Al-Haram (at Makkah).) (2:144)
A man from among the Muslims then said, "We wish we could know about those among us who died before the Qiblah was changed (i.e., towards Makkah) and also about our own prayers, that we had performed towards Bayt Al-Maqdis.'' Allah then revealed:
﴿وَمَا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيُضِيعَ إِيمَـنَكُمْ﴾
(And Allah would never make your faith (prayers) to be lost.) (2:143)
The fools among the people, meaning the People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), said, "What made them change the former Qiblah that they used to face'' Allah then revealed:
﴿سَيَقُولُ السُّفَهَآءُ مِنَ النَّاسِ﴾
(The fools (idolators, hypocrites, and Jews) among the people will say...)
until the end of the Ayah.
`Ali bin Abu Talhah related that Ibn `Abbas said: When Allah's Messenger migrated to Al-Madinah, Allah commanded him to face Bayt Al-Maqdis (Jerusalem). The Jews were delighted then. Allah's Messenger faced Jerusalem for over ten months. However, he liked (to offer prayer in the direction of) Prophet Ibrahim's Qiblah (the Ka`bah in Makkah) and used to supplicate to Allah and kept looking up to the sky (awaiting Allah's command in this regard). Allah then revealed:
﴿فَوَلُّواْ وُجُوهَكُمْ شَطْرَهُ﴾
(turn your faces (in prayer) in that direction.) meaning, its direction. The Jews did not like this change and said, "What made them change the Qiblah that they used to face (meaning Jerusalem)'' Allah revealed:
﴿قُل لّلَّهِ الْمَشْرِقُ وَالْمَغْرِبُ يَهْدِى مَن يَشَآءُ إِلَى صِرَطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ﴾
(Say (O Muhammad ): "To Allah belong both, east and the west. He guides whom He wills to the straight way.'')
There are several other Ahadith on this subject. In summary, Allah's Messenger was commanded to face Bayt Al-Maqdis (during the prayer) and he used to offer prayer towards it in Makkah between the two corners (of Ka`bah), so that the Ka`bah would be between him and Bayt Al-Maqdis8. When the Prophet migrated to Al-Madinah, this practice was no longer possible; then Allah commanded him to offer prayer towards Bayt Al-Maqdis, as Ibn Abbas and the majority of the scholars have stated.
Al-Bukhari reported in his Sahih that the news (of the change of Qiblah) was conveyed to some of the Ansar while they were performing the `Asr (Afternoon) prayer towards Bayt Al-Maqdis, upon hearing that, they immediately changed their direction and faced the Ka`bah.
It is reported in the Sahihayn (Al-Bukhari Muslim) that Ibn `Umar narrated: While the people were in Quba' (Mosque) performing the Fajr (Dawn) prayer, a man came and said, "A (part of the) Qur'an was revealed tonight to Allah's Messenger and he was commanded to face the Ka`bah. Therefore, face the Ka`bah. They were facing Ash-Sham, so they turned towards the Ka`bah.
@@nassershehata9689 Lotta repetition in your post. Wish I could connect it to the video.
What .... Am I looking fool to you... I am idolater 😂😂😂
Science and facts win over old script
@@rogeramezquita5685 Seriously...
‘Masjed’ doesn’t mean ‘place of gathering’. It means ‘place to prostrate’. I’m very embarrassed for the researcher who made that silly mistake
also Haraam meaning is holy, almost similar to haram which means forbidden or prohibited. That's why when learning about arabs we must carefully understand the words meaning
@@rizalawaludinmalik2226 both of you could be correct, but in order to let the researcher analyze your arguments you need to provide your reference and the language/ place/ time you derive your meaning from. Otherwise your statements are of no use but for personal opinions.
This is the most detailed history of islam. Muslims will never question their faith.
Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me."
Haram in this context does not mean forbidden. It rather means sacred or sanctuary.
also MASJID means the place of sejoud (prayer) not "Gathering" as he twisted it.
Look Islam is flawless religion that has never changed for centuries so a fellow human being with lots of flaws tells me otherwise i find this appalling realy,Muslims will ignore this particular chapter of your version of mecca. Sorry.
What is the evidence this statement?
The foolish of the people will say: What hath turned them from the qiblah which they formerly observed? Say: Unto Allah belong the East and the West. He guideth whom He will unto a straight path. ~ Quran (2:142)
And to the people who ask "where is the place where Muhammad was born" ?
@@DuncanIdaho1980 is that even a question. He was born in the city of Makkah.
@@matheen8574 Oh c'mon, ofc i know he was, but the whole video is "where was the Mekka in which he was born". So I do really need to reformulate that question ? Sigh ok i will !!! "Where was located the Mekka in which He was born ?", which is precisely the subjet of that video.
Is it more easily understandable that way ?
@@DuncanIdaho1980 hello, this is the answer to your question.
ruclips.net/video/KLIUCrd5hG4/видео.html
Have a nice day.
@@matheen8574 Interresting.
And what makes you think the points developped in this video are more valid that the ones presented by Gibson ? (that's no tricky question, i'm genuinely willing to understand)
Thank you for doing a "scientific research" on the fastest growing religion on earth. Many muslims, if not all of them, would agree with me that it doesn't really matter whether Muhammad was born in Mekkah or in New York, or whether the current location of Mekkah is different from the ancient one or not. Actually, muslims know that the ancient Kaabah was larger in surface than the current one, yet millions and millions of muslims come to visit this holy place every year.
Fastest growing? You mean fastest breeding... According to studies, 99.7% of growth is from high birth rates (Muslims have the highest fertility rate of any religious group) and only 0.3% comes from conversions. Studies also show that most converts leave after a few years. However, because of increasing prosperity, the birth rates are going down :) According to data from the United Nations, Muslim fertility rate has declined from an average of 6.4 births per woman in 1970 to 2.9 births per woman in 2020 (global average was 2.4 in 2020) and the trend continues as people become more educated and have less children, however, the decline in Muslim birth rates has been slower than that of other religious groups.
If you look in some Muslim countries, Iran being a good example as it's over 99% Muslim on paper, the majority of people don't even believe in god. In surveys done in Iran over 60% of people don't believe in any god, more for the educated young people. Islamic clerics are lamenting about avalanches of apostasy, things that you ignore.
A 2017 Pew Research Center survey of U.S. Muslims, using slightly different questions than the 2014 survey, found a similar estimate (24%) of the share of those who were raised Muslim but have left Islam. Among this group, 55% no longer identify with any religion. The number is increasing as more become educated...
@@theastronomer5800no he means fastest growing
@@theastronomer5800growing and breeding lol. What’s wrong with breeding?
@theastronomer5800 he meant growing. I converted.im Mexican
So 2 billions people are wrong. A handful of people were right? What so special about this handful of people? Nothing. Dan tried to make history. History buff.
We dont worship mecca we worship ALLAH !
Jinn children against Angels
Lol a pagan moon god thing
Beautiful answer from another commenter:
"Let me start by the end of the video to give an answer to Timeline’s question why no scholar give damn about answering the theory depicted in the video: no need for a Muslim scholar to debunk it. It’s too wild theory to be taken seriously by a Muslim scholar.
Do you need a history scholar to debunk a theory of moving Jerusalem from a place to another without leaving a several traces in nations history records? Such an event will be stored in the countries records for which this city (Mekka or Jerusalem) matters, whether from the communities for which these cities are holy or from their enemies or from their allies. Don’t you find it more than obvious?
- “Makka was not mentioned before in history till the 6 or 7th century” quote like this one is just outrageous et non-sense : Mekka was known as Mekoba by the ancient Greek at least from the time of Ptolemy in the 2nd Century.
- Makka is known in the history of Arabs as city within an entourage where each place got a name till now (mountains, caves Hiraa’e, cave of Thawr, Safaa, Marwa, roads, entries, ...). All these names are the same from ancient arab poetry to the written record of islamic history to the popular knowledge of people inhabiting Makk, the Hijaz region and the Arabic peninsula. Changing from Petra to Makka is not that easy. Moreover, this would have been a historical event which can be compared in terms of importance to the first revelation of Quran to the Prophet. It’s too holy to be changed like this without tough reaction from Muslims from all around the world. Remember the size of the Arabs empire at this time. No county was able to record such profanation.
- Moroccan Mosques that were built more than 20 years ago give a prayer direction with a small angle of error like the ones shown in the documentary. All the new mosques with the arrival of the adoption and democratization of Mekka-direction compass, are directed toward Mekka with much more precision. It’s the same in other countries I travelled too. So it’s not a new discovery. Ask any muslim about this and they’ll confirm you that.
- Did any historian talk about the Abyssinian invasion of Petra to destroy the Ka’ba? Never ever. For 2 reasons, there was no Ka’ba in Petra. Secondo, The Abyssinian invasion of the Arabic peninsula in the mid of the 6th century AD was targeting Mekka to destroy the holy city of Arabs and force them to adopt the Christian religion (a major church was built by Abyssinian in Yemen meant to replace the holiness of Ka’ba). This historical event is very known by the Arabs who were questioned in Quran about the intervention of God to safeguard the holy city of Mekka (to tell them that the God sending revelation to Muhammed is the same God of the Holy city, the same God of Abraham…).
- The destruction of Quran copies by Othman : the guy tells what suits his theory but let me tell you what he omits: After the death of the Prophet, the 1st Calif Abu Bakr decided to compile the Quran in the order learnt by the Companions from the Prophet. With Omar, the future 2nd Calif, they assigned the mission to a Companion known for his mastering of the Quran in the life of the Prophet (and he was not alone, thousands of those who lived and supported the Prophet knows at least good parts of it by heart). The methodology was strict: they gathered first from the Revelation copyists the supports and materials on which they wrote the verses from the Prophet mouth, then they gathered the best companions who had learnt the Quran by heart and double check what they can recite with what is written in the support and cross-checked the recitations and the quran written supports. The revelation Copyists were Prophet companions in charge of writing down what was revealed to the Prophet each time it happened, they were called together by the Prophet to record it, each-one should write it down on any support he was able to afford - leather, wood, flat rock…Then these materials were stored in the houses of theses Copyists (blockchain principle : to have several distributed copies). We should underline here that the order of verses was taught by the Prophet to the Companions and Quran was given the utmost importance to be learnt by heart with the recitation rules taught by the Prophet. At the end of this process, Abu Bakr and Omar made a complete Quran checked and approved by the closest Companions to the Prophet, this Quran was considered as the Reference and was stored in the house of Hafsa one of the wives of the Prophet (daughter of the 2nd Calif Omar). It’s been stored till Othman the 3rd Calif would need it and then comes what he narrated. Othman did the best solution to make all the Quran copies used by the countries of the large Islamic empire identical to the one stored in the Medina as the Reference : he destroyed the old copies gathered from countries and gave them copies from the Reference. Is there any other solution better than this one to preserve the integrity of the Quran copies? The guy in the video tries through omissions to shade doubts on the Quran authenticity. But why doesn’t he tell the whole story? The Quran is the only religious book known by heart by tens of millions of people on earth since 14th centuries no other book got this preservation control from tampering. I my self know the third of the Quran (20+ Hizb). The Birmingham Quran manuscript, the oldest Quran pages found ever, dated to almost the time of the Prophet proved 100% that the Quran was not tampered : 0 difference between this manuscript and the Quran copies I have home.
- He said that grapes were fruit not common in Mekka but common in Petra : don’t he know that Taif which is 40 miles from Mekka provide such fruit to the holy city? That some wealthy from Mekka at the time of the Prophet got agricultural lands there. There’s in Bukhari book (that he used a lot to choose what to tell to defend his theory) a story about the Prophet going there to ask for the support of Taif’s population leaders, they refused and chased him with stones till his legs got bloody. He hid in a garden where a slave brought him a bunch of grapes the very fruit that the guy used as proof it does not exist in Mekka. Moreover, thanks to its flourishing trade Mekka was wealthy and God in Quran remind the non-believers of Mekka in a chapter of Quran of that gift He bestowed on them. Moreover, “A city in a valley without plantations or agriculture” this is the description of Mekka by Abraham in a verse of the Quran narrating the story of him leaving his 2nd wife and her baby Ishmael in this Valley on the order of God/ALLAH. You can read in the Old Testament that God promised Abraham to make from this baby descendants a great nation. This nation, Arabs, knows the greatness once: thanks to Mohammed the Prophet and the Quran. Big Empire, one of the biggest, big civilization, proof for Atheists of God intervention in Human history.
- Last but not least: The destruction by Arabs of the Alexandria library!? First, the library suffered several fires since it was founded in the 3rd century BC, when the Arabs came the library had suffered long centuries of negligence by the newly Christian roman empire who was no more interested in the pagan philosophy. Papyrus was the main material used for the books of this library and it made them fragile and can’t survive long years if they are not copied regularly. The books were already ruined and useless. Fire was better than throwing them in the Nile, the same Arabs helped promote the sciences from the Greek, Persian and Indian heritage the years after. Secondly Egypt was conquered with minimum battles because the small Muslim army managed to sign peace or submission treaty that protected the rights and the privileges of the Egyptian Copt and Christians. For these last, the library and its books were worthless because no Christian care about it and it's no more financed to me maintained in good condition.
I would cite more proves than that...."
JazakAllah brother for sharing this, I was looking for someone to put light on these facts, I myself had not this much knowledge..
“And no example or similitude do they bring (to oppose or to find fault in you or in this Quran), but We reveal to you the truth (against that similitude or example), and the better explanation thereof” [al-Furqan 25:33].
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
“Here Allah, may He be glorified, tells us that the disbelievers do not produce any rational argument to support their falsehood but He refutes it on the basis of truth, and presents arguments and evidence and examples that offer a better explanation thereof, are more convincing and give a clearer explanation of the truth than their argument and analogy.” (Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa (4/106)
Thank you for posting the truth.
Ahsant. This theory that Mecca isn’t Mecca is very ignorant and nothing but new world order propaganda. This channel has lost my respect and credibility as well as that of any knowledgeable person watching it. Muslims have been in Mecca since Islam. When was Mecca forgotten? Stupidity, sir. And shame on this channel
@@remotAge They shouldn't look to it if its bs. There is evidence suggesting otherwise, in fact it's extremely simple for anyone with half a brain cell. The prophets mosque is still around to this day, and the kaaba aka the black stone that symbolises the centre of mecca and muslim faith has been around since Abraham built it. It is also the direction we pray to... and have been since the time of the Prophet.
@@suleim1357You don't know if it's BS, or the truth, UNTIL you look into it.
People can't face the fact that Islam is active and constant ...all the time...all of these centuries ...we never lost our direction!
Neither did Christians
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As an agnostic I find these kind of docs fascinating. Especially how people in the comments, who supposedly are members of said religion, religion of peace are rude and vile to those that don't agree with their interpretation. Because that's all it is, and interpretation of a story told.
Some people are too sentimental about their religion and seeing something bad or contradicting being said about it hurts and brings out the worst in them !! But as per islamic teachings we are supposed to ignore all other comments and not force anyone in to our views ....islam is a religion peace ..people forget that..i dont agree with this video at all but I'm fine with it..
that's somewhat true to every other member of any religions though. wouldn't you agree? It depends on how you were taught and your upbringing and how actually you are as a human being. True, some forgets the main ideology of how Islam should actually act, but most acknowledged it and actually preaching it even have greater understanding of Islam. Also, some people would react differently when their faith or what they truly believed in is being questioned you shouldn't be surprised about that. I don't know what your faith is, even if you don't believe in any religion, i wouldn't ask since it's not my business and you are free to choose. But i would say you or other people who have the same view or faith as you would react just about the same if the role is reversed here.
I love watching or reading any history, but i think you are smart enough to know that you can't find conclusion by watching just one side of it. I don't agree or disagree with what was said on this video, but i would agree that this is informative and people who actually cares and want to learn like me should try and find more information before drawing any conclusion.
I know your comment is relatively old but i just hope that you managed to read this before drawing any conclusions. Good day 🙂🙂
@@osamasaqib2465 Thank you!! ❤
All indiciations show that Kabba was always in MECCA!
1)Majority of old mosques are built in direction of Mecca,not Petra! Also 1400 years ago they didnt had sophisticated methods to find directions,thats why some mosques are not built in most precise directions,for expl: Grand Mosque of Cordoba is built in direction of Africa!
2)People of Petra spoke Aramaic language while Muhamed a.s spoke Arabic and original Quran is in Arabic! -In University of Birmingham exist copy of Quran which dates from time of Muhamed a.s and that Quran is in Arabic! -There are Quran verses who says the Quran was revealed in Arabic,like Quran ch.Shura v.7 and ch.Yusuf v.2!
3) During lifetime of Muhamed a.s,city of Petra was ruled by Byzantines which had forbidden both idol worship and animal sacrifice,yet history say that Muhamed a.s broke 360 idols that were in Kabba! Also Quran repeatedly refers to idolatry as a contemporary practice, calling the unbelievers to forsake their idols, which they look to for protection (e.g., Quran 2:256-57, 16:36).
4) if Islam’s birthplace was not Southern Hijaz but a Roman Byzantine territory like Petra or Nabataea or Ghassan, or if it was a Persian Sassanid territory like Lakhmid, these great empires would annihilate the new movement at its very beginning, suspecting it as a threat - and we would more likely read the event in some of their records2. Then, as a result, we would not now read traditional Muslim stories like the migration of the Prophet’s early followers from Mecca to Abyssinia (Ethiopia), a much credible scenario as the latter is geographically nearer to Southern Hijaz3 than Petra or Nabataea.
5) if Islam’s birthplace was not Hijaz but Petra or Nabataea - where people spoke Syriac Aramaic, the lingua franca of the region - then the Umayyad caliphate would not establish Arabic language across their Empire as the new lingua franca. Islam’s Hijazi origin is thus clearly evidenced by this replacement of Aramaic by Arabic as the lingua franca. We can witness the latter by an archaeological review of the dated coins and texts from the earlier Islamic centuries and by our observation of the events like massive translation of ancient texts into Arabic and adoption of the Arabic alphabet by contending nations like the Persians.!
6) Here we can read the study of professor David King who refutes the lies of Gibson
www.researchgate.net/publication/330221815_King_The_Petra_fallacy_The_Petra_fallacy_-_Early_mosques_do_face_the_Sacred_Kaaba_in_Mecca_but_Dan_Gibson_doesn't_know_how_Comparing_historical_orientations_with_modern_directions_can_lead_to_false_re
Did you made reseaeched if what he said are true..
Dan Gibson is brilliant in his own right. And I think the saddest part about the Middle East is that every human being on the Earth should be able to see it and that it is so contested and fought over for no reason. It should belong to all religious people. ❤
yoy agree ...how much blood filled the sea ,still fought who is right and wrong.why not peacefull and keep the knowledge for themself to spreading good will and humanity . sad
I agree, he is amazing with his research, and if you think of it we all have a lot more similarities than differences. Some of these important cities of History of Islam he mentioned such as Damascus and Baghdad (Iraq) are now destroyed.
"For no reason" Ay, there's the rub! Religious people have religious reasons to fight other religions.
As David King said,those mosques dont face Petra but face Winter Sunset & Sunrise. Because through them,Muslims tried to find direction of Kabba,Mekka
This is a great example of either believing what a person says or taking what someone says and testing it with actual history. Search for the truth and don't just accept what someone tells you as truth. Good work.
Muslims ignore this. I've also made a rebuttal to this documentary on my channel if you're interested in the other side. Then you can critique fairly
He researched the truth for u. Otherwise, create your own documentry with scientific basis, arheologically speaking. I will wait you for that.
Yeah especially since this is nonsense Good work indeed
Let me start by the end of the video to give an answer to Timeline’s question why no scholar give damn about answering the theory depicted in the video: no need for a Muslim scholar to debunk it. It’s too wild theory to be taken seriously by a Muslim scholar.
Do you need a history scholar to debunk a theory of moving Jerusalem from a place to another without leaving a several traces in nations history records? Such an event will be stored in the countries records for which this city (Mekka or Jerusalem) matters, whether from the communities for which these cities are holy or from their enemies or from their allies. Don’t you find it more than obvious?
- “Makka was not mentioned before in history till the 6 or 7th century” quote like this one is just outrageous et non-sense : Mekka was known as Mekoba by the ancient Greek at least from the time of Ptolemy in the 2nd Century.
- Makka is known in the history of Arabs as city within an entourage where each place got a name till now (mountains, caves Hiraa’e, cave of Thawr, Safaa, Marwa, roads, entries, ...). All these names are the same from ancient arab poetry to the written record of islamic history to the popular knowledge of people inhabiting Makk, the Hijaz region and the Arabic peninsula. Changing from Petra to Makka is not that easy. Moreover, this would have been a historical event which can be compared in terms of importance to the first revelation of Quran to the Prophet. It’s too holy to be changed like this without tough reaction from Muslims from all around the world. Remember the size of the Arabs empire at this time. No county was able to record such profanation.
- Moroccan Mosques that were built more than 20 years ago give a prayer direction with a small angle of error like the ones shown in the documentary. All the new mosques with the arrival of the adoption and democratization of Mekka-direction compass, are directed toward Mekka with much more precision. It’s the same in other countries I travelled too. So it’s not a new discovery. Ask any muslim about this and they’ll confirm you that.
- Did any historian talk about the Abyssinian invasion of Petra to destroy the Ka’ba? Never ever. For 2 reasons, there was no Ka’ba in Petra. Secondo, The Abyssinian invasion of the Arabic peninsula in the mid of the 6th century AD was targeting Mekka to destroy the holy city of Arabs and force them to adopt the Christian religion (a major church was built by Abyssinian in Yemen meant to replace the holiness of Ka’ba). This historical event is very known by the Arabs who were questioned in Quran about the intervention of God to safeguard the holy city of Mekka (to tell them that the God sending revelation to Muhammed is the same God of the Holy city, the same God of Abraham…).
- The destruction of Quran copies by Othman : the guy tells what suits his theory but let me tell you what he omits: After the death of the Prophet, the 1st Calif Abu Bakr decided to compile the Quran in the order learnt by the Companions from the Prophet. With Omar, the future 2nd Calif, they assigned the mission to a Companion known for his mastering of the Quran in the life of the Prophet (and he was not alone, thousands of those who lived and supported the Prophet knows at least good parts of it by heart). The methodology was strict: they gathered first from the Revelation copyists the supports and materials on which they wrote the verses from the Prophet mouth, then they gathered the best companions who had learnt the Quran by heart and double check what they can recite with what is written in the support and cross-checked the recitations and the quran written supports. The revelation Copyists were Prophet companions in charge of writing down what was revealed to the Prophet each time it happened, they were called together by the Prophet to record it, each-one should write it down on any support he was able to afford - leather, wood, flat rock…Then these materials were stored in the houses of theses Copyists (blockchain principle : to have several distributed copies). We should underline here that the order of verses was taught by the Prophet to the Companions and Quran was given the utmost importance to be learnt by heart with the recitation rules taught by the Prophet. At the end of this process, Abu Bakr and Omar made a complete Quran checked and approved by the closest Companions to the Prophet, this Quran was considered as the Reference and was stored in the house of Hafsa one of the wives of the Prophet (daughter of the 2nd Calif Omar). It’s been stored till Othman the 3rd Calif would need it and then comes what he narrated. Othman did the best solution to make all the Quran copies used by the countries of the large Islamic empire identical to the one stored in the Medina as the Reference : he destroyed the old copies gathered from countries and gave them copies from the Reference. Is there any other solution better than this one to preserve the integrity of the Quran copies? The guy in the video tries through omissions to shade doubts on the Quran authenticity. But why doesn’t he tell the whole story? The Quran is the only religious book known by heart by tens of millions of people on earth since 14th centuries no other book got this preservation control from tampering. I my self know the third of the Quran (20+ Hizb). The Birmingham Quran manuscript, the oldest Quran pages found ever, dated to almost the time of the Prophet proved 100% that the Quran was not tampered : 0 difference between this manuscript and the Quran copies I have home.
- He said that grapes were fruit not common in Mekka but common in Petra : don’t he know that Taif which is 40 miles from Mekka provide such fruit to the holy city? That some wealthy from Mekka at the time of the Prophet got agricultural lands there. There’s in Bukhari book (that he used a lot to choose what to tell to defend his theory) a story about the Prophet going there to ask for the support of Taif’s population leaders, they refused and chased him with stones till his legs got bloody. He hid in a garden where a slave brought him a bunch of grapes the very fruit that the guy used as proof it does not exist in Mekka. Moreover, thanks to its flourishing trade Mekka was wealthy and God in Quran remind the non-believers of Mekka in a chapter of Quran of that gift He bestowed on them. Moreover, “A city in a valley without plantations or agriculture” this is the description of Mekka by Abraham in a verse of the Quran narrating the story of him leaving his 2nd wife and her baby Ishmael in this Valley on the order of God/ALLAH. You can read in the Old Testament that God promised Abraham to make from this baby descendants a great nation. This nation, Arabs, knows the greatness once: thanks to Mohammed the Prophet and the Quran. Big Empire, one of the biggest, big civilization, proof for Atheists of God intervention in Human history.
- Last but not least: The destruction by Arabs of the Alexandria library!? First, the library suffered several fires since it was founded in the 3rd century BC, when the Arabs came the library had suffered long centuries of negligence by the newly Christian roman empire who was no more interested in the pagan philosophy. Papyrus was the main material used for the books of this library and it made them fragile and can’t survive long years if they are not copied regularly. The books were already ruined and useless. Fire was better than throwing them in the Nile, the same Arabs helped promote the sciences from the Greek, Persian and Indian heritage the years after. Secondly Egypt was conquered with minimum battles because the small Muslim army managed to sign peace or submission treaty that protected the rights and the privileges of the Egyptian Copt and Christians. For these last, the library and its books were worthless because no Christian care about it and it's no more financed to me maintained in good condition.
I would cite more proves than that, I tried to be as much concise as I can. I think it should be enough for the purpose of answering the last Timeline’s request of Muslim scholars to use their right to answer. Let them focus on other important subjects 😉
@@mhikeefuentes2073 then this is ur answer. ruclips.net/p/PLEJMLhtoQWIRXK9o-hv6eyNXxUpEeb5X_
Allah is a 20cm high moon deity idol located inside the Kaaba , it has the same size as a big toothpaste tube.The difference between the toothpaste tube and Allah is the tootpaste has a function.
This is a highly explosive documentary. Western genius is helping the Muslim world to uncover the truth about Islam and its Prophet. I imagine Muslims would be very reluctant to accept these new studies and continue defending their traditional Islamic narrative. Great film! Hats off to the genius of the western mind!
Look at the comments. So much confidence combined with so little knowledge leads to lots of stupid comments. :-D
Well gives example of our little knowledge and do I care no.i live in this century of advancement equality and would hopefully kick superstition back to Middle Ages eg running around Metroid enclosed by black stone millions feel need to run around the god I believe in do not expect me do that but prey in my heart
@@carolewilson1311 Spot on, Carole. To a greater degree these discussions have much less to do with the Spiritual plane of our being and more to do with ego-gratification concerning who has discerned the ideal religious practice. For years I sought to engage with insightful people concerning individual development of our Spiritual nature. IMHE I have found that there is no such community as true Spiritual growth is an incredibly individual and personal endeavor. Every now and then I cross paths with this or that seeker though these intersects are usually short lived. FWIW
@Tony King your religion cristionarity and hinduism is a cult you idiot filled with nonsense
@@DanishKhan-vu5je your religion cristionarity and hinduism is a cult you idiot filled with nonsense
same is true for your paganism, dear muhamedan
so let's all happily DISrespect each others beliefs
because all beliefs admit that all OTHER beliefs are wrong
I believe we need population control to all of civilizations as means of conservation and future perseverance
Daniel prayed towards Jerusalem. One direction I know I won't miss EVER is praying straight up to heaven.
@Jeriba Shigan zenith
@Jeriba Shigan North.
Stupid comment
Response to Dan Gibson Claim that Ibn Al Zubair moved Al Kaaba from Petra to Mecca Episode 1 of 11
ruclips.net/video/24JX2aeNiaU/видео.html
Australians?
I don't claim any religion, I don't go to church, I just pray to God every day and ask for forgiveness and protection, no leader of a church or religion can dictate my personal relationship with god, I LET GO I AM FREE GOD IS WITH ME!!!!!!!
I believe the Ancient Egyptian Pyramids were originally built as altars, to worship the Elohim Extraterrestrials👽
Bible: Isaiah 19:19 In that day shall there be an altar (pyramid) to the Elohim👽 in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar (obelisk) at the border (of the pyramid) thereof to the Elohim👽.
That's why the pyramids align with the 3 stars of Orion ⭐⭐⭐.
"God" is pagan name, it's from the name Gad, Gad in the bible was a Babylonian God of fortune. Google it! The real Creator YHWH l believe may have been an Extraterrestrial that came to earth thousands of years ago, and according to the Bible's book of Revelation will be back again one day after the evil one known as The Antichrist is revealed.
Isaiah 65:11 But ye are they that forsake me the Elohim YHWH, that forget my holy mountain, and prepare a table offering for Gad, the god of fortune.
I'm so happy that some Christians have finally added the Hebrew word for "god" and "gods" which is "Elohim" to their Bibles.
Berashit (aka Genesis) 1:1 In the beginning ( the) Elohim created the heaven and the earth.
Bereshit (aka Genesis) 1:26 Then Elohim said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness👽.
Genesis 3:8
Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Elohim YHWH as he was 🚶♂️WALKING🚶♂️ in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Elohim YHWH among the trees of the garden.
Yechezkel (aka
Ezekiel ) 1:5 ...within it 🛸 was the form of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: They had the appearance of man ( human) 👽
Yahsuah aka Jesus may have been an Elohim Extraterrestrial, Son of the ET Elohim YHWH 👽
John 10:36 Jesus said "I am the Son of (the) Elohim YHWH" 👽🛸
John 8:14 Jesus " l am not from this world " 🌍✨
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto Jesus, "You are My Lord, and my Elohim"👽.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended🛸 to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend🛸 unto my Father, and your Father; and to my Elohim, and your Elohim👽.
Acts 1:9-10 Now when Jesus had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up🛸, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. They looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up🛸
In our Future...
Revelation 21:2 l saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem ( Spaceship🛸), coming down out of heaven from YHWH Elohim 🛸👽
Revelation 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! Elohim YHWH dwelling place🛸 is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and Elohim YHWH himself will be with them and be their Elohim.
The truth is finally being revealed! And the truth shall set you free! 🛸👽😁👍
{ Our Lord, I have settled some of my descendants in an uncultivated valley near Your sacred House, our Lord, that they may establish prayer. So make hearts among the people incline toward them and provide for them from the fruits that they might be grateful } Verse 37, Surah Ibrahim.
Qur'an mentions makka to be the place where prophet ibrahim(a.s) left his wife hajar(a.s) and son ismail (a.s) according to Allah(s)'s command.
And it mentions about the zamzam water and various hadiths mentions about it. And Ibrahim (a.s) and Ismail (a.s) built the Ka'aba there. Today you could find the zamzam well near Ka'aba. As per this theory that should be fake and there should be the original zamzam in Petra. Where exactly is it?
What about the other cities and places which were mentioned in islamic texts in relations to makka? Did you find the alternatives close to Petra aa well?
The documentary talks about lack of archeological evidence in makkah. What are you expecting? Pieces of ancient mosaic etc like you'd find in Rome or jerusalem? Makkah was a desert city with hardly any long durable structures. It was a small city with economy primarily consisting of agriculture, trade and the pilgrims who'd visit the Ka'aba. It was never an advanced city like Rome or jerusalem before islam and during the time of the prophet(s). Hadiths mentions houses and even mosques built with palm tree leaves and planks etc. It was later after the islamic empire's expansion the city improved.
This video is just a massive conspiracy theory with full of holes that the creator can use as food strainer at home.
I don't believe Muslims are praying in the wrong direction.
They are doing things right. Who cares anyway. At least they give thanks and praises to their God.
Did you not bother watching the entire documentary? They said the Quran was put into text long after Mohammad's death, and also a lot of the other texts were burned. They also point out the word they used was Becca, which the Abbasids could have easily changed the B to Mecca. It's okay to question and not be a blind believer. A true Muslim looks for truth, not ignorance!
They (the disbelievers, the Jews and the Christians) want to extinguish Allah's Light (with which Muhammad has been sent - Islamic Monotheism) with their mouths, but Allah will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the Kafirun (disbelievers) hate (it).
(Soorah Tawbah 9:32)
@@deedee7780 the Qur'an was not put into text long after prophet(pbuh)'s death. His companions used to write it down. It was the physical compilation of it into a book that happened during Usman(a.s)'s time. There were hundreds of people who memorised the Qur'an (just like today there are thousands) Usman (a.s) asked the people to bring the writings of Qur'an and in the leadership of the prophet's(pbuh) companions who learnt and memorized Qur'an from him, it was compiled into a book form. Later the non standardized writings people held were destroyed and the copied compiled books were distributed into various governorates.
The word bakkah is another variation of the name Makkah which is still in the Qur'an denoting the city.
As a Muslim I should only look into sensible arguments. Not a grand conspiracy theory arguing that an entire city along with major landmarks including the ka'aba, the zamzam well etc was re planted to another place hundreds of kilometers away without any historical documents. It's like arguing that Paris was actually in Barcelona. People will ask you about the original Eiffel tower in Barcelona if you come up with such conspiracy theories.
@@farsinroshan3452 I am a Muslim as well, but I don't believe blindly like most Muslim are doing these days. You saw all the evidence in the documentary, which was like an hour long. If you don't see any evidence as ALL of the earlier mosques had qiblas facing Petra, then I have no idea what more evidence you need. The problem with our muslims, is that they have turned the word of the holy Prophet into the opposite and are not practicing the way he had preached. It's pretty sad.
I find it interesting that they could change the direction where they are praying too. Yes basically you get heared when you are praying, but when its an "holy place" shouldnt it be there for ever? For me this feels like changing your roots. Its lying to the thing you believe in when you dont worship the place it started from. Its gets forgotten and then you loose the value it gave to people.
Ehh. We never changed directions. Explain zam zam well, city of medina. Etc mecca is filled with homes and graves and mosques of the prophet's time.
it's also an inintentinal sin to pray in the wrong way, same thing in christianity
this is what happens when you dont understand arabic yet you judge like he expert you are not
Nope, Gibson is lying. even secular historians believe that Petra became part of Roman empire and before Prophet (Sm) even born. So does Gibson wanna say that he born in christian society? Which also contradicts Quran. Moreover, Mecca is located in Petra, and Byzentines, Sassanids and Israelites are like "We pretend, we never heard any Muhammad (Sm) from Petra" (Although he is our enemy)
i wonder why none of them agreed.
"A faction of the people of the Scripture wish they could mislead you. But they do not mislead except themselves, and they perceive [it] not."
"They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike."
These people especially in the comments really tried their hardest to mislead the muslims either openly or subtly but all they can do is to mislead themselves and those who have weak imaan. Like shaytan who whisper to your heart and ears so that you would disbelieve. I'm not surprised there are Muslims who will have a change of heart based on this video alone as they are ignorant of their own religion.
I like how I’ve been to Petra and now watching this documentary just realised I might’ve entered something far more significant than previously thought.
As a Muslim mind blown
This documentary is wrong, just one reason is when prophet conquered the mecca, he destroyed all idolls , how is it that even in his cave are full of idolls! Instead of these study the true islam(shia) to choose it's right or wrong . Islampfr.com
Arshia Rahim thank you for your insight
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@@arshiarahimi7971 chia is not the true islam is sunni ! It was the first! You should be the one informing yourself about Islam.
All that we can learn from such brilliant documentaries is that we should stop taking religious scriptures literally , and start focussing on real issues bothering humanities like global warming , hatred , violence , inequality etc. Debating on whose religion is better is going to lead us nowhere and we are going to be destroyed by our own childish ego.
I've already made a rebuttal to this documentary on my channel for the defensive perspective. Without the acknowledgement of God, nothing is an issue.
@@theguidancecounsellor2948 God has been acknowledged since thousands of year in every form or formless , but the humanity has always suffered as proved by history,
@@theguidancecounsellor2948 Thank you for the rebuttal, much appreciated,
i am sitting here and saying that's not true, why did they stop there and didn't finish the text etc,
Great explanation in your video at 7:42
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i din't know from where do you bgrin this moralities u talking abt when it comes only from religious texts
How can someone believe in mohamad meeting angles 😂
Clearly there is problem:
1)How do you explain the Pagans placing their Idols in the Kaba before the arrrival of Mohammed(SAW).
2) How to explain the attack on the Kaba by Abrahah-Al-Ashram, before the arrivalof Mohammed (SAW).
Well the history also say..makkah is next to thaif...the greeny valley at that time, so u need to find this city called thoif in petra to prove it..
Look at the comments. So much confidence combined with so little knowledge leads to lots of stupid comments. :-D
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@@harriskhan7671 hahaha but he forgot taef
@@prenom8793 jazakallah
He also forgot to mention Badar and Ohad mentioned in Quran the land marks where the battles were fought. Also Zam Zam spring where is that in Petra. And what about the cave of Thaur near Mecca. Did prophet migrate to Madina from Petra? His enemies came from all the way from Petra to fight him near Madina. What about the conquest of Mecca, did prophet all the way back to Petra to conquer it?
As for compiling the Quran. There were only 10 subscribes of Quran called Ashra bubashra who wrote down revelations as soon they were revealed to Prophet and none else was allowed to write down Quran, not even the Ahdith (the sayings of Prophet) were allowed to be written so that it was not mixed with Quran. Mosques built far away from Kaaba couldn't be so accurate because there was no technology to for accurate direction. The error in direction of older mosques is due to the curvature of Earth hence they all face same point at Petra.
@35:00 in: In Hebrew, depending on its spelling and the slight change in pronunciation by that, BEKA can mean either weeping or crack, and as follows: Valley. Locally, the lower Jordan valley is called Ha Beka. From the West, Petra can only be entered through a crack in the rock formation surrounding it.
And the stream "weeps" though the crack. Double entendre ftw
I AM The Daughter Of Heavenly Hosts
You probably smoke alotta “Bekka” then 🤷🏻♂️
@@dennissettlemyre917 Do I know you?
@@ross3818 தி,
There is no right way or wrong way to pray. Pray to God for repentance and forgiveness.
Well ,islamic scholars will strongly disagree with you on this 😂
Belief is not based on facts or truth. So it will never make any difference to believers. But if i am a Jordanian i would ask my government to take up this because changing mecca may not be possible but giving importance to Petra will increase the tourism n one day if scholar's around the world give it the islamic importance then pilgrimage to petra will change Jordan forever.
To be short: it’s all about power
It's all about today's age which is full of lies. Quran it self says Mecca had no water and food While this guy claims Quran says it was cultivated.
@@qinshihuang7576 whats your point?
@@user-zt9ts6vq4m my point is Allah says in Quran Surah Ibrahim while telling the story of Abraham that "Our Lord, I have settled some of my descendants in an uncultivated valley near Your sacred House, our Lord, that they may establish prayer. So make hearts among the people incline toward them and provide for them from the fruits that they might be grateful". While he claims in this documentary that according to Quran they were settled in a cultivated valley which is Petra. But in reality Quran gives us a different story.
@@user-zt9ts6vq4m why was fruit available in Mecca because the Quraish tribe were merchants. And Mecca is also the place where most people use to come after escaping the Roman empire. A slave and also the companion of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) named Suhayb Ar Rumi is a one such example. If he escaped to Petra I think he should've been dead and even Islam should've been crushed by the Roman Emperor.
This video is made to *DESTROY* Islamic History..
The point in this research is that *the original Qibla is Petra,* not Mecca & not Al Aqsa with Evidence : There are several Old Mosques facing their Qibla to Petra (Data Defect)
IN FACT, to judge whether Mecca is now in accordance with the Qur'an or not, it is Very Very Easy :
*1. Is there a tomb of the prophet Abraham near the Kaaba ?*
*2. Is there a spring of Zam-Zam whose water never runs out ? (in Petra there is none)*
Very Very Easy. *Don't Be Fooled.*
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Reading the comment to this production, I find that the main intended audience are non-Muslims in order to persuade them not to follow their curiosity and stay in the dark. But definitely not Muslims!
😂😂😂 don't be insecure 🤣🤣
It is very correct that the intended audience for this video are not the muslims but those who may be drawn towards Islam. For those who want to consider Islam and by any rarest of chances are reluctant because of this video, here is a verse from Quran:
2:177. Righteousness does not consist of turning your faces towards the East and the West. But righteous is he who believes in God, and the Last Day, and the angels, and the Scripture, and the prophets. Who gives money, though dear, to near relatives, and orphans, and the needy, and the homeless, and the beggars, and for the freeing of slaves; those who perform the prayers, and pay the obligatory charity, and fulfill their promise when they promise, and patiently persevere in the face of persecution, hardship, and in the time of conflict. These are the sincere; these are the pious.
@@letmethinkv Oh don't you worry mate, Just take care of yourself. 😌
You stay in Muhammad tent
Devilfish report by this christian zionst in order to cast doubts over the history of Islam and any claims by moslims " Palestinians" over Jerusalem ...... البرنامج السخيف هذا فيه شخصين صهيوني امريكي و يهودي عراقي يجيد اللغه العربيه باللهجه العراقيه على اساس انه كويتي متخرج من الجامعه الاسلاميه بالكويت و لكن العجيب ان هذا الكويتي المسلم لا يعرف تاريخ الاسلام !!!!😁
Not only are they praying in the wrong direction, they are praying in the wrong god!
I was raised in a Hindu family from a Christian mother and father. But after I entered, I received guidance from Allah. When my grandparents went on pilgrimage for a full month, I decided to convert to Islam at the age of 9, but my mother was disappointed. Assalamualaikum to my Muslim friends and brothers from all over the world, greetings of peace and love, I am a Muslim from Bali, Indonesia
God Bless you, peace be with you....
What has this to do with the content of the video?
How unfortunate for you since the the name of the *Judeo/Christian* God's name in Arabic is *Ya'huh* (the oldest know form in Arabic) also *Yahwah/Yahwe (يهوه)* which is from the Hebrew *Yəhōwāh* and/or *Yəhōwāh (יְהֹוָה - "He Causes To Become").* The Islamic god's name is *Allah ( ٱللَّٰه - "the God"),* which is both a title and a proper name, just not for the *"Judeo/Christian" God.*
It's not even an Arabic translation for the Hebrew *Elohim (אֱלֹהִים - "God" plural for greatness),* which strictly a title and not a proper name. in Arabic, the closest term to the Hebrew word would be *ʾālihat ( آلهة - "gods"),"* which is also strictly a title and not a proper name.
So who is *Allah? ( ٱللَّٰه - "the God"),*
*Ēl* also *'Il
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