How Genshin Impact Killed Venti - The Sabotaged Downfall Of The Weakest Archon
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- While the Archons are known for being extremely versatile, Venti has been characterized for his unique niche of decimating clusters of enemies. Over the years however, changes have been made to endgame systems and even domains that effectively undermined his one singular purpose. Today we'll be discussing how the Anemo Archon went from one of the most widely used characters in the game, to potentially not even the best choice for his specialty.
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We need a Pure Fiction for Genshin 💀
Highly agree
He'd make any hunt unit broken if he were in hsr. I'd imagine he would make all enemies on field within a single target range
Floor 11 defend
Pure fiction actually was in Genshin
Those killing enemies and gets point event. They spawn endlessly
Game design at its worst (still the best archon)
Pure fiction in genshin would be like crowds of ranged hilichurls spawning on each corner
4.7 Floor 11: *exists*
Venti: "You must be truly desperate to come to me for help"
YOU DID NOTTTT JUST CALL ME OUT LIKE THAT 😭😭😭😭
This is relatable .. it's enough for me that i can use him in lower floors
But everyone knows deep down that floor 11 doesn't matter any team can clear it. Other than some speedruns in aoe content venti is literally useless.
Venti: "You wanted more challenging Abyss floors. And where did that bring you? Back to me."
Brooo I was having so much trouble stopping all the little mobs from attacking the monolith and so I was like ok it's Venti time. Easy clear first try
In short, Hoyo screwed venti over by making every creature immune to his ability 😥
They screwed him over by releasing him so early 😭
Freeze teams suffer the same fate
tbh i wouldn't be surprised if freeze makes a surprise comeback soon (with the land of cryo coming in a year)
Great balancing as usual by our gacha overlords.
Which is such a scummy business tactic. Why do new archons get such broken kit? Players should get what they pay for.
i´m still sad how dirty they did venti he is my favorite archon
I want them to buff him especially his burst like he can group the larger enemies but cannot lift them up. Also I would like to add one more problem I personally care about is that when you need to go to a certain position just to aim his burst to the enemies.
On abyss 4.6 Floor 12 venti it's more effective then Kazuha
Hoyo phasing Venti out was so obvious in version 2. There was absolutely NO reason for specters to resist crowd control except for pushing players to stop using Venti.
Yeah I really disliked the whole "resisting crowd control" thing, as someone who really loves anemo
They resist crowd control?
I had the idea that I could get them all together with Kazuha E NGL
@@joaopeixoto6224 they changed it later
@@StrawberryDubs I'm glad they did. I remember when specters unable to be crowd control, it was hell to fight if you don't have good catalyst/bow character 💀💀
@@musfirah9341Basically just them trying to sell Yoimiya to Hu Tao users 😂
These mobs need to go on a diet so venti can pick them up again
Yeah too fat 😂
fat shame the mobs! fat shame the mobs! /j
The mechanic is there, Jean reduces the weight of enemies with her charge attack, so does Venti with his E.
If lv 100 is real, and third passive do become a thing, it will be interesting that Venti's burst duration is increased and periodically starts reducing the weight of the enemies in the area, making him able to at least gather heavy enemies and maybe lock down the position of some bosses after being exposed to Venti's pull for like a second or 2.
I saw someone calling the fat fatui mobs "discord moderators"😂
@@milk.8793 So do you want them skinny or not? Make up your mind.
Till this day Venti still dosen't have his 2nd story quest.
They are cooking something epic and worthy.
Venti's lore is and lores surrounding him like his connection to istaroth is very fundamental to the secrets of Tevyat, his second act would be a nuclear of lores and revelations
it’ll come when we finally get a Mondstadt expansion SURELY
It's related to celestia and ishtaroth ..so that would be lot of lore
should be after 6.4
I always say that 2.0 was the version the devs tried to indirectly nerf certain characters and all failed except for Venti
I think they were directly targeting Venti because Venti would literally delete the enemy lineups from Spiral Abyss Floor 12 - what’s supposed to be the toughest content in the game.
They already nerfed him like I remember pretty well they didn't even bother to write it on the English patch note cause Venti constellation were doing like ayaka he was making 3 tornado on field and then it got changed by charged attack being 3 arrow
@@LilGui-ko7hn Especially with freeze
Either Venti breaks the game, or the game breaks him. There is no other way
Help
“Survive or be destroyed, there is no other choice.”
Well you heard them, Hoyo. Buff Venti until he breaks the game, there is no other choice.
@@SeanCrosser Let's go! Venti believers
Kazuha already breaks the game.
I still remember when he was so crazily good man
Never realize how all or nothing Venti is. It is hard to make a content that allow him to shine without making him the only option.
Yeah they made Sucrose and Kazuha pulls to strong
@@kmh4076if venti works in any scenario... He easily becomes more suitable choice...they just couldn't afford to make a character that CC all enemies regardless of their weight ..he would become too powerful for anyone to even come close ..and hoyo just want to sell new banners
@@soujiokita6062 What are you going to say about Furina then?
As a venti enjoyer, the biggest issue imo is his burst not having a variable cast range. Just like Vars says, his burst effectively functions as a "projectile." But, I feel it would be so much easier to use if it can be casted closer or farther from you depending on how close the closest enemy is. Maybe it would end up being detrimental for some players.. but it would make his boss fights a lot easier
@@SignOne Yeah its crazy they don't care if you kill enemy instantly with support characters but they care if you use Venti to pull them. 🤡🤡🤡🤡
As a big Venti fan, I hope he gets some sort of addition eventually.
He is easily one of the most mysterious (playable) characters in the game, and it'd be reallllly dissapointing to have him stay the same the whole time if we get more lore of him
The only thing that could help him is a new level 100 ascencion passive
I wonder how broken Venti would be if they released him nowadays with the Archons' current power standards
He was literally the most broken character at the launch of the game just because of that ulti. He had his time to shine.
@@OgZz73Venti had one patch. Meanwhile, the other 4 are still either dominant or the strongest in their niche. Zhongli is still the go to option to pair with dps that are vulnerable to cc. And Raiden, Nahida, and Furina have all stayed meta since they launched. Venti is the only one the game mechanics themselves outgrew completely
@@drm726 the recent archons will get powercrept in a few yrs too
@@OgZz73 I mean... There's literally only 2 left. How strong could they actually be?
@@kimsonrobinson3171 because the game doesnt stop after teyvat. It continues with even stronger chars ie part 2 honkai impact
I mean Venti still is the best in slot character for his own particular niche, it's just that Hoyo never plays into it anymore outside some events (and occasionally floor 11). The last time we actually got a floor 12 chamber full of small enemies was a lifetime ago
Kazuha and wanderer says hi for traversal and sucrose and Kazuha says hi for ‘gathering’ enemies.
Especially since sucrose is not only a four star but also can buff elemental damage.
He is simply the fine example of mihoyo intentionally fking over characters by nerfing thar utility, like inazuma enemies couldn’t be pulled for the most part and then they conviently released a better unit who CAN drag said enemies.
Kazuha isnt as good as venti for gathering enemies though.@BladeSerph
@@kitnal4143 the emphasis was that Kazuha got special interactions like gathering objects like Klee’s bombs and similar things.
Instead of hot fixing it so it would work with venti’s stuff they ignored it instead of what they did with zhong’dong.
Throw in the fact this was tied into his spammable e skill, means it was way more useful on demand, where venti’s e skill fell into a ditch with how terrible it was in combat value.
Now if only you could ‘shoot in mid air’ or something, then maybe venti could of did aerial shooting or something to GIVE it a unique nature that almost every single CC specific unit fking flipped them off in spades.
Zhongdong has retarded levels of shields and petrify, which means venti straight up got power crept in the first year by another archon.
Nahida straight up said why need to CC, when she can just tether enemies to chain blast them and also had sucrose’s gag of roiding damage out.
Raiden simply existing in both a dps, support and battery role and Furina just basically killing the archon party meme by being both an archon and not an archon at the same time technically.
Imagine how much fking shite the nathlan archon would have todo to kick ANY of the current 4 archon meta party team out of the party, because ain’t no way they gonna pull a fatui moment and NOT make the archons able to synergize with eachother and likely over half the roster rather easily too.
Floor 12 second side this abyss is literally perfect for venti , players just don't wanna try him anymore lol
@@BladeSerph his niche is entirely crowd control and swirl damage output, neither of which have been remotely as strong with any of the characters you named. If we ever get a character that buffs swirl damage, Venti will be the character that's multiple times stronger due to how many swirls he can hit per second.
Just because they also use swirl and/or CC doesn't mean they're better than him at his intended niche, they're only seen as better characters since they have other capabilities that aren't the same role because since Inazuma dropped nearly every enemy has intentionally been designed so that Venti doesn't properly work against them.
What makes swirl good is how many enemies you can group and anemo you can apply for quadratic scaling, of which Venti in an ideal light enemy setup does that better than anyone. Back when Fatui were the strongest enemies in abyss (and floors actually had unique effects/goals) Venti was one of the strongest units period.
Venti not being able to move larger enemies at all is such an intentional nerf to his kit to sell Kazuha.
Not just that actually. Hoyo is actively sabotaging him and wants him to have 0 use outside of exploration.
So he still has purpose, by increasing kazuha sales
@@fernandojoseraquel9150 nope. Hoyo wants him to be completely obsolete- they’re now releasing units that can powercreep him even into exploration
Some bigger enemies still get pulled toward the burst
@@someonesomewhere8658 but only if they’re frozen.
If Venti has million fans, then I'm one of them.
If Venti has one fan, then I'm THAT ONE.
If Venti has no fans, that means I'm dead.
Hey count me me
Bro count me too
I'm here too
Was that franz kafka's reference 😭.
Same here! Venti is still great!
Vars II: Makes a Video About all the archons
Me: Finally. Inner Peace.
I think a slept on problem was that Venti seems like a byproduct of an old design direction for bow users. I feel like they had intended to actually put gameplay in to support aiming and weak-points, but dropped it really early on and never revisited characters that had passives relating to those mechanics.
"One of the strongest elemental bursts in a VACUUM."
Ehe
Ehe te nandayo!
Venti was my first ever 5 star and I have never regretted pulling him. He's helped me through every region of Teyvat and is still a part of my main team. He might not be meta, but I still love him ❤
Venti was my first 5* as well and he helped me immensely throughout my journey. He’s such a cool and fun character and his voicelines never get annoying for me. I have since got him to C6 and several options for weapons (Elegy for the End, Skyward Harp, Polar Star, The Stringless). I really do spoil my Venti. 😂
Can i say that he pulled your heart ?
I got Venti when he reran in version 4.1, and I don’t regret it. I love him, Honestly more than Kazuha.
no reruns happened in 2.1, it was shogun and kokomi
@@saimfaisal6795 sorry, typo. I meant 4.1. Hang on I’ll change it
You mean to say venti isn't aging like wine?
He aged more like milk with how Hoyo is doing.
Venti not being meta is so much in character for him since he's a lazy drunk bump and not being META means less work for him 🤣
He'll be forgotten soon enough
I forgot him for quite a long time but this video reminded me of him 💀@@HexaDecimus
I still use mine in the Abyss.
@@HexaDecimushe kinda has always been at this point ever since 2.0 released
He’s really not a lazy drunk bump tho. It’s just the persona he puts on, Barbatos is a phenomenal actor. Venti is his persona. Barbatos will do anything for the children of Mondstadt, which is why when he awake from his slumber (which he went into because he thought his people did not need him anymore) he directly started to try and solve things with Dvalin
Gotta say, recently I started using Venti again - Im farming artifacts for wanderer, and a team wanderer furina Venti Bennett works wonders.
what artifact set are you using on him?
I've been running this comp with him, Nuvilette, Ganyu, and Barbra in the liyue talent book domain, it feels so busted, i walk in use barbra's skill, start, run over to the exit where the fatui guys spawn in the second wave, use ganyu's burst while the mitachurls run over to me freezing them as soon as they hit barbra's skill, then I use venti's burst and skill, swap to nuvilette and do his skill and start hosing them until the fatui agents spawn and get sucked up and or frozen in place. the hydro resonance boosts nuvilette's damage, venti's burst swirls the cryo, and the way I built them means his and ganyus burst is Always back up, so I can just repeat the process and each run usually only takes about a minute and a half. it wont work everywhere but it works in a lot of places, I think venti+nuvilette is a great combo in general since venti can hold (almost) everything in one spot for nuvilette to powerwash. also who gets called a diet venti all the time? sucrose, who was also one of the 4 stars on nuvilette's banner.
That sounds fun :D! I’ve recently been running him with Layla, siguween, and furina.(probably going to switch Layla out in the future- but the freeze comp is alot of fun to use!) everything is sparkly when battling lolol, and aside from siguween’s bubble gun, Layla jingles when she walks. The only downside is I feel like it takes too much time to use siguween’s bigger healing bubble; since I think I hv to have her at c2 to get a shield when using her charge attack unfortunately. Everyone stays healed enough regardless tho; so I can just throw a bubble and switch. Rn I’ve been doing venti’s burst, then furinas burst and charge, then Laylas burst and charge, then siguweens charge and burst, then repeat.
@@rubyfireplays54 oh, wouldn't you want to switch Layla to a more dps oriented character? Possibly ganyu, Ayaka, wristhley, maybe even kaeya?
@@dannarosita on wanderer I'm farming his signature - it's the set that gives anemo dmg on 2p, but not viridiscent veneer - I can't recall what it's called - as for Venti, I'm using 4p veneer because furina can do a lot of dmg
So much nostalgia in those old venti cutscenes
I've been a Venti main for ages and I'm honestly just really mad about the way Hoyoverse treats him. Like damn no second story quest, basically zero new permanent appearances since 1.0 AND the worst kit out of all the archons. Even worse with the fact that whenever he does appear in events they just dumb him down to "haha hes drunk". Justice for my boy please😔
The thing is he still hasnt had his own chapter like the other archons. Mondstadt's archon quest is labelled as the prologue and its true since it was just an introduction to the game and getting us caught up to the current event in Teyvat. In total that quest was 45 minutes long meanwhile Nahida's was 13 HOURS iirc.
I bet we'll get a Mondstadt chapter soon because with the gateway to Celestia being in Mondstadt, only one person will be able to take us to Celestia and I'm sure this is when we'll see the serious side of Venti aka Barbatos since he especially is weary of Celestia
Wdym? Everytime he appeared in an event it was him giving us clues to advance the plot. He was drunk only once in jean's story quest.
In the CBT version of Genshin Impact, Venti's burst actually had a literal black hole sucking enemies towards it. Looked absolutely stunning.
But its too bright, you can't even see a thing with that burst, good thing they changed it.
Hoyo releases Imaginarium Theather.
Venti: "You couldn't live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me."
Being so strong you have to be nerfed by the devs is an honour, not a curse, Barbatos 🍷
Indirectly nerf to add, imagine a character that the game's opponents is based upon, not even Kazuha or even other meta characters has that power.
Be honest. We all come crawling back to venti when its a monolith floor.
Those monolith floors are just like Pure Fiction, which wants AoE DPS’s and lots of CC.
if I were gonna buff Venti, I would
make the ult spawn to where he is; just make him dash back, similar to Mona's hold skill,
Give Venti a special Charged Attack
like:
While aiming, favorable winds will accumulate on the arrowhead before the arrow is fired. Has different effects based on how long the energy has been charged:
Charge Level 1: Fires off an wind arrow that deals Anemo DMG.
Charge Level 2: Fires off an Echo Arrow that deals AoE Anemo DMG. opponents hit by the Echo arrow will explode dealing additional AoE DMG.
then buff his hold skill, making the casting faster, like around the same speed as Zhongli's hold skill
and give an extra effect like:
When held, Venti Gains the Freeing ballad effect, which will decrease the Echo Arrow's charging time by 70%, grants stagger resistance and allows Venti to attack while gliding. Venti continuously loses stamina while in this state and performing Plunging Attacks will slam Venti to the ground dealing AoE Anemo DMG, give stamina and cancel the effect.
Give Venti a unique animation where the glider flaps like wings.
His A1 passive is now just in his base kit, and replace it with:
Every time Venti hits an opponent with an Echo arrow, reduce the ultimate timer by 5% for every enemy hit, maxing at 60% reduction.
my reasoning for the buffs is that
1. make him a quick swap character that is not just one button (but it is still a viable option)
2. 100% uptime (technically)
3. make the Animo resonance synergize with him
4. makes his Constellations make more sense
5. allows the option of DPS
6. And makes him the best character for applying Swirl
TLDR: Better placement for ult, reworked skill that allows Venti to shoot while gliding, and special arrows that decrease ult cooldown.
He would still be #1 for crowd control but no longer utterly useless with heavy opponents.
Jeesus this was longer than i expected
That's an interesting take, however I would like to add that whenever you tap his E skill, the animation is no longer delayed, he just instantly applies anemo, also with his burst, we should have an option to whether summon his burst on-location by just tapping or holding the Q to aim the burst. Also, I would like to add, maybe we can add a flying mechanic to Venti, better than Wanderer, it doesn't necessarily needed to be a full-time flying mechanic wherein we just need to tap the skill once and he flies permanently but a mechanic like Furina's wherein there's just a limited amount of time wherein he can fly but the reloading duration of the skill is viable that we can click the skill again before the flying skill wears off, that might enable him to fly permanently. Maybe when he's flying, he will release his wings but at the same time, the wings deteriorate over time which might imply the duration of his flying mechanic. If that's too OP, even for me, instead of having him have a better flying mechanic than Wanderer, maybe Hoyo can improve that when he holds his E, he floats in the air as high as Tenshukaku, and we can even use his skill again while we're gliding but the 14s reloading time still remains. That will give him the edge over Wanderer's vertical flying supremacy.
Changing how a character plays completely is crazy, you're turning him into wanderer but with a bow.
He quite literally wouldn't even be the same character.
imagine venti gets a buff a second story AND upgrades in Khaneriah
This is a canon event
Nah hoyo would never.
They would do a reskin of Venti more than buffing him. Pushing more sales. And obviously, if they do this, they'll do the same with the rest, making Venti obsolete again.
@@sylphielyuiagravante i doubt they would. We already have Liyue chapter, Inazuma chapter, Sumeru chaptrr and Fontaine chapter. Mondstat is the only one without a chapter
@@user-fc7st1nu9m Yeah I doubted it too. But it's far more likely than Venti getting buffed.
Venti it's still the only one to have constant suction on an ability. The closest to him is the event effects that make a tornado and CC most enemies
I got lucky and got Kazuha after not even playing the game for three months (during his rerun in 2022) and yet I STILL pulled for Venti, when he got a rerun, simply because I love our Anemo Archon so much.
I think GI really is a game, in which you can pull/build/play any unit you love and you will still be totally fine. One of the reasons why I love this game.
Honestly, would love an end game mode specifically for Venti and all other AOE dps in genshin. It would be just like abyss but this time the time limit is shorter and the number of enemies you kill would give a 3 star rating (0-20 1 star, 21-40 2 stars, and 41-infinity would be 3 stars). This game mode would cater to anemo cc, bloom teams, any aoe dps and freeze teams since it would have the common enemies. The one game I have in mind for reference is Splatoon's Salmon Run.
oh damn international and Nilou are gonna wreck sh*t if there is content that focuses full on AoE.
So basically neuvi's playground like we have right now
That's basically Pure Fiction in HSR. I honestly really want Genshin to start copying HSR's game modes like Simulated Universe, Pure Fiction, etc. because I personally find those modes more fun than Abyss, but I find Genshin's combat more fun than HSR's. Imaginarium Theater (?) looks promising, let's see how that goes
@twinkle_doubtyt I keep hearing about those but because I dont play hsr, I have no idea how a turn based game can have that many different endgames. Can you please give mr a tldr summary of how each one works/is different?
@@pyronado4320 XL and Childe as well.
they can probably release a character that applies a mark to enemies under balanced conditions
that makes them very vulnerable to crowd-control abilities (Venti)
MAKING all floors potentially Venti-able
The balancing would be in HOW the character applies the mark
and from there, the character and Venti can clear floors under a reasonable expectation like the rest of the Archons
My DPS Barbatos would LOVE that!!!
Venti:4 versions in and still no love for the god freedom
What happened? I get jobbed bY signora and suddenly I'm unimportant
I even got replaced by a samurai *hic*
Diluc(from the counter): What is that bard mumbling about?
nah Diluc would be like "Same dude, I got replaced by a scrawny funeral director and a fireworks producer"
@@TheJH1015 least he's relevant than the sable mercenary from sumeru, poor gal doesn't deserved it :( but they are outshined by a 4-star claymore lion-dancer... another product of hoyo's biased view of their nation as a whole
I hope that they will use his 2nd story quest to buff him🤧
posting this video when there are ventiless ppl complaining about floor 11 1 was a funny timing lol
Venti will always have a special place in my heart even if I don't play Genshin anymore.
I hope they somewhat rework his kit. Make it more powerful, or more future proof. If he was simply able to drag and suspend heavy enemies as if they were light enemies that might be all that’s needed. He’s an archon, and compared to the other archons, his usage in abyss is just abysmal.
I really wish they'd rework him to be on par with the other archons (or even just Kazuha and Xianyun) so it wouldn't feel miserable to play my favorite character outside of his one increasingly narrow niche. Double down on the battery or debuffs, constellations that raise his weight limit, tweaking animations so he's at least more fluid in exploration... something so he's at least an option. 💀
If a character gets released that can consistently put out the same amount of stagger as Klee's CAs, but in AoE, Venti might become good again. There's too many enemies in this game that don't get picked up by Venti not because they're too heavy, but because they have some amount of interruption resistance. If you have Klee and Venti, I recommend going around overworld and trying out which enemies can be picked up by Venti's burst, you might be surprised
but venti can't suck klee's bombs compared to sucrose
The Venti is still goated button
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@@Ice_1-q8x best femboy ngl
while he sucks against big mob, he is still the best at CC , I just farmed fungi and while Kazuha / Venti can do similar thing
Venti is still goated , and his burst is still satisfying AF against correct enemy
i love Venti's design gampley and story hoyo could never made me hate him (Venti always saves me in the tower defense part of the abyss because he pulls the enemyes)
Venti took the downfall because he was the strongest. Like if things continued the same way venti will be too strong to powercreep and there will be no need to pull for future characters. Since hoyoverse can't nerf a character directly, they choose the other way around.
13:00 What is the problem of having Venti's pickrate to be 100% Isn't Furina basically picked 100%? Why not let an archon be as strong as the others??? I really want to understand this lol
Well if the archons are made the strongest...then the game can't sell other characters.
Why use any other anemo character when venti is right there.
Rather than make the archons the peak of the elements they make them the peak of a niche associated with the elements.
Venti is the best crowd controller and has some movement with his skill.
Zhongli is the strongest shield and immobilizes mobs with petrification.
Raiden is the nuclear reactor of electro and energizes bursts
Nahida is the ultimate dendro applied and enables all of dendros reactions off field and boost the power of reactions over all.
Furina is vest at manipulating hp and buffs on either healing or any dmg done.
They aren't made to be the strongest of the element but the rather the strongest in the elements niche
I dunno man, Venti is still a beast. My burning-swirl team is awesome with him, Wanderer, Tighnari and Father. Even without this team, he is still one of my best characters 💚🩵
An easy buff I think hoyo can give Venti atp is to just release Barbatos as a playble unit. Either implement a way for Venti to switch between "Venti" and "Barbatos" or create a seperate variant since Venti is just a mask Barbatos wears. Even the other archons don't refer to him as Barbatos, they refer to him as Venti unlike Zhongli's "about Morax", Ei's "about Baal" or even Nahida's "about Buer". The other archons will address eachother by their demon names but no one addresses Venti by his.. that's weird.
In lore, it was stated he's the original wielder of the Skyward Atlas and the Skyward Atlas' description states only he wields the power of the thousand winds.
Barbatos as a playable unit would be a subdps/dps character where he wields his catalyst.
(His silhouette is also in the pages of The Lost Prayers of Sacred Winds when it opens up SO MAKE HIM A CATALYST 😭)
For his skill, tapping will summon wind spirits or spirits of the thousand winds to do coordinated attacks and holding the button makes him extend out his wings and take flight while simultaneously summoning wind spirits.
(He canonically has wings why doesn't he use it 😭)
When he bursts he creates a field of anemo that makes it so sword, polearms and claymore users will be able to swirl with each hit. In the field it also heals allies and increase their attack speed OR reduces their cooldowns.
(I imagine during his fight with Decarabian he did something similar to the Rebellion since they were a bunch of mortals its weird that they were still able to overpower Decarabian in the end.)
Man this would be so frickin cool ngl
Thought of this since inazuma first came out. Creating an alternate persona or character in one package will be very interesting and fun to use
@@futiled9304yeah they do it in their other games. Hi3 and HSR all have that mechanic for some characters. Genshin is the only odd one out. But I think we'll see a more serious side of Venti when he takes us to Celestia which hopefully will come with his own alternate form
So the solution is just release a new character with good kit 💀
@@kakseto8757 more like a more up to date version that plays more into his lore and capable of contending with the current meta as well as the other archons. I don't doubt Hoyo will do something to redeem Venti since he's a very popular character, even in CN
The reason why Venti is not played as much as we before, was because Sumeru and Fontaine had introduced enemies who couldn't be pulled by his burst, and because you need so much ER.
Compared to Kazuha, whose skill can already do what Venti's burst purpose does.
Actually Inazuma was when Venti was less used. Sumeru and Fontaine only added to the pile but not to the same extent
He doesn't need er as his ascension stat is er and just give him a er bow and that's it coz he replenishes 15 energy to himself by his burst
Saying Venti needing much ER is wild
venti does not need that much er lol just slap an er bow on him and you're good to go
Venti doesn’t need that much ERR unless you want to do ult-spamming
He's honestly a S tier for me just because he's so good in domains, exploration, and floors 9-11 in spiral abyss. The fact that people say he's not good just because of floor 12 of spiral abyss is so tone deaf. He's very fun and very easy to use and build.
Anyone also hear The Seven and have a think of The Boys? Also Venti has great ER, can battery other characters through his passive , CC, and decent AOE.
I agree..did not run on er problem with him ever...without er sands or we weapon
@@soujiokita6062 mine has a crit build 😆 with the Stringless
@@shamirk.g.864I have a crit build too! 67/261, 4pc Golden Troupe + anemo dmg, Aqua Simulacra R0, Triple crowned, C2 (aiming for C6)
My Venti can NUKE!!! (Only when he wants to cuz he’s a stubborn menace who doesn’t like to crit 😅)
french venti shoulda come back during fontaine, what a missed opportunity
They should pull a danheng IL with venti and give us an updated venti unit with his second story quest (COPIUM)
7:25 - This is actually false. There are gradations to Venti's effectiveness, it's not just yes/no.
For instance, there are some enemies that can't be ragdolled, but can be dragged for grouping.
There are other enemies that can't normally be dragged, but can if you freeze them/break their poise.
even with unmovable enemies to group : he can apply the anemo set and do lot of swirl.
people underrate him. he still have like 70% of the power of Kazua.
i rlly want a venti imbibitor lunae
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY
Honestly Zhongli is kinda downrated too. There are just still many players who don't feel confident to run shieldless party or weaker shield than him so his usage rate is still high. Thoma, Layla, Kirara, and Baizhu will act like Kazuha to Venti with their other kits despite they have weaker shield and give their elements aura. You need Geo shield breakers? Noelle is packaged into both Geo and Claymore users to break shield faster than Zhongli.
There will be characters you barely will be used but when the situation calls it you will need them or else make the floor harder. 11-1 needs Venti, Geo shield needs Noelle, and Zhongli basically will solve your problem if you keep getting knockback or airbone.
To be fair many things have been overlooked about venti due to it's groupping capabilities.
For exemple, one thing that no one really explored is the aggravate potential of his burst. Both electro tics and swirls can be boosted by aggravate, knowing that he can at least get 3 of each each burst it's damage ramps up really really quickly. To give you an idea I did part 1 of abyss 12-1 without a single ventiable ennemy with venti fischl kazuha and tighnari and it was faster than a classic tighnari fischl nahida beidou! To be fair it is true that I have a c6 venti with skyward harp (4 years of being unlucky as f2p btw xD) but his constellations aren't that important anyways. Except maybe C6 for exactly aggravate stuff.
And yes I am extremely biased toward venti but playing him really is a skill check when the chambers are non ventiable and it makes the game really enjoyable to the point that I prefer playing non ventiable chambers with venti rather than ventiable ones.
Anyways thank to the 3 people that will read this comment.
Sincerely, your local venti otp, eheh ;P
I managed that once and it was incredible but i can be hard when the dendro eats the electro aura
@@StrawberryDubs happy to see someone else having fun with this ^^
There's a way to cheat the aura onto the anemo AoE, if you use nahida normally her aura won't allow the electro aura to stay but if you use dori's ult and use kazuha's ult or skill while linked to the lamp his ult will by default become electro! Thus making everything afterward electro infused.
Another thing is that if you open with venti and then the electro unit and only afterward the dendro unit venti's ult will by default become electro and if you have a second anemo AoE you can keep circling the infusion! Also note that appart from nahida the dendro applications are spaced enough to allow electro to stay on target
I feel I have to reply to prove 3 people actually did read your comment 🤷♂️
venti is most definitely not a weak character, the problem with venti is that he is too strong and as a result hoyo has to intentionally create content which counters him. venti when he works removes any semblance of difficulty from the game and to this day there really isn't any other character who has that effect.
ayaka. they incapacitated freeze because she was too strong and the reaction is broken. i also think it’s giving venti too much credit to say hoyo is “intentionally creating content to counter him.” naturally we will get more bosses and enemies that aren’t hilichurls as time goes on lol. i think zhongli + shield-piercing enemies is a more appropriate example
@@baizhuayaka wasn't the problem, even before Ayaka freeze as a reaction was broken. The most broken team before Ayaka was Morgana which was a Mona/venti/ganyu freeze team.
Also a lot of the content which people believe counter freeze is actually just in place to counter venti, it just so happens that all freezable enemies are also ventiable enemies so freeze also just suffered from having Similar favorable matchups to venti.
@@RafaelBanks69agreed, Ayaka never was the problem. Permafreeze teams imo have one purpose: make enemies susceptible to CC and therefore Venti. Frozen enemies are easier to CC with Venti’s burst.
archons have this prestige of being amazing at what they do, if not the best. they just need to make venti exclusively able to gather all enemies, including the heavy enemies that other groupers can't suck in - and make its duration about as long as zhongli's shield, nahida's mark, raiden's coordinated atk, or furina's summons. a very straightforward but much needed improvement for the anemo archon.
and no, venti wont become "too op/broken" with this change I'm suggesting as this will only be a suction effect on heavy enemies, not a hard cc that prevents them from doing anything like on small enemies. heavy enemies would still be able to perform their attacks while in that vacuum so the player would still need to keep in mind that they can still get hit. kairagis are still able to dash or jump out(same goes for the big churls). ruin guards and drakes can still use their ranged attacks. mirror maidens and fatui operatives can still teleport out. elite eremites are still able to use their ranged attacks and summons, etc.
Im a day one player, i never picked Kazuha and im very happy with Venti. Hes VV always works, he still can move even big freezed mobs. He can pull lectors together. And prolonged off field swirls helps even on bosses. He is with me in 70% of abysses.
Who could have predicted that out of all the characters from Mondstadt only 4☆'s would stand the test if time?
Bennet, FIschl, Succrose, even Noelle have all remained good and gotten better while the 5☆'s fell off. Shoutout to Diluc who did get a buff eventually.
But Raiden is good? Not really. At C0 she can't DPS, a HB trigger Kuki is better and no party will slot her in only for the energy charge.
I've seen many argue the reason we never got another CC after Kazuha is that Mihoyo knows if they add more Venti will be even more useless.
Despite him being the first 5 star character, venti's second archon quest hasn't arrived till now... Even though he's quite weak with the arrival of Kazuha, i think he's hiding his true power and motives from all. I think he'd help the primordial one against us but he needs us for something crucial that's why he gave his blessing. You can see this in game also as most of the time when were in lifa and death situation, always Anemo characters are those who save us out of it. That's why i think hoyo isn't giving his second archon quest as he has some bigger plans going on behind us . Better watch out for him.
Also to mention the fact that an anemo character never rescued us in Fontaine because we were never in any real danger. The main threat in Fontaine was the primordial water which, at the time, only affected oceanids. So far in Mondstadt and Fontaine we've been the safest.
considering chinese laws im happy that they didnt delete him from the game at all lmao
Venti needs a buff, period. Not because he is not strong, but because he’s the only Archon that doesn’t follow the main rule why Archons are universally useful: passive elemental application with elemental skill, that has longer duration than cooldown. That’s it. Everyone else has it, after him. We can debate about the utility of elemental application of Zhongli, but still he follows the same rule, as any other Archon after him. Immagine a Venti elemental skill that shots Anemo arrows every X second for Y seconds, combined with VV set. He would come back, no matter the damage, just for the immense utility… My 2 cents.
Venti's skill should be him summoning wind spirits or "spirits of the thousand winds" which does coordinated anemo attacks like fischl or furina. There isn't any other anemo character that does this. The closest is Lynette
Holding the skill makes him expand his wings and take flight
@@user-fc7st1nu9m that would be very nice, especially for wanderer teams where both wanderer and Venti benefit alot from Faruzan.
If Venti was released today, his E would have two charges, his Q would be the size of Kazuha Slash while also raising EM. It would also have nearly 100% uptime. So he'd be an EM buffer, VV shredder and crowd control master. You can use him for reactions too because you can basically have 100% uptime with whatever element you've swirled. And to make it extra overpowered, Q would have a holdable version where it travels with the active party member instead of being stationary.
The only reason why venti is dying is because genshit is getting overshadowed by wuwa😂
Hoping for a HUGE venti buff after his 2nd story quest (hopefully) since he is one of the original seven and should be more powerful than Kazuha lore wise
The only Archon to be power crept in their own element
Raiden is arguably also powercrept in her element with Clorindes release
@@trickmonster7905 Clorinde only powercreeps Raiden as on-field DPS, which is not the only thing Raiden does. It's the same as saying Alhaitham powercrept Nahida because he deals more damage than her, which is absolutely not true.
@@davidamasceno7737 alright fine. Kuki powercrept her then 💀
@@trickmonster7905 Kuki does not powercreep Raiden sub-DPS 💀
@@silverstrikev8868 hyperbloom trigger
And in what world is Raiden a sub dps 💀 her skill does not do enough dmg for that
Yae Miko and Fischl got the electro sub dps covered 🤭
Raiden is in a similar space like ayato. Jack of all trades master of none
The fall of Venti and the rise of Kazuha.
I bet if they release Venti after Zhongli, he would have been better. They would probably change some things with Ventis kit before release it him, that is if Zhongli got buffed.
To add on that, when was the last time Hoyo introduced an anemo character with a decently strong CC? To this day, Sucrose, Venti and Kazuha are the only anemo characters able to consistently crowd control enemies. Heizou's and Faruzan's aren't strong enough and they serve as a decent bonus rather than an integral ability. I think Hoyo really doesn't want players to abuse this mechanic anymore. Honestly, it is a braindead easy mechanic to abuse. I used to main this team: Diona for cryo application and EM buff and the shield and heals were nice bonuses, then comes Sucrose, Kazuha and Venti all full EM build but with the VV set. Even with the VV set which is bad in this team, they used to kill everything with button mashing. No dodging, no running nothing. Just spam skill and burst and watch the enemies never hit the ground. It was tons of fun!
New floor 11
Wtf U saying man😅
Venti is still really good. Used him plenty last few abyss cycles. Even if he cant full pull ebemies into the air he can group them enough for other characters to be able to burst them down. Plus still provides all the buffs
Venti really needs a complete kit overhaul. Especially his passives and area of effect for skill needs to change. He needs to be better than kazuha
Venti is still useful for speeding through floor 9 to 11; sometimes I also use Venti/Rosaria/Ganyu/Sucrose (2x anemo/cryo aoe) for combat events where there's a cryo buff.
Zhongli is kinda bad to play imo, he puts a pillar that gets in the way, and his cast time takes too long that the mobs get free hits, teleport away (the new anemo/bond_of_life fatui agent), shield up (remember the cryo cicin mage? also husks), or freeze/slow you (cryo/hydro primo_geovishap/abyss_heralds).
I've been a Zhongli main since his first banner (f2p), and every abyss starting from 3years ago was barely squeezing by for 36stars.
If it wasn't for hyperbloom and some Furina investment to bring back vaporize, I would've fallen off.
I could even see Kazuha national falling off (in general) from it's subpar performance in the Saurian Shaped Search event (national can't get plat at all, but it was so easy for Neuvillette/Arlecchino(c0) hyper that literally everyone was doing it with 20-30sec to spare).
Funnily enough, just yesterday I needed an archer for an overworld puzzle and used Venti. It was nostalgic to use him again! I ran around as him for a while just because I missed his swishy cape and little beret. 🥺😭
Ehe Te Nandayo?!
for me venti is bad because of the height of his vortex is too high. it makes melee difficult to damage sucked up enemies. even though new enemies wont get suck up but they do get suck in ,makes it ok. if hoyo adjust the vortex height it makes him consistent for melee main dps team cop but not op which is good for new end game content that is not specific to a mechanic and play style
Ventis c1 should have just allowed him to create a windcurrent with a tap with a maximum of 1 or two on field at a time.
He would be way more valuable as a plumge enabler if you didnt have to waste your whole rotation wating for him to muster up the power to create one then have him auto fly and the plunge himself down.
No matter the combat end of things, I still will always find him useful for exploration. The fact that his updraft lasts for a while is something I find quite useful.
A while ago I quit Genshin and told my friend I’ll redownload it once Hoyo gives Venti more content in something other than an event. Started out as a joke but now I don’t think I’ll be playing Genshin again until the game’s about to end
We'll eventually return to Mondstadt because after the archon quest in Mondstadt, Venti told us to return after we explore to other regions. His statue is also the gateway to Celestia so his chapter/2nd story quest will likely take us to Celestia. Atp, I hope hoyo takes the opportunity to buff Venti in some way
HE WOULD BE FINE IF HE HAD 100 UP TIME AND PICK UP EVERY ENEMY EXCEPT BOSSES AND BIG AUTOMATONS
I‘m not a day one player but ever since I got him, I build him as a main dps. He recently made 100k+ with his updraft and I’m not ashamed of the time that took me to farm for him :3
I've been actively playing the game since 2020, and after almost four years, his character design has finally grown on me completely. I'm eagerly waiting for his rerun banner, no matter what! 😤
Pretty much all the Mondstadt characters kits are bad. They all have a major downside. Ex, Klee is super powerful, but squishy. Albedo is an amazing but his flower doesn't land on every surface, Mika released much later but his kit supports physical which is a useless reaction in the game so far.
not all characters though, but even the good ones are kind of average.
Mona nowadays is mostly a nuke Showcase
Diluc at least has gotten better thanks to Xianyun even if he's still worse than Hu Tao
Furina buffed Jean but gradually fallen of now with Xianyun
Either:
1. reintroduce a sh*t ton of new strong but crowd controllable enemies in natlan, snezhnaya and khanri'ah
2. rip off honkai star rail's pure fiction mode and add a new endgame with hordes of weak enemies and win conditions around CC and AOE
3.5:buff him (they'll never do that)
3.give venti a secend form
(like the traveler in genshin or trailblazer, march 7th or imbabitor lune dan heng from star rail) , his lore accurate weapon isn't even the bow, it's the skyward atlas catalyst+ the lyre he has so give us a Barbados form as a catalyst user with different move sets
In lore zhongli also uses a spear , Ei uses both a sword and a spear so , nahida/rukedavata use(s/ed) a catalyst/nothing so all archons have lore accurate weapons exept venti (he also used the skyward pride bow but it's not his main lore weapon)
Solution: Make a Venti Pure Fiction. Genshin, make more content. Stop putting so much work on events that last 20 days. Make permanent content.
Venti is so good in what he does that HYV have to powercrept him by heavier enemies
As long as Floor 11 remains, Venti will always have a throne 😅
"the downfall of venti"
okey, but when you make video about "the downfall of genshin"?
only old players quit. genshin is getting a peak of active players every month
its not gonna have a downfall anytime soon
Venti being the weakest Archon is very lore accurate.
It isnt are u dumb😂
But he isn’t tho? Venti said he is the weakest while comparing himself to Greater lord rhukadevatta and Focalors , but rn the current hydro archon ( furina) and dendro archon (nahida-lesser lord kusanali) are weaker to venti
@@therobloxhatcher6401 fontaine doesn't have a archon
@@therobloxhatcher6401 Furina is not the real Hydro Archon so she doesn't count (she didn't even have Hydro powers until she got her vision). Nahida is debatable because while she's not a fighter, she did contribute a lot in defeating Scaramouche while Venti struggled against Signora.
@@therobloxhatcher6401there's no hydro archon anymore
I mean they could make the targeting of venti's ult better. Like the ult would be place where it will affect the most amount of enemies not the closest. Maybe add a bit of defense shred or decrease stamina consumption on all party member for the during of venti's ult's.
I started playing after Kazuha was released and every video I watched people picked Kazuha over Venti. I have never thought of pulling Venti. Heck even made my list of "Characters I won't pull." - But then I got to play a certain team on a friend's account.
Arlecchino, Albedo, Ganyu, Venti. (Albedo because the Whimsy domain needs Geo, and he had that team on, and I just used that team), and boy oh boy even though Venti isn't really good in that domain, I really started appreciating Burst DPS Ganyu and Venti with Arlecchino.
I might pull Venti during the 5.0 archon rerun spree if the other character isn't too compelling.
I pulled him in 4.1 even though I had kazuha since release..i just love anemo characters
People forget that Venti is still the best crowd control for his niche. The only reason they pick Kazuha is for damage buffing. It annoys me when people say Kazuha> Venti. Yes for buffing but not for crowd control. I care about crowd control.
@@equinoxflowersofcenturysen5881Unfortunately - unlike many PvP games - Genshin is not balanced around CC, so grouping and even Freeze often only work against negligible enemies, it's not needed and even when it's great it only helps simplify and expedite the elimination process.
VENTI-LATORS!!!!!!! GOOO BRRRR!!!!!!
still love him regardless
I feel like Venti's situation right now is really accurate!
In lore, he lets the people do whatever they want and only steps in when his help is needed which strongly reflects how he's 0-100! He either doesn't help much and let the people have freedom or be a really strong protector! I'm a Venti main and though it sucks to have him like this, I'm actually quite happy that this is his situation as a playable character.
yea you could argue that each archon powers reflects on their story. While Ei is everything in her region (She rules everything and has absolute power, and her people need her) it reflects on her being flexible to her team needs. Zhongli is the protector of liyue and can calm down both adeptus/gods and humans even in dire situations, reflecting his shield and ult synergizing with the team. Nahida is self-explanatory and Furina is not an archon nor is neuvi
really liked this theory
Venti reminds me so much of herta
Powerful beings that are so subpar in gameplay but lives up to their titles in 1 niche. we need an endgame mode where venti can shine like what they did with herta and purefiction
"there hasnt been a single shielder close to zhongli"
layla: *honey im not even here, i dont exist*
Genshin has been out for how many years for him to drop now isnt that scary he held off power creep for years
The decline started as soon as Kazuha and Inazuma dropped though.