Let's Talk About Design - (a different) Chris' Dining Room Table
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
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Another Chris wrote to me looking for advice on a dining room table he's been working on. His wife wants a rounded top and he is having trouble blending that in with a more geometric base. For this video I took a different approach by modeling and recording my thoughts at the same time.
This is not meant to be a sketchup tutorial. Instead, it is more about my thought process while designing things.
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Love the new style! Learned some tips about SketchUp and design :)
Thanks E&K :-)
I loved seeing the process you went through to make the changes. Another thing to consider may be to add a subtle curve to the long sides of the top as well. That's actually what I thought you were going to do when you added the curve to the short sides
Nicely done Chris. I always enjoy watching someone else work through the design process.
I feel like a subtle arc along the long sides of the table top can really elevate the whole piece.
You have a gift Chris. To take an existing piece and completely transform it yet stay true to the original style in the amount of time you did was awesome! You have got to be my fav woodworking designer. Thanks for the awesome content
Thanks Trever...glad you find it helpful :)
I like the way you think.
It doesn't matter if we always agree on final design as taste varies, but your process is brilliant.
Thanks for sharing.
Indeed Randall...Thanks!
this isn't boring at all...I could watch you design for hours!
Thanks Big J
Chris,
This was a REALLY cool video. When I design, I often feel like I completely abandon the "bad ideas" I come up with, as opposed to working through them to make something pleasing. Your previous design videos have enlightened me to work through my designs more, but I really liked the added level of showing yourself actually working through the design in Sketchup. I hope you do more videos like this in the future!
Thanks Antoine. I plan to for sure :)
Nice exploration Chris. Like where the base was heading. Enjoying this series!
Watching this made me feel very insecure about my SketchUp skills. Could you do a 'most used features' video about what shortcuts you use?
Love your work :)
philip james I don't even know the software but I'm curious too, seems very intuitive
I tried to learn sketchup. The basics are pretty easy, until you start trying to add joinery to your piece. I'm much faster at just drawing out what I'm thinking.
Go look up Jay Bates sketchup for woodworkers series.
Thanks Philip. There are lots of good tutorials out there already, but I may do something like this eventually. My number one tip is use "components" that makes life much easier and work much faster. :-)
Nice, thanks for the suggestion.
You solved the first problem I had which was 'Where are everybody's knees going to go?' Assuming it's to sit six people the folks on the long edges would be bashing their knees against those legs. The bevel was a smart move, too.
This was one of the best videos I've ever watched! Thank you for the insight on how you design furniture! Love your channel.
I love the real-time editing of the design! Super helpful to see how the design unfolds.
Thanks Courtney. Just wanted to try something different
I just wanna say that I find your video very relaxing. and I love that you show how you work in sketchup, I enjoyed this video very much. 😊
Thanks Johanne! Appreciate it: -)
Great video! Loved that it was not all planned out and we could really feel your creative brain working. Would love to see more like this!
I like it when you make these videos! More of you on the screen like this with more personality is a good thing! Keep up the good work!
Hi Chris, I have usually found the other videos like this boring but watching go through the process was awesome! I wouldn't be shy about making us bored! I wish it was longer!
These are "low effort" videos but they are exceptionally fun to watch (at least to me). There are not many channels on RUclips that discuss designing process so please make more of them.
Really like the idea of the bevel on the underside
I really like theses "Let's Talk About Design" sessions, thanks for sharing
I like this design video better than the usual format. Incorporating Sketchup was a cool touch 👍🏼
Thats a cool improvement. To futher it, I think your feet would end up kicking the floor brace supports and would get frustrating. Perhaps moving the floor supports about 2/3 up the legs. Or even with some serious mortice and tenon joinery at the top of the legs, only short edge cross braces would be needed.
i agree. and not only youl'd end up kicking the floor brace, but everybody will rest their feet on it and will be al scratched and worned out in no time.
is also a nightmare to vacuum clean, sweep or mop the floor.
the table looks nice but to me functionality is the base of every great design.
Good suggestion Andrew and Juan. Something (the other) Chris should definitely consider and work in if he decides to go this route and as he refines the idea.
oh, chris salomone commented my comment! there i have my 15' of fame.
anyway, your video is great, as ever.
juanaq he once responded to me on Instagram, it's a crazy feeling huh.. I have a sneaking suspicion after listening to him on modern maker that he's actually a real person, it's weird
Hi Chris. I would round over the outermost portion of the legs at the bottom where the verticals meet the horizontals. Otherwise the angularity is (for me) fighting the rounded parts. Love your work. Very inspiring.
You can use the flip along tool to reflect the element along the axis.
I really enjoyed watching your process flow, seeing the little thoughts evolve as you made changes. I think I may use this with my students to help them in their designing with SketchUp, especially the idea of modifying another design to help get them started. I could give them one of my simple designs to change up and individualise. Thanks Damo
I like it!
I really like seeing your thoughts process, that's ace!
This was awesome. Very cool to see your thought and creation process. Would love to see more videos like this.
love to see the design/sketching process... I had to rewind the video a few times just to see again your habilities on the sketchup... thanks
nice changes. I'd bring bottom rails up halfway to allow proper feet, then look at giving legs an s-curve to harmonize with curvaceous top. might go the opposite way with giant 1/3-width radii on top, and maybe even bring it to an inverted curve for extra style points.
How cool is to see a software being used by a pro! I've got that "My name is Ralph" feeling now
Bring the bottom part of the table frame off the ground. it will lighten the whole design visually. Also, use thinner/narrower pieces for the frame.
Super fun to take a look into your design process in real time, enjoyed it!
Damn you can get a whole lot done in 10 minutes Chris! awesome to see your process, really inspiring me to learn and think more about design!
In fairness this was about a 25 min video edited down to 10 mins. I skip parts here and there where I mess up, or things are repetitive and I'm not talking.
love the video, im always fascinate by the creative process. keep making more like it!
Great approach to the original piece.
I think a slight taper (1/2 - 1" over the length) on the legs would add elegance. WIder at the bottom, narrowing to the top. Then maybe throw an adjustable leveler in each foot for an hint of a floating feeling, plus stability as that's a lot of surfaces to get perfectly parallel.
Using slightly smaller stock for the stretchers (both width and thickness) and bringing them a little less than 1/3 of the way up would also help bring things into balance.
Love your videos! I think I've watched like 90% of them in the past month or two. But what I would love to see most is a good how to with sketch up. I know there's a lot of videos out there about how to use it but I use it specifically the same way you do and and love some tips an tricks video or a full sketch up guide. Anyway way love the videos keep them coming 😄
I love the opportunity to see inside the mind of Four Eyes. Great video
Great Job, nice to see the process in real time.
Combining the rounded edges with an arc at the end is a smart move, especially when combined with the bevel.
As for the next steps, as it is, it looks to me like a good first sketch for a coffee table. But as a dinning table, I feel the brace along the floor could get in the way (when placing chairs for instance). Also, if your floor was not absolutely level, you could get a rocking effect. Maybe the bracing could move up the legs a bit, as it would on a traditional table.
Alternatively the bracing could be lifted about an inch off the ground and made from a smaller action than the legs.
Also, how would you go about making the deep bevel on the table top?
Keep up the good work, your videos are a delight to watch!
I could watch these videos all day!
I'm all about that base. I might have to build that.
Aslo i am doing wood work and design for my gcse and your videos have helped me lots thx chris
Could you make more vids like these please..... really love getting to see your design process
I plan to. A little lull, but starting in the new year, they should be a bit more consistent.
This was very interesting. Thank you very much for sharing. I would love a video where you explained a few shortcuts on the way. I do understand teaching sketchup is not your goal here, but watching you work was inspiring to learn the program better.
Can we bring these design sessions back? Love following your thought process.
I like how that turned out I also think the stretcher down the middle connecting to the two 45° stretchers is a good idea at its support and strength and it makes it look good thought the original bottom was too bare with too much going on if that makes any sense.lol what type of wood would you build this table with? if it was something you were putting in your home
4eyes great video, totally want to learn Sketchup now. I've always been a wing it kinda guy with child like drawings. You really show off the power of Sketchup. Look forward to the next one brother!!!
Thanks Patrick. Go for it...it's free!
Looks much better than the original. Good job!
Thanks. I heard an update that they guy is building it too - look forward to seeing him finish.
loves these type of videos Chris!
I'm super into 3D Modeling and building furnitures , love the video haha !
for me its for sure a better dinning table! hope the guy can build such a table!
The bevel definitely makes the top fit
I've tried learning sketch up on a couple of occasions and end up so frustrated learning each thing and forgetting the last thing. So round and round I go!! Haha I'm clearly not the sharpest tool in the workshop! I much prefer just watching you do it
haha...that's fair enough. I think the secret might be to not worry about learning everything - but just figure out the things that you'll use regularly.
I would have to take a week off of work to do what you just did in 10 minutes in sketchup. Nice work man.
Wow. This really took a lot of stress out of the whole "design" approach for me.
I'd usually just get confused and start over with an empty file again and again and .. you get it.
Your video gives me some confidence in just starting over with the original and save it as a copy. What could possibly go wrong there (other than accidentally saving in the original file... :D )
Thanks a lot!
Thanks Oliver!
I think it's important when designing not to force a time frame. I try to get something I like, wait overnight and look at it again. Often a better idea will come to mind as soon as you look at it or you'll get the ole 'what the hell was I thinking' feeling. Do it as many time as it takes to find your sweet spot.
I think maybe move the bottom stretcher up about 3" or so off the floor. Looks sorta cool though.
Good idea!
Loved this video. I have a feeling Chris might be like me in a way; I have way more sketchup files of ideas than I do actual completed projects. It's so much fun getting in there and messing around with various ideas like this. Hopefully I will get around to making most of my ideas one day.
Im in that same boat :-)
Good stuff! Think the radii on the corners need to be a little bit bigger. Could also have done a little spline or a conic rho radius to make the transition a little more natural looking? I know this is like 4 years late, but better late than never?
Now I would love to see a live CAD challenge between you with Sketchup and Ben with his Autodesk suite - especially after he talked trash on the MM Podcast ;)
haha....3 o'clock at the flag pole
thank you a lot for showing how you work in Sketch up!
the bevel was a great idea, I couldn't see it if i was trying to design something
Thanks for sharing your redesign process and thoughts. What do you think about taking that same gentle curve that you created in the top, and finding a way to repeat it in the legs or stretcher?
Thanks Ethan...not a bad idea to play around with :-)
Really cool to see inside your thought process!
I need to spend more time on SketchUp. Great video.
Thanks Mike
Really cool getting to watch your process.
Hey Chris. Love your stuff, and love this design segment. It's so eye-opening to see what a difference a fresh set of eyes and a few tweaks can make. I really like your solution of rotating the legs 45° and eliminating part of the structure. Where I think you went off the rails is with rounding off the top. In my opinion the radius does not marry well with the angled legs. Instead, how about a diagonal cut to narrow the opposing ends of the table top? E.g. the corners would be removed, perhaps a third of the overall length/width? I'm having trouble describing this in words, but essentially you would be creating an eclipse, but with hard angles rather than with smooth radiuses. Make sense?
Hey Steve, makes sense. That's an idea to play with for sure. I did the rounded corners b/c that was one of the original stipulations. If I was designing this myself, it would just be rectangular :-)
This was a really useful process to watch. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed CrumpArt
Great video Chris...Do you think a slight arc on the bottom stretcher might soften the lower design...?
I'm open to the idea :)
I think it looks great
Hey that was really cool seeing how your mind works like that. Big fan, great content.
Amazing how you can just create a shape that becomes a functional thing of beauty.
I sit in front of a blank sketchup page or piece of paper for ages and....... after what seems an eternity I still gaze at the same blank page.
I can make things i see but as far as imagination goes I'm an empty vessel.
That rejig of the table was amazing and done so quickly. Very impressive.
By the way, as you were working through the design I did feel the legs could have been swapped end to end so instead of being wider at the bottom they would be wider at the top. That way people's legs would have more room too.
Could be a stability issue though.
Regards
Alec
Hey Alec, you could definitely try that leg swap...or basically flipping the whole base upside down. As for staring at a blank page...I would suggest just starting to draw anything - even if it sucks...who cares. It's a lot easier to look at something bad and start figuring out what you don't like about it, so that you can change things and get it to where you like it...than it is to just come up with a great design out of nothing. I think it'll be helpful. 5 quick ideas...no pressure. just draw them out.
please do more of "let's talk about design" .. if you discuss the design of your next project and then made a video of the project it would be the most amazing thing ... just a thought :)
You're going to be a happy person soon, because I'm getting ready to bring them back :)
awesome, can't wait :D
I like the design and wish I know how to use sketch up!
You can learn it. Make that wish come true !
good video again u are a great designer! and craftsman
greets from the netherlands
Thanks Greetings from the US!
Certainly much more bearable now. Still feel like the chunky square edges of the legs dont mesh well with the rounded top. Wonder whether some curved stretchers would help with that, or even some bevels on the inside corners of the legs.
Also interested in why you use Sketchup? Personally im quite addicted to Fusion, but always interested to know why people use other things.
Really, it's what I started on, and know. It works really well with the way that I think. But I'm open to trying other things.
Yeah, i watched another of your talk about design videos on the second channel and I see what you mean. I think i think in Fusion because of a history in metalwork and machinery, rather than wood.
Thank you for sharing your process! I thought this was a great video!
the top is much better ;-) it's now a dining room table instead of an outdoor table ;-)
haha...I think a lot of that has to do with the original drawing, and how pronounced the individual boards look :-)
It would be really nice if you could do a SketchUp tutorial. You know, really take us to school on it.
I think I would get rid of the bottom stretcher. The proportions of the legs seem to be large enough that you wouldn't need a bottom stretcher. Assuming you have some good joining methods.
You're probably right.
that is a very interesting approach
This was great! I'd love to see lots more of these LTAD episodes.
Thanks Karl
wonderful improvement!!! Cheers
Looks better for sure.
Nice insight in your process, Thanks! A few considerations: to me, the table legs look a bit small compared to the table' surface. Maybe it looks more interesting it you remove the upper beam? And I would lift the lower beam a few centimeters of the ground so people could slide their feet underneath. Please let me know What you think!
Good idea from a functional point of view for sure.
G’day Chris. Big fan of the channel. Just had a question re. tapered legs. Is there a way to re-inforce tapered legs to avoid needing to have a bottom stretcher? And is dominos the only way to create a joint strong enough to build tapered legs without risking them flailing out when excessive weight is applied to the top of the table? I’m trying to build a dining room table using your original spider table leg design as my inspiration….
Go cubs!! Thx for good info.
Extreme makeover! 👍🏻 Nice job!
modifications seemed to allow for extra seating spaces at each end of the talbe
Great insight (again). Thanks for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed :-)
@Philip James - you took the words out of my mouth, even worse on still using pencil and paper.
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Hey I’m new to woodworking and am starting a dining room table build. Are there sometime or plans you can share on this table?
Thank you Chris that was really interesting and has encouraged my to develop my Sketchup skills
The bevel on the underside of the top made the rounded corners bearable. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Thanks Pedro. Glad you enjoyed!
How about raising the trestle a few inches off the ground? High school design class loves your vid. thanks
An improvement for sure, but feels like a skateboard on top. Love watching your process though. Helps.
I like your approach to it. It makes me happy that my first impressions were similar to yours! (Compliment to me; you may want to hang your head for thinking like me, though!) :-) The stringer was my first thought. Definitely makes the base look more coherent and unified. I think thickening the top would help. For the base, my thought was to lose the diagonals on the outside of the bases, and have a more subtle angle from the legs up to the stringer. For the top, I love your idea of rounding the whole end; I got stuck on just a smaller radius on each corner. Frankly, I'd suggest talking Chris' wife into skipping the rounded corners; barring that you're full-scale rounding is good. Perhaps lose all pretense of subtlety and go for a full oval, w/full half-circles on each end? (Trying to picture it in my mind's eye....no luck. Need to sketch....) Great video! Thanks for letting us in on your thinking! :-)
Thanks Dan...so in this case it is "bad minds think a like?" JK. The other Chris went through with building this, it was pretty close, but i don't remember exactly what he did for the top.
Loved the video! And love the MM podcast
Thanks!
Helpful video, do you use a 3rd part screen capture? I quite like the automatic(?) follow and zoom.
You've mentioned a couple times in your podcast about teaching someone everything they need to know to get started in sketchup in a couple of hours.. Maaaaaybe a video series is in order?
Perhaps.... :)