Just optimize the X3D and have the best gaming performance out of these 3. Find the curve optimizer and set negative values from 20 to 30. Also set the limits to 100 PPT 75 TDC 95 EDC in PBO - the result varies a little but you should see constant 4450Mhz allcore boost with lower temps. With these settings even that cooler can handle the heat easily. Note that the 3D cache is on top of the chip so it becomes hotter than a regular Zen 3/4 but since it is restricted (the X here doesn't mean it is unlocked!) high quality silicon it can even be cooled with a medium aircooler. Even if you want less heat it can outperform the others while pulling down the PPT/EDC a little more.
Thanks, something more for me to try, I may put the 5800X3D back in later. I briefly played with Ryzen Master with all chips. I even accidentally triped the thermal limit on the 3900XT and the CPU reboot the system. I could see the point when the cooler was struggling and when the cooler couldn't keep up. I tried undervolt and PBO settings and while doing it felt off like I spent good money on something and was limitting it. I think it would be fun to use the CPUs on other boards with beefier coolers to see how much I can take it up. Usually the X means unlocked multiplier, but when in Ryzen Master I noticed I had less options with the 5800X3D. I couldn't even disable cores to try to make the 5800X3D run with less. So understand what you mean it's not really an "X". It would have been cool to make the 5800X3D look like a 5600X3D to test... but again why would someone pay for 8 cores to only use 6?
@@nispoe X3Ds in general are not unlocked for OC because they can't handle voltage and heat transfer as good as w/o the cache on top. The naming scheme from AMD is fed up as Intels is ;) and here the X just represents top of the line for 3D but also says no regular overclocking...while even the non X variants of most Ryzen are unlocked (doesn't even matter if X or non X for most cases but beware of 5700 i.e.). Read some Articles/Posts about optimizing 3Ds vs regular to get some confidence maybe. My personal advice for 5800X3D: Don't use Ryzen Master for OC/UV/CO (in general)etc., use the Bios settings instead. You can't harm the CPU touching only those values in PBO. Activate PBO->go to curve optimizer and test if -30 works (hwinfo, check if 4450Mhz allcore boost on load) if not go up to -25... Set PPT etc as I wrote above and do a test run. You will see an increase in performance even if you set the limits a lower. Temps are fine if under 80° under full load. Ah and the 3950X def. gets hotter in relation- wouldn't put that into a SFF.
Thanks for the info, I normally like messing with settings in BIOS, but do like how I can tweak things at the desktop to see immediate changes... problem is when things crash, so I end up booting anyways... sometimes I'm setting up machines with Linux so I like the BIOS to reflect changes because the desktop tools aren't always on desktop or made for windows only. I like some boards because you can can save your custom profiles. I haven't messed with this motherboard enough to know what I can or can't do. When I get some time I will be doing this anyways because my memory isn't even running at the right speeds.
@@nispoe Yeah, it's easier for testing purposes but Ryzen Master can mess with Bios/registry settings so I wouldn't use it neither install it on a windows for normal usage. Also, as you know, Bios settings are done once (maybe not in one day... ) for most usecases whereas Windows - you know what i mean ;) Btw. for a 4060, a 5600X really is enough. The 3D will give you a little smoother gameplay but overall not worth it - good pairing for it would be a 4070/7700XT up to a 4090.
Just optimize the X3D and have the best gaming performance out of these 3. Find the curve optimizer and set negative values from 20 to 30. Also set the limits to 100 PPT 75 TDC 95 EDC in PBO - the result varies a little but you should see constant 4450Mhz allcore boost with lower temps. With these settings even that cooler can handle the heat easily. Note that the 3D cache is on top of the chip so it becomes hotter than a regular Zen 3/4 but since it is restricted (the X here doesn't mean it is unlocked!) high quality silicon it can even be cooled with a medium aircooler. Even if you want less heat it can outperform the others while pulling down the PPT/EDC a little more.
Thanks, something more for me to try, I may put the 5800X3D back in later. I briefly played with Ryzen Master with all chips. I even accidentally triped the thermal limit on the 3900XT and the CPU reboot the system. I could see the point when the cooler was struggling and when the cooler couldn't keep up. I tried undervolt and PBO settings and while doing it felt off like I spent good money on something and was limitting it. I think it would be fun to use the CPUs on other boards with beefier coolers to see how much I can take it up. Usually the X means unlocked multiplier, but when in Ryzen Master I noticed I had less options with the 5800X3D. I couldn't even disable cores to try to make the 5800X3D run with less. So understand what you mean it's not really an "X". It would have been cool to make the 5800X3D look like a 5600X3D to test... but again why would someone pay for 8 cores to only use 6?
@@nispoe X3Ds in general are not unlocked for OC because they can't handle voltage and heat transfer as good as w/o the cache on top. The naming scheme from AMD is fed up as Intels is ;) and here the X just represents top of the line for 3D but also says no regular overclocking...while even the non X variants of most Ryzen are unlocked (doesn't even matter if X or non X for most cases but beware of 5700 i.e.).
Read some Articles/Posts about optimizing 3Ds vs regular to get some confidence maybe.
My personal advice for 5800X3D: Don't use Ryzen Master for OC/UV/CO (in general)etc., use the Bios settings instead. You can't harm the CPU touching only those values in PBO. Activate PBO->go to curve optimizer and test if -30 works (hwinfo, check if 4450Mhz allcore boost on load) if not go up to -25... Set PPT etc as I wrote above and do a test run.
You will see an increase in performance even if you set the limits a lower. Temps are fine if under 80° under full load.
Ah and the 3950X def. gets hotter in relation- wouldn't put that into a SFF.
Thanks for the info, I normally like messing with settings in BIOS, but do like how I can tweak things at the desktop to see immediate changes... problem is when things crash, so I end up booting anyways... sometimes I'm setting up machines with Linux so I like the BIOS to reflect changes because the desktop tools aren't always on desktop or made for windows only. I like some boards because you can can save your custom profiles. I haven't messed with this motherboard enough to know what I can or can't do. When I get some time I will be doing this anyways because my memory isn't even running at the right speeds.
@@nispoe Yeah, it's easier for testing purposes but Ryzen Master can mess with Bios/registry settings so I wouldn't use it neither install it on a windows for normal usage. Also, as you know, Bios settings are done once (maybe not in one day...
) for most usecases whereas Windows - you know what i mean ;)
Btw. for a 4060, a 5600X really is enough. The 3D will give you a little smoother gameplay but overall not worth it - good pairing for it would be a 4070/7700XT up to a 4090.