Very good interviewer he knew his stuff. Ahh Jane's if you ever make get behind another Fleet commander game I will buy it :) It was great one could flip through the Jane's information on every part of it.
@@jonny2954 No, it's true. Airburst is useful in a select few situations, in all others it's a liability and 35mm is already too small for effective airburst, let alone 30mm.
@@jonny2954 Yes, it absolutely is useful in only a select few situations. The primary ammunition carried by modern IFVs is a dual purpose high explosive round. 30mm is not big enough for airburst, but it is big enough for fragmentation and it is big enough for a impact/delayed fuse. The fragments are not submunitions, submunitions would for example be smaller explosives deployed by a bomb or a shell not fragments, bearings or flechettes. And with the 30mm round the size of the round means the fragments are small, few, their coverage is pitiful and the charge does not give them much in terms of kinetic energy. You can forget about the stowed kills, especially if you need to break it up between specific types of target instead of understanding that an IFV needs to counter all of them with a heavy emphasis on the most probable threat.
@@jonny2954 One example hardly matters. For example, the CV 9030 does not use them. There, one example in response to your one example. And if you don't understand the data or its significance, that's not my problem, but you should consider learning how to read studies before citing them.
@@jonny2954 And we can continue this citing of the examples until the end of time, and we both know there are more vehicles that don't rely on AHEAD. "So, if 30 and 35 mm airburst are 'too small for effective airburst', tell me, why did so many militaries choose that round" Few. So few. They have been around for about 20 years, yet almost nobody seems willing to adopt them. From the start it looked like more of a desperate gimmick than a serious product. "why did Rheinmetall develop them in the first place?" To compete with Bofors' 3P in the anti-aircraft round market. You might not realize this, but two dominant systems in the AAG market were Bofors' L70 in various configurations, and Oerlikon's GDF. There's some historical context for you. "Are they dumb?" It was poorly thought out, yes. The design precluded their use in dual barrel systems (persistent premature detonation problems, according to early reports), which virtually every 35mm system was at the time (and most systems still are). That's why they were forced to develop the "Millennium Gun", nothing on the market could actually use it. The reason why it doesn't measure up, is how it works by necessity due to its small size, namely by producing a narrow cone of fragments, which is far less forgiving of natural dispersion and calculation inaccuracies and obviously does not deal well with obstacles. The thing with rhetorical questions is that they're supposed to answer themselves. When they don't, it can get a bit embarrassing.
Can i mine Bitcoin from the inside of it or what ? rubber tracks equal more taxmoney for the people to reaplace them .check how much the U.S.A spends changing Rubber pads .i mean it creates jobs and all.
This "new" CV90 still don't have ATGM launcher, which is now standard in modern ifv like K21, Puma or Kurganets. Even Russians integrate their old Soviet Bmp 2 with the newest atgm Kornet EM.
Not this bullshit again. If customers want ATGMs, they add ATGMs. It's easy to do, but unless there's a fucking doctrinal point to those ATGMs, they're a burden, not an advantage.
TOW missiles can be added even on a jeep. But even though CV90 is a very multirole "Swiss army knife", and is fitted with all sorts of turrets, even double barrel 120mm auto-mortar (Patria AMOS), it's really not meant as an anti-tank platform. It's an infantry fighting vehicle.
Lol, the CV90 outpreformed the Lynx and Ascod in the slovakian test, and later they bought the CV90. Also the Czechs choose the CV90. And now reacently Lithuania has selected the CV90, and more is to come, maybe Brazil and Rumania.
Survivable from a tank round..... No. Survivable from shoulder fired javalin.... No. Cant see a market for it. Can it lead ahead of tanks...no Carry troops into battle...... No. An expensive 50 cal carrier. Save your money don't go to this show.
It's earliest version (Mk I) still kicks bradleys and warriors that are updated. The CV90 is the best IFV in the world at the moment when you look at the modularity, cost, armour protection level and manouverability. Look it up before you dismiss it. IFV are not designed to fight tanks let alone survive against them or a javelin. How much does a javelin round cost? Is it worth it to spend it on an IFV or better to save it for a tank.
'The CV90 is the best IFV in the world at the moment when you look at the modularity, cost, armour protection level and manouverability' I recommend taking a look at the results of the czech BMP-2 replacement test trials. Both CV90 versions participating got declassed.
Originally coming from the 'InfoBriefHeer', a defense newsletter, more or less translated here: below-the-turret-ring.blogspot.de/2017/12/addendum-puma-ifv-performance-in-czech.html
That interviewer is really good at what he does.
Mr. Foss has been a reporter for Jane's and other defense publications for many years. He has plenty of experience in covering the industry.
Right? It seems like the interviewer not only did his homework before the interview, but probably the homework of several others as well.
If you put the panoramic sight in front of the hatch where the old sight was, it will allow you to fit an rws if needed.
Very good interviewer he knew his stuff.
Ahh Jane's if you ever make get behind another Fleet commander game I will buy it :)
It was great one could flip through the Jane's information on every part of it.
Praise the Omnissiah, the machine spirits will be greatfull.
There's not enough sponson weapons! The Omnissiah is not pleased at all.
FOR THE EMPEROR!
jak szybko sie wychładza po foab ? mozna wyjsc(nie trzeba) na fajke po 5 min ?
I like this new weapon, I like the rubber track, but in war would it stand up>>
a very nice platform, hope our government procure that kind of system.
believe or not... seus sonhos foram realizados! ;)
What part of England is Christopher Foss from? I've heard that accent in movies but I can't place it.
Propably from Holland, the English speaking part of the Netherlands.
Sweden probably have more then 549 of them
No 700+
@@2.Cuzzzz this much already? Damn, that is really impressive. I assume most of them are the MKI version?
589 CV90 to be exact (including Mjolner)
I like it...!!!
2018 yilindayz.20000 bin alirim kayesri
20 bi de beklesin hazir cila ve Tamiflu. Önceki nide Tamiflu alirim Werkstatt Tamirli.
Put an airburst capabilty on the 30mm or a wotan 30mm in the turrent and they might be in with a chance for the next round.
From an Aussie ;-)
Why? Both guns fire the same ammunition and giving a 30mm an airburst capability is pointless because of how much space it takes up.
@@jonny2954 No, it's true. Airburst is useful in a select few situations, in all others it's a liability and 35mm is already too small for effective airburst, let alone 30mm.
@@jonny2954 Yes, it absolutely is useful in only a select few situations. The primary ammunition carried by modern IFVs is a dual purpose high explosive round. 30mm is not big enough for airburst, but it is big enough for fragmentation and it is big enough for a impact/delayed fuse. The fragments are not submunitions, submunitions would for example be smaller explosives deployed by a bomb or a shell not fragments, bearings or flechettes. And with the 30mm round the size of the round means the fragments are small, few, their coverage is pitiful and the charge does not give them much in terms of kinetic energy. You can forget about the stowed kills, especially if you need to break it up between specific types of target instead of understanding that an IFV needs to counter all of them with a heavy emphasis on the most probable threat.
@@jonny2954 One example hardly matters. For example, the CV 9030 does not use them. There, one example in response to your one example. And if you don't understand the data or its significance, that's not my problem, but you should consider learning how to read studies before citing them.
@@jonny2954 And we can continue this citing of the examples until the end of time, and we both know there are more vehicles that don't rely on AHEAD.
"So, if 30 and 35 mm airburst are 'too small for effective airburst', tell me, why did so many militaries choose that round"
Few. So few. They have been around for about 20 years, yet almost nobody seems willing to adopt them. From the start it looked like more of a desperate gimmick than a serious product.
"why did Rheinmetall develop them in the first place?"
To compete with Bofors' 3P in the anti-aircraft round market. You might not realize this, but two dominant systems in the AAG market were Bofors' L70 in various configurations, and Oerlikon's GDF. There's some historical context for you.
"Are they dumb?"
It was poorly thought out, yes. The design precluded their use in dual barrel systems (persistent premature detonation problems, according to early reports), which virtually every 35mm system was at the time (and most systems still are). That's why they were forced to develop the "Millennium Gun", nothing on the market could actually use it. The reason why it doesn't measure up, is how it works by necessity due to its small size, namely by producing a narrow cone of fragments, which is far less forgiving of natural dispersion and calculation inaccuracies and obviously does not deal well with obstacles.
The thing with rhetorical questions is that they're supposed to answer themselves. When they don't, it can get a bit embarrassing.
Can i mine Bitcoin from the inside of it or what ? rubber tracks equal more taxmoney for the people to reaplace them .check how much the U.S.A spends changing Rubber pads .i mean it creates jobs and all.
This "new" CV90 still don't have ATGM launcher, which is now standard in modern ifv like K21, Puma or Kurganets. Even Russians integrate their old Soviet Bmp 2 with the newest atgm Kornet EM.
rheinm120 yes it does it shows it at 2:20
Not this bullshit again.
If customers want ATGMs, they add ATGMs. It's easy to do, but unless there's a fucking doctrinal point to those ATGMs, they're a burden, not an advantage.
TOW missiles can be added even on a jeep. But even though CV90 is a very multirole "Swiss army knife", and is fitted with all sorts of turrets, even double barrel 120mm auto-mortar (Patria AMOS), it's really not meant as an anti-tank platform. It's an infantry fighting vehicle.
Rheinmetall Lynx and Hanhwa Redback are better.
Lol, the CV90 outpreformed the Lynx and Ascod in the slovakian test, and later they bought the CV90. Also the Czechs choose the CV90. And now reacently Lithuania has selected the CV90, and more is to come, maybe Brazil and Rumania.
Survivable from a tank round..... No. Survivable from shoulder fired javalin.... No. Cant see a market for it. Can it lead ahead of tanks...no Carry troops into battle...... No. An expensive 50 cal carrier. Save your money don't go to this show.
It's earliest version (Mk I) still kicks bradleys and warriors that are updated. The CV90 is the best IFV in the world at the moment when you look at the modularity, cost, armour protection level and manouverability. Look it up before you dismiss it. IFV are not designed to fight tanks let alone survive against them or a javelin. How much does a javelin round cost? Is it worth it to spend it on an IFV or better to save it for a tank.
'The CV90 is the best IFV in the world at the moment when you look at the modularity, cost, armour protection level and manouverability'
I recommend taking a look at the results of the czech BMP-2 replacement test trials. Both CV90 versions participating got declassed.
When the swedish armed forces first set the requirements for an IFV the bradley, bmp, marder and warrior all sent their vehicles to participate.
please forward a link or at least the name of the vehicle :)
Originally coming from the 'InfoBriefHeer', a defense newsletter, more or less translated here: below-the-turret-ring.blogspot.de/2017/12/addendum-puma-ifv-performance-in-czech.html