New Laugo Creator 500 Alien at the Range
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2023
- Today I'm taking the new Laugo Alien out to the range to see if it matches up to the original. Spoiler, it does - and it's even better. The new grip angle is much more natural for me, and the trigger is actually a bit better than the original...
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The should have called it the fortune 500 since you need to be a CEO to afford one
Ian evidently could afford not one but two of the things, and I wouldn't exactly peg him as having CEO level of income (not that it's a useful statement, both tiny and huge corporations have CEOs so it in no way a meaningful measurement)
@@Koushakur anyone with a normal job can afford one lol, dont buy junk and use your money for nicer things. its the same for everything, why buy 5 crappy optics if you can get a beautiful made one, this pistol costs as much as a used motorcycle and those are even more of a luxury item to most Americans but half the people i know including me has one sitting in the garage collecting dust 😂
@@Koushakur one of them was sent to him from laugo, he mentioned that in the mud test video
@@KoushakurCouldn't he also write them off as a business expense?
BEGONE, POORS!
While this is somewhere outside of Pluto's orbit for me, I really enjoy seeing new guns, and people having fun with them!
About heat: there a pistol thumb rest that is attachable via bottom rail. For most not tricked-out race guns it's probably excessive, but in this case seems like it can be helpful if yo want to fire more than a couple of mags.
The almost complete lack of muzzle flip with that gun is remarkable
It's really not, it doesn't look any more or less controllable than a CZ Shadow or similar. For a gun that costs as much as it does I'd expect more tbh.
Any CZ based gun is good enough for us poors and can be kitted out for competition at like 1/5th the price of the Alien. I'd like to see a compensated and red dot Tangfolio or true CZ75 compared.
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$7000 had better get you the flattest shooting gun on the planet
@@exunitatevires9475 You are correct but it's not the fault of the gun. Ian mentioned he isn't a shooter with one particular gun and that was honest. I have about five competition guns and I can get less than an inch of muzzle flip with each. Some are just stock production guns. I think Ian's problem is he was letting the gun get away from him with no follow through because he was trying to be so accurate. I have yet to see a manufacturer put every thing together for a perfect pistol. Gas operated? No thanks.
Giddy Ian, like a kid on Christmas, with the new bike, he always wanted.
You HAVE to try that whole "stocked pistol as your only gun at a match" thing with the Laugo. You can put a much lower parallax optic on it safely, and it has a fixed barrel improving mechanical accuracy. It would be very interesting to see just how much better it could do than a P320.
I doubt it would improve very much over any old stocked pistol. The problem with stocked pistols is the difficulty in using the pistol optic properly at ranges it was not designed to be used: I doubt Ian would have a lot of trouble with a properly zeroed P320 using a modern high-magnification optic, it's just at that point you're carrying around something that's nearly as heavy as the pistol is.
Not sure what you're saying frankly. Magnification isn't a part of this discussion at all. Even if it were, you can't put anything big on a traditional pistol due to slide weight. But you don't need magnification to significantly improve on a Trijicon RMR or what have you, you just can't significantly improve on it without adding too much weight for it to be viable on a pistol where the optic is mobile. Also, the mechanical accuracy issue is debatable, as in Ian's experiment there were too many variables to tell how big of a contributing factor it was, but that's precisely what makes the Alien so interesting to test.
@@MegaAdeny The reason why pistols are hard to use at signficant ranges is not mechanical accuracy, it's practical accuracy. Ian said at least once that he had trouble using his stocked pistol at ranges because the pistol red dot (that is, the thing which determines practical accuracy) was larger than the thing he was shooting at: the cone of fire was bigger than the target, and so he couldn't tell what needed adjusting and what did not. That would be easily solved with a more sophisticated sighting system, but it would obviously compromise the entire point of the pistol. Certainly this pistol is *better* than almost every other pistol out there, and probably would do better than many other pistols with or without a good sighting system, but the sighting system is the limiting factor for pistols: it's just quite difficult to aim at what you are hitting.
I mean, the problem with a pistol that are mechanical will show up faster than a rifle, because a pistol is firing a significantly slower, signficantly more air-resistant bullet, but those problems come into play at ranges far in excess of the point where you can reasonably expect to hit something with or without a sophisticated sighting system.
@@TheFanatical1 I think you're misunderstanding what Mega means. The advantage of the Laugo's design is that it separates the sights from the reciprocating mass, similar to the ALG 6 second mounts. That means you can put a rifle oriented red dot like a T2 on the Laugo, provided you have a compatible mounting piece. The big reason why pistol red dots are difficult to use in a stocked format is because most use larger dots than rifle red dots, so as to make tracking the dot easier in an application where it's nearly impossible to achieve 2 MOA accuracy. With something like a T2 with low parallax and a 2 MOA dot, you'd be able to achieve much greater accuracy in practice and have a much more usable setup than with a pistol optic.
@@KeterMalkuth You're saying that the design of the Laugo makes it easier to mount rifle sights? Yes, I agree, that was partially my point: the sighting system is the most important thing. If you mounted a fixed (presumably, rifle) optic to the frame of a pistol with reciprocating slide, there is no reason why it would not perform capably.
looks so much straight out of Cyberpunk I like it !!
Those double-taps on the spinner are excellent!
And on the fifth day, he fireth the Alien, and he saw that it was good.
Awesome guns by Laugo. Just wish they weren't so incredibly expensive.
My car was cheaper. Like 7k for one gun isnt "giving it to the shooters" its "ill have to leave my wife and kids and save a year" sort of cash.
Seven grand buys you a high end mountain bike that is almost pro level. The Laugo Alien is in that range. If you're, say, a dentist who wants to get into target shooting rather than bashing single track in the woods? It's about the same investment.
For that price I really felt those misses and hang ups.
y'all talking like a bunch of commies, get a job if you want this gun
@@andrewweitzman4006Exactly. People are using the same mindset of buying Laugo products like theyre buying a base Glock. It is so evidently a luxury item and not meant for the average shooter. Other than a bike, 7 grand could get you some holiday trips, maybe a second hand 2cyl motorbike, or a gaming PC. It'd be like complaining that a prebuilt PC with the newest cards and CPU costs close to 8k and justifying that complain with the fact that something lower spec exists for 3k to 5k
That is the most excited I've ever seen you over a gun! That must be one amazing pistol indeed.
The old aliens have that lack of dummy cartridge feature too, but it also means that the slide is harder to rack on a full mag than it otherwise would be.
Reminds me of the line from the original dawn of the dead, "the only guy that could miss with this is the guy with the bread to buy it."
never thought I'd ever want to own a gun, but each video with the Alien is changing that
Nice bit of Firearm Technology. It will be interesting to see where this leads.
This gun's design is like a Pixar movie: all the tiny details you don't see that they have put in to make it better. The interchangeable magazines, the recess to allow a near zero force mag insertion. That's why it's 7G
Holy smoke, the 4 shots are literally in a hole, truly the real thing.
Acting like other pistols can't do this is foolish.
The name "Alien Creator" just makes me imagine a gun that teleports in little green alien guys out of nowhere
Mr. forgoten has been working out seems like
The grouping on that paper target was pretty dang good. I do have to wonder how fouling affects the operation, though.
I believe recoil wil increase also due to fouling
Ian has a video where he mud tested an Alien and it performed flawlessly.
@@RewardedRocki We are not talkign about mud and debris here. This gun traps gas inside its frame which means it will build up carbon and needsto be cleaned
Can't wait for the mud test!
NO
If the last Finnish Brutality is any indication, it will get well and truly crudded up in some of the competitions Ian wants to take it to.
Already done with the first model.
3:09
*”So i’m gonna be a bit high at 25.”*
Ian became so high he got younger.
We need a side by side Laugo vs Hi Point. Cost to reliability and overall functionality.
Go ahead. Be sure to post your results.
@@LokiOdinson-fz8pschill
After about 6k Rounds through my Alien 500, the only malfunction i've ever had was a single failure to feed with a dummy round.
The Hi Point would win hands down in stopping power...IF you dropped $7000 of Hi Point versus ONE $7000 Laugo on a person
Kind of like comparing a Ferrari to a Yugo.
Great video and very informative.
Thank you , Ian .
🐺 Loupis Canis .
The globe, the jacket and the best hair in YT. What a morning
Good one man. Congratulations...
Great shooting Ian on that spinner btw...💯💥🔥🤩
They should have called the new gun Predator.
Looks really cool
Maybe get a thermal camera to show the heat buildup on the guns... Speaking of, it's possible to design a v-shaped finned heatsink (with aperture for the sights) that can go on the top, but it might not be close enough to the source of the heat to really make an impact.
Go ahead. Be sure to post your results.
@@LokiOdinson-fz8ps What an original comment.
looks like a sweet shooter!
$50.00 for a mug? To enter a contest that I won’t win?
Forget That.
Billionaires are in short supply, Ian.
Some more details on that sight, please, it sounds worthy of trying
I feel inspired that Ian found something new to invest dedication and time towards. Have no end of good fortune, I look forward to seeing the fruits of his labor and practice.
Beautiful
Really is a fantastic bit of engineering
And on the 7th day he rested and upon awakening realized he spent 7 grand
Honest question (yes i know, very expensive yada yada...) but do you think the price is significantly tied to the concept/action/design of the pistol? Im just curious about whether the price is linked to a more complex and more difficult to produce design, or if this is just a very high polish/quality pistol (hence the price) but a smiliar design/affect could be achived in a cheaper design. Does a pistol have to be this expensive to achieve these or similar results? Is there a market niche for these ultra low bore axis pistols that other companies just havent moved into yet?
I am far, far from an authority on this, but imo most of that price point is coming from the competition gun polish. Not all, mind, but open up a bunch of the tolerances, swap the frame for polymer, etc and you could probably manufacture something to the same concept with a market price not much higher than the average striker fired Browning pistol pretty easily.
@@StacheMan26;
Close. Keeping tight tolerances is costly and there are still a few in this one.
It's simpler than a Browning as a mechanical concept so once the tolerances have been dialed in, costs may actually be lower.
The price is high because E*ropeans think guns are toys for the rich and connected, not for the average working pleb.
The price of the gun is due to how new it is and how few are currently being made in total. R/d is very expensive and their factory can't mass produce yet. Economies of scale sort of thing
R&D and greed baby.
Undercut the slide !! Woah
Gun jesus always delivers!
10:20 It can't be understated what a huge endorsement this statement is!
Ask Hudson how well Ian's endorsement helped! LOL. Watching his Q&A videos from a few years ago where Ian repeatedly refers to the Hudson H9 as the best pistol on the market are really cringe worthy.
The Hudson really was a good pistol, that hasn't changed. They just failed at marketing and business decisions in general.
Seeing this month later after your comment, I guess the video was cut shorter with YT tools?
Love this channel…
invest in a tripod and a second camera. Then you can split screen and show us the target as you shoot.
I'd love to try one, but my generic beer budget won't let me in a store that can afford to carry one.
After 2 mags have to wait 30mins to shoot again reminds me of adults telling kids they had to wait 30mins after they ate to swim again 😂
Watching from England the idea of a competition where the winner is sent a pistol is a bit surreal 😂
I really wanna see someone make a red dot integrated with that top rail, I wonder how low-profile it could get.
Thanks
Whoever wins the other one is in for a treat.
Reminds me of the Smart Pistol from Titanfall 2.
There seems to be a lot of similar looking pistols these days. Check out the Russian Stryk B as well.
The alien is a really powerful primary weapon in THE FINALS, and it’s cool to see such a new firearm already represented in a game
Yes… you are in love!
Sir, great video on an amazing gun, thank you for that!
Small question though: Why change the red dot on it, how is the new one better in your opinion?
Greetings from Holland 🌷🇳🇱
I wanted an enclosed dot.
Ian, that's a *very* interesting technical thing that I don't think you covered about the Alien.
How did they undercut the slide at locked position and at the same time allowed the slide to pick up and feed a round when cycling?
Extremely exaggerated but it'll look kinda like this
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Slot in the slide just over the mag let's the top round sit high, pulling the slide back will push down the top round and pick it up on the way forward. The curvature of the bullet will help push it down smoothly
@@m0nkeyman911 yes, I thought it must be how it's done, but I see potential for issues with bumping over a round on the way back every cycle.
Don't worry Ian... it's Arizona so its the dry heat. The Laugo will be fine.
This is the best 9mm pistol in the world
Damn practicing for finish brutality already? You're looking fit af
I want to see this compared to an atlas erebus.
Wish they could have gotten the handgun roster here behind the lines in the PRK taken down long before now. This only adds more "want!" to that dream...
the laugo alien is the new luger in terms of status
I suspect that in 10-15 years, many more pistols with similar design will be available for less money.
Gotta love the free market!
The gas delayed blowback system is not new. The HK PSP (P7) is 45 years old. Steyr GB uses this design as well. Walther tried it more recently with the CCP. The system works but gets rather hot if you shoot more than a few mags. It hasn't succeeded yet and I doubt it will.
Browning Tilting Action for the masses.
Genuinely wouldn't be surprised if CZ itself "adopts" a production version of the Laugo design into its custom shop line eventually
The Laugo was made from the ground up as a competition pistol, with all the handwork (read $$$$) that goes along with it.
Dayum It's good to see this ones rolling, if I got the money I would buy one for Another everyday carry cuz dats good stuff ...
already investigated the Luty SMG, do you actually plan something about Métral submachine gun?
perhaps an experimental fabrication attempt of this clandestine fight firearm following released manuals? to show us at least partially the materialization of a concept...
Ian looking good
Just like a Ferrari, I'll never afford it but it sure is cool
awesome
Dude you are getting into shape!
The Acro P2 really compliments the Alien's science fiction aesthetics nicely, would love some depth on that optic.
Other range videos haveing 3-5 min, while Alien haveing 11 min on a 2nd video, is funny to me.
"After all why not. Why shouldn't I shoot it... more."
Can you mount any red dot on there. I really don’t want to use the 6 MOA dot that comes with it. Not sure what the optic foot print is
Nice
They should just put a plastic heat shield above the trigger like on the P7s.
Neat firearm
Beauty
How did you mount the Acro P2 to the Alien creator red dot “plate” that is made for C-More RTS footprint?
Qian makes conversion plates for Aimpoint and Trijicon: qianindustries.com/shop/ols/products/laugo-arms-alien-pistol-upper-slide-rail-optic-plate-for-trijicon-rmr-slash-sro
Can anyone tell me why there is cloth over a crate at the start? Just curious
Anyone know what kind of hearing protection Ian uses in the video?
I believe he used to wear the 3M TP-100 or TP-200. Hard to tell if that's what he is using in this video.
Otto Noizebarriers
@@ForgottenWeapons Thank you for the information. I just noticed that you’ve been using them in a number of videos. You must be pretty satisfied with them if you continue to use them?
Thanks for all the great content.
@@zacharychalmers6560 Otto make great ear pro, they are loved by all who value their hearing, want to exclude background noise (wind/rain) but also want aural enhancement/comms.
How did you get the Acro P-2 mounted? With the plate that can’t with the alien or aftermarket?
Why not put a competition style dot on there over the mailbox?
Nice gun. Too bad I'm not eligble to enter the contest 😪
If I ever win (big !) the lottery this might be coming my way
For the most expensive competition gun 17 round mags aren't really competitive. Seems like a major oversight there.
This needs to be used in a Predator movie.
These things are supposed to be really nice to shoot. Cheers Ian.
I literally almost took out a small home equity loan to buy the one I saw in the case of a LGS, but then got ahold of myself and bought a CZ S2C with cash instead. Glad I didn’t take out a home loan but I sure do have second thoughts about making wise financial decisions.
7000$ is just a bit too much for me, the older model for 5000$ is about the limit of what i would consider spending on a single handgun
Heck, for 5000$ i could order a geiger GRP handbuilt rollerlocked pistol
You are a tool if you spend more than 1500 on a pistol.
I was just looking again at the Korth PRS video!
@@CMon_Jack people have different interests and can spend their money how they wish.
@@CMon_Jack And you are a tool without spending this much on a pistol, just by virtue of judging people on what they spend their money.
@@davidgoodnow269 too bad they stopped making them
Ian you forgot to put that new one in the mud
7000 buck 🔫 and a 30 dollar Casio F-91W ⌚️
Imagine losing in a firefight with one of those against someone with a Hi-Point.
Who makes the optic plate? I’ve been looking for a plate for an RMR for mine
qianindustries.com/shop/ols/products/laugo-arms-alien-pistol-upper-slide-rail-optic-plate-for-trijicon-rmrsro
It’s cool tech that they seem to be holding behind low production numbers. I’d love to have one, or something similar with the same recoil/slide system, but no way in hell I’ll be paying what these have been priced at.
My best guess is wait a while, i see no reason why something similar couldn't be made out of mostly sheet metal and polymer
The only benefit I see from this is that it's going to force big manufacturers to take another look at alternative operating mechanisms to replicate the Aliens benefits but without the price tag.
if necessary, you could always easily cool the gun in water, should not be a problem. see all those reliability tests!
How about doing a comparison of the Alien vs other IPSC/USPSA metal body, hammer fired, production guns, like CZ Shadow 2, Tanfoglio Stock Master, Baretta 92X?
Laugo wouldn't be happy with that because it would show that their overpriced pistol isn't better than competition pistols that cost a fraction of the price. I guarantee an equally priced competition pistol will outclass the Alien in every aspect.
@@RSpracticalshooting I do hope that they have a more affordable model down the line like FK Brno Field Pistol -> PSD. I was glad to see a new development that was not another take on striker fired, polymer body, or a Browning tilting barrel hammer fired derivative. I don't mind rich collectors/early adopters paying for the R&D for the new concept, if that concept has the ability to be objectively better. Ian was able to double tap the spinner at the top and bottom, his self proclaimed nemesis, so the hype has to be worth something.
We forgotten weapons enjoyers love our esoteric operating mechanics, don't we?
What targets were you using?
What is it about that optic? What's better than the red dot that comes with the Creator 500?
How did you mount the ACRO?
What rifle are you going to pair it with?
The idea that you can enter into a contest and have the opportunity to win a handgun is one of the few times I envy you Americans.
Agreed, although the price is quite high
You can do that in other countries, too. I've seen contests in Germany where you can win an AR-15, a shotgun or a handgun. You just need a gun permit to collect your win. And even though Germany's gun laws suck, it's not that hard to get a gun permit for sports shooting.
Reminder that youtube still plays ads over your videos.
Interesting, however, it would be nice to know the caliber of the pistol.
I'm assuming 9mm.
I looked at the company website, and it doesn't seem to think this is an important piece of information either since I couldn't find the info.
Yes, it is 9mm Luger.
@@davidgoodnow269uh no its not a luger its a laugo
Ian, can you in the future do a video outline the process you use for transporting your firearms overseas for Finnish Brutality and what it is like returning with them. What are the hoops the Customs et al make you jump through. Thank you!
There's a company in the US that does it all for you, you give them the gun and then they give you the gun in whatever country you'd like, assuming that country allows it. One would assume for competition shooting most do. I'm 99% sure he's done a video on it in the past.
@@TheFanatical1 That video dealt with importation of a purchased firearm while I am interested in the aspect of the temporary export/reimportation process. It may be similar but there are differences.
@@ibannymous Nah, he's also spoken about it in a QnA video on the specifics of getting a gun to Finnish Brutality. I cannot remember which video, but it definitely exists.