I've thrown a Beretta downrange (empty), dropped CZ's in gravel, and released AR15s into the air without concern for the effects of gravity. If the gun can't handle the abuse, perhaps I should find another gun.
To be fair, he did acknowledge he's only doing it because he was given the gun by Laugo and does not own it, so he doesn't feel too bad about putting it through the wringer.
@@TheAfterPein No, he owns it, he just didn't pay for it. He likes it enough that he wants to use in in the abusive competitions he does, so for that, for science, and for views, he's seeing what it can take. Regardless, I can count the number of channels I've seen put a non-Hi-Point through this kind of testing on one hand. Pistols, that is. I've seen plenty of people abuse the hell out of AKs and SKSs and such.
He could probably sell it for 10K now. Not even kidding, I mean it's the first Laugo Alien that was ever submitted to a mud test. Done by gun Jesus himself. Collectors love these kinds of stories.
Best I can do is 5 bucks. I’m taking a huge risk here. Also do you mind if I bring in my friend who is an expert on laugos fired by Ian? People can easily fake it so I have to get it confirmed and lower the price to 3 bucks because it seems there is another laugo alien owned by an Ian doppelgänger who did the test first and that one is in the vatican. Edit: thanks for the likes. Wow
@@murphy4yt Well he did say he was going to use it for competitions, and his recent competition videos arent really set in an air conditioned indoor range behind a counter..
I think it's great that he's putting a gun that will be priced and marketed towards competition shooters through tests well beyond what will be common. It proves just how promising of a concept this pistol is, looking forward to it shaking things up with other gun companies so we can see more innovation as consumers.
Well, although it's way over board, I think this should indeed be the standard to which every manufacturer holds their quality control. Identify the main purpose and then make sure it will still work beyond it's planned specs
I would say the biggest problem with this gun is the gas system. I live in argentina and if you don't get premium powder for your reloads, that might be an issue in competition. First world shooting premium ammo? Great choice then.
Amazing pistol and to be fair, that was pretty extreme mud. Lots of gravel and grit in there. The noise it made racking damn near brought tears to my eyes.
With 20 somewhat relatable, historically relevant and captivating tangents, and a few "im getting off topic now"s. And some anecdotes along the way too. Ian if you read this, you are great at what you do, don't stop.
Like you should never buy a rental car, one should never buy a used gun from Ian. Edit: to all the people taking this comment seriously down below, this comment was meant as a joke lol
Actually, I think Ian would be an excellent person to buy guns from, he probably takes good care of them. The question is, will he even want to sell? 😝
Since the top strap is replaceable I wonder if an adverse conditions version could be designed to protect that upper slide channel from easily getting packed with mud. Might not be quite as sleek but again they’d swappable. Call it the Arizona Mud Buster edition.
@@denvervandrey2883 Not to put too much faith in 3D printing but it's such a great invention especially for the firearms world. Seeing the stuff people are doing like printing forced reset triggers and full lowers made me realise that even without mass availability of metal 3D printing we are in a revolution for home firearms experimentation
A mud test without the wheelbarrow just feels wrong It is impressive how well this held up though, normally when you think of expensive oddball guns like the Alien you don't expect them to play nice with conditions like this unless they're specifically designed with them in mind.
@Shaliqua Smith If you think some scratches are going to horribly ruin a gun that's not explicitly a mantle piece and/or wallhanger meant just for display purposes then the likelihood that you've ever owned let alone used any given actual firearm is supremely close to absolute zero.
I'll admit to being one of those who mentioned "mud test" in a comment to the previous video and as someone else said I could feel those gritty noises in my teeth (from experience I know that Arizona "mud" is mostly nasty jagged little pieces of rock, not the mostly relatively soft clay you typically find elsewhere). Still, even given the sympathetic pain I felt, it was a good test with good results. I share your confidence in the gun in competition matches and can't wait to see reactions from Karl etc.
@@deltavee2 this wasn't a plugged barrel though, it was a gunky rear slide travel path (and looks like poor leverage on the slide). The ear plug wouldn't offer any resistance to gasses after firing.
I have to admit, i am really positively surprised. I lowkey was rooting for that crazy little thing, seeing something new and innovative like that doing well in crazy situations means more potential for all sorts of applications. Here is to the future of the Laugo and perhaps other new gizmos from that side of the world!
lets say someone would make a less comeption oriented pistol, with maybe a not so fance slide system( and maybe even a striker system), so get somewhat closer to the P7, it could be an insanely reliable system.
This test was hardly equal to previous of the like, an maybe that's because it's a competition gun. But this design doesn't lend itself to being reliable in the field.
@@hobblesofkarth3943 I.e. them making a more reasonable version of the pistol, rather than an ultra spec competition gun. Yeah, hoping that to happen myself, apart from the stupid price and all out focus on competition effectiveness this is like my dream pistol.
I strongly suspect that you'd not have had the same issue if you started with a round in the chamber rather than needing to rack the slide first. I suspect the violence of firing that first shot would've thrown the crud out of the sliding parts and it'd have been fine thereafter.
Yes I agree it would have no problem in that case. But its understandable that you will lean on safe side in testing and not throwing chambered pistol around in mud :)
@@Atilakus you just have to be smart about it, no swooshing the gun around (do it like the guy on military arms channel) he just packs the dirt on top of the gun after he sets it in the bucket. This doesnt simulate real life as accurately
@@MightDGuy I agree. I just wanted to guess reasoning. Like dropping gun in the mud is not realisting for me anyway :) Im not defending my life in swamps. I live in the city, so I need my clean gun reliable :)
IIRC, in brutality matches, they don't carry with a round in the chamber... though i don't know how that worked for the manurhin last desert brutality. but so for Ian's niche use case... i think this kinda makes sense. but back when karl was doing the mud tests on inrange, he'd conduct the tests with one in the chamber, cause he'd fire off a few rounds to establish proper functionality of the gun first.
I'm genuinely surprised it worked as well as it did. The interface between the top strap and the side has a ton of places I expected mud and grit to get stuck.
Well it did. But this is the first gun I've seen where "firing it resolved the issue". Normally if you have gunk in a gun and you force it to chamber you get exactly one shot, a failure to feed, and gunk in places even harder to get at without a field strip.
Me: "Wow look at that pricey pistol." Ian: "Time to throw it in the mud peasants." Interesting results though, i wasn't really expecting it to work. I didn't watch the previous episodes on how the pistol worked. Looks like im gonna have to go back and do so.
Ian said at the end of his last video that the kind of person who would buy one of these would never mud test it, then apparently since then they've given him one
@@GlassFoxGear almost like the company wanta this kind of torture test done. But this type of testing is important. Laugo probably already had run their own torture tests.
With the action recessed so far down and the slide being so open when cycling, it performed much better than one would think for such an intricate gun. And had you had a round chambered when you dunked it in mud (which seems most likely during a Brutality match), the first round energy might have been enough to cycle it which you couldn't do by hand. That would be an interesting test, although probably not the safest. So overall very impressed with this performance, I'll let people more wealthy than I pay the early-adopter tax though.
Intricate designs seem to either work fine or not at all in the mud. Like others have observed, the gaps in the top strap seem to be the main ingress point, so I'm wondering if that could be remediated by a different to strap design, or maybe some kind of gasket
@@PhycoKrusk What slightly surprises me are the gaps towards the front of the stop-strap, maybe intended to vent some gases from the locking/delaying piston, but I would guess almost definitely where mud got in to jam the slide.
Is this an intricate gun though? Genuine question it seems rather simple but that might just be because I understood it better than I do most pistols lol
I had the same exact thought. Not sure how unsafe it would be if it was chambered in the mud and then fired. Ian didn’t have it chambered so he wasn’t sticking his hand in front of the muzzle while it was loaded. Smart. I think it would likely only cause a failure to feed on the next round. Worst case it may have caused the slide to seize up so badly you could no longer move the slide. On the other hand, good chance the force of the round would have cleared the debris and continued to cycled, as you point it. Interesting it was 100% after the initial debris clearance.
@@Ezekiel_Allium compared to other blowback or tilting barrel pistols, yes. Even then, and this is walking back my earlier comment a bit, but the intricate designs that struggle with mud trend to do so because they have a lot of open spaces for mud to ingress.
Great video! Larry Vickers brought his brand new Laugo with him for all students to try when he taught his Advanced Pistol Class in LA, back in January. Very impressive weapon and very generous of Larry to allow us to try the weapon out during the lunch breaks. (Outstanding instructor by the way - anyone whoever has the opportunity to take a class from Larry Vickers, should definitely do so as he definitely is "The Man" when it comes to firearms instruction!!) Anyway, Ian, I'm actually quite surprised that given how much sandy mud you managed to get into the weapon, that it still was able to be cleared/fired. The Laugo is constructed to fine tolerances and "usually" the finer the tolerances that a pistol is designed/manufactured to, then the less capable that said weapon, however, your weapon still was able to be cleared/fired without much in the manner of cleaning. Incidentally, I think that you would have found it quicker/easier to clear if you had first completely dropped the magazine and then shaken out the pistol (keeping the muzzle pointed downrange), then ejected the chambered round - shaken the pistol some more - and then re-inserted the mag and chambered a round.
This video brought back memories of running the night live fire course during basic training. It was cold, raining and muddy; my M16 had stopped firing due to mud fouling. I remember dipping it in water puddles, on the course run, to keep it firing.
That's one of the reasons you're supposed to dispose of earplugs after one use, they absorb sweat and thus bacteria and can lead to ear infections if reused.
This result is much more impressive when one considers the fact that this sort of abuse and the conditions that caking mud onto the gun are intended to simulate are far, far outside the scope and use case that it was designed for. If Laugo is able to do this with their first time to market offering of this concept, especially understanding that it is not intended as an all-conditions service pistol or daily carry but as a high precision target shooting competition pistol, then it will be very interesting to see how they continue to improve upon the technology and potentially adapt it for other use-cases.
During my military life I had a standard 9mm Browning as side arm which worked in mud in the falklands. I also used it underwater and it never let me down. It was a primitive gun but it worked.
I'd like to see a video of the cleaning of these guns afterward. It would be interesting to see the process as well as what sort of damage the gun gets as a result of firing with all that grit in it
I was going to say it will probably be ok as it’s gas operated, then Ian started pulling on the slide. On the upside once he got it shooting it ran fine.
service pistol certification test right there. that super soup that you put that through and then gold panned the mud into it by shaking it around is impressive and i'm almost certain that if you had around chambered before going into the mud on that first dunk it would have cleared itself enough for you to at least be able to clear the malfunction if it generated one of the first round fired.
He has been doing this a long time - but all it takes is one mistake or one overlooked element and you’ve got a chunk of metal flying back in your face.
Defo not safe safe, but I would be interested in seeing the first, failed full submersion test re-done with a chambered round. Firing that could just force all the jamming gunk out of the way and as subsequent tests showed, once it fired it was fine.
So the lesson for this is, "as long as the gun is chambered it should run fine if you drop an alien in poorly mixed cement, mortar, or someone mixing soil and hay for baked bricks."
I think it did very well too. That was particularly nasty mud, with fine gravel that’s perfect for jaming the slide of any pistol. If they can better seal the slide from foreign debris, it should be exceptionally reliable considering the fixed barrel (and gas system) as you mentioned.
I think if you started with it loaded, same condition you would carry it, then it would probably have worked from the beginning. The recoil itself seems to shake off a lot of the debris from the moving parts.
Twoooo things. I believe he started it chamber empty because in competition, that's how it'll be in your holster. #2, the pistol would have destroyed itself utterly if fired immediately after that initial mud dunk.
@@Hansengineering he starts it chamber empty for safety. Don’t want it going off while it’s being submerged/covered in mud. Could be dangerous. In competition you absolutely have a loaded chamber
A gun comparison with the Legendary Hilux, damn that's impressive! Also most funny part of the video is trying to pull the trigger and thinking somethings gone wrong with the gun, only to realize the pesky rock between the frame and trigger. Your videos on this gun have been the only ones I've watched, and if I had a spare 5k, I'd seriously consider this one. Thank you for your videos!
Whenever Ian does a mud test, the first thing he does after the first round ist to spit out the mud... As the traditional mud testing procedure is starting on a chambered round, I am wondering if this could possibly have worsened the result, as the chambering of the round already causes quite a bit of movement (and thus potential distribution of the mud).
@@Echristoffe Thats probably the kind of thing you would do in competition but for the purposes of the video I can understand why he was attempting to present the test with as much gun safety in mind as possible which would essentially mean wihtthe manipulation he had to do with the plug and rolling around in the bowl of mud starting with no round chambered was way way safer
As someone who's seen your InRange mudtests, I think your first drop was a bit too wet a bit too deep. Usually your weapons aren't fully submerged, it's just a drop on each side and a shake off. And that mud looked REALLY soupy.
Yep that was slutch not mud, far too 'runny' and bound to fill and jam the exposed slide. What the gun needs is for the top strap to lip over the top of the slide.
I'd say that's a fair "Oh Bugger!" test. I'd say even as a daily, you'd never do this, but guns fall into stuff when you don't pay attention. Stuff happens.
I think the remarkable thing is that to correct the malfunction you splashed some water on it rather than had to field strip and clean it. Failure, yes. But easy to correct. And that's important too.
definitely a whole hell of a lot better, that was beyond worst-case mud, and it was completely submerged in the stuff. Really impressive result overall
iamzid- or some good western Oregon mud. Its so nasty I've seen a caterpillar get stuck and sink all the way over the tracks. Had to cut up a couple a logs to firewood size and a couple a poles to jack the damn thing up. Its the fun part of logging on flat land.
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Which is strange to me as a Dane. Here you get "brown water" or "it's basically clay with a bit of sand in it". I've never encountered that "kid makes mud" kind of mud in the wild... Perhaps Ian needs to consult a mudologist of some sort...
I have a question about minor detail Ian, how did the coatings, bluing, whatever finish deal with the mud test? Im curious because there was a lot of grit noises when you were moving the slid and the up close views you gave showed a lot of light colors but I assume that was just heat dryed mud.
@@anonypersona3189 yes but the particles are various sizes. It isn't clear to me how much clearance the parts have and how much abrasion has occured. I'm certain some must of happened but where and how much?
*Dumps it in the mud for a proper mud test* "Doesn't seem to work." *Swipes some mud across one side* "At least the barrel doesn't have to tilt because that's an issue for every tilting barrel pistol out there." It clearly failed the mud test, and yet he tried to explain it away and find reasons that it's still better than Browing design-based pistols. You can't polish a turd, but you can throw some glitter on it I guess.
I would have liked to have seen a tear down & clean out. Where did the mud get into? However, it looks like a quick swish in some water will take care of the majority of potential issues.
When you get down to it, it mostly just looks weird. Low bore axis and gas-delayed blowback by themselves aren't new concepts and are pretty well understood. I think the Alien is just the first pistol to try combining the two
As long as the elements involved in the torture test don't disrupt the head space of any gun, the firing pin will do its job. And yes,there's other factors based on platforms
I wonder if the Laugo had a round chambered after the first mud drop if it would have cycled under force of firing. Ian struggled to get a grip on the slide to cycle it, and that's a quirk of the design; there's very little exposed slide compared to more "normative" pistol. Maybe some "ears" on the back of the slide or some small knobs would give more grip.
I've seen all of the internet classics - 2 girls one cup, goastsee, lemonparty, but this right here, this tops all of them as the most difficult to watch.
I'd actually want each mud test to come with a crime scene investigation... I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, but I actually want to see the clean up and random goofy/whiskey hangout afterwards
Did better then I expected. It's nice to see mud tests again, especially on an interesting pistol. Hey Ian is this gonna be regular content or a one off? If regular would you consider testing the SA35/ HI Power
He mentions specifically that he's doing this because he was unable to find any similar content or testing on this pistol. The Hi Power is almost 100 years old so I'm sure you can find something.
"I'm altering the mud test, pray that I do not alter it any further" It's probably a safety thing, light trigger, no manual safety, and rocks and mud can make a dangerous combination
I appreciate the mind for safety the entire time. Even when struggling with the slide the finger stayed off the trigger and the gun stayed pointed in a safe direction.
I would never do this voluntarily to my also collectible 4800,-€ Alien 500, not even to any of my guns! Thank you for doing this, so I do know more about how capable my firearms are. :-D
Now that's impressive! The only thing i've heard about this is how it's a great target shooter, so i expected it to be way less reliable than this. VERY interesting video!
@@sijonda To be fair the 5k package includes two top rails, one with fully adjustable iron sights and one with a high-quality red dot. Both interchangeable in 20 seconds without losing zero. Still very expensive, but relatively reasonable compared to other boutique match guns.
@@maximilianmustermann5763 Well it's not a rifle but you can do more with a nice AR of them just as quickly for a 1/5 the cost. Even get some nice glass on one. I bring that up because of swapping uppers in a few seconds.
I’m almost certain that if this gun every really ends up seeing significant competition time people are going to modify that slide to accept one of those little side charging bars. Now whether or not that’s most achievable by some kind of rear strap replacement or if tapping and threading the side of the slide will be most effective still remains to be seen, but something is coming. Maybe a unit that tensions down on the slide serrations could even work.
As far as I understand it, the pistol was designed so it could be used in the IPSC production division. This is why they didn't add any typical competition parts like handles and paddles. People are going to modify it for other divisions.
Pack it with Vaseline, before the test. I'm betting that would prevent mud entry, but because of the design the pistol will still work. I was going to say a gasket around the slide, and that's also an option, but I'm concerned about wear.
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Every other gun channel: "Today we're gonna torture-test a Hi-Point, but I'm too chicken to put my Sig or HK in the mud."
Ian: "Cowards."
I've thrown a Beretta downrange (empty), dropped CZ's in gravel, and released AR15s into the air without concern for the effects of gravity. If the gun can't handle the abuse, perhaps I should find another gun.
Funny, those guns are meant to take that abuse.
@@sanguinemoon9201 Oh, c'mon CZs are realtively cheap and supposedly indistructable...
To be fair, he did acknowledge he's only doing it because he was given the gun by Laugo and does not own it, so he doesn't feel too bad about putting it through the wringer.
@@TheAfterPein No, he owns it, he just didn't pay for it. He likes it enough that he wants to use in in the abusive competitions he does, so for that, for science, and for views, he's seeing what it can take.
Regardless, I can count the number of channels I've seen put a non-Hi-Point through this kind of testing on one hand. Pistols, that is. I've seen plenty of people abuse the hell out of AKs and SKSs and such.
That scratchy noise that the mud is making when you're trying to rack the slide... I can feel it in my teeth
Makes me want to grab mine!
Yeah it hurt
I can feel the residual value rubbing away with each attempt.
@@dennisyoung4631 but what if next time you pick it up and rack it, it makes that gritting noise and won't come fully back?
@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 I meant “that noise makes me want to grab my teeth!”
It appears that Ian's brand new $5,000.00 pistol has suddenly acquired what
antique gun collectors like to call "patina."
He could probably sell it for 10K now. Not even kidding, I mean it's the first Laugo Alien that was ever submitted to a mud test. Done by gun Jesus himself. Collectors love these kinds of stories.
I like to call that gun abuse. Maybe for a combat pistol, but for a $5000 range toy, no,thanks.
Best I can do is 5 bucks.
I’m taking a huge risk here.
Also do you mind if I bring in my friend who is an expert on laugos fired by Ian? People can easily fake it so I have to get it confirmed and lower the price to 3 bucks because it seems there is another laugo alien owned by an Ian doppelgänger who did the test first and that one is in the vatican.
Edit: thanks for the likes. Wow
@@murphy4yt Well he did say he was going to use it for competitions, and his recent competition videos arent really set in an air conditioned indoor range behind a counter..
@@murphy4yt I agree. Someone please call the GPS (Gun Protection Services) already.
I think it's great that he's putting a gun that will be priced and marketed towards competition shooters through tests well beyond what will be common. It proves just how promising of a concept this pistol is, looking forward to it shaking things up with other gun companies so we can see more innovation as consumers.
Well, although it's way over board, I think this should indeed be the standard to which every manufacturer holds their quality control. Identify the main purpose and then make sure it will still work beyond it's planned specs
It does Magnitudes better than the desert eagle.
I would say the biggest problem with this gun is the gas system. I live in argentina and if you don't get premium powder for your reloads, that might be an issue in competition. First world shooting premium ammo? Great choice then.
You can tell that Ian REALLY wants to use this gun in competition. He's giving it as much opportunity to work as possible.
Here in Ireland, the hardest part of making mud is trying to find dry soil thats isnt soaking wet already.
The up side being that there and over here in Scotland it is actually mud rather than wet cement.
Yea making mud...... it makes itself here no need for Jerry can of H2O.
Sounds like Vermont, good luck finding dry soil. Unless it's the middle of summer
You're welcome up to Sweden anytime. Our mud is frozen solid and covered in snow.
Ah, it reminds me of Elbonia or however they spelled it. A thriving, mud-based economic powerhouse!
You know you must be confident and proud of your gun design when you decide given to give a free one to Ian McCollum
J.M.B. made good shit. XD
Ian: "You still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you? The perfect handgun. Its structural perfection is matched only by its price tag."
I say we take off and drop it in the mud from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
"Hold on, hold on just a second. This firearm has a substantial dollar value attached to it."
@@Jarumo76Somebody said "Laugo alien" she thought they said "illegal alien" and signed up!
@Jarumo76 I´m not quite sure, is this a modified quote from one of the "Alien" movies?
Top this comment. :) Perfect Alien reference.
Amazing pistol and to be fair, that was pretty extreme mud. Lots of gravel and grit in there. The noise it made racking damn near brought tears to my eyes.
Agreed
This is happening to me at the moment.. it hurts haha
Ian: "I don't want mud down in the barrel"
Me: "I think mud will do what mud very much wants to!"
Time to put a condom over it...
I expect a sequel: Ian fully disassembles and cleans the gun, 5 hours long.
Also, Ian tries ASMR gun maintaining. For... um... people who like that sort of thing.
@@karkosgiehex It's just ultra-high-quality grit noises from a slide full of bits of sand and gunk. Would listen
Prison shower: Laugo Alien edition
@@qoph1988 Not to kink shame, but. . . mate,
With 20 somewhat relatable, historically relevant and captivating tangents, and a few "im getting off topic now"s. And some anecdotes along the way too.
Ian if you read this, you are great at what you do, don't stop.
Like you should never buy a rental car, one should never buy a used gun from Ian.
Edit: to all the people taking this comment seriously down below, this comment was meant as a joke lol
Actually buying from Ian would be good because at least that used gun's life/abuse is at least documented on RUclips.
Yeah but I would do some really questionable stuff just to stroke his famas.
LOL
Actually, I think Ian would be an excellent person to buy guns from, he probably takes good care of them.
The question is, will he even want to sell? 😝
@@fhlostonparaphrase if you exchange for a lewis gun, i'm sure he will accept to sell you some :p
Since the top strap is replaceable I wonder if an adverse conditions version could be designed to protect that upper slide channel from easily getting packed with mud. Might not be quite as sleek but again they’d swappable. Call it the Arizona Mud Buster edition.
Maybe a loop on the back of the slide to pull it with more force will do?
A 3d printable design could be made for prototyping
That would be interesting. The fact that they are so easily swappable you could have a top strap of almost any size or shape.
@@denvervandrey2883 Not to put too much faith in 3D printing but it's such a great invention especially for the firearms world. Seeing the stuff people are doing like printing forced reset triggers and full lowers made me realise that even without mass availability of metal 3D printing we are in a revolution for home firearms experimentation
I imagine the gaps on the top strap are there for a reason, likely heat evacuation.
As a mechanic this isn't just hard to watch it is even more hard to listen to. That sound of sand in between metal always gives me goosebumps.
A mud test without the wheelbarrow just feels wrong
It is impressive how well this held up though, normally when you think of expensive oddball guns like the Alien you don't expect them to play nice with conditions like this unless they're specifically designed with them in mind.
Needed a teardown to see where the mud went.
inside the gun
@@skrimper nice one
@@skrimper ok
I agree. The Laugo is even sexier when she's dirty, should have field stripped her.
That scratchy sound at 04:42 is the gun quietly screaming.
Quietly?
Nah, the STG 57 inrange tortured, you could hear it's soul screaming...
I was definitely quietly screaming too
Yeah watching that was like an out of body experience. I’m just telling myself this was all CGI.
If Ian ever attends a match where there's more than 1 other Laugo, his will be identifiable by all the scratch marks.
@Shaliqua Smith Nah, it will be fine. Maybe not as shiny in some spots but it won't be ruined. Ian's competition guns can't be safe queens.
@Shaliqua Smith If you think some scratches are going to horribly ruin a gun that's not explicitly a mantle piece and/or wallhanger meant just for display purposes then the likelihood that you've ever owned let alone used any given actual firearm is supremely close to absolute zero.
Awesome scratch marks. Field wear makes a gun sexier. It's called wabi-sabi.
Scuffed an scratched, but still in good working order. The mark of a piece of hardware used by and fit for a serious man.
The slide being open to the top is one of those first gen things that is quickly changed in future iterations by offering an expanded top strap.
I'll admit to being one of those who mentioned "mud test" in a comment to the previous video and as someone else said I could feel those gritty noises in my teeth (from experience I know that Arizona "mud" is mostly nasty jagged little pieces of rock, not the mostly relatively soft clay you typically find elsewhere).
Still, even given the sympathetic pain I felt, it was a good test with good results. I share your confidence in the gun in competition matches and can't wait to see reactions from Karl etc.
December 19, 2021 a date which will live in infamy
A mud test on a 3000 dollar pistol...this day has extracted a heavy toll
Where'd you get one for 3k?
@@jimziogas8978 Yea.....for 5K I'd expect it to be reliable AND come with the Italian super model.
At minimum, $4k
Manhurin 73 mud test when?
His has the $5 version... but yeah, since he's using the iron sight upper, it's effectively the $3k version. 😁
"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should."
Actually pretty impressive, if you had a round chambered on the first test, it's possible that it would've fired and cleared the gunk out itself.
Interesting thought. Usually firing a weapon into a plugged barrel results in a breech explosion.
@@deltavee2 this wasn't a plugged barrel though, it was a gunky rear slide travel path (and looks like poor leverage on the slide). The ear plug wouldn't offer any resistance to gasses after firing.
@@redrider762 He could also safely remove the ear plug with a round in the chamber, pretty sure they've done this in the past with handgun mud tests.
@@deltavee2 inRagne mud test usually started with shooting the ear plug our of barrel with first round..
Sorry, I meant mud, not the ear plug, of course.
I’ve missed this show.
Whenever I’m feeling angry or depressed, this show makes me feel better for some reason
I have to admit, i am really positively surprised. I lowkey was rooting for that crazy little thing, seeing something new and innovative like that doing well in crazy situations means more potential for all sorts of applications.
Here is to the future of the Laugo and perhaps other new gizmos from that side of the world!
lets say someone would make a less comeption oriented pistol, with maybe a not so fance slide system( and maybe even a striker system), so get somewhat closer to the P7, it could be an insanely reliable system.
It's not that far fetched that militaries would want a pistol mounted with an optic which this platform supports so well
This test was hardly equal to previous of the like, an maybe that's because it's a competition gun. But this design doesn't lend itself to being reliable in the field.
Here's to the price coming down to a reasonable level.
@@hobblesofkarth3943 I.e. them making a more reasonable version of the pistol, rather than an ultra spec competition gun. Yeah, hoping that to happen myself, apart from the stupid price and all out focus on competition effectiveness this is like my dream pistol.
I strongly suspect that you'd not have had the same issue if you started with a round in the chamber rather than needing to rack the slide first. I suspect the violence of firing that first shot would've thrown the crud out of the sliding parts and it'd have been fine thereafter.
Yes I agree it would have no problem in that case. But its understandable that you will lean on safe side in testing and not throwing chambered pistol around in mud :)
Tim from Military Arms Channel does his mud tests with chambered pistols.
@@Atilakus you just have to be smart about it, no swooshing the gun around (do it like the guy on military arms channel) he just packs the dirt on top of the gun after he sets it in the bucket. This doesnt simulate real life as accurately
@@MightDGuy I agree. I just wanted to guess reasoning. Like dropping gun in the mud is not realisting for me anyway :) Im not defending my life in swamps.
I live in the city, so I need my clean gun reliable :)
IIRC, in brutality matches, they don't carry with a round in the chamber... though i don't know how that worked for the manurhin last desert brutality. but so for Ian's niche use case... i think this kinda makes sense. but back when karl was doing the mud tests on inrange, he'd conduct the tests with one in the chamber, cause he'd fire off a few rounds to establish proper functionality of the gun first.
Finally a modern gun strange enough for Ian.
The Hudson, The Boberg and The Laugo, the holy trinity.
And it's actually good for once
@@ProjectExMachina How could I neglect it! But the original BRNO with the red grips.
I'm genuinely surprised it worked as well as it did. The interface between the top strap and the side has a ton of places I expected mud and grit to get stuck.
Well it did. But this is the first gun I've seen where "firing it resolved the issue". Normally if you have gunk in a gun and you force it to chamber you get exactly one shot, a failure to feed, and gunk in places even harder to get at without a field strip.
Ian's one-handed shooting at 2.02 shows just how awesome the low bore axis is.
It seems to me that Ian needs an Arex Zero 1 to withstand that kind of conditions...
USP 45 but it may break the mud
@@EVLfreak666 really? Rex01 can withstand mud in the action and rails and stuff?
@@rzerizrz It cannot.
*loads up my krinkov pistol*
@@rzerizrz ruclips.net/video/LuPOqDlaX6U/видео.html
Me: "Wow look at that pricey pistol."
Ian: "Time to throw it in the mud peasants."
Interesting results though, i wasn't really expecting it to work. I didn't watch the previous episodes on how the pistol worked. Looks like im gonna have to go back and do so.
It's an actually innovative pistol, hope you like watching Ian geek out over it.
@@RonJohn63 yeah, sand peasants, dirt peasants, but never the mud variety.
It's an upside down hammer fired HK P7, more or less.
Ian said at the end of his last video that the kind of person who would buy one of these would never mud test it, then apparently since then they've given him one
@@GlassFoxGear almost like the company wanta this kind of torture test done. But this type of testing is important. Laugo probably already had run their own torture tests.
With the action recessed so far down and the slide being so open when cycling, it performed much better than one would think for such an intricate gun. And had you had a round chambered when you dunked it in mud (which seems most likely during a Brutality match), the first round energy might have been enough to cycle it which you couldn't do by hand. That would be an interesting test, although probably not the safest.
So overall very impressed with this performance, I'll let people more wealthy than I pay the early-adopter tax though.
Intricate designs seem to either work fine or not at all in the mud. Like others have observed, the gaps in the top strap seem to be the main ingress point, so I'm wondering if that could be remediated by a different to strap design, or maybe some kind of gasket
@@PhycoKrusk What slightly surprises me are the gaps towards the front of the stop-strap, maybe intended to vent some gases from the locking/delaying piston, but I would guess almost definitely where mud got in to jam the slide.
Is this an intricate gun though? Genuine question it seems rather simple but that might just be because I understood it better than I do most pistols lol
I had the same exact thought. Not sure how unsafe it would be if it was chambered in the mud and then fired. Ian didn’t have it chambered so he wasn’t sticking his hand in front of the muzzle while it was loaded. Smart. I think it would likely only cause a failure to feed on the next round. Worst case it may have caused the slide to seize up so badly you could no longer move the slide. On the other hand, good chance the force of the round would have cleared the debris and continued to cycled, as you point it. Interesting it was 100% after the initial debris clearance.
@@Ezekiel_Allium compared to other blowback or tilting barrel pistols, yes. Even then, and this is walking back my earlier comment a bit, but the intricate designs that struggle with mud trend to do so because they have a lot of open spaces for mud to ingress.
Great video!
Larry Vickers brought his brand new Laugo with him for all students to try when he taught his Advanced Pistol Class in LA, back in January. Very impressive weapon and very generous of Larry to allow us to try the weapon out during the lunch breaks. (Outstanding instructor by the way - anyone whoever has the opportunity to take a class from Larry Vickers, should definitely do so as he definitely is "The Man" when it comes to firearms instruction!!)
Anyway, Ian, I'm actually quite surprised that given how much sandy mud you managed to get into the weapon, that it still was able to be cleared/fired. The Laugo is constructed to fine tolerances and "usually" the finer the tolerances that a pistol is designed/manufactured to, then the less capable that said weapon, however, your weapon still was able to be cleared/fired without much in the manner of cleaning. Incidentally, I think that you would have found it quicker/easier to clear if you had first completely dropped the magazine and then shaken out the pistol (keeping the muzzle pointed downrange), then ejected the chambered round - shaken the pistol some more - and then re-inserted the mag and chambered a round.
This video brought back memories of running the night live fire course during basic training.
It was cold, raining and muddy; my M16 had stopped firing due to mud fouling.
I remember dipping it in water puddles, on the course run, to keep it firing.
Please, would you do a dissection video to show the wear caused by 'mud running' the Alien Laugo? 🙏
Not wear but fouling and obstruction, but I agree.
+1
@@Stevarooni No, the original question was right. The slides and some internal pressure surfaces should have sustained *wear* from the firings.
@@babylonfive you're right, I hadn't thought from that side. Probably not a _whole_ lot.
@@Stevarooni you could hear the rocks scraping the inside of the magazine well when he was reloading. Would be fun to see what that actually did
Looked up the MSRP of an Alien halfway through this video. My soul hurts. Thank you, Ian for this scientific masterpiece
That's one of the reasons you're supposed to dispose of earplugs after one use, they absorb sweat and thus bacteria and can lead to ear infections if reused.
Very dependent on type and duration of usage
@@MrCarGuy but as a general rule.
It is always better to err on the side of caution.
Open cell foam.
Anyone who does manual labor outside and has to wear them knows the wet slimly feeling of sweaty earplugs, i prefer the pushins
Never knew this, thank you for saving me before I screwed myself, haha.
This result is much more impressive when one considers the fact that this sort of abuse and the conditions that caking mud onto the gun are intended to simulate are far, far outside the scope and use case that it was designed for. If Laugo is able to do this with their first time to market offering of this concept, especially understanding that it is not intended as an all-conditions service pistol or daily carry but as a high precision target shooting competition pistol, then it will be very interesting to see how they continue to improve upon the technology and potentially adapt it for other use-cases.
Okay Ian, now I want to see what she looks like once you've thoroughly cleaned her up, let's see how bad the scratching is and where it is the worst.
During my military life I had a standard 9mm Browning as side arm which worked in mud in the falklands. I also used it underwater and it never let me down. It was a primitive gun but it worked.
I'd like to see a video of the cleaning of these guns afterward. It would be interesting to see the process as well as what sort of damage the gun gets as a result of firing with all that grit in it
Cleaning? These are melt and sold as iron pans in the black market.
@@lasarousi lol:)
Ian put one up on his patreon
I was going to say it will probably be ok as it’s gas operated, then Ian started pulling on the slide.
On the upside once he got it shooting it ran fine.
Yeah, as soon as he got a bullet into the chamber it ran fine even with all that shit on it
It's not gas operated. It's blowback operated, gas delayed.
@@hodor3024 exactly. even less to go wrong with a blowback operated firearm.
@@AstolfoGayming no it didn't they washed it off. Then it worked.
service pistol certification test right there. that super soup that you put that through and then gold panned the mud into it by shaking it around is impressive and i'm almost certain that if you had around chambered before going into the mud on that first dunk it would have cleared itself enough for you to at least be able to clear the malfunction if it generated one of the first round fired.
This video made me cry. Hearing that slide and the grit was a sound I could do without ever hearing again.
Ian, as a Head and Neck Surgeon a word of advice, for a mud test I’d suggest a face shield and ballistic rated glasses and gloves in future
Armor vest with neck protection can also be quite important. Someting like guys fom KK wear In there torture tests
I was kind of cringing there a few times.
He's been doing this for a long time, as long as nothing gets in the chamber there isn't any danger.
He has been doing this a long time - but all it takes is one mistake or one overlooked element and you’ve got a chunk of metal flying back in your face.
No worries he'll just stick a thumb in it.
Defo not safe safe, but I would be interested in seeing the first, failed full submersion test re-done with a chambered round. Firing that could just force all the jamming gunk out of the way and as subsequent tests showed, once it fired it was fine.
Me too. also original test but quick single wipe off excess from top strap like a normal person might but not field strip.
They used to do that with mud tests. I don't know why he didn't think to this time.
So the lesson for this is, "as long as the gun is chambered it should run fine if you drop an alien in poorly mixed cement, mortar, or someone mixing soil and hay for baked bricks."
You must admire a guy who put his mud where his mouth is....Respect
I think it did very well too. That was particularly nasty mud, with fine gravel that’s perfect for jaming the slide of any pistol. If they can better seal the slide from foreign debris, it should be exceptionally reliable considering the fixed barrel (and gas system) as you mentioned.
“He’s gonna be careful, right?”
I think as he YEETS THE PISTOL INTO THE MUD
And on the 8th day, Gun Jesus created mud. And he bestowed upon the mud his beloved and begotten Laugo Alien, and he saw that it was good...
Cringe.
@@StewartLucrative gotta ask who asked?
@@foxslt4533 The same person that asked you, no one.
@@StewartLucrative First day on the internet?
@@NACAM42 No, is it yours?
I think if you started with it loaded, same condition you would carry it, then it would probably have worked from the beginning. The recoil itself seems to shake off a lot of the debris from the moving parts.
Good point.
I thought the same. Start with a round in the chamber before dumping it in the mud.
Twoooo things. I believe he started it chamber empty because in competition, that's how it'll be in your holster. #2, the pistol would have destroyed itself utterly if fired immediately after that initial mud dunk.
the gasses will also throw out a lot of crapwill
@@Hansengineering he starts it chamber empty for safety. Don’t want it going off while it’s being submerged/covered in mud. Could be dangerous. In competition you absolutely have a loaded chamber
A gun comparison with the Legendary Hilux, damn that's impressive! Also most funny part of the video is trying to pull the trigger and thinking somethings gone wrong with the gun, only to realize the pesky rock between the frame and trigger. Your videos on this gun have been the only ones I've watched, and if I had a spare 5k, I'd seriously consider this one. Thank you for your videos!
Hopefully now that the gun has been tested in this way that'll be useful feedback for the manufacturers to make it even function even better
Whenever Ian does a mud test, the first thing he does after the first round ist to spit out the mud...
As the traditional mud testing procedure is starting on a chambered round, I am wondering if this could possibly have worsened the result, as the chambering of the round already causes quite a bit of movement (and thus potential distribution of the mud).
Indeed also maybe the blockage he had could have been cleared by the first round already chambered ?
Maybe in this range he wasn’t allowed to do it ?
@@Echristoffe Thats probably the kind of thing you would do in competition but for the purposes of the video I can understand why he was attempting to present the test with as much gun safety in mind as possible which would essentially mean wihtthe manipulation he had to do with the plug and rolling around in the bowl of mud starting with no round chambered was way way safer
As someone who's seen your InRange mudtests, I think your first drop was a bit too wet a bit too deep. Usually your weapons aren't fully submerged, it's just a drop on each side and a shake off. And that mud looked REALLY soupy.
That and he shook the pan which allowed the mud to really get into all the crevices. Probably the most brutal mud test of all of them because of that
Yep that was slutch not mud, far too 'runny' and bound to fill and jam the exposed slide.
What the gun needs is for the top strap to lip over the top of the slide.
oh boy lets blame the mud like usual...
To be honest, the harsher the test the better.
@@DETHMOKIL
No, the mud maker.
I feel like i need an incognito tab for this
I'd say that's a fair "Oh Bugger!" test. I'd say even as a daily, you'd never do this, but guns fall into stuff when you don't pay attention. Stuff happens.
I think the remarkable thing is that to correct the malfunction you splashed some water on it rather than had to field strip and clean it.
Failure, yes. But easy to correct. And that's important too.
that was some pretty nasty gritty "mud", more like over saturated sand. i wonder how it would fair against an organic swamp type mud?
definitely a whole hell of a lot better, that was beyond worst-case mud, and it was completely submerged in the stuff. Really impressive result overall
Welcome to Arizona.
iamzid- or some good western Oregon mud. Its so nasty I've seen a caterpillar get stuck and sink all the way over the tracks. Had to cut up a couple a logs to firewood size and a couple a poles to jack the damn thing up. Its the fun part of logging on flat land.
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Which is strange to me as a Dane. Here you get "brown water" or "it's basically clay with a bit of sand in it". I've never encountered that "kid makes mud" kind of mud in the wild... Perhaps Ian needs to consult a mudologist of some sort...
We will have to wait for "Elbonian Brutality 2022".
I have a question about minor detail Ian, how did the coatings, bluing, whatever finish deal with the mud test?
Im curious because there was a lot of grit noises when you were moving the slid and the up close views you gave showed a lot of light colors but I assume that was just heat dryed mud.
Sand/mud is silicon dioxide, essentially quartz (mohs hardness rating of 7/10). It will scratch everything, unless it's sapphire/ruby or diamond.
@@anonypersona3189 yes but the particles are various sizes. It isn't clear to me how much clearance the parts have and how much abrasion has occured.
I'm certain some must of happened but where and how much?
"Toyota Hilux levels of reliability"
I understood that reference
Topgear
Next he needs to drop if from a crane or set it on fire.
Mud test? How hard could it be?
WhistlinDiesel
*Dumps it in the mud for a proper mud test*
"Doesn't seem to work."
*Swipes some mud across one side*
"At least the barrel doesn't have to tilt because that's an issue for every tilting barrel pistol out there."
It clearly failed the mud test, and yet he tried to explain it away and find reasons that it's still better than Browing design-based pistols. You can't polish a turd, but you can throw some glitter on it I guess.
I agree it failed.
Wow, when you rapid fired it at the start, there was so little muzzle climb it looked like a video game. That is a hell of a gun
I would have liked to have seen a tear down & clean out. Where did the mud get into? However, it looks like a quick swish in some water will take care of the majority of potential issues.
I'm thinking it was under the front of the slide, keeping it from going all the way back.
I think the internals and slide are very open and easy to rinse out.
but this wasn't in range® mud, this is forgotten weapons © mud this doesn't count
Pleasantly suprised. You'd think with new concepts like this would be totally unreliable. But it did better than the AK.
Mind you, about ten years ago, you could buy 6-9 decent AKs for the cost of 1 Alien.
@@EtherFox Honestly
There's some decent sub 1k AKs out there even now
And given that this thing is 5K...
When you get down to it, it mostly just looks weird. Low bore axis and gas-delayed blowback by themselves aren't new concepts and are pretty well understood. I think the Alien is just the first pistol to try combining the two
@@PhycoKrusk the real "new concept" in the Alien is the crazy upside-down hammer.
Thank you for baptizing this pistol. Merry Christmas!
As long as the elements involved in the torture test don't disrupt the head space of any gun, the firing pin will do its job.
And yes,there's other factors based on platforms
OMG it did GREAT. I'd bet that the sudden outgassing of the piston helps to migrate stuff "out" instead of in. For a handgun, that is an A+.
I wonder if the Laugo had a round chambered after the first mud drop if it would have cycled under force of firing. Ian struggled to get a grip on the slide to cycle it, and that's a quirk of the design; there's very little exposed slide compared to more "normative" pistol. Maybe some "ears" on the back of the slide or some small knobs would give more grip.
Bless the lord of guns for doing what no one else would likely ever do.
I've seen all of the internet classics - 2 girls one cup, goastsee, lemonparty, but this right here, this tops all of them as the most difficult to watch.
Love the camera guy interacting! We need more of that
I'd actually want each mud test to come with a crime scene investigation... I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, but I actually want to see the clean up and random goofy/whiskey hangout afterwards
Apparently were on the same crazy pills then...
Missed the mud tests. This is the one I’ve been waiting for!
Did better then I expected. It's nice to see mud tests again, especially on an interesting pistol. Hey Ian is this gonna be regular content or a one off? If regular would you consider testing the SA35/ HI Power
He mentions specifically that he's doing this because he was unable to find any similar content or testing on this pistol. The Hi Power is almost 100 years old so I'm sure you can find something.
He has a tonne of these on InrangeTV (his other channel).
My favorite there is the Luger, which performed flawlessly.
It is regular. Look at the InRangeTV.
@@RaDeus87 My favourite there is the Glock which failed miserably.
@@Eluderatnight Lugers were invented before WW1…
This is the standard break in procedure recommended by the manufacturer. First oil change after 3 mud bucket dumps.
8:21
"Learn something new every day." Ian, that's just one of myriad reasons I watch your channel.
Thanks and Merry Christmas!
I'm really glad that went as well as it did. Super excited to see it at matches.
I was cringing, crying and laughing at the same time, the best Forgotten Weapons video.
You've always started with a loaded chamber. You're changing the parameters of the mud test.
"I'm altering the mud test, pray that I do not alter it any further"
It's probably a safety thing, light trigger, no manual safety, and rocks and mud can make a dangerous combination
Watching it run perfectly after you were finally able to chamber a round was not what I was expecting lol
I appreciate the mind for safety the entire time. Even when struggling with the slide the finger stayed off the trigger and the gun stayed pointed in a safe direction.
The hot slide of the laugo really dries the mud quickly
I would never do this voluntarily to my also collectible 4800,-€ Alien 500, not even to any of my guns! Thank you for doing this, so I do know more about how capable my firearms are. :-D
Joined three minutes in and thought "That's not how you make a cake, Ian!"
I have to admit, when he tossed the Alien into the mud I puckered up a little bit. Kind of like watching a really nice car hitting the wall.
Now that's impressive! The only thing i've heard about this is how it's a great target shooter, so i expected it to be way less reliable than this. VERY interesting video!
Then in case you haven't. It's got a $5k price tag.
@@sijonda To be fair the 5k package includes two top rails, one with fully adjustable iron sights and one with a high-quality red dot. Both interchangeable in 20 seconds without losing zero. Still very expensive, but relatively reasonable compared to other boutique match guns.
@@maximilianmustermann5763 Well it's not a rifle but you can do more with a nice AR of them just as quickly for a 1/5 the cost. Even get some nice glass on one. I bring that up because of swapping uppers in a few seconds.
I’m almost certain that if this gun every really ends up seeing significant competition time people are going to modify that slide to accept one of those little side charging bars. Now whether or not that’s most achievable by some kind of rear strap replacement or if tapping and threading the side of the slide will be most effective still remains to be seen, but something is coming. Maybe a unit that tensions down on the slide serrations could even work.
As far as I understand it, the pistol was designed so it could be used in the IPSC production division. This is why they didn't add any typical competition parts like handles and paddles. People are going to modify it for other divisions.
Pack it with Vaseline, before the test. I'm betting that would prevent mud entry, but because of the design the pistol will still work. I was going to say a gasket around the slide, and that's also an option, but I'm concerned about wear.
*Bill Paxton*
WE'RE SCREWED MAN, WE'RE SCREWED!!!! NOW WHAT'RE WE GONNA DO?
3:25 the point of no return and the instant regret of the cameraman
The look on your face spoke volumes there Ian... willing it to succeed, knowing there was an issue! Kudos on a warts and all honest review!
I can imagine the people at Laugo watching this cringing and sobbing, "dear God NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!😫 But it did run. All in all not a bad result.
I’d consider this test a success for the Alien considering it would almost certainly be carried with a round in the chamber in real word conditions.
Very true.
That is so painfull to watch, but somebody has got to do it. Thanks for doing it 👍🏻
Well, as they say "the Gun Jesus suffered in our stead".
I'm amazed it fired and cycled rounds like that.
Oh for the love of God! You left us looking at a mud covered pistol. That can't be unseen.