Does anyone else really want to see Ian take this thing apart and clean it up while examining any damage or wear caused? Because I'd watch that for 40 minutes easily.
If they hadn't done adverse conditions testing that's not a selling point for a Gucci gun. A cheap gun not getting extended testing is somewhat forgivable, but a high end gun.. nah, they charge enough that they should have done testing to cover some reasonable 'what ifs'. Maybe we'll see some sand cuts on the g2.
@@Jaslath competitions are won by the smallest of margins among the most elite athletes. Why else would you spend so much time developing a different platform to perform at the highest level compared to the normal offerings on the market? If you have an oops and dump your gun or 'something' happens, you lose. Your sponsor loses. It simply has to work no matter what in that environment. It's nice to see that it's doing really well with Ian abusing it, but if that hasn't been done already by the manufacturer that seems like an oversight on something supposedly so well though out. I'm hoping that's not the case.
@@rifleshooterchannel208 it's a target pistol that has very low recoil because of its gas system and where the barrel is located. It's not just expensive because it can.
I live in an area where we get "moon dust." The stuff has the consistency of powdered sugar, sticks to everything, and can build up so deep you literally sink into it if you step in the wrong place. I have a memory of my friend and I riding our ATVs through the foothills and he ran straight into a bank of this stuff and it just swallowed the front half of his 4 wheeler in a spectacular "poof" of dust. Lucky for us, I had a winch and we got him out ok. This stuff is probably one of the worst things you could get on your gun. I think soupy wet concrete mix might be worse but just barely.
If anybody has ever been in a cement making plant, that ultra fine dust just destroys any kind of bearing surface. Because it's small enough to get past dust shields in the bearings, and while not horribly abrasive, it doesn't take much time to destroy something that's rotating at 1700-3500 RPM. And that ultra fine dust gets EVERYWHERE. In fact that dust is so bad, that in some plants you are required to wear a respirator mask, so that you don't get silicosis. Which is basically black lung disease, but not from coal. A dust mask won't cut it, because those particles are so fine they go right through eventually.
We had politicians _(tied to unions)_ telling construction workers that cloth masks from covid are suitable replacements for N95s and proper respirators... They were dealing with more than just asbestos... The fact that they were working in that... they should be sued.
I worked at a block plant in maintenance, and you are SO right. We went through bearings like freaking candy, nothing worked. Plus the cement dust makes your hair so dry and brittle that you can grab it and it makes crunching noises.
@@gresvig2507 I've just dealt with cement on the contractor level. For years I was a wheelbarrow or shovel man. I'd either get sore arms from transporting loads of concrete across someone's yard, or standing knee deep in the stuff getting it into place around trenches. I always thought the guy in charge of the mixing had it easy: stand by the mixer and keep the ratio right. One day our usual guy was out, and I was at the mixer, and by the time we were ready to leave my hair smelled like gunpowder, and was drier than anything I'd ever felt before. And it crunched just the way you describe. I can't imagine working around the stuff as it's being manufactured.
Back before I did my army service I worked a summer in the Hydro fertilizer plant in Porsgrunn/Telemark/Norway. As a temp I was volunteered for the annual cleaning of the phosphate rock powder intake line, that stuff was so fine that it acted more like a liquid than a solid, i.e. in pools of it you could get waves, and trying to lift it out with a spade it out you never got more than would fit inside the concavity of the shovel blade. I suspect it would be very similar to the "moon dust" stuff you used here, or maybe even worse due to the alkalinity?
The mad genius who gave you that pistol to abuse should get a salesman of the year award. That the trigger linkage survived quick dry AZ concrete (mud) and moon dust that killed the magazine is very impressive.
The Alien explicitly didn't survive the mud test in a meaningful way. It's one of few guns that have received a water bath before being fired, which it got because it couldn't even chamber the first round. That's a massive fail by MAC's standards.
@@EtherFox Well, in InRangeTv test Glock had the advantage to go into the mud with round in the chamber and after two rounds it failed and cleaning under water didnt make it to live again.. Alien didnt have the advantage and after brief clean up started to work flawlessly.
@@EtherFox: I said trigger linkage not slide rails. Pretty sure it would have done better if a round was chambered. The Laugo Alien has got a very complex trigger linkage, and that survived though there was too much crud in rails to get pistol slide far enough chamber a round.
Exact this kind of problem with fine dust making magazins malfunction happen on German Bundeswehr P8's in Afghanistan. HK solved the problem on the P8A1 in changing the mags from black polymere with witness holes to translucent polymere w/o witness holes.
Seems like an easy enough solution for a gun of this value, and I guess it says something when even HK has to make these sorts of revisions, nothing is perfect but good to know that improvements are easy / cheap enough to be viable.
I would suggest trying it in snow and subzero temps to simulate the "Finnish Brutality" conditions. I would suspect it won't affect the performance much.
This is my next desire. Cold, dirty water sloshed all over the handgun at sub zero temps like in that one stage where you are in a 'flooded trench' running back and forth.
That's what I was just thinking. Get somewhere sub-zero, pour water on it, drop it in snow, let it sit and freeze up for a few minutes and see what it takes to break the slide back open and chamber a round, fire some off. AKs do it good, most other guns not so much.
I wonder whether, in that case, the chamber warming up faster than the rest would lead to disproportionate expansion of the parts, and get something stuck somewhere....
Hey Ian! I think that pistol is irretrievably ruined. I'll give you, let's see, maybe $300 for it. Take it off your hands so you don't have to scrap it.
@@oompaloompagrande these tests do not include magazine swaps. The testing simulates in field conditions in which you need to fire your gun immedietley after. Yes you can swap out a mag, but you cant add factors which arent included in the intial tests.
Marvin the Martian never had any issues with 'Moon Dust' and neither did Yosemite Sam with 'Sand'... However, both of their problems were with hares....
I would love to see the Alien run COLD. i.e. in arctic conditions. I know that tight tolerance parts have issues at very cold temperature. and harden parts can get brittle. SO.. -40C, 0% relative humidity, non-condensation atmosphere. For Science
A good test should be to wipe the gun of oil. Carry it a full day in -10 -20 celcius and then spend the night in a tent full of soaking wet clothes and a woodstove and try to go out early the next morning and try to fire it after the condensation has frosen.
@@borjesvensson8661 That would be harsh! 👍 Carrying a gun all day will definitely chill it down. Exposing the gun in a warm moist tent would cause condensation and Yes, would it fire after... But How will Ian replicate the condition(s) in the South West US?
Flash back to the 1907 US pistol trials and now you all know how Georg Luger, John Browning etc., felt when they saw their pride and joy dumped in a bucket of dirt and dust!
Its not free considering resale value. Value is how much people are willing to spend for it, so this could be a costly event. Or if people care so much that its Ian's tested version it could be worth more. But hell it aint free unless he gives it for free
Not gonna lie, the bulldust in that blue barrel had me worried. The result after swapping out the fouled mag was beyond impressive for such a finely toleranced piece. Props to Mr McCollum for going BigClive on such a spendy piece of kit; "I do this so you don't have to"
Super impressed with both tests! By now the slide is well broken in. The most impressive was that a plugged barrel didn't even stop it. That poor ear plug didn't stand a chance.
Off the top of my head, I'd love to see a sort of "marsh" condition (might be hard to replicate but think mud test with less dirt more water that helps the dirt flow where it's not desired) much more common here in the east coast. One test that might be interesting to see but my have to wait is cold and extreme cold, since metal shrinks and the closely machined tolerances might start to bind up. Might have to try and get one of the canadian guntubers like Arm&Gun to try that one. Otherwise the only other tests I can think of involve feeding it garbage ammunition to see how it handles low pressure loads and odd case materials, though I imagine Laugo has already tested those. Thanks for being willing to do this, looks like the design has huge promise if they can get the price down eventually, and possibly introduce other calibers (I'd sell a kidney for one in 7.5FK)
Did that Laugo just say Oooph on it's 1st shot after the "Dirt bath"? 2:12 Or was that the collective sound of all the lovers of fine pistols as they imagined what that grit was doing to those expensive parts?
I believe guys at Laugo do appreciate the exposure. Given the generally favourable results of Ians testing (and his confidence in taking it to competitions), you can hardly get more targeted advertisement than this. And only for the manufacturing cost of a single gun!
I love seeing these toture test, but as a guy that lives in the artic climate I would love to see a frosting test at some point (granted not too easy to do where Ian resides) but guns get quite funky after a good frosting
@@PebelWasTaken Moisture("wet" snow) getting into the inner working and freezing would be a real world condition that you need to worry about. Even the choice of "lubricant" becomes a critical decision that needs to be considered for sub-artic conditions much less true artic conditions.
Precisely the problems I encountered at DB with my rifle. My AK was fine with its liberal coating of moondust. My plum Tula mag, however, got a generous helping of dust ingestion when I abandoned it at the DMR position of Stage 3, rendering the follower incredibly grindy and sticky afterwards. I finished the match with my other three mags, disassembled and cleaned when I got home, and now it's perfectly fine again. Moondust just does a number on magazines in particular.
I bet your friend is so proud right now, imagine watching that little beast eat all that and only need clean mags to run and any gun with any dirty mags would fail the same test.
In my homeland, moondust-type sand is known as chuca or chusca (ultra-fine-grained sand with the presence of sodium nitrates, very characteristic of the Atacama desert).
I have seen SIG X-fives cease to function because of the accumulated gunk from firing a few hundred rounds of range ammo. This level of endurance from a tightly assembled sports gun is simply amazing!
I am very glad that you are performing these tests. The Alien may have been intended as a competition pistol, but upon hearing about it, I was immediately curious as to whether or not it would make a good combat pistol. Between this and your mud test I would definitely say that the design has potential to excel in that role. I have been wanting to see more gas delayed firearms for years, and I think that nobody has executed the idea better than Laugo. Now I just want to see a polymer framed version to cut off some weight for duty use.
When he was digging out the sand, I went to fast forward 5 seconds, but my phone way messed up and was actually only rewinding fast enough that Ian was stuck in a digging loop. I'm like man it is taking FOREVER for him to fill that bucket. That was hilarious and dumb lol
Add something to increase grip on the slide and it wouldn't have any problems with the mud test. For the sand it looks like the magazine could need some modification either to clear sand that gets in or prevent it from getting in.
I can't help but feel that Ian would be harsher in his wordage with 99% of other guns. The tests themselves are certainly difficult, but I think that if Ian were testing a service pistol instead, he would say the results are basically 'par' rather than 'great but not quite perfect' given the issues that occurred. I get that the Alien isn't necessarily designed to be an unstoppable workhorse, and that it's innovative and has that coolness aura of a $5,000 pricetag etc, but especially given that there are a number of pistols out there for a fifth to a tenth the price that would've performed as good if not better, I think that's important to assess the results relative to other, albeit more boring pistols if we're trying to be objective.
It's really impressive to see that the Alien isn't just a unique or different operating system, but also a reliable system. I for sure had thought that the interchangeable top rails would have been an Achilles heel in these tests.
Laugo would pay some R&D engineers six figures to conduct tests like these meanwhile Ian is out here doing it just for fun. Sending Ian a gun was a cost saving measure in the long run.
Failure to feed was probably caused by the lower spring tensioned magazine springs. Laugo Arms sent me some lighter magazine springs (after I bought mine back in Jan 2020) if I wanted to change them out... I never did - got no problem loading the higher powered spring.
I really didn't believe it would cycle after swapping for a clean mag. I thought it was toast. My jaw was open a little bit when Ian successfully magdumped afterwards.
Damn, i just noticed you're wearing the Croatian digital camo pattern, that's cool since I'm from Croatia and really like it's looks with the map of Croatia being part of the pattern (notice the parts in brown)
Some years ago I suggested a mud test on a Korth PRS, and someone replied with: "You wouldn't bring a Ferrari to a dirty track race." Well, looks like Ian would, it would just be a different Ferrari.
just a word of advice... don't watch The Military Arms Channel then, they regularly run THE GAUNTLET on guns that makes 'just touching the ground' looks like childs play.
@@StewartLucrative True, but go take a look at some of the 2 gun events he competes in: a lot of them involve dirt, dust, mud, snow, and other unpleasantness, conditions in which guns he has run have malfunctioned before. Plus, he’s got an engineering background, a profession that thrives on data and experimental processes.
Start with a round in the chamber and I'm sure it would've passed 100% . Maybe mag change with clean magazine would be it. I really do think all the problems were created chambering the first round.
@@SenorBigDong69 IIRC from the initial tear down video, this does not have some of the safety features of a glock, etc. Not that surprising given it’s intended use vs. utility/military pistols
@@SenorBigDong69 I’m sure he made some comment about safety in relation to easy if A.D. / dropping / etc. It could come down to the relatively heavy trigger on a glock vs. the light match trigger if the trigger safety were to get disabled by debris, etc.
Very impressive! I was surprised, I think Ian forgot to take the plug from the barrel after the moon dust. Impressive test, albeit a little sad to see such a beautiful pistol put through such a test. The makers should be proud.
... Dude, I get the feeling by the time this testing is done over the series, that it will end up with Ian dragging this pistol behind a 1972 Scout all through the desert, over rocks, and through a river...The pistol will survive but the Scout will not 😬
An interesting test would be the Alien vs. a Glock vs. another competition gun like a CZ shadow 2 all in moon dust. Another test would be an endurance test to see how long the Alien can go without cleaning.
I don't know if you remember the Long Way Round series with Erwan McGregor and Charley Boorman. Initially they contacted KTM to supply their bikes. KTM politely declined. Then they went to BWM, who provided the GS. And subsequently sold them in their thousands... Sometimes it pays to sacrifice freebies, which are nowhere as expensive to a manufacturer as the retail price is to customers, to get efficient advertising.
Still shows that the magazine is the heart of the firearm. Same issue I had during GW1 with M9 mags (both Italian and CheckMate) with the sand in Saudi Arabia. Had to disassemble and clean my mags often.
Mag is often the less focused part in the design phase as "not much" are in there. It seems that the follower will need some redesigning. Just having a stronger spring will not solve the problem
Magazines seem to be the least weather resistant thing in most good gun designs, seems like in order to have a mag that doesn't bind on every little grain of sand during "real" everyday use requires larger tolerances which inevitably cause issues in these extreme tests. Not sure how one could seal a magazine from the top considering there is always going to be caps around the feed lips / top cartridge and to a lesser extent around the follower. I think for all practical purposes, this is good enough, if the most you have to do to get the gun working from muddy or sandy conditions is put in a new mag and rack the slide, that's EXCELLENT and I personally wouldn't accept many compromises for a slight improvement here. And I think it's also possible we could have seen an even better performance in the mud test if a round had been chambered before being submerged, either way it's an astonishing gun / mechanism.
See if you can replicate amphibious conditions. I.e. get some beach sand and go from full immersion in water (especially sea water if you have the chance) to immediately being buried in the beach sand, then try to fire it.
What a great pistol. Imagine how many they would sell if they were reasonably priced. I’d love to try one but $4k is just too far out of my price range.
To be fair, they’re already back ordered for production at $4k, they probably don’t have the manufacturing capacity to go for economy of scale just yet.
Absolutely brilliant move on Laugo's part sending one of these to Ian. I know they're having no problems with sales now, but long term, when the hype dies down and someone is wondering what kind of race gun they want to drop a couple grand on they're going to run into these videos and it's just going to keep the money rolling in.
Between this and the last test, it seems that there's almost nothing stopping this thing from firing, as long as you get the first round chambered somehow and the mag isn't completely disabled by dirt. While we're torturing this poor thing, how about freezing it?
Only thing I wonder about with the Laugo is its heat dispersion. The build up of heat at a specific point on the frame of the gun could cause longevity issues. But, I guess we'll see.
Im impressed, the Alien is an over the counter race gun and to me it seems very reliable all things concidered. Not only Ians torture but also Honest outlaws 1k round test.
“This is going to be a truly awful experience for this poor alien”
I wonder how many times that’s been said at Area 51
It could be worse like aliens doing the torturing.
@@mohammedimran3670 idk humans are pretty good at torture
"This is going to be awful for this poor human... Activate the probe!"
Area 51 probably has actual moondust to use too
Never? Unless they've been torturing Mexicans!
Does anyone else really want to see Ian take this thing apart and clean it up while examining any damage or wear caused? Because I'd watch that for 40 minutes easily.
I second this
He did for a Patreon only video :)
@Jordan Flyer was it good
@@JordanFlayer That alone is making me consider becoming a patron!
@@JordanFlayer Which tier? The behind the scenes one, or the basic one?
i am sure the guys at Laugo appreciate the rigorous testing done.
Hope they're watching this so they can do a product improvement in the Mk II version or however they want to call the next one
If they hadn't done adverse conditions testing that's not a selling point for a Gucci gun. A cheap gun not getting extended testing is somewhat forgivable, but a high end gun.. nah, they charge enough that they should have done testing to cover some reasonable 'what ifs'.
Maybe we'll see some sand cuts on the g2.
@@TheOz91 Aliens
@@randomidiot8142
Is this considered reasonable for a competition pistol?
@@Jaslath competitions are won by the smallest of margins among the most elite athletes. Why else would you spend so much time developing a different platform to perform at the highest level compared to the normal offerings on the market? If you have an oops and dump your gun or 'something' happens, you lose. Your sponsor loses. It simply has to work no matter what in that environment.
It's nice to see that it's doing really well with Ian abusing it, but if that hasn't been done already by the manufacturer that seems like an oversight on something supposedly so well though out. I'm hoping that's not the case.
Honestly, just having mag issues is impressive. And that's not bad at all for a race gun.
Heck, thats as good as a lot of "real" military guns.
Especially with the design of the slide and rail with the small space between them it did really good
Considering it was dusted to such an extent as well, very cool test results.
and what gun *doesn't* have mag issues to some degree?
And it ran just fine with a new, clean magazine.
People at Laugo should be very proud of this gun.
They are. Proud enough to charge 4 grand anyway...
@@averageodd It is for your rappers to flex with.
@@averageodd you're lucky if you can find it for $4k. Everywhere else I've seen this pistol: $5.5k-6k 🤦♂️
@@rifleshooterchannel208 it's a target pistol that has very low recoil because of its gas system and where the barrel is located. It's not just expensive because it can.
@@rifleshooterchannel208 Lol, I see you found new Alien video to troll on, you seem to have some personal problem with it...
I live in an area where we get "moon dust." The stuff has the consistency of powdered sugar, sticks to everything, and can build up so deep you literally sink into it if you step in the wrong place. I have a memory of my friend and I riding our ATVs through the foothills and he ran straight into a bank of this stuff and it just swallowed the front half of his 4 wheeler in a spectacular "poof" of dust. Lucky for us, I had a winch and we got him out ok. This stuff is probably one of the worst things you could get on your gun. I think soupy wet concrete mix might be worse but just barely.
>soupy wet concrete mix
So basically the mud he put in it last time!
@@Talguy21 Except it hardens if you don't get it rinsed off right quick in a hurry.
Not to mention that dust just murders your lungs.
I moved from Nevada a couple of years ago, I'm *still* trying to wash the moon dust off of my rigs! 😄
It's called fesh fesh in dakar/rally, sand that's been eroded down, gathering in one place. It's the same stuff as quicksand without the water.
Moon dust is very fitting, I have a feeling the alien would fit in perfectly at lunar brutality in 100 years.
Lunar Brutality, where you find out if you're though enough to be dropped on Klendathu.
the fabled alien, still persists after 2 GALACTIC WARS!!!!!
They found a UFO in an archealogical dig, that really throws a wrench into things doesnt it....
If anybody has ever been in a cement making plant, that ultra fine dust just destroys any kind of bearing surface. Because it's small enough to get past dust shields in the bearings, and while not horribly abrasive, it doesn't take much time to destroy something that's rotating at 1700-3500 RPM. And that ultra fine dust gets EVERYWHERE.
In fact that dust is so bad, that in some plants you are required to wear a respirator mask, so that you don't get silicosis. Which is basically black lung disease, but not from coal. A dust mask won't cut it, because those particles are so fine they go right through eventually.
We had politicians _(tied to unions)_ telling construction workers that cloth masks from covid are suitable replacements for N95s and proper respirators...
They were dealing with more than just asbestos...
The fact that they were working in that... they should be sued.
I worked at a block plant in maintenance, and you are SO right. We went through bearings like freaking candy, nothing worked. Plus the cement dust makes your hair so dry and brittle that you can grab it and it makes crunching noises.
@@gresvig2507 I've just dealt with cement on the contractor level. For years I was a wheelbarrow or shovel man. I'd either get sore arms from transporting loads of concrete across someone's yard, or standing knee deep in the stuff getting it into place around trenches.
I always thought the guy in charge of the mixing had it easy: stand by the mixer and keep the ratio right. One day our usual guy was out, and I was at the mixer, and by the time we were ready to leave my hair smelled like gunpowder, and was drier than anything I'd ever felt before. And it crunched just the way you describe. I can't imagine working around the stuff as it's being manufactured.
My thoughts and prayers go out to your maintenance team
Back before I did my army service I worked a summer in the Hydro fertilizer plant in Porsgrunn/Telemark/Norway. As a temp I was volunteered for the annual cleaning of the phosphate rock powder intake line, that stuff was so fine that it acted more like a liquid than a solid, i.e. in pools of it you could get waves, and trying to lift it out with a spade it out you never got more than would fit inside the concavity of the shovel blade. I suspect it would be very similar to the "moon dust" stuff you used here, or maybe even worse due to the alkalinity?
The mad genius who gave you that pistol to abuse should get a salesman of the year award. That the trigger linkage survived quick dry AZ concrete (mud) and moon dust that killed the magazine is very impressive.
The Alien explicitly didn't survive the mud test in a meaningful way. It's one of few guns that have received a water bath before being fired, which it got because it couldn't even chamber the first round. That's a massive fail by MAC's standards.
@@EtherFox Yeah... But barely any pistol can survive mud test anyway...
@@sir0herrbatka Not to mention that if Ian chambered a round in the alien it would've likely been fine in the mud.
@@EtherFox Well, in InRangeTv test Glock had the advantage to go into the mud with round in the chamber and after two rounds it failed and cleaning under water didnt make it to live again.. Alien didnt have the advantage and after brief clean up started to work flawlessly.
@@EtherFox: I said trigger linkage not slide rails. Pretty sure it would have done better if a round was chambered. The Laugo Alien has got a very complex trigger linkage, and that survived though there was too much crud in rails to get pistol slide far enough chamber a round.
Exact this kind of problem with fine dust making magazins malfunction happen on German Bundeswehr P8's in Afghanistan. HK solved the problem on the P8A1 in changing the mags from black polymere with witness holes to translucent polymere w/o witness holes.
Same with the M9's original parkerized (per gov't spec) magazines. New slick finishes solved that problem.
I would like to see the company or an aftermarket company create a mag for this pistol with one of those salutations applied then tested again.
@@november_victor9693 Something without witness holes, and a rubber gasket at the bottom to keep dirt and mud out maybe
Seems like an easy enough solution for a gun of this value, and I guess it says something when even HK has to make these sorts of revisions, nothing is perfect but good to know that improvements are easy / cheap enough to be viable.
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I would suggest trying it in snow and subzero temps to simulate the "Finnish Brutality" conditions. I would suspect it won't affect the performance much.
This is my next desire. Cold, dirty water sloshed all over the handgun at sub zero temps like in that one stage where you are in a 'flooded trench' running back and forth.
That's what I was just thinking. Get somewhere sub-zero, pour water on it, drop it in snow, let it sit and freeze up for a few minutes and see what it takes to break the slide back open and chamber a round, fire some off. AKs do it good, most other guns not so much.
I wonder whether, in that case, the chamber warming up faster than the rest would lead to disproportionate expansion of the parts, and get something stuck somewhere....
I think I hear everyone who aspires to owning one of these beauties cringing in horror as they watch this cruel and unusual torture.
Especially when I noticed that Ian didn't pull the earplug out after the "moon dusting"
The gritty metallic sounds hurt down to the soul!
Hey Ian! I think that pistol is irretrievably ruined. I'll give you, let's see, maybe $300 for it. Take it off your hands so you don't have to scrap it.
Id be cherring him on.
People think it's a beauitie? Huh.
It's impressive that even with the moon dust, it's not even the gun itself that breaks down, just the magazine.
A gun without a working magazine is about as good as a gun shaped paper weight.
@@bigkaswrx8115 it's a good thing magazines are easily replaceable.
@@bigkaswrx8115 change mag. Gtg
Lost mag spring tension? Now we know why hommies shoot sideways , upside down to accomplish gravity feed.
@@oompaloompagrande these tests do not include magazine swaps. The testing simulates in field conditions in which you need to fire your gun immedietley after. Yes you can swap out a mag, but you cant add factors which arent included in the intial tests.
Marvin the Martian never had any issues with 'Moon Dust' and neither did Yosemite Sam with 'Sand'... However, both of their problems were with hares....
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@@FurnishedIgloo Some people might say it has a hare trigger.
🥕🥕🥕"What's up doc?"🐇🐇🐇
Ian's Flex, Part 2
Gun Jesus sacrificed his Alien so no one has to
I would love to see the Alien run COLD. i.e. in arctic conditions. I know that tight tolerance parts have issues at very cold temperature. and harden parts can get brittle. SO.. -40C, 0% relative humidity, non-condensation atmosphere.
For Science
will certainly happen in the next finnish brutality match :)
Ian should do the same dry ice tests James did on TFBtv… or better yet, have James as a guest to do it
A good test should be to wipe the gun of oil. Carry it a full day in -10 -20 celcius and then spend the night in a tent full of soaking wet clothes and a woodstove and try to go out early the next morning and try to fire it after the condensation has frosen.
@@borjesvensson8661 That would be harsh! 👍 Carrying a gun all day will definitely chill it down. Exposing the gun in a warm moist tent would cause condensation and Yes, would it fire after...
But How will Ian replicate the condition(s) in the South West US?
@@3kids2cats1dog go camping in the costco vegetable section? :p
There needs to be a certification for use by manufacturers "Tested by Forgotten Weapons/InRangeTV" ... so the rest of us know before buying.
There is the "InRangeTV stamp of hubris"... I'd put that on my stuff...
Just like how lock makers should put "Tested and passed by LPL".
Flash back to the 1907 US pistol trials and now you all know how Georg Luger, John Browning etc., felt when they saw their pride and joy dumped in a bucket of dirt and dust!
Very cool.
Would you show us the cleaning process?
Drop it in a bucket of water and shake?
Field strip, drop the parts in a bucket of clean water, shake it a bit, let it dry, apply lubricant, done.
I would assume with the quality of this gun and the intricate parts - a full CLP bath and a Sonic Cleaning would be in order
Fill an ultra sonic bath with penetrating oil. Dump all the components in. Order pizza....
@@andersjjensen never ever put aluminum in a ultrasonic bath you may destroy the finish.
I love that Ian is willing to do this to an expensive gun
Well he did say that he got sent to him by the manufacturer, so he's not "wasting" his own money
@@vinny142 it appears to be a well deserved advertisement
Its not free considering resale value. Value is how much people are willing to spend for it, so this could be a costly event. Or if people care so much that its Ian's tested version it could be worth more. But hell it aint free unless he gives it for free
@TheMetalGuy852 when you get Christmas gifts that have a retail value, does that make them free?
@@ja0298 free stuff is free stuff for the person who gets it for free, not really that hard of a concept to grasp
Not gonna lie, the bulldust in that blue barrel had me worried. The result after swapping out the fouled mag was beyond impressive for such a finely toleranced piece.
Props to Mr McCollum for going BigClive on such a spendy piece of kit; "I do this so you don't have to"
Super impressed with both tests! By now the slide is well broken in. The most impressive was that a plugged barrel didn't even stop it. That poor ear plug didn't stand a chance.
Drops in moon dust, shakes thoroughly and pauses. “That does not bode well.” Shakes it a few more times.
I love it when you talk to the camera man, feels like you are talking to the viewers
Off the top of my head, I'd love to see a sort of "marsh" condition (might be hard to replicate but think mud test with less dirt more water that helps the dirt flow where it's not desired) much more common here in the east coast. One test that might be interesting to see but my have to wait is cold and extreme cold, since metal shrinks and the closely machined tolerances might start to bind up. Might have to try and get one of the canadian guntubers like Arm&Gun to try that one. Otherwise the only other tests I can think of involve feeding it garbage ammunition to see how it handles low pressure loads and odd case materials, though I imagine Laugo has already tested those.
Thanks for being willing to do this, looks like the design has huge promise if they can get the price down eventually, and possibly introduce other calibers (I'd sell a kidney for one in 7.5FK)
Over the beach conditions. I.e. beach sand, salt water, full immersion immediately followed by a proper crunching and burial into the sand.
We have this new thing called a freezer so you don't have to relocate to a different locale in a different season to check temp sensitivity..?
I enjoy that Ian is putting this gun through it's paces in ways that it was never intended to perform.
I have never wanted a gun before but this Laugo Alien... Wow. It's a beautiful piece of engineering.
Nice. Thanks for making the extra effort to truly test this in mud, sand AND dust.
Did that Laugo just say Oooph on it's 1st shot after the "Dirt bath"? 2:12 Or was that the collective sound of all the lovers of fine pistols as they imagined what that grit was doing to those expensive parts?
I believe guys at Laugo do appreciate the exposure. Given the generally favourable results of Ians testing (and his confidence in taking it to competitions), you can hardly get more targeted advertisement than this. And only for the manufacturing cost of a single gun!
The abuse will continue until morale improves.
I wonder what this sounds like in person. The audible delight we have here is so cool.
I love seeing these toture test, but as a guy that lives in the artic climate I would love to see a frosting test at some point (granted not too easy to do where Ian resides) but guns get quite funky after a good frosting
easy enough put it in the freezer overnight faze 2 put it in water shot it then freezer
I'd imagine a freezer could be somewhat similar
Maybe he'll do it next Finnish brutality!
Freezer could having iceing issues from condensation that would make the gun unsafe.
@@PebelWasTaken Moisture("wet" snow) getting into the inner working and freezing would be a real world condition that you need to worry about. Even the choice of "lubricant" becomes a critical decision that needs to be considered for sub-artic conditions much less true artic conditions.
Precisely the problems I encountered at DB with my rifle. My AK was fine with its liberal coating of moondust. My plum Tula mag, however, got a generous helping of dust ingestion when I abandoned it at the DMR position of Stage 3, rendering the follower incredibly grindy and sticky afterwards. I finished the match with my other three mags, disassembled and cleaned when I got home, and now it's perfectly fine again. Moondust just does a number on magazines in particular.
This suceess despite the mud and sand rigor is testament to the engineers at Laugo! Job Well Done!
I mean it makes perfect sense that the Alien can somewhat tolerate moon dust.
I got a bit worried when Ian forgot to take the barrel plug out after the moondust bucket....
A foam ear plug won't hurt the gun. That's not a real barrel obstruction
@@Nagger666 yes, it gets blown out by the air ahead of the bullet in the bore. Same deal as covering the muzzle with tape.
After watch Demolition Ranch concrete the end of pistols and fire them with little or no issue, I have no worries for earplugs.
I wasn't worried, but astonished he forgot it. And no words from behind the camera: four-eyes-principle failed! 🤐
@@kingfishercomputing9497 those were hi-points tho
I bet your friend is so proud right now, imagine watching that little beast eat all that and only need clean mags to run and any gun with any dirty mags would fail the same test.
In my homeland, moondust-type sand is known as chuca or chusca (ultra-fine-grained sand with the presence of sodium nitrates, very characteristic of the Atacama desert).
Can’t wait to see how well this shoots in competition.
I appreciate the dedication to sift your own moon dust. People who never dealt with it just wouldn't get how much worst it is.
Of course an alien had no problem with moon dust. You should try earth dust on it.
The sounds coming from that beautiful piece of engineering caused me physical pain
Yeah. I think I'd rather chew my own teeth than listen to that slide rack again...
I have seen SIG X-fives cease to function because of the accumulated gunk from firing a few hundred rounds of range ammo. This level of endurance from a tightly assembled sports gun is simply amazing!
I imagine Laugo's HQ yesterday "oh god, Ian uploaded a picture on his Instagram..."
I am very glad that you are performing these tests. The Alien may have been intended as a competition pistol, but upon hearing about it, I was immediately curious as to whether or not it would make a good combat pistol. Between this and your mud test I would definitely say that the design has potential to excel in that role. I have been wanting to see more gas delayed firearms for years, and I think that nobody has executed the idea better than Laugo. Now I just want to see a polymer framed version to cut off some weight for duty use.
Gotta appreciate Ian going all the way to the moon to get dust for this test.
Do NOT underestimate the quality of the lunar regolith they call sand in his part of the world. Impressive sir.......
When he was digging out the sand, I went to fast forward 5 seconds, but my phone way messed up and was actually only rewinding fast enough that Ian was stuck in a digging loop. I'm like man it is taking FOREVER for him to fill that bucket. That was hilarious and dumb lol
I love how with the weird acoustics of shooting right next to the berm, the Alien sounds like a ray gun
Ian: apologies. Laugo: furiously taking notes for testing criteria to be added for future models.
Add something to increase grip on the slide and it wouldn't have any problems with the mud test. For the sand it looks like the magazine could need some modification either to clear sand that gets in or prevent it from getting in.
I love the *shink* sound the slide makes when it closes
I can't help but feel that Ian would be harsher in his wordage with 99% of other guns.
The tests themselves are certainly difficult, but I think that if Ian were testing a service pistol instead, he would say the results are basically 'par' rather than 'great but not quite perfect' given the issues that occurred. I get that the Alien isn't necessarily designed to be an unstoppable workhorse, and that it's innovative and has that coolness aura of a $5,000 pricetag etc, but especially given that there are a number of pistols out there for a fifth to a tenth the price that would've performed as good if not better, I think that's important to assess the results relative to other, albeit more boring pistols if we're trying to be objective.
Ian's custom builds: heavily weathered Laugo
It's really impressive to see that the Alien isn't just a unique or different operating system, but also a reliable system.
I for sure had thought that the interchangeable top rails would have been an Achilles heel in these tests.
For a competition piece this is astoundingly reliable.
Moon dust is really coarse and sharp and sticks to almost anything.
@Peter smith Sand is weathered out and is smooth. Like small marbles.
So glad to hear you'll be using it at matches can't wait to see how well you do
Did anyone else notice that he forgot to remove the barrel plug after the moon dusting 👀👀👀 good thing it wasn’t in there too tight
well it's just a foam earplug he uses as a barrel plug, so not to worry
Worlds most powerful nerf gun?
watch Demolition Ranch video on Hi-Point barrel obstructions.. nerf ain't nuthing...
I'm glad to see this done with a full mag, I found the mag to be a biggest cause of malfunctions in dusty environments
Laugo would pay some R&D engineers six figures to conduct tests like these meanwhile Ian is out here doing it just for fun. Sending Ian a gun was a cost saving measure in the long run.
Failure to feed was probably caused by the lower spring tensioned magazine springs. Laugo Arms sent me some lighter magazine springs (after I bought mine back in Jan 2020) if I wanted to change them out... I never did - got no problem loading the higher powered spring.
That sound of dusty working parts just took me right back to the 1st Gulf War....shudder.
I really didn't believe it would cycle after swapping for a clean mag. I thought it was toast. My jaw was open a little bit when Ian successfully magdumped afterwards.
Damn, i just noticed you're wearing the Croatian digital camo pattern, that's cool since I'm from Croatia and really like it's looks with the map of Croatia being part of the pattern (notice the parts in brown)
Some years ago I suggested a mud test on a Korth PRS, and someone replied with: "You wouldn't bring a Ferrari to a dirty track race." Well, looks like Ian would, it would just be a different Ferrari.
This weapon is relaiable. Is interesting how much Ian abuse it and stil work with a small hiccups.
this is the greatest advertising laugo could have hoped for
Ian, my guy, love the video but I physically recoiled every time you touched that gun to the ground
The ground is definitely not the worst thing that has happened to this poor gun…
just a word of advice... don't watch The Military Arms Channel then, they regularly run THE GAUNTLET on guns that makes 'just touching the ground' looks like childs play.
@@TheStraycat74 oh dear god, it’s, its horrifying, but beautiful
Yeah I don't get his obsession with torture testing a race gun. It isn't a service pistol.
@@StewartLucrative True, but go take a look at some of the 2 gun events he competes in: a lot of them involve dirt, dust, mud, snow, and other unpleasantness, conditions in which guns he has run have malfunctioned before.
Plus, he’s got an engineering background, a profession that thrives on data and experimental processes.
Thank you Ian for doing what noone else is willing to do to this weapon
A condensation and ice test based off of Carl's second day of Finnish Brutality could be interesting.
5:30 "....cool view of dust firing out of the gun..." *laughs in youtube compression*
Start with a round in the chamber and I'm sure it would've passed 100% . Maybe mag change with clean magazine would be it. I really do think all the problems were created chambering the first round.
If you can't rack a pistol to feed its first round, it wasn't going to chamber its second round. Full stop.
I think he did that for safety reasons.
@@SenorBigDong69 IIRC from the initial tear down video, this does not have some of the safety features of a glock, etc.
Not that surprising given it’s intended use vs. utility/military pistols
@@SenorBigDong69 I’m sure he made some comment about safety in relation to easy if A.D. / dropping / etc.
It could come down to the relatively heavy trigger on a glock vs. the light match trigger if the trigger safety were to get disabled by debris, etc.
@@SenorBigDong69 just looked back and can’t find the bit I’m thinking about so I’m possibly thinking of a different video 🤷🏻♂️
Very impressive! I was surprised, I think Ian forgot to take the plug from the barrel after the moon dust. Impressive test, albeit a little sad to see such a beautiful pistol put through such a test. The makers should be proud.
... Dude, I get the feeling by the time this testing is done over the series, that it will end up with Ian dragging this pistol behind a 1972 Scout all through the desert, over rocks, and through a river...The pistol will survive but the Scout will not 😬
the flaming marshmallow fluff test seems like the next logical step
An interesting test would be the Alien vs. a Glock vs. another competition gun like a CZ shadow 2 all in moon dust. Another test would be an endurance test to see how long the Alien can go without cleaning.
I saw serval CZs choke at Desert Brutality this year due to moon dust.
I don't know if you remember the Long Way Round series with Erwan McGregor and Charley Boorman. Initially they contacted KTM to supply their bikes. KTM politely declined. Then they went to BWM, who provided the GS. And subsequently sold them in their thousands... Sometimes it pays to sacrifice freebies, which are nowhere as expensive to a manufacturer as the retail price is to customers, to get efficient advertising.
Still shows that the magazine is the heart of the firearm. Same issue I had during GW1 with M9 mags (both Italian and CheckMate) with the sand in Saudi Arabia. Had to disassemble and clean my mags often.
Mag is often the less focused part in the design phase as "not much" are in there. It seems that the follower will need some redesigning. Just having a stronger spring will not solve the problem
I wonder if Laugo will try to make their magazines more sand resistant in response to these results
Magazines seem to be the least weather resistant thing in most good gun designs, seems like in order to have a mag that doesn't bind on every little grain of sand during "real" everyday use requires larger tolerances which inevitably cause issues in these extreme tests. Not sure how one could seal a magazine from the top considering there is always going to be caps around the feed lips / top cartridge and to a lesser extent around the follower.
I think for all practical purposes, this is good enough, if the most you have to do to get the gun working from muddy or sandy conditions is put in a new mag and rack the slide, that's EXCELLENT and I personally wouldn't accept many compromises for a slight improvement here.
And I think it's also possible we could have seen an even better performance in the mud test if a round had been chambered before being submerged, either way it's an astonishing gun / mechanism.
I almost had a heart attack during your video. Thankfully I quickly realized the test performed was acceptable and I agree. Enjoy the holidays bro.
Ian if you like putting expensive guns in sand and mud, then when are we testing the famas :^ )
I am not even a gun guy but hearing the sand grind between the slide makes my guts flinch
Ian being mean to small firearms, part II.
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In a sense the moral of this story is: If you have designed a really nice gun, don't send it to Ian unless you're super confident in it.
See if you can replicate amphibious conditions. I.e. get some beach sand and go from full immersion in water (especially sea water if you have the chance) to immediately being buried in the beach sand, then try to fire it.
Give it to a toad to complete a back up gun match with.
John M. never had an Ian to keep him cringing. This's getting better and better. Thanks, Ian.
Imagine all the other shooters there who were drooling over this magnificent piece, only to then see Ian drown it in sand 🤣
His hand hitting the shovel in sync with the background noises made me laugh at 0:30 and 0:37
What a great pistol. Imagine how many they would sell if they were reasonably priced. I’d love to try one but $4k is just too far out of my price range.
To be fair, they’re already back ordered for production at $4k, they probably don’t have the manufacturing capacity to go for economy of scale just yet.
Dude I felt that dust entering my lungs as you were shaking the bucket
Absolutely brilliant move on Laugo's part sending one of these to Ian. I know they're having no problems with sales now, but long term, when the hype dies down and someone is wondering what kind of race gun they want to drop a couple grand on they're going to run into these videos and it's just going to keep the money rolling in.
Probably the meanest thing to appear from the sand since the opening scene of Hardware!
Between this and the last test, it seems that there's almost nothing stopping this thing from firing, as long as you get the first round chambered somehow and the mag isn't completely disabled by dirt. While we're torturing this poor thing, how about freezing it?
And with the mud test it was really only a lack of good purchase on the slide that was stopping him from racking it fully.
The Alien deals with the moon dust better than I do. Just looking at the moon dust barrel gave me an asthma attack.
Impressive. Also, cool CROPAT combat shirt.
Were you wearing it for any special reason or just the first one you grabbed on your way out the door?
I guess he wore it cuz CROPAT has special amouring capabilities.
Only thing I wonder about with the Laugo is its heat dispersion. The build up of heat at a specific point on the frame of the gun could cause longevity issues. But, I guess we'll see.
*physically cringes as $5k gets plunged into AZs finest dust*
Im impressed, the Alien is an over the counter race gun and to me it seems very reliable all things concidered. Not only Ians torture but also Honest outlaws 1k round test.