No, we want something like Turtle Wow, vanilla with minimal changes and new content, new quests, new zones, something after Naxx expanding on vanilla lore, karazhan, hyjal, tol barad and several other vanilla storylines who didnt got finished, tier 3.5 and maybe a tier 4 inside vanilla
@@jacque3427 If you care about rotation and single mechanics you can go to retail. Classic was not and is not even now about PvE sweat tryharding. It's like going to metal concert and asking for a pop songs.
A permanent Era style realm for TBC and WotLK with players being able to lock their characters in them with a rolling fresh vanilla that feeds into them is brilliant. Being able to keep my toons from vanilla in Era so that I can continue to enjoy their gear and accomplishments is vital.
this is not what needs to be focused on, at all. actually them focusing on arbitrary stuff like this usually is what ruins the game. people are gonna cheat. just worry about making a good game ffs
Classic+ IF done right would be appreciated by many fans. But it has to be made by a dedicated and devoted dev team. Any half-assed approach won't work. Even tho I hope we get a C+ one day, considering how small and split the classic dev team is, I fear we're not going to get the proper C+ we seek. But not going too crazy with it. It's called CLASSIC still, not Retail minus or w/e, so no 20 retail abilities etc. And to add more NEW content. The entire point of a Classic+ is to expand on the world, map and zones. NOT just resued content or as the devs call it, "reimagined". There are many empty spots in Vanilla world to expland on. Both quests zones, more NEW dungeons and ofc also continue its lore and so on.
They can just hire Turtle wow devs but as far as im aware, blizzard pays very bad so there wouldnt be a reason for them to join but these dudes proofed they can do it and do it right
You'd think they would release this for 20 yelr anniversary...nope we get SERVERS!! So ambitious and revolutionary, blizzard is on the forefront of innovation. Pathetic.
Honestly if they just did a "seasonal" type deal where they start with a couple of fresh servers in Classic then play through the first 2 expansions it would make so many people happy.
Actually, I just realized that the fresh server / character concept is EXACTLY how Diablo Seassons work since Diablo 3. So it is a no-brainer for them to do it and add a few modifiers per reset (like in diablo, already tested in SOD). I think it would be a very good move from Blizzard
Please god no. Nobody trusts this team to make changes. Just give us fresh servers and stay as far away from them as possible. We need to keep these devs off the shores of Azeroth
sod was a burning piece of garbage for babies who have no skill or time for mmo's and wanted everything for free go play retail if you liked sod its not classic its trash
@@vadimgutu4006 Enonhart made the exact same video today. They are not even speculating at this point. Their video titles are confirming it the way they are wording. And it can’t be a coincidence imo
The problem with SoD is the speed of release. By the time i hit max for the phase its almost time for another phase to come out. Give me a nice slow world, Let me do everything possible on a few characters and have some fun rsther than speed running everything.
I’d love to do a blitz fresh to lich king run. 1-2year max cadence. Probable in a super minority but it would be fun. Never too far behind. See the content get ready for next phase and go!
Honestly the best way forward is Classic to TBC to Wrath and when the next expac comes out just make a new fresh realm for actual Classic because, frankly, it's the only version of the game worth a shit. TBC was alright
one of the things that was interesting about original TBC was that all the T4 and T5 raids were accessible right from the start, and so was Hyjal. it would be kinda cool to see what an Archimonde race would look like
@@tableslamno it wouldn't, not at all. Content races ate antithetical to the spirit of WoW, and people who support speedruns are detrimental to the community as a whole
fresh vanilla to wrath progression servers with TBC and Wrath Era servers would make the most amount of people happy i think. when the fresh servers are set to progress into TBC, give players the option for free transfers to Vanilla Era if they don't want to continue into TBC. when the progression servers are set to progress into Wrath, give players the option for free transfers to TBC Era if they don't want to continue into Wrath. and then when that first round of progression servers reaches the end of Wrath, those servers just become the Wrath Era servers
You just said what i was thinking the whole time. Just make a rolling fresh and legacy servers up to wrath beside that. And if they need to save resources, just cut off cata classic after it's done because nobody wants to progress into mop classic and furthermore. That would be the best solution for most of the classic player base. Oh and regarding Classic plus, i personally don't want to see that from Blizzard because of obvious reasons.
The future of classic is true classic plus being the main draw, with vanilla--->tbc---->wrath rotating servers on the side. And these would of course NOT be "no changes" versions. Things like chronoboons in vanilla and catch up currencies in wrath that were made during the classic reboots would be included. Other than that, everything pre-nerf at least for a good while in terms of raids. The numbers/raid logs show that WOTLK is the limit in terms of what the classic player base wants to deal with in terms of raid difficulty/structure, as there was a massive drop off in these logs in cata going forward, so there is no need to go any further than wrath. Anything else is garbage. This way, any lulls in classic plus are immediately filled by the rotation vanilla/tbc/wrath servers. No one wants just another fresh no changes vanilla server. Go play private servers or era with the other 5 people in the world who want that if that's what you want, the rest of us don't have access to what we want.
I have been saying that classic needs to run its course from vanilla all the way through the end of wrath and then reset. It could be a 4-6 year server life span..
So classic+ should make boosting impossible through tweaking xp gains with very high level players in the group, and the devs need to be very hard on botting and gold buying. Doing both of those would fix those problems and make classic a much better game, but blizzard can't do any of that.
Just curious but why do you dislike boosting? If a friend of mine wants to help me with a DM in the middle of the night with no-one on to make a group, what's the problem? Just looking for a different perspective.
@shaunrobinson6 If botting and gold buying weren't a thing I wouldn't have a problem. But it is. And while blizzard isn't doing anything to solve the problem, everybody keeps crying about it yet subs anyways. It's like the community is almost to blame as well, go figure. If blizzard makes more money with bots because players are buying it and using it to boost, then they're asking themselves why they should do something lol
okay, edit. your ideas with expansion mega realms would work, that is if we can clone our characters on the Mega servers. I so regret not cloning my toons prior to TBC. TBC was Great, Wrath was good, but what i am left with are toons that on a server now moving towards expansions i dont care to play.
I don't know if I am alone on this but I would love WOTLK fresh with phases like SoD. Could be level 60-70-80 phases. As long as we start from scratch and play on the WOTLK client so we have decent talents and gameplay. Also, I think the LFG tool from Wotlk classic (before random dungeon finder) was pretty nice. I criticise when it's bad but that tool was exactly what we needed!
I've been loving sod, increase exp buff = not have to do every quest/dungeon, classes like warrior getting victory rush = no eating/bandaging after every 1-2 mobs, world buffs frequently going off = faster/risky leveling (lose buff if die). I'd probably mage blizzard spam in dungeons, if we got classic without any changes to make leveling faster.
1/1/1 year rolling refreshes with dedicated era realms, release all raids on release of each, have seasonal leaderboards for each raid end boss or whatever for some competitive fun, maybe a prestige badge/achievement for each season, and if we absolutely have to make some money toss up some store mounts and keep out the boosts/tokens
I also do agree that we need retail alongside classic for classic to succeed and make it worth it for blizzard. However I think having classic TBC and WRATH servers are great because the people that love those versions of the game aren’t playing vanilla era or retail. They are on private servers. I also know a lot of vanilla players are trying retail out right now and wouldn’t even have considered it if they didn’t already have their foot in the door playing vanilla right now. So I do believe having Era versions and fresh restarts of the trilogy would be great if they want to keep their players nonstop glued to the game.
Honestly, would love to see them drop classic + and treat it with a system similar to OSRS currently, which is still dropping updates. The poll system and them bringing in skills/story but into osrs is very nice. Rotating classic system server would be awesome as well.
I came to era full time last May and from May till december, era had A LOT of players. The game was thriving and alive like a popular 2019 server. SoD came out and took away quite a bit of the pop but era is still alive and well. Anyone can make a character horde or alliance and have no problems finding groups and doing all content. Lots of us want fresh and I believe that blizzard doing a fresh would be bigger than they realize. Sadly, I don't think we'll get one till SoD ends which is more than likely spring of next year.
We can't all have what we want because everyone plays different classes and wants their own classes buffed and other classes nerfed etc etc. SoD started on the right foot. The runes gave us some fun utility to play with and much needed buffs for certain specs and playstyles (Like Arms Warriors for more PVE liability) HOWEVER....things just got way out of hand and by phase 3 & 4, it basically started to feel like pre-Wrath/Cata but with vanilla content and level cap.
One mega wotlk realm. But the portal and ship to northrend only works when u have finished the last raid with your character u want to stay lvl60? Lock your lvl, pvp works like in retail, u win, u loot +%gold en gain +%hk (sorry for bad english) btw would be cool when you're at the ah you see al the different tier sets
man as a vanilla enjoyer, that FRESH hopium is exactly what i needed. SoD, never ending expansions and even classic+ are just not for me and ERA servers are too old at this point.
Never imagined a time blizz 20 yr ann would come and "well it would cost very little debelopment and maintenance time, they could just do new servers".... If i was blizz and 20 ann coming around and thats my standard bar i would feel pathetic. No classic plus? No huge surprise? No REAL delevlopment on classic. They will never really build on classic and that sucks. Runescape did it and ppl play the fk out of that and what does blizz get? Oh the same old realms reset for eternity, content? Fk no too much development time, heres a server... Fk blizzard
Fresh realms for each of the trilogy xpacs & fresh progression realms that go through all xpacs each year would be perfect. I don't know why WoW hasn't done this yet. It helps new players come in with vets to hold their hand while also giving the vets the joy of going through it all without feeling like they have to catch up in a heavily farmed and boosted economy.
Love this idea. Wish they would do a SoD fresh but then never move to 20 man raiding and just keep it 10 man and make phase 3 faster so people can enjoy it.
Very cool video and I agree that such an idea of introducing progressive classic WoW servers would be great. I generally think that playing World of Warcraft Classic should be fully free. First of all, it would attract a lot of new players and also players that play on private servers. This would ensure that there would always be companions to play with regardless of lvl, because entry would be completely free and open. This is exactly what happens on private servers - no matter when you enter there is always a group of players, around your lvl. Only later, when wishing to move to higher servers (TBC, WOTLK, RETAIL) would a current subscription be required. But this is just my humble, subjective opinion ;)
I want a completely new map, new as in wow classic v2. Upgraded graphics, different skills, new classes... a whole re-work. Then I can experience the wonder of exploring a whole new world. I doubt they will do it, because money. If this was an indie company, without the huge financial overlord, then it could happen. Unfortunately they pay the executive officers way too much money and have to pay shareholders.
They need to just realize that runescape is the obvious move to follow. Old school runescape is the perfect model which is what everyone wants and thats classic+
Take vinalla, tbc, and wrath make them one game with a lvl 60 cap. Balance all raids to tier sets at lvl 60. Add heroic to all dungeons. Add some dailies to vanilla. Add all deleted content from vinalla, tbc, and wrath over a few updates in the 1st year. Get another 20 year cash cow with little maintenance on blizzards end.
I never really had a problem with payable content. If you want a mount, fine go buy it. But I am not ready to pay for the game, a sub AND have that on top. Right now the classic + private servers are my solution to this.
This time around i would love #somechanges to classic wow, like an effort to balance classes and specs, even if not perfect. For example, ,a taunt and righteous fury for paladin, a normal rez for druid, no debuff limit on target so people can play dot spec, normalize weapon damage, so warrior aren't the god of DPS in the endgame, this kind of things.
Blizz just has to copy Turtle Wow for Vanilla + changes, paladins having crusader strike, holy strike a taunt, mana from blocking. Other class changes, new dungeons, raids, zones, tons of stuff 😂. Vanilla wow has been around now 5 years
turtle wow has lots of cool new content, but little to no class changes. Paladin is really the only class that was changed significantly. The other hybrid classes got little to no changes, and the rest of the classes got nothing. Full bis rank 14 warrior still dies to a terrible backpedaling mage.
@@jacque3427 They are releasing class changes 2.0 here shortly which will change more classes around a bit, along with release Grim Batol / Kara 40m Raid.
I want fresh HC SF servers with SF viable changes. such as being able to craft gear without trading players or buying mats from vendors with special currencies we craft or farm OR learning all professions and having to level them all solo. AND sf guild option where from lvl 1 you join a guild and can only trade certain things within the guild ecosystem. also every expansion should be fresh. fresh vanilla, then fresh tbc and fresh wotlk. fresh wolkt servers were better than fresh era imo.
Fresh realms on a seasonal basis. That's what we have right now with SOD. Unless you want to roll a warrior with 19 other warrior in your raid groups and no ret paladins, shadow priests or boomkins. It's nice and all. But implement some changes into class balances. Don't leave era as is. All that's said in the video already exists other than BC era and WOTLK era. This isn't even copium, it's not realizing what we have right now, or complaining about every single iteration that will come out. Always looking forward to the next thing. Enjoy what we currently have brother, and when later comes, learn to enjoy it instead of looking for the next best thing.
I thinking they will bring out a fresh classic server which will be the server for classic + in a year. If they bring out rolling fresh servers they need to put in a prestige or a progression for each reset
I so hope that you are right about this. I have been waiting for official fresh classic for about 1-2 years at this point. dident really get into sod sinc it reminded me too much of wotlk. Would love to get a chance to jump into fresh again for the 8-10th smt time counting past pservers.
I’d look forward to Classic+ with new/more/minor contents. WOW is not broken, don’t need to fixed it, expand on some details. Ole days, people said, “it looks too cartoonish”. Add more details, mix up some mobs faces, lol. All those Murdock’s look the same. There are tons of area to add more finer details. In short, today’s tech is amazing, enhance that! WOW in itself is amazing, put more realistic environments and contents. Randomize the patrols. lol
I've never played vanilla or classic from launch, always started with wrath and a fresh classic progression server would be great. I'm playing cata right now but it's pretty dead and not fun like wrath. Also playing on hardcore, 42 warrior atm, and it's really fun and i like vanilla even if it's missing some QoL, so will be absolutely play a new classic fresh
If they remake classic wow will bring way more players than retail when the first 3 expansion came out there were way more people playing than retail today
I’ve been wanting 1 mega progression servers that start in vanilla and move through Wrath in 1-1.5 year cycles per expansion and repeats forever, for a very long time now. I feel like I’m done with retail wow and want to come back home.
TBC was very fun and the best version of wow for me. just hold 3 servers for content up to wrath. also have servers for SOD or whatever but keep the base 3 expansion playable. kinda the whole point of classic was to make them available again and then they just ripped them away lol.
As opposed to classic, classic tbc, classic wotk (with no choice to stay on tbc), classic cata (no option to stay on wotlk). Anything after that is not classic. This fresh wow is a much better approach
I would like a wipe on a classic only server like it wipes every quarter. Like how the Steam game Rust wipes back to level 1. i think that'll make it fun.
I just need to do pre-nerf Vashj, KT and KJ before I die. Both guilds I raided with during tbc struggled hard with the roster boss more than anything and couldn't do any of those. I would go all in for progression realms, level my characters slowly during classic and then go all in during TBC
Would be a good idea! I feel like they should of done this instead of releasing cata classic. Whoever greenlit that was a moron, cata is already flopping in the first phase lol
Allow me to play through Vanilla -> TBC -> WotLK and progess from one to the next at my leisure and I'd happily pay whatever subscription cost is necessary. Not a fan of anything that came after WotLK and I'd prefer to play on official servers since private servers can be shut at any time.
the problem is, as much as the players obviously want this it is basically blizzard admitting they cant make a good game anymore and that just re-releasing the old game is better which.... i feel like they will never do
I dont see how this would be beneficial to blizz. Classic fresh is the ace up the sleeve that they can play whenever numbers dip to get the whole hype train going again. A predictable fresh rotate doesn't play into the FOMO mechanic, some people not playing "this time" isn't good for business. They want everyone playing because you might miss out.
It always takes years before the community catches up to what i see right away. I saw from the start that thre should be permanent expansions perma versions of all, and ideally you should be able to move character from one expansion permanently into the next at a time of your own choosing. I kept saying it for all this time and now everyone are caught onto half the idea. And a seasonal fresh server might also be a good idea that feeds into the permanent ones. But now i am ahead again because i have foreseen the ideal future of classic+. Its the merged epic storyline of vanilla, tbc and wotlk into one big cohesive game where all is relevant and meshed together in a vanilla/tbc balance style. The first 3 game versions are really just completing the warcraft story, bringing different races and regions to complete the epic warcraft story. Beyond that its going into drivel territory. Cataclysm lets just reset the whole world and bla bla bla, disrespect to warcraft.
Classic has, what, 500K active players counting Cata? They are going to split those across 3 different expansions and multiple fresh, progressive and eternal servers within that?
The problem with fresh servers is that they tend to attract the kinds of players that want to burn therough the content as fast as possible. They won't feel fresh for very long.
Ppl dont want just fresh, people want classic 2.0 , classic + or whatever you want to call it. people want new things to improve a 20 year old game. People want unreal engine 5, ppl want new races, new classes, improve that clases that have no presence in classic like arcane, monkin, retri paladin, prot paladin etc.. they want new zones, new lore, new raids, new objects.. A fresh vanilla si not the solution, i dont want to see 40% warriors. There are so much content not finished yet.. People want an oficial turtle wow.. turtle wow is way so much better than just a simple vanilla fresh, and in 2025 turtle is coming in his version 2.0...
Listen, you want to create three unchanged servers for Vanilla, TBC and Wotlk players? Why? And who will play it? How many will play it? You are clearer that if there is no MASS and no NEW content, the server will be dead in a few months. There are those players who play on retail, there are those who play on SOD, or both. Why do you want to share the current classic player base who still play classic just because of the crowd?
I never understood why they didn´t release the classic version with the new graphics... It just doesn´t make sense to me. I played vanilla when it came out. I played through all the xpacs minus Shadowlands. Why play it all again with that same 20yr old graphics if you could have done it looking new and shiny... i want classic+ with updated visuales, please.
I feel like they should move cata and original saga classics toons to retail once it’s over. I have like so many toons from classic saga that I’d love to have on retail, it’s not like I’m going to play cata haha
i agree with most of everything in the video, but you did hide the fact that even though there is no wow token on classic the only means of raiding is with gold buyers or buying gold yourself.
That's not true, there are a ton of guilds in firemaw that are progressing currently through bwl with SR or loot council. Also in Zandalar Tribe we started a "fresh" movement and we're soon gonna start aq40, we started 5 months ago almost
don't understand why they don't just refurbish classic with all new, up to date, modern assets from retail and upgraded. just a good old, refreshed classic game that looks and feels and plays so much smoother. don't understand why we're playing a 20 year old without updated assets...
Im waitijg for fresh. Would love classic to tbc to wrath. Every 18 month or something Sadly i missed wotlk. And havent got into cata But what really matters is removing boosting. Crackering down on gold trading and gold selling and all the guilds just buying gold
Everyone saying classic+++. Its like you dont look in coments 😀. Fresh servers is nice but think about that after 1-2months it is no longer fresh. Something new is better like going unending cycle of game whats 20years old. All for classic plus. If they had survey they know what playerbase wants.
That's what I'm saying and this is blizzards 20 yr ann banger??...fresh servers..? Blizzard has just lost. No innovation complete disregard of the classic community, it'll never be built on. They going to drown ppl with classic same old sh till ppl get tired of it. "We gave you what you asked for" and then there's RuneScape that did it perfect and everyone playing the fk out of that game, blizz can't even attempt.
@@JRileyD they did not confirmed anything on releasing fresh servers. And i do not think that fresh servers are coming or rotational ones. Fresh is no longer the way. I am sure that they will announce something like Classic Plus.
No, we want something like Turtle Wow, vanilla with minimal changes and new content, new quests, new zones, something after Naxx expanding on vanilla lore, karazhan, hyjal, tol barad and several other vanilla storylines who didnt got finished, tier 3.5 and maybe a tier 4 inside vanilla
A few of you maybe. Not everyone.
Ah yes, because I and others LOVE one button rotations and single mechanic bosses.
@@jacque3427 yes because mmorpgs should be all about rotations dude
@@jacque3427 If you care about rotation and single mechanics you can go to retail. Classic was not and is not even now about PvE sweat tryharding. It's like going to metal concert and asking for a pop songs.
@@blenfz i guess the point flew completely over your head. it has nothing to do with rotations, and everything to do with BORING GAMEPLAY
I'd appreciate if they ban GDKP like in SoD
A permanent Era style realm for TBC and WotLK with players being able to lock their characters in them with a rolling fresh vanilla that feeds into them is brilliant. Being able to keep my toons from vanilla in Era so that I can continue to enjoy their gear and accomplishments is vital.
If blizzard doest stop dungeon spam. Boosting. Gold buying gold selling then there is no point. Fix the game. Players are abusing it. Fix it.
How do you suggest they fix something that hasnt been fixed in the last 20 years?
this is not what needs to be focused on, at all. actually them focusing on arbitrary stuff like this usually is what ruins the game. people are gonna cheat. just worry about making a good game ffs
I'd deal with all that if they didn't go full pay to win and boosted characters in tbc. I don't want to play a pay to win game
Yeah, dungeons should be some sort of lockout.
100# agree !
Classic+ IF done right would be appreciated by many fans. But it has to be made by a dedicated and devoted dev team. Any half-assed approach won't work. Even tho I hope we get a C+ one day, considering how small and split the classic dev team is, I fear we're not going to get the proper C+ we seek. But not going too crazy with it. It's called CLASSIC still, not Retail minus or w/e, so no 20 retail abilities etc. And to add more NEW content. The entire point of a Classic+ is to expand on the world, map and zones. NOT just resued content or as the devs call it, "reimagined".
There are many empty spots in Vanilla world to expland on. Both quests zones, more NEW dungeons and ofc also continue its lore and so on.
They can just hire Turtle wow devs but as far as im aware, blizzard pays very bad so there wouldnt be a reason for them to join but these dudes proofed they can do it and do it right
As long as Aggrend is involved I can promise you the only approach will be half-assed.
@@gamerchadtvturtle is trash, stop bringing it up
@@EvilGoatBoy its trash, except it is best calssic+ we get so far
You'd think they would release this for 20 yelr anniversary...nope we get SERVERS!! So ambitious and revolutionary, blizzard is on the forefront of innovation.
Pathetic.
Honestly if they just did a "seasonal" type deal where they start with a couple of fresh servers in Classic then play through the first 2 expansions it would make so many people happy.
Actually, I just realized that the fresh server / character concept is EXACTLY how Diablo Seassons work since Diablo 3. So it is a no-brainer for them to do it and add a few modifiers per reset (like in diablo, already tested in SOD). I think it would be a very good move from Blizzard
But Diablo is a dead game....
Please god no. Nobody trusts this team to make changes. Just give us fresh servers and stay as far away from them as possible. We need to keep these devs off the shores of Azeroth
sod was a burning piece of garbage for babies who have no skill or time for mmo's and wanted everything for free go play retail if you liked sod its not classic its trash
since d2 (original bnet) ladders
The problem with vanilla is the bots, and the gold buyers. They ruin it. If that never gets addressed, then it will burn out in 6 months..
Retail has the problem too, carries
I buy gold and I love bots
You and Wille made like the exact same video. I have a feeling you guys know something we don’t 😉
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@@vadimgutu4006 Enonhart made the exact same video today. They are not even speculating at this point. Their video titles are confirming it the way they are wording. And it can’t be a coincidence imo
Let’s just embrace the fact that we gonna receive an anniversary mount and pet for $79 and the most of the audience will be fine with that.
... and the CEO will get a another new gold toilet with matching bath & bidet.
@@RockyWaist whats moraly wrong about it?
Would rather that than p2w
There will never be “one mega realm” in classic. There will always be a pvp and pve server option
The problem with SoD is the speed of release. By the time i hit max for the phase its almost time for another phase to come out.
Give me a nice slow world, Let me do everything possible on a few characters and have some fun rsther than speed running everything.
I’d love to do a blitz fresh to lich king run. 1-2year max cadence.
Probable in a super minority but it would be fun. Never too far behind. See the content get ready for next phase and go!
Honestly the best way forward is Classic to TBC to Wrath and when the next expac comes out just make a new fresh realm for actual Classic because, frankly, it's the only version of the game worth a shit. TBC was alright
one of the things that was interesting about original TBC was that all the T4 and T5 raids were accessible right from the start, and so was Hyjal. it would be kinda cool to see what an Archimonde race would look like
@@tableslamno it wouldn't, not at all. Content races ate antithetical to the spirit of WoW, and people who support speedruns are detrimental to the community as a whole
This alone would solve all of us that burnout after a bit and feel that wretched WoW FOMO when the realm keeps progressing. Great video, man!
I’d play. Count me in. Do it blizz.
I hope they do this, I could see myself playing in that loop forever
fresh vanilla to wrath progression servers with TBC and Wrath Era servers would make the most amount of people happy i think. when the fresh servers are set to progress into TBC, give players the option for free transfers to Vanilla Era if they don't want to continue into TBC. when the progression servers are set to progress into Wrath, give players the option for free transfers to TBC Era if they don't want to continue into Wrath. and then when that first round of progression servers reaches the end of Wrath, those servers just become the Wrath Era servers
You’re absolutely wrong. It’s the only idea and you know of. I can make a classic wow that everyone would love.
@@Zutang777 i feel like i just read the result of an AI "randomly generate a sentence for me" comment
@@tableslamI could say the same about your response. You could also be an AI BOT.
@@Zutang777 KEKW
@@Zutang777 still waiting for the edit to your initial reply to make it actually make sense as a coherent sentence
You just said what i was thinking the whole time. Just make a rolling fresh and legacy servers up to wrath beside that. And if they need to save resources, just cut off cata classic after it's done because nobody wants to progress into mop classic and furthermore. That would be the best solution for most of the classic player base.
Oh and regarding Classic plus, i personally don't want to see that from Blizzard because of obvious reasons.
Really hope Blizz can do this for us! Agree with you 100% that the leveling/dungeon journey is one of the most enjoyable parts of WoW
The future of classic is true classic plus being the main draw, with vanilla--->tbc---->wrath rotating servers on the side. And these would of course NOT be "no changes" versions. Things like chronoboons in vanilla and catch up currencies in wrath that were made during the classic reboots would be included. Other than that, everything pre-nerf at least for a good while in terms of raids. The numbers/raid logs show that WOTLK is the limit in terms of what the classic player base wants to deal with in terms of raid difficulty/structure, as there was a massive drop off in these logs in cata going forward, so there is no need to go any further than wrath.
Anything else is garbage. This way, any lulls in classic plus are immediately filled by the rotation vanilla/tbc/wrath servers. No one wants just another fresh no changes vanilla server. Go play private servers or era with the other 5 people in the world who want that if that's what you want, the rest of us don't have access to what we want.
I have been saying that classic needs to run its course from vanilla all the way through the end of wrath and then reset. It could be a 4-6 year server life span..
I bet you smell your own farts
Classic plus is a yes, tbc fresh is a yes. Anything else is w/e
Your opinion is everything else was trash. But don't mistake that's just your opinion, there are people that truly enjoy other expansions.
Class mechanics in wrath were not interesting. TBC was better.
Everytime you say "Era" it sounds like a Dj skipping on their turn table haha! Great video, and im hoping for this 100%
I never got bored from the version I'm playing.
Waiting for fresh progression servers : ONLY Vanilla, followed by TBC, followed by Wotlk.
Classic has gold buying and boosting. Its like u are ignoring the elephant shitting all over the room.
So classic+ should make boosting impossible through tweaking xp gains with very high level players in the group, and the devs need to be very hard on botting and gold buying. Doing both of those would fix those problems and make classic a much better game, but blizzard can't do any of that.
Just curious but why do you dislike boosting? If a friend of mine wants to help me with a DM in the middle of the night with no-one on to make a group, what's the problem? Just looking for a different perspective.
@shaunrobinson6 If botting and gold buying weren't a thing I wouldn't have a problem. But it is. And while blizzard isn't doing anything to solve the problem, everybody keeps crying about it yet subs anyways. It's like the community is almost to blame as well, go figure.
If blizzard makes more money with bots because players are buying it and using it to boost, then they're asking themselves why they should do something lol
okay, edit. your ideas with expansion mega realms would work, that is if we can clone our characters on the Mega servers. I so regret not cloning my toons prior to TBC. TBC was Great, Wrath was good, but what i am left with are toons that on a server now moving towards expansions i dont care to play.
I don't know if I am alone on this but I would love WOTLK fresh with phases like SoD. Could be level 60-70-80 phases. As long as we start from scratch and play on the WOTLK client so we have decent talents and gameplay.
Also, I think the LFG tool from Wotlk classic (before random dungeon finder) was pretty nice. I criticise when it's bad but that tool was exactly what we needed!
I've been loving sod, increase exp buff = not have to do every quest/dungeon, classes like warrior getting victory rush = no eating/bandaging after every 1-2 mobs, world buffs frequently going off = faster/risky leveling (lose buff if die). I'd probably mage blizzard spam in dungeons, if we got classic without any changes to make leveling faster.
1/1/1 year rolling refreshes with dedicated era realms, release all raids on release of each, have seasonal leaderboards for each raid end boss or whatever for some competitive fun, maybe a prestige badge/achievement for each season, and if we absolutely have to make some money toss up some store mounts and keep out the boosts/tokens
I hope and pray for something to happen with Classic. Rolling yearly expansions for classic, tbc and wrath, then a full restart, would be SO good.
I also do agree that we need retail alongside classic for classic to succeed and make it worth it for blizzard. However I think having classic TBC and WRATH servers are great because the people that love those versions of the game aren’t playing vanilla era or retail. They are on private servers. I also know a lot of vanilla players are trying retail out right now and wouldn’t even have considered it if they didn’t already have their foot in the door playing vanilla right now. So I do believe having Era versions and fresh restarts of the trilogy would be great if they want to keep their players nonstop glued to the game.
Honestly, would love to see them drop classic + and treat it with a system similar to OSRS currently, which is still dropping updates.
The poll system and them bringing in skills/story but into osrs is very nice.
Rotating classic system server would be awesome as well.
I would LOVE a vanilla-bc-wotlk loop, with the possibility to transfer chars to an era server of whatever expansion you want. Good video :)
I came to era full time last May and from May till december, era had A LOT of players. The game was thriving and alive like a popular 2019 server. SoD came out and took away quite a bit of the pop but era is still alive and well. Anyone can make a character horde or alliance and have no problems finding groups and doing all content. Lots of us want fresh and I believe that blizzard doing a fresh would be bigger than they realize. Sadly, I don't think we'll get one till SoD ends which is more than likely spring of next year.
We can't all have what we want because everyone plays different classes and wants their own classes buffed and other classes nerfed etc etc.
SoD started on the right foot. The runes gave us some fun utility to play with and much needed buffs for certain specs and playstyles (Like Arms Warriors for more PVE liability)
HOWEVER....things just got way out of hand and by phase 3 & 4, it basically started to feel like pre-Wrath/Cata but with vanilla content and level cap.
One mega wotlk realm. But the portal and ship to northrend only works when u have finished the last raid with your character u want to stay lvl60? Lock your lvl, pvp works like in retail, u win, u loot +%gold en gain +%hk (sorry for bad english) btw would be cool when you're at the ah you see al the different tier sets
And keep the cash-shop in retail, no boosts even gold-boosts, gdkp, no tokens, race/faction, mounts and transmogs
man as a vanilla enjoyer, that FRESH hopium is exactly what i needed.
SoD, never ending expansions and even classic+ are just not for me and ERA servers are too old at this point.
without classic you wouldnt have retail
Never imagined a time blizz 20 yr ann would come and "well it would cost very little debelopment and maintenance time, they could just do new servers".... If i was blizz and 20 ann coming around and thats my standard bar i would feel pathetic.
No classic plus? No huge surprise? No REAL delevlopment on classic. They will never really build on classic and that sucks.
Runescape did it and ppl play the fk out of that and what does blizz get? Oh the same old realms reset for eternity, content? Fk no too much development time, heres a server... Fk blizzard
Fresh realms for each of the trilogy xpacs & fresh progression realms that go through all xpacs each year would be perfect. I don't know why WoW hasn't done this yet. It helps new players come in with vets to hold their hand while also giving the vets the joy of going through it all without feeling like they have to catch up in a heavily farmed and boosted economy.
Love this idea. Wish they would do a SoD fresh but then never move to 20 man raiding and just keep it 10 man and make phase 3 faster so people can enjoy it.
Very cool video and I agree that such an idea of introducing progressive classic WoW servers would be great. I generally think that playing World of Warcraft Classic should be fully free. First of all, it would attract a lot of new players and also players that play on private servers. This would ensure that there would always be companions to play with regardless of lvl, because entry would be completely free and open. This is exactly what happens on private servers - no matter when you enter there is always a group of players, around your lvl. Only later, when wishing to move to higher servers (TBC, WOTLK, RETAIL) would a current subscription be required. But this is just my humble, subjective opinion ;)
I want a completely new map, new as in wow classic v2. Upgraded graphics, different skills, new classes... a whole re-work. Then I can experience the wonder of exploring a whole new world. I doubt they will do it, because money. If this was an indie company, without the huge financial overlord, then it could happen. Unfortunately they pay the executive officers way too much money and have to pay shareholders.
I’d love progression servers. It’s such an easy thing for Blizzard to do. It would be dumb if they didn’t.
They need to just realize that runescape is the obvious move to follow.
Old school runescape is the perfect model which is what everyone wants and thats classic+
Take vinalla, tbc, and wrath make them one game with a lvl 60 cap. Balance all raids to tier sets at lvl 60. Add heroic to all dungeons. Add some dailies to vanilla. Add all deleted content from vinalla, tbc, and wrath over a few updates in the 1st year. Get another 20 year cash cow with little maintenance on blizzards end.
I never really had a problem with payable content. If you want a mount, fine go buy it.
But I am not ready to pay for the game, a sub AND have that on top.
Right now the classic + private servers are my solution to this.
This time around i would love #somechanges to classic wow, like an effort to balance classes and specs, even if not perfect. For example, ,a taunt and righteous fury for paladin, a normal rez for druid, no debuff limit on target so people can play dot spec, normalize weapon damage, so warrior aren't the god of DPS in the endgame, this kind of things.
Blizz just has to copy Turtle Wow for Vanilla + changes, paladins having crusader strike, holy strike a taunt, mana from blocking.
Other class changes, new dungeons, raids, zones, tons of stuff 😂.
Vanilla wow has been around now 5 years
Shadow priest still garbage on turtle.
turtle wow has lots of cool new content, but little to no class changes. Paladin is really the only class that was changed significantly. The other hybrid classes got little to no changes, and the rest of the classes got nothing. Full bis rank 14 warrior still dies to a terrible backpedaling mage.
@@honestfan420 True - Priest in General are pretty wandy.
@@jacque3427 They are releasing class changes 2.0 here shortly which will change more classes around a bit, along with release Grim Batol / Kara 40m Raid.
I want fresh HC SF servers with SF viable changes. such as being able to craft gear without trading players or buying mats from vendors with special currencies we craft or farm OR learning all professions and having to level them all solo. AND sf guild option where from lvl 1 you join a guild and can only trade certain things within the guild ecosystem.
also every expansion should be fresh. fresh vanilla, then fresh tbc and fresh wotlk. fresh wolkt servers were better than fresh era imo.
I love the idea of the trio rolling fresh. They'd probably get my money for the next decade lol.
Id love smth like osrs. give us classic and make it so you need to do a poll to implement any changes so the majority gets the say 100% of the time.
Fresh realms on a seasonal basis. That's what we have right now with SOD.
Unless you want to roll a warrior with 19 other warrior in your raid groups and no ret paladins, shadow priests or boomkins. It's nice and all. But implement some changes into class balances. Don't leave era as is.
All that's said in the video already exists other than BC era and WOTLK era.
This isn't even copium, it's not realizing what we have right now, or complaining about every single iteration that will come out. Always looking forward to the next thing. Enjoy what we currently have brother, and when later comes, learn to enjoy it instead of looking for the next best thing.
I just want a fresh TBC server. Start it out with pre patch TBC, level to 60 and have all the raids open and then after some time we go into BC.
I thinking they will bring out a fresh classic server which will be the server for classic + in a year. If they bring out rolling fresh servers they need to put in a prestige or a progression for each reset
I so hope that you are right about this. I have been waiting for official fresh classic for about 1-2 years at this point. dident really get into sod sinc it reminded me too much of wotlk. Would love to get a chance to jump into fresh again for the 8-10th smt time counting past pservers.
I’d look forward to Classic+ with new/more/minor contents. WOW is not broken, don’t need to fixed it, expand on some details. Ole days, people said, “it looks too cartoonish”. Add more details, mix up some mobs faces, lol. All those Murdock’s look the same. There are tons of area to add more finer details.
In short, today’s tech is amazing, enhance that! WOW in itself is amazing, put more realistic environments and contents. Randomize the patrols. lol
I've played vanilla twice, I don't have time for raiding and grinding buffs for raids.. so I probably will never play vanilla again.
I've never played vanilla or classic from launch, always started with wrath and a fresh classic progression server would be great. I'm playing cata right now but it's pretty dead and not fun like wrath. Also playing on hardcore, 42 warrior atm, and it's really fun and i like vanilla even if it's missing some QoL, so will be absolutely play a new classic fresh
if classic + is really years away i hope they keep adding stuff to sod otherwise idk what we playing xD
With so many people being unhappy with sod I don't know how anyone thinks Classic plus would be much better.
If they remake classic wow will bring way more players than retail when the first 3 expansion came out there were way more people playing than retail today
I’ve been wanting 1 mega progression servers that start in vanilla and move through Wrath in 1-1.5 year cycles per expansion and repeats forever, for a very long time now. I feel like I’m done with retail wow and want to come back home.
How do people waste their time playing the same thing again and again and apparently again. lol classic+ or bust
Exactly
TBC was very fun and the best version of wow for me. just hold 3 servers for content up to wrath. also have servers for SOD or whatever but keep the base 3 expansion playable. kinda the whole point of classic was to make them available again and then they just ripped them away lol.
As opposed to classic, classic tbc, classic wotk (with no choice to stay on tbc), classic cata (no option to stay on wotlk). Anything after that is not classic. This fresh wow is a much better approach
I would like a wipe on a classic only server like it wipes every quarter. Like how the Steam game Rust wipes back to level 1. i think that'll make it fun.
One thing can save Classic WoW
Self Found only server.
It'd be cool to see a demon hunter and dk class get added to classic.
I just need to do pre-nerf Vashj, KT and KJ before I die. Both guilds I raided with during tbc struggled hard with the roster boss more than anything and couldn't do any of those. I would go all in for progression realms, level my characters slowly during classic and then go all in during TBC
I think they should just do a realm that starts at vanilla and progresses to wotlk and then resets
I'm up voting but I like how long it takes to get fresh servers.
High Lord Kruul needs to come back , it was a fun fight
Would be a good idea! I feel like they should of done this instead of releasing cata classic. Whoever greenlit that was a moron, cata is already flopping in the first phase lol
Allow me to play through Vanilla -> TBC -> WotLK and progess from one to the next at my leisure and I'd happily pay whatever subscription cost is necessary. Not a fan of anything that came after WotLK and I'd prefer to play on official servers since private servers can be shut at any time.
Why cant they make TBC and WoLK lvl 60? Then no need to choose between them.
the problem is, as much as the players obviously want this it is basically blizzard admitting they cant make a good game anymore and that just re-releasing the old game is better which.... i feel like they will never do
I dont see how this would be beneficial to blizz. Classic fresh is the ace up the sleeve that they can play whenever numbers dip to get the whole hype train going again. A predictable fresh rotate doesn't play into the FOMO mechanic, some people not playing "this time" isn't good for business. They want everyone playing because you might miss out.
It always takes years before the community catches up to what i see right away. I saw from the start that thre should be permanent expansions perma versions of all, and ideally you should be able to move character from one expansion permanently into the next at a time of your own choosing. I kept saying it for all this time and now everyone are caught onto half the idea. And a seasonal fresh server might also be a good idea that feeds into the permanent ones.
But now i am ahead again because i have foreseen the ideal future of classic+. Its the merged epic storyline of vanilla, tbc and wotlk into one big cohesive game where all is relevant and meshed together in a vanilla/tbc balance style. The first 3 game versions are really just completing the warcraft story, bringing different races and regions to complete the epic warcraft story. Beyond that its going into drivel territory. Cataclysm lets just reset the whole world and bla bla bla, disrespect to warcraft.
diablo 3/4 style seasons/fresh starts , normal game + a special theme with rewards and buffs/mechanics
Will be classic plus, basically SOD official
Classic has, what, 500K active players counting Cata? They are going to split those across 3 different expansions and multiple fresh, progressive and eternal servers within that?
The problem with fresh servers is that they tend to attract the kinds of players that want to burn therough the content as fast as possible. They won't feel fresh for very long.
Vanilla + to TBC + to WOTLK +
Classic Hardcore fresh with self found only servers would be my favourite
Ppl dont want just fresh, people want classic 2.0 , classic + or whatever you want to call it. people want new things to improve a 20 year old game. People want unreal engine 5, ppl want new races, new classes, improve that clases that have no presence in classic like arcane, monkin, retri paladin, prot paladin etc.. they want new zones, new lore, new raids, new objects.. A fresh vanilla si not the solution, i dont want to see 40% warriors. There are so much content not finished yet.. People want an oficial turtle wow.. turtle wow is way so much better than just a simple vanilla fresh, and in 2025 turtle is coming in his version 2.0...
So its just EverQuest progression servers. I mean they do have Holly now who used to do the same thing for EverQuest.
Listen, you want to create three unchanged servers for Vanilla, TBC and Wotlk players? Why? And who will play it? How many will play it? You are clearer that if there is no MASS and no NEW content, the server will be dead in a few months. There are those players who play on retail, there are those who play on SOD, or both. Why do you want to share the current classic player base who still play classic just because of the crowd?
Ah yes. Let’s divide the playerbase up even more. By making an era server for every version of the game. After sod they should focus on classic +
Please forget this and focus on classic+
Split em I don't care most people want fresh
Sod is dead atm anyway
@@brandonmassey1590 spoken like someone who obviously hasn’t been back for p5 lmao
@@brandonmassey1590 “most people” are playing retail and SoD and don’t care about fresh tbc, wrath or classic. They want classic+
Am I the only one that just wants to keep playing on a normal vanilla server like there is now?
Anytime blizzard tries to do something big and new it scares me
Well they didn’t announce anything in Blizzcon though, did they?
I never understood why they didn´t release the classic version with the new graphics... It just doesn´t make sense to me. I played vanilla when it came out. I played through all the xpacs minus Shadowlands. Why play it all again with that same 20yr old graphics if you could have done it looking new and shiny... i want classic+ with updated visuales, please.
Everyone talking about classic+ and don’t realize that SOD is already classic+
I feel like they should move cata and original saga classics toons to retail once it’s over. I have like so many toons from classic saga that I’d love to have on retail, it’s not like I’m going to play cata haha
We don't need fresh anything just ERA servers for TBC and Wrath...
i agree with most of everything in the video, but you did hide the fact that even though there is no wow token on classic the only means of raiding is with gold buyers or buying gold yourself.
That's not true, there are a ton of guilds in firemaw that are progressing currently through bwl with SR or loot council. Also in Zandalar Tribe we started a "fresh" movement and we're soon gonna start aq40, we started 5 months ago almost
@@onima1753 im glad 0.5% of the games population is playing the game as intended.
don't understand why they don't just refurbish classic with all new, up to date, modern assets from retail and upgraded. just a good old, refreshed classic game that looks and feels and plays so much smoother. don't understand why we're playing a 20 year old without updated assets...
Im waitijg for fresh. Would love classic to tbc to wrath. Every 18 month or something
Sadly i missed wotlk. And havent got into cata
But what really matters is removing boosting. Crackering down on gold trading and gold selling and all the guilds just buying gold
Just play turtle wow its ultra stable, free and has a huge following and just has new factions and areas that were unused in vanilla.
Everyone saying classic+++. Its like you dont look in coments 😀. Fresh servers is nice but think about that after 1-2months it is no longer fresh. Something new is better like going unending cycle of game whats 20years old. All for classic plus. If they had survey they know what playerbase wants.
That's what I'm saying and this is blizzards 20 yr ann banger??...fresh servers..? Blizzard has just lost. No innovation complete disregard of the classic community, it'll never be built on.
They going to drown ppl with classic same old sh till ppl get tired of it. "We gave you what you asked for" and then there's RuneScape that did it perfect and everyone playing the fk out of that game, blizz can't even attempt.
@@JRileyD they did not confirmed anything on releasing fresh servers. And i do not think that fresh servers are coming or rotational ones. Fresh is no longer the way. I am sure that they will announce something like Classic Plus.
@@Nikolaablg here's to hoping brother
knowing modern blizz they will make a 500 dollar mount and put it in classic and call it a day