Fun Fact: Dave Casper also was on the undefeated, untied, unscored upon 1969 Chilton Tigers high school football team his Senior year. 363 points to 0. My alma mater. Thanks for making these videos!
Poor Archie Manning. An entire career spent throwing to WRs who were incompetent, couldn't run routes and couldn't catch balls and taking snaps behind o-lines that melted like butter. The guy would take the snap and more often than not immediately run for his life. If Archie had swapped places with Terry Bradshaw, he'd have been a first ballot HOFer.
Some coaches and GMs back then just stunk. I blame the much lower salaries of the era. Some of the people just weren't that sharp or perhaps just didn't care that much.
Dave Casper was a great tight end. But the thing I remember him most for is the famous holy roller play, which I believe was in 1978 against the San Diego chargers. That was classic.
The Raiders receiving core in 1976 was lit. Cliff branch averaging 24.2 yards a catch with over 1100 yards, and dave casper catching 53 passes with 10 touchdowns
Ah, 1982. The gift that keeps on giving. Also - I don’t know if you got a new mic or something, but your sound is a lot clearer. Not that it was bad before, but there is a definite improvement. 😊
I knew the 1982 season was weird, but I didn't know about this. Casper certainly knew what good offense looked like and I can see why he didn't think the passing game in H-Town was any good. If the WRs aren't running good routes, that's a coaching and personnel management issue IMO. Casper could do only so much on his own. The Oilers wouldn't be worth a damn again until after they won a bidding war for Warren Moon and even then, returning to the playoffs took a while.
The Oilers were plagued ALL THROUGHOUT their time in Houston by Bud Adams' petty jealousy with the ownership of the Astros, which also played at the Astrodome. Adams just couldn't concentrate on spending money to build the team, and that would lead in part to moving the franchise to Nashville, Tennessee.
John Eddy you are spot on about Adams jealousy of the Astros as claiming cost the Oilers played outside in Rice Stadium from 1965-67 instead of the Astrodome which made the AFL mad because they wanted the attention of having indoor games playing a full season first time instead they had to wait until 1968 to have the first season of Pro Football games played in a indoor setting also Jealousy was the reason why Bud Adams got rid of Don Klosterman Sid Gillman Bum Phillips Jerry Glanville and Jeff Fisher all who got attention for the Oilers-Titans success then. I still think Bud Adams should be in the NFL HOF as he equally banked the early AFL with Lamar Hunt which without that early support of the AFL would have died. Lamar Hunt was not a good Owner from 1972-85 as the Chiefs did not make the playoffs and Adams teams never had that long of a gap of his teams not making the playoffs.
@@ryanjacobson2508 Adams who was mad because of Fisher drafting Pac-Man Jones in 2004 basically drafted Vince Young in 2006 over Jeff Fisher's concerns about Young and Adams wanted his draftee playing.
Adams was nothing more than a crappy tenant at the Astrodome. Ultimately it proved to be one of, if not the, worst stadium deals in the NFL. Was Adams a terrible owner? Sure I'll buy that, but he was hosed from the get go with terrible timing. No way Houston builds him a stadium in the 70s/80s with the Astrodome there. But look how soon Houston built a new stadium after the Oilers moved. Just 3 years later and BOOM - Reliant Stadium.
Ah the 1982 season again! And looking at game film, Casper was a prototype of what Tony Gonzalez would become - physical, dependable, and a headache for linebackers and safeties to attempt to cover.
The 1982 Oilers had one of the most memorable folly plays. Against the Eagles, Archie got handed the ball back on a botched option pass play. He was scrambling and in desperation, whipped the ball underhand to a receiver. The receiver didn't score, but he did pick up a lot of yards.
The Oilers actually won the game where they had -4 passing yards. No receiver (or tight end) caught a pass. Earl Campbell, who had nearly 200 yards rushing, caught the only completion that day.
Flashback as someone gave me an autograph awhile of Dave Casper while in OAK, and since about the same time my bro got to hang out with Tommy Kramer, it got me thinking "Didn't Dave play for Vikes for a week or so when team had 83 early Aug exhibition game? YES HE DID and Houston went in 83 "Dave get back here you are still under contract"😮😮😮. Of course a still pretty good Manning and Casper got shipped to MIN following Kramer's injury in TAM Week 4 or so only where Manning got to take the rest of the year off behind Dils and Wade Wilson and possibly Bud Grants son. Of course the Vikings being the TE factory Casper played while Senser was entering the 3rd season of knee treatment, and we still had Bruer and Steve Jordan as our secret weapon! Unfortunately Casper likely did not know of the OA Phillips Buzzsaw upon his arrival where Earl Campbell was guaranteed X percent of offense (or based on how OA Phillips retired about same day Campbell retired in NO next year). Rewatching some 84 Vikes games announcers stated to trade Casper which he demanded the Vikes gave up a 2nd and 4th rounder (WOW) Senser and Grant got cut in 84, a rusty Manning got rocked later in year against CHI, then began the Steve Jordan with Kramer/Wilson/Burns 3 headed monster era, and rest is history!!! Now I wonder who picked up Casper for 84 season.....
i didn't play TE, i played receiver and i modelled myself after Dave in high school. i was only 6' and slow af, 5.1- 40 but i didn't drop the ball if i got my hands on it and i had the ability to get open even being slow.
Incredibly in the game that the Oilers had -4 net passing yards, they wont that game over the Bengals 17-10, Earl Campbell ran for 182 yards on 37 carries, The game that you showed was the rematch in which the Bengals won 34-21, leading by as much as 34-7 at one point
@Ryan Jacobson he took an ungodly pounding and virtual overuse. His carries in his first four years of his first six years 302, 368, 373 361 and 322 (he had 157 in 1982 which would have projected to a paltry 279)... to compare Derrick Henry had 349 last year and 378 in 2020 which are in itself reedunkulous numbers.
In 1982, the Oilers went 1-8--but they won in Week 2 against the Seattle Seahawks, 23-21. If the Seahawks manage to make a field goal or stop Earl Campbell from scoring the final touchdown, then the Oilers go 0-9--and have the #1 draft pick in 1983. They likely draft John Elway (who will NOT refuse to play for the Oilers) and boy does the history of the Oilers look different with Elway as QB...
John Elway was "literally" the fate of the universe for several teams... The Colts probably would have stayed in Baltimore; the Oilers would be a dynasty; the Broncos 🤷🏾♂️
Getting fired was the best thing that ever happened to Phillips because with no #1 picks from 1979-81 and with the age of the team it was not going to end well for him anyway.
Bud Grant was a great coach. Yeah he lost 4 Super Bowls. Mostly due to not being able to stop the run. Opposing teams couldn’t run to the right side of the field but the left was another story. He constantly told Carl Ellen that if he would gain 20 to 30 lbs he would do better in his position as tackle. Ellen refused stating that he was felt better and was quicker which was his strength. He would tell his coaches from day one, don’t overthink it. Do what is needed and go home. There was no working till 3 or 4 AM and sleeping at the office through the weekdays. And the Vikings were always prepared for Sunday’s game.
A little burrowing further and dang you Mike Lynn, Now I know why MN was choice of venue for Strike Arbitration AND District or Federal Court filing. I was about to finish this follow up but alas more DDOS ad related (was some religious ad). In any event the ultimate Andy Parker with Dave Casper in exhange for Allen Rice prior to start of 84 season worked out well for both teams, and what did I do, I wasnt signing family members to NFL token contracts or an exec producer of TWIB at the time.🥴😲🤥 Geez I sure hope the '87 Strike relieved the Archie Manning situation as last transaction shows he is still on IR for Thyroid as of YE 1983 and Harry said he paid Archie for entire 1985 season despite playing in 85 preseason...😮😮😮😮😮😮
Ed Biles would survive through 1982 with the 2nd worst record in all of the NFL(Only Frank Kush's Baltimore Colts(0-8-1) were worse), but with mounting frustrations, quit after just 9 games into the 1983 season
This is obviously hindsight, but handing the reins over to Ed Biles was not a smart move especially with Bill Parcels and Joe Gibbs available. Phillips has to go with his disastrous moves as a general manager.
OK so Dave was disenchanted with football...what would you think if you went to McDonald's just to order food and the employee taking your orders complains about his / her job..you would be thinking go home crybaby nobody is forcing you to work here
You don't know how life works huh? People kinda need to work ya fucking idiot. Whether they like it or not. Bet you had a silver spoon tho, huh daddy's boy?
'We're the hou-ston oilers, hou-ston oilers. hou-ston oilers number one'. 'LUV YA BLUE'. Too bad oilers were no where near no. one early '80's. The h r bud/earl campbell just a shell of himself days long gone. And poor arch. Going from the non playoff losing aint days to oilers non playoff teams. 0 playoff games for arch. Oilers weren't good again until moon and run n shoot come around later '80's. And the h r bud/earl campbell show went to n o after this with no success as well. To recap- arch n o > hou. earl campbell hou >n o. h r bum hou > n o. the snake hou > n o via oak. Played for h r bum twice. earl c. a teammate of the snake in hou. and n o. dave casper oak > hou. teammate of the snake in oak. and hou.
Could you imagine the attacks a modern player would get for making those statements about the game scaring them and being a mental and physical wreck? Fans would be bringing up how much money they make and would forever turn on that player.
@@raymondhopwood9393 Cool story but my comment has nothing to do with those comments, just what he said about his mental and physical health and how fans today would react to them. You'd see people crying about vets, cops, etc, and how they should appreciate what they have and bring up how much they make compared to just "regular people." Also, if he was a politician people would be praising him for "telling it like it is," but if it's an athlete then he's throwing the team under the bus? Plus, wasn't this back when loudmouth head coaches like Bill Parcells, John McKay, Buddy Ryan and others would regularly throw a player, the team, the coaching staff, GM, or even the owner under the bus before taking any credit for the problems? Owners, GMS, and HCs can throw anyone under the bus, so, when a player goes after bad coaches and their schemes, I'm all for it.
Fun Fact: Dave Casper also was on the undefeated, untied, unscored upon 1969 Chilton Tigers high school football team his Senior year. 363 points to 0. My alma mater. Thanks for making these videos!
Poor Archie Manning. An entire career spent throwing to WRs who were incompetent, couldn't run routes and couldn't catch balls and taking snaps behind o-lines that melted like butter. The guy would take the snap and more often than not immediately run for his life. If Archie had swapped places with Terry Bradshaw, he'd have been a first ballot HOFer.
His sons did OK.
Some coaches and GMs back then just stunk. I blame the much lower salaries of the era. Some of the people just weren't that sharp or perhaps just didn't care that much.
@@Rockhound6165 Great point. He got his four Super Bowls just the same as Bradshaw--they just came a little later.
@@Rockhound6165 The football gods made it all up to Archie by giving him Peyton and Eli.
@@Rockhound6165his sons did ok because he saw what owners you should and SHOULDN’T play for
Dave Casper was a great tight end. But the thing I remember him most for is the famous holy roller play, which I believe was in 1978 against the San Diego chargers. That was classic.
The Raiders receiving core in 1976 was lit. Cliff branch averaging 24.2 yards a catch with over 1100 yards, and dave casper catching 53 passes with 10 touchdowns
And they had a guy named Biletnikoff. Who is also in the Hall of Fame.
Ah, 1982. The gift that keeps on giving.
Also - I don’t know if you got a new mic or something, but your sound is a lot clearer. Not that it was bad before, but there is a definite improvement. 😊
Thanks! Not a new mic. Just put the audio into an AI tool called Adobe Podcast, and I guess the results are amazing
I for one wish I could go back to 1982. Things sure were a lot better than they are now!
I knew the 1982 season was weird, but I didn't know about this. Casper certainly knew what good offense looked like and I can see why he didn't think the passing game in H-Town was any good. If the WRs aren't running good routes, that's a coaching and personnel management issue IMO. Casper could do only so much on his own. The Oilers wouldn't be worth a damn again until after they won a bidding war for Warren Moon and even then, returning to the playoffs took a while.
The 1982 season keeps on giving
He was also involved in the Holy Roller play in 1978 against San Diego.
no shit
Wow who knew?
The Oilers were plagued ALL THROUGHOUT their time in Houston by Bud Adams' petty jealousy with the ownership of the Astros, which also played at the Astrodome. Adams just couldn't concentrate on spending money to build the team, and that would lead in part to moving the franchise to Nashville, Tennessee.
Bud was a pretty lousy owner. Didn't he feud with Jeff Fisher about starting Vince Young? The coach wanted to bench him, Bud didn't.
John Eddy you are spot on about Adams jealousy of the Astros as claiming cost the Oilers played outside in Rice Stadium from 1965-67 instead of the Astrodome which made the AFL mad because they wanted the attention of having indoor games playing a full season first time instead they had to wait until 1968 to have the first season of Pro Football games played in a indoor setting also Jealousy was the reason why Bud Adams got rid of Don Klosterman Sid Gillman Bum Phillips Jerry Glanville and Jeff Fisher all who got attention for the Oilers-Titans success then. I still think Bud Adams should be in the NFL HOF as he equally banked the early AFL with Lamar Hunt which without that early support of the AFL would have died. Lamar Hunt was not a good Owner from 1972-85 as the Chiefs did not make the playoffs and Adams teams never had that long of a gap of his teams not making the playoffs.
@@ryanjacobson2508 Adams who was mad because of Fisher drafting Pac-Man Jones in 2004 basically drafted Vince Young in 2006 over Jeff Fisher's concerns about Young and Adams wanted his draftee playing.
Adams was nothing more than a crappy tenant at the Astrodome. Ultimately it proved to be one of, if not the, worst stadium deals in the NFL. Was Adams a terrible owner? Sure I'll buy that, but he was hosed from the get go with terrible timing. No way Houston builds him a stadium in the 70s/80s with the Astrodome there. But look how soon Houston built a new stadium after the Oilers moved. Just 3 years later and BOOM - Reliant Stadium.
Ah the 1982 season again!
And looking at game film, Casper was a prototype of what Tony Gonzalez would become - physical, dependable, and a headache for linebackers and safeties to attempt to cover.
The 1982 Oilers had one of the most memorable folly plays. Against the Eagles, Archie got handed the ball back on a botched option pass play. He was scrambling and in desperation, whipped the ball underhand to a receiver. The receiver didn't score, but he did pick up a lot of yards.
You could have used the Asia "Heat of the Moment" lyric: And now you find yourself in '82.
Dave Casper: I hate you. Love, San Diego Fan. (Much respect, you HOFer!)
There is finally some “I’m sorry, WHAT?” Merchandise?
Hell Yeah!
It's crazy that season Casper had his highest yard per game average in his career
Cos he was the ONLY one catching passes for that Godforsaken team
The Oilers actually won the game where they had -4 passing yards. No receiver (or tight end) caught a pass. Earl Campbell, who had nearly 200 yards rushing, caught the only completion that day.
I was going to say this until I saw your comment!!! The sad part is that the Bengals only had one sack.
What's hilarious is the Oilers would literally have had more passing yards if they had just spiked the ball to the ground every pass attempt.
Sacks count as passing yards. Venerable Viking QB David Palmer also finished year with negative passing yards in 97 or 98❤
Flashback as someone gave me an autograph awhile of Dave Casper while in OAK, and since about the same time my bro got to hang out with Tommy Kramer, it got me thinking "Didn't Dave play for Vikes for a week or so when team had 83 early Aug exhibition game? YES HE DID and Houston went in 83 "Dave get back here you are still under contract"😮😮😮. Of course a still pretty good Manning and Casper got shipped to MIN following Kramer's injury in TAM Week 4 or so only where Manning got to take the rest of the year off behind Dils and Wade Wilson and possibly Bud Grants son.
Of course the Vikings being the TE factory Casper played while Senser was entering the 3rd season of knee treatment, and we still had Bruer and Steve Jordan as our secret weapon!
Unfortunately Casper likely did not know of the OA Phillips Buzzsaw upon his arrival where Earl Campbell was guaranteed X percent of offense (or based on how OA Phillips retired about same day Campbell retired in NO next year).
Rewatching some 84 Vikes games announcers stated to trade Casper which he demanded the Vikes gave up a 2nd and 4th rounder (WOW) Senser and Grant got cut in 84, a rusty Manning got rocked later in year against CHI, then began the Steve Jordan with Kramer/Wilson/Burns 3 headed monster era, and rest is history!!!
Now I wonder who picked up Casper for 84 season.....
I died after the connecting the dots quote lmaoooo
The ghost to the post!
i didn't play TE, i played receiver and i modelled myself after Dave in high school. i was only 6' and slow af, 5.1- 40 but i didn't drop the ball if i got my hands on it and i had the ability to get open even being slow.
Incredibly in the game that the Oilers had -4 net passing yards, they wont that game over the Bengals 17-10, Earl Campbell ran for 182 yards on 37 carries, The game that you showed was the rematch in which the Bengals won 34-21, leading by as much as 34-7 at one point
I can't imagine why Campbell's prime was only like 4 years long.
It’s about as bad as if you did nothing more than throw the ball into the turf on every down to improve your passer rating.
@Ryan Jacobson he took an ungodly pounding and virtual overuse. His carries in his first four years of his first six years 302, 368, 373 361 and 322 (he had 157 in 1982 which would have projected to a paltry 279)... to compare Derrick Henry had 349 last year and 378 in 2020 which are in itself reedunkulous numbers.
1982 good music Stanford versus Cal
In 1982, the Oilers went 1-8--but they won in Week 2 against the Seattle Seahawks, 23-21. If the Seahawks manage to make a field goal or stop Earl Campbell from scoring the final touchdown, then the Oilers go 0-9--and have the #1 draft pick in 1983. They likely draft John Elway (who will NOT refuse to play for the Oilers) and boy does the history of the Oilers look different with Elway as QB...
John Elway was "literally" the fate of the universe for several teams... The Colts probably would have stayed in Baltimore; the Oilers would be a dynasty; the Broncos 🤷🏾♂️
GOAT!!!!!!!!!!!! NEVER MISSED A BALL THROWN TO HIM. It was the Most Iconic catch of all time. What are you talking about, ONE OF THE MOST?
Such a great TE and the best thing was he could blocked too
The weird thing is, Casper always struck me as someone who just didn't care about football or competing at anything and now I know it wasn't just me.
Casper is in the Hall of Fame at the college and pro level. Do your research!
Getting fired was the best thing that ever happened to Phillips because with no #1 picks from 1979-81 and with the age of the team it was not going to end well for him anyway.
Bud Grant was a great coach. Yeah he lost 4 Super Bowls. Mostly due to not being able to stop the run. Opposing teams couldn’t run to the right side of the field but the left was another story. He constantly told Carl Ellen that if he would gain 20 to 30 lbs he would do better in his position as tackle. Ellen refused stating that he was felt better and was quicker which was his strength. He would tell his coaches from day one, don’t overthink it. Do what is needed and go home. There was no working till 3 or 4 AM and sleeping at the office through the weekdays. And the Vikings were always prepared for Sunday’s game.
Will there be a companion / follow up video of Tom Brady talking about “a lot of bad football”? 😅
Is it just me or does video seem slower than usual?
Tried something new with the audio quality so maybe that's why
@@OfficialJaguarGator9maybe
Holy crap you got a mic?!
Amazingly enough, no. It's the same mic I've always used. Just put the audio into an AI tool called Adobe Podcast
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 Oh
Casper saw the decline of Ken Stabler. Stabler was great in 1976 in Oakland and was terrible in 1981 in Houston.
Stabler was an interception machine in Houston and New Orleans.
A little burrowing further and dang you Mike Lynn, Now I know why MN was choice of venue for Strike Arbitration AND District or Federal Court filing. I was about to finish this follow up but alas more DDOS ad related (was some religious ad).
In any event the ultimate Andy Parker with Dave Casper in exhange for Allen Rice prior to start of 84 season worked out well for both teams, and what did I do, I wasnt signing family members to NFL token contracts or an exec producer of TWIB at the time.🥴😲🤥
Geez I sure hope the '87 Strike relieved the Archie Manning situation as last transaction shows he is still on IR for Thyroid as of YE 1983 and Harry said he paid Archie for entire 1985 season despite playing in 85 preseason...😮😮😮😮😮😮
The Raiders said the same thing after the 1980 wild card game.
Well Bud Adams got what he wanted. Fire Coach Phillips, let Pastorini go.....and the team became a brittle joke with washed-up raiders.
1982 season...because of course it was
Ed Biles would survive through 1982 with the 2nd worst record in all of the NFL(Only Frank Kush's Baltimore Colts(0-8-1) were worse), but with mounting frustrations, quit after just 9 games into the 1983 season
After Elway dissed the Colts, their QB woes continued for several more years.
After Elway dissed the Colts, their QB woes continued for several more years.
@@raymondhopwood9393 Had Elway went to the Colts, they probably would have stayed in Baltimore, but...
This is obviously hindsight, but handing the reins over to Ed Biles was not a smart move especially with Bill Parcels and Joe Gibbs available. Phillips has to go with his disastrous moves as a general manager.
The host wasn't kidding, was he?
putrid o-line judging from these highlights
👍👍
OK so Dave was disenchanted with football...what would you think if you went to McDonald's just to order food and the employee taking your orders complains about his / her job..you would be thinking go home crybaby nobody is forcing you to work here
Oddly enough these days a lot of people go through that exact same experience on a daily basis.
You don't know how life works huh? People kinda need to work ya fucking idiot. Whether they like it or not. Bet you had a silver spoon tho, huh daddy's boy?
Blanton Collier: A heck of a coach, si. A Hall of Famer, no.
Dave,Jack,and Ken was part Raiders in only to in up with the Oilers
1982 oilers were worthless they only had 3 good players earl Campbell Dave Casper and Ken stabler and finished with an 1-8 record
'We're the hou-ston oilers, hou-ston oilers. hou-ston oilers number one'. 'LUV YA BLUE'. Too bad oilers were no where near no. one early '80's. The h r bud/earl campbell just a shell of himself days long gone. And poor arch. Going from the non playoff losing aint days to oilers non playoff teams. 0 playoff games for arch. Oilers weren't good again until moon and run n shoot come around later '80's. And the h r bud/earl campbell show went to n o after this with no success as well.
To recap- arch n o > hou.
earl campbell hou >n o.
h r bum hou > n o.
the snake hou > n o via oak. Played for h r bum twice.
earl c. a teammate of the snake in hou. and n o.
dave casper oak > hou. teammate of the snake in oak. and hou.
Could you imagine the attacks a modern player would get for making those statements about the game scaring them and being a mental and physical wreck? Fans would be bringing up how much money they make and would forever turn on that player.
@@raymondhopwood9393
Cool story but my comment has nothing to do with those comments, just what he said about his mental and physical health and how fans today would react to them.
You'd see people crying about vets, cops, etc, and how they should appreciate what they have and bring up how much they make compared to just "regular people."
Also, if he was a politician people would be praising him for "telling it like it is," but if it's an athlete then he's throwing the team under the bus?
Plus, wasn't this back when loudmouth head coaches like Bill Parcells, John McKay, Buddy Ryan and others would regularly throw a player, the team, the coaching staff, GM, or even the owner under the bus before taking any credit for the problems?
Owners, GMS, and HCs can throw anyone under the bus, so, when a player goes after bad coaches and their schemes, I'm all for it.
@@mykull666
Point taken, with my apologies. I'm deleting my above comment.
Nothing is worse than hearing that 39.6 crap of this guy.
The rec0rd after the f!r!ng !s m0re the 01d guy than the new. 1'm a1s0 qu!te sure that marty was a better HC than N0rv.