This was the dark ages of the Oilers. Biles did everything to change the team from the Luv Ya Blue era, including making the team where their road uniforms for home games.
Ed Biles got the head coach position by betraying Bum Phillips. Bum viewed Biles as a friend and used to pick him up in his truck to drive to work together. Bum openly discussed football matters with Biles under the impression that it was in confidence. However unbeknownst to Bum Biles would give owner Bud Adams the play by play of what Bum said to him. He told Bud Adams the team lacked discipline and Bum allowed the players to run amok. After the '80 playoff loss wild card round to the Raiders Bum told Biles that Bud wants him to hire an offensive coordinator. Bum informed Biles that he's going to tell Bud Adams that he can fire him if he won't accept his decision not to. Bum said that he knew Bud Adams wouldn't fire him after the recent success and coming so close to getting to the Super Bowl. Biles called Bud Adams and told him what Bum said and Bum told the owner exactly what he said he would and Bud surprised him by actually firing him. Bum told Bud Adams this quote. " I told you the day you hired me I'll shake your hand and the day you fire me I'll shake your hand and thank you for the opportunity. " Bum thanked Bud walked out the door and when he got to his truck he began to cry. Those weren't the only tears flowing in Houston once this awful new years news spread. Ed Biles set the Oilers franchise back with his inept approach to coaching.
@@67marlins Yes also the 3 things Bud Adams said he regretted the most was...firing Bum Phillips, trading Warren Moon and not getting the Oilers a new stadium in Houston.
@@67marlins Yes alas too late It killed me when he took the Oilers to Tennessee. If he showed some patience instead of demanding things would have worked out and he would have had his stadium.
At Shipley's Doughnuts I ordered a kolache and they asked if I wanted a "Big Girl". Really? A big girl? Interesting marketing. Then my friend told me it was a Big Earl, named after Earl Campbell.
@@beckydoesit9331 yeah Earl Campbell started his own sausage company after he retired. They’re pretty good. The Kolaches are Called that cause they use his sausages in them
As a former oilers fan this makes my brain hurt. Another brilliant decision by Bud Adams. Also fun fact: Gifford Neilson went on to be a sports director on a news station in Houston
The Irishpanic: I grew up a Steelers fan who feels bad for how adams treated Houston. Oilers fans deserve better. However, Gifford Nielsen did, "save the day' with that playoff win over San Diego
You raised a great issue from the start about Bum Phillips and his firing. I remember the controversy so well....and Ed Biles was really bad as an NFL head coach. Great story-telling about the 1982 issue and the QB controversy. All common sense thrown out the window on this one. Excellent video, as always
@@treyblaze22 No he didn't! By 1980 Bum was an slightly above average coach and a terrible GM. Bum had the power as GM and made terrible trades. Ed Biles was left with no early picks, an over the hill QB, and an aging slow defense.
@@treyblaze22 You're right. I believe if Bum had been given one more year, and Pastorini had healed in the off-season, they would have marched past the AFC Central, spanked an old, brittle Oakland, and beaten Philly in Super Bowl 1981.
@@67marlins Bum Phillips was the man that made the trade. He was the GM. Look at the other terrible moves he made in his last couple of years as coach. He gets a free pass but really looked terrible in some games in 1980.
Worst coaching change ever. And this is a franchise that once employed Bill Peterson (1-18). At least Peterson replaced another failed coach, not one that brought the franchise three consecutive playoff bids-their only three from 1970-1986.
And not only that, said fired coach is still to this day one of the most beloved sports personalities in city history, even to a lot of football fans who weren't even alive then.
The players loved Bum. I'm a Raiders fan and I love Stabler, but I'll be the 1st to say in 1980 Earl Campbell was why they were 11-5. But Kenny even said he loved Bum. Getting rid of Bum for a Bum and this QB was not better than Snake or Archie
Any Oiler fan knows that they would've been a better team without owner interference. Bud Adams fired coaches and gms on a whim, threatened to move the Oilers if he couldnt play in the Astrodome then moved them when he wanted a new stadium. And yet Ed Biles wasnt the worst coach.....Bill Peterson....1-18
@@LIFEWITHTHEJONESES1 We've never rooted for the Titans. As far as we're concerned, it's the same situation as with the Ravens and Browns: the Tennessee Oilers/Titans are a completely different franchise, and the Texans are a continuation of the Houston Oilers. The fact that Bum and Earl are still easily the most beloved Houston sports personalities not named Hakeem or Altuve is evidence of that.
@@quigonkenny Texans fans might be a touch mental. Every year there's a demand to wear the old Oilers colors and they have to be reminded the Texans are not the Oilers.
Agree on the management of the team, GM, Coaches, etc. - but the Astrodome was garbage and Adams did have the worst stadium deal of all owners. If only the city and county had built Reliant stadium just 3 years sooner, they'd still be in Houston.
This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about another dumb quarterback controversy explanation by a coach in a strike-shortened season, this one from former Chiefs Coach Frank Gansz.
I THOUGHT that was Oliver "Rotten" Luck, but was too lazy to look it up. You could make a solid case that Phillips SHOULD have been fired for the downright idiotic Pastorini/Stabler trade. Don't know if Phillips's firing or Stabler's chuck and duck quarterbacking was more responsible for Houston's precipitous decline.
Ed Biles would be retained for the 1983 season, but with mounting frustrations(Considering that Biles went 8-8 in his first year and won just once in 15 games over his last 2 years), he quit the team and was replaced by Chuck Studley.
I think he went 7-9 in his first year, 1981. But I get your point. He sucked. Most forgettable era of Oilers history. Actually, worse era I'd LIKE to forget, but unfortunately can't.
As a kid I absolutely despised Adam's after trading Pastorini and firing Phillips. But Pastorini requested a trade a year earlier (in the post flight heat of a playoff loss). Phillips talked him into staying another year. Unfortunately, the same discussion occurred again in 79 under the same circumstances and Phillips and Pastorini were too stubborn to break their promise from 78. Pretty sure both would have been gone after 81 at the latest. Pastorini was too beaten up from those atrocious teams of the early to mid 70s, and Phillips had let that whole team just age with hardly any influx of youth. But damn, Ed Biles? I think O -line coach Joe Bugel would have a much better choice.
At this point, Pastorini was marginally better than Stabler, but let's put this into context, they were both in the bottom half of QBs in the early 80s. Would Bum and Dan and Earl finally made a Super Bowl in 81? We'll never know, but both Dan and Earl were not getting better.
Ed Biles shows all the younger fans how he lost his job without seeing any highlights or even looking at his record. "Why did they fire Biles?" Here read these quotes.
Having lived in the Houston area since the 70s, I can tell you using the words dumbest and Houston Oilers in the same sentence, is the definition of redundant. If Bud Adams had the choice of hiring a highly qualified coach, or a coach who would work cheap, guess who got hired. This isn't the first, or last, time Ol' Bud hired an unqualified boob as Oilers head coach, because he would be paid less the the incumbent coach.
Archie Manning never won a game in Houston, he never won another game as a starting QB, getting traded to Minnesota in 1984 and losing both his starts. Manning's last win was in 1981 against Ed Biles and the Houston Oilers...
So they fired Bum for this guy? Yes Bum did tend to run Earl a lot. But there’s no way he was a worse coach than Biles. Shaking my head at the Manning trade. I had forgotten about that.
As a young college student I attended the exhibition game in August 1972 between the Bears and Oilers at the Astrodome and watched Lynn Dickey literally tear the Bears defense to pieces with long touchdown passes to Ken Burrough and Charlie Joiner. I always thought Dickey would have been a better choice as starter in the 70's than Pastorini. Just my opinion, but Lynn did very well with the Packers years later.
Am I mistaken, or was that Oliver "Rotten" Luck walking around in Manning's vicinity in a bunch of those sideline shots? Man, what a BRUTAL time to be a Houston fan, after the DUMB decision to trade Pastorini for a past-his-prime ALWAYS overrated Ken Stabler, who became a turnover MACHINE without Art Shell, Dave Dalby, and Gene Upshaw to keep his uniform clean for 5-6 seconds every dropback. Manning should have been still in his late prime if not for the relentless beating he took with the Saints, but those years clearly took their toll.
nah. nfl suing xfl for the roughnecks because the roughnecks logos being vaguely similar to oilers and patriots logos is the most ridiculous oilers controversy.
Jack Tatum ( who along with Kenny Stabler and Dave Casper, went to Houston after the 79 season) said this "He took Bum's winning team and put them in the toilet." Basically the same team,no free agency back then. He also said of Bum Phillips " Sometimes human nature will let us dog it once in a while, but for a man like Bum Phillips, I found myself trying a little harder." Eddie Biles lied to Tatum too, saying he couldn't start him because of his physical style, when he was actually contractually obligated to start Mike Renfro. Known for being full of BS. Even as a Raider fan, I miss the old Houston Oilers and still like the Tennessee Titans.
Some details on 1982, many of the Oilers had jumped ship to play for Bum in New Orleans. Leon Gray was unsigned and would not play for Houston thus the trade to New Orleans. There was a ton turnover from last Houston playoff team. While this video spends a lot of time questioning anything Ed Biles did, remember Houston had an offensive coordinator, the whole reason Ed Biles was coach. How much of the quarterback controversy was due to Shofner? In the end they would go through several quarterbacks including Oliver Luck who's son later would be pretty damn good qb, however he was not. This of course would lead to Warren Moon in a couple of years. Ed Biles was not a good Head Coach, but he was not the worst. I would have to give it to Sid Gillman, especially since he signed off on the Kenny Houston trade to Washington for a bunch of nobodies(not totally true, Mack Alston was a decent TE but hardly worth a Hall of Famer). In '72 Coach Peterson led the team to a 1-13 record, but the team had a fairly good defense. In 73 under Gillman, the team also went 1-13 and were light years worse.
Archie was the best losing qb of the 70s, the Saints were not like the Sean Payton Saints team. But by God I'd take Bum's bumbling Saints over the Oilers in 83
To be fair, Leon Gray was washed up and Houston knew it and tried to let him go for anything before the rest of the league got wise. Those great Oiler teams got old just like the Steelers did. Those 2 teams really beat the crap out of each other.
They really did, even when Pittsburgh was division champs and Houston was 1-13, their games were a war with Bradshaw once even almost getting into a fight with Elven Bethea which would not have gone well for him.
I live in Tennessee and events like these is why the Titans are in Tennessee and the fans in Houston got sick of the Oilers and stopped supporting them allowing Bud Adams the excuse to move to Nashville. Bud Adams deserves to be in the HOF because with his money along with Lamar Hunt kept some of the other AFL teams afloat until the league grew and the other teams got on their feet and without Adams and Hunt the AFL would have died after 2 or 3 years and there may have never been the Raiders Chiefs Jets Dolphins Bills Patriots Broncos and Chargers and Bengals and Oilers who have all have had great moments in NFL history. Bud Adams may have known about Business but not about hiring coaches. Ed Biles is in along list of bad Oiler coaches like Sammy Baugh and Hugh Taylor who never had playbooks and Bill Peterson who actually told his players during the National Anthem stand on your helmets and put the sidelines under your arms.
I've always found the history of the AFL Interesting. Probrably more so than the NFL. Lamar Hunt started the AFL but Bud Adams was also instrumental in helping it to get on it's feet, so to speak. Two oil men from Texas. Houston and Dallas.
Love Ya Blue! Bum was the greatest coach in Houston Oiler History! Should not have been fired. He took them to two AFC Championship games. Oilers never made it back.
1980s NFL was a completely different game. I remember this time period as of course you couldn't because you are too young. Does the name Don Shula ring a bell? Well he was using 2 quarterbacks, and doing very well in the early 80s. Matter of fact 2 division titles, and went to the Superbowl in 1982.
Schottenheimer seemed to lose his mind in the playoffs. He took the ball out of Tomlinson‘s hands in crunch time, the team was pretty stacked but he couldn’t get them to take the next step. Par for the course in schottenheimer’s career. Excellent coach who couldn’t seal the deal. I’m a bears fan living in San Diego, but I don’t recall a huge controversy around his firing, my friends who are/were chargers fans before they left, generally agreed with the decision.
What I would do if I was a coach I would say that we came back after strike and Neilson is rusty. Well see Thursday if hes ready before I make the decision
I was an 11 year old Saints fan at this time. Except for a 7-9 and 8-8 season I never had much to root for. After the 8-8 season, the next year was really thought to be finally the year the Saints would break through! We gonna have a winning record and finally might make the Playoffs. Our defense wasn’t very good, but our offense led by Archie Manning with support from Wes Chandler, Chuck Muncie, and Tony Galbreth was something else! That year came, and out came the paper bags. 1-15! Chuck Muncie gone. We hire Bum Phillips. 1st pick of the draft we take George Rodgers, what if we would have taken Lawrence Taylor instead? 1st pick of the 2nd round we take my All-time favorite New Orleans Saints defensive player Rickey Jackson! Forget about Pat Swilling who came along a little later, think about what kind of killer outside linebacker combo the Saints could of had with Taylor and Jackson. As a long suffering Saints fan, it’s a great what ifs! First Bum Phillips year, 4-12. Which was a vast improvement. George Rodgers had over 1600 yards rushing, Bum had to get his Earl clone. Disappointing for me was he traded away Wes Chandler and Tony Galbreath. But, I kind of liked this vastly improved defense. The Strike Year! We sign washed up Kenny Stabler. I loved the guy. One of the most original characters that’s ever played in the NFL and after years of being long overdue finally got elected to the Hall of Fame for the Great Quarterback he was with the Oakland Raiders. Things changed when he got to the Oilers. And I didn’t want him on my Saints! My quarterback was Archie Manning! Broke my heart when I got home from school and my dad told me Bum traded Archie to Houston for Leon Grey, who I might add made most of his Pro Bowls with New England and not Houston and aside from Stabler had already seen his better days. But was a sign of things to come. Bum replaced George Rodgers with washed up Earl…………… But, the one thing I will say. Bum Phillips does not get enough credit for building the Linebacking Corp, that became known as the Dome Patrol. He screwed up the Saints in a lot of ways, but he did do that.
Couldn't get a stadium. Everyone blames Bud Adams but he was leasing the Astrodome from Astros owner Drayton McLane who was nickel and diming him and who got all the profits from Oilers merch sold in the Dome. Bud was almost successful in getting a stadium until Drayton started a campaign against him that painted him as a greedy villain.
Too, bad, they forgot to give him, some, defense, and, a, running game, to bleed the clock, late, OTOH, he forgot to be a decent human being, so, the entire thing, was, a wash, really, bizarre.
How long does it take you to make videos? Do you just have a bunch ready to go for a slow news day or are you legit making a brand new video every single day
Legit new videos every day. It’s a one man operation. There might be some days where I’ll write two or three scripts and spread the process out/work on multiple videos at once, but there’s never a day where I’m not working. Put in a solid 11-12 hours a day researching, writing, recording, editing, and taking care of everything else
Danpastorini was the oilers qb in my day and did he take a beaten especially with that front four the Steelers had that whole first squab for the Steelers defense was crazy
I hate the Dallas Cowboys but the Dallas Cowboys did Tom Landry dirty, real dirty, especially after all of the success that Tom Landry brought to the team
Live NFL TRIVIA EVERY Wednesday night on TWITCH!!!! Test your football KNOWLEDGE and win CASH PRIZES!!!!!!! Well CONSIDERING that the Houston Oilers will ALWAYS BE BELOW a 39.6 and should SPIKE the football into the ground on EVERY single OFFENSIVE play THIS doesn't SURPRISE me at ALL.
poor arch was near the end playing for yet another losing team as he missed the playoffs once again never seeing a playoff game. and gifford neilson was another of the lavell edwards productive byu qb's of the '70's-'80s that didn't translate to nfl success. and bud adams still SUCKS. ' were the houston oilers, houston oilers. houston oilers no. one'.
Really would have liked to have seen Archie Manning on a team that was halfway decent. I think it would have been interesting to see him on the raiders cowboys ect of that era. Totally wasted talent
@@stevenbauer4799 That's possible but was Tatum on that Gifford Nelson/Archie Manning team?And when did Dave Casper become part of that deal I'm still somewhat confused?
@@stevenbauer4799 Yep you are right it's all coming back to me when you pointed out that Stabler was in New Orleans at that time he left and followed Bum Philips on his way out pastorini was a Raider.
Biles proved himself a bigger idiot in the draft the next season. First they traded the #2 overall pick to Seattle(who subsequently traded the pick to the Rams who drafted Eric Dickerson) but then took offensive tackle Bruce Matthews with their pick and while Matthews was a hall of famer, they still could have drafted Jim Kelly which IIRC was talked about. However, they did get Warren Moon the following season and the rest is history.
@@matthewdaley746 Moon doesn't play defense last I looked and Kelly went down in history to be the first QB to lose 4 Super Bowls let alone 4 straight. At least Moon won championships. Maybe not Super Bowls but 4 straight Grey Cups.
@@Rockhound6165 It, was, five, Grey Cups, and, his competition, wasn't, good, enough to make the, NFL, so, his advantage, was, laughable, as, for, not, playing defense, that's immaterial, far, worse, QBs, than, him, have, reached, the, SB, and, it's far harder to excuse the fact that he, apparently, forgot to hand the ball, off, to, a, RB, but, the, NFL, conveniently forgets a lot of things about him, simple as that.
One day its gonna come out... that Bradshaw threw 3 games that year in 1982 for money to a certain popular Bookie.. 9-10 to Cleveland and both shutout losses to Seattle and Buffalo. Other than those games the Steelers were dominating that year offense and defense... so I guess he felt he could throw a couple or a few for some extra bucks or something. There has been some noise made it about it recently.. but nothing that that has caught fire yet.
Not, sure about that, but, "The, Strike," meant, that his demise, (which, actually, began, in, 1980), never, got the chance to be revealed, and, he stole, one, last, paycheck, played, one, last, Game, and, the Steelers would, lose, Dan Marino.
Ed Biles may have been a terrible coach but those polyester pants are terrific and belong in Canton
No wonder Peyton Manning hated the Titans.
Ed Biles sounds like a discount store Urban Meyer without the girl at the bar 😂
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At least Urban was one of the most successful coaches in College football. His methods just didn't work on the professional level.
Yeah but did Biles tell Archie Manning or Gifford Nielsen: hey dipsheet, make those f'ing completions! 😈
Jason - that was brutal. But also true.
Archie Manning was a little too long in the tooth by this time he could still throw but he couldn't run anymore.
This was the dark ages of the Oilers. Biles did everything to change the team from the Luv Ya Blue era, including making the team where their road uniforms for home games.
Ed Biles got the head coach position by betraying Bum Phillips. Bum viewed Biles as a friend and used to pick him up in his truck to drive to work together. Bum openly discussed football matters with Biles under the impression that it was in confidence. However unbeknownst to Bum Biles would give owner Bud Adams the play by play of what Bum said to him. He told Bud Adams the team lacked discipline and Bum allowed the players to run amok. After the '80 playoff loss wild card round to the Raiders Bum told Biles that Bud wants him to hire an offensive coordinator. Bum informed Biles that he's going to tell Bud Adams that he can fire him if he won't accept his decision not to. Bum said that he knew Bud Adams wouldn't fire him after the recent success and coming so close to getting to the Super Bowl. Biles called Bud Adams and told him what Bum said and Bum told the owner exactly what he said he would and Bud surprised him by actually firing him. Bum told Bud Adams this quote. " I told you the day you hired me I'll shake your hand and the day you fire me I'll shake your hand and thank you for the opportunity. " Bum thanked Bud walked out the door and when he got to his truck he began to cry. Those weren't the only tears flowing in Houston once this awful new years news spread. Ed Biles set the Oilers franchise back with his inept approach to coaching.
Adams was Jerruh Jones prototype
Wow.....brutal story. What low-class people biles AND adams both were.
@@67marlins Yes also the 3 things Bud Adams said he regretted the most was...firing Bum Phillips, trading Warren Moon and not getting the Oilers a new stadium in Houston.
@@donparisheo Well, at least then Bud Adams had some sense of perspective.
@@67marlins Yes alas too late It killed me when he took the Oilers to Tennessee. If he showed some patience instead of demanding things would have worked out and he would have had his stadium.
Ed Biles would have had a better record as Oilers coach if he had his QBs spike the ball every time they didn't give it to Earl Campbell.
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At Shipley's Doughnuts I ordered a kolache and they asked if I wanted a "Big Girl". Really? A big girl? Interesting marketing. Then my friend told me it was a Big Earl, named after Earl Campbell.
@@beckydoesit9331 yeah Earl Campbell started his own sausage company after he retired. They’re pretty good. The Kolaches are Called that cause they use his sausages in them
As a former oilers fan this makes my brain hurt. Another brilliant decision by Bud Adams. Also fun fact: Gifford Neilson went on to be a sports director on a news station in Houston
The Irishpanic: I grew up a Steelers fan who feels bad for how adams treated Houston.
Oilers fans deserve better.
However, Gifford Nielsen did, "save the day' with that playoff win over San Diego
@Snotlout Is A God and several years later quit to be a part owner of a bank.
@Snotlout Is A God Blew my mind when I learned the sports guy was a former player.
Jack Tatum played for Biles with the Oilers in 1981. Tatum said Biles started Mike Reinfeldt over him and lied about the reason why.
You raised a great issue from the start about Bum Phillips and his firing. I remember the controversy so well....and Ed Biles was really bad as an NFL head coach. Great story-telling about the 1982 issue and the QB controversy. All common sense thrown out the window on this one. Excellent video, as always
The firing of bum Phillips was a travesty
I really believe bud Adams sabotaged the oilers when he fired bum Philips.
@@treyblaze22 No he didn't! By 1980 Bum was an slightly above average coach and a terrible GM. Bum had the power as GM and made terrible trades. Ed Biles was left with no early picks, an over the hill QB, and an aging slow defense.
@@treyblaze22 You're right. I believe if Bum had been given one more year, and Pastorini had healed in the off-season, they would have marched past the AFC Central, spanked an old, brittle Oakland, and beaten Philly in Super Bowl 1981.
@@67marlins Bum Phillips was the man that made the trade. He was the GM. Look at the other terrible moves he made in his last couple of years as coach. He gets a free pass but really looked terrible in some games in 1980.
I wish they'd bring back the Houston Oilers.
They did, the Tennessee Titans.
@@brothermouzone1307 Bring them back to Houston and change the name back to the Oilers.
Moral of the story: First off: DON’T fire your successful head coach, and TWO, learn how to handle a QB controversy, and don’t confuse your players.
Third, some teams just, never, will get, over, the hump.
Worst coaching change ever. And this is a franchise that once employed Bill Peterson (1-18). At least Peterson replaced another failed coach, not one that brought the franchise three consecutive playoff bids-their only three from 1970-1986.
And not only that, said fired coach is still to this day one of the most beloved sports personalities in city history, even to a lot of football fans who weren't even alive then.
The players loved Bum. I'm a Raiders fan and I love Stabler, but I'll be the 1st to say in 1980 Earl Campbell was why they were 11-5. But Kenny even said he loved Bum. Getting rid of Bum for a Bum and this QB was not better than Snake or Archie
Any Oiler fan knows that they would've been a better team without owner interference. Bud Adams fired coaches and gms on a whim, threatened to move the Oilers if he couldnt play in the Astrodome then moved them when he wanted a new stadium.
And yet Ed Biles wasnt the worst coach.....Bill Peterson....1-18
Titans fan here! Do you all still root for the titans down in Huston or did you become texans fans?
Bill Peterson. Three guys go line up in a circle!
@@LIFEWITHTHEJONESES1 We've never rooted for the Titans. As far as we're concerned, it's the same situation as with the Ravens and Browns: the Tennessee Oilers/Titans are a completely different franchise, and the Texans are a continuation of the Houston Oilers. The fact that Bum and Earl are still easily the most beloved Houston sports personalities not named Hakeem or Altuve is evidence of that.
@@quigonkenny Texans fans might be a touch mental. Every year there's a demand to wear the old Oilers colors and they have to be reminded the Texans are not the Oilers.
Agree on the management of the team, GM, Coaches, etc. - but the Astrodome was garbage and Adams did have the worst stadium deal of all owners. If only the city and county had built Reliant stadium just 3 years sooner, they'd still be in Houston.
This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about another dumb quarterback controversy explanation by a coach in a strike-shortened season, this one from former Chiefs Coach Frank Gansz.
Had one of the greatest running backs ever and ran him into the ground i hate organizations like this
Damn, this was 6 years before I was even born and even I'm pissed off about it
09:22 Peyton Manning's dad next to Andrew Luck's Dad. Colts fans everywhere give thanks!
I think they, greatly, expected far, more, than, one, SB.
@@matthewdaley746 indeed, but compared to what came before....
@@craigwoodward7638 Painful what remained unaccomplished.
I THOUGHT that was Oliver "Rotten" Luck, but was too lazy to look it up.
You could make a solid case that Phillips SHOULD have been fired for the downright idiotic Pastorini/Stabler trade. Don't know if Phillips's firing or Stabler's chuck and duck quarterbacking was more responsible for Houston's precipitous decline.
@@richardadams4928 I blame the Raiders, for, that, sadly, they just failed.
How did this guy become a head coach in the NFL smh
Just like Kotite later on.
Ed Biles would be retained for the 1983 season, but with mounting frustrations(Considering that Biles went 8-8 in his first year and won just once in 15 games over his last 2 years), he quit the team and was replaced by Chuck Studley.
I think he went 7-9 in his first year, 1981. But I get your point. He sucked. Most forgettable era of Oilers history. Actually, worse era I'd LIKE to forget, but unfortunately can't.
As a kid I absolutely despised Adam's after trading Pastorini and firing Phillips. But Pastorini requested a trade a year earlier (in the post flight heat of a playoff loss). Phillips talked him into staying another year. Unfortunately, the same discussion occurred again in 79 under the same circumstances and Phillips and Pastorini were too stubborn to break their promise from 78. Pretty sure both would have been gone after 81 at the latest. Pastorini was too beaten up from those atrocious teams of the early to mid 70s, and Phillips had let that whole team just age with hardly any influx of youth.
But damn, Ed Biles? I think O -line coach Joe Bugel would have a much better choice.
Legend, for, Washington, later.
Orange Lab - great point. Bagel would have continued some degree of success.
@@67marlins Fate, dictated, otherwise, unfortunately.
At this point, Pastorini was marginally better than Stabler, but let's put this into context, they were both in the bottom half of QBs in the early 80s. Would Bum and Dan and Earl finally made a Super Bowl in 81? We'll never know, but both Dan and Earl were not getting better.
@cadpanacea Attrition, dictated, otherwise, unfortunately.
Ed Biles shows all the younger fans how he lost his job without seeing any highlights or even looking at his record. "Why did they fire Biles?" Here read these quotes.
What about Marion Campbell? He was a coach for Houston and Atlanta.
Having lived in the Houston area since the 70s, I can tell you using the words dumbest and Houston Oilers in the same sentence, is the definition of redundant.
If Bud Adams had the choice of hiring a highly qualified coach, or a coach who would work cheap, guess who got hired. This isn't the first, or last, time Ol' Bud hired an unqualified boob as Oilers head coach, because he would be paid less the the incumbent coach.
Archie Manning never won a game in Houston, he never won another game as a starting QB, getting traded to Minnesota in 1984 and losing both his starts. Manning's last win was in 1981 against Ed Biles and the Houston Oilers...
So they fired Bum for this guy?
Yes Bum did tend to run Earl a lot. But there’s no way he was a worse coach than Biles.
Shaking my head at the Manning trade. I had forgotten about that.
Maybe we need little wristbands, the opposite of "what would Jesus do?" - "What would Ed Bies Do?" and do the opposite!!! :D
As a young college student I attended the exhibition game in August 1972 between the Bears and Oilers at the Astrodome and watched Lynn Dickey literally tear the Bears defense to pieces with long touchdown passes to Ken Burrough and Charlie Joiner. I always thought Dickey would have been a better choice as starter in the 70's than Pastorini. Just my opinion, but Lynn did very well with the Packers years later.
Yeah, Pastorini was overrated.
Am I mistaken, or was that Oliver "Rotten" Luck walking around in Manning's vicinity in a bunch of those sideline shots? Man, what a BRUTAL time to be a Houston fan, after the DUMB decision to trade Pastorini for a past-his-prime ALWAYS overrated Ken Stabler, who became a turnover MACHINE without Art Shell, Dave Dalby, and Gene Upshaw to keep his uniform clean for 5-6 seconds every dropback.
Manning should have been still in his late prime if not for the relentless beating he took with the Saints, but those years clearly took their toll.
At, least, he, became, the, best, sire, in, NFL, history.
yep... Luck and Manning on the same team
@@leogetz3570 An absolutely bizarre combination.
I miss the Houston Oilers and the Baltimore Colts.
Work so well Jeff Fisher did that in 2016. In the game vs Giants at Wembley Rams QB Case Keenum threw 3 INT and he still put Keenum in the game
nah. nfl suing xfl for the roughnecks because the roughnecks logos being vaguely similar to oilers and patriots logos is the most ridiculous oilers controversy.
@Malus by that logic spring league should have been sued for the linemen logo.
Man wearing a hat.
Swoosh style.
Squared jaw.
Poor Giff. Never knew he was an ex-QB. Fortunately, he was able to be liked in Houston as he was the Sports Director for KHOU from 1984-2009.
At, least, he, was, still, available, for, the, Rockets', Mini-Dynasty.
He was a fantastic college QB at BYU. Wilson, McMahon, Young and Boscoe followed after. Then a bit of a drought before Detmer came along lol.
@@JedForge A bizarre National Championship.
Jack Tatum ( who along with Kenny Stabler and Dave Casper, went to Houston after the 79 season) said this
"He took Bum's winning team and put them in the toilet." Basically the same team,no free agency back then. He also said of Bum Phillips
" Sometimes human nature will let us dog it once in a while, but for a man like Bum Phillips, I found myself trying a little harder." Eddie Biles lied to Tatum too, saying he couldn't start him because of his physical style, when he was actually contractually obligated to start Mike Renfro. Known for being full of BS. Even as a Raider fan, I miss the old Houston Oilers and still like the Tennessee Titans.
What can be said, Wikipedia is generous towards the guy.
Did you mean Mike Reinfeldt instead of Renfrow? Tatum was a safety along with Reinfeldt, Renfroe played WR.
Biles was the guy who decoded Dan Fouts in the film room, contributing to the '79 upset over the Chargers in the playoffs.
Bud Adam’s was one of the looniest owners of all time. The Houston Oilers are truly a modern day tragedy in sports
Houstonians, totally, didn't mind, losing, the team, seeing his departure.
That wasn’t because of the team, that was them saying FU to him personally.
@@chrisp679 Precisely, hate, overrode, everything.
Houston Texans 2021 Organization ; "Hold my beer..."
@@damonpolk4394 Happy, for, existence, period.
Some details on 1982, many of the Oilers had jumped ship to play for Bum in New Orleans. Leon Gray was unsigned and would not play for Houston thus the trade to New Orleans. There was a ton turnover from last Houston playoff team. While this video spends a lot of time questioning anything Ed Biles did, remember Houston had an offensive coordinator, the whole reason Ed Biles was coach. How much of the quarterback controversy was due to Shofner? In the end they would go through several quarterbacks including Oliver Luck who's son later would be pretty damn good qb, however he was not. This of course would lead to Warren Moon in a couple of years. Ed Biles was not a good Head Coach, but he was not the worst. I would have to give it to Sid Gillman, especially since he signed off on the Kenny Houston trade to Washington for a bunch of nobodies(not totally true, Mack Alston was a decent TE but hardly worth a Hall of Famer). In '72 Coach Peterson led the team to a 1-13 record, but the team had a fairly good defense. In 73 under Gillman, the team also went 1-13 and were light years worse.
Archie was the best losing qb of the 70s, the Saints were not like the Sean Payton Saints team. But by God I'd take Bum's bumbling Saints over the Oilers in 83
6:43 for our favorite catchphrase phrase...and you know it's coming
I miss the oilers
To be fair, Leon Gray was washed up and Houston knew it and tried to let him go for anything before the rest of the league got wise. Those great Oiler teams got old just like the Steelers did. Those 2 teams really beat the crap out of each other.
They really did, even when Pittsburgh was division champs and Houston was 1-13, their games were a war with Bradshaw once even almost getting into a fight with Elven Bethea which would not have gone well for him.
I live in Tennessee and events like these is why the Titans are in Tennessee and the fans in Houston got sick of the Oilers and stopped supporting them allowing Bud Adams the excuse to move to Nashville. Bud Adams deserves to be in the HOF because with his money along with Lamar Hunt kept some of the other AFL teams afloat until the league grew and the other teams got on their feet and without Adams and Hunt the AFL would have died after 2 or 3 years and there may have never been the Raiders Chiefs Jets Dolphins Bills Patriots Broncos and Chargers and Bengals and Oilers who have all have had great moments in NFL history. Bud Adams may have known about Business but not about hiring coaches. Ed Biles is in along list of bad Oiler coaches like Sammy Baugh and Hugh Taylor who never had playbooks and Bill Peterson who actually told his players during the National Anthem stand on your helmets and put the sidelines under your arms.
I've always found the history of the AFL Interesting. Probrably more so than the NFL. Lamar Hunt started the AFL but Bud Adams was also instrumental in helping it to get on it's feet, so to speak. Two oil men from Texas. Houston and Dallas.
Biles looks a little like Gerry Glandville oddly enough.
Love Ya Blue! Bum was the greatest coach in Houston Oiler History! Should not have been fired. He took them to two AFC Championship games. Oilers never made it back.
1980s NFL was a completely different game. I remember this time period as of course you couldn't because you are too young. Does the name Don Shula ring a bell? Well he was using 2 quarterbacks, and doing very well in the early 80s. Matter of fact 2 division titles, and went to the Superbowl in 1982.
Schottenheimer seemed to lose his mind in the playoffs. He took the ball out of Tomlinson‘s hands in crunch time, the team was pretty stacked but he couldn’t get them to take the next step. Par for the course in schottenheimer’s career. Excellent coach who couldn’t seal the deal. I’m a bears fan living in San Diego, but I don’t recall a huge controversy around his firing, my friends who are/were chargers fans before they left, generally agreed with the decision.
this can be placed at the feet of bud adams who had a history of hiring lousy coaches
Ed Biles died in 2020. RIP Ed
Jack Lambert was all over him on each play. Crazy for a MLB, not DE being first to QB every play
Tidbit. The 3rd string QB was Oliver Luck, Andrew's dad
Him exhaling his plan to ay two wbs this game and neither qb knew about that plan had me cracking up coach made himself look silly
The Bum Phillips firing never made sense to me. And bad coaches are just bad.
1:43
Your atrocious wording reminds me of that Simpson's bit. "Don't do what Donny Don't does."
Bum said that they were going to "kick it in!" If you say that and you don't deliver there will be consequences.
He won his job in the pre-season so he's got the job all year. It's a good thing the Steelers stuck with Jefferson Street Joe Gilliam in 1974
Ah, yes. Being an Oilers fan had some amazingly stupid moments. Good times. 😂😂😂
This is a JG9 first, since this is the first time that the background on the thumbnail used was only one color.
I’ve done it a few times before, but rarely. Did it with the Chargers video where they fired their OC after one game
This coach is genius so genius he has me laughing 😃
3-21? Sounds like players quit.
What I would do if I was a coach I would say that we came back after strike and Neilson is rusty. Well see Thursday if hes ready before I make the decision
Do a video on the Oilers leaving Houston for Tennessee
Don't forget about the other backup QB... Oliver Luck. Manning and Luck on the same team, whose kids would go on to be drafted by the same team
'ok, ok..ok'...' leo getz things done.
No black screen at 10:45?
I was an 11 year old Saints fan at this time. Except for a 7-9 and 8-8 season I never had much to root for. After the 8-8 season, the next year was really thought to be finally the year the Saints would break through! We gonna have a winning record and finally might make the Playoffs. Our defense wasn’t very good, but our offense led by Archie Manning with support from Wes Chandler, Chuck Muncie, and Tony Galbreth was something else!
That year came, and out came the paper bags. 1-15! Chuck Muncie gone.
We hire Bum Phillips. 1st pick of the draft we take George Rodgers, what if we would have taken Lawrence Taylor instead? 1st pick of the 2nd round we take my All-time favorite New Orleans Saints defensive player Rickey Jackson! Forget about Pat Swilling who came along a little later, think about what kind of killer outside linebacker combo the Saints could of had with Taylor and Jackson. As a long suffering Saints fan, it’s a great what ifs!
First Bum Phillips year, 4-12. Which was a vast improvement. George Rodgers had over 1600 yards rushing, Bum had to get his Earl clone. Disappointing for me was he traded away Wes Chandler and Tony Galbreath. But, I kind of liked this vastly improved defense.
The Strike Year! We sign washed up Kenny Stabler. I loved the guy. One of the most original characters that’s ever played in the NFL and after years of being long overdue finally got elected to the Hall of Fame for the Great Quarterback he was with the Oakland Raiders. Things changed when he got to the Oilers. And I didn’t want him on my Saints! My quarterback was Archie Manning!
Broke my heart when I got home from school and my dad told me Bum traded Archie to Houston for Leon Grey, who I might add made most of his Pro Bowls with New England and not Houston and aside from Stabler had already seen his better days.
But was a sign of things to come. Bum replaced George Rodgers with washed up Earl……………
But, the one thing I will say. Bum Phillips does not get enough credit for building the Linebacking Corp, that became known as the Dome Patrol. He screwed up the Saints in a lot of ways, but he did do that.
The real crime are those pants, coach
The Seattle Seahawks must feel even dumber, they were the only team that lost to the Oilers that year.
Firing Bum was the dumbest thing Bud ever did and Bud did a lot.
Why did they move out of Houston again?
Couldn't get a stadium. Everyone blames Bud Adams but he was leasing the Astrodome from Astros owner Drayton McLane who was nickel and diming him and who got all the profits from Oilers merch sold in the Dome. Bud was almost successful in getting a stadium until Drayton started a campaign against him that painted him as a greedy villain.
The Oilers broke off Bum Phillips for THIS?! I see why they sucked until a few years after the won the bidding war for Edmonton legend Warren Moon.
Too, bad, they forgot to give him, some, defense, and, a, running game, to bleed the clock, late, OTOH, he forgot to be a decent human being, so, the entire thing, was, a wash, really, bizarre.
@@matthewdaley746 sociopath with a race barrier legacy
@@teen_laqueefa Disgusting person all around.
I don't remember Jack Tatum being traded to the Oilers he must have been traded with Dave Casper to get Kenny Stabler.
Actually was traded for Kenny King.
@@CTubeMan OK got it.
I remember this game. The Steelers won 24-10, I don't however remember this situation.
How long does it take you to make videos? Do you just have a bunch ready to go for a slow news day or are you legit making a brand new video every single day
Legit new videos every day. It’s a one man operation. There might be some days where I’ll write two or three scripts and spread the process out/work on multiple videos at once, but there’s never a day where I’m not working. Put in a solid 11-12 hours a day researching, writing, recording, editing, and taking care of everything else
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 sweet, hardest working man on youtube!
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 I respect the work rate. Thanks for the videos!
Most emotion I've heard from ya and it was kinna funny. Sounded like me about some of my Cowboys moves thru the years🤣🤣🤣
Danpastorini was the oilers qb in my day and did he take a beaten especially with that front four the Steelers had that whole first squab for the Steelers defense was crazy
Bill Peterson was glad Ed Biles came along.
How and why would u fire Bum to get this Bumpkin?
I might have liked this clip if I could have heard it.
Anyone else with audio problems?
Makes me wonder how John Elway would have fared if Houston had the #1 pick in 1983 and Ed Biles was still coach (unlikely, but still)...
Minus, Terrell Davis, he, wins, nothing, completely undisputed, blood simple.
Probably would have threatened to play for the Yankees if he wasn't traded to the Broncos.
(Just a hunch...)
@@ericfitzgerald9214 He contained dubious leverage.
Bill Peterson was the worst Oilers coach in franchise history.
Where was warren moon?
He was in the CFL until 1983
I hate the Dallas Cowboys but the Dallas Cowboys did Tom Landry dirty, real dirty, especially after all of the success that Tom Landry brought to the team
Live NFL TRIVIA EVERY Wednesday night on TWITCH!!!! Test your football KNOWLEDGE and win CASH PRIZES!!!!!!! Well CONSIDERING that the Houston Oilers will ALWAYS BE BELOW a 39.6 and should SPIKE the football into the ground on EVERY single OFFENSIVE play THIS doesn't SURPRISE me at ALL.
Titans fan here! Do you all still root for the titans down in Huston or did you become texans fans?
Wayne Fontes ...Am I joke to you?
Nielsen wasn’t big on throwing a spinning a spinning football. His spin but end over end
poor arch was near the end playing for yet another losing team as he missed the playoffs once again never seeing a playoff game. and gifford neilson was another of the lavell edwards productive byu qb's of the '70's-'80s that didn't translate to nfl success. and bud adams still SUCKS. ' were the houston oilers, houston oilers. houston oilers no. one'.
Really would have liked to have seen Archie Manning on a team that was halfway decent. I think it would have been interesting to see him on the raiders cowboys ect of that era. Totally wasted talent
Luv ya blue oliers
I'm old enough to remember those days. Watching Earl Campbell run guys over was awesome
When and who did Jack Tatum get Traded to the Oilers for? This totally slipped my mind.
maybe he was part of the stabler/pastorini trade?
@@stevenbauer4799 That's possible but was Tatum on that Gifford Nelson/Archie Manning team?And when did Dave Casper become part of that deal I'm still somewhat confused?
@@karlcooper7016strange neither 12 or 7 is on that roster. stabler must be on saints by this time. pastorini retired i guess?
@@stevenbauer4799 Yep you are right it's all coming back to me when you pointed out that Stabler was in New Orleans at that time he left and followed Bum Philips on his way out pastorini was a Raider.
@@karlcooper7016 earl campbell who had nothing left by then followed bum to n o as well.
Ed Biles=Adam Gase
Biles proved himself a bigger idiot in the draft the next season. First they traded the #2 overall pick to Seattle(who subsequently traded the pick to the Rams who drafted Eric Dickerson) but then took offensive tackle Bruce Matthews with their pick and while Matthews was a hall of famer, they still could have drafted Jim Kelly which IIRC was talked about. However, they did get Warren Moon the following season and the rest is history.
Yeah, and, Warren Moon proved to be a completely, upstanding, citizen, who, led, the, Oilers, to, many, SBs, oh, wait.
@@matthewdaley746 Moon doesn't play defense last I looked and Kelly went down in history to be the first QB to lose 4 Super Bowls let alone 4 straight. At least Moon won championships. Maybe not Super Bowls but 4 straight Grey Cups.
@@Rockhound6165 It, was, five, Grey Cups, and, his competition, wasn't, good, enough to make the, NFL, so, his advantage, was, laughable, as, for, not, playing defense, that's immaterial, far, worse, QBs, than, him, have, reached, the, SB, and, it's far harder to excuse the fact that he, apparently, forgot to hand the ball, off, to, a, RB, but, the, NFL, conveniently forgets a lot of things about him, simple as that.
moon. the master of not leading his team to s#it. threw a nice pass, fancy stats guy. earlier phillp rivers.
@stevenbauer4799 Philip Rivers had a soul, he, wasn't, fully protected by the media, because, the, NFL, gave him, "A, Hard, Time."
Bum Phillips was Winner!
12:50... OK, calm down! Don't get excited. It's only a game! 😁
I do Remember Gifford Neilson he was a bum.
Que?
One day its gonna come out... that Bradshaw threw 3 games that year in 1982 for money to a certain popular Bookie.. 9-10 to Cleveland and both shutout losses to Seattle and Buffalo.
Other than those games the Steelers were dominating that year offense and defense... so I guess he felt he could throw a couple or a few for some extra bucks or something.
There has been some noise made it about it recently.. but nothing that that has caught fire yet.
Not, sure about that, but, "The, Strike," meant, that his demise, (which, actually, began, in, 1980), never, got the chance to be revealed, and, he stole, one, last, paycheck, played, one, last, Game, and, the Steelers would, lose, Dan Marino.
I have not heard about that... holy cow.
@@stevenzimmerman4057 Many horrors got buried.
Houston Oilers Forever
Like the 94 oilers
You sound just like FlightMike! :)
Vile Ed Biles.