The LAZIEST BROADCASTING DECISION in NFL on CBS HISTORY | Packers @ Bears (1987)
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- In week 12 of the 1987 NFL season between the Chicago Bears and the Green Bay Packers, a bunch of people naturally thought that the CBS Indianapolis affiliate, WISH, would televise the game on CBS, since it was an important game, and since the Bears had a strong presence in the city. Instead, CBS decided to do something completely different. And the reason for not showing the Bears game? They were too lazy to do it. This is the story behind the lazy decision that, somehow, worked out in the end
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I would like to know if Diane got a raise after this.
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The Blackout rule was completely irrelevant and pointless pretty much from the AFL merger on. Nobody that owned a franchise in the NFL was ever going to be in danger of losing their shirt by that point. This was an archaic rule formulated during television’s infancy and it’s stupid it took until recently for it to finally go away.
Didn't the American Football League have no TV blackouts, meaning that if you lived in a city with an AFL team, you got all of that team's telecasts, home and away (it's my understanding that not every AFL game was televised by a network)?
The premier league in the UK has some archaic blackout rules for the 3 pm games 10 am et. games are forbidden from being televised within the UK.
You have to wonder if that station manager had interrupted her "vacation" to come in to make switches, she would have had to deal with a ton of unintended consequences from her family. Some families, especially back then were very rigid about such things (especially if you had patriarchs/matriarchs who expected things to be a certain way and only that way) and that is not something you can easily admit to.
Otherwise, such station manager should have been fired unless she could show a good reason for not coming in to make the switch, even if it inconveniences others.
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Two click the card requests in 15 seconds.
That has to be a channel record.
I know people were saying to you, “I wish you would show more broadcasting controversies.” You took it either literally or to the next level.
Apparently, WISH is only call letters of a TV station.
If only he had a channel for it, like he would go on to debut in February, Jaguar Gator 8, for College Football.
Hey cut the dude some slack. I haven’t been around long and I haven’t actually researched who this guy is - but is an amazing host to these videos and I’ve watched a bunch of them in a row - even if I just listen to them.
Now excuse me, I need to spike the ball on the ground in every single play.
@@forestgeorge8855 welcome aboard
I zoned out, I have no idea what the controversy was.
Any Bears super fan had to be upset. Not seeing Walter Payton play against Green Bay for the final time.
12:47 Even you made time to mock Lightyear; nice 😊👍!
WISH-TV is no longer a CBS affiliate.
The CBS affiliate is now WTTV.
...WTTV 4/WTTK 29
...and for one day, Indianapolis got treated like a New York City Suburb, at least in the NFL realm...
If that had been the year before that would have been great for Indianapolis.
That drive me to mow lawns until I almost got heat exhaustion for a big satellite dish. NY played one NY team at 1:00 and one at 4:00. So you rarely saw other NFL teams on a Sunday
@@fjr70 for many many years... unless one team was on a bye or primetime.
This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about the Packers game the week before. Even though it was against the Chiefs it proved to be an extension of the Packers-Bears rivalry.
The NFL blackout rules stink!
Mike Prior #39 . Marian Catholic S.
To quote Christopher Robin, "Doing nothing often leads to the very best of something"
1987 was... interesting, to say the least. The Bears v Seahawks game that year was wild... Then, two weeks later, Fredd Young and the team were screwed over in the Wildcard vs the Oilers, by a horrible ref call that had far too much impact upon the game. Kenny Easley's retirement coming up... A bittersweet year
It worked out well for those in Indy for those who didn't follow the Bears, but it wasn't good for those who were still crazy about the Bears. I would think that the Bears fans in Central Indiana would've wanted to see their team instead of those 2 games that aired there that day.
Great video, highlights, and story-telling. Yes, ultimately, it did all work out in the end...but definitely a "lazy" broadcast decision, for sure.
In what year was Jim McMahon body slammed by a Packers player?
1986
I have another video suggestion for you in regards to Indianapolis. Talk about the traffic controversy with the Crossroads Classic and the Colts-Patriots game this pass season. For more questions message me as I experienced this first hand.
Bears related videos are always good
The Bears beating the Packers is always better than any other game
I missed Artificial Turf Sodier Field
The fact Walter Payton would play his entire career, essentially, running on concrete, yet, still would, only, miss, one, Game, somehow, just makes his legendary career all the, more, impressive.
@@matthewdaley746 Thats why Payton was one of the greatest RB in the 80s
@@RetroJR3379 Predictable, yet, completely, unstoppable.
I miss AstroTurf stadiums in general. To me, as a viewer (via television) and listener (via radio), it just seemed to make the games better.
Natural grass fields are, in my opinion, bad for a number of reasons, not the least of which is having to account for weather conditions. However, this whole idea of "FieldTurf" in recent years is, quite simply, the worst of the worst, among other reasons, the fact that that type of surface contains tire grounds, which are kicked up in divots when the players are running. Additionally, that type of surface seems to be an effort of accommodating proponents of both AstroTurf and natural grass, only by making a cheap compromise.
Admittedly, I'm aware of the safety concerns attributed to AstroTurf. If the manufacturers, stadium managers and football and baseball programs (including the players, since they are the principal stakeholders in this discussion) would get together in good faith and come up with a surface which has the look and style of AstroTurf without those alleged safety issues, then we might have a bona-fide solution to the question of playing surface. Until then, however, I would return to AstroTurf and have players wear extra padding like they did in the '70's and '80's.
@@thomash.schwed3662 There's no ideal solution.
JG9 also did a video on the tie game Green Bay played against the Broncos
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@@mkepioneet Wanna break the champagne bottle on the building? Actually, we just spike the bottle into the ground near the building.
@@mkepioneet legit lol.
@@CTubeMan I thought it was a 40ozer with .4oz of it already poured out?
Maybe it's just me, but why do you keep referring to the affiliate station as: "CBS"?
He said 'WISH' several times.
@6:47 Why didn't Bob Nelson just lurch at the QB?
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As a Bears fan who lives in Indiana, I can honestly say this does not surprise me whatsoever. In fact, the only way this could be less surprising is if this happened during the Jim Irsay era of the Colts
Now Indianapolis had Bengals And Jets game Since the Colts Were blacked out and CBS Station aired the 4:00 between the Washington and NY Giants!
WCBS-TV in NYC ran the Giants and Redskins game without making a mistake, while other CBS affiliates decided to air whatever they want.
Sometimes, I just feel like jobs that require you to work holidays or 365 days should only be fulfilled by people who don't need to celebrate holidays with their families. If you know you to take off those types of days then don't both taking these types of jobs. I really think that lady should've been fired for her laziness and attitude.
Firing a woman, without, cause, wasn't, worth the, totally, severe, PR, disaster, even in, the, 1980s, really, simple as that.
I work one of those jobs and they usually rotate holidays so everyone gets time of so that's not the issue. She may have had someone appointed to make the decision whose fault it would be.
@@paulharrington9859 OT, but, this situation reminds me of when New Jersey got buried by a blizzard, and, Jabba, The, Governor, went on national, tv, and, said, he, was, staying away, because, he promised his kids a trip to, Walt Disney World, they're rapidly becoming, "The, Louisiana, Of, The, North," no question.
@@matthewdaley746 first off, not from NJ so I don't know the details, but if he was already on vacation it would be dangerous to fly in during or immediately after a large snow storm. I say snow storm because you mention snowfall but nothing about wind and blizzards are caused by high winds blowing snow, not snowfall amount. (I'm from the upper Midwest, there's a huge difference)
@@paulharrington9859 It's, not, what he said, it's, how, he said it, there, was, a complete lack of, tact, he, essentially, just said, "I care about you, but, not, that much," plus, he, was, already, unpopular, for, numerous, things, (that I won't repeat), he, truly, should have, at least, feigned concern, instead, of teling his constituents that he had, other, plans, and, that they, were, on their own, perception, truly, counts, for, a lot.
The networks should refuse to show Packers/Bears games from now on. This channel had the right idea. Those games simply aren't fun to watch since that series has become so one sided and predictable.
It's, like, Cubs/Cardinals, it's a, "rivalry," In Name Only, there's, never, a time when, both, teams, are, good, blood simple.
@@matthewdaley746 It's pretty rare on both sides. Bears and Packers had 2010 where they met in the NFC Title Game but that's pretty much it for them. The Cubs and Cardinals were both great in 2015 where they met in the divisional round but that was their only meeting in the playoffs.
@@coreyrowe4119 Absolutely, familiarity breeds ignominy.
@@matthewdaley746 sadly I'm a Bears fan who'll be skipping both Packers/Bears games this year, I've just grown sick and tired of subjecting myself to 3 hours of torture 2 times a year when I already know ahead of time how the game is gonna end.
@@coreyrowe4119 The, season's, also, predictable.
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There was one time about 5 or 6 years ago I remember a local Patriots game on WGME in Maine actually didn't switch over correctly at the start and they missed 2 and a half minutes of coverage due to an overtime earlier game and we never got updated on what the heck happened. I was about 20 or 21 at the time and remember being so confused that I literally started screaming "wtf" to my dad while he was laughing it off. Jim Nantz never understood an affiliate accidentally switched late!
I lived in Indy and as a kid ALWAYS wondered why we didn't get this game! Thanks for this!!!!
In the video about what NBC did in Detroit in 1982 you speculated that the Motor City didn’t get a game from the Peacock network because the decision makers from NBC were still hungover from New Year’s (the day in question was January 2, 1983). As the video was going I thought that since this was Thanksgiving weekend maybe the station manager made this (lack of) decision due to a tryptophan coma. But it seemed like she got a head start on lazing out.
January 2 1983 was 9 years before I was born
Broncos-Chargers was terrible? Not for me. GO BRONCOS!!!
The amount of ads on your channel is despicable
I used to work at a call center, so I can imagine fielding complaints from angry football fans and having to defend a decision I personally thought was utter bullshit.
And she lucked out by having those games turn out the way they did.
Great storytelling and another awesome story!
She, also, lucked out by being able to flash, the, "firing a woman's, totally, sexist," card back at the network, had this gone, wrong, given the dearth of women in those positions, they, were, practically, bulletproof.
@@matthewdaley746 Knowing women she was probably angry that the games turned out so well and people weren't miserable like she wanted.
@@DolFan316 Probably, also, demanded, credit.
@@matthewdaley746 who hurt you
@@Buttington_Headerson Nobody, stop terrible harassment.
“The bears were really good” just seems wrong to hear out loud nowadays
The part about blacking out a home game on the home city affiliate of the network televising it made sense in trying to motivate ticket sales. But I never got why the blackout protocol included the other Sunday afternoon network. In this case, CBS, the NFC's network at the time, had the doubleheader rights for that particular Sunday. WISH, the Indianapolis CBS affiliate, wasn't going to be able to air the Oilers-Colts game, sold out or not, because NBC had it. Whether that game was sold out 72 hours before kickoff or not should have had no bearing on WISH being able to air two CBS, that is NFC, games that Sunday. They should have been able to show the Packers-Bears game AND the Redskins-Giants game.
Another head-scratching aspect to the NFL blackout protocol was when the game sold out for a doubleader Sunday for the televising network, that network could only air that game, That made no sense at all.
That network belongs TO THE STREETS!
"Might gross more than Light Year"🤣...Nice.
I learn about that rule in 1993 with the Chargers just like San Diego couldnt see 49ers/Cowboys so we could see the Chargers lose to the Chiefs
On Saturday December 10th 1977, both KIRO TV and KING TV in Seattle did not air the 2 nationally televized NFL games that day. Pittsburgh at Cincinnati was the early game and Washington at St.Louis was the late game. Both were close games with major playoff implications yet neither station air their game despite being Saturday nationally televised games with no blackout restrictions. I was a teen living in Seattle at the time and to this day I've gotten no explanation as to why these games were not aired.
By any chance was there a high school championship game or something? Here in Virginia the law used to be they couldn't show NFL games when there was a HS game. The idea being people would stay home and watch the NFL and hurt ticket sales. Nevermind the people who cared about those high schools would probably go anyway. I only remember it being an issue maybe once or twice in the late 70s/early 80s but it makes me mad to this day.
Neither the TV networks nor the NFL are known for being intelligent.
@@davidlafleche1142 Not really the networks though (in this case), as the affiliates are often out of control. Hell now that JG has a baseball channel, I'm sure he'd have fun with what led up to the CBS/ABC affiliate (Spokane) swap in 1976 that definitely impacted just about everything across the board, and since it was the premiere season of ABC Monday Night Baseball in which KREM, the ABC affiliate pre-switch aired, you guessed it, almost no games. Oh and of course the flip was on August 9, a Monday, right after Olympics. So guess what debuted on KXLY, the new ABC affiliate? Monday Night Baseball
@@mgb4692 Even worse: CBS picked up MLB in 1993 and did a terrible job of it. NBC was, by far, the best network for baseball. The Saturday Game of the Week always had something. But CBS would often skip baseball in favor of (ugh) golf!
Devil's Advocating here: by keeping the late game, the station wouldn't have to have an early-evening local newscast, giving that news crew a little holiday of their own. If they had switched, not only would they have needed those people to come in after they may have already made Thanksgiving weekend plans, the same set of people at NBC would suddenly get the day off instead. Given those circumstances, for employees at least, no decision was the best decision.
Counterargument, if you bet everything you have on roulette, and, don't, lose, everything, it, was, still a, totally, stupid thing to do, bad ideas, don't, become, good ideas, because, of serendipity, period.
I'll make a similar defense. JB9 talked about how the decisions impact the people who work for the station. I've never worked in broadcasting, but I've had plenty of jobs whose needs changed at the last minute. No one at this station had to change their plans.
@@JayTemple Greater, luck, over, design.
Really enjoy your videos on NFL broadcasting controversies from the past.
You would freak out if you ever saw the structure for Australian Sports broadcasting.
We had the Rugby League match of the round every week condensed to a 42 minutes broadcast of a game that went for 80 minutes for 5 years.
And that’s just one stupid thing.
The Bears did a horrible job of capitalizing on their '85 success. From '86-91 the 49ers, Giants and *Redskins* won two titles, while the Bears were just 2-4 in the postseason, only able to beat teams coached by Buddy Ryan and Jim Mora who literally never won playoff games anyway. And then they collapsed into Wannyism...
Not, to mention, that in the, first, of those, they, were, only rescued by a fog bank, and, they, were, decisively defeated in freezing weather by a team from California, really, sad.
You’re right, as an NFL head coach Mora never won a game in the PLAYOFFS!
@@CTubeMan Mike Ditka's final victory.
Thank God I'm a Seahawks Fan
I can't stand the Bears and Packers
Perfect way to start the holiday weekend
74-55-6 Bears ( 23-10 Chicago )
I grew up watching WISH-TV!
If I was going on vacation I would tell them to either call me or leave it to my assistant
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Got a really odd one that caused a twitter firestorm for JG8 involves a FCS HBCU game running WAY long taking away the first half of the WNBA finals on espn and rather amusing clash between overlapping fanbases who felt disrespected for many years
More, like, unsatisfyable, they think that the problems that apply to broadcasting, somehow, don't apply to them, really, truly, pathetic.
@@matthewdaley746 I love it when far leftists eat their own. They have so many contradictory agendas now that I'm amazed it doesn't happen more often.
@@DolFan316 An absolutely unsurprising circumstance.
The blackout rule was so insane. People who lived hundreds of miles from the stadiums couldn't watch the games because otherwise they'd drive 3 hours to spend a week's wages to see it in person.
Blackout rule was for a 75-mile radius. Baseball is ridiculous, where games are blacked out in Hawaii
I'm in Columbus, just outside of the Cincinnati radius. We've always gotten three Sunday afternoon games.
I guess the station manager's vacation was the equivalent of...
* FAMILY GUY CLIP ALERT *
cutting a huge fart in the middle of a crowded room, and then walking out of said room.
Well I Lived In The Quad Cities And We Have Four Channels Here KLJB A Fox Station WQAD A ABC Station KWQC A NBC Station And WHBF A CBS Station And Of Course WQPT A PBS Station And The Quad Cities Is West Of Chicago So It's A Secondary Market For The Bears
Still a strong Bears fan base here in Indy. Fox 59 still shows a lot of Bears games, when scheduling allows it
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Glad, flexibility, appears, now.
@@stevenbauer4799 OT, but, he ruined, Lethal Weapon, the, only, great film in the series is the original, which, not, coincidentally, is the, only, one, with, neither, him, nor, the horrifically, out-of-place, comedic elements.
@@stevenbauer4799 there you are!!! I'd quote your lines from Scarface, but I cant remember any... lol
@@matthewdaley746 oh yeah, it's a whole lot easier getting your games today than it was way back in the day