As much I hate social media today, I’m sometimes glad it exists because incidents like this were either swept under the rug or quickly forgotten about back in those days.
The team creed in a nutshell: Have emotional problems? Raiders not paying attention to you? Come play for Cincinnati, where being a broken person is showcased and exploited by the team.
The race riots had broken out earlier that summer, and I'm not sure if that had anything to do with ownership not being more disciplinary minded toward the players with legal issues
I’m a Packers fan first and foremost, but when any team makes it to a Super Bowl that's never won one (Detroit not included in that sentiment), I always root for the underdog, unless of course they were to be playing Green Bay. Then it’s a different story. LOL
@@johnny__topside 1 season doesn't a career make. Just like all Cardinal kickers since Jim Bakken retired they have their moments but for the most part they're mediocre. From Catanzaro and O'Donahue missing FG's a one legged man could make to Zane Gonzalez being flat out awful to Bill Gramatica blowing his knee out over celebrating a basic field goal to the terrible fill ins like Eric Schubert, Jim Gallery, Joe Nedney, Novo Bojovic to John Lee who couldn't kick off the ground to 1st rounder Steve Little who plain couldn't kick. Funny that the only Cardinal kickers worth their salt were all here at the end of their careers like Greg Davis, Kevin Butler, Chris Jacke, Jay Feely. Even Matt Prater isn't a spring chicken. They just can't get a consistent kicker.
Neil Rackers became a great kicker in Arizona. I don't know what happened, but he literally went from being trash with the Bengals to one of the best kickers in the NFL in Arizona.
I wasn't even aware of the Bengals pulling this stunt. That's beyond classless. WLWT 5 was just doing its job and the Bengals had no business treating the NBC affiliate's reporter like that. The Bengals' players should've had that energy for Tremaine Mack given that he didn't know how to pick a designated driver and put so many people's lives in danger.
@@nicoleknight9412 WLWT is indeed Greater Cincinnati's NBC affiliate and is the only primary NBC affiliate that DMA has ever known. WKRC has been Greater Cincinnati's CBS affiliate since 1996 (2nd stint).
The lack of appeal of this gsme showed since in Week 12 of 2000 the league assigned 7 games with the AFC team as the visitor to Sunday afternoon. Thus CBS had 7 games that day, meaning that the meh (or worse)ness of this game reflected in the broadcast booth. Craig Bolerjack and Charles Mann were assigned this game. Those two worked all of 3 games as a pair that season, getting one only if CBS had 7 or more games. Charles Mann worked 5 other games that season for CBS with Bill McAtee, which also only happened when CBS had 7 or more games on a particular Sunday. Bolerjack never cracked the top 6 in CBS's NFL top 6 pecking order. McAtee ended up as CBS's #6 play-by-play man in 2010, paired with Rich Gannon, then in 2011 paired with Steve Tasker,. which lasted through the 2013 season.
I believe this game was seen in only seven cities, maybe as many as nine cities. It was broadcast in Boston, Cincinnati, Dayton, Providence, Hartford, Portland and Bangor, Maine. It might also have been shown in Louisville, Kentucky and/or in Burlington, Vermont.
On point. The "circle the wagons" mentality shown there, in spite of what's right or wrong, is infuriating. If anyone deserved the ire of the players, it was Mack.
Man,I didn't know about t his and I watched and football pretty good back then.Thats shameful & disgusting. You can stand up for a friend or player but you shouldn't attack someone or just gloss over gross, negligent behavior,what?!If someone would've gotten hurt or killed they still would've been like that?!That's MISPLACED,BLIND LOYALTY! Horrible and says a lot about the other players as well.I can't stand that crap and call it out whenever I see it.Thanx for bringing that to light.I appreciate you and your channel and content.All the best
Living near Cincinnati, made it hard to watch football in 90s and early 2000s. Half the time Bengals were blacked out, meaning usually no 1pm game on either station. Road games meant that was the only game on at 1pm sometimes. I could be wrong at the rules but I remember points where it felt like I wasn't watching any football. So you were hoping a good 4pm game and a good Sunday night game just to make it worthwhile.
Definitely remember the blackout era lol was most of my childhood. Grew up listening to Dave lap on the radio a lot! From what I remember we usually got a 1pm game but it was the browns and those games was just as horrible to watch. When the browns left the league we got infomercials and a garbage nfc match up on Fox. Very tough time to be a fan but those are the fans I respect the most. Also remember watching sports of all sorts to see highlights late night Sunday... SMH
Why not just go to nearby Indianapolis like I did and start watching the Iconic Peyton Manning era. You Bengals Fans are beyond stupid. Zero Super Bowls and counting. At least the Colts won a Super Bowl.
Fun fact: the '00 Bengals set a franchise record for fewest points scored which has lasted to this day. So yeah, even by Bengals standards this team was awful!
I was in the airport, young/ alot shorter than Broo and he was rushing and looking backward and plowed right into me and then acted nasty towards me... Vogel on the other hand does come across as you describe. And WLWT is a preferred local channel (also like WCPO). While no news outlet is perfect, currently WLWT feels more balanced (not sure about this story in particular) in overall local news reporting. I especially like Kevin and his team on the local weather.
@@bengalsfandom623 Kevin Robinson is my favorite weather guy, I used to like Tim Hedrick and was sad he passed. He came to my school in the 80s and was getting kids interested in meteorology and the technology being developed for it.
Is it me or do alot of ur videos seem to be describing week 11 of many seasons? I guess maybe just a coincidence of a few I've watched the past couple days lol
Two points here: The media has quite enough access to the players to where they really don't need to be in the locker room. The locker room needs to be for team personnel exclusively. Next, the NFL needs to regain control over its business, and have strong and strict player conduct policies which are a deterrent to criminal behavior and is understood and predictable. DUI should be a season long suspension with no pay and no credit toward time served under contract. Hit them in the pocketbook. My interest in the NFL has been dampened by the numerous off season arrests for violent behavior. Why there is not a stringent personal conduct policy to hold the players accountable is ridiculous. This behavior will destroy the NFL,if the league doesn't put it to a stop.
I live in Cincy, and it was sad to watch that team lose AND coddle criminals for over 30 years from the late 80s to here very recently. Even when they went to the Super Bowl in 1989 they had a guy get arrested that weekend for cocaine. The Marvin Lewis era was the worst with all those bums like Pacman and Burfict. Thankfully the squad has kept their noses clean for the last couple years and it looks like they are headed in the right direction.
Losing to the 2000 bellochick patriots is like losing to (inset any year) the lions. That alleged 'ready made dynasty' brady would 'luck into' in 10 months had win 2 games all year and people already wanted bellichick fired Edit: someone just pointed out you can see brady on the sideline on the 4:34 play
@@teen_laqueefa No joke, the Patriots had all of those seasons where they won ten Games, they usually, went, 5-1, inside of their Division, for, some reason, whenever, they played the Dolphins late in the year, especially, in Miami, they frequently lost.
@@matthewdaley746 Not to mention the ridiculous EIGHT STRAIGHT byes to the AFC title game from 2011-18 because the rest of the AFC was more determined to worship the Pats than try beating them.
@@DolFan316 Spot on, the only teams in the AFC that weren't scared to death of the, Patriots, were, the, Ravens, the, Broncos, and, to a lesser degree, the, Colts, meanwhile, the, Giants, were, tailor-made, to beat them, even if they had trouble making the Playoffs.
If a reporter is actually able to leave a locker room after an NFL player beats him up, that NFL player should retire immediately in shame. Just sayin'.
You'll, never, see him congratulating, a, QB, that, beats him, though, btw, Terry Glenn, was, Human Garbage, the next year was his last season, with, the Patriots, he quit on the team, barely, played, but got, a, Ring, anyway, he died, recently.
That entire team not only needed a rebuilt roster but also an attitude change because going in to the 21st century the Bengals were a dumpster fire waiting to explode at a moment’s notice.
The Bengals from 1992-2002 (they called it the lost decade were clueless, classless and spineless. Every TV station reported this but they went after Channel 5 because the station wouldnt suck up to them and not bury the story
Bengals always get involved in something in the locker rooms. Remember NFL Network airing an interview with Pacman Jones with players changing and heading to the showers in the background? Cincy can't catch a break lol.
Maybe if the media got out of the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s and stopped w/the creepy locker room interviews and recordings then this wouldn't be an issue (recording nude players). The pandemic proved this doesn't need to happen anymore so why can't the media move forward into a new era. Media acts like creepy people pinning players in the locker room w/no time limit - I've seen some where its like okay enough already... every channel has to ask the same or similar questions and that's "reporting"? They all should be banned from the locker room. Not relating to story, just a general statement for todays world.
He did get heated about it! This story is 22 years OLD! What does getting angry about something so old help? Is he trying to earn his 'Go Woke' membership card? Or perhaps he is trying to turn a nothing-burger of a story into something engaging? Sometimes its OK to not share your opinion! It simply doesn't matter here (unless you are a woke joke)!
Ah something forgotten about the Bungles era was how many times they got arrested. Also the station was filming Bengals practice before a New England game? Did... did they work for Belichek?
The Bengals converted me into a Colts Fan ironically 1998, the year they drafted Peyton Manning. Indianapolis is a much better football city than Cincinnati. Better stadium, better management, better training facility, and a Super Bowl to show for it.
I am sorry every time I see the team with orange with black stripes on the helmet t the word sleaze comes to mind and people like Sam Wyche Pac-Man Jones Lewis Billups Vontaze Burfict Stanley Wilson and Owner Mike Brown along with Tremain Mack all in the Hall Of Fame of sleaze.
Actually, in Mike Brown's worst transaction, ever, (which is truly saying something), he handed his best player to the Patriots, for, essentially nothing, thus, gifting, them, their, third, SB, luckily, that iteration of the Patriots quickly fell apart, for the next decade.
Man should be in the Hall of fame. Has the third highest rushing total ever in an NFL game, has well over 10,000 rushing yards, has a Super Bowl ring. Put that man in the Hall....
Hard to believe that the same Patriots lost to the Bengals the next year and then lost to the Jets that allowed Tom Brady to basically come in and rescue the Patriots season and essentially the franchise that they would become when he played there.
Harder to believe Tom Brady's played the Broncos four times in the Playoffs, and, lost three, they, were, the last team he got a winning record against, Mike Shanahan's bewilderingly great career record against the Patriots bought him several years.
If that happened today, the entire team would be cancelled. As in, their existence immediately ending. The rest of their opponents that season would be given a forfeit win, and the league would go with 31 teams until coming up with a new franchise, likely headed by a consortium of woke celebs. Every player on that team would be blackballed forever.
@@DolFan316I hear you. If anything, this forced the league to put something on paper. You think this was bad, though. I'm from New York. I met some of the original female firefighters who came on the FDNY in 1982. Some of them went through hell for their entire careers. Nobody in charge had a clue what to do for the longest time. Same with the NFL and female employees and sports reporters.
You gotta understand when you are a team and you are close you will do anything to protect your teammates especially if it is from getting in trouble with the law.
I don't really agree with the RUclipsr in this. The only thing that happened that was wrong was that they jumped on the wrong guy and he didn't deserve it. But yeah they were straight snitching. I doubt Mack was driving to practice drunk. He was driving to practice sober; so leave him alone it's not your business. The News Station had somebody straight snitch on him and then sent somebody who had nothing to do with it in the locker room to take the heat.
I'm not sure which is the bigger offense. Mack driving on a revoked license or the players being allowed to suit and call themselves NFL football players. The city of Cincinatti didn't deserve that.
Didn't WLWT carry Cincinnati Bengals preseason games at the time? If so, George Vogel might have been part of the on-air announcing team for those preseason games.
From 1990 on mike Brown ran it into the ground plus collecting a salary for being a general manager then extorted money from the citizens of cincy for a new stadium producing a half ass team that just won enough games to fill seats.
At least you guys have been to a Super Bowl this past season and won many division titles since 2005. Believe me it could be so much worse. You could be a Lions fan and we have 1 playoff win in 65 years and no division titles in almost 29 years.
Tremaine Mack is lucky he wasn't a long-term resident of Ohio,because he would have been sent to prison . I did time with a guy named Todd Manley in an Ohio state penitentiary ,who was the first Multiple DUI offender to be sent to prison in 2003 for 50+ DUI's .
i know uber/lyft didn't exist back then, but dude couldn't (or wouldn't) have someone he could just go "look, take my car to practice, wait for me to get out, then drive me home" and pay like $100 a day? i mean, sure, he's not making top money, but guy could easily afford the few grand it would cost to do that during the season, and certainly better than going to jail.
@@adambartel8037 Also, why didn't NFLPA (or equivalent) or Commissioner require rehab prior to being able to play? After repeated DUIs, why didn't judge require rehab or alcohol counseling?
I'm not people driving drunk either but I'm sure the man wasn't drunk driving to and from practice and WLWT had a chance to profit off the situation and they did and if I was a player that felt like I'd been betrayed by somebody to get me to ask me questions and I had to be nice to I tell him to get the fuck out too
We stick together, you against 1 you against all unless you beat your woman r kids. Like Fred Lane, we told him over n over again to not do it and unfortunately it ended tragically .
That’s the point of the channel. There’s a lot of stuff that gets forgotten because social media didn’t exist and several people were likely worked up about this at that time but it was more than likely those who lived in Cincinnati and followed the Bengals or the reporters at that station. A majority of NFL fans probably wouldn’t have known about this happening.
@@justinmaybach6388 again, its was over 20 plus years ago, and it isnt exactly big news then, or now. A guy had problems with drinking and driving and a news station turned him in and the team didnt welcome him in open arms after a loss. shocker.... not saying that drinking and driving isnt bad, but this isnt exactly something to be up in arms over 20 years later.
He literally makes videos about all the teams including his own and this happened so long ago that I would think most Bengals fans wouldn’t care to remember it at all with where the team is currently trending.
I doubt that he’s specifically targeting the Bengals cause he makes videos about negative stuff that’s happened with all teams and since his favorite team is from the AFC South I can’t imagine he hates Cincinnati all that much.
Alcohol is an addiction... had he buried the story as they do for white players these players wouldn't have throw him out. Your entire tone is that of the times the difference between crack and heroine was skin color. To you it was news, to them you were taking food off the table. How the players felt is dismissed again if you are building relationships you listen. "They said come in and act like nothing happen." They are well within their rights to kick him out." It is not a public place, it is a private space and the people of that private space wanted him to leave. Black men get kicked out of private spaces all the time. If he was just doing his job then to build proper relationships find out what you company is doing before you go into private spaces. No accountability the man served 60 days in jail. He served his time. Things would be different now then before..Babe Ruth Paul Vernon Hornung John Riggins would have been suspended ....The 5 o'clock club was real you never seen it in a news story.
So no real footage of the actual content. Just this dude talking and watching lame highlights. Do yourself a favor and skip this dudes videos where all we hear is this dudes voice and no real content. Boring and annoying
I wish I could dislike this video 400 times! The hyper emotionalism just wasnt necessary here! its a 22 yr old story. Just tell us the story without the heated debate. I have enjoyed most of your other videos (binging some today) but the hyper emotionalism didnt come across well for me. Here is an angle maybe it hasnt been considered. When a team is struggling so much, maybe something like this becomes a rallying point: Us vs Them! Do wish they could have picked a more noble cause? hell ya! But sometimes you take what is available and this was available. You dont have to like it, but if we can be honest, your opinion (and mine) simply DONT matter! It was what it was, and now it is 22 yo old story. Relax! Have an adult beverage and enjoy the games that WILL matter!
As much I hate social media today, I’m sometimes glad it exists because incidents like this were either swept under the rug or quickly forgotten about back in those days.
Toxic locker room culture with zero accountability, and that's a big reason why the Bengals remained uncompetitive in the 90's.
The Cincinnati Boy's Club
I hope and pray the same thing happens to the Browns for signing Watson.
George Vogel still works for WLWT he’s the sports anchor
One of the better ones.
good for him just doing his job
After a loss to the Broncos in 1986, Bengals' coach Sam Wyche nearly assaulted a reporter.
The Bengals stood by way too many players with off the field issues during that time.
@@matthewdaley746 beat me to it
The team creed in a nutshell:
Have emotional problems? Raiders not paying attention to you? Come play for Cincinnati, where being a broken person is showcased and exploited by the team.
The race riots had broken out earlier that summer, and I'm not sure if that had anything to do with ownership not being more disciplinary minded toward the players with legal issues
Odell Thurman and Chris Henry are the only 2 who come to mind. And they were more mid-2000's
@@_DropTheMike Lawrence Billups, Pac Man Jones, Stanley Roberts
BECAUSE
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NUMBSKULL
GOT
ARESSTED
LAST
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was what we said when we wondered why no superbowl wins.
I’m a Packers fan first and foremost, but when any team makes it to a Super Bowl that's never won one (Detroit not included in that sentiment), I always root for the underdog, unless of course they were to be playing Green Bay. Then it’s a different story. LOL
Still better than Cleveland
@@adg2k225 I do root for the Lions except when playing Cincy
Indianapolis Colts. I say let the Bengals move away and support the nearby Colts. At least Indianapolis supports the Reds.
"Neil Rackers missed a chip shot field goal."
Arizona Cardinals: "Hmmm, he can't make a chip shot FG. He's perfect for us!"
To be fair, he did lead the league in scoring once in Arizona and led the league in FG% twice. His best years were with the Cards
@@johnny__topside 1 season doesn't a career make. Just like all Cardinal kickers since Jim Bakken retired they have their moments but for the most part they're mediocre. From Catanzaro and O'Donahue missing FG's a one legged man could make to Zane Gonzalez being flat out awful to Bill Gramatica blowing his knee out over celebrating a basic field goal to the terrible fill ins like Eric Schubert, Jim Gallery, Joe Nedney, Novo Bojovic to John Lee who couldn't kick off the ground to 1st rounder Steve Little who plain couldn't kick. Funny that the only Cardinal kickers worth their salt were all here at the end of their careers like Greg Davis, Kevin Butler, Chris Jacke, Jay Feely. Even Matt Prater isn't a spring chicken. They just can't get a consistent kicker.
@@Rockhound6165 Oh man, Novo Bojovic! There's a name I remember from the USFL.
Neil Rackers became a great kicker in Arizona. I don't know what happened, but he literally went from being trash with the Bengals to one of the best kickers in the NFL in Arizona.
@@Rockhound6165 side note, remember Sebastián Jankowski injuring himself celebrating? Lol
As a Bengals fan who lived through the Bungals era, I definitely don't miss that time at all, the name Akili Smith gave me flashbacks lol
Your organization is trash. Keep losing super bowls i love ittt
David Klingler, trigger any PTSD?
I wasn't even aware of the Bengals pulling this stunt. That's beyond classless. WLWT 5 was just doing its job and the Bengals had no business treating the NBC affiliate's reporter like that. The Bengals' players should've had that energy for Tremaine Mack given that he didn't know how to pick a designated driver and put so many people's lives in danger.
Morality, was, never, considered.
WLWT is a CBS affiliate, not NBC.
@@nicoleknight9412 No, WLWT was at the time, and still is, an NBC affiliate.
@@nicoleknight9412 WLWT is indeed Greater Cincinnati's NBC affiliate and is the only primary NBC affiliate that DMA has ever known. WKRC has been Greater Cincinnati's CBS affiliate since 1996 (2nd stint).
@@nicoleknight9412 wlwt news 5
Is NBC
The lack of appeal of this gsme showed since in Week 12 of 2000 the league assigned 7 games with the AFC team as the visitor to Sunday afternoon. Thus CBS had 7 games that day, meaning that the meh (or worse)ness of this game reflected in the broadcast booth. Craig Bolerjack and Charles Mann were assigned this game. Those two worked all of 3 games as a pair that season, getting one only if CBS had 7 or more games. Charles Mann worked 5 other games that season for CBS with Bill McAtee, which also only happened when CBS had 7 or more games on a particular Sunday.
Bolerjack never cracked the top 6 in CBS's NFL top 6 pecking order. McAtee ended up as CBS's #6 play-by-play man in 2010, paired with Rich Gannon, then in 2011 paired with Steve Tasker,. which lasted through the 2013 season.
I believe this game was seen in only seven cities, maybe as many as nine cities.
It was broadcast in Boston, Cincinnati, Dayton, Providence, Hartford, Portland and Bangor, Maine.
It might also have been shown in Louisville, Kentucky and/or in Burlington, Vermont.
@@altfactor You said "Bangor" 🤣 😋
On point. The "circle the wagons" mentality shown there, in spite of what's right or wrong, is infuriating. If anyone deserved the ire of the players, it was Mack.
Man,I didn't know about t his and I watched and football pretty good back then.Thats shameful & disgusting. You can stand up for a friend or player but you shouldn't attack someone or just gloss over gross, negligent behavior,what?!If someone would've gotten hurt or killed they still would've been like that?!That's MISPLACED,BLIND LOYALTY!
Horrible and says a lot about the other players as well.I can't stand that crap and call it out whenever I see it.Thanx for bringing that to light.I appreciate you and your channel and content.All the best
Living near Cincinnati, made it hard to watch football in 90s and early 2000s. Half the time Bengals were blacked out, meaning usually no 1pm game on either station. Road games meant that was the only game on at 1pm sometimes. I could be wrong at the rules but I remember points where it felt like I wasn't watching any football. So you were hoping a good 4pm game and a good Sunday night game just to make it worthwhile.
Definitely remember the blackout era lol was most of my childhood. Grew up listening to Dave lap on the radio a lot! From what I remember we usually got a 1pm game but it was the browns and those games was just as horrible to watch. When the browns left the league we got infomercials and a garbage nfc match up on Fox. Very tough time to be a fan but those are the fans I respect the most. Also remember watching sports of all sorts to see highlights late night Sunday... SMH
Why not just go to nearby Indianapolis like I did and start watching the Iconic Peyton Manning era. You Bengals Fans are beyond stupid. Zero Super Bowls and counting. At least the Colts won a Super Bowl.
And yet somehow Denver managed to lose to both of these teams that year and allowed Corey Dillon to set the NFL single game rushing record.
Still frequently topped Patriots.
Fun fact: the '00 Bengals set a franchise record for fewest points scored which has lasted to this day. So yeah, even by Bengals standards this team was awful!
Why did this happen? One reason, it was the bungles of the 90's. A poorly managed team where most of the players were criminals.
George Vogel, is by all accounts, a genuinely nice and respected contributor to Cincinnati sports.
Ken Broo is the one I could see getting thumped.
I was in the airport, young/ alot shorter than Broo and he was rushing and looking backward and plowed right into me and then acted nasty towards me... Vogel on the other hand does come across as you describe. And WLWT is a preferred local channel (also like WCPO). While no news outlet is perfect, currently WLWT feels more balanced (not sure about this story in particular) in overall local news reporting. I especially like Kevin and his team on the local weather.
@@bengalsfandom623 Kevin Robinson is my favorite weather guy, I used to like Tim Hedrick and was sad he passed. He came to my school in the 80s and was getting kids interested in meteorology and the technology being developed for it.
With both teams being 2-8, the '00 Pats-Bengals game was truly a Battle Of The Baddies.
Of course after the 2000 season, the Patriots went 11-5 in the 2001 regular season and never looked back.
@@rwboa22 The Patriots wound up with Tom Brady. The Bengals .... Had Akili Smith
WOW! This must be a touchy subject for you. I've never heard so much emotion in any of your other videos.
He showed more emotion than this in a video 1 or 2 days ago. Just sayin'.
Is it me or do alot of ur videos seem to be describing week 11 of many seasons? I guess maybe just a coincidence of a few I've watched the past couple days lol
Two points here: The media has quite enough access to the players to where they really don't need to be in the locker room. The locker room needs to be for team personnel exclusively.
Next, the NFL needs to regain control over its business, and have strong and strict player conduct policies which are a deterrent to criminal behavior and is understood and predictable. DUI should be a season long suspension with no pay and no credit toward time served under contract. Hit them in the pocketbook.
My interest in the NFL has been dampened by the numerous off season arrests for violent behavior. Why there is not a stringent personal conduct policy to hold the players accountable is ridiculous. This behavior will destroy the NFL,if the league doesn't put it to a stop.
Dude, I've been a Bengals fan all my life and the early 2000's until mid 2010's the locker room was like a cancer
This is just another reason why the Bengals were the worst team in the 90s.
I live in Cincy, and it was sad to watch that team lose AND coddle criminals for over 30 years from the late 80s to here very recently. Even when they went to the Super Bowl in 1989 they had a guy get arrested that weekend for cocaine. The Marvin Lewis era was the worst with all those bums like Pacman and Burfict. Thankfully the squad has kept their noses clean for the last couple years and it looks like they are headed in the right direction.
One of your best videos so far! Keep it up!
At 4:36,it's good to see Tom Brady cheerleading on the sideline,oh just wait another year and see!
@@matthewdaley746 Alas, yet another nonsensical response
@@matthewdaley746 Alas, hard to tell if correct or incorrect since it made no sense
Losing to the 2000 bellochick patriots is like losing to (inset any year) the lions. That alleged 'ready made dynasty' brady would 'luck into' in 10 months had win 2 games all year and people already wanted bellichick fired
Edit: someone just pointed out you can see brady on the sideline on the 4:34 play
It's just laughable to me, that, the, three, SBs, he, lost, were, to teams, with, a collective record, of, 32-16.
@@matthewdaley746 the division was laughable those years after Marino and Kelly retired,and the perpetually bad Jets, were his ticket to the playoffs.
@@teen_laqueefa No joke, the Patriots had all of those seasons where they won ten Games, they usually, went, 5-1, inside of their Division, for, some reason, whenever, they played the Dolphins late in the year, especially, in Miami, they frequently lost.
@@matthewdaley746 Not to mention the ridiculous EIGHT STRAIGHT byes to the AFC title game from 2011-18 because the rest of the AFC was more determined to worship the Pats than try beating them.
@@DolFan316 Spot on, the only teams in the AFC that weren't scared to death of the, Patriots, were, the, Ravens, the, Broncos, and, to a lesser degree, the, Colts, meanwhile, the, Giants, were, tailor-made, to beat them, even if they had trouble making the Playoffs.
If a reporter is actually able to leave a locker room after an NFL player beats him up, that NFL player should retire immediately in shame. Just sayin'.
Seriously killed or injured. I love it.
12:30 I just permanently lost all respect I ever had for Takeo Spikes. #neverforgive #neverforget
Splkes made a big mistake but through his career I heard nothing but great things about him
When the music stopped playing I thought maybe Tremain Mack died in a car accident
Pretty sure the goal was to sound serious since driving while intoxicated is a serious issue regardless of whether or not someone gets hurt.
And I thought Chargers QB Ryan Leaf lashing out at a sports reporter back in the 80's was a shocker. 😱
That wasn't the 80's that was 1998 lol
1998
At 4:34 you can clearly see Tom Brady congratulating Terry Glenn after running out of bounds after a catch.
You'll, never, see him congratulating, a, QB, that, beats him, though, btw, Terry Glenn, was, Human Garbage, the next year was his last season, with, the Patriots, he quit on the team, barely, played, but got, a, Ring, anyway, he died, recently.
good catch
@@MarkVrem Never, noticed that season.
they finished 5-11 but yeah don't remember that being that bad 2--8 LOL
@@MarkVrem What a bewildering postcript.
Do one on the time when Ryan Leaf screamed at a reporter.
Marvin Lewis should a lot more respected for how he transformed the Bengals, even if he also responsible for still keeping too many criminals around.
I just gotta say, I love your sarcasm.
took them 22 years to finally get all that respect back by getting to the SB. looking forward to watching the Bengals go back to the SB this season.
They wont be going back. Ravens are healthier and afc is stacked. All Joe has is Chase
@@bryced7633 and he took that personally.....
That entire team not only needed a rebuilt roster but also an attitude change because going in to the 21st century the Bengals were a dumpster fire waiting to explode at a moment’s notice.
@@teen_laqueefa Did you just do a UrinatingTree reference? 😄
@@bryced7633 Hahahahahahaha. Thanks I needed a good laugh.
The Bengals from 1992-2002 (they called it the lost decade were clueless, classless and spineless. Every TV station reported this but they went after Channel 5 because the station wouldnt suck up to them and not bury the story
Bengals always get involved in something in the locker rooms. Remember NFL Network airing an interview with Pacman Jones with players changing and heading to the showers in the background? Cincy can't catch a break lol.
Maybe if the media got out of the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s and stopped w/the creepy locker room interviews and recordings then this wouldn't be an issue (recording nude players). The pandemic proved this doesn't need to happen anymore so why can't the media move forward into a new era. Media acts like creepy people pinning players in the locker room w/no time limit - I've seen some where its like okay enough already... every channel has to ask the same or similar questions and that's "reporting"? They all should be banned from the locker room. Not relating to story, just a general statement for todays world.
5-11 first year of the b b (not quite yet) pats. and pac man jones says 'damn i wish i was there'.
You tell em JG!! You were getting heated at the end and I respect it.
He did get heated about it! This story is 22 years OLD! What does getting angry about something so old help? Is he trying to earn his 'Go Woke' membership card? Or perhaps he is trying to turn a nothing-burger of a story into something engaging? Sometimes its OK to not share your opinion! It simply doesn't matter here (unless you are a woke joke)!
I'm just happy the patriots were 3-8 lol 😆
Why u gotta hate on us😩
@@Pats4ever407 pure jealousy that's all ! I'm a bears fan I would kill to have a 1/4 of your success
Yeah! Kill the messenger!
Ah something forgotten about the Bungles era was how many times they got arrested.
Also the station was filming Bengals practice before a New England game? Did... did they work for Belichek?
I'll go ahead and assume they were.
The Bengals converted me into a Colts Fan ironically 1998, the year they drafted Peyton Manning. Indianapolis is a much better football city than Cincinnati. Better stadium, better management, better training facility, and a Super Bowl to show for it.
I’m just here so I won’t get fined.
@@matthewdaley746 Seriously dude?!? How does what he said warrant this response?
I am sorry every time I see the team with orange with black stripes on the helmet t the word sleaze comes to mind and people like Sam Wyche Pac-Man Jones Lewis Billups Vontaze Burfict Stanley Wilson and Owner Mike Brown along with Tremain Mack all in the Hall Of Fame of sleaze.
Fortunately I was around for the Paul Brown years when they were classy. And of course once Paul Brown died, that was the end of the Bengals.
Well played on the 13-13 Vinatieri reference
The late '90s Bungles were up there with the Portland Jail Blazers in terms of bad apples on their team.
Corey Dillon stepped out of the Bengals mess and into a championship.
Actually, in Mike Brown's worst transaction, ever, (which is truly saying something), he handed his best player to the Patriots, for, essentially nothing, thus, gifting, them, their, third, SB, luckily, that iteration of the Patriots quickly fell apart, for the next decade.
Man should be in the Hall of fame. Has the third highest rushing total ever in an NFL game, has well over 10,000 rushing yards, has a Super Bowl ring. Put that man in the Hall....
@@mistermann3225 Bengals' association precludes it.
@@matthewdaley746 Damn...lol.
@@mistermann3225 Horrible, yet, inevitably, honest.
Hard to believe that the same Patriots lost to the Bengals the next year and then lost to the Jets that allowed Tom Brady to basically come in and rescue the Patriots season and essentially the franchise that they would become when he played there.
Harder to believe Tom Brady's played the Broncos four times in the Playoffs, and, lost three, they, were, the last team he got a winning record against, Mike Shanahan's bewilderingly great career record against the Patriots bought him several years.
Then there was Lisa Olson and the 1990 Patriots.....Enough said.
If that happened today, the entire team would be cancelled. As in, their existence immediately ending. The rest of their opponents that season would be given a forfeit win, and the league would go with 31 teams until coming up with a new franchise, likely headed by a consortium of woke celebs. Every player on that team would be blackballed forever.
@@DolFan316 team almost folded as it was. Between Sullivan and Kiam. They had Maybe, one or two good years before they brought in Parcells.
@@DolFan316 I love your sarcasm, by the way...if that's what it was. Lol
@@bigdrew565 I WISH it was sarcasm but sadly the way the world is now I really think all of that would actually happen.
@@DolFan316I hear you. If anything, this forced the league to put something on paper. You think this was bad, though. I'm from New York. I met some of the original female firefighters who came on the FDNY in 1982. Some of them went through hell for their entire careers. Nobody in charge had a clue what to do for the longest time. Same with the NFL and female employees and sports reporters.
Back when high character meant nothing to the Bengals.
Wait...are you saying it does matter to the Bengals now??? 😲
It means nothing to any of these sports teams in general. It's all just schadenfreude...
Wow just wow
Leonard Little actually KILLED someone by driving drunk and he still kept playing.
Plus, repeated his offense.
Preach it!
Is it really necessary to have a press conference after every game/Have it the day after.
You gotta understand when you are a team and you are close you will do anything to protect your teammates especially if it is from getting in trouble with the law.
Tremain Mack is GARBAGE. That whole team was GARBAGE!
This is the kind of trash Bengals fans had to put up with during their playoff win drought.
The bengals were wrong bit I wouldn't let that news station that snitched on the player back in the locker room at all
I don't really agree with the RUclipsr in this. The only thing that happened that was wrong was that they jumped on the wrong guy and he didn't deserve it. But yeah they were straight snitching. I doubt Mack was driving to practice drunk. He was driving to practice sober; so leave him alone it's not your business. The News Station had somebody straight snitch on him and then sent somebody who had nothing to do with it in the locker room to take the heat.
How you hold back from dropping F bombs here I don’t know.
The magic of editing, I suspect.
I'm not sure which is the bigger offense. Mack driving on a revoked license or the players being allowed to suit and call themselves NFL football players.
The city of Cincinatti didn't deserve that.
Didn't WLWT carry Cincinnati Bengals preseason games at the time?
If so, George Vogel might have been part of the on-air announcing team for those preseason games.
From 1990 on mike Brown ran it into the ground plus collecting a salary for being a general manager then extorted money from the citizens of cincy for a new stadium producing a half ass team that just won enough games to fill seats.
At least you guys have been to a Super Bowl this past season and won many division titles since 2005. Believe me it could be so much worse. You could be a Lions fan and we have 1 playoff win in 65 years and no division titles in almost 29 years.
Tremaine Mack is lucky he wasn't a long-term resident of Ohio,because he would have been sent to prison . I did time with a guy named Todd Manley in an Ohio state penitentiary ,who was the first Multiple DUI offender to be sent to prison in 2003 for 50+ DUI's .
And yet another player somehow topped this overreaction to a reporter…
No team was as thug as da Bengals back in those days. Viscous and stupid all at the same time. Excruciatingly frustrating
God this channel fucking rocks
This is important stuff here.... ROFL!
There was a time when calling them “the Cincinnati Felons” was not too far off the mark.
You do a good job on your videos.
But, your analogies are literally the worst.
Bungles is the Bungles. Also it’s not an era, it’s just who they are. This current success won’t last very long
i know uber/lyft didn't exist back then, but dude couldn't (or wouldn't) have someone he could just go "look, take my car to practice, wait for me to get out, then drive me home" and pay like $100 a day?
i mean, sure, he's not making top money, but guy could easily afford the few grand it would cost to do that during the season, and certainly better than going to jail.
A team willing to spend would have hired a driver for him, but that’s not how the Bengals roll
@@adambartel8037 Also, why didn't NFLPA (or equivalent) or Commissioner require rehab prior to being able to play? After repeated DUIs, why didn't judge require rehab or alcohol counseling?
Why was the Brown family even allowing their employees doing the nonsense in the first place?
Who Dey
Yes?
Lol WHO DEY!!!!
Yeah, this is why the Bengals deserved to be bad in that era.
I'm not people driving drunk either but I'm sure the man wasn't drunk driving to and from practice and WLWT had a chance to profit off the situation and they did and if I was a player that felt like I'd been betrayed by somebody to get me to ask me questions and I had to be nice to I tell him to get the fuck out too
What do you expect from the Bengals?
What happened to the players
Thats the Bengals for you...
We stick together, you against 1 you against all unless you beat your woman r kids. Like Fred Lane, we told him over n over again to not do it and unfortunately it ended tragically .
Bengals do not believe in snitching.
Mike brown is cheap
WLTL was in the right place at the right time!
Lol that's not the craziest i wanna say a certain person got beat up in the locker room on hard to knocks
Average bungals poverty “franchise”
Bungles gonna Bungle.
Why cover the 1st quarter, slurping on my team
And you thought Lewis Billups was the biggest disaster to ever happen to the Beng, er Bungals.
The reporter and/or cameraman clearly tipped off the cops.
this is the mentality of the 13 percent.....it only gotten worse since 2000
why are you so worked up about something to happened like 20+ years ago? weird.
That’s the point of the channel. There’s a lot of stuff that gets forgotten because social media didn’t exist and several people were likely worked up about this at that time but it was more than likely those who lived in Cincinnati and followed the Bengals or the reporters at that station. A majority of NFL fans probably wouldn’t have known about this happening.
@@justinmaybach6388 again, its was over 20 plus years ago, and it isnt exactly big news then, or now. A guy had problems with drinking and driving and a news station turned him in and the team didnt welcome him in open arms after a loss. shocker.... not saying that drinking and driving isnt bad, but this isnt exactly something to be up in arms over 20 years later.
You bum, cover your own team
He literally makes videos about all the teams including his own and this happened so long ago that I would think most Bengals fans wouldn’t care to remember it at all with where the team is currently trending.
Oh Boi what do you know? Another Bengals Hater trying to justify shii that happened over 2 decades ago.
I doubt that he’s specifically targeting the Bengals cause he makes videos about negative stuff that’s happened with all teams and since his favorite team is from the AFC South I can’t imagine he hates Cincinnati all that much.
Who was the commissioner, I'm guessing goddel
Honorary first year 2006.
Paul Tagliabue
@@SteelerFanInRI Many fans entirely forgot.
Tagliabue
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 Our last great captain.
Alcohol is an addiction... had he buried the story as they do for white players these players wouldn't have throw him out. Your entire tone is that of the times the difference between crack and heroine was skin color. To you it was news, to them you were taking food off the table. How the players felt is dismissed again if you are building relationships you listen. "They said come in and act like nothing happen." They are well within their rights to kick him out." It is not a public place, it is a private space and the people of that private space wanted him to leave. Black men get kicked out of private spaces all the time. If he was just doing his job then to build proper relationships find out what you company is doing before you go into private spaces. No accountability the man served 60 days in jail. He served his time. Things would be different now then before..Babe Ruth Paul Vernon Hornung John Riggins would have been suspended ....The 5 o'clock club was real you never seen it in a news story.
Thank you for this thoughtful perspective and providing some balance to this
So no real footage of the actual content. Just this dude talking and watching lame highlights. Do yourself a favor and skip this dudes videos where all we hear is this dudes voice and no real content. Boring and annoying
I wish I could dislike this video 400 times! The hyper emotionalism just wasnt necessary here! its a 22 yr old story. Just tell us the story without the heated debate. I have enjoyed most of your other videos (binging some today) but the hyper emotionalism didnt come across well for me. Here is an angle maybe it hasnt been considered. When a team is struggling so much, maybe something like this becomes a rallying point: Us vs Them! Do wish they could have picked a more noble cause? hell ya! But sometimes you take what is available and this was available. You dont have to like it, but if we can be honest, your opinion (and mine) simply DONT matter! It was what it was, and now it is 22 yo old story. Relax! Have an adult beverage and enjoy the games that WILL matter!