FYI, I had already made this video before AMD reached out about Threadripper Sponsored integration. Parts of this video is sponsored by AMD not ALL of the video! :) Hope this clarifies it a bit!
@@guzwana477 as long as u don't plan on streaming to services with no AV1 support and you don't plan on using AI or 3d rendering AMD cards are perfectly fine if not better for the price. they aren't bad for streaming just not ideal nvenc is still quite a bit better
@@plasmahvh thanks for the info, and yes, that AI thing. I saw some people complain about their AMD card having freeze screen when they using photoshop beta (AI) I belive. I’m work with Adobe, photoshop, Lightroom, after effect and premiere. Not streaming so far and don’t have plan to do it.
For those not in the know AMD added blender support for their compute cards on Linux and is working with Valve to optimize their ray tracing on Linux while reworking how AMD cards calculate rays in general.
"You either die the hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." This really fits NVIDIA to me after how fuckin good the 10 series GPUs were. They weren't gonna make the 1080ti mistake again.
I've been using my 7900XTX for about a week now for exactly these things except 3D. And I can personally say, it's shockingly good. Even stability wise.
So you mean they basically give you beta drivers and you have to wait for them to reach their full potential. I don’t know why people keep saying amd drivers are fine wine since it just sounds like cope. Just give me the fine wine performance at the beginning.
@@ArdaU may be price to performance, but theyre buggy as heck and unusable in some instances at release, and even after a few months theres game-breaking bugs, or even productivity-breaking bugs with Premiere or Photoshop crashing or graphical glitches etc, i for one cant wait to switch to an RTX, finally moving to NVIDIA for the first time, ive had enough of Intel iGPUs and AMD GPUs already, both have terrible drivers at times (Intel all the time) and my friends with NVIDIA never have any kinds of issues, while i get all the stuttering and crashing in the world :(
@@EricPlayZ132 not all releases are buggy, this time it was better than nvidia imo, i got both. Its usually when they begin using a totally new architecture or feature that its buggy.
@@EricPlayZ132 The grass is always greener on the other side (literally), I've mostly used nvidia cards 970 > 1080ti > 3080 I switched to 7900xtx a few months ago and gforce experience in general isn't perfect (it feels like you're stuck in 2010 when you pull up nvidia control panel or gforce exp), shadow play does not like to save settings and compared to adrenaline and amd's screen capture, its way better and has more options. I mostly play video games though so when I crash I'm not sure if it's nvida's fault or the game's (I usually assume it's the game's fault form my experiences), nvida might've been more stable in the past from what I've heard, but my 7900xtx has been as stable as my previous cards. I do miss nvidia control panel though
The 7900 XTX is a really good video editing card but what’s surprising in my testing is (outside of GPU effects) just how close the 7800 XT gets in Premiere Pro and Resolve Studio performance. I would say it’s an even better value. :)
I disagree. Maybe, a 7900 XT is. The 7800 XT is only as good as 6800 XT performance in Blender. If your sole task is video editing and it's DR, then sure, it might be okay. I haven't found any Davinci Resolve benchmarks for the 7800 XT or Premiere Pro yet to confirm your findings. :)
Really appreciate what you do. Most people just want to look at gaming performance and barely anyone actually does these kind of comparisons for creators. Would you consider doing stable diffusion tests later on?
Hi! New to the channel! 4:03 PLEASE do not make percentages out of degrees. Temperature scales are arbitrary. If you convert C to K or F you're going to get completely different percentages. Percentages of Watt is perfectly fine as it's an absolute scale. When you do percentages of performance and you use the "percent faster than" please write +xyz%. Nearly every other outlet uses "percent faster" (note the missing "than") which sets one as 100% and the other as the total (so 100 more than you listed). I did a couple of double-takes before I realised what you were doing.
I have owned a GTX 1070, GTX 1080, RTX 2070 Super, RTX 3080(10gb), and 2 months ago i bought my 1st amd card. I got the 7900xt Sapphire Nitro ➕️ and Im honestly shocked at how well it does in editing. Whenever im editing a video for my youtube channel, Im currently using Wondershare Filmora X, and the 7900 xt is very snappy on there. Maybe it's the 24 gigs of V ram but I almost didn't buy the 7900xt because all i kept hearing was how the RTX cards blow the AMD 7000 series out the water in editing. However, keep in mind I only use my gpu's for gaming and editing RUclips videos and when im editing my RUclips videos , I only use wondershare filmora x. Im not familiar with anything else.
I went from a 3070 to a 7900xtx, my first card had junction heat problems after 2 weeks. Ended up getting a better case and more case fans. It works fine now I've had it for 7 months now with no issues. Paired the card with the LG 45 ultrawide.
How is the performance compared to the 3070? Much better or little bit? And the 7900xtx works well with ultrawide ? Im getting the lg 45 ultrawide too, just need to decide between 7900xtx and 4090
@deyh5664 very big performance increase ! You can play anything on Max settings, I wanted a 4090 , I just didn't see a point of paying 700 more. Yes it works well with ultrawide, my 3070 worked great with My old Alienware 34 ultrawide. Once you play in ultrawide you won't go back to 16:9
I'm owning an ASUS TUF RX 7900XTX for about half of year. I didn't notice any instability on my system. Even I was playing 8-10h the card behave smooth without issues. My previous card was an EVGA RTX3080 and I swapped with AMD one now. Using both of them I can say that AMD drivers has a better integration with metrics and overclocking. For nVidia I had to use 3rd party tools like EVGA tool to do some additional configurations.
i got a 7900 XTX for flat and VR gaming (extra RAM, lower price) and couldn't be happier. Now I am building a video editing rig for my boss, for a new business and he has not decided if he wants to do 8k VR or 4k flatscreen. so researching videos like this one to help him pick the right tools. Thanks for this video!
I have a MSI RTX-4090 Suprim X, MSI RTX 3070, & a few AMD cards. I also used to purchase AMD until I got sick of the drivers. After I switched over to Nvidia, all my GPU stress went away. I'll never do AMD anything again. Intel & Nvidia all the way baby!
I want to upgrade for too long now and i was thinking to end up probably with a 4070ti, but now im really thinking 7900XTX is the only option, especially since they are about at the same price range! Thanks for the very clarifying video!
I had the same considerations. I ended up with 4070 Ti for two reasons. 1) I bought 7900xtx first, but the card was faulty and had to be returned so I got bad customer experience which created distrust. 2) I wanted to keep gpu accelerated machine learning options open (I dabble in coding). Anyhow, I really wanted to like 7900xtx, but quality control just was not there yet.
@@InnocentiusLacrimosa Besides the bad quality/manufacturing process of 7900XTX and assume both were working OK, which one would you keep? And if i may, which 7900XTX did you bought?
@@ZoaStousDromous Even though the 4070 Ti has been really good for me, I think it is seriously overpriced for what it is. It is a quality product that I feel bad for paying as much as it costs :-) Anyhow, if machine learning was no concern for me at all and I would get a good sample of 7900XTX - then that would be the obvious choice. I guess it will also age far better than 4070 TI will age. My 7900XTX was the "default edition" with both the infamous vapor chamber issue and also perhaps power instability on top of that (I say "perhaps" because once I discovered the faulty vapor chamber, I did not want to spend a lot more time to troubleshoot the causes for the non-heat-caused instability also).
Bro I’ll advise you for that amount just get the xtx tbh I’m an nvidia fanboy and tbh I wouldn’t spend that much on a 4070ti when I have xtx the same price
I'm mainly editing photos and videos and this is why I chose to go for AMD for my money. Okay, I'm a generation behind with my RX 6800 XT (went for the Pro Edition drivers) but that's still a nice card both for those tasks and some gaming and it was cheaper for the performance offered than anything nVidia could offer at that price point. No 3D modeling for me but that's outside my knowledge anyway.
I have the 7900xtx (and a 4090) and I simply cannot record 4k with the 7900xtx in game video's with OBS without stutter. Period. I've tried every encoder, every work around, and spent many hours trying to solve this issue. Don't get me wrong, the 7900xtx is a beast of a card (for $800 less), and it PLAYS 4k games fine. But between the 4090 and the 7900xtx, while "playing" a game in 4k, with OBS, the 4090 records smooth frames and the 7900xtx has stutter in it. Now not "exactly" the same hardware, on the 7900xtx system, I have a 5800x3d with 64 GB of ram, and on the 4090 machine I have a 7800x3d with 64 GB of ram (both have Sony 990's for storage). I just wish the 7900xtx could record 4k and not stutter with OBS... niche use case, but at least worth mentioning.
@@onomatopoeia162003 It shouldn't anymore. I had the same problem as @SpaceShortsYT with my 7900 XT, but eventually after a driver update, the AV1 encoder that kept getting choked above 100% usage at 4K just went under 90%. It now outputs 4K video just fine on OBS.
The main problem for AMD's AME (encode/decode cores) is still video quality per bitrate. They're the absolute worst quality for EVERY bitrate when you compare to Intel QS, nVidia or even Apple's M2. You typically need about 20-25% more bitrate to get the same quality scores as the other brands. For AV1 and h265 exports the pecking order is still Intel, nVidia, Apple, Qualcom and at the very bottom - AMD. If you don't care about image quality, or if you don't have encoding export bitrates constraints then fine. But on AMD based systems in professional circumstances I typically recommend to export projects at several hundred kB/MP/s and then to reencode the result on a render server with a software based solution like x265 or SVT-AV1
@@theTechNotice Thats not what I found using AMD's AMF encoder, though that is via OBS in Linux. I wouldn't have thought that would make a difference. Unless AMD's AMF encoder is something different to windows.
AMD was never meant to compete with Nvidia when it comes to content creation. They have never had the edge and I don’t think they ever will. AMD should just be focused on at least being a good budget option for content creation. Which at the moment they are not. I would recommend a 3060…hell even a 3050 for a entry level content creator build.
Some strange percentage numbers like on 11:07 u just look at % and think "oh its 2 times faster" (without looking at numbers) while when u see numbers u understand that its actually 3 times faster
I've been a long proponent of AMD and it's exciting to see them starting to give NVidia a good run in the high end (if only AMD would go back to being the midrange king). So, as much as I want to love this video, I have to critique it as biased and unreliable. As much as I want to believe and tout these benchmarks, it's hard to trust a video comparing two direct competitors when the video is being sponsored by one of the competitors. Any video comparing AMD vs. NVidia cannot be sponsored by either party, or they lose all of their credibility. This video is well made and the benchmarks are promising, but the AMD sponsorship takes out any reliability for me.
7900 XTX user here. Lightroom Classic often will eat the whole 24GB of cards VRAM and won't release it, resulting in stutters, lag etc. Only restart of the program helps. Anyone else noticed this behavior? Is it the same on nvidia? I bought this card specifically so I don't have problems with insufficient memory and i'm feeling somewhat bamboozled. I've had this card for about half a year and it has always been like that, with heavier workloads.
The 7900 XTX Blender performance is nowhere near the 4090 either with or without HIP-RT. But at least with HIP-RT is is 11-31% faster on those benchmarks scenes than in the normal benchmark scores.
Great test. Could you test the rx7700xt/7800xt vs rtx4060ti/4070 and lower too. Would be interesting to see how drivers and optimizations improve AMD and how it stacks up with the cheaper cards and if it is still worth paying more for Nvidia for creators. Also curious if AMD's IGPU improve performance now like Intel quick sync after the new optimizations from AMD. Keep up the great content.
I would rock AMD for the price, but with my profession (3D animation and Visual effects) there are some programs that we use that require CUDA cores to even get the program open. I found that out when I was first starting out years ago and thought I didn't need a GPU to use a certain animation software.... I ended up with my first GPU then, lol. I think it all comes down to intent. Gaming, work, or creative.
3D animation and Visual effects does this apply to Maya, Houdini, katana, Nuke, Zbrush Mamoset Toolbag and their renderers as well? Thanks! I need to make sure I get the correct GPU for the 3D industry. Thanks!
I'm sad to say so, but for productivity, there's only Nvidia. AMD have been sleeping on the side for many years, and only focused on gaming. It seems like they're waking up, but it will be years before various software will support AMD. I wanted so bad for my next GPU to be an AMD, but had to go for Nvidia... again! We need the competition, like really bad. The price difference says it all.
Used both blindly and 4090 is the superior card however for real price difference the nvidia isnt $500.00 better so being almost $700.00 more is absurd.
Crazy, almost all benchmarks out there (that I've watched today, roughly 11 including this one), the 4090 was just infinitely better than the XTX for everything creative (and gaming but not the reason I'm looking). Think I might get the 4090, as on average it's 36% stronger than the XTX for all content creation work and most specifically Photoshop/Premiere, since they're heavily supported by CUDA (nvidia shading unit tech). Edit: For the reason mentioned directly above, this video is just outright bias, because of the CUDA support, Adobe products are just always better on Nvidia cards, everyone knows this.
Nvidia rtx 4090 better than AMD gpu if you are a hard core gamer just gaming go with the amd gpu I like doing both gaming and creation transcoding Nvidia is the way to go
To people here, If you go nvidia and you have the money 4090, if you want value 7900xtx. I have both, an all white 4090 pc, and a all black asus 7900xtx build. The 4080 is over priced, but i can see if you pref it its okay and trades blows with the 7900xtx. 4070ti is a scam, the vram will be an issue as time goes on, though its as good as a 3090ti. The 4090 is def my perferred, but i can play my 7900xtx build and im more than happy at 4k. We are in a generation that the price to performance is not value oriented anymore. Remember the jump from 9series to the 10? It lasted 3 years longer than it needed to be, and they dont want that again.
thank you this is exactly what I needed whenever I look up 7900 XTX versus the 4090 everyone has benchmarks on gaming and not necessarily video and photo applications. Great job. You definitely solidified my purchase decision.
Honestly what I mostly feel is that if Blender/3D apps had the same support for HIP/ROCM that they have for CUDA, the XTX would just trounce the competition. But as usual Nvidia's software was there first, and got service first. AMD's HW is great, it's the SW that so often just does not follow up well enough.
I would buy 7900XTX in a heart beat BUT since I mostly work with 3D apps and rendering I have to go with 4090 unfortunately. I am literally getting forced to buy nvidia at this point >_
The amd card for your application is the ws pro cards. They are specially designed for that application. I want one but the price point is also very pro oriented.
Great video. Honestly I think Nvidia really need to step up on the encoders because Intel and AMD are the ones making bigger strides in that area lately.
Consider this... On Linux, because of the drivers, recent benchmarks show that on Linux Nvidia is about 10% slower than Windows... but AMD has been reported as 17% faster (both averaged over 10+ games)... so, it could be that if you're using these cards on Linux, the AMD might get a 27% boost over the benchmarks made on Windows... !!!!
This is an interesting suggestion. I use linux, which makes me want to get an AMD. But, I want to start doing some 3D stuff on Blender, which makes me want to get Nvidia.
I'm using Davinci Resolve 18 Free on my Win11 system with Ryzen 3700X, RTX 2060 6GB, 32GB RAM, and two M2. 1TB drives (Samsung 970 evo plus). Timeline performance is OK when using proxies, but the time to render proxy FHD/final 4K is a bit slow. What is the best upgrade path for 500 EUR/USD? Gfx card, CPU or Studio version of DR18? Can I even get 50% or more reduced rendeingtime for 500 bucks? .. scratching my head here.
Yea that is a pretty big difference but from the perspective of not being able to even fit a scene into the gpu because of not enough vram the AMD card looks pretty good still with 20gb for $800. Really wish they would just dump a billion dollars into getting ROCM together already
@@user-mt9jp8jz6q I got your point, I think that 24GB of VRAM can be good for some scenarios, but I'm of those people who thinks that is important to optimize your scene. I don't know, I don't want to trust my money to AMD on 3D. I have the 4070Ti and I'm very satisfied.
Did you even watch the results in the video? If you use Windows, the video answers your question. On Linux, AMD is usually the best brand to go with. I had driver issues almost everyday with Nvidia on Linux Mint.
Not only is AMD hitting this side of GPU usage. But more software is being developed and creating utilizing more of amd hardware just like Nvidia has had for some time, being the commercial leader. For now.
I just can't get over the price to go NVIDIA. I can build around the AMD card and save so much and only have to give up the ray tracing quality and superior FPS of the 4090. Not worth an extra $600 if you ask me.
I have a 4070 I use for Auto Fusion CAD I feel it’s better in those areas but I just built a new system for my son using the AMD NITRO 7900XTX on a Asus ROG E670 using an AMD 7950X3D CPU. That thing is a beast! Benchmarks crush my 4070 and it rips games like nothing I’ve ever seen. I’m shocked how far they have come. Both are amazing but for the price look at the AMD NITRO 7900XTX is overclocked more (crashed on a 850 PSU now solid on a 1000 watt PSU), but with his new build it’s never crashed once running at 5.3ghz CPU and 6000mhz RAM. I can’t get over how well the AMD software has made the hardware better. Using AI for over clocking simply amazing.
I'm one of the douchebags who pay more than $2k to put their hands on a 4090 and bought at the same time a 7900XTX to play with. RTX is a total monster and nails the 7900xtx but the difference between both doesn't worth $800 as the AMD is very good.
Don't let the Ngreedia fans that run Toms Hardware see this, they will have a heart attack if someone dares saying anything negative about their favorite brand Ngreedia 😂 Great video.
I have the 7900xtx for a 3months now. I have had no issues what's so ever. I would recommend getting a high end Power supply 850 -1000watt. Mine 850watt platinum. Don't be cheap when buying a PSU :D
It's January 27th, 2024, Nvidia Super series has launched with their RTX 4070 Super and it OK but Nvidia will be releasing several RTX 4080 Super GPU's January 31st 2024, thats including today 5 days from now. Myself I decided to on the RTX 4090. If the RTX 4080 Super is realy good I'll return the RTX 4090. And an Nvidia 4080 Super is priced at $999.99, half what a RTX 4090 sells for. As for the AMD 7900XTX there are several models worth noting one being a ASRock 7900XTX Taichi and Sapphire Nitro 7900XTX have latest GPU driver support "Adrenalin 24.1.1"appears to help AMD 7000 and 6000 series GPU's also. So it appears to be a plus for AMD Graphics.
01:36 That's actually just dishonest nVidia marketing. Since Ampere, they've been marketing cards as having double the actual CUDA core count. The 4090 has 8192 CUDA cores. Each one has one ALU capable of only FP32, and one capable of either INT32 or FP32. With RDNA 3, AMD has basically the same setup, but they report the actual stream processor count. Each stream processor has two FP32-capable ALU's, where one is also used for INT32 calculations - just as with nVidia. If AMD lied about their stats like nVidia, the 7900 XTX would have 12,288 "shading units". In games, on the order of 25% of that extra FP32 capacity is accessible, though it varies quite a bit from one game to the next. For a dedicated compute load, you can probably get a lot more utility out of that extra FP32 capability, provided you're not using the card for any integer math. AMD hasn't had quite as much success with their dual-issue, seeming to be at about the 20% mark on average. That's why the 6950 XT with 5120 stream processors (and no dual-issue FP32 capability) was about the same speed as the 3090 Ti, which had "10752" CUDA cores. The reality is it has 5376 CUDA cores and dual-issue FP32, giving it a roughly effective shader count of 5376 * 1.25 = 6720. When you calculate the TFLOPs based on that, using actual clock speeds, you get the 3090 Ti having about 5% more compute than the 6950 XT in games at 4K, where it had a roughly 5% FPS advantage. If you do a similar metric comparison between the 7900 XTX and 4090, you get the latter having about 45% more compute in games. It doesn't actually achieve that in game performance. It's actually quite lackluster in converting its raw compute into gaming performance. It has about 102% more compute than the 3090 Ti, but only manages to be about 65% faster in games.
Based on price alone, would you get better bang for the buck by purchasing 2 (two) 7900xtx and enabling mgpu? The cost of two regular 7900xtx is virtually equivalent to a single upper tier 4090? Thoughts? Are you able to try that experiment?
@@CallOfCranK - that is the crux of my question. Would enabling mgpu with two lower tier graphics cards be as efficient as a single 4090 in applications that utilize vram, or shader cores, etc. efficiently.
I got the 7900XTX (Asrock Taichi OC edition) since I'm sick and tired of NVidias proprietary drivers on Linux. The Mesa drivers for the AMD 7900XTX are performing excellent, both in games and various other applications - very happy with it.
nvidia is better for creators. period. at least if you work in 3d, you can only go with nvidia. and to be honest everything apart from 3d isn't so dependent on the graphics card. mayyyyybe video editing, but not that much.
Nvidia stopped production on the 4080 & 4090. First the 4080 most unsold GPU of theirs yet. They couldn’t keep up with the 4090 demand as it sold out. Then with Chips Act they move much of their GPU chips production on data centers AI markets and force as much stock focusing on Chinese market before the November 17th Chios Act blockage. Now they have already moved their assembly out of China to other Asian countries. Supra chips will be focused for most of the next year. Not sure how much more of 4090 will they do. As already seeking 5000 series production. You see what’s left of 4090 shrinking stock keep increasing above $2k prices.
Also the AMD cards great value for non Ray Traced gaming. Not so good for over clocking but neither is the 4000 series. It’s be easier to get AMD cards or overpriced 4080s. The 4080 Supra is expected to be 5% under the 4090. Since more people tend under clock the 4090. If the 4080 Supra card has improved connections hdmi/displayport and much improved power plug. The 4080 Supra might be the better card for most high refresh 4k gamers. Till that 5000 series launch. 🤔
I bought a sapphire nitro+ vaporx 7900xtx. It's a beast. I have had issues here and there with drivers. I'm running a 7950x3d on a b650 e-f motherboard. In general I'd recommend it, but driver updates are a must. At one point windows released an update and without the amd update the computer would hard crash within a couple of minutes. AMD's continued updates are a must. If you don't mind tinkering and don't really care about Ray tracing that much, the 7900xtx is ideal.
I'll take the 4090 anyday as I do everything in 4k as I don't even waste my time with 1080P or 1440p. Also, if I don't want to use all the gimmicky fake frame rates the 4090 gives me the extra power that I need if I just want raw 4K.
Hello, I'm a GPU rendering developer since 13 years, just wanted to mention that Windows Task Manager is useless for measuring actual GPU usage. And Photoshop benchmarks, what? Threadripper is necessary? Respectfully disagree...
So you actually state that for the Blender test the Nvidia card is three times faster but the percentage is 234% ??? How did you end up with that number??
so i'm in doubt as to whether to buy the ZOTAC Gaming GeForce RTX 4080 Super AMP Extreme AIRO DLSS 3 16GB or PowerColor Red Devil AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24GB, help please, the focus is video editing in After Effects and Premiere Pro.
For a LRC benchmark, you can select 50-100 and do a denoise on all of them, stop the time and show the performance (You dont have to do it 5 times per card ;)). Also, the export time is really interesting (especially for timelapsers and wedding photographers) who are exporting 400-1,000 images (or more) at a time. For me, my 13900K is faster than my 3070 in exporting, but the noise and power draw are much more tolerable on the 3070.
I have run my own benchmark. I was wrong by 80%. 101 .DNG Files to .JPEG 90% Quality (EOS R5 45MP 8192x5464) GPU Export I9 13900K RTX 3070 128 GB RAM TIME: 02:42:00 2 min 42 sec CPU Export I9 13900K RTX 3070 128 GB RAM TIME: 04:52:07 4 min 52 sec
I was kinda floored when my (very)[very]{very} old GTX 960 took around 8-10 minutes AI denoising one image from my R6MK2 in LRC, so I needed to actually decide which images gets the full treatment or not, and upon upgrading to the 7900xtx it does it in ~ 7 seconds, basically adding zero time to the workflow with pretty incredible results.
@@eyewitness4560 I am also thinking about an upgrade to a 7900xtx or 4080. But manly for the extra VRAM in gaming. 8GB is sometimes not enough. The extra export performance is a welcome benefit.
100% just got the NITRO is a very well built card in fact probably the best looking best built card out there. No joke. And I have a founders edition 4070 in my workstation my sons NITRO 7900XTX blows it away.
7900xtx almost was good and the 4090 is a bulldozer. The lack of RT or Path Tracing in AMD is what made me purchase a 2k water-cooled card. Can I play anything max? Yeppp... am I happy, yeppppp
You are missing the most important point. When your system starts to BSOD, crash or fail while using your AMD CPU/GPU, you're left scratching your head why this is happening, when the identical Intel/Nvidia system runs smooth as butter. Welcome to the real world of actual users using these products...
I'd choose the 7900 XTX where I live it's a 900 euro price difference plus no risk for melting power cables, the power connector is the weakest downside of the 4090 it's poorly designed and many cards after 1 year of use were returned due to melting power cable issues, NVIDIA should address this and not their hard working customers. NorthridgeFix repairs about 20 to 25 RTX 4090 & 4080 cards per week which are mainly issues due to the power connectors, the blame is on NVIDIA and not the customer, overall I am avoiding all RTX 40 series of cards, so in this kind of situation the 7900 XTX is the clear winner.
great video as usual, although wrt video, if you are editing 4:2:2 10-bit h.265 you want intel or the apple m-chip, not these cards, because only intel/apple support accelerated timeline decoding during playback, in that format... it's rather bizarre than both amd and nvidia have completely dropped the ball there... see the test results at puget systems, you won't get real-time playback in davinci nor premiere with these cards, their main benefit is with rendering on export.
@@plasmahvh yes, that's how i do it, an intel cpu with integrated video and a 4090 for gaming... davinci recognizes both, and assigns decoding/encoding tasks accordingly... if you are just shooting 4:2:0, i think that nvidia and maybe amd do support that in timeline playback, it's the 4:2:2 10-bit h.265 that's the problem.
Where is the gaming aspect of these top GPUs? Ray tracing, DLSS, FSR, FPS, etc.? Compare them in game play with newest UE5 games. I cannot justify the amount of money for any of these two cards and might wait for the next generation with hope that they’ll lower their prices so I can afford one. RX 7900 XTX is considerably worse in gaming than RTX 4090, but they use less power (better for your electricity bill) and the connectors don’t melt. On the other hand, AMD should keep improving their drivers, especially with 7000 series. My 2 cents
Good testing! However, I want to chip in a suggestion. What you can probably do better next time, when testing, is have a clean installation of each app(i.e a fresh installation of adobe apps, and etc.). That way, you can ensure that the configured settings for each app aren't affecting your testings/benchmarkings. I believe this may have affected your experience last time when you briefly switched to a 7900xt for content creation, as your apps are pre-configured to be maximized under an NVIDIA GPU setting, despite using DDU to eradicate driver issues.
Just a side note, an Amd vs Nvidia video sponsored by Amd? Kinda of weird...
FYI, I had already made this video before AMD reached out about Threadripper Sponsored integration. Parts of this video is sponsored by AMD not ALL of the video! :)
Hope this clarifies it a bit!
Cristal clear, i don`t agree with it but it`s just my 2cents. @theTechNotice
@@carrapice It really is not something that needs to be agreed with it seems that the review has nothing to do with the sponsor.
What i meant was that i don`t agree, it`s only my opinion on the subject and nothing more/less
Exactly
I own both and 7900xtx is great for video editing. 4090 is too obviously. But the 7900xtx is underrated and highly recommended from my perspective
Do you have any issue using 7900xtx in video? I’m afraid to get amd.
You do photo editing as well? Or just video?
@@guzwana477 I haven't had any issues. It works very well on Davinci Resolve. Not sure on premiere pro however
@@guzwana477 as long as u don't plan on streaming to services with no AV1 support and you don't plan on using AI or 3d rendering AMD cards are perfectly fine if not better for the price. they aren't bad for streaming just not ideal nvenc is still quite a bit better
@@plasmahvh thanks for the info, and yes, that AI thing. I saw some people complain about their AMD card having freeze screen when they using photoshop beta (AI) I belive.
I’m work with Adobe, photoshop, Lightroom, after effect and premiere. Not streaming so far and don’t have plan to do it.
do you have both cards? If so are they in the same pc or different?
For those not in the know AMD added blender support for their compute cards on Linux and is working with Valve to optimize their ray tracing on Linux while reworking how AMD cards calculate rays in general.
AMD and Valve both out here feedin' the people... open source buffet, rarely getting credit/a nod
I kinda hate valves guys...so f them but good job to amd. Ayn is also working close with AMD.
That'll be nice in the future. But right now they're firmly in 2nd place
@@didamnesia3575 tell us you don't fully utilize your 4090 without telling us you don't fully utilize your 4090....
Could you share the source please? I'm very interested.
Hell will freeze over before I give Nvidia $1000 for anything.
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"You either die the hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
This really fits NVIDIA to me after how fuckin good the 10 series GPUs were. They weren't gonna make the 1080ti mistake again.
I've been using my 7900XTX for about a week now for exactly these things except 3D. And I can personally say, it's shockingly good. Even stability wise.
Thank for the feedback, I'm aiming to buy this too.
No issue with the driver, yes?
AMD has always been the cards to let cook for a bit their driver improvements are always amazing.
So you mean they basically give you beta drivers and you have to wait for them to reach their full potential. I don’t know why people keep saying amd drivers are fine wine since it just sounds like cope. Just give me the fine wine performance at the beginning.
@@profesercreeperbecause they are still price to performance without the optimized drivers and if people get those GPUs they can optimize it better
@@ArdaU may be price to performance, but theyre buggy as heck and unusable in some instances at release, and even after a few months theres game-breaking bugs, or even productivity-breaking bugs with Premiere or Photoshop crashing or graphical glitches etc, i for one cant wait to switch to an RTX, finally moving to NVIDIA for the first time, ive had enough of Intel iGPUs and AMD GPUs already, both have terrible drivers at times (Intel all the time) and my friends with NVIDIA never have any kinds of issues, while i get all the stuttering and crashing in the world :(
@@EricPlayZ132 not all releases are buggy, this time it was better than nvidia imo, i got both. Its usually when they begin using a totally new architecture or feature that its buggy.
@@EricPlayZ132 The grass is always greener on the other side (literally), I've mostly used nvidia cards 970 > 1080ti > 3080 I switched to 7900xtx a few months ago and gforce experience in general isn't perfect (it feels like you're stuck in 2010 when you pull up nvidia control panel or gforce exp), shadow play does not like to save settings and compared to adrenaline and amd's screen capture, its way better and has more options. I mostly play video games though so when I crash I'm not sure if it's nvida's fault or the game's (I usually assume it's the game's fault form my experiences), nvida might've been more stable in the past from what I've heard, but my 7900xtx has been as stable as my previous cards. I do miss nvidia control panel though
The 7900 XTX is a really good video editing card but what’s surprising in my testing is (outside of GPU effects) just how close the 7800 XT gets in Premiere Pro and Resolve Studio performance. I would say it’s an even better value. :)
I disagree. Maybe, a 7900 XT is. The 7800 XT is only as good as 6800 XT performance in Blender. If your sole task is video editing and it's DR, then sure, it might be okay. I haven't found any Davinci Resolve benchmarks for the 7800 XT or Premiere Pro yet to confirm your findings. :)
Well, sadly im a 3D guy. AMD should do something about it.
Really appreciate what you do. Most people just want to look at gaming performance and barely anyone actually does these kind of comparisons for creators. Would you consider doing stable diffusion tests later on?
Hi! New to the channel!
4:03 PLEASE do not make percentages out of degrees. Temperature scales are arbitrary. If you convert C to K or F you're going to get completely different percentages. Percentages of Watt is perfectly fine as it's an absolute scale.
When you do percentages of performance and you use the "percent faster than" please write +xyz%. Nearly every other outlet uses "percent faster" (note the missing "than") which sets one as 100% and the other as the total (so 100 more than you listed). I did a couple of double-takes before I realised what you were doing.
It makes even less sense, because one product line or brand may tolerance more heat, than the other.
$1600 for a 4090?? Where... cheapest I've seen is $2000
Yep I'd actually like to know where they pay $1600 for a 4090. Those cheaper Zotacs sell for around $2000. And the Tuf gaming cards are even more.
I have owned a GTX 1070, GTX 1080, RTX 2070 Super, RTX 3080(10gb), and 2 months ago i bought my 1st amd card. I got the 7900xt Sapphire Nitro ➕️ and Im honestly shocked at how well it does in editing. Whenever im editing a video for my youtube channel, Im currently using Wondershare Filmora X, and the 7900 xt is very snappy on there. Maybe it's the 24 gigs of V ram but I almost didn't buy the 7900xt because all i kept hearing was how the RTX cards blow the AMD 7000 series out the water in editing. However, keep in mind I only use my gpu's for gaming and editing RUclips videos and when im editing my RUclips videos , I only use wondershare filmora x. Im not familiar with anything else.
I went from a 3070 to a 7900xtx, my first card had junction heat problems after 2 weeks. Ended up getting a better case and more case fans. It works fine now I've had it for 7 months now with no issues. Paired the card with the LG 45 ultrawide.
How is the performance compared to the 3070? Much better or little bit? And the 7900xtx works well with ultrawide ? Im getting the lg 45 ultrawide too, just need to decide between 7900xtx and 4090
@deyh5664 very big performance increase ! You can play anything on Max settings, I wanted a 4090 , I just didn't see a point of paying 700 more. Yes it works well with ultrawide, my 3070 worked great with My old Alienware 34 ultrawide. Once you play in ultrawide you won't go back to 16:9
@deyh5664 also I got My 7900xtx on sale from microcenter for around 900
went from Nvidia1080 ti to Amd 7900 xt, never been happier, this gpu is an absolute monster
I'm going from 1080 to a 7900xtx shows up in 2 days im hype
Think I'm be joining you guys using a gtx 1070 ATM
@@keterclassentity6716 i have 1080ti and finally getting xtx looks like all the 10 series soldiers are finally ready to upgrade lol
Pretty interesting to see this. I ended up buyting the 4090 mostly for 3D performance, but AMD is also cooking up some impressive stuff.
I'm owning an ASUS TUF RX 7900XTX for about half of year. I didn't notice any instability on my system. Even I was playing 8-10h the card behave smooth without issues.
My previous card was an EVGA RTX3080 and I swapped with AMD one now. Using both of them I can say that AMD drivers has a better integration with metrics and overclocking. For nVidia I had to use 3rd party tools like EVGA tool to do some additional configurations.
i got a 7900 XTX for flat and VR gaming (extra RAM, lower price) and couldn't be happier. Now I am building a video editing rig for my boss, for a new business and he has not decided if he wants to do 8k VR or 4k flatscreen. so researching videos like this one to help him pick the right tools. Thanks for this video!
7900XTX is insane in gaming if you set it up correctly + you get extra FPS if you got AMD CPU
This isn't related to gaming
I have a MSI RTX-4090 Suprim X, MSI RTX 3070, & a few AMD cards.
I also used to purchase AMD until I got sick of the drivers.
After I switched over to Nvidia, all my GPU stress went away.
I'll never do AMD anything again.
Intel & Nvidia all the way baby!
I want to upgrade for too long now and i was thinking to end up probably with a 4070ti, but now im really thinking 7900XTX is the only option, especially since they are about at the same price range!
Thanks for the very clarifying video!
I had the same considerations. I ended up with 4070 Ti for two reasons. 1) I bought 7900xtx first, but the card was faulty and had to be returned so I got bad customer experience which created distrust. 2) I wanted to keep gpu accelerated machine learning options open (I dabble in coding). Anyhow, I really wanted to like 7900xtx, but quality control just was not there yet.
@@InnocentiusLacrimosa Besides the bad quality/manufacturing process of 7900XTX and assume both were working OK, which one would you keep?
And if i may, which 7900XTX did you bought?
@@ZoaStousDromous Even though the 4070 Ti has been really good for me, I think it is seriously overpriced for what it is. It is a quality product that I feel bad for paying as much as it costs :-) Anyhow, if machine learning was no concern for me at all and I would get a good sample of 7900XTX - then that would be the obvious choice. I guess it will also age far better than 4070 TI will age.
My 7900XTX was the "default edition" with both the infamous vapor chamber issue and also perhaps power instability on top of that (I say "perhaps" because once I discovered the faulty vapor chamber, I did not want to spend a lot more time to troubleshoot the causes for the non-heat-caused instability also).
@@InnocentiusLacrimosa i see, i feel the same way about 4070ti, this is the main reason im still looking for alternative.
Thank you!
Bro I’ll advise you for that amount just get the xtx tbh I’m an nvidia fanboy and tbh I wouldn’t spend that much on a 4070ti when I have xtx the same price
I'm mainly editing photos and videos and this is why I chose to go for AMD for my money. Okay, I'm a generation behind with my RX 6800 XT (went for the Pro Edition drivers) but that's still a nice card both for those tasks and some gaming and it was cheaper for the performance offered than anything nVidia could offer at that price point. No 3D modeling for me but that's outside my knowledge anyway.
I have the 7900xtx (and a 4090) and I simply cannot record 4k with the 7900xtx in game video's with OBS without stutter. Period. I've tried every encoder, every work around, and spent many hours trying to solve this issue. Don't get me wrong, the 7900xtx is a beast of a card (for $800 less), and it PLAYS 4k games fine. But between the 4090 and the 7900xtx, while "playing" a game in 4k, with OBS, the 4090 records smooth frames and the 7900xtx has stutter in it. Now not "exactly" the same hardware, on the 7900xtx system, I have a 5800x3d with 64 GB of ram, and on the 4090 machine I have a 7800x3d with 64 GB of ram (both have Sony 990's for storage). I just wish the 7900xtx could record 4k and not stutter with OBS... niche use case, but at least worth mentioning.
Maybe the stutter is caused by the 8 core cpu. Have you tried using a 2 pc setup with one playing the game and the other running the stream and OBS?
@@b1g_j3rm46 That's the direction I am heading in now. Thanks so much for the feedback :)
sounds like an OBS issue. Does it still?
@@onomatopoeia162003 It shouldn't anymore. I had the same problem as @SpaceShortsYT with my 7900 XT, but eventually after a driver update, the AV1 encoder that kept getting choked above 100% usage at 4K just went under 90%. It now outputs 4K video just fine on OBS.
My 4080 outperforms the 7900xtx in gaming @ 4k and 8k resolution...AMD wins at 1080p gaming. Great job!!
I got a 7900xtx at lunch and its been great. Forgot to say damm that red devil looks amazing.
The main problem for AMD's AME (encode/decode cores) is still video quality per bitrate. They're the absolute worst quality for EVERY bitrate when you compare to Intel QS, nVidia or even Apple's M2.
You typically need about 20-25% more bitrate to get the same quality scores as the other brands. For AV1 and h265 exports the pecking order is still Intel, nVidia, Apple, Qualcom and at the very bottom - AMD.
If you don't care about image quality, or if you don't have encoding export bitrates constraints then fine. But on AMD based systems in professional circumstances I typically recommend to export projects at several hundred kB/MP/s and then to reencode the result on a render server with a software based solution like x265 or SVT-AV1
Interesting indeed, anyone else have to add to this? 🤔
@@theTechNotice Thats not what I found using AMD's AMF encoder, though that is via OBS in Linux. I wouldn't have thought that would make a difference.
Unless AMD's AMF encoder is something different to windows.
The AVC h264 is dogshit in AMD , but their h265 and AV1 Encoders seems to comparable to the ones in intel and nvidia gpus .
The 4090 is such a BEAST its insane.
AMD was never meant to compete with Nvidia when it comes to content creation. They have never had the edge and I don’t think they ever will. AMD should just be focused on at least being a good budget option for content creation. Which at the moment they are not. I would recommend a 3060…hell even a 3050 for a entry level content creator build.
Some strange percentage numbers
like on 11:07 u just look at % and think "oh its 2 times faster" (without looking at numbers) while when u see numbers u understand that its actually 3 times faster
Great content as always.
Why not also include 3D engineering benchmarks like SPECviewperf? It would be great!
better than captain america vs ironman fr
I've been a long proponent of AMD and it's exciting to see them starting to give NVidia a good run in the high end (if only AMD would go back to being the midrange king). So, as much as I want to love this video, I have to critique it as biased and unreliable.
As much as I want to believe and tout these benchmarks, it's hard to trust a video comparing two direct competitors when the video is being sponsored by one of the competitors. Any video comparing AMD vs. NVidia cannot be sponsored by either party, or they lose all of their credibility. This video is well made and the benchmarks are promising, but the AMD sponsorship takes out any reliability for me.
A 7900 XTX Red Devil for $900? Where? $1050 at Microcenter right now.
I too have the Zotac 4090 Airo and it doesn't disappoint, although the tail plastic on its end feels like toy plastic
fun fact, 4090 alone sold more than the entire amd 7000 series.
Link to actual sales numbers from NV and AMD ?
I am a gamer but at the same time, machine learning engineer, I have no choice but go with Nvidia GPU.
7900 XTX user here. Lightroom Classic often will eat the whole 24GB of cards VRAM and won't release it, resulting in stutters, lag etc. Only restart of the program helps. Anyone else noticed this behavior? Is it the same on nvidia?
I bought this card specifically so I don't have problems with insufficient memory and i'm feeling somewhat bamboozled. I've had this card for about half a year and it has always been like that, with heavier workloads.
The 7900 XTX Blender performance is nowhere near the 4090 either with or without HIP-RT. But at least with HIP-RT is is 11-31% faster on those benchmarks scenes than in the normal benchmark scores.
Great test. Could you test the rx7700xt/7800xt vs rtx4060ti/4070 and lower too. Would be interesting to see how drivers and optimizations improve AMD and how it stacks up with the cheaper cards and if it is still worth paying more for Nvidia for creators. Also curious if AMD's IGPU improve performance now like Intel quick sync after the new optimizations from AMD. Keep up the great content.
Wow. You don't ask for much. How much $$$ are you going to pay for this additional testing? LOL
Nvidia stans "but the AMD drivers!!!" 😂
I would rock AMD for the price, but with my profession (3D animation and Visual effects) there are some programs that we use that require CUDA cores to even get the program open. I found that out when I was first starting out years ago and thought I didn't need a GPU to use a certain animation software.... I ended up with my first GPU then, lol. I think it all comes down to intent. Gaming, work, or creative.
3D animation and Visual effects does this apply to Maya, Houdini, katana, Nuke, Zbrush Mamoset Toolbag and their renderers as well? Thanks! I need to make sure I get the correct GPU for the 3D industry. Thanks!
I'm sad to say so, but for productivity, there's only Nvidia.
AMD have been sleeping on the side for many years, and only focused on gaming. It seems like they're waking up, but it will be years before various software will support AMD.
I wanted so bad for my next GPU to be an AMD, but had to go for Nvidia... again!
We need the competition, like really bad. The price difference says it all.
What GPU did he get? (i is used for 3D animation and visual effects)
Will be interesting to do a retest when devs will optimize their software to work with ROCm now that it's available on Windows for RDNA 2 & 3 GPUs.
Used both blindly and 4090 is the superior card however for real price difference the nvidia isnt $500.00 better so being almost $700.00 more is absurd.
People will pay a lot for 4090 because of AI applications.
I got the RD LE RX 7900 XTX and totally in love with it! Jump from an RX 6900 XT and then a RTX 4070 ti. By far the RX 7900 XTX was the best choice.
You making me feel ever better about my 7900xtx purchase
Crazy, almost all benchmarks out there (that I've watched today, roughly 11 including this one), the 4090 was just infinitely better than the XTX for everything creative (and gaming but not the reason I'm looking). Think I might get the 4090, as on average it's 36% stronger than the XTX for all content creation work and most specifically Photoshop/Premiere, since they're heavily supported by CUDA (nvidia shading unit tech).
Edit: For the reason mentioned directly above, this video is just outright bias, because of the CUDA support, Adobe products are just always better on Nvidia cards, everyone knows this.
Nvidia rtx 4090 better than AMD gpu if you are a hard core gamer just gaming go with the amd gpu I like doing both gaming and creation transcoding Nvidia is the way to go
Having both, i can honestly say that a lot of the software is optimized for Nvidia.
To people here,
If you go nvidia and you have the money 4090, if you want value 7900xtx.
I have both, an all white 4090 pc, and a all black asus 7900xtx build.
The 4080 is over priced, but i can see if you pref it its okay and trades blows with the 7900xtx.
4070ti is a scam, the vram will be an issue as time goes on, though its as good as a 3090ti.
The 4090 is def my perferred, but i can play my 7900xtx build and im more than happy at 4k.
We are in a generation that the price to performance is not value oriented anymore. Remember the jump from 9series to the 10? It lasted 3 years longer than it needed to be, and they dont want that again.
The XTX is my daily driver for gaming and video editing as well as running a personal LLM, and I don't regret it at all.
thank you this is exactly what I needed whenever I look up 7900 XTX versus the 4090 everyone has benchmarks on gaming and not necessarily video and photo applications. Great job. You definitely solidified my purchase decision.
Honestly what I mostly feel is that if Blender/3D apps had the same support for HIP/ROCM that they have for CUDA, the XTX would just trounce the competition.
But as usual Nvidia's software was there first, and got service first. AMD's HW is great, it's the SW that so often just does not follow up well enough.
I would buy 7900XTX in a heart beat BUT since I mostly work with 3D apps and rendering I have to go with 4090 unfortunately. I am literally getting forced to buy nvidia at this point >_
The amd card for your application is the ws pro cards. They are specially designed for that application. I want one but the price point is also very pro oriented.
No one can blame you, it's pretty well known without CUDA or optix some people are forced to stay with nvidia.
@@harryniedecken5321 the newest one is like the W7900 with like 48gb
I bought XTX, but only because I use Linux, so I had no other choice.
Great video. Honestly I think Nvidia really need to step up on the encoders because Intel and AMD are the ones making bigger strides in that area lately.
I think they're going all in on AI at this point.
I can't afford either. I'm sticking with my 3060 12 Gb for now.
Consider this... On Linux, because of the drivers, recent benchmarks show that on Linux Nvidia is about 10% slower than Windows... but AMD has been reported as 17% faster (both averaged over 10+ games)... so, it could be that if you're using these cards on Linux, the AMD might get a 27% boost over the benchmarks made on Windows... !!!!
😮!!!👍🏻
This is an interesting suggestion. I use linux, which makes me want to get an AMD. But, I want to start doing some 3D stuff on Blender, which makes me want to get Nvidia.
I'm using Davinci Resolve 18 Free on my Win11 system with Ryzen 3700X, RTX 2060 6GB, 32GB RAM, and two M2. 1TB drives (Samsung 970 evo plus). Timeline performance is OK when using proxies, but the time to render proxy FHD/final 4K is a bit slow.
What is the best upgrade path for 500 EUR/USD? Gfx card, CPU or Studio version of DR18? Can I even get 50% or more reduced rendeingtime for 500 bucks? .. scratching my head here.
11:08 And that's why, as a 3D animator, I use Nvidia GPUs, AMD has nothing to do with the 3D environment.
Yea that is a pretty big difference but from the perspective of not being able to even fit a scene into the gpu because of not enough vram the AMD card looks pretty good still with 20gb for $800. Really wish they would just dump a billion dollars into getting ROCM together already
@@user-mt9jp8jz6q I got your point, I think that 24GB of VRAM can be good for some scenarios, but I'm of those people who thinks that is important to optimize your scene.
I don't know, I don't want to trust my money to AMD on 3D. I have the 4070Ti and I'm very satisfied.
Is amd card good for Blender or Arnold/vray renders? I've read on the internet that applications are more optimized for Nvidia cards.
Did you even watch the results in the video? If you use Windows, the video answers your question. On Linux, AMD is usually the best brand to go with. I had driver issues almost everyday with Nvidia on Linux Mint.
Not only is AMD hitting this side of GPU usage. But more software is being developed and creating utilizing more of amd hardware just like Nvidia has had for some time, being the commercial leader. For now.
I just can't get over the price to go NVIDIA. I can build around the AMD card and save so much and only have to give up the ray tracing quality and superior FPS of the 4090. Not worth an extra $600 if you ask me.
I have a 4070 I use for Auto Fusion CAD I feel it’s better in those areas but I just built a new system for my son using the AMD NITRO 7900XTX on a Asus ROG E670 using an AMD 7950X3D CPU. That thing is a beast! Benchmarks crush my 4070 and it rips games like nothing I’ve ever seen. I’m shocked how far they have come. Both are amazing but for the price look at the AMD NITRO 7900XTX is overclocked more (crashed on a 850 PSU now solid on a 1000 watt PSU), but with his new build it’s never crashed once running at 5.3ghz CPU and 6000mhz RAM. I can’t get over how well the AMD software has made the hardware better. Using AI for over clocking simply amazing.
The 4090 has NO BUSINESS being at parity with the xtx
From what I recall. The drivers eventually help beat the 3090. From the 6950XT.
Didnt AMD leave the high end GPU market now? There will be no competition :(
I'm one of the douchebags who pay more than $2k to put their hands on a 4090 and bought at the same time a 7900XTX to play with. RTX is a total monster and nails the 7900xtx but the difference between both doesn't worth $800 as the AMD is very good.
Don't let the Ngreedia fans that run Toms Hardware see this, they will have a heart attack if someone dares saying anything negative about their favorite brand Ngreedia 😂
Great video.
I have the 7900xtx for a 3months now. I have had no issues what's so ever. I would recommend getting a high end Power supply 850 -1000watt. Mine 850watt platinum. Don't be cheap when buying a PSU :D
It's January 27th, 2024, Nvidia Super series has launched with their RTX 4070 Super and it OK but Nvidia will be releasing several RTX 4080 Super GPU's January 31st 2024, thats including today 5 days from now. Myself I decided to on the RTX 4090. If the RTX 4080 Super is realy good I'll return the RTX 4090. And an Nvidia 4080 Super is priced at $999.99, half what a RTX 4090 sells for. As for the AMD 7900XTX there are several models worth noting one being a ASRock 7900XTX Taichi and Sapphire Nitro 7900XTX have latest GPU driver support "Adrenalin 24.1.1"appears to help AMD 7000 and 6000 series GPU's also. So it appears to be a plus for AMD Graphics.
01:36 That's actually just dishonest nVidia marketing. Since Ampere, they've been marketing cards as having double the actual CUDA core count. The 4090 has 8192 CUDA cores. Each one has one ALU capable of only FP32, and one capable of either INT32 or FP32.
With RDNA 3, AMD has basically the same setup, but they report the actual stream processor count. Each stream processor has two FP32-capable ALU's, where one is also used for INT32 calculations - just as with nVidia. If AMD lied about their stats like nVidia, the 7900 XTX would have 12,288 "shading units".
In games, on the order of 25% of that extra FP32 capacity is accessible, though it varies quite a bit from one game to the next. For a dedicated compute load, you can probably get a lot more utility out of that extra FP32 capability, provided you're not using the card for any integer math. AMD hasn't had quite as much success with their dual-issue, seeming to be at about the 20% mark on average.
That's why the 6950 XT with 5120 stream processors (and no dual-issue FP32 capability) was about the same speed as the 3090 Ti, which had "10752" CUDA cores. The reality is it has 5376 CUDA cores and dual-issue FP32, giving it a roughly effective shader count of 5376 * 1.25 = 6720. When you calculate the TFLOPs based on that, using actual clock speeds, you get the 3090 Ti having about 5% more compute than the 6950 XT in games at 4K, where it had a roughly 5% FPS advantage.
If you do a similar metric comparison between the 7900 XTX and 4090, you get the latter having about 45% more compute in games. It doesn't actually achieve that in game performance. It's actually quite lackluster in converting its raw compute into gaming performance. It has about 102% more compute than the 3090 Ti, but only manages to be about 65% faster in games.
Based on price alone, would you get better bang for the buck by purchasing 2 (two) 7900xtx and enabling mgpu? The cost of two regular 7900xtx is virtually equivalent to a single upper tier 4090? Thoughts? Are you able to try that experiment?
Interesting point! :)
@@theTechNotice - you would need an x670e mb due to the need for pci-e lanes. Or a workstation such as the sage series
@@astro-canuck Hi, i would like to know if the vram would be doubled if you do this in blender, since the 4090 has no nvlink for some reason?
@@CallOfCranK - that is the crux of my question. Would enabling mgpu with two lower tier graphics cards be as efficient as a single 4090 in applications that utilize vram, or shader cores, etc. efficiently.
Xtx has 2018 ray tracing performance, much slower gddr6 memory totally worth twice the cost on a 4090 trust me
I got the 7900XTX (Asrock Taichi OC edition) since I'm sick and tired of NVidias proprietary drivers on Linux. The Mesa drivers for the AMD 7900XTX are performing excellent, both in games and various other applications - very happy with it.
Any relation between the drivers and the incident that happened at Black Mesa all those years ago?
nvidia is better for creators. period. at least if you work in 3d, you can only go with nvidia. and to be honest everything apart from 3d isn't so dependent on the graphics card. mayyyyybe video editing, but not that much.
Nvidia stopped production on the 4080 & 4090. First the 4080 most unsold GPU of theirs yet. They couldn’t keep up with the 4090 demand as it sold out. Then with Chips Act they move much of their GPU chips production on data centers AI markets and force as much stock focusing on Chinese market before the November 17th Chios Act blockage. Now they have already moved their assembly out of China to other Asian countries. Supra chips will be focused for most of the next year. Not sure how much more of 4090 will they do. As already seeking 5000 series production. You see what’s left of 4090 shrinking stock keep increasing above $2k prices.
Also the AMD cards great value for non Ray Traced gaming. Not so good for over clocking but neither is the 4000 series.
It’s be easier to get AMD cards or overpriced 4080s. The 4080 Supra is expected to be 5% under the 4090. Since more people tend under clock the 4090. If the 4080 Supra card has improved connections hdmi/displayport and much improved power plug. The 4080 Supra might be the better card for most high refresh 4k gamers. Till that 5000 series launch. 🤔
I bought a sapphire nitro+ vaporx 7900xtx. It's a beast. I have had issues here and there with drivers. I'm running a 7950x3d on a b650 e-f motherboard. In general I'd recommend it, but driver updates are a must. At one point windows released an update and without the amd update the computer would hard crash within a couple of minutes. AMD's continued updates are a must. If you don't mind tinkering and don't really care about Ray tracing that much, the 7900xtx is ideal.
Wow......comare 4070/4070ti/4080 vs 7800/7700xt.... Video editing and ed performance
Nice comparison 👍 Make an updated video suggesting a specific build for each budget 🤗
Do you can hel pme in the choice for da vinci resolve? 4070 12gb vs 7800xt 16gb OC
I'll take the 4090 anyday as I do everything in 4k as I don't even waste my time with 1080P or 1440p. Also, if I don't want to use all the gimmicky fake frame rates the 4090 gives me the extra power that I need if I just want raw 4K.
Hello, I'm a GPU rendering developer since 13 years, just wanted to mention that Windows Task Manager is useless for measuring actual GPU usage. And Photoshop benchmarks, what? Threadripper is necessary? Respectfully disagree...
So you actually state that for the Blender test the Nvidia card is three times faster but the percentage is 234% ??? How did you end up with that number??
I sold my Nitro 7900 XTX for a 4080 and couldn't be happier. Ultra RT at 1800p, 60FPS in Phantom Liberty!!!
so i'm in doubt as to whether to buy the ZOTAC Gaming GeForce RTX 4080 Super AMP Extreme AIRO DLSS 3 16GB or PowerColor Red Devil AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24GB, help please, the focus is video editing in After Effects and Premiere Pro.
RTX 4080 super if you are only gonna use it for that and you don't care about paying the extra money.
I would still pick the red devil but im biased having a red devil 6900xt.
I saw alot of reviewers recommending to amd gpu but using nvidia gpu in their main pc and daily driver
For a LRC benchmark, you can select 50-100 and do a denoise on all of them, stop the time and show the performance (You dont have to do it 5 times per card ;)). Also, the export time is really interesting (especially for timelapsers and wedding photographers) who are exporting 400-1,000 images (or more) at a time.
For me, my 13900K is faster than my 3070 in exporting, but the noise and power draw are much more tolerable on the 3070.
I have run my own benchmark. I was wrong by 80%.
101 .DNG Files to .JPEG 90% Quality (EOS R5 45MP 8192x5464)
GPU Export I9 13900K RTX 3070 128 GB RAM TIME: 02:42:00 2 min 42 sec
CPU Export I9 13900K RTX 3070 128 GB RAM TIME: 04:52:07 4 min 52 sec
I was kinda floored when my (very)[very]{very} old GTX 960 took around 8-10 minutes AI denoising one image from my R6MK2 in LRC, so I needed to actually decide which images gets the full treatment or not, and upon upgrading to the 7900xtx it does it in ~ 7 seconds, basically adding zero time to the workflow with pretty incredible results.
@@eyewitness4560 I am also thinking about an upgrade to a 7900xtx or 4080. But manly for the extra VRAM in gaming. 8GB is sometimes not enough. The extra export performance is a welcome benefit.
@@maxh3539 Which one did you get?
@@maxh3539 7900xtx(24GB VRAM) vs 4080(16GB VRAM) I guess it's easy choice
Next time, try the 7900XTX Nitro :) It's got a higher TDP and the build quality is far superior.
100% just got the NITRO is a very well built card in fact probably the best looking best built card out there. No joke. And I have a founders edition 4070 in my workstation my sons NITRO 7900XTX blows it away.
7900xtx almost was good and the 4090 is a bulldozer. The lack of RT or Path Tracing in AMD is what made me purchase a 2k water-cooled card. Can I play anything max? Yeppp... am I happy, yeppppp
How do they compare for Machine Learning? That’s what matters now.
You are missing the most important point.
When your system starts to BSOD, crash or fail while using your AMD CPU/GPU, you're left scratching your head why this is happening, when the identical Intel/Nvidia system runs smooth as butter. Welcome to the real world of actual users using these products...
That Zotac's design is peak Y2k aesthetic.
I think for 3D work, you can get a 3090 for the same price as 7900xtx
I'd choose the 7900 XTX where I live it's a 900 euro price difference plus no risk for melting power cables, the power connector is the weakest downside of the 4090 it's poorly designed and many cards after 1 year of use were returned due to melting power cable issues, NVIDIA should address this and not their hard working customers.
NorthridgeFix repairs about 20 to 25 RTX 4090 & 4080 cards per week which are mainly issues due to the power connectors, the blame is on NVIDIA and not the customer, overall I am avoiding all RTX 40 series of cards, so in this kind of situation the 7900 XTX is the clear winner.
great video as usual, although wrt video, if you are editing 4:2:2 10-bit h.265 you want intel or the apple m-chip, not these cards, because only intel/apple support accelerated timeline decoding during playback, in that format... it's rather bizarre than both amd and nvidia have completely dropped the ball there... see the test results at puget systems, you won't get real-time playback in davinci nor premiere with these cards, their main benefit is with rendering on export.
can't u just get an intel cpu integrated gpu to deal with the timeline? quicksync it's called right?
@@plasmahvh yes, that's how i do it, an intel cpu with integrated video and a 4090 for gaming... davinci recognizes both, and assigns decoding/encoding tasks accordingly... if you are just shooting 4:2:0, i think that nvidia and maybe amd do support that in timeline playback, it's the 4:2:2 10-bit h.265 that's the problem.
@@DragRacingTV yeah from what ive heard, intel igpus are basically a must for quicksync
What about stability of both GPUs in DR and PP??
Pity AMD never aimed their 7900xtx to compete with the 4090.
Where is the gaming aspect of these top GPUs? Ray tracing, DLSS, FSR, FPS, etc.? Compare them in game play with newest UE5 games.
I cannot justify the amount of money for any of these two cards and might wait for the next generation with hope that they’ll lower their prices so I can afford one.
RX 7900 XTX is considerably worse in gaming than RTX 4090, but they use less power (better for your electricity bill) and the connectors don’t melt. On the other hand, AMD should keep improving their drivers, especially with 7000 series.
My 2 cents
I have a water cooled 7900xtx and it's rock solid. Thanks for the video.
All i ever hear about AMD gpus are "drivers" "drivers" "drivers"
Good testing! However, I want to chip in a suggestion. What you can probably do better next time, when testing, is have a clean installation of each app(i.e a fresh installation of adobe apps, and etc.). That way, you can ensure that the configured settings for each app aren't affecting your testings/benchmarkings. I believe this may have affected your experience last time when you briefly switched to a 7900xt for content creation, as your apps are pre-configured to be maximized under an NVIDIA GPU setting, despite using DDU to eradicate driver issues.