The BEST HUNTING ARROW?
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Not gonna lie, I’ve been binge watching the hunting videos getting pumped up for hunting season.
Same
Yep I know the feeling
Same
Yo me to bro
So excited!!
Best part of this video is that you aren't just buying the most expensive arrows out there. You are honest and reasonable. Almost like you are a normal person. Appreciate it man. 😂
Not sure I should be the one to tell you this but he is a normal person, you know; one brain, two arms, two legs, eyes, ears, one nose mouth, etc. by all metrics or measurements that makes him a normal person.
I heard he has 3 legs
@@benaustin272 His third leg helps him with his accuracy.
It’s his stabilization method that goes unspoken in their inner circle
The best arrows to hunt with are the ones you're currently using.
I started with the Bass Pro store brand X3 Hunter 340 refletched 4" plastic, 100gr field tips.
The arrows are made by Gold Tip. After several months of practice I used the same arrows for hunting. I swapped the field tips for the 100gr G5 Montec broadhead.
I went to that first hunt with every confidence I had in those arrows when I went to the range to practice.
So no, I don't use different arrows for hunting or practice. The arrows tend to behave differently going from field tip to broadheads but that's expected.
I don't sweat different brands of arrows or tips. I chose one and stayed with it until I got it down.
I learned from rifle hunting that if you stress over one brand of ammo and bullet style over another you'll second guess every decision you've made or will make.
I thought I needed the Hornady SST ballistic tip ammo at $45/box precovid now I shoot consistent groups with the $19/box precovid American Whitetail SP flat base out to 300 yards.
There's a reason why Remington SP flat based Core-Lokt ammo has been around for over 80 years. It's basically tried and true and lethal out to 400 yards.
I am no longer seduced by marketing or hype. I learned not to buy expensive ammo and I've never bought expensive arrows or broadheads.
It's not the bow, arrow or broadheads it's the man drawing the bow string confident in his ability and equipment no matter how much he spent.
Love the TKO series! I shot the VAP SS for a while, but decided to get back to a standard diameter and am using the VF TKO. Fantastic shafts! 300 spine, 445 grains total with the stock 22 grain insert and 125 grain heads.
Awesome opinion on arrow builds, I am in the middle of building my final hunting arrows now and this content gives me a few things to consider. I tend to build a much too heavy front forward arrow for the white tail I chase here in New York.
The best segment of this video ...was the truth and pure honest advise ..... shoot n practice :) good on you Chris :)
Thanks Chris for another great video. I enjoy all your videos because everything you do in your videos helps this old man hunt better even if I don’t hunt with a compound. I hunt with a recurve and may not need all the info, but a lot can still be used for my type of hunting.
Chris…thanks for a common, no nonsense arrow build video. Like you said “it’s personal choice”, but I am so tired of everyone saying heavy is the only way. As you say shoot what you know works for you and your equipment. Thanks again. Keep up the good work.
If you shoot short known distance shots heavy is totally the way. If you are out west or have farm land and are reaching out there 40+ then absolutely no need to go as heavy as what ranch fairy is for hogs
This is a great video man! Very informative for guys just starting to build their own arrows. Having the same issue with my FMJs, such a hassle to fine tune everything just right. Good stuff man, keep em' coming!
I switched to the Victory VAP Elite arrow last year. I used the Black Fusion glue and it worked like a champ! I usually use some sort of gun cleaning brass bristled bore cleaner brush to rough up the inside of the arrow shaft then some sort of scratch pad to rough up the outside of the arrow then clean it with isopropyl alcohol then use the black fusion glue (shake well) and I havent have any outserts pull out. Ive used the gorilla super glue on my blazers for several years and it works really well! ...I tried out the TAC vanes last season and used the prime pen and glue and those also adhear really well ......I really enjoy your videos so keep them coming. Ive hunted Kansas for years and really enjoyed your walk in Kansas hunt where you took a GIANT! . Good luck this season!
Someone as successful as you have been and the experience you have accumulated sure gives weight to your setup shortcuts and thoughts on reliability and over thinking the technical aspects of archery...and it was just great. I have experimented the arrow builds also with 200 to 340 spines and weights 440 to 725g. I do like how dead the bow feels on the heavier arrows but doubt I will put any more time into that pursuit. Love the adventure, keep it up, I bet your dad is very proud of your channel.
I needed this today! Been working on my setup for this season too and have been overcomplicating it. Thanks Chris!
The more complicated, the more time you have into it and you learn more. And it forces you to practice more. That's my take on it. If you don't want to, or have the time to spend on building arrows, keep it simple. Nothing wrong with that! Cheers!
Outstanding, I've been fletching my own arrows for both hunting and competition for years! I've done that individual tune single bevel stuff years ago. This video was HONEST no HYPE, SPOT ON! Great Job!
Thanks for doing this video. It helped me confirm that my arrow setup is right where it should be for whitetail hunting here in South Carolina
Straight talk arrows with Chris Bee. I appreciate your honesty here. Build an arrow, don’t over think it, send it and be confident. Totally agree.
Thanks for getting me grounded again with a basic arrow set up. I have been watching to much social media stuff and second guessing everything that has worked so well for me over the years.
Love it. I’ve been waiting for this video. Excited to get into building my own arrows
Amen to the blazer vane adhesion,tried the TAC vanes on my last set up and they are definitely a much more difficult product to use
When it comes to the tip and tail, I've started using UV resin that I use for fly tying and it works great
Thanks Chris! Yea, I'm totally with you as for board. Can't Fletcher fast enough! I use cue tips to clean with. Also, I'm trying the new TAC vanes! Beautiful vanes but a S.O.B. to get to stick and yes I bought the pen and super glue! They say don't use any other glue except there's but I went to bohning super glue and it worked. I'm just telling you so if you ever try it .... Good luck!!!!
Very cool to see you picking out Victory as your go to.
That is the newer G5 squaring tool, there was indeed an older version.
Excellent video. I just started archery and can't wait to start building my own arrows.
Perfect timing for this video, Ive been looking into switching arrows. What are the odds you ship me a few of the arrows you didn't go with? Lol, dope video chris!
I just bought a dozen RIP TKO's for an upcoming elk hunt pairing them with a 100g Muzzy 3 Blade fixed. I can't wait it should be fun! Thanks for sharing! 👍
Victory are amazing arrows. My number one arrow and my go to arrow. Second favorite is black eagles renegade 5mm. Great stuff!
I shot the 5mm Easton ACC Hunting shafts for years. About 3 years ago I started shooting the Victory VAP TKO's with the heavy 95 grain steel outserts/inserts. I found the shafts where tougher than the components. The next year I switched to the Valkyrie components. @ that time the outsert was just 50 grains but I had all my points & broadheads with the 210 grain Viking Centerpin system & that Victory component problems went away. This year I tweaked it a little with the 22 grain Valkyrie outsert on a few shafts I made from scratch. The arrow setup was about 35 grains lighter with the 4 fletch pattern low profile vane which steers the setup fine. Not a problem with the tuning. I have taken the V6 TKO's made from shafts & used the squaring tool which has given the arrow a higher tolerance. The advantages with this arrow setup is primarily going to shine with a whitetail 🌳 Hunting scenario. But I think it's better if u have a 30" to 31" draw length. The speed u lose will more than make up for it with the accuracy u get. If u need a stiffer spine w/o the weight of a TKO u can always try making up a set of the Blackeagle X-Impact's that u can get in a 250 spine. As of a year ago u weren't able to get a TKO stiffer than a 300 spine. The jury is still out whether it can match the durability of the VAP TKO's which is going to be hard to beat but the X-Impact's have the same tight tolerance on all the shafts they offer so that's a bonus 👍.
That was the realist video iv seen you do In a long time. Keep it up !
I love how you're so honest! I figured you were sponsored Easton so that would be your pick! Good job Chris!
I was running the VAP TKO years ago. Glad to see they've caught on!!!
Great video as usual, would love it if you did a video on broadhead tuning? I can't seem to get my broadheads to fly consistently. Especially fixed blade.
Can’t wait to see the Moose hunt dude! I personally shoot the Victory VAP TKO Elite’s for hunting out west, and really enjoy the performance, very durable as well. Awesome video once again.🤙🏽🤙🏽🐝
I was just thinking about this! Thanks!
Such a helpful video. What is the difference between a left wing, right wing, and straight fletching jig?
Kinetic pierce platinum fan here. Used them after pro hunter xt and I like them a lot. Hard to switch when something works well.
I agree. I tried Easton, AAE , Vanetec and some noname brands. Only fletchings that really stuck are Bohning vanes. Rest will fall off after a couple of dozen shots.
I'm shooting the 300sp 5mm fmjs out of my V3 and they are pretty damn accurate I'm not using a fixed blade or single bevel and I just went with the basic insert they come with but they seem to be doing pretty good and honestly don't seem that slow at 70lbs
Chris, have you noticed any difference in consistency when taking arrow building to the extreme? For example: squaring both ends of the arrows and weighing all components to build arrows that all weigh within a half a grain or so of one another? I have always been curious if higher-caliber archers and professionals could tell a difference. Like you said, for average archers such as myself the shooter is the biggest variable by far.
Mark those arrow ends with a silver sharpie before squaring them. You'd be surprised how much it takes to get all the silver sharpie off.
Also don't forget the nock end. They're never square from the factory
For a 70lb compound my go-to standard arrow for hunting is a 350sp arrow with 150gn up front (total) all up weighing 435gn - almost identical to what you're running (just a different shaft).
Trust me, it'll work.
Hi Chris. Great video. On your target arrows do you cut both ends of the arrows or do you just build and shoot? Thanks 😊
So you're sponsored by victory now too? lol A nice little trick for the lighted knocks is you take some heavy gauge wire that fits inside the regular knocks. cut little piece of wire and weigh the knock with it and keep cutting it till you get the same weight as the lighted knock. Then a little dab of super glue to hold the piece of wire in the knock and you have consistent weight in practice arrows and hunting arrows... Great video!
Just found you! Love your videos. You have a gift to teach. Loved your moose hunt!!!🇺🇸
I like the little ez fletch I think aae makes it, thinking about trying the tac vanes I've heard they are super stiff ..cool video
Curious to hear your “cons” on the heavier arrow. I have a rather long draw at 31.5”, I shoot kinetic kaos 250 spines with a 125gn swhacker broadhead. Total arrow weight is 565gn, shoot 280 fps. I know that with a 460gn arrow I shot 318, but the heavy setup is giving me killer pass throughs on all the whitetail I’ve shot. Not questioning your opinion in any way, you are a pro and I’m just a country boy, but would love to see you compare the two different builds.
Nice video Chris! Thanks 👍
Hey Chris. Do you think the direction you tie the D loop effects the natural rotation left or right as much as the twist of the string? Thanks for all the good videos.
Personal preference is key. I help buddies with arrows and such and try not to push them into any direction except practice, practice, practice. I do like 460-520gr range, obviously depending on the person. I shoot 520gr with single bevel and am comfortable out to 50 yards. And I'll only take a shot that far if everything lines up perfectly. And I disagree that your heavy two blade single bevel will go through a shoulder. With the right broadhead that will happen. Just ask Iron Will Bill. I'm not saying people should try and go through a shoulder but knowing you have the power to does open more shot selections. But yes, those two blades do take time tuning. But with that comes the necessary practice which is good. Thanks for the video!
Totally agree on the weight Chris! Also not a fan of hunting with lighted nocks for hunting! They have more possibility for failure and throw off FOC!
Durability on the Victory arrows are phenomenal! Good choice!
Great vid Chris! Love the camera man pointing at the scale. LOL
Lol, and here I am shooting my whitetail with 652gn, 200sp, single bevel fixed blade from tuffhead. 350gn total upfront with a 20% FOC. Pass through every time and cuts through bone too. But shoot whatever you’re confident in people! The only thing I’d scream all day is a tough, fixed blade ultra sharp broadhead. Most important thing.
Please keep us updated on the potential accuracy difference between the V6 (Sport) and V1 (Elite) arrows. Seems most people would not be able to tell a difference, but I am curious if the additional cost of the Elite is justifiable.
If your arrow length is 29" or less buy the v6 or v3 option and cut from both ends. You usually end up with a v1 when said and done.
I totally agree with your arrow builds but hunting style makes me tend to go with a heavier more weight forward setup with fixed blades for bow driving and ground hunting .awkward quartering angles and more frontal shots heavy helps
my v3x 29 at 28.5 inches and 77 pounds slings 550 grains 276 fps they fly like darts if I do my part. easiest arrow ive ever tuned or rather got to fly good with a tuned bow. love the content thx...cant wait for the new release as well
The rut can’t come soon enough! Can’t wait for your fall videos
I still shoot Easton bloodline 400 and 480 with my Bear legion 60lb. .100 grain practice tips. After seeing you videos I got the fever. Amazing how out of shape I have became. Practice practice practice. Thanks
I shot that arrow all of last year and have had no problems with them whatsoever. They fly great and are reasonably priced compared to others. Only problem is the availability of them, sometimes very hard to find.
Victory are a tough arrow. The carbon weave does help the durability of the arrow. I did notice that the Easton are straighter than the victory but I like both arrows. My 4mm Easton's have been very durable as well.
Do you notice any difference in right or left helical? I know they say a lot of bows throw the arrow at a left helical. But I’ve also heard people say that left helical will lossen your broadheads. I shoot left helical with my field points.
I started shooting them this year too and love them
Would the western 4mm set up still work with the shorter fletchings or does the longer fletching help over longer distances? I would of thought longer distance my mean more wind to encounter and smaller fletchings may help that.
Those outserts look so much easier than the hit inserts. Been shooting fmjs for a long time but want to try the vaps
What do you use to get the vanes off the arrows. I have several tools made specifically for removing vanes and they still somewhat destroy the arrows. As far as super glueing the inserts I stoped doing that. I’m not perfect at getting my vanes lined up with the broadheads so I always seem to have to try and twist the insert and when I super glued them they just ended up drying to fast. I ended up putting a drillbit inside my arrow and shake it almost like a slide hammer in order to knock the insert out. You always seem to have great tips and what I like most about this channel versus other great bow channels is you mainly do your setups for whitetail in the Midwest. The other good channels are geared more towards elk hunting. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and love of archery. I do wish you was posting more videos though. I can never get enough and it seems I’m always learning something new every day. Thank you again.
Love the vids mate, down in Aussie, everything seems to be viewed in a different way..
Interested in your poundage and draw length that you are shooting to be able to run 350sp?
If you will trim both ends of the v6’s, they will usually be as straight as the v1’s. The V1 has a 0.001 straightness. The v6 has a 0.006 straightness. However, the abnormality is usually on the ends. So if you trim a little off both ends of the v6, you usually
Get the bends and they will usually pass as a V1. Just a tip to save some money. The v1,v3, and v6 come from the same runs. They separate when they check the straightness at the plant.
Its nice to know that even though right now i am shooting a slow bow, Im not the only one in that weight range....this season i was shooting 440gr arrows and I will be repeating that weight next season with more FOC hopefully.
Ranch fairy and ashby guys heads are about to explode.
Right on,, I’ve been shooting Rip TKO’s for a while now and I can honestly say you’ll never be let down,, but don’t always trust the spine alignment 🤙
I was at the Ultraview event in Austin Tx and saw Chris shoot a steel target with this arrow and it was completely fine after a few simple repairs! Definitely a good arrow
I shoot the Victory VAP TKO Elites. Awesome arrows, and like you said in the video, durable as all hell. $20 an arrow does sting though.
I’ve found the Bohning tower jig to be really easy to fletch with. You can glue and fletch all three vanes at the same time. I’ve had nothing but great results with mine.
My first time using, I found myself using too much glue with it, but I think that’s just part of the learning curve. Since the jaws move away, instead of opening like a single fletch, it is harder to move the jaws away to wipe away excess before it is cured enough for the fletching to not move. Can definitely do your arrows faster than a single fletch.
Since you use a Bitzenberger jig, you should use the Cali-Bitz to calibrate the jig to know what degree the jig is set at. It’s a decal that is applied to both sides of the jig. Sold at Lancaster Archery. 👍🙏🏹🦌
I've tried 9 different arrows and have settled on two types of hunting arrows. Rips in a 300 with 275 tacs in a 3 fletch and 160 up front with 100g montec, weighing 438-441.
Extreme velocities in a 300 with 185 up front, using the rip inserts, 125g muzzy ones, with 225 tacs in a 3 fletch weighing 438- 441. Both fly amazingly accurate at 50 yards straight off the bat. The foc on the xv's has to be around 19% as a guess. Love the Victory's and the content
I’m using the Same exact setup for white tail this year mines just a little heavier. Also trying the mega meat
Great choice pal!
Nice one! Great set up and overall presentation. What lenght is your arrows? Cut? 29 inch?
Hi Chris. How durable do you find the standard inserts on the rip tko?
Idk how I’ve just found your videos this past week but huge fan
So do you have any specific advice for beards while shooting I’ve noticed my beard will affect the Arrows slightly lol my anchor point kinda screws me sometimes if you have any tips please reply lmao
Looks like a good hobby I need to get into… I shoot victory vap tko 300 micro diameter. Accurate! My other arrow I think is pretty good is the gold tip airstrike 4 fletch. 300 micro diameter also
That VAP tko is basically the exact arrow I’ve been shooting too. They’re tough and consistent.
I got a bunch of victory vap tkos 300 spines cause i have a 30.5” draw and im pulling 73 lbs on a ventum 33 i got the greens i think they are v3 but the color is like eastons pro comp, match grade, and base model arrow but with the vap is target, hunting, and all around
Love my VAP TKO arrows!
What Lumenok are you running in these arrows? I just ordered a pack of the VAP TKO elite and the current Lumenoks that I have are too big.
I like using the bohning F nock for the VAP TKO. I think you'd like it also. Give it a try.
Thanks Chris I'm retired can't afford testing appreciate your testing.
hey chris, what inserts are these? im torn between using victory inserts, as almost all of them appear to be half outs, and just using the easton HIT system...
Yupp. Im shooting the VAP SS elite .001 and using 60 grain total Ethics archery insert and collar
Have you tried annihilator broadheads? That's what I use and absolutely love shooting them.
finally, been waiting for this.
When you switch from the VAP to the RIP, do you need to change sight tapes or do they fly Similar enough?
Chris Bee, my question as I watch you fletchin arrows ... do you line your fixed blades with your 3 fletch?m
I'm new to archery is it cheaper, in the long run, to make your own arrows once you know what you are doing?
I think a comparison between the v6 Vap TKOs and v1 would be a great video
Funny, Brandon and everyone in LAS laughed at me 2 years ago when I went with those arrows. They been durable for me. Killed 3 with same arrow and head.
IMO, as I’ve been bow hunting seriously at least 55 years. Experimented and used so many shafts( hate fricking aluminum) and fixed blade heads ONLY I am a firm believer a fast arrow kills better. I’m not promoting a 350 grain hunting arrow for deer etc but the fastest arrow you and your bow can shoot correctly. Draw weight, DL, arrow spine and the head design all come into play and have to work perfectly together. IMO, it doesn’t matter what animal you’re shooting a fast arrow is very beneficial.
Which lighted nocks do you recommend for small diameter arrows ? Thanks
I like the Easton 6.5mm line up my personal favorites are the bowhunter and the match grades.
Easton have become so expensive though if you want a Dozen, especially their Match Grade Line. There’s better out there.. I’d rather have Victory or Black Eagle.
I bought 6 to try , I Robin hooded 2 times , ruining 4 arrows , I like them , they shoot good n straight . But I find them to be on the brittle side.
I remember running Easton's for a while but after trashing a few I needed something that was cheaper on the wallet. Went to Walmart and got some $3 arrows and cut them down to my length. Turns out they shot better than the Easton's.
You mentioned you are gonna run the G5 Deadmeat for Whitetails. Which fixed blade broadhead you gonna run for out West?