The best arrows to hunt with are the ones you're currently using. I started with the Bass Pro store brand X3 Hunter 340 refletched 4" plastic, 100gr field tips. The arrows are made by Gold Tip. After several months of practice I used the same arrows for hunting. I swapped the field tips for the 100gr G5 Montec broadhead. I went to that first hunt with every confidence I had in those arrows when I went to the range to practice. So no, I don't use different arrows for hunting or practice. The arrows tend to behave differently going from field tip to broadheads but that's expected. I don't sweat different brands of arrows or tips. I chose one and stayed with it until I got it down. I learned from rifle hunting that if you stress over one brand of ammo and bullet style over another you'll second guess every decision you've made or will make. I thought I needed the Hornady SST ballistic tip ammo at $45/box precovid now I shoot consistent groups with the $19/box precovid American Whitetail SP flat base out to 300 yards. There's a reason why Remington SP flat based Core-Lokt ammo has been around for over 80 years. It's basically tried and true and lethal out to 400 yards. I am no longer seduced by marketing or hype. I learned not to buy expensive ammo and I've never bought expensive arrows or broadheads. It's not the bow, arrow or broadheads it's the man drawing the bow string confident in his ability and equipment no matter how much he spent.
Best part of this video is that you aren't just buying the most expensive arrows out there. You are honest and reasonable. Almost like you are a normal person. Appreciate it man. 😂
Not sure I should be the one to tell you this but he is a normal person, you know; one brain, two arms, two legs, eyes, ears, one nose mouth, etc. by all metrics or measurements that makes him a normal person.
Chris…thanks for a common, no nonsense arrow build video. Like you said “it’s personal choice”, but I am so tired of everyone saying heavy is the only way. As you say shoot what you know works for you and your equipment. Thanks again. Keep up the good work.
If you shoot short known distance shots heavy is totally the way. If you are out west or have farm land and are reaching out there 40+ then absolutely no need to go as heavy as what ranch fairy is for hogs
The more complicated, the more time you have into it and you learn more. And it forces you to practice more. That's my take on it. If you don't want to, or have the time to spend on building arrows, keep it simple. Nothing wrong with that! Cheers!
Love the TKO series! I shot the VAP SS for a while, but decided to get back to a standard diameter and am using the VF TKO. Fantastic shafts! 300 spine, 445 grains total with the stock 22 grain insert and 125 grain heads.
Awesome opinion on arrow builds, I am in the middle of building my final hunting arrows now and this content gives me a few things to consider. I tend to build a much too heavy front forward arrow for the white tail I chase here in New York.
Someone as successful as you have been and the experience you have accumulated sure gives weight to your setup shortcuts and thoughts on reliability and over thinking the technical aspects of archery...and it was just great. I have experimented the arrow builds also with 200 to 340 spines and weights 440 to 725g. I do like how dead the bow feels on the heavier arrows but doubt I will put any more time into that pursuit. Love the adventure, keep it up, I bet your dad is very proud of your channel.
I got a bunch of victory vap tkos 300 spines cause i have a 30.5” draw and im pulling 73 lbs on a ventum 33 i got the greens i think they are v3 but the color is like eastons pro comp, match grade, and base model arrow but with the vap is target, hunting, and all around
Thanks for getting me grounded again with a basic arrow set up. I have been watching to much social media stuff and second guessing everything that has worked so well for me over the years.
Mark those arrow ends with a silver sharpie before squaring them. You'd be surprised how much it takes to get all the silver sharpie off. Also don't forget the nock end. They're never square from the factory
Easton have become so expensive though if you want a Dozen, especially their Match Grade Line. There’s better out there.. I’d rather have Victory or Black Eagle.
Please keep us updated on the potential accuracy difference between the V6 (Sport) and V1 (Elite) arrows. Seems most people would not be able to tell a difference, but I am curious if the additional cost of the Elite is justifiable.
So you're sponsored by victory now too? lol A nice little trick for the lighted knocks is you take some heavy gauge wire that fits inside the regular knocks. cut little piece of wire and weigh the knock with it and keep cutting it till you get the same weight as the lighted knock. Then a little dab of super glue to hold the piece of wire in the knock and you have consistent weight in practice arrows and hunting arrows... Great video!
Curious to hear your “cons” on the heavier arrow. I have a rather long draw at 31.5”, I shoot kinetic kaos 250 spines with a 125gn swhacker broadhead. Total arrow weight is 565gn, shoot 280 fps. I know that with a 460gn arrow I shot 318, but the heavy setup is giving me killer pass throughs on all the whitetail I’ve shot. Not questioning your opinion in any way, you are a pro and I’m just a country boy, but would love to see you compare the two different builds.
Your an anomaly at that draw length. I think average draw is 28-29” so 565 gets pretty slow at those lengths. If your over 275ish your doing fine for speed
What do you use to get the vanes off the arrows. I have several tools made specifically for removing vanes and they still somewhat destroy the arrows. As far as super glueing the inserts I stoped doing that. I’m not perfect at getting my vanes lined up with the broadheads so I always seem to have to try and twist the insert and when I super glued them they just ended up drying to fast. I ended up putting a drillbit inside my arrow and shake it almost like a slide hammer in order to knock the insert out. You always seem to have great tips and what I like most about this channel versus other great bow channels is you mainly do your setups for whitetail in the Midwest. The other good channels are geared more towards elk hunting. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and love of archery. I do wish you was posting more videos though. I can never get enough and it seems I’m always learning something new every day. Thank you again.
Perfect timing for this video, Ive been looking into switching arrows. What are the odds you ship me a few of the arrows you didn't go with? Lol, dope video chris!
Just looking at the numbers, if I were to set up one of your western hunt arrows, the vap tko, exactly how you have yours setup, with my arrow length and spine needed I would still be sitting at a 520 grain arrow. Why I'm looking at the Easton axis 4mm. Setting them up the similarly, I can potentially get it to a 460-480 grains.
I shot the 5mm Easton ACC Hunting shafts for years. About 3 years ago I started shooting the Victory VAP TKO's with the heavy 95 grain steel outserts/inserts. I found the shafts where tougher than the components. The next year I switched to the Valkyrie components. @ that time the outsert was just 50 grains but I had all my points & broadheads with the 210 grain Viking Centerpin system & that Victory component problems went away. This year I tweaked it a little with the 22 grain Valkyrie outsert on a few shafts I made from scratch. The arrow setup was about 35 grains lighter with the 4 fletch pattern low profile vane which steers the setup fine. Not a problem with the tuning. I have taken the V6 TKO's made from shafts & used the squaring tool which has given the arrow a higher tolerance. The advantages with this arrow setup is primarily going to shine with a whitetail 🌳 Hunting scenario. But I think it's better if u have a 30" to 31" draw length. The speed u lose will more than make up for it with the accuracy u get. If u need a stiffer spine w/o the weight of a TKO u can always try making up a set of the Blackeagle X-Impact's that u can get in a 250 spine. As of a year ago u weren't able to get a TKO stiffer than a 300 spine. The jury is still out whether it can match the durability of the VAP TKO's which is going to be hard to beat but the X-Impact's have the same tight tolerance on all the shafts they offer so that's a bonus 👍.
I switched to the Victory VAP Elite arrow last year. I used the Black Fusion glue and it worked like a champ! I usually use some sort of gun cleaning brass bristled bore cleaner brush to rough up the inside of the arrow shaft then some sort of scratch pad to rough up the outside of the arrow then clean it with isopropyl alcohol then use the black fusion glue (shake well) and I havent have any outserts pull out. Ive used the gorilla super glue on my blazers for several years and it works really well! ...I tried out the TAC vanes last season and used the prime pen and glue and those also adhear really well ......I really enjoy your videos so keep them coming. Ive hunted Kansas for years and really enjoyed your walk in Kansas hunt where you took a GIANT! . Good luck this season!
Are you shooting 70# with these arrows? I'd think you'd be under spined with 80#, and arrows that light out of an 80# would probably be tough to get fixed heads to group well?
I agree. I tried Easton, AAE , Vanetec and some noname brands. Only fletchings that really stuck are Bohning vanes. Rest will fall off after a couple of dozen shots.
I’ve found the Bohning tower jig to be really easy to fletch with. You can glue and fletch all three vanes at the same time. I’ve had nothing but great results with mine.
My first time using, I found myself using too much glue with it, but I think that’s just part of the learning curve. Since the jaws move away, instead of opening like a single fletch, it is harder to move the jaws away to wipe away excess before it is cured enough for the fletching to not move. Can definitely do your arrows faster than a single fletch.
Thanks Chris for another great video. I enjoy all your videos because everything you do in your videos helps this old man hunt better even if I don’t hunt with a compound. I hunt with a recurve and may not need all the info, but a lot can still be used for my type of hunting.
What do you think about tuning your bow with no fletching on the arrow? Also what about the top fletching being on the “stiffest” part of the arrow? You should do an in depth video of doing all the small things to see how much of a difference it makes. Like weighing all the accessories like inserts, knocks, fletchings to see what difference it makes in consistency/accuracy. I’m very OCD about those things but never set my own arrows up and don’t know if all the equipment is even worth it
Victory marks there stiff side on the shaft for you. I nock tune all my arrows bare shaft through paper before I feltch. Unless there victory then I trust there mark
I'm shooting the 300sp 5mm fmjs out of my V3 and they are pretty damn accurate I'm not using a fixed blade or single bevel and I just went with the basic insert they come with but they seem to be doing pretty good and honestly don't seem that slow at 70lbs
I totally agree with your arrow builds but hunting style makes me tend to go with a heavier more weight forward setup with fixed blades for bow driving and ground hunting .awkward quartering angles and more frontal shots heavy helps
Hey Chris. Do you think the direction you tie the D loop effects the natural rotation left or right as much as the twist of the string? Thanks for all the good videos.
Would the western 4mm set up still work with the shorter fletchings or does the longer fletching help over longer distances? I would of thought longer distance my mean more wind to encounter and smaller fletchings may help that.
Thanks Chris! Yea, I'm totally with you as for board. Can't Fletcher fast enough! I use cue tips to clean with. Also, I'm trying the new TAC vanes! Beautiful vanes but a S.O.B. to get to stick and yes I bought the pen and super glue! They say don't use any other glue except there's but I went to bohning super glue and it worked. I'm just telling you so if you ever try it .... Good luck!!!!
I’m a new archer, but I shoot pretty good groups at 50-60 yds. I will say that when I switched to a lighted knock after using normal Easton knocks. I noticed a change in POI, I re-sighted my sight and picked a new sight tape since the arrow speed had went down a little hence the slight weight difference. Since doing all of that I’ve been grouping arrows really nice and noticeably better.
I trick I saw on another video is to glue a small piece of wire to the inside of your regular nock so it weighs the same as a lighted nock. Either that or keep your used dead lighted nocks for practice in the future.
@@archeryhunter86- seems like a good idea, i grinded down some tiny screws and put them into the back of the nock with some super glue. Made super the weight matched all of my lighted. The wire would’ve been more time-convenient
I have used 5mm Easton fmjs with good luck. However, I’ve switched to the carbon express maxima reds. Finished arrow weight is 420-445 depending on my broadhead selection. I usually use the montec g5. Took my 250+lb whitetail at 69 yards and still got full pass through at that distance. My bow is a Bear Kuma, twists added to cables, 78lb draw and 30” draw length. I’m pushing the 420grain arrow at 320ish fps. These are extremely accurate and flat shooting. First pin will hit from 10-33 yards in the vitals of a white tail. I practice out to 90 yards.
Personal preference is key. I help buddies with arrows and such and try not to push them into any direction except practice, practice, practice. I do like 460-520gr range, obviously depending on the person. I shoot 520gr with single bevel and am comfortable out to 50 yards. And I'll only take a shot that far if everything lines up perfectly. And I disagree that your heavy two blade single bevel will go through a shoulder. With the right broadhead that will happen. Just ask Iron Will Bill. I'm not saying people should try and go through a shoulder but knowing you have the power to does open more shot selections. But yes, those two blades do take time tuning. But with that comes the necessary practice which is good. Thanks for the video!
Thank you for the simple but tactful instruction. My question is that I can only set up one set of arrows and only hunt whitetail for now, but I also want to go to TAC and do other long distance events. Which would be best for myself in one arrow does it all, 5 or 4mm? Thanks again!
No reason to not shoot the 4mm in my opinion. I switched to the VAP TKOs last year - shot two deer with them last year and have shot 2 deer and a coyote with them this year. All pass throughs, all critters died within 60 yards, and every arrow has survived the experience.
I ran the rip tko two years ago and had durability issues I bought a dozen of them an at the end of just a 3D season I had broke 6 of the 12 of them just from shooting foam so I put them to the side can’t bring myself to try them again.
Chris I am really new to bow hunting with a compound and don’t know what the straightness or size means for any type of arrow. For whitetail deer, what size/straightness/weight should I get
Lol, and here I am shooting my whitetail with 652gn, 200sp, single bevel fixed blade from tuffhead. 350gn total upfront with a 20% FOC. Pass through every time and cuts through bone too. But shoot whatever you’re confident in people! The only thing I’d scream all day is a tough, fixed blade ultra sharp broadhead. Most important thing.
Outstanding, I've been fletching my own arrows for both hunting and competition for years! I've done that individual tune single bevel stuff years ago. This video was HONEST no HYPE, SPOT ON! Great Job!
hey chris, what inserts are these? im torn between using victory inserts, as almost all of them appear to be half outs, and just using the easton HIT system...
Do you notice any difference in right or left helical? I know they say a lot of bows throw the arrow at a left helical. But I’ve also heard people say that left helical will lossen your broadheads. I shoot left helical with my field points.
I've tried 9 different arrows and have settled on two types of hunting arrows. Rips in a 300 with 275 tacs in a 3 fletch and 160 up front with 100g montec, weighing 438-441. Extreme velocities in a 300 with 185 up front, using the rip inserts, 125g muzzy ones, with 225 tacs in a 3 fletch weighing 438- 441. Both fly amazingly accurate at 50 yards straight off the bat. The foc on the xv's has to be around 19% as a guess. Love the Victory's and the content
What a coincidence, I just switched to the VAP TKO myself after trying Sirius (and was using Easton before that). I've never been as impressed with a hunting arrow as I am with the VAP TKO. They are perfection or as close to it as I've seen.
Did you notice a diffeeence in the v1 and v6 versions? I have the v1s for hunting but I need another dozen and was wanting to save some bucks. If there isn’t a boticable difference in flight
So do you have any specific advice for beards while shooting I’ve noticed my beard will affect the Arrows slightly lol my anchor point kinda screws me sometimes if you have any tips please reply lmao
This is a great video man! Very informative for guys just starting to build their own arrows. Having the same issue with my FMJs, such a hassle to fine tune everything just right. Good stuff man, keep em' coming!
Great video as usual, would love it if you did a video on broadhead tuning? I can't seem to get my broadheads to fly consistently. Especially fixed blade.
I still shoot Easton bloodline 400 and 480 with my Bear legion 60lb. .100 grain practice tips. After seeing you videos I got the fever. Amazing how out of shape I have became. Practice practice practice. Thanks
How do you shoot different arrows just remember your offset on your sights? In my bow my field points shoot the same as my ocd broadheads. In my rifle I use zero offset in my ap can't do that as easy on a bow
I just bought a dozen RIP TKO's for an upcoming elk hunt pairing them with a 100g Muzzy 3 Blade fixed. I can't wait it should be fun! Thanks for sharing! 👍
I love VAPs, been shooting them for years. Only thing i don’t like are the aluminum outserts. I’ve had them bend before when hitting hard bone. There’s a guy on eBay that sells titanium outserts for them and they’re rock solid and stand behind a lifetime guarantee. That would be my only suggestion.
Chris, have you noticed any difference in consistency when taking arrow building to the extreme? For example: squaring both ends of the arrows and weighing all components to build arrows that all weigh within a half a grain or so of one another? I have always been curious if higher-caliber archers and professionals could tell a difference. Like you said, for average archers such as myself the shooter is the biggest variable by far.
Looks like a good hobby I need to get into… I shoot victory vap tko 300 micro diameter. Accurate! My other arrow I think is pretty good is the gold tip airstrike 4 fletch. 300 micro diameter also
Another great product the g5 squaring tool but man them g5 board heads I broke one pulling out of a foam block no way we I take that chance only fixed but another product is the gule iron will sales super sticky
Suggestion for a stag arrow? (Trying to hunt NZ next year for stag and fallow buck) Guessing a 4mm similar to the 'out west' arrow you did in this video?
I was at the Ultraview event in Austin Tx and saw Chris shoot a steel target with this arrow and it was completely fine after a few simple repairs! Definitely a good arrow
Its nice to know that even though right now i am shooting a slow bow, Im not the only one in that weight range....this season i was shooting 440gr arrows and I will be repeating that weight next season with more FOC hopefully.
For a 70lb compound my go-to standard arrow for hunting is a 350sp arrow with 150gn up front (total) all up weighing 435gn - almost identical to what you're running (just a different shaft). Trust me, it'll work.
I fletch my own arrows too. You can do sooo much with them , I'm doing a 4 fletched Hunter Pro with nock colairs (they have saved $$$ and arrows) I have only tried 3 types of fletching glue . And Blaze Bound hands down and by far the best (so far) I also found a 4+ degree heellikel works for me . Even out past 80 yrds (just add 3-5 yrds for drag) I don't hunt and have found micro arrows go far too deep and gave me more problems with arrow damage not to say what happens to your fletches IF THEY STAY ON I'm using a Mathews V 3 25.5 draw at 85% let off and 81 lbs I don't have the killer speed guessing at 295-297 with all my specs (from a pro at the bow shop Wolf's Den) but it PACKS A PUNCH
@@alexbetts452 Just for shits and gigles all my other bows are 70 , 50 so I can shoot it all day so I guess I fall into the mucsel head group . I must say the Mathews is wild and a joy to shoot even at 80+ lbs . In Canada we can only use 60 lbs for target comps You can shoot anything in 3-D or Feild
Not gonna lie, I’ve been binge watching the hunting videos getting pumped up for hunting season.
Same
Yep I know the feeling
Same
Yo me to bro
So excited!!
The best arrows to hunt with are the ones you're currently using.
I started with the Bass Pro store brand X3 Hunter 340 refletched 4" plastic, 100gr field tips.
The arrows are made by Gold Tip. After several months of practice I used the same arrows for hunting. I swapped the field tips for the 100gr G5 Montec broadhead.
I went to that first hunt with every confidence I had in those arrows when I went to the range to practice.
So no, I don't use different arrows for hunting or practice. The arrows tend to behave differently going from field tip to broadheads but that's expected.
I don't sweat different brands of arrows or tips. I chose one and stayed with it until I got it down.
I learned from rifle hunting that if you stress over one brand of ammo and bullet style over another you'll second guess every decision you've made or will make.
I thought I needed the Hornady SST ballistic tip ammo at $45/box precovid now I shoot consistent groups with the $19/box precovid American Whitetail SP flat base out to 300 yards.
There's a reason why Remington SP flat based Core-Lokt ammo has been around for over 80 years. It's basically tried and true and lethal out to 400 yards.
I am no longer seduced by marketing or hype. I learned not to buy expensive ammo and I've never bought expensive arrows or broadheads.
It's not the bow, arrow or broadheads it's the man drawing the bow string confident in his ability and equipment no matter how much he spent.
Best part of this video is that you aren't just buying the most expensive arrows out there. You are honest and reasonable. Almost like you are a normal person. Appreciate it man. 😂
Not sure I should be the one to tell you this but he is a normal person, you know; one brain, two arms, two legs, eyes, ears, one nose mouth, etc. by all metrics or measurements that makes him a normal person.
I heard he has 3 legs
@@benaustin272 His third leg helps him with his accuracy.
It’s his stabilization method that goes unspoken in their inner circle
How much weight on the 3rd leg for stabilization?
Chris…thanks for a common, no nonsense arrow build video. Like you said “it’s personal choice”, but I am so tired of everyone saying heavy is the only way. As you say shoot what you know works for you and your equipment. Thanks again. Keep up the good work.
If you shoot short known distance shots heavy is totally the way. If you are out west or have farm land and are reaching out there 40+ then absolutely no need to go as heavy as what ranch fairy is for hogs
The best segment of this video ...was the truth and pure honest advise ..... shoot n practice :) good on you Chris :)
I needed this today! Been working on my setup for this season too and have been overcomplicating it. Thanks Chris!
The more complicated, the more time you have into it and you learn more. And it forces you to practice more. That's my take on it. If you don't want to, or have the time to spend on building arrows, keep it simple. Nothing wrong with that! Cheers!
Love the TKO series! I shot the VAP SS for a while, but decided to get back to a standard diameter and am using the VF TKO. Fantastic shafts! 300 spine, 445 grains total with the stock 22 grain insert and 125 grain heads.
Awesome opinion on arrow builds, I am in the middle of building my final hunting arrows now and this content gives me a few things to consider. I tend to build a much too heavy front forward arrow for the white tail I chase here in New York.
Such a helpful video. What is the difference between a left wing, right wing, and straight fletching jig?
Straight talk arrows with Chris Bee. I appreciate your honesty here. Build an arrow, don’t over think it, send it and be confident. Totally agree.
Kinetic pierce platinum fan here. Used them after pro hunter xt and I like them a lot. Hard to switch when something works well.
Someone as successful as you have been and the experience you have accumulated sure gives weight to your setup shortcuts and thoughts on reliability and over thinking the technical aspects of archery...and it was just great. I have experimented the arrow builds also with 200 to 340 spines and weights 440 to 725g. I do like how dead the bow feels on the heavier arrows but doubt I will put any more time into that pursuit. Love the adventure, keep it up, I bet your dad is very proud of your channel.
I got a bunch of victory vap tkos 300 spines cause i have a 30.5” draw and im pulling 73 lbs on a ventum 33 i got the greens i think they are v3 but the color is like eastons pro comp, match grade, and base model arrow but with the vap is target, hunting, and all around
Chris Bee, my question as I watch you fletchin arrows ... do you line your fixed blades with your 3 fletch?m
Thanks for getting me grounded again with a basic arrow set up. I have been watching to much social media stuff and second guessing everything that has worked so well for me over the years.
Mark those arrow ends with a silver sharpie before squaring them. You'd be surprised how much it takes to get all the silver sharpie off.
Also don't forget the nock end. They're never square from the factory
I like the Easton 6.5mm line up my personal favorites are the bowhunter and the match grades.
Easton have become so expensive though if you want a Dozen, especially their Match Grade Line. There’s better out there.. I’d rather have Victory or Black Eagle.
I bought 6 to try , I Robin hooded 2 times , ruining 4 arrows , I like them , they shoot good n straight . But I find them to be on the brittle side.
Please keep us updated on the potential accuracy difference between the V6 (Sport) and V1 (Elite) arrows. Seems most people would not be able to tell a difference, but I am curious if the additional cost of the Elite is justifiable.
If your arrow length is 29" or less buy the v6 or v3 option and cut from both ends. You usually end up with a v1 when said and done.
So you're sponsored by victory now too? lol A nice little trick for the lighted knocks is you take some heavy gauge wire that fits inside the regular knocks. cut little piece of wire and weigh the knock with it and keep cutting it till you get the same weight as the lighted knock. Then a little dab of super glue to hold the piece of wire in the knock and you have consistent weight in practice arrows and hunting arrows... Great video!
Curious to hear your “cons” on the heavier arrow. I have a rather long draw at 31.5”, I shoot kinetic kaos 250 spines with a 125gn swhacker broadhead. Total arrow weight is 565gn, shoot 280 fps. I know that with a 460gn arrow I shot 318, but the heavy setup is giving me killer pass throughs on all the whitetail I’ve shot. Not questioning your opinion in any way, you are a pro and I’m just a country boy, but would love to see you compare the two different builds.
Your an anomaly at that draw length. I think average draw is 28-29” so 565 gets pretty slow at those lengths. If your over 275ish your doing fine for speed
What do you use to get the vanes off the arrows. I have several tools made specifically for removing vanes and they still somewhat destroy the arrows. As far as super glueing the inserts I stoped doing that. I’m not perfect at getting my vanes lined up with the broadheads so I always seem to have to try and twist the insert and when I super glued them they just ended up drying to fast. I ended up putting a drillbit inside my arrow and shake it almost like a slide hammer in order to knock the insert out. You always seem to have great tips and what I like most about this channel versus other great bow channels is you mainly do your setups for whitetail in the Midwest. The other good channels are geared more towards elk hunting. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and love of archery. I do wish you was posting more videos though. I can never get enough and it seems I’m always learning something new every day. Thank you again.
Amen to the blazer vane adhesion,tried the TAC vanes on my last set up and they are definitely a much more difficult product to use
Perfect timing for this video, Ive been looking into switching arrows. What are the odds you ship me a few of the arrows you didn't go with? Lol, dope video chris!
Just looking at the numbers, if I were to set up one of your western hunt arrows, the vap tko, exactly how you have yours setup, with my arrow length and spine needed I would still be sitting at a 520 grain arrow. Why I'm looking at the Easton axis 4mm. Setting them up the similarly, I can potentially get it to a 460-480 grains.
there's nothing wrong with 520 grains. You should be able to get out to 60 yards no problem.
When it comes to the tip and tail, I've started using UV resin that I use for fly tying and it works great
I shot the 5mm Easton ACC Hunting shafts for years. About 3 years ago I started shooting the Victory VAP TKO's with the heavy 95 grain steel outserts/inserts. I found the shafts where tougher than the components. The next year I switched to the Valkyrie components. @ that time the outsert was just 50 grains but I had all my points & broadheads with the 210 grain Viking Centerpin system & that Victory component problems went away. This year I tweaked it a little with the 22 grain Valkyrie outsert on a few shafts I made from scratch. The arrow setup was about 35 grains lighter with the 4 fletch pattern low profile vane which steers the setup fine. Not a problem with the tuning. I have taken the V6 TKO's made from shafts & used the squaring tool which has given the arrow a higher tolerance. The advantages with this arrow setup is primarily going to shine with a whitetail 🌳 Hunting scenario. But I think it's better if u have a 30" to 31" draw length. The speed u lose will more than make up for it with the accuracy u get. If u need a stiffer spine w/o the weight of a TKO u can always try making up a set of the Blackeagle X-Impact's that u can get in a 250 spine. As of a year ago u weren't able to get a TKO stiffer than a 300 spine. The jury is still out whether it can match the durability of the VAP TKO's which is going to be hard to beat but the X-Impact's have the same tight tolerance on all the shafts they offer so that's a bonus 👍.
I switched to the Victory VAP Elite arrow last year. I used the Black Fusion glue and it worked like a champ! I usually use some sort of gun cleaning brass bristled bore cleaner brush to rough up the inside of the arrow shaft then some sort of scratch pad to rough up the outside of the arrow then clean it with isopropyl alcohol then use the black fusion glue (shake well) and I havent have any outserts pull out. Ive used the gorilla super glue on my blazers for several years and it works really well! ...I tried out the TAC vanes last season and used the prime pen and glue and those also adhear really well ......I really enjoy your videos so keep them coming. Ive hunted Kansas for years and really enjoyed your walk in Kansas hunt where you took a GIANT! . Good luck this season!
Are you shooting 70# with these arrows? I'd think you'd be under spined with 80#, and arrows that light out of an 80# would probably be tough to get fixed heads to group well?
I was also curious about this same idea.
I agree. I tried Easton, AAE , Vanetec and some noname brands. Only fletchings that really stuck are Bohning vanes. Rest will fall off after a couple of dozen shots.
I’ve found the Bohning tower jig to be really easy to fletch with. You can glue and fletch all three vanes at the same time. I’ve had nothing but great results with mine.
My first time using, I found myself using too much glue with it, but I think that’s just part of the learning curve. Since the jaws move away, instead of opening like a single fletch, it is harder to move the jaws away to wipe away excess before it is cured enough for the fletching to not move. Can definitely do your arrows faster than a single fletch.
Victory are amazing arrows. My number one arrow and my go to arrow. Second favorite is black eagles renegade 5mm. Great stuff!
Thanks Chris for another great video. I enjoy all your videos because everything you do in your videos helps this old man hunt better even if I don’t hunt with a compound. I hunt with a recurve and may not need all the info, but a lot can still be used for my type of hunting.
Totally agree on the weight Chris! Also not a fan of hunting with lighted nocks for hunting! They have more possibility for failure and throw off FOC!
What do you think about tuning your bow with no fletching on the arrow? Also what about the top fletching being on the “stiffest” part of the arrow? You should do an in depth video of doing all the small things to see how much of a difference it makes. Like weighing all the accessories like inserts, knocks, fletchings to see what difference it makes in consistency/accuracy. I’m very OCD about those things but never set my own arrows up and don’t know if all the equipment is even worth it
Victory marks there stiff side on the shaft for you. I nock tune all my arrows bare shaft through paper before I feltch. Unless there victory then I trust there mark
@@brockpeck7073 Where is the mark on the arrows. I got some victory's but wasn't 100% sure. Is it based on the direction arrow on the wrap itself?
@@archeryhunter86- sorry just getting back to you now. Yes the mark is on victorys label. There should be a line
@@archeryhunter86- I've seen the arrow your talking about on victorys bolts for crossbows. Usually on there label is a arrow or line.
I'm shooting the 300sp 5mm fmjs out of my V3 and they are pretty damn accurate I'm not using a fixed blade or single bevel and I just went with the basic insert they come with but they seem to be doing pretty good and honestly don't seem that slow at 70lbs
Thanks for doing this video. It helped me confirm that my arrow setup is right where it should be for whitetail hunting here in South Carolina
I’m still learning, I have heard that you need an off set or helical for broad heads. What is the go?
I totally agree with your arrow builds but hunting style makes me tend to go with a heavier more weight forward setup with fixed blades for bow driving and ground hunting .awkward quartering angles and more frontal shots heavy helps
Hey Chris. Do you think the direction you tie the D loop effects the natural rotation left or right as much as the twist of the string? Thanks for all the good videos.
Would the western 4mm set up still work with the shorter fletchings or does the longer fletching help over longer distances? I would of thought longer distance my mean more wind to encounter and smaller fletchings may help that.
Thanks Chris! Yea, I'm totally with you as for board. Can't Fletcher fast enough! I use cue tips to clean with. Also, I'm trying the new TAC vanes! Beautiful vanes but a S.O.B. to get to stick and yes I bought the pen and super glue! They say don't use any other glue except there's but I went to bohning super glue and it worked. I'm just telling you so if you ever try it .... Good luck!!!!
I like the little ez fletch I think aae makes it, thinking about trying the tac vanes I've heard they are super stiff ..cool video
When switching to lighted nocks from regular nocks, are you seeing a major POI shift? Is there a 100% need to re-zero
Now I don’t shoot as good as Chris but I haven’t seen a difference in my poi.
I’m a new archer, but I shoot pretty good groups at 50-60 yds.
I will say that when I switched to a lighted knock after using normal Easton knocks. I noticed a change in POI, I re-sighted my sight and picked a new sight tape since the arrow speed had went down a little hence the slight weight difference.
Since doing all of that I’ve been grouping arrows really nice and noticeably better.
I trick I saw on another video is to glue a small piece of wire to the inside of your regular nock so it weighs the same as a lighted nock.
Either that or keep your used dead lighted nocks for practice in the future.
@@archeryhunter86- seems like a good idea, i grinded down some tiny screws and put them into the back of the nock with some super glue. Made super the weight matched all of my lighted. The wire would’ve been more time-convenient
I have used 5mm Easton fmjs with good luck. However, I’ve switched to the carbon express maxima reds. Finished arrow weight is 420-445 depending on my broadhead selection. I usually use the montec g5. Took my 250+lb whitetail at 69 yards and still got full pass through at that distance. My bow is a Bear Kuma, twists added to cables, 78lb draw and 30” draw length. I’m pushing the 420grain arrow at 320ish fps. These are extremely accurate and flat shooting. First pin will hit from 10-33 yards in the vitals of a white tail. I practice out to 90 yards.
Hi Chris. How durable do you find the standard inserts on the rip tko?
Personal preference is key. I help buddies with arrows and such and try not to push them into any direction except practice, practice, practice. I do like 460-520gr range, obviously depending on the person. I shoot 520gr with single bevel and am comfortable out to 50 yards. And I'll only take a shot that far if everything lines up perfectly. And I disagree that your heavy two blade single bevel will go through a shoulder. With the right broadhead that will happen. Just ask Iron Will Bill. I'm not saying people should try and go through a shoulder but knowing you have the power to does open more shot selections. But yes, those two blades do take time tuning. But with that comes the necessary practice which is good. Thanks for the video!
Thank you for the simple but tactful instruction. My question is that I can only set up one set of arrows and only hunt whitetail for now, but I also want to go to TAC and do other long distance events. Which would be best for myself in one arrow does it all, 5 or 4mm? Thanks again!
No reason to not shoot the 4mm in my opinion. I switched to the VAP TKOs last year - shot two deer with them last year and have shot 2 deer and a coyote with them this year. All pass throughs, all critters died within 60 yards, and every arrow has survived the experience.
I ran the rip tko two years ago and had durability issues I bought a dozen of them an at the end of just a 3D season I had broke 6 of the 12 of them just from shooting foam so I put them to the side can’t bring myself to try them again.
Chris I am really new to bow hunting with a compound and don’t know what the straightness or size means for any type of arrow. For whitetail deer, what size/straightness/weight should I get
Hey Chris, do all Mathews V3X bows with zebra strings like a left helical?
Lol, and here I am shooting my whitetail with 652gn, 200sp, single bevel fixed blade from tuffhead. 350gn total upfront with a 20% FOC. Pass through every time and cuts through bone too. But shoot whatever you’re confident in people! The only thing I’d scream all day is a tough, fixed blade ultra sharp broadhead. Most important thing.
Very cool to see you picking out Victory as your go to.
That is the newer G5 squaring tool, there was indeed an older version.
I love how you're so honest! I figured you were sponsored Easton so that would be your pick! Good job Chris!
Outstanding, I've been fletching my own arrows for both hunting and competition for years! I've done that individual tune single bevel stuff years ago. This video was HONEST no HYPE, SPOT ON! Great Job!
hey chris, what inserts are these? im torn between using victory inserts, as almost all of them appear to be half outs, and just using the easton HIT system...
Do you notice any difference in right or left helical? I know they say a lot of bows throw the arrow at a left helical. But I’ve also heard people say that left helical will lossen your broadheads. I shoot left helical with my field points.
When you switch from the VAP to the RIP, do you need to change sight tapes or do they fly Similar enough?
I've tried 9 different arrows and have settled on two types of hunting arrows. Rips in a 300 with 275 tacs in a 3 fletch and 160 up front with 100g montec, weighing 438-441.
Extreme velocities in a 300 with 185 up front, using the rip inserts, 125g muzzy ones, with 225 tacs in a 3 fletch weighing 438- 441. Both fly amazingly accurate at 50 yards straight off the bat. The foc on the xv's has to be around 19% as a guess. Love the Victory's and the content
What a coincidence, I just switched to the VAP TKO myself after trying Sirius (and was using Easton before that). I've never been as impressed with a hunting arrow as I am with the VAP TKO. They are perfection or as close to it as I've seen.
Do you still like them? About to order me some
@@Austinwoods3 Yes, hundreds of shots later they are awesome and I will buy more.
Would they be a good arrow for all around…. Also for target shooting?
@@dariocarello9038 I think they are great for everything including target shooting.
Have you tried annihilator broadheads? That's what I use and absolutely love shooting them.
Nice one! Great set up and overall presentation. What lenght is your arrows? Cut? 29 inch?
I think a comparison between the v6 Vap TKOs and v1 would be a great video
Did you notice a diffeeence in the v1 and v6 versions? I have the v1s for hunting but I need another dozen and was wanting to save some bucks. If there isn’t a boticable difference in flight
So do you have any specific advice for beards while shooting I’ve noticed my beard will affect the Arrows slightly lol my anchor point kinda screws me sometimes if you have any tips please reply lmao
This is a great video man! Very informative for guys just starting to build their own arrows. Having the same issue with my FMJs, such a hassle to fine tune everything just right. Good stuff man, keep em' coming!
Yupp. Im shooting the VAP SS elite .001 and using 60 grain total Ethics archery insert and collar
I’m using the Same exact setup for white tail this year mines just a little heavier. Also trying the mega meat
I like using the bohning F nock for the VAP TKO. I think you'd like it also. Give it a try.
Those outserts look so much easier than the hit inserts. Been shooting fmjs for a long time but want to try the vaps
What brand of jig do you use? You might have stated early in the video but I missed it.
What’s the length on the first arrow, 435gr? I’m building it and have 411gr 26.5 inch shaft without lighted nock and no glue. Thx
Which lighted nocks do you recommend for small diameter arrows ? Thanks
Great video as usual, would love it if you did a video on broadhead tuning? I can't seem to get my broadheads to fly consistently. Especially fixed blade.
What broad head do you plan on using for whitetail?
He said in the video.
He said deadmeats
I use VAP but having trouble finding a good target to keep them from blowing thru....any suggestions?
How did those 50 grain inserts hold up for you? no damage on your setups?
Thoughts on a 490g arrow gold tip pro with a 60 pound Mathew Travers @ 27.5 inch
That was the realist video iv seen you do In a long time. Keep it up !
What are the colored “release” on the parts wall? Where can I pick one up?
I still shoot Easton bloodline 400 and 480 with my Bear legion 60lb. .100 grain practice tips. After seeing you videos I got the fever. Amazing how out of shape I have became. Practice practice practice. Thanks
How do you shoot different arrows just remember your offset on your sights? In my bow my field points shoot the same as my ocd broadheads. In my rifle I use zero offset in my ap can't do that as easy on a bow
I just bought a dozen RIP TKO's for an upcoming elk hunt pairing them with a 100g Muzzy 3 Blade fixed. I can't wait it should be fun! Thanks for sharing! 👍
I shoot the Victory VAP TKO Elites. Awesome arrows, and like you said in the video, durable as all hell. $20 an arrow does sting though.
I was running the VAP TKO years ago. Glad to see they've caught on!!!
What is the insert you are running the the whitetail setup?
I’m using the Black Eagle Outlaw and my grain weight is 455 grains out of a 60# bow 30 inch draw length shoot at the most of 30 yards
I love VAPs, been shooting them for years. Only thing i don’t like are the aluminum outserts. I’ve had them bend before when hitting hard bone. There’s a guy on eBay that sells titanium outserts for them and they’re rock solid and stand behind a lifetime guarantee. That would be my only suggestion.
Do you have the guys name on ebay with the Ti inserts?
Chris, have you noticed any difference in consistency when taking arrow building to the extreme? For example: squaring both ends of the arrows and weighing all components to build arrows that all weigh within a half a grain or so of one another? I have always been curious if higher-caliber archers and professionals could tell a difference. Like you said, for average archers such as myself the shooter is the biggest variable by far.
Looks like a good hobby I need to get into… I shoot victory vap tko 300 micro diameter. Accurate! My other arrow I think is pretty good is the gold tip airstrike 4 fletch. 300 micro diameter also
That VAP tko is basically the exact arrow I’ve been shooting too. They’re tough and consistent.
Which arrow you recommend for whitetail hunting 300 or 340 spine 5mm thanks
Another great product the g5 squaring tool but man them g5 board heads I broke one pulling out of a foam block no way we I take that chance only fixed but another product is the gule iron will sales super sticky
Suggestion for a stag arrow? (Trying to hunt NZ next year for stag and fallow buck)
Guessing a 4mm similar to the 'out west' arrow you did in this video?
I was at the Ultraview event in Austin Tx and saw Chris shoot a steel target with this arrow and it was completely fine after a few simple repairs! Definitely a good arrow
Its nice to know that even though right now i am shooting a slow bow, Im not the only one in that weight range....this season i was shooting 440gr arrows and I will be repeating that weight next season with more FOC hopefully.
You'd love the v1 vap ss been shooting them for 2 years only blow up when you shoot knocks.
For a 70lb compound my go-to standard arrow for hunting is a 350sp arrow with 150gn up front (total) all up weighing 435gn - almost identical to what you're running (just a different shaft).
Trust me, it'll work.
What brand of lighted nock do you use
I fletch my own arrows too. You can do sooo much with them , I'm doing a 4 fletched Hunter Pro with nock colairs (they have saved $$$ and arrows) I have only tried 3 types of fletching glue . And Blaze Bound hands down and by far the best (so far)
I also found a 4+ degree heellikel works for me . Even out past 80 yrds (just add 3-5 yrds for drag) I don't hunt and have found micro arrows go far too deep and gave me more problems with arrow damage not to say what happens to your fletches IF THEY STAY ON
I'm using a Mathews V 3 25.5 draw at 85% let off and 81 lbs I don't have the killer speed guessing at 295-297 with all my specs (from a pro at the bow shop Wolf's Den) but it PACKS A PUNCH
Honest ? If you don’t hunt why shoot 81 lbs?
@@alexbetts452 Just for shits and gigles all my other bows are 70 , 50 so I can shoot it all day so I guess I fall into the mucsel head group . I must say the Mathews is wild and a joy to shoot even at 80+ lbs . In Canada we can only use 60 lbs for target comps
You can shoot anything in 3-D or Feild
You mentioned you are gonna run the G5 Deadmeat for Whitetails. Which fixed blade broadhead you gonna run for out West?