Flo Shaban I think he was more explaining how it seems this channel has _really_ seemed to be enjoying logitech products. It seems more and more that they are picking the more professional choice. (i.e. getting possible sponsorship/already being sponsored) He really meant to say it wasn't a fair comparison, more of they chose logitech because they want logitech's support.
I've had the Razer Naga for about a year and broke... switched to the G600 and have never been more pleased. I was always a Razer fan, but, in the end I ended up with mostly Logitech stuff. Especially the G19 keyboard... damn, although it has dome keys I am still as good as when i've used mechanical keys. The slight difference doesn't really matter.
+Brent Jansma My Naga lasted 1 1/2 years, the mouse wheel just went to complete pot and the mouse would actually cutout while in use, never liked the laser from the start as it never seemed as accurate as my old logitech, which btw lasted 5 years and only had to get a new one cause I yanked the cord out on accident. Have recently gotten the G600 and already have been reminded of solid design and laser quality, the side buttons are a bit more technical but I find the notches make it where I actually look at the mouse much less than with the Naga. Don't even get me started on the Razer Synapse software, it's beyond terribly bad, resource hog, bad profile switching and ridiculous long updates, just so terribly bad they have to change the software before I even ever consider purchasing another one. Logitech Gaming Software switches on the fly, fast and flawless, quick updates and not even close to a resource hog. Now after looking back I would only reconsider Naga if they did a major redesign across the board, it was nice at first but just wasn't built to last and never as solid feeling as a logitech at all.
+Brandon Havard You guys must really thrash your mouses, Ive used my naga for the good part of 4 years and its sitll going strong- put many hours of it through dota2 and WoW. i have no complaints :) that being said i love logitech too - my g110 is also going on 4 years strong - and the mouse i used before this naga was mx518 optical - that lasted like 10 years and still was good before i replaced it for the naga. edit: after watchingthis video i know what i'm switching too :)
I got my naga two years ago and treated it like an expensive car and the middle button broke after 18 months. I got a logitech g500 back in the day and treated it like garbage and that thing lasted me 3 years. I tried Razer once thinking they had good quality but never buying them again especially spending $60 on a mouse.
I have bought 3 Nagas over the years, all 3 have the double click problem even after the "solutions" on the internet. I am going to buy a G600 hopefully it wont have that issue. The Naga is a money sink.
Had the razer naga 2014 now for 2 years and the laser started to act weird right when warranty run out. I used the mouse every day for 8 - 24 hours (yes I game a lot!) and at least these 2 years it did not break. Just right after though. No damage, no dirt, no software or hardware cause and I will probably get a G600 now. I can confirm all these stuff in this video (the 2014 does have a 4 way wheel though not like the old only scrolling). I used it for every type of game, shooters, rpgs, mmos and I simply can't use any mouse anymore without at least 10 keys on the side and stuff like 8200 dpi (yes that's not as much if you configurated your mouse in windows correctly and turn it down in games). Because the corsair scrimitar is not available in Germany until 2016 and the side buttons are probably easy to miss because there is no indicator on which side button row your finger is, even though it seams to be a good mouse overall. So check that out too if you read this comment.
lol i've used a razer deathadder chroma before for like 7 years, and it STILL works, but i put it on the shelf for a naga trinity, and i've had this one for 4 months.
My g600 buttons started to fail recently but I’ve had it for about 5 years. I also carried it in my briefcase to work everyday and between work and gaming would regularly use it 16 hours a day several days a week.. hard to complain really.
2020 and i still use my naga^^ and yes, i'm an eager gamer.. 10k+ hrs WoW and probably close to that in all my other games combined.. How's your Logitech?
@@dfaee2234 6 years of naga, same as new. Everything works perfectly. 6 years of 8-9 hours of gaming everyday. Ohh btw how's your logitech @Lasse Eriksen?
Thank you for this video. I was preparing to up my mouse button count and had several questions. You've answered them all and I am ready to make my purchase. Thank you so much for taking the time and kudos for the level of thoroughness you put into it.
These two actually work wonderfully together for a dual setup! G600 for the right hand and the lefty Naga in the other. The possibilities become endless, and I wouldn't replace either.
Not sure why anyone thinks a Naga is better, razer can't make software for shit. Nagas have terrible power management and will have connection issues when sharing with other high-powered devices such as other razer products, or large usb hard drives. Also, some of the worst customer service comes from razer, they give chrome looks to overrate plastic garbage. Logitech is just the solid company, they make some shit that really doesn't impress me, but at least they never make shit with goals that they really cannot accommodate for. Naga's are small and their "large" extensions are a bigger Tiny mouse at best. From finger to palm-edge my hands are almost 9 inches. Little girls typically don't use Naga's. Younger, men, adults typically do. I expected it to be at least a reasonable size to fit closer to my freakish pianist hands. Logitech's software should be the reason you DON'T buy a naga. Razer Synapse is a fucking joke. Programmers would be disgusted with the exclusiveness of its ability. They really should have beta tested it properly before hand. Their beta test required all people upgrade to the new version and it didnt work with half of their devices for YEARS. For example the Razer Megalodon headset does not work with windows 7, some random guy made a fix for it and razer gives a link to his download page to fix it. Compare Logitech Gaming Software to Razer Synapse. Logitech wins.
Agree, but the problem with Logitech lies in the software. It's rare (which is great) But very difficult to fix, and on thier forums some critical issues has been going on for 2-3 years. Eventhough this doubbleclicking is driving me insane, i still can't hate my g600. My naga, on the other hand, lies with a right and left click stuck, a slow scroll and a laggy response+some broken buttons. Now that's what i call quallity!
i concur. i freaking hate synlapse. it pisses me off for some odd reasons. i just dont like a freaking program that needs to be open to freaking use the programmable buttons.
Hi Nick, I asked this on their comments/discussion. The new Razer is more in-line as a competitor and answer to the G600. They key questions are about the shape/feel and responsiveness of the side buttons; whether or not the lack of a third click (Gshift G600) button makes the Razer less desirable and the overall feel of the two devices.
It’s mid August 2018 as I type this and I’ve had my glorious G600 since 2013. After 5 years of constant, vigorous use, it’s finally giving me problems. Double clicking and losing its tracking. I see people with their razer nagas saying they had to replace theirs 2 or 3 times. It took 5 years for me to replace mine. The build quality of the G600 is amazing. But of course, no mouse lasts forever. I was actually thinking about getting the Razer Naga Trinity just because it’s something different, but I think I’m just going to go ahead and buy another G600 seeing as how fucking reliable it is. The side buttons are designed purely for your thumb, it has a ring finger third mouse button which you can program to shift or any other key, and the scroll wheel tilts left and right giving you 2 more key bindings or shortcuts.The Naga doesn’t have any of that. Not even the Razer Naga Trinity which is their latest version as of August 2018. It’s true what they say, Razer quality has gone down and their prices have gone up. I’ve been using Logitech products since I was a kid and all of my Logitech peripherals work like a charm. That’s one brand I can rely on when it comes to gaming. TL;DR: Get a G600 if you want a GOOD mmorpg mouse. It lasts longer and has better button options. Don’t even think about it, just do it.
Thank you guys for making a video comparing these two. I'm thinking of getting G600 because I've had my Naga for about 3 years I want to say, and it's starting to do this double click thing whenever I click the left mouse button. I've searched for remedies to this but, Razer reccommends that I re-install the drivers, which didn't work. While people online say I have to actually take apart the thing which I don't feel comfortable doing.
The original Naga was the best Naga. These new versions are complete crap. I had my original naga for 3 years and I had to replace it due to it finally crapping out after many many hours. THe new naga had a broken button 3 months in and it has a uniform button feel making it hard to tell which buttons you're on.
I agree I got my 2014 Razer Naga back in 2014 when it was released and its shitting right now, usb plugin cord is getting all fucked up the mouse constantly freezes, you need specific settings in order for the mouse not to freak out when you lift it and set it back down on the mousepad. I wouldn't recommend any new razer naga either to anyone watching this video currently. The quality is still ass even after two years. They released the razer naga epic chroma, and that has the same problem so you'd be safe buying a G600.
I have a con for the G600 (I've used it for about a year now) - I've found that if I press the left click button too "hard" it will actually trigger the middle click as well. I have not tested this on multiple mice (it's not a big enough complaint for me, so I didn't take it in to get a new one or anything) but it was just something I noticed.
+Christian Angelo Nilsén As a user of both Razer and Logitech, Logitech have the most software bugs and I"ve yet to come across any software issues with Razer. My Logitech G910 keyboard and G930 headset both have software issues and Logitech are still sending out software fixes for the keyboard (one got released not 4 days ago fixing the lighting leds cause a previous patch prevented us from getting orange and purple on our leds, another patch 5 months ago switched off the leds on our media keys permenently and was fixed 2 months later), when I first got it last year I put it on the star effect lighting mode and it caused a memory leak causing the logitech gaming software to use up to 14GB of RAM. You can even go to the logitech forums and see a dude who posted a screenshot of his logitech gaming software using up to 24GB of RAM, and you say Razer software sucks? have you even used Razer software?!
+Skelath That sound terrible. 24gb RAM is just riddiculus. Have the G600 now. First one was broke, changed it. Quality is not what it used to be I guess. Yes I had the Razer Naga, software bugs all the time, same with some friends.
***** Dont you mean Logitech tried to copy Razars old Naga mouse so Razar made a new version.... Btw i am a huge logitech fanboy, everything i have is logitech except my mouse(Back to the old Naga 2012) because i just finished boxing my G600 back up, it was bad.. ill post what i thought about it. in about an hour because i need to go get my RMA started to get my money back.
***** now i know it might be hard to understand that gaming was out before ya hit puberty but ill make it simple for you , Razor naga release date aug 2009, naga elite 2010, naga hex 2012, now thats 3 versions of the MMO keypad style mouse released by Razar, before logitech g600 made their version with the shift modifier button and tilt wheel ( way to be late to the party logitech) but hey... maybe you can travel back in time and delete your ridiculous last post.
Anyone that are complaining .. "My naga broke in a week.." "My logitech broke after a week" Stfu.. Both these mice are Quality mice and perform exceptionally. I personally prefer my Naga, it Just feels better to me, and I have the Blackwidow Ultimate & Megalodon so why not go for all razer products... again, both fantastic choices... it's all about feel in the end.
McNasty So you're claiming that i am somehow magically breaking ONLY my extremly expensive Razer gear (which i obviously treat more careful), but i somehow manage to keep my cheaper stuff intact which i treat with less care?... Mkay..
I have the Molten Naga and its design is very fitting to it as it DOES get warm which always causes my palm to sweat. Unless its the winter season, I have to go wash my hands and wipe off my Naga after a session of gaming. I may want to switch over now after watching this, thanks!
Logitech g600 sucks, i got hurt first time using it and the buttons at the side sucks cuz its really hard to press. Buy naga 2014 its a mechanical version of g600.
Im still not even thinking about using a mouse that made blood come out of my finger. And by mechanical i mean that the side-buttons arent mechanical +they are harder to press than the razer naga 2014 (In my opinion).
I've a Razer naga for like 4 years and Tarantula keyboard since always, they are both working fine, it scares me the amount of people that says their Razer products just break within months. I don't know if you guys are unlucky or if you rage too much and your mouses fly all across the room. I'll be buying the new Naga version again, the only thing i don't like too much about Razer is the size of their mouses, aside from that it's all good with me.
Drake Knight How does it have more stuff? "pretty long" logitech mice last as long as you use them. The only naga that can compare with g600 is naga 2014
Drake Knight i never found wireless to be that important to be honest, also found the naga uncomfortable to hold (The shape, not talking about grips or anything.) Personally i like the G600 more, but to each their own.
I bought the g600 recently and I am not disappointed. People say that there is a delay on this mouse and this is true at first but installing the drivers and updating the firmware removes the lag completely. And setting the G-shift button to something like Control works much better. Its very comfortable in every way (for me anyway) and works great for fps as you cant really press the buttons on the side by accident. There are no side buttons for back and forward, instead they are replaced by a tilting scroll wheel which works great. Great mouse, would recommend.
Not necessarily, Razer have shit software and my new Naga broke in a week. I've had the G600 for since it came out and it's still perfectly fine. Honestly, I think people think Razer is better then other companies because they put design on their products. But at the end of the day, appearance doesn't matter, performance does.
Synex Clan MAC the razer looks cooler... :3 im just being an idiot of course, but i personaly prefer the naga. just because of the fact that i have had some good experiences. but hey, its all opinion(while my opinion is probably wrong, its still my opinion)
your 100% right, on both things. i prefer Logitech's software as well. yet i stick with Razer as i prefer the shape of the mouse. there isn't a huge difference, but im a princess. i need everything to be perfect or i start crying.
As a Naga user for almost three years, I found this video incredibly helpful. I think I will definitely pick up a G600, as what she says about the Naga is true, and I'm left somewhat wanting with the mouse. I'd kind of like a change of scenery, and this looks to be the mouse that I want. I don't play MMOs, but I play MOBAs, and from what I've seen the Naga is the best sort of mouse ever, for any game. So I'm glad that the G600 matches up to it.
this review helped a lot. i have had my naga for 2-3 years now and the double click problem is not fixable anymore( cleaned it out 3 times before and this last time didnt work) and since i needed to get a new mouse anyway i thought why not try something new, and boy i am glad i got the g600
the g600 g-shift doesn't work as advertised, there's almost a 3 second delay, meaning you have to hold the g-shift button for 2-3 seconds and THEN hit the g macro key, this works terribly with MMO's when you need the macro on the g-shift to work instantly, I've contacted logitech and they told me to replace it, I replaced it and it STILL has the same problem, I told them there's something wrong with the way the mouse is made or their software and they are only giving me the run-around and dodging my questions. If you need the additional macro's via the g-shift DON'T get the g600, I'm taking this pos back to best buy and getting a razer, logitech won't admit their mouse is faulty and if you check google there are 1000's of people reporting the SAME THING.
Also, why is the ring click on the G600 not mentioned for it's advertised functionality - It's coined by Logitech as "G-Shift", and the ring click can actually be used as a pseudo-shift button. While you're holding the ring click (when it is given the "G-Shift functionality), all of the other buttons can have a SECOND function assigned to them, similar to how "Shift+C" can be assigned a different function than just "C".
Yup. Q for quick change, but they'll always roll 2 clicks on the scroll to get you with that knife. Or they can go back one or two for the various nades. During a brawl, you don't release wasd for the number buttons. Most decent older FPS players will be very proficient with the scroll wheel. Same in the Quake days.
The 2014 Naga has the scroll wheel that clicks left and right, different-shaped buttons, AND a lefty version. So this might pretty much need a new review.
Guys..... Try out the Razer Naga 2014 edition. I'm still using it til this day. No problems at all with it. After owning so many different Naga's I truly think this is the best wired gaming mouse ever made. Nice non-glossy finish on the material. And the side buttons are all mechanical. You can't beat that.
I have used the naga for about a year and a half and the thing is worn out already. The buttons double and triple click because the metal is worn out. After looking into this, I am not the only one to have this problem, it's pretty common. You may be a little cautious if your thinking about getting the naga. Mine is unusable atm, and should be getting my g600 in the mail in a few days, can't wait.
The Naga I purchased in 2012 (I think, might have been 2011) ran hot as well. When I turned off the LED's it no longer ran hot. I liked the Naga a lot, but it's too small for my hands (I'm a tall, big guy), and it caused some major hand/wrist fatigue and pain on "click heavy" games like Diablo. I miss it so much, which is why I wonder if the G600 might be big enough to have the right comfort for me and be a replacement to my long lost Naga. I love the 12 button grid.
I recently purchased the G600 thanks to your first video on Logitech mice. It is in the post now, can't wait to find out how it is. I have heard some issues on the Logitech forums about pointer lag/delay. Hopefully I don't get that issue.
Depends if you have the bomb or nades or both. Usually best keep within the 3 weapons because that never changes, so the twitch-switch is always the same.
The new naga puts those two buttons underneath your scroll wheel now. Been very happy with mine but this logitech looks good too. Thanks for the review!
Easily, friend! 1: The double click issue, 2: The 'mouse spasm' as I believe it is called issue, 3: Due to the way it was made the firmware was unable to be updated, 4: There are issues with the software for it, and 5: The Avaga 9800 sensor which is used in the mouse is known to have input lag. So it is known, I use this mouse and I do like it, and would recommend it to people - but that doesn't mean it is without faults. So maybe drop the aggression, eh?
While I haven't been to the top of the ladder, I've been quite high, and that without any fancy keyboards or mice. However, when I started to play PvP as a feral druid, things started to change. Damn, they need a lot of skills on the bars, and I just felt like using Q, E, R, T, F, V and G along with 1-5 made me extremely stressed out when I got to certain situations. That's what made me buy a Naga. To get some buttongs that are easily available. It didn't make me better, but more comfortable.
The "fingerprint resistant coating" on any Logitech mouse only works for the first 2 weeks or so before its worn off and you get the exact same gunk on it as on any other mouse so you still gotta clean it
+RockDeviI i got the g600 7 months ago , only clean it once since i was cleaning all my desktop , but the mouse doesn't really need it , looks like new even now .
I'm planning on picking up a G600 sometime next week. I've used the Naga in the past and burnt through 2 in less than 2 years, I wasn't very satisfied with the reliability, nor the size as I have "spider" hands. (long thin fingers) Anyways after the Naga's failed me I went with a Mad Catz R.A.T 7. Yet another failure, I liked the physical design of the mouse but the sensor was complete crap right out of the box. If I barely bumped my knee on my desk the cursor would go skating across the screen, or if I had my sub woofer turned up the sensor would pick up the vibrations and make the cursor dance all over.. So then I discovered AZIO. I bought my first mechanical keyboard as an AZIO the L3vetron Mech 5. Aside from being bulky its been a great keyboard, and my only complaint is the poor software. Shortly after I picked up the AZIO G8 mouse as a replacement to my R.A.T, and fell in love with it almost immediately. Perfect size for my hand, nice button layout, smooth tracking, I have no complaints other than the software. It was a great purchase for my action and shooter games. I also picked up the AZIO L3vetron Headset, for voice chat and after dark entertainment. Sub woofers are a little obnoxious in the middle of the night when I'm watching action movies. But anyways this headset has been my best one to date. Decent software, when compared to AZIO's other peripherals, great bass, huge comfy ear cups (I wear glasses, this was important), and the mic works well. I'm impressed with AZIO and hope they improve their software support/features in the future. So to wrap this up (sorry for all the rambling), I've been reading/watching reviews as I'm in the market for a MMO mouse and eventually a keyboard with better software support. I'm pretty much sold on the Logitech G600, and I'm leaning towards getting the Logitech G910 Orion Spark in a month or two. I've owned several Logitech products in the past for PC and Console and never had issues with the hardware or software. So I'm definitely gonna go with a more reliable brand this time.
I have both and I can only review them as MMO gaming mice. I bought G600 after Razor started acting up and I decided to try something new. I was dissapointed. Maybe it was me being used to Naga, but G600 just can't compare. First it's too big and too heavy. I have large hands but for small, fast and constant moving, it's too cumbersome in comparison to Naga. The difference is not huge, but after a while I noticed it. Second, and this is the G600's biggest drawback, are it's buttons. Naga has buttons that are easy to press and are flushed with surface. G600's buttons are sticking up and while they appear to be designed as ergonomically better, they fail in real life. The problem is that I constantly found myself pressing their edges and after some time I could feel it on my thumb. If they required less pressure to work, their design might become more apparent and usefull. This current design is in my opinion perfect for a more relaxed and less hectic use and not so much for fast gaming style where you often find yourself furiously pressing that button after that button in attempt to be as fast as possible.
I would completely agree until now as with the new 2014 naga mmo gaming mouse, it is alot better. Basically it does everything the G600 does except ring button and since I got mine cheaper then G600 its what I went for. Also with the synapse 2.0 which works with the gameing pads (got the tartarus) its so nice to have one program for both my gaming devices.
I'm a concert lighting designer, and I deal with hundreds of LEDs. I can tell you with certainty that LEDs do output heat, it really depends on the diode how efficient it is and therefore how much heat it outputs.
Though I've enjoyed many over the years, the one I am playing currently is Rift (with the Storm Legion expansion). Rift is much better now than it was at release and the devs are awesome.
I bought 2 G600s for work and home a while ago, excellent mouse. If you have cursor twitching issues, switch from onboard memory to PC memory for the application settings.
My Razer Naga Molten broke after 2 yrs of use.. had to go for the alternative brand: Controlpanel & Macro Settings: - Razer has a Synapse controlpanel thats fully configurable, but you must login to it everytime you use it, while Logitech has a high quality controlpanel with animated everything, full button lighting control, and with all that its still very very difficult to find the macro settings.. Design, Quality, & Feel: - Razer has a very nice design to it, and fits very nicely in my hands, though the plastic is not the best quality and it has a magnet grafted to the bottom most (top part) of the mouse.. meaning you accidently drop it on the ground, that magnet WILL break off.. has happened to me already. the logitech has a sleek design and comes in two colors (i have the white one), very high quality plastic casing on it, and the bottom of the mouse is very smooth making it very easy to glide across the mouse pad canvas Mouse Acceleration & Smoothing: - the naga molten is a 5600dpi mouse, logitech g600 is a 8200dpi mouse, most people really wouldn't need to set it higher than 800 ~ 1000 dpi, and between the two i find that the razer naga was much more smoother Price: - both mouse were the exact same price on newegg, but the logitech had free shipping Overall: for gaming, fps, moba, afk hack & botting, i'd recommend the razer naga molten, but if you want a much higher quality product with a long life cycle, and plenty of configuration options, or even something that matches your PC case? then definately go with the logitech g600
yup i am searching for a new mosue because i cannot stand the razer software having update every time i start windows ... bought the g710+ to repalce razer lycosa ... and now im very sold after watching the 2 video you made on this mouse on buying one to replace my naga epic. thanks
My main mouse has been a Naga for 4 years, and only in the past few months has it been showing signs of wearing out. I'll get a glitch or lock up once every couple of weeks now. That being said, I know I'll replace it with the G600 because that ring click looks delicious.
I'm on my 3rd Naga and the biggest issue I have, besides the gamer gunk as they called it, is the right mouse click. After a lot of use, it starts to get a "doubeclick" issue, with the issue being that when you click once, it clicks 1-4 times almost instantly. It's also extremely hard to keep the button pressed down as it'll register multiple small clicks while doing so. If you're playing any game that uses the right click, such as an FPS or an MMO, you can imagine how frustrating that gets.
I've had a Naga since 2009, and it developed right click problems in 2012. I was insanely lucky though, and so are you.. for the time being. With Razer it isn't a matter of "if" it will break, but WHEN it will break. As someone who owns 5 Razer products, i recommend anything but a Razer mouse.
On the point of durability of the Naga, it uses clear plastic posts on hard plastic nubs for RMB and LMB, its a wide spread problem that is referred to as double/tripple click problem... A lot of people think this is software, not so, its because Razer is so cheap in construction that clear plastic post runs like a plus sign, like so; + This basically means the middle gets worn out into a bevel, and it hits the nub from multiple angles, eventually it will wear out to the point you cannot click at all. How do you fix this? Well you open the mouse you paid 80 god damn dollars for and put epoxy/resin on the post so its flat again! Or electrical tape, whatever works, and yeah... So get the G600.
I would liek to mention that the early Razer Naga's also have a manufacturing defect that can make your right button double click when you press it intermittently. It's been a huge issue with mine and Razer fixed it in newer version but beware if buying them that this is a common occurrence in the older ones.
1-2 are both HEAVILY documented, as per hundreds of forum complaints, 3 is a technical thing, it cannot be updated with firmware, and there is a very known software issue between going off of on-board memory or auto game detect, feels like you're trying to justify the purchase to yourself and ignore the flaws, they're very well known if you have a look around. Also mouse spasming is actually more commonly known as "Cursor jump" so my mistake.
Some people below have dissed on logitech's support. I was having an issue with my old G9 mouse and they sent a new one, no questions asked. They didn't even bother giving me an RMA. To me that is top notch support right there. It came in 2 days. So while the problem was minor (with the cable coating sheath ripping and getting tangled and the mouse itself shedding its coating), they still were awesome about it. By far my best mouse to date. Looking at the G600 tho.
I must comment that they are using the old naga in this review. The new 2012 razer Naga (green one) has some noticeable differences. The coating is different, the right side is interchangeable with 3 different sides, also they moved 2 of the buttons.
One thing to mention is that these are palm mouses (kind obvious because of the plethora side buttons), meaning you mostly use the base of your palm to move them. This is a very personal thing but many people don't like these kinds of mouses, so try before you buy! While Logitech makes nice products, I have come to doubt their reliability. 3 G5 mouses my friends have had for about 2-3 years have died on them. Me and a friend that bought Razer Copperheads 6 years ago are still going strong.
ive had my naga molten for about 2-2 n half years now, and ive not had any problems with it, tbh it's been a great mouse i love it. but....... in the last week or so it's started to double click (Left click - apparently from wear and tear) so i did the usual opened it up, cleaned away the plastic dust from the wear, put a tiny bit of lubricant into the button, it was fine then for about 2 days and the double click started again, now ive just ordered the g600, see how it goes.
I'd say the button positioning is way more thought out than the Naga, it's more user-friendly to people who never used a 17+ button mouse before...but it's also way more flexible to varying hand-sizes. I'd say the Naga wins on the flexibility of its use for other games, it feels more natural to hold a Naga outside gaming or playing a game where you don't need a bajillion buttons. However, you likely can get comfortable eventually either way...or just have another mouse plugged in.
Have had my razer naga Molten for 4 years and it finally got the double click, getting the g600 because its only 30 bucks on amazon at the moment. all the newer nagas are really expensive.
Not 60, it was my fault, you can bind 72 commands for thumb. G600 has 3 color modes (you can switch between them - button under mouse wheel), in each mode you can bind 12 unique buttons, and using G-Shift (ring finger button) in each mode, increase this number by 2. (12x2+12x2+12x2=72)
Think im going to buy the G600 today The problem I'm having with my "old" (33 years old lol) hand is that with the way the naga feels on the right side, it feels like there is no support for my ring finger/pinky finger. I don't feel like i get a good, proper grip on the mouse and it starts to cramp my hand and my wrist. Hope the G600 with the G-shift button can help alleviate this a bit :)
I love the flatness of the thumb buttons on my 2012 Naga and am disappointed in the lack of a newer MMO mouse with them like this. All the MMO mice including the newer Nagas have the tilted buttons which I feel like they would just be a hindrance to me. My only real complaints with my 2012 Naga are (like mentioned in the video) is that it collects gunk like no other and is kind of a pain to clean off and the other issue is more of a Razer as a whole issue is how naggy the software is, hate having it nag me to restart my computer every other day to update the software and ended up just removing it entirely since I didn't really use it anyway due to the thumb buttons all working exactly like I want em right out of the box without needing the software at all. I also never noticed a heat issue on the thumb buttons like mentioned here, wonder if it is just an issue with certain batches. But ya, I've had my 2012 Naga for around 4 years now and it is finally starting to take a dump on me (left click acting up) so looking at getting a new MMO mouse. Just not sure which one I want to go with since they all have the tilted thumb buttons that I don't particularly care for since I got so used to the flat thumb buttons on my current mouse. Eyeballing the Logitech G600 and the Corsair Scimitar.
i have had the g600 for about 2 years now and only about 2 months ago something would happen where the mouse would glitch in game and make my person look down very fast, this happens in all of the games i play ie. payday 2, minecraft, insurgency etc. also the button where your ring finger sits starts to stick after a bit of use. this is just to help anyone that wants the g600
As far as durability goes, logitech beats razer by miles. They also do longer warranties. All my razer products failed after at most 1 year, except the back widow keyboard i got. Never had a broken logitech product as of yet.
My Razer Naga molten is already having double click issues after a year. My middle click stopped responding a month ago. Thinking of getting either a G600 or a G602.
The looks comes down to personal preference. What really matters is the utility software each company makes. How well can you build your macros with it and which one allows more complex macros? I dont care about colors and lights, all i need is a comftable grip and the macros, anything else is just marketing.
Honestly I was sceptical when I first got my Naga, after hearing about how easily they broke. 2 years with a Razor Naga, and 2 years with a Logitech G110 keyboard, both are holding up perfectly.
Yes i have a new Razer Naga 2014 and i tried the G600 before and the new buttons are super clicky on the Naga (mechanical) and very easy to find with the new raised design. The G600 is good but i find the new naga more comfortable and responsive.
Nice vid, decided to go with the G600 for Diablo and other games that'll benefit from it, the Logitech all over the internet seems much more well regarded(and cheaper :D) than the razer which has double clicking and other issues going back years now.
I've had my Naga for 2 years now and I'm thinking about going out and buying the G600. Simply because of the left button double click issue. It's very frustrating to try and navigate a simple web page and can't. I've opened the mouse up and cleaned it(canned air). It worked fine for a few hours. But now I notice it coming back. Has the 2014 version of the naga fixed this issue?
This also applies to Logitech mouses as well, I've had several Logitech mouses over the year and they have all broken down on me after around a year of use. I think that people got to accept that mouses to day, no matter what brand, won't last you longer the one to two years depending on what you use it for. I personally just bought my first Razer Naga yesterday and I am fully aware that I have to replace it in a year or two, but that is a small price to pay for a good MMO mouse.
All the extra buttons don't mess anything up for me. I tend to bind weapon swap/melee (if available) onto the numbers. If it doesn't mess up my aim in Quake/UT/Tribes then it's not going to mess my aim up in anything else. If the Naga didn't have as much weight as it does then maybe it might be a problem but you can press the buttons without it moving the mouse around.
This video was really "Why the G600 is better than the Razer Naga"...
Kevin Lepp Even though she used the Razer for 2 years right?
Flo Shaban I think he was more explaining how it seems this channel has _really_ seemed to be enjoying logitech products. It seems more and more that they are picking the more professional choice. (i.e. getting possible sponsorship/already being sponsored) He really meant to say it wasn't a fair comparison, more of they chose logitech because they want logitech's support.
Is this the krusty krab?
REALLY wish there'd be a wireless g600!
I've had the Razer Naga for about a year and broke... switched to the G600 and have never been more pleased. I was always a Razer fan, but, in the end I ended up with mostly Logitech stuff. Especially the G19 keyboard... damn, although it has dome keys I am still as good as when i've used mechanical keys. The slight difference doesn't really matter.
+Brent Jansma
I recall my naga feeling quite a bit better in my small hands, the only advantage
+Brent Jansma My Naga lasted 1 1/2 years, the mouse wheel just went to complete pot and the mouse would actually cutout while in use, never liked the laser from the start as it never seemed as accurate as my old logitech, which btw lasted 5 years and only had to get a new one cause I yanked the cord out on accident. Have recently gotten the G600 and already have been reminded of solid design and laser quality, the side buttons are a bit more technical but I find the notches make it where I actually look at the mouse much less than with the Naga.
Don't even get me started on the Razer Synapse software, it's beyond terribly bad, resource hog, bad profile switching and ridiculous long updates, just so terribly bad they have to change the software before I even ever consider purchasing another one. Logitech Gaming Software switches on the fly, fast and flawless, quick updates and not even close to a resource hog.
Now after looking back I would only reconsider Naga if they did a major redesign across the board, it was nice at first but just wasn't built to last and never as solid feeling as a logitech at all.
+Brandon Havard You guys must really thrash your mouses, Ive used my naga for the good part of 4 years and its sitll going strong- put many hours of it through dota2 and WoW. i have no complaints :) that being said i love logitech too - my g110 is also going on 4 years strong - and the mouse i used before this naga was mx518 optical - that lasted like 10 years and still was good before i replaced it for the naga. edit: after watchingthis video i know what i'm switching too :)
Catherine J. Palermo damn only just saw this comment, mised it!
I got my naga two years ago and treated it like an expensive car and the middle button broke after 18 months. I got a logitech g500 back in the day and treated it like garbage and that thing lasted me 3 years. I tried Razer once thinking they had good quality but never buying them again especially spending $60 on a mouse.
I bind all the G600 buttons to left click. Pro.
This may be my favorite comment ever.
Cookie clicker much?
Just slam the side onto the table. 12 clicks per second.
@@LohJiaHung or just make a macro
They should have called this video, "look at how much we shit on the razer naga"
i just got my G600 today im loving it
I have bought 3 Nagas over the years, all 3 have the double click problem even after the "solutions" on the internet. I am going to buy a G600 hopefully it wont have that issue. The Naga is a money sink.
You can actually set up a script to not allow any singular clicks to be registered within a time period, this is what I did for my naga.
James Purcell I have no idea how to do that
Evirthewarrior Me too :(
3 years man, what happened?
The first one I bought lasted like 2 months, the second one lasted like 7 years. I don’t think I’d buy another one though
the heat from the naga molten edition is from the molten edition
Real Video Title - Pros and Pros of G600
+TronTigerGO RIght....
Must be employees
Been using the G600 for a year. I love it.
Been using mine for 2 years, never switching mouses.
+Wario Bernal agree totally pal will never go back, its the little pinky button i love
Had the razer naga 2014 now for 2 years and the laser started to act weird right when warranty run out. I used the mouse every day for 8 - 24 hours (yes I game a lot!) and at least these 2 years it did not break. Just right after though.
No damage, no dirt, no software or hardware cause and I will probably get a G600 now. I can confirm all these stuff in this video (the 2014 does have a 4 way wheel though not like the old only scrolling).
I used it for every type of game, shooters, rpgs, mmos and I simply can't use any mouse anymore without at least 10 keys on the side and stuff like 8200 dpi (yes that's not as much if you configurated your mouse in windows correctly and turn it down in games). Because the corsair scrimitar is not available in Germany until 2016 and the side buttons are probably easy to miss because there is no indicator on which side button row your finger is, even though it seams to be a good mouse overall. So check that out too if you read this comment.
Razer = broke in a week. Logitech= broke in a.. uhm, around 10 years. And so freaking much better for MMO
lol i've used a razer deathadder chroma before for like 7 years, and it STILL works, but i put it on the shelf for a naga trinity, and i've had this one for 4 months.
Sucks to be you, my molten edition has worked fine for 9 years.Its heat has kept my hand warm and my macros hot for years...
My g600 buttons started to fail recently but I’ve had it for about 5 years. I also carried it in my briefcase to work everyday and between work and gaming would regularly use it 16 hours a day several days a week.. hard to complain really.
2020 and i still use my naga^^ and yes, i'm an eager gamer.. 10k+ hrs WoW and probably close to that in all my other games combined.. How's your Logitech?
@@dfaee2234 6 years of naga, same as new. Everything works perfectly. 6 years of 8-9 hours of gaming everyday. Ohh btw how's your logitech @Lasse Eriksen?
Thank you for this video. I was preparing to up my mouse button count and had several questions. You've answered them all and I am ready to make my purchase. Thank you so much for taking the time and kudos for the level of thoroughness you put into it.
Sounds like the G600 is better then.
These two actually work wonderfully together for a dual setup! G600 for the right hand and the lefty Naga in the other. The possibilities become endless, and I wouldn't replace either.
Oh... except this video was from before Naga had a left-hand version.
Not sure why anyone thinks a Naga is better, razer can't make software for shit. Nagas have terrible power management and will have connection issues when sharing with other high-powered devices such as other razer products, or large usb hard drives.
Also, some of the worst customer service comes from razer, they give chrome looks to overrate plastic garbage. Logitech is just the solid company, they make some shit that really doesn't impress me, but at least they never make shit with goals that they really cannot accommodate for. Naga's are small and their "large" extensions are a bigger Tiny mouse at best. From finger to palm-edge my hands are almost 9 inches. Little girls typically don't use Naga's. Younger, men, adults typically do. I expected it to be at least a reasonable size to fit closer to my freakish pianist hands.
Logitech's software should be the reason you DON'T buy a naga. Razer Synapse is a fucking joke. Programmers would be disgusted with the exclusiveness of its ability. They really should have beta tested it properly before hand. Their beta test required all people upgrade to the new version and it didnt work with half of their devices for YEARS. For example the Razer Megalodon headset does not work with windows 7, some random guy made a fix for it and razer gives a link to his download page to fix it.
Compare Logitech Gaming Software to Razer Synapse. Logitech wins.
Agree, but the problem with Logitech lies in the software. It's rare (which is great) But very difficult to fix, and on thier forums some critical issues has been going on for 2-3 years. Eventhough this doubbleclicking is driving me insane, i still can't hate my g600.
My naga, on the other hand, lies with a right and left click stuck, a slow scroll and a laggy response+some broken buttons. Now that's what i call quallity!
i concur. i freaking hate synlapse. it pisses me off for some odd reasons. i just dont like a freaking program that needs to be open to freaking use the programmable buttons.
And it needs you to register for a fucking Razer peripheral?!! Style over substance, oh and that packaging, that's why they're so expensive!
ShallowDepression My g600 was in an identical package as the 2014 naga. :P
Wwald Screw both of these, I've just been watching vids of the R.A.T 7 MMO mouse and I'm sold, looks so good :)
Hi Nick, I asked this on their comments/discussion. The new Razer is more in-line as a competitor and answer to the G600. They key questions are about the shape/feel and responsiveness of the side buttons; whether or not the lack of a third click (Gshift G600) button makes the Razer less desirable and the overall feel of the two devices.
"gamer smegma" lmao
It’s mid August 2018 as I type this and I’ve had my glorious G600 since 2013. After 5 years of constant, vigorous use, it’s finally giving me problems. Double clicking and losing its tracking. I see people with their razer nagas saying they had to replace theirs 2 or 3 times. It took 5 years for me to replace mine. The build quality of the G600 is amazing. But of course, no mouse lasts forever.
I was actually thinking about getting the Razer Naga Trinity just because it’s something different, but I think I’m just going to go ahead and buy another G600 seeing as how fucking reliable it is.
The side buttons are designed purely for your thumb, it has a ring finger third mouse button which you can program to shift or any other key, and the scroll wheel tilts left and right giving you 2 more key bindings or shortcuts.The Naga doesn’t have any of that. Not even the Razer Naga Trinity which is their latest version as of August 2018.
It’s true what they say, Razer quality has gone down and their prices have gone up. I’ve been using Logitech products since I was a kid and all of my Logitech peripherals work like a charm. That’s one brand I can rely on when it comes to gaming.
TL;DR: Get a G600 if you want a GOOD mmorpg mouse. It lasts longer and has better button options. Don’t even think about it, just do it.
MMO mice? Never even played without one, have both of the mice in the vid :) They work really good with fpses.
+Echo Mice*
+. Thx, sorry you had to see that.
Echo
xD No problem, I'm just a bit of a Grammar Nazi sometimes.
Thank you guys for making a video comparing these two. I'm thinking of getting G600 because I've had my Naga for about 3 years I want to say, and it's starting to do this double click thing whenever I click the left mouse button. I've searched for remedies to this but, Razer reccommends that I re-install the drivers, which didn't work. While people online say I have to actually take apart the thing which I don't feel comfortable doing.
Oh, well. There is a Lefty Naga though. Always been
I think you forgot to mention that with the G600 you can use the ring finger click as "G Alt" wich doubles the ammount of macros assigned to 1 button
The original Naga was the best Naga. These new versions are complete crap. I had my original naga for 3 years and I had to replace it due to it finally crapping out after many many hours. THe new naga had a broken button 3 months in and it has a uniform button feel making it hard to tell which buttons you're on.
I agree I got my 2014 Razer Naga back in 2014 when it was released and its shitting right now, usb plugin cord is getting all fucked up the mouse constantly freezes, you need specific settings in order for the mouse not to freak out when you lift it and set it back down on the mousepad. I wouldn't recommend any new razer naga either to anyone watching this video currently. The quality is still ass even after two years. They released the razer naga epic chroma, and that has the same problem so you'd be safe buying a G600.
Made up my decision - G-600 (thumb buttons, I can determine easier which button is which).
G A M E R S M E G M A
I have a con for the G600 (I've used it for about a year now) - I've found that if I press the left click button too "hard" it will actually trigger the middle click as well. I have not tested this on multiple mice (it's not a big enough complaint for me, so I didn't take it in to get a new one or anything) but it was just something I noticed.
Razer software SUCKS! Also my Naga broke and I'm not even a gamer.
Buying the G600 soon
+Christian Angelo Nilsén As a user of both Razer and Logitech, Logitech have the most software bugs and I"ve yet to come across any software issues with Razer.
My Logitech G910 keyboard and G930 headset both have software issues and Logitech are still sending out software fixes for the keyboard (one got released not 4 days ago fixing the lighting leds cause a previous patch prevented us from getting orange and purple on our leds, another patch 5 months ago switched off the leds on our media keys permenently and was fixed 2 months later), when I first got it last year I put it on the star effect lighting mode and it caused a memory leak causing the logitech gaming software to use up to 14GB of RAM. You can even go to the logitech forums and see a dude who posted a screenshot of his logitech gaming software using up to 24GB of RAM, and you say Razer software sucks? have you even used Razer software?!
+Skelath That sound terrible. 24gb RAM is just riddiculus. Have the G600 now. First one was broke, changed it. Quality is not what it used to be I guess.
Yes I had the Razer Naga, software bugs all the time, same with some friends.
My naga 'broke' like a week in. Unfortunately I was in a situation where i couldn't warranty it (i was travelling out of the country) :(
So your mouse can only break if you're a gamer? genius
Christian Angelo Nilsén if your not a gamer, then why are you buying a mmo mouse?
She's games more than any of us and writes more gaming articles... and tests more gaming products. We all do game a lot though.
g600 vs naga 2014, please?
***** Dont you mean Logitech tried to copy Razars old Naga mouse so Razar made a new version.... Btw i am a huge logitech fanboy, everything i have is logitech except my mouse(Back to the old Naga 2012) because i just finished boxing my G600 back up, it was bad.. ill post what i thought about it. in about an hour because i need to go get my RMA started to get my money back.
***** now i know it might be hard to understand that gaming was out before ya hit puberty but ill make it simple for you , Razor naga release date aug 2009, naga elite 2010, naga hex 2012, now thats 3 versions of the MMO keypad style mouse released by Razar, before logitech g600 made their version with the shift modifier button and tilt wheel ( way to be late to the party logitech) but hey... maybe you can travel back in time and delete your ridiculous last post.
***** if they arnt alike then why do they compare them...
Syst1 It was far from a copy. It was a direct design and component upgrade really.
no flashy shit, no stupid jokes, just a good review full of information, i'll sub
Anyone that are complaining .. "My naga broke in a week.." "My logitech broke after a week" Stfu.. Both these mice are Quality mice and perform exceptionally. I personally prefer my Naga, it Just feels better to me, and I have the Blackwidow Ultimate & Megalodon so why not go for all razer products...
again, both fantastic choices... it's all about feel in the end.
i guess its nice to only need one piece of software to control all your peripherals
All of my Razer products actually broke extremly quick :P
and all of my friends logitech products broke within weeks of owning, especially the headsets. It's the user, not the company.
McNasty So you're claiming that i am somehow magically breaking ONLY my extremly expensive Razer gear (which i obviously treat more careful), but i somehow manage to keep my cheaper stuff intact which i treat with less care?... Mkay..
Widgy McNasty Not that break fast ... but we must care
I have the Molten Naga and its design is very fitting to it as it DOES get warm which always causes my palm to sweat. Unless its the winter season, I have to go wash my hands and wipe off my Naga after a session of gaming. I may want to switch over now after watching this, thanks!
Logitech g600 sucks, i got hurt first time using it and the buttons at the side sucks cuz its really hard to press.
Buy naga 2014 its a mechanical version of g600.
G600 is mechanical... lol
Im still not even thinking about using a mouse that made blood come out of my finger.
And by mechanical i mean that the side-buttons arent mechanical +they are harder to press than the razer naga 2014 (In my opinion).
the scroll was cindoff bad on the one i used.
Sorry thought wrong, it was like above the scroll a sharp part, hard to explain because im not really good at english
I've a Razer naga for like 4 years and Tarantula keyboard since always, they are both working fine, it scares me the amount of people that says their Razer products just break within months. I don't know if you guys are unlucky or if you rage too much and your mouses fly all across the room. I'll be buying the new Naga version again, the only thing i don't like too much about Razer is the size of their mouses, aside from that it's all good with me.
Around the same situation for me, and mine is still working perfectly
Naga Epic version is way better than the Molten and beats Logitech easy.
Naga Epic is 2 times more expensive ;] Just bought Logitech G600 and my hand love it. ;]
more expensive yea but I bought mine for $110 and its lasted pretty long and has more stuff. Plus its wireless or wired.
Drake Knight How does it have more stuff? "pretty long" logitech mice last as long as you use them.
The only naga that can compare with g600 is naga 2014
It has extra grips a wireless charging dock, things like that.
Drake Knight
i never found wireless to be that important to be honest, also found the naga uncomfortable to hold (The shape, not talking about grips or anything.)
Personally i like the G600 more, but to each their own.
I bought the g600 recently and I am not disappointed. People say that there is a delay on this mouse and this is true at first but installing the drivers and updating the firmware removes the lag completely. And setting the G-shift button to something like Control works much better. Its very comfortable in every way (for me anyway) and works great for fps as you cant really press the buttons on the side by accident. There are no side buttons for back and forward, instead they are replaced by a tilting scroll wheel which works great. Great mouse, would recommend.
Why compare when we all know that razer beats all the gaming brand and dont get fool by a brand named "mazer"
Not necessarily, Razer have shit software and my new Naga broke in a week. I've had the G600 for since it came out and it's still perfectly fine. Honestly, I think people think Razer is better then other companies because they put design on their products. But at the end of the day, appearance doesn't matter, performance does.
Synex Clan MAC the razer looks cooler... :3
im just being an idiot of course, but i personaly prefer the naga. just because of the fact that i have had some good experiences. but hey, its all opinion(while my opinion is probably wrong, its still my opinion)
Zwhistle Yeah, I'm not saying it's bad. Both of them are definitely good. But Logitech have superior software.
your 100% right, on both things. i prefer Logitech's software as well. yet i stick with Razer as i prefer the shape of the mouse. there isn't a huge difference, but im a princess. i need everything to be perfect or i start crying.
Zwhistle Haha, same here.
As a Naga user for almost three years, I found this video incredibly helpful. I think I will definitely pick up a G600, as what she says about the Naga is true, and I'm left somewhat wanting with the mouse. I'd kind of like a change of scenery, and this looks to be the mouse that I want.
I don't play MMOs, but I play MOBAs, and from what I've seen the Naga is the best sort of mouse ever, for any game. So I'm glad that the G600 matches up to it.
this review helped a lot. i have had my naga for 2-3 years now and the double click problem is not fixable anymore( cleaned it out 3 times before and this last time didnt work) and since i needed to get a new mouse anyway i thought why not try something new, and boy i am glad i got the g600
The warmth on the Naga is entirely the LEDs. If you turn off the lighting in Synapse the Naga runs cold.
the g600 g-shift doesn't work as advertised, there's almost a 3 second delay, meaning you have to hold the g-shift button for 2-3 seconds and THEN hit the g macro key, this works terribly with MMO's when you need the macro on the g-shift to work instantly, I've contacted logitech and they told me to replace it, I replaced it and it STILL has the same problem, I told them there's something wrong with the way the mouse is made or their software and they are only giving me the run-around and dodging my questions. If you need the additional macro's via the g-shift DON'T get the g600, I'm taking this pos back to best buy and getting a razer, logitech won't admit their mouse is faulty and if you check google there are 1000's of people reporting the SAME THING.
As someone who has had issues with the naga previously, and was considering changing to the g600, this was very informatve.
Dimensions
Naga: 116*70*46 134grams
g600:180*75*41 133grams
Also, why is the ring click on the G600 not mentioned for it's advertised functionality - It's coined by Logitech as "G-Shift", and the ring click can actually be used as a pseudo-shift button. While you're holding the ring click (when it is given the "G-Shift functionality), all of the other buttons can have a SECOND function assigned to them, similar to how "Shift+C" can be assigned a different function than just "C".
Yup. Q for quick change, but they'll always roll 2 clicks on the scroll to get you with that knife. Or they can go back one or two for the various nades.
During a brawl, you don't release wasd for the number buttons. Most decent older FPS players will be very proficient with the scroll wheel. Same in the Quake days.
The 2014 Naga has the scroll wheel that clicks left and right, different-shaped buttons, AND a lefty version. So this might pretty much need a new review.
Guys..... Try out the Razer Naga 2014 edition. I'm still using it til this day. No problems at all with it. After owning so many different Naga's I truly think this is the best wired gaming mouse ever made. Nice non-glossy finish on the material. And the side buttons are all mechanical. You can't beat that.
Anyone watching this video, keep in mind, the Naga has newer models that have solved the side buttons, making each one noticeably different.
I have used the naga for about a year and a half and the thing is worn out already. The buttons double and triple click because the metal is worn out. After looking into this, I am not the only one to have this problem, it's pretty common. You may be a little cautious if your thinking about getting the naga. Mine is unusable atm, and should be getting my g600 in the mail in a few days, can't wait.
The Naga I purchased in 2012 (I think, might have been 2011) ran hot as well. When I turned off the LED's it no longer ran hot. I liked the Naga a lot, but it's too small for my hands (I'm a tall, big guy), and it caused some major hand/wrist fatigue and pain on "click heavy" games like Diablo. I miss it so much, which is why I wonder if the G600 might be big enough to have the right comfort for me and be a replacement to my long lost Naga. I love the 12 button grid.
I recently purchased the G600 thanks to your first video on Logitech mice. It is in the post now, can't wait to find out how it is. I have heard some issues on the Logitech forums about pointer lag/delay. Hopefully I don't get that issue.
They said in the specific G600 review that it does use metal switches. You could also google the specs to confirm that.
Depends if you have the bomb or nades or both. Usually best keep within the 3 weapons because that never changes, so the twitch-switch is always the same.
The new naga puts those two buttons underneath your scroll wheel now. Been very happy with mine but this logitech looks good too. Thanks for the review!
Easily, friend! 1: The double click issue, 2: The 'mouse spasm' as I believe it is called issue, 3: Due to the way it was made the firmware was unable to be updated, 4: There are issues with the software for it, and 5: The Avaga 9800 sensor which is used in the mouse is known to have input lag.
So it is known, I use this mouse and I do like it, and would recommend it to people - but that doesn't mean it is without faults. So maybe drop the aggression, eh?
THIS. I've had my Naos 3200 for over 3 years now, and it's still as brand new, except for some wear and tear on the outer coating.
While I haven't been to the top of the ladder, I've been quite high, and that without any fancy keyboards or mice. However, when I started to play PvP as a feral druid, things started to change. Damn, they need a lot of skills on the bars, and I just felt like using Q, E, R, T, F, V and G along with 1-5 made me extremely stressed out when I got to certain situations. That's what made me buy a Naga. To get some buttongs that are easily available. It didn't make me better, but more comfortable.
The "fingerprint resistant coating" on any Logitech mouse only works for the first 2 weeks or so before its worn off and you get the exact same gunk on it as on any other mouse so you still gotta clean it
+RockDeviI i got the g600 7 months ago , only clean it once since i was cleaning all my desktop , but the mouse doesn't really need it , looks like new even now .
ive had the g600 for 2 years and never had to clean it ;)
I'm planning on picking up a G600 sometime next week. I've used the Naga in the past and burnt through 2 in less than 2 years, I wasn't very satisfied with the reliability, nor the size as I have "spider" hands. (long thin fingers) Anyways after the Naga's failed me I went with a Mad Catz R.A.T 7. Yet another failure, I liked the physical design of the mouse but the sensor was complete crap right out of the box. If I barely bumped my knee on my desk the cursor would go skating across the screen, or if I had my sub woofer turned up the sensor would pick up the vibrations and make the cursor dance all over..
So then I discovered AZIO. I bought my first mechanical keyboard as an AZIO the L3vetron Mech 5. Aside from being bulky its been a great keyboard, and my only complaint is the poor software. Shortly after I picked up the AZIO G8 mouse as a replacement to my R.A.T, and fell in love with it almost immediately. Perfect size for my hand, nice button layout, smooth tracking, I have no complaints other than the software. It was a great purchase for my action and shooter games. I also picked up the AZIO L3vetron Headset, for voice chat and after dark entertainment. Sub woofers are a little obnoxious in the middle of the night when I'm watching action movies. But anyways this headset has been my best one to date. Decent software, when compared to AZIO's other peripherals, great bass, huge comfy ear cups (I wear glasses, this was important), and the mic works well. I'm impressed with AZIO and hope they improve their software support/features in the future.
So to wrap this up (sorry for all the rambling), I've been reading/watching reviews as I'm in the market for a MMO mouse and eventually a keyboard with better software support. I'm pretty much sold on the Logitech G600, and I'm leaning towards getting the Logitech G910 Orion Spark in a month or two. I've owned several Logitech products in the past for PC and Console and never had issues with the hardware or software. So I'm definitely gonna go with a more reliable brand this time.
I have both and I can only review them as MMO gaming mice. I bought G600 after Razor started acting up and I decided to try something new.
I was dissapointed. Maybe it was me being used to Naga, but G600 just can't compare. First it's too big and too heavy. I have large hands but for small, fast and constant moving, it's too cumbersome in comparison to Naga. The difference is not huge, but after a while I noticed it.
Second, and this is the G600's biggest drawback, are it's buttons. Naga has buttons that are easy to press and are flushed with surface. G600's buttons are sticking up and while they appear to be designed as ergonomically better, they fail in real life. The problem is that I constantly found myself pressing their edges and after some time I could feel it on my thumb. If they required less pressure to work, their design might become more apparent and usefull. This current design is in my opinion perfect for a more relaxed and less hectic use and not so much for fast gaming style where you often find yourself furiously pressing that button after that button in attempt to be as fast as possible.
I would completely agree until now as with the new 2014 naga mmo gaming mouse, it is alot better. Basically it does everything the G600 does except ring button and since I got mine cheaper then G600 its what I went for.
Also with the synapse 2.0 which works with the gameing pads (got the tartarus) its so nice to have one program for both my gaming devices.
I'm a concert lighting designer, and I deal with hundreds of LEDs. I can tell you with certainty that LEDs do output heat, it really depends on the diode how efficient it is and therefore how much heat it outputs.
Though I've enjoyed many over the years, the one I am playing currently is Rift (with the Storm Legion expansion). Rift is much better now than it was at release and the devs are awesome.
Works just fine for me. Haven't had any issues with the software with multiple Logitech products using it simultaneously.
I bought 2 G600s for work and home a while ago, excellent mouse. If you have cursor twitching issues, switch from onboard memory to PC memory for the application settings.
My Razer Naga Molten broke after 2 yrs of use.. had to go for the alternative brand:
Controlpanel & Macro Settings:
- Razer has a Synapse controlpanel thats fully configurable, but you must login to it everytime you use it, while Logitech has a high quality controlpanel with animated everything, full button lighting control, and with all that its still very very difficult to find the macro settings..
Design, Quality, & Feel:
- Razer has a very nice design to it, and fits very nicely in my hands, though the plastic is not the best quality and it has a magnet grafted to the bottom most (top part) of the mouse.. meaning you accidently drop it on the ground, that magnet WILL break off.. has happened to me already. the logitech has a sleek design and comes in two colors (i have the white one), very high quality plastic casing on it, and the bottom of the mouse is very smooth making it very easy to glide across the mouse pad canvas
Mouse Acceleration & Smoothing:
- the naga molten is a 5600dpi mouse, logitech g600 is a 8200dpi mouse, most people really wouldn't need to set it higher than 800 ~ 1000 dpi, and between the two i find that the razer naga was much more smoother
Price:
- both mouse were the exact same price on newegg, but the logitech had free shipping
Overall:
for gaming, fps, moba, afk hack & botting, i'd recommend the razer naga molten, but if you want a much higher quality product with a long life cycle, and plenty of configuration options, or even something that matches your PC case? then definately go with the logitech g600
yup i am searching for a new mosue because i cannot stand the razer software having update every time i start windows ... bought the g710+ to repalce razer lycosa ... and now im very sold after watching the 2 video you made on this mouse on buying one to replace my naga epic. thanks
My main mouse has been a Naga for 4 years, and only in the past few months has it been showing signs of wearing out. I'll get a glitch or lock up once every couple of weeks now. That being said, I know I'll replace it with the G600 because that ring click looks delicious.
I just love these endings on the videos btw, keep up that good work!
I'm on my 3rd Naga and the biggest issue I have, besides the gamer gunk as they called it, is the right mouse click. After a lot of use, it starts to get a "doubeclick" issue, with the issue being that when you click once, it clicks 1-4 times almost instantly. It's also extremely hard to keep the button pressed down as it'll register multiple small clicks while doing so. If you're playing any game that uses the right click, such as an FPS or an MMO, you can imagine how frustrating that gets.
The old razer naga is the best mmo mouse ever created, no idea why they stopped producing it
I've had a Naga since 2009, and it developed right click problems in 2012. I was insanely lucky though, and so are you.. for the time being.
With Razer it isn't a matter of "if" it will break, but WHEN it will break. As someone who owns 5 Razer products, i recommend anything but a Razer mouse.
On the point of durability of the Naga, it uses clear plastic posts on hard plastic nubs for RMB and LMB, its a wide spread problem that is referred to as double/tripple click problem... A lot of people think this is software, not so, its because Razer is so cheap in construction that clear plastic post runs like a plus sign, like so;
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This basically means the middle gets worn out into a bevel, and it hits the nub from multiple angles, eventually it will wear out to the point you cannot click at all. How do you fix this? Well you open the mouse you paid 80 god damn dollars for and put epoxy/resin on the post so its flat again! Or electrical tape, whatever works, and yeah...
So get the G600.
I would liek to mention that the early Razer Naga's also have a manufacturing defect that can make your right button double click when you press it intermittently. It's been a huge issue with mine and Razer fixed it in newer version but beware if buying them that this is a common occurrence in the older ones.
1-2 are both HEAVILY documented, as per hundreds of forum complaints, 3 is a technical thing, it cannot be updated with firmware, and there is a very known software issue between going off of on-board memory or auto game detect, feels like you're trying to justify the purchase to yourself and ignore the flaws, they're very well known if you have a look around. Also mouse spasming is actually more commonly known as "Cursor jump" so my mistake.
Some people below have dissed on logitech's support. I was having an issue with my old G9 mouse and they sent a new one, no questions asked. They didn't even bother giving me an RMA. To me that is top notch support right there. It came in 2 days. So while the problem was minor (with the cable coating sheath ripping and getting tangled and the mouse itself shedding its coating), they still were awesome about it. By far my best mouse to date. Looking at the G600 tho.
I must comment that they are using the old naga in this review. The new 2012 razer Naga (green one) has some noticeable differences. The coating is different, the right side is interchangeable with 3 different sides, also they moved 2 of the buttons.
One thing to mention is that these are palm mouses (kind obvious because of the plethora side buttons), meaning you mostly use the base of your palm to move them. This is a very personal thing but many people don't like these kinds of mouses, so try before you buy!
While Logitech makes nice products, I have come to doubt their reliability. 3 G5 mouses my friends have had for about 2-3 years have died on them. Me and a friend that bought Razer Copperheads 6 years ago are still going strong.
ive had my naga molten for about 2-2 n half years now, and ive not had any problems with it, tbh it's been a great mouse i love it. but....... in the last week or so it's started to double click (Left click - apparently from wear and tear) so i did the usual opened it up, cleaned away the plastic dust from the wear, put a tiny bit of lubricant into the button, it was fine then for about 2 days and the double click started again, now ive just ordered the g600, see how it goes.
I'd say the button positioning is way more thought out than the Naga, it's more user-friendly to people who never used a 17+ button mouse before...but it's also way more flexible to varying hand-sizes.
I'd say the Naga wins on the flexibility of its use for other games, it feels more natural to hold a Naga outside gaming or playing a game where you don't need a bajillion buttons. However, you likely can get comfortable eventually either way...or just have another mouse plugged in.
Have had my razer naga Molten for 4 years and it finally got the double click, getting the g600 because its only 30 bucks on amazon at the moment. all the newer nagas are really expensive.
Not 60, it was my fault, you can bind 72 commands for thumb. G600 has 3 color modes (you can switch between them - button under mouse wheel), in each mode you can bind 12 unique buttons, and using G-Shift (ring finger button) in each mode, increase this number by 2. (12x2+12x2+12x2=72)
Think im going to buy the G600 today
The problem I'm having with my "old" (33 years old lol) hand is that with the way the naga feels on the right side, it feels like there is no support for my ring finger/pinky finger. I don't feel like i get a good, proper grip on the mouse and it starts to cramp my hand and my wrist.
Hope the G600 with the G-shift button can help alleviate this a bit :)
I love the flatness of the thumb buttons on my 2012 Naga and am disappointed in the lack of a newer MMO mouse with them like this. All the MMO mice including the newer Nagas have the tilted buttons which I feel like they would just be a hindrance to me. My only real complaints with my 2012 Naga are (like mentioned in the video) is that it collects gunk like no other and is kind of a pain to clean off and the other issue is more of a Razer as a whole issue is how naggy the software is, hate having it nag me to restart my computer every other day to update the software and ended up just removing it entirely since I didn't really use it anyway due to the thumb buttons all working exactly like I want em right out of the box without needing the software at all. I also never noticed a heat issue on the thumb buttons like mentioned here, wonder if it is just an issue with certain batches.
But ya, I've had my 2012 Naga for around 4 years now and it is finally starting to take a dump on me (left click acting up) so looking at getting a new MMO mouse. Just not sure which one I want to go with since they all have the tilted thumb buttons that I don't particularly care for since I got so used to the flat thumb buttons on my current mouse. Eyeballing the Logitech G600 and the Corsair Scimitar.
the naga molten shwon in the video DOES have a ring click i own one and ring click is what fires missiles in star citizen by default
i have had the g600 for about 2 years now and only about 2 months ago something would happen where the mouse would glitch in game and make my person look down very fast, this happens in all of the games i play ie. payday 2, minecraft, insurgency etc. also the button where your ring finger sits starts to stick after a bit of use. this is just to help anyone that wants the g600
As far as durability goes, logitech beats razer by miles. They also do longer warranties. All my razer products failed after at most 1 year, except the back widow keyboard i got. Never had a broken logitech product as of yet.
My Razer Naga molten is already having double click issues after a year. My middle click stopped responding a month ago. Thinking of getting either a G600 or a G602.
The looks comes down to personal preference. What really matters is the utility software each company makes. How well can you build your macros with it and which one allows more complex macros? I dont care about colors and lights, all i need is a comftable grip and the macros, anything else is just marketing.
Honestly I was sceptical when I first got my Naga, after hearing about how easily they broke. 2 years with a Razor Naga, and 2 years with a Logitech G110 keyboard, both are holding up perfectly.
Yes i have a new Razer Naga 2014 and i tried the G600 before and the new buttons are super clicky on the Naga (mechanical) and very easy to find with the new raised design. The G600 is good but i find the new naga more comfortable and responsive.
Nice vid, decided to go with the G600 for Diablo and other games that'll benefit from it, the Logitech all over the internet seems much more well regarded(and cheaper :D) than the razer which has double clicking and other issues going back years now.
I laughed my ass off with the "Gamer smegma" part.
I've had my Naga for 2 years now and I'm thinking about going out and buying the G600. Simply because of the left button double click issue. It's very frustrating to try and navigate a simple web page and can't. I've opened the mouse up and cleaned it(canned air). It worked fine for a few hours. But now I notice it coming back. Has the 2014 version of the naga fixed this issue?
Naga has a Left-handed version btw. This video is pretty old. Should be updated.
This also applies to Logitech mouses as well, I've had several Logitech mouses over the year and they have all broken down on me after around a year of use.
I think that people got to accept that mouses to day, no matter what brand, won't last you longer the one to two years depending on what you use it for.
I personally just bought my first Razer Naga yesterday and I am fully aware that I have to replace it in a year or two, but that is a small price to pay for a good MMO mouse.
The G600 is a better mouse for sure, but that old-naga shape was so gorgeous! I can't believe that razer gave the new nagas a new shape.
All the extra buttons don't mess anything up for me. I tend to bind weapon swap/melee (if available) onto the numbers. If it doesn't mess up my aim in Quake/UT/Tribes then it's not going to mess my aim up in anything else. If the Naga didn't have as much weight as it does then maybe it might be a problem but you can press the buttons without it moving the mouse around.