The amount of self sabotage people pulled off in BCS and BB is actually pretty impressive. So many opportunities to come out ahead were squandered on pride, ego, revenge....you name it. Costing most of the main cast everything in the end.
Agreed. That's what makes this show so real, as well as heartbreaking for the audience. There were so many times when they could have turned around and made a good life for themselves.
We were robbed of Kim and Cliff scene in the sequel timeline. I think Cliff’s reaction of Kim revealing the truth would be more impactful than those of Cheryl because unlike Cheryl, Cliff has a deeper relationship with Kim. He had so much faith in Kim that he set a lunch meeting for her and it’s must be shocking for him to know that Kim was the one who ruined Howard’s life and Howard was correct the whole time (because in case of Jimmy, Cliff would be like “Yep, Howard might sound crazy at that time but looking back at it, scamming people is Jimmy’s thing as of course he’s done that to Howard” but in case of Kim, it’s world-shattering because like everyone else, especially the audience in real life, Cliff saw Kim as a morally pure hero).
Cliff might not be alive at that point in the story cause he’s already pretty old and could either be dead or not have the best recollection of events (dementia)
@@RedNinja0070 I watched my great aunt go from normal functioning human to completely unable to function and incapable of memory over the course of 4 years. It happens. Not saying that is 100% what happened but if you want your own head canon to why we didn’t get a Cliff reaction that’s a possibility.
@danthehippo4275 or its just a show so enough overthinking my dude Regardless of our opinion on this show, I cant help but extend my sympathies to you and your family over this tragedy. It's something horrible and I would never wish that on anyone (Certainly never you my dude). I know that feeling of not being remembered by a loved one.. It sucks horribly and if that person is suffering from dementia... I can never ... So yes I can obviously see your point regarding Cliff ( from your perspective). I hope you're all doing well Dan.
They couldn’t get a hold of Kim so perhaps she just didn’t care about Albuquerque anymore, they only got her to come back because Saul lied about involving her in the statement.
This is THE moment for her. The point of no return. She could’ve had the law career that truly helped people that she always wanted and she threw it away for the pettiest revenge plot imaginable. We all love Kim Wexler, but she deserved to be in prison right next to Jimmy.
The heads of the law firms in BCS come across as such professional, courteous, and forthright characters. Cliff Main, Rick Schweikart, Howard Hamlin. They're genuinely supportive of both Kim and Jimmy, and always get burned for it. Cliff even asks how Jimmy's doing when he sees Kim, in one scee, after his last interaction with him was over the younger McGill brother's over-the-top antics at Davis & Main. It's refreshing, really. Everybody loves the caricature of the sleazeball lawyer, often because we've had a run-in with one or two. And we got that with Saul in BB and in his more colorful moments in BCS. But the show goes out of its way to demonstrate that there's another path Jimmy and Kim could have, should have followed.
I know a number of attorneys, some are close friends. All are partners at their firms. And they're all very normal, decent, funny people. They're also smart, motivated, hard-working people. But none of them are sleazeballs or ambulance chasers or whatever.
Cliff didn't see through Kim, he didn't see through Jimmy, and it's implied that his own son has ripped him off a thousand times. Cliff always gave me the impression of someone who is too good to be in the position he's in, someone who always sees the best in people and somehow still manages to remain in a position of authority and respect despite taking hit after hit as consequences of his optimism.
@@spyrath1935 When they fooled him to believe that Howard was a coke addict and regular customer of prostitutes, I felt worse for Cliff than for Howard himself, because he's really such a kind person and they just use him and destroy his friendship with Howard as well. And when Jimmy played bagpipes, I also could barely watch :D
I wonder why Cliff said she was more or less making minimum wage. If she made 700 dollars for 50 hours that would be 14 dollars an hour, way about New Mexico's $5.25 2004 minimum wage
And now we get to theorize wether that was a writer's mistake or done on purpose to show how detached these elite lawyers are from regular Joes. My money's on mistake, because minimum wage is defined by law.
he also just didnt actually pause to do the math, it was an off the cuff comment that demonstrated he knew the value she was bringing to the table compared to what she was being paid
You can see in Kims face after he says it they both know its not ACTUALLY minimum wage but for the work shes putting in and the money she could easily be making it might aswell be.
I don't know if it's better, I can give you 10 arguments why BB is better than BCS and then, another 10 why BCS is better, and then other 10 arguments, and again, and again, and again, forever. But I prefer to think that both are masterpieces and with that, I am happy.
@@DeanCalhoun I think your phrasing throws off your meaning. You make it sound like Kim and Jimmy threw her life away or that by getting involved with Jimmy, Kim threw her life away when I think what you mean is that Kim and Jimmy threw their lives away.
@@henrypeters5291 I appreciate your input, but have to disagree. “Throwing her life away *with* Jimmy” pretty clearly implies that it is something that they both did together
1:38 That's the POV shot of Jimmy Defecating Through A Sunroof Lol But in all seriousness, I always loved this shot. In the same episode in the beginning we see Howard brewing his wife an exquisite cup of coffee, made with love. Only for her dumping it carelessly into her thermos can & leaving, while Howard & his wife being emotionally distant throughout. While in this scene, the coffee is probably sub par in quality & also gets dumped in carelessly by the vending machine, but we see Kim & Cliff having a very close & connected conversation. Which goes to show that no matter how much money you have, the true wealth comes from having deep & meaningful relationships with people. Many financially poor people are often the kindest & have family meals together, & would share & laugh together & don't even have time to argue about trivial things in the first place. While the rich elite couple has dinner in utter silence & makes awkward small talk about the stock market. This show has countless of these parallel shots which is why BCS is a utter cinematographic masterpiece.
i felt so sorry for Howard when his wife didnt even notice the work of art he did for her. and how anxious he was looking at her as she was pouring that coffe into her thermo, hoping to get a response from her. that man really wanted to change, and he didnt deserve what happened to him
@@karadanianoI He was a pushover though. Trying to save the firm by bankrupting himself was a very noble decision, too bad his wife couldn't see that. Maybe he should've confronted her about that. I don't even blame her, it takes two to tango and being very wealthy is like a drug with no negative side-effects. At first it feels amazing and blissfull, but over time you get used to it. And when the day comes that you lose your wealth you'll find yourself unable to adjust to a life without it. You will feel depressed and worthless for living a life that millions of others already learned to enjoy and to be content with. Hardship is what unites people and makes them grow (or break), that's why poor people are emotionally richer than wealthy people. Being very wealthy makes you an outsider, because you don't understand how it feels to be a regular Joe. Being able to buy everything you want doesn't make you happy. I'm not poor and I'm certainly not wealthy, so I own a lot of power tools and hand tools and do it myself. After finishing a repair I don't feel ashamed because I couldn't afford a handyman, instead I'm content and feel good about myself because I have skill and don't have to rely on others. And when you're wealthy, you always have that nagging feeling that maybe people are only faking affection because they want something out of you. That's why I would never get married. It can only ruin a relationship, but never make it grow.
The amount of self sabotage people pulled off in BCS and BB is actually pretty impressive. So many opportunities to come out ahead were squandered on pride, ego, revenge....you name it. Costing most of the main cast everything in the end.
In real life the people does the same
Agreed. That's what makes this show so real, as well as heartbreaking for the audience. There were so many times when they could have turned around and made a good life for themselves.
We were robbed of Kim and Cliff scene in the sequel timeline.
I think Cliff’s reaction of Kim revealing the truth would be more impactful than those of Cheryl because unlike Cheryl, Cliff has a deeper relationship with Kim. He had so much faith in Kim that he set a lunch meeting for her and it’s must be shocking for him to know that Kim was the one who ruined Howard’s life and Howard was correct the whole time (because in case of Jimmy, Cliff would be like “Yep, Howard might sound crazy at that time but looking back at it, scamming people is Jimmy’s thing as of course he’s done that to Howard” but in case of Kim, it’s world-shattering because like everyone else, especially the audience in real life, Cliff saw Kim as a morally pure hero).
Cliff might not be alive at that point in the story cause he’s already pretty old and could either be dead or not have the best recollection of events (dementia)
@danthehippo4275 it would've just been 6 years.. So not that old..
@@RedNinja0070 I watched my great aunt go from normal functioning human to completely unable to function and incapable of memory over the course of 4 years. It happens. Not saying that is 100% what happened but if you want your own head canon to why we didn’t get a Cliff reaction that’s a possibility.
@danthehippo4275 or its just a show so enough overthinking my dude
Regardless of our opinion on this show, I cant help but extend my sympathies to you and your family over this tragedy. It's something horrible and I would never wish that on anyone (Certainly never you my dude). I know that feeling of not being remembered by a loved one.. It sucks horribly and if that person is suffering from dementia... I can never ... So yes I can obviously see your point regarding Cliff ( from your perspective). I hope you're all doing well Dan.
They couldn’t get a hold of Kim so perhaps she just didn’t care about Albuquerque anymore, they only got her to come back because Saul lied about involving her in the statement.
Ed was such a good choice for Cliff. Dude has had one crazy career, and I’m glad the show paid respects to him.
I squirm watching this clip now, knowing that Kim threw away a huge opportunity so she and Jimmy could get back at Howard.
This is THE moment for her. The point of no return. She could’ve had the law career that truly helped people that she always wanted and she threw it away for the pettiest revenge plot imaginable. We all love Kim Wexler, but she deserved to be in prison right next to Jimmy.
@@811chelseafc And it’s a shame that only Jimmy went to jail.
The heads of the law firms in BCS come across as such professional, courteous, and forthright characters. Cliff Main, Rick Schweikart, Howard Hamlin. They're genuinely supportive of both Kim and Jimmy, and always get burned for it. Cliff even asks how Jimmy's doing when he sees Kim, in one scee, after his last interaction with him was over the younger McGill brother's over-the-top antics at Davis & Main. It's refreshing, really. Everybody loves the caricature of the sleazeball lawyer, often because we've had a run-in with one or two. And we got that with Saul in BB and in his more colorful moments in BCS. But the show goes out of its way to demonstrate that there's another path Jimmy and Kim could have, should have followed.
I know a number of attorneys, some are close friends. All are partners at their firms. And they're all very normal, decent, funny people. They're also smart, motivated, hard-working people. But none of them are sleazeballs or ambulance chasers or whatever.
Even Cliff can't see through Kim's facade.
Unlike Jimmy, she has a facade of respectability and professionalism.
Kim was a great attorney. Cliff saw that and wanted to support the work she was doing.
Cliff didn't see through Kim, he didn't see through Jimmy, and it's implied that his own son has ripped him off a thousand times. Cliff always gave me the impression of someone who is too good to be in the position he's in, someone who always sees the best in people and somehow still manages to remain in a position of authority and respect despite taking hit after hit as consequences of his optimism.
@@spyrath1935 When they fooled him to believe that Howard was a coke addict and regular customer of prostitutes, I felt worse for Cliff than for Howard himself, because he's really such a kind person and they just use him and destroy his friendship with Howard as well. And when Jimmy played bagpipes, I also could barely watch :D
@@L0REN0R2Z0RR0 What is that??
If he was still around he problably would've regretted and be shocked about everything Howard said on what Jimmy and Kim did was true.
what do you mean? Did semthigtn happen to him?
I miss the anticipation of a new season or episode, i couldn’t wait for it to drop on Netflix. One of the best shows ever
Better Rim Cliff
Ayo
😂😂😂
Huh??
"You've got your nose so far up his @ss..."
Better rim kim
Cliff really was a nice guy and a great boss. Too bad Jimmy couldn't have made it work.
I keep seeing him as Dr. Linkletter
wow what a Cliff hanger of a clip
That ponytail got curlier & tighter in Season 6. Until it collapsed in 609.
This is the moment when Kim Wexler talked to Cliff and switched to Slippin' Kimmy
oh look its henry starling from 1996 los angeles star trek voyager lol
I luv Kim
She's worser than Skylar
I wonder why Cliff said she was more or less making minimum wage. If she made 700 dollars for 50 hours that would be 14 dollars an hour, way about New Mexico's $5.25 2004 minimum wage
And now we get to theorize wether that was a writer's mistake or done on purpose to show how detached these elite lawyers are from regular Joes. My money's on mistake, because minimum wage is defined by law.
he also just didnt actually pause to do the math, it was an off the cuff comment that demonstrated he knew the value she was bringing to the table compared to what she was being paid
@@MohnJcIntyreYeah. He’s hyperbolizing. He’s pointing out to Kim she could be making a lot more for the effort she puts into her cases.
You can see in Kims face after he says it they both know its not ACTUALLY minimum wage but for the work shes putting in and the money she could easily be making it might aswell be.
Well, they're not attorney wages anyhow.
It's my all-time favorite TV series ❤
The spin-off is better than the original
@@dirtyhours Ehh
I don't know if it's better, I can give you 10 arguments why BB is better than BCS and then, another 10 why BCS is better, and then other 10 arguments, and again, and again, and again, forever.
But I prefer to think that both are masterpieces and with that, I am happy.
if only kim didn’t throw her life away with jimmy
Ah yes, so Kim takes no responsibility for her own actions then. Always blaming Jimmy.
@@nont18411 I just said “if only *kim didn’t throw her life away*”. meaning she threw it away herself. learn to read
@@DeanCalhoun I think your phrasing throws off your meaning. You make it sound like Kim and Jimmy threw her life away or that by getting involved with Jimmy, Kim threw her life away when I think what you mean is that Kim and Jimmy threw their lives away.
@@henrypeters5291 I appreciate your input, but have to disagree. “Throwing her life away *with* Jimmy” pretty clearly implies that it is something that they both did together
@@DeanCalhounI agree with you. I don't know what's so complicated to understand about what you said.
Howard was so right about her and Jimmy.
Wow I just realized they made a Daunte Wright reference here with the air freshener….damn
This was her chance to do what she wanted and fight for the little guy. And she blew it to play stupid games.
Better Retain Main
who's ajay chem
Kim was a great and good lawyer, it’s really sad how Jimmy dragged her down.
You missed the point
he's from young sheldon? i recognized him
Yes Ed Begley Jr. also famous for the 80's series St. Elsewhere.
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1:38 That's the POV shot of Jimmy Defecating Through A Sunroof Lol
But in all seriousness, I always loved this shot. In the same episode in the beginning we see Howard brewing his wife an exquisite cup of coffee, made with love.
Only for her dumping it carelessly into her thermos can & leaving, while Howard & his wife being emotionally distant throughout.
While in this scene, the coffee is probably sub par in quality & also gets dumped in carelessly by the vending machine, but we see Kim & Cliff having a very close & connected conversation.
Which goes to show that no matter how much money you have, the true wealth comes from having deep & meaningful relationships with people.
Many financially poor people are often the kindest & have family meals together, & would share & laugh together & don't even have time to argue about trivial things in the first place.
While the rich elite couple has dinner in utter silence & makes awkward small talk about the stock market.
This show has countless of these parallel shots which is why BCS is a utter cinematographic masterpiece.
The comment vs the tag
I think this comment belongs on another video
@@denisesudell2538 ?
i felt so sorry for Howard when his wife didnt even notice the work of art he did for her. and how anxious he was looking at her as she was pouring that coffe into her thermo, hoping to get a response from her.
that man really wanted to change, and he didnt deserve what happened to him
@@karadanianoI He was a pushover though. Trying to save the firm by bankrupting himself was a very noble decision, too bad his wife couldn't see that. Maybe he should've confronted her about that. I don't even blame her, it takes two to tango and being very wealthy is like a drug with no negative side-effects. At first it feels amazing and blissfull, but over time you get used to it. And when the day comes that you lose your wealth you'll find yourself unable to adjust to a life without it. You will feel depressed and worthless for living a life that millions of others already learned to enjoy and to be content with. Hardship is what unites people and makes them grow (or break), that's why poor people are emotionally richer than wealthy people. Being very wealthy makes you an outsider, because you don't understand how it feels to be a regular Joe. Being able to buy everything you want doesn't make you happy. I'm not poor and I'm certainly not wealthy, so I own a lot of power tools and hand tools and do it myself. After finishing a repair I don't feel ashamed because I couldn't afford a handyman, instead I'm content and feel good about myself because I have skill and don't have to rely on others. And when you're wealthy, you always have that nagging feeling that maybe people are only faking affection because they want something out of you. That's why I would never get married. It can only ruin a relationship, but never make it grow.