I have owned several Toyota hybrids for the last ten years. The electric motor helps with load on acceleration, so the ICE motors tend to last a few hundred thousand miles. The electric regen is engaged till 7mph, so brakes last about 150,000. I am generally able to pay for the extra cost in about 18 months of ownership. I am keeping demand for fuel down. Polluting less than everyone who is driving minivans these days (SUVs, same thing as a minivan.) So, many wins for everyone. They are also quiet and impressive for my passengers. The rear leg room in my Avalon hybrid limited is better than a LS 460.
2018 Camry LE hybrid has seat heater, dual zone climate control, smart entry, electric parking breaking, and full speed range dynamic radar cruise control. Non-Hybrid LE doesn’t have these.
i want the hybrid version just because it's a fancy tech and because if i'm not shifting gears manually then i would rather have no gears at all - i hate it when i'm merging or passing and the automatic shifts at a time other than when i expect it to - i would rather it not shift at all. i also like the idea of running electric Air Conditioning compressor with the engine off as well as not having constant gear shifting while stuck in NYC traffic, which is all the time for me. i like being able to use the HOV lane because it is a clean pass vehicle. i like having the "hybrid" badge making other drivers wonder if they're missing out :)
I drive a 2006 Highlander Hybrid, it has more torque - lets say- more than the gas model. when I pass slow drivers the electric motor gives the vehicle more power added to the 3.3 v6 engine. It feels like you have a turbo under the hood. By the way its 11 years now with 130k miles still run like a charm.
I own the cheaper version of this hybrid. I'm very happy with my purchase. I drive about 60 miles a day. On an extremely flat road I've gotten 58 mpg. Normal driving I'm around 53 mpg. The amount of money that I was paying for gas with my truck is a car payment.
Awesome video, and very highly informative! I was considering a new Prius but I think I might go for one of these. I find Toyota's choice of using the newer Lithium-Ion battery only in the LE trim a little questionable, but it is what it is. It's too bad the one driven here wasn't the SE trim, I would have loved to see the use of the paddle shifters!
If gas prices go up, the gas savings on the hybrid would pay for the difference in price. But a few reasons I love the hybrid--first of all, it's a lot of fun to play with things and see how much I can eek out of the car. Mine is rated at 40mpg combined but I'm averaging over 44 mpg and have a high of 60.1 on a 163 mile trip. It's smoother--it's quicker. I appreciate the technology and I play with things sometimes.
The new Camry hybrid has the same 74 MPH electric-only with engine at zero RPM as the Gen.IV Prius I own. The "EV MODE" button is only for avid hypermilers that want to keep the engine off for low speed maneuvering after starting the car to keep the engine from burning gas. It's a matter of knowing when to use it. When you're pulling the car out of the garage... waiting in line at the drive-thru... crawling along in really heavy traffic. In other cases, don't bother. Stealth is what you can achieve by maintaining engine-off operation through light gas-pedal operation all the way up to 74mph. When viewing the Hybrid System Indicator, not letting the "power" bar cross the small line in the middle of the graph will almost certainly allow you to remain in electric-only mode provided other conditions allow (battery charge, engine warm-up, etc.). That's what STEALTH is for. That mode is automatic and has a maximum electric-only speed of 74 MPH in the latest generation HSD system, with 46 mph being the top stealth threshold for the previous models.
I’d use the EV mode for things like sitting in traffic, the drive-thru, and getting the mail. (I have a long driveway.) I hear that the air conditioning is electric and can cool the car from an app without turning on the gas engine. The V6 would have me feeling guilty in these situations. A plug-in only makes sense if the electric motor is beefy enough. I am disappointed that the electric motor was downgraded from last year. Coming from a 16 year old Corolla, I was impressed with the instant pickup of last year’s Camry. It’s the torque at zero and the tech geekery more than savings in fuel that makes me consider the extra cost. Also didn’t Katsumata say the hybrid is best-driving because of the weight distribution? I really had my heart set on the panoramic roof though.
g1981c according to the manual it's just remote start with the current climate settings. But you can with the remote connect app check location and check/control windows, locks, and moonroof. It was in the Entune 3.0 PDF manual.
Would get hybrid due to. Parked A/_C and or heat without running engine= instant office and or camping hotel. As a bonus… the best mpg period! Added plus’s - it’s a Toyota and is designed to last 300-400 thousand miles without breakdown. Totally awesome!
had a 2012, 2014, and now a 2017 Camry hybrid XLE and love all of them. Why does he say he wants a shifting transmission? I hate the feeling of regular shifting trans that jerks you each time it shifts.
Why the hybrid? Simple, peace of mind. I love the feeling of driving something that good for the environment. Add to that the quiet interior and instant torque and the experience is very unique. But I really want a Plug-In Camry! And I'd be more than willing to pay about $4k to $5k more to get one. In other words, max $42,000 for a fully loaded Camry Plug-In.
The basic hybrid isn't a "with nothing in it" car--it's pretty loaded. It doesn't have alloy wheels but it has a heck of a lot more than the bare bones 4 cyclinder. It just doesn't have as much as the upper scale hybrids.
The economic justification for the Hybrid is a wash since most folks won't own the car long enough. However if you are one to by a car and drive it till its unreliable Toyota Hybrid is a good bet. You may never have to do a brake job, tranny work etc. There are other driving characteristics you may enjoy every day like sitting at stop lights in silence while the electric AC blows fully cold air. Creeping into your neighborhood and sliding into your garage in silence. Best new feature on this hybrid is the fact that it has a fully usable trunk. Yeah Toyota.
Pretty Simple. I;ve owned both. You get 8.1ltrs/100km in the non hybrid. 2.5lt camry And half that in the Hybrid. 4.4lrs mixture of long and short. make it a great hybrid power train. As low as 4.2ltr long distance. Very happy with the 2018 camry hybrid.
I just took a job that is 40 miles away. This car allows me to drive over 500 miles and fill up the 13 gal tank less than once a week. I wish it was a plug in so that I could make the drive on battery, charge at work and drive back on battery. I'd pay an extra $5k if I could plug it in and drive EV mode for 40 miles. I seriously considered the Volt, and Prius Prime plug-in models, but neither had the upscale trim or colors that I wanted and the Camry was $10 less than both of them. I'll probably switch to the Tesla model 3 when they can deliver one within 4 to 6 weeks.
I'm waiting for the new 2018 Honda Accord hybrid, which should be available in early 2018 and compare with the Camry hybrid before I make a choice. From everything I've read the new Accord hybrid will be a formidable competitor. The big question for me is whether it beats the Camry MPG rating with their all new 3rd generation electric drive system. It also has additional options available that the Camry doesn't have and includes standard safety options above and beyond Toyota's standard safety suite. Unless you're a die hard Toyota fan you may want to wait and see how the new Accord hybrid compares.
My honest suggestion just get the Camry hybrid if you're going for a hybrid model. I bought a 2017 CR-V AWD Touring just becasue of the redesign and upscale look and feel of it but after a year/17K miles of driving I really wish I had chosen the outdated 2017 RAV4 hybrid. Honda's MPG rating is way off for my 1.5T CR-V in city. I usually average around 20 and around 28 on the freeway driving 69-73 mph regardless if the ECO button is turned on or off mileage on this vehicle doesn't change. Meanwhile RAV4 hybrid owners are reporting an average of 37-40 MPG in city and low 30s on freeway. I have 80 mile work commute and around 320 miles since fill up I get the fuel warning so around 340 miles i have to refuel around 12 gallons. RAV4 hybrid owners constantly get over 420 in the same 12 gallons of fuel :-(
Be aware of honda.I have a 2014 civic ex (35k. mile) CPO car with 100k warranty...the car spent more time in the service than on the road... Honda is going down the hill big time... Check out (2016 17 Accord vibration, 2015 CRV shaking,vibration.....all of them have a lot of serious issue....) Classaction lawsuit.....and a lot more... RESEARCH RESEARCH .... :) Only Toyota... I can not wait to buy my first Toyota
Question 1-I am constantly in a traffic jam coming home from work. min 35 minutes. I need the EV mode so I don't waste gas. Question 2, I like the versatility that comes with the gas/electric. So as of right now no plug in for me.
I drove the hybrid rav4 a few weeks ago. The hybrid with the CVT, and gives off a sense of power that doesn't end. The CVT was loud, same 2.5 EV CVT setup. And my first ever CVT drive. I must say I didn't dislike it in the rav4. I may not like it as much in a car that I'd like some real gears in. Even if that just be a dual clutch set up.
the mpg difference between L vs other models is duo to wheels size and wider tires, not 100lb extra weight, 100 lb weight on highway has very little effect on mpg,
hybrid quieter when driving slow its not 100% depending on the engine no drive belts no traditional transmission with hydraulics its just a planetary gear set thing uses less gas quite a start up respond faster because of the help of the motor which is good a instant torque the instrument cluster is different and cool regenerative braking which take the load off the brake shoes don't think i would need a plug in hybrid in such a heavy car, plus plug in need more battery cell which required more space and a mean the mileage gain wouldn't be enough in real life
I don't know about the camry, but when i test drove the 2015 lexus rx350 along side the lexus rx450h, i found that the power delivery in the hybrid is much smoother and soothing (not sure how to explain this though...). the instant acceleration obviously the automatic transmission does a better job sending the power to the wheel compared to the CVT, but i just have a sort of attachment to the smooth and ease of acceleration from the hybrid system. And it was also much more quiet compared to the rx350. So if i had to chose, i would pay the little extra for the hybrid purely because the RX are supposed to be a luxury family SUV which should be quiet and smooth. The automatic has a hard time picking gears at times which causes the car to jerk a bit. In this case though, im not too sure since the transmission and powerplant are different.
Doing the math.... if gas is $2.75 per gallon and you drive 15,000 miles per year then you need to own the Hybrid version for about 9 years to break even over owning the LE non-hybrid version. This is a close call.
Why would you buy the hybrid over the regular 4 cyl Toyota? If you want efficiency, you would buy the hybrid because the mpg on the regular 4 cyl is a pure fantasy. My current 4 cyl Camry is supposed to get 31 mpg average, I never get more than 26. In fact, on a long vacation trip with about 95% freeways I got 32. The official numbers are pure fiction, tested in vacuum, downhill. I talked to several people, and they all laugh when talking about official mpg. Also, just from driving someone else's hybrid, I got an impression it accelerates better from the standstill than the regular 4 cyl. However, I still want to see well tested numbers for the new Camry before I decide on hybrid vs. V6. Oh, and I want to see the new Avalon hybrid vs. V6. If Toyota makes as much progress with the Avalon as they made with the Camry, it might be hard to resist.
I wish I could have the inside of the Avalon with the cognac interior and the outside of the Camry hybrid with a plug and 50 miles of battery range. And maybe some extra suspension tweaks. It would be the best transportation device on the planet
I chose the 2019 Camry SE with 2.5L 4. Not hybrid. The base SE offers great gas mileage and it would take at least 10 years to recover the extra cost of the V6 hybrid SE even if the extra complexity proved reliable over 10 years which I suspect is a reach. Also that giant catfish XLE front grille is a bit much to take compared to the XSE's grille. Alas for those who want a "sporty hybrid", the XSE doesn't offer the hybrid option for some reason.
I don't think the smaller sunroof is there to save weight. The Toyota Hybrids use a compressor driven by an electric motor. This means that when the car stops in traffic and the ICE shuts down, the AC compressor still turns. Since it is running off of the battery though, this means that if you are stop and go, the battery will soon run down and now the ICE has to turn on to both move the car and replenish the battery. When this happens, fuel economy plummets. Now Toyota did no tell me this, but logic simply suggests that they decided to keep the thermal load down by only putting a small sunroof on the car. Remember this too... The Camry and Prius help raise the corporate fuel economy so every MPG they can squeeze of of these lets them sell more gas guzzling SUVs, which are no doubt much more profitable. In many ways, Toyota builds these cars not for the green nature of them (SUVs are much more profitable after all) but to help boost the CAFE. number. And as someone else mentioned, Toyota hybrid tech pays for itself in other ways.. Brakes last several times longer than with conventional cars (if you drive it correctly) and transmission failure is almost unheard of. Does it make sense to pay more for a Hybrid? People with long commutes will get the payback much sooner than those that drive rarely, but resale on low mileage hybrids is often better than similar non-hybrids. Probably a wash.
Very interesting review. I get the idea of the hybrid versus the regular 4 banger. I still think, at this point of hybrid technology, a hybrid is an emotional buy rather than an economic one. The upfront price differential is too much for me, I drive about 12K per year on average, so would not recover the cost differential. I tested the 2016bRAV 4 hybrid and was not impressed with the whining noise at stop and go situations, reminded me too much of my Nissan Altima hybrid, the CVT regen noise drove me nuts. I hope Toyota got rid of the regen noises and whinings, until then I am never looking at another Toyota CVT. I applaud Toyota for making a bold step in terms of ergonomics and interior design. I do think not including memory settings in the external mirrors, steering wheel and front driver seats is a missed opportunity, practically all the competition is offering this. I hope they made the steering wheel heated especially in Canada as this is now common place.
I am Planing to replace my very old 2001 Corolla for a Camry Hybrid. I was planing on the 2017 Camry Hybrid, but after seeing the teaser of the 2018 I decided to wait. @ MotoManTV, Can you do a test drive and review of the 2018 Camry Hybrid SE? that so fore I my pick
I like hybrids but just do the math. Maintenance is less, but Insurance costs more and it takes a while to make your money back compared to the gas versions. The gas model gets really good mileage already 30 mpg
Seems like nearly half of the gap initially covered by the rear seats remains blocked by the seats when they are folded. That's not much better than a ski hatch, in fact I might prefer a ski hatch because its use still leaves the two side seats.
Hybrid cars feel different. When you start to takeoff from a stop they are simply more satisfying to drive. Everybody knows about turbo lag compared to non-turbo cars. The same thing is true with Hybrids. ICE cars feel like they have lag compared to a hybrid when you put your foot on the gas pedal. I would be happy to pay a few thousand dollars to have the car be a plug-in hybrid. I think the Camry would be the best car In the world is a plug-in hybrid with 50 miles of range
Please relay to Toyota that they need to acknowledge that our phones are part of us, so dismissing Android auto or apple carplay in their car is like repelling potential customers from their products. Google knows every bit of my life, so I wouldn't mind having it on my car dashboard because of convenience to navigate, take and Make calls, send messages, listening to audiobook, music, avoid traffic jams, police speed trap with Waze, get calendar reminders, and notifications....all of this with two words : ok Google.
We don't feature Honda and Acura on the show. That said, have driven an Accord Hybrid. Surprisingly good but neither it or the Camry are as pretty as the Sonata and upcoming Kia K5. You'll be seeing the Sonata Hybrid episode shortly.
my 2018 Camry hybrid xle a little over 58 mpg...and if i am cruising the gas motor will cut off even at 75 mph and i will be on battery ...on some occasions gas mileage will be more or less!
He loves talking to Harvey the Rabbit in the passenger seat. However, all that body English while driving probably could result in he and Harvey flying forward at a sudden stop...
Why could they not put this same engine in the new ct200h and continue to sell it over here in the USA that was a great looking car but people just didn’t flock to it because it lacked power if Toyota would have put this engine in it or something similar to it the car would have sold a great deal more... and the new version looks awesome it’s a shame! Motorman do something!!!!!!!!!!
I would rather buy the gasoline engine simply because the base Camry is already so efficient that the money would save on gas with a hybrid you'll end up paying in monthly payments for the additional $4k+
I disagree with your $4500 Price difference between the base Camry and the base Hybrid, I may be wrong, but I doubt it, I believe the Hybrid comes with more standard equipment than the base gas Camry. In 2013, when I bought my Avalon Touring Hybrid, the Hybrid premium over the gas Avalon Touring was $1500. I saved that in gas a long time ago.
Great video, I really enjoyed your style of delivery. I'm currently looking for a car to use for commuting 200 miles each way, preferably one that gets incredible gas mileage and can easily be upgraded with Open Pilot from Comma.ai. Open Pilot supplements modern safety features to provide level 2 autonomous driving (similar to Tesla's) so the more driver-assist features a car has, the better Open Pilot can be when driving autonomously. What sets the Camry Hybrid line-up apart is that every car features Full-Speed Range Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (DRCC) which allows the built-in radar to bring the car to a complete stop. That feature is optional in gas-only Camrys. Another interesting thing about the 2018 Camry Hybrids is that the base model LE is the only model that features next-generation Lithium-Ion EV battery and also provides the best MPG performance of all. So at the end of the day, the cheapest trim level offers the best gas mileage, the newest battery technology, and yet still has the best of Toyota's safety features that are optional on gas-only models. Add Open Pilot and a long commute, and I'll get a great all-around car that will get me to work with much less stress and a much smaller hit to my wallet. This is a rare case where the cheapest car gives you some of the best capabilities without relinquishing too much comfort. Thanks again for your fun review. I really enjoyed it.
I don't know why ou'd get a geared trans in a hyrbid. it's just be slower more abrupt more liability of things breaking. it's a 1 speed transmition anyways and it doesn't feel like it's slipping because of electric torque. And it never breaks. It's smoother, like hills don't have to downshift and jump to 3500 rpm can just up the rpm a tad..
So you say that because the fancy hybrid weighs 100lbs more than the cheapo hybrid that it looses 7MPG,my god,does that mean if you go to the golf course with 4 ,175lb people in the car that your going to loose so much gas mileage that you may as well get the v6 or maybe a v8 suburban.Sounds like a lot to loose just for 100 extra pounds
LE gets better MPG due to Lithium Battery... SE and XLE use the older technology nickel-metal-hydride battery. I know, its seems backwards. It would seem that the newer technology, better mpg, battery pack would be in the SE and XLE.
I just had the basic 4 cylinder as a rental car. Mileage was over 40 mpg. But Toyota gets there by programming the transmission such that it almost refuses to downshift. I was in a situation where I quickly needed to pass a vehicle. I pushed the gas pedal down and... nothing happened. I had to totally floor (!) the pedal at which point the tranny shifted down not one but two gears, the engine screamed at 5,000 rpm and everyone in the car suffered whiplash. RIDICULOUS! If this is Toyota's idea of fuel economy, I don't want any part of it. It's actually dangerous. I wonder how this hybrid performs in the same situation.
The new Lexus old man car (lc 500) has a geared hybrid transmission. And I assume the Supra hybrid will have the geared hybrid transmission. Am I wrong or is someone bullshitting.
I'm buying the hybrid instead of the gas because i REFUSE to buy a panoramic moon roof !!!!!! I want the small roof - let me repeat i want the small roof they are not forcing me to buy a panoramic roof. i am vehemently opposed to the pano roof. don't know anything about plug ins !!!!
The back seats went down in the 2012-2017 models too. I guess this guy didn't do his research. The Camry hybrids are pretty quick cars. Mine is quicker than my old Accord V6 easily. And he's wrong again--it's not "down on power" on the regular gasoline models--it will blow away a standard 4 cylinder Camry. It has more horsepower than the standard 4, a lot more useful torque, and a more efficient and responsive transmission.
It's not a more uptown battery. Only the LE gets the uptown lithium battery. Nickel batteries are old school. Figures the expensive car gets the cheap battery, and the cheap car gets the expensive battery. I'm going to look at one, but given the lack of Android Auto I'm going to wait on the Accord Hybrid. Toyota needs to quit listening to their managers and start listening to their customers.
Samurai Shampoo It's not a CVT. Strange question: "Why they don't switch to a transmission with changeable gears?", because they use it for 22 years, so why they would change it? And the engine can be off until 70km/h, if you drive downhill or very smoothly on flat road. Regenerative braking works fully only when it is smoothly used, but not when you just brake.
Steve 30x yeah I'm not a fan of the grill that's on the bottom of the fro bumper. The XSE is the sexist Camry of the bunch. It's funny how the same Camry look so different in different trims
I have owned several Toyota hybrids for the last ten years. The electric motor helps with load on acceleration, so the ICE motors tend to last a few hundred thousand miles. The electric regen is engaged till 7mph, so brakes last about 150,000. I am generally able to pay for the extra cost in about 18 months of ownership. I am keeping demand for fuel down. Polluting less than everyone who is driving minivans these days (SUVs, same thing as a minivan.) So, many wins for everyone. They are also quiet and impressive for my passengers. The rear leg room in my Avalon hybrid limited is better than a LS 460.
Larry Smith we each have our part to play. Thanks for doing yours. Merica!
mgmcd1 how about warranty coverage where it's free?
2018 Camry LE hybrid has seat heater, dual zone climate control, smart entry, electric parking breaking, and full speed range dynamic radar cruise control. Non-Hybrid LE doesn’t have these.
i want the hybrid version just because it's a fancy tech and because if i'm not shifting gears manually then i would rather have no gears at all - i hate it when i'm merging or passing and the automatic shifts at a time other than when i expect it to - i would rather it not shift at all. i also like the idea of running electric Air Conditioning compressor with the engine off as well as not having constant gear shifting while stuck in NYC traffic, which is all the time for me. i like being able to use the HOV lane because it is a clean pass vehicle. i like having the "hybrid" badge making other drivers wonder if they're missing out :)
g1981c my car does well in city driving 51 mpg.
I love CVT. I don't care if I can't burn off at the lights, it's so smooth and quiet.
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I drive a 2006 Highlander Hybrid, it has more torque - lets say- more than the gas model. when I pass slow drivers the electric motor gives the vehicle more power added to the 3.3 v6 engine. It feels like you have a turbo under the hood. By the way its 11 years now with 130k miles still run like a charm.
I own the cheaper version of this hybrid. I'm very happy with my purchase. I drive about 60 miles a day. On an extremely flat road I've gotten 58 mpg. Normal driving I'm around 53 mpg. The amount of money that I was paying for gas with my truck is a car payment.
Awesome video, and very highly informative! I was considering a new Prius but I think I might go for one of these. I find Toyota's choice of using the newer Lithium-Ion battery only in the LE trim a little questionable, but it is what it is. It's too bad the one driven here wasn't the SE trim, I would have loved to see the use of the paddle shifters!
They are so can make pretend gear changes. Like a kid does.
l like the 50:50 perfect weight of hybrid, also the reaction is quicker then gasoline engine.
very nice review of the hybrid camry. I love the looks and will be looking forward to see it in the show room.
If gas prices go up, the gas savings on the hybrid would pay for the difference in price. But a few reasons I love the hybrid--first of all, it's a lot of fun to play with things and see how much I can eek out of the car. Mine is rated at 40mpg combined but I'm averaging over 44 mpg and have a high of 60.1 on a 163 mile trip. It's smoother--it's quicker. I appreciate the technology and I play with things sometimes.
The new Camry hybrid has the same 74 MPH electric-only with engine at zero RPM as the Gen.IV Prius I own. The "EV MODE" button is only for avid hypermilers that want to keep the engine off for low speed maneuvering after starting the car to keep the engine from burning gas.
It's a matter of knowing when to use it.
When you're pulling the car out of the garage... waiting in line at the drive-thru... crawling along in really heavy traffic.
In other cases, don't bother. Stealth is what you can achieve by maintaining engine-off operation through light gas-pedal operation all the way up to 74mph. When viewing the Hybrid System Indicator, not letting the "power" bar cross the small line in the middle of the graph will almost certainly allow you to remain in electric-only mode provided other conditions allow (battery charge, engine warm-up, etc.). That's what STEALTH is for. That mode is automatic and has a maximum electric-only speed of 74 MPH in the latest generation HSD system, with 46 mph being the top stealth threshold for the previous models.
I’d use the EV mode for things like sitting in traffic, the drive-thru, and getting the mail. (I have a long driveway.) I hear that the air conditioning is electric and can cool the car from an app without turning on the gas engine. The V6 would have me feeling guilty in these situations. A plug-in only makes sense if the electric motor is beefy enough. I am disappointed that the electric motor was downgraded from last year. Coming from a 16 year old Corolla, I was impressed with the instant pickup of last year’s Camry. It’s the torque at zero and the tech geekery more than savings in fuel that makes me consider the extra cost. Also didn’t Katsumata say the hybrid is best-driving because of the weight distribution?
I really had my heart set on the panoramic roof though.
where can i read about that remote control for the air conditioning - sounds interesting !
g1981c according to the manual it's just remote start with the current climate settings. But you can with the remote connect app check location and check/control windows, locks, and moonroof. It was in the Entune 3.0 PDF manual.
thanks
Would get hybrid due to. Parked A/_C and or heat without running engine= instant office and or camping hotel. As a bonus… the best mpg period! Added plus’s - it’s a Toyota and is designed to last 300-400 thousand miles without breakdown. Totally awesome!
I would take the XSE 2.5 with all the optional equipment available. I don't need the 3.5 and the 4 cylinders have great fuel economy.
had a 2012, 2014, and now a 2017 Camry hybrid XLE and love all of them. Why does he say he wants a shifting transmission? I hate the feeling of regular shifting trans that jerks you each time it shifts.
I have an old Hyundai that doesn't shift like that into gear.
Why the hybrid? Simple, peace of mind. I love the feeling of driving something that good for the environment. Add to that the quiet interior and instant torque and the experience is very unique. But I really want a Plug-In Camry! And I'd be more than willing to pay about $4k to $5k more to get one. In other words, max $42,000 for a fully loaded Camry Plug-In.
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The basic hybrid isn't a "with nothing in it" car--it's pretty loaded. It doesn't have alloy wheels but it has a heck of a lot more than the bare bones 4 cyclinder. It just doesn't have as much as the upper scale hybrids.
A few years go I drove a 2012 Camry Hybrid through the back roads of Vermont, up and down the hills and the journey estimate was 4.5l/100km.
The economic justification for the Hybrid is a wash since most folks won't own the car long enough. However if you are one to by a car and drive it till its unreliable Toyota Hybrid is a good bet. You may never have to do a brake job, tranny work etc.
There are other driving characteristics you may enjoy every day like sitting at stop lights in silence while the electric AC blows fully cold air. Creeping into your neighborhood and sliding into your garage in silence. Best new feature on this hybrid is the fact that it has a fully usable trunk. Yeah Toyota.
Pretty Simple. I;ve owned both. You get 8.1ltrs/100km in the non hybrid. 2.5lt camry And half that in the Hybrid. 4.4lrs mixture of long and short. make it a great hybrid power train. As low as 4.2ltr long distance. Very happy with the 2018 camry hybrid.
I just took a job that is 40 miles away. This car allows me to drive over 500 miles and fill up the 13 gal tank less than once a week. I wish it was a plug in so that I could make the drive on battery, charge at work and drive back on battery. I'd pay an extra $5k if I could plug it in and drive EV mode for 40 miles. I seriously considered the Volt, and Prius Prime plug-in models, but neither had the upscale trim or colors that I wanted and the Camry was $10 less than both of them. I'll probably switch to the Tesla model 3 when they can deliver one within 4 to 6 weeks.
I'm waiting for the new 2018 Honda Accord hybrid, which should be available in early 2018 and compare with the Camry hybrid before I make a choice. From everything I've read the new Accord hybrid will be a formidable competitor. The big question for me is whether it beats the Camry MPG rating with their all new 3rd generation electric drive system. It also has additional options available that the Camry doesn't have and includes standard safety options above and beyond Toyota's standard safety suite. Unless you're a die hard Toyota fan you may want to wait and see how the new Accord hybrid compares.
Michael Manjin I’m also waiting for the 2018 Honda Accord Hybrid to compare. Hopefully January...
My honest suggestion just get the Camry hybrid if you're going for a hybrid model. I bought a 2017 CR-V AWD Touring just becasue of the redesign and upscale look and feel of it but after a year/17K miles of driving I really wish I had chosen the outdated 2017 RAV4 hybrid. Honda's MPG rating is way off for my 1.5T CR-V in city. I usually average around 20 and around 28 on the freeway driving 69-73 mph regardless if the ECO button is turned on or off mileage on this vehicle doesn't change. Meanwhile RAV4 hybrid owners are reporting an average of 37-40 MPG in city and low 30s on freeway. I have 80 mile work commute and around 320 miles since fill up I get the fuel warning so around 340 miles i have to refuel around 12 gallons. RAV4 hybrid owners constantly get over 420 in the same 12 gallons of fuel :-(
Be aware of honda.I have a 2014 civic ex (35k. mile) CPO car with 100k warranty...the car spent more time in the service than on the road... Honda is going down the hill big time...
Check out (2016 17 Accord vibration, 2015 CRV shaking,vibration.....all of them have a lot of serious issue....) Classaction lawsuit.....and a lot more... RESEARCH RESEARCH .... :)
Only Toyota...
I can not wait to buy my first Toyota
Question 1-I am constantly in a traffic jam coming home from work. min 35 minutes. I need the EV mode so I don't waste gas. Question 2, I like the versatility that comes with the gas/electric. So as of right now no plug in for me.
Haha...channeling your Christopher Walken describing the omelette cheese situation.
Ignoring practicality (suv wins over sedan). Which feels more comfortable/premium, this or a CX-5?
I drove the hybrid rav4 a few weeks ago. The hybrid with the CVT, and gives off a sense of power that doesn't end.
The CVT was loud, same 2.5 EV CVT setup. And my first ever CVT drive. I must say I didn't dislike it in the rav4. I may not like it as much in a car that I'd like some real gears in. Even if that just be a dual clutch set up.
Airplane engines dont convert their power through gearboxes either
Jesus you have the best reviews.
Great review keep it comin!!
the mpg difference between L vs other models is duo to wheels size and wider tires, not 100lb extra weight, 100 lb weight on highway has very little effect on mpg,
W Wsn and lithium ion battery vs. Nickel metal
hybrid quieter when driving slow
its not 100% depending on the engine
no drive belts
no traditional transmission with hydraulics its just a planetary gear set thing
uses less gas
quite a start up
respond faster because of the help of the motor which is good a instant torque
the instrument cluster is different and cool
regenerative braking which take the load off the brake shoes
don't think i would need a plug in hybrid in such a heavy car, plus plug in need more battery cell which required more space and a mean the mileage gain wouldn't be enough in real life
I don't know about the camry, but when i test drove the 2015 lexus rx350 along side the lexus rx450h, i found that the power delivery in the hybrid is much smoother and soothing (not sure how to explain this though...). the instant acceleration obviously the automatic transmission does a better job sending the power to the wheel compared to the CVT, but i just have a sort of attachment to the smooth and ease of acceleration from the hybrid system. And it was also much more quiet compared to the rx350. So if i had to chose, i would pay the little extra for the hybrid purely because the RX are supposed to be a luxury family SUV which should be quiet and smooth. The automatic has a hard time picking gears at times which causes the car to jerk a bit. In this case though, im not too sure since the transmission and powerplant are different.
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Thanks for the feedback . . . Great to know!
Is it possible to get leather seats,17 inch alloy wheels,XLE LED tail lights,heads up display and sunroof with the LE hybrud trim?
Thank you!
Doing the math.... if gas is $2.75 per gallon and you drive 15,000 miles per year then you need to own the Hybrid version for about 9 years to break even over owning the LE non-hybrid version. This is a close call.
Why would you buy the hybrid over the regular 4 cyl Toyota? If you want efficiency, you would buy the hybrid because the mpg on the regular 4 cyl is a pure fantasy. My current 4 cyl Camry is supposed to get 31 mpg average, I never get more than 26. In fact, on a long vacation trip with about 95% freeways I got 32. The official numbers are pure fiction, tested in vacuum, downhill. I talked to several people, and they all laugh when talking about official mpg. Also, just from driving someone else's hybrid, I got an impression it accelerates better from the standstill than the regular 4 cyl. However, I still want to see well tested numbers for the new Camry before I decide on hybrid vs. V6. Oh, and I want to see the new Avalon hybrid vs. V6. If Toyota makes as much progress with the Avalon as they made with the Camry, it might be hard to resist.
mountainhobo The first time I fueled up in my car, I had traveled 630 miles I put 11 gals.
I wish I could have the inside of the Avalon with the cognac interior and the outside of the Camry hybrid with a plug and 50 miles of battery range. And maybe some extra suspension tweaks. It would be the best transportation device on the planet
I chose the 2019 Camry SE with 2.5L 4. Not hybrid. The base SE offers great gas mileage and it would take at least 10 years to recover the extra cost of the V6 hybrid SE even if the extra complexity proved reliable over 10 years which I suspect is a reach. Also that giant catfish XLE front grille is a bit much to take compared to the XSE's grille. Alas for those who want a "sporty hybrid", the XSE doesn't offer the hybrid option for some reason.
My WRX avg 19 mpg. Recently Ordered a Panamera Hybrid. I may also get this hybrid
I don't think the smaller sunroof is there to save weight. The Toyota Hybrids use a compressor driven by an electric motor. This means that when the car stops in traffic and the ICE shuts down, the AC compressor still turns. Since it is running off of the battery though, this means that if you are stop and go, the battery will soon run down and now the ICE has to turn on to both move the car and replenish the battery. When this happens, fuel economy plummets.
Now Toyota did no tell me this, but logic simply suggests that they decided to keep the thermal load down by only putting a small sunroof on the car.
Remember this too... The Camry and Prius help raise the corporate fuel economy so every MPG they can squeeze of of these lets them sell more gas guzzling SUVs, which are no doubt much more profitable. In many ways, Toyota builds these cars not for the green nature of them (SUVs are much more profitable after all) but to help boost the CAFE. number.
And as someone else mentioned, Toyota hybrid tech pays for itself in other ways.. Brakes last several times longer than with conventional cars (if you drive it correctly) and transmission failure is almost unheard of.
Does it make sense to pay more for a Hybrid? People with long commutes will get the payback much sooner than those that drive rarely, but resale on low mileage hybrids is often better than similar non-hybrids. Probably a wash.
Very interesting review. I get the idea of the hybrid versus the regular 4 banger. I still think, at this point of hybrid technology, a hybrid is an emotional buy rather than an economic one. The upfront price differential is too much for me, I drive about 12K per year on average, so would not recover the cost differential. I tested the 2016bRAV 4 hybrid and was not impressed with the whining noise at stop and go situations, reminded me too much of my Nissan Altima hybrid, the CVT regen noise drove me nuts. I hope Toyota got rid of the regen noises and whinings, until then I am never looking at another Toyota CVT. I applaud Toyota for making a bold step in terms of ergonomics and interior design. I do think not including memory settings in the external mirrors, steering wheel and front driver seats is a missed opportunity, practically all the competition is offering this. I hope they made the steering wheel heated especially in Canada as this is now common place.
I am Planing to replace my very old 2001 Corolla for a Camry Hybrid. I was planing on the 2017 Camry Hybrid, but after seeing the teaser of the 2018 I decided to wait. @ MotoManTV, Can you do a test drive and review of the 2018 Camry Hybrid SE? that so fore I my pick
5:20 haha, it is because there are many Japanese folks who like to buy the LHD/American variant to drive around in just because it is cool.
You forget that the Altima, Passat and Legacy are still available with a 6 cylinder.
erlebo still though, the camry's new V6 surpasses those car's outputs by a lot. I'm impressed Toyota decided to put 300hp in their camry
I like hybrids but just do the math. Maintenance is less, but Insurance costs more and it takes a while to make your money back compared to the gas versions. The gas model gets really good mileage already 30 mpg
Seems like nearly half of the gap initially covered by the rear seats remains blocked by the seats when they are folded. That's not much better than a ski hatch, in fact I might prefer a ski hatch because its use still leaves the two side seats.
Thanks you The Best
Does hybrid LE come with full speed cruise control?
Yes. Hybrid Camrys are kind of special. All 3 hybrid versions have full speed cruise as well as brake hold
Hybrid cars feel different. When you start to takeoff from a stop they are simply more satisfying to drive. Everybody knows about turbo lag compared to non-turbo cars. The same thing is true with Hybrids. ICE cars feel like they have lag compared to a hybrid when you put your foot on the gas pedal. I would be happy to pay a few thousand dollars to have the car be a plug-in hybrid. I think the Camry would be the best car In the world is a plug-in hybrid with 50 miles of range
what segment is this car from again?
They all need to be plug-ins and reduce the damn price!
Kimi Jong Highball the sticker on my car was 29300. I purchased it for 24288.
Please relay to Toyota that they need to acknowledge that our phones are part of us, so dismissing Android auto or apple carplay in their car is like repelling potential customers from their products. Google knows every bit of my life, so I wouldn't mind having it on my car dashboard because of convenience to navigate, take and Make calls, send messages, listening to audiobook, music, avoid traffic jams, police speed trap with Waze, get calendar reminders, and notifications....all of this with two words : ok Google.
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Have you compared it to the Honda Accord Hybrid?
We don't feature Honda and Acura on the show. That said, have driven an Accord Hybrid. Surprisingly good but neither it or the Camry are as pretty as the Sonata and upcoming Kia K5. You'll be seeing the Sonata Hybrid episode shortly.
@@MotoManTV I’ve watched a few Honda Reviews You’ve done🤔
my 2018 Camry hybrid xle a little over 58 mpg...and if i am cruising the gas motor will cut off even at 75 mph and i will be on battery ...on some occasions gas mileage will be more or less!
Japan gets a panoramic sunroof with the hybrid
He loves talking to Harvey the Rabbit in the passenger seat. However, all that body English while driving probably could result in he and Harvey flying forward at a sudden stop...
bluesky ah, that’s a Puka, not a rabbit
Why could they not put this same engine in the new ct200h and continue to sell it over here in the USA that was a great looking car but people just didn’t flock to it because it lacked power if Toyota would have put this engine in it or something similar to it the car would have sold a great deal more... and the new version looks awesome it’s a shame! Motorman do something!!!!!!!!!!
I would rather buy the gasoline engine simply because the base Camry is already so efficient that the money would save on gas with a hybrid you'll end up paying in monthly payments for the additional $4k+
Be nice if the all electric mode can get up to 35 - 40 mph
they should make a show called car swap. give me a Toyota and you can keep my Mazda...lol.
King Camry
King of the Jungle
Honda reveals their new 2018 Accord next month. Tough act to follow......
I disagree with your $4500 Price difference between the base Camry and the base Hybrid, I may be wrong, but I doubt it, I believe the Hybrid comes with more standard equipment than the base gas Camry. In 2013, when I bought my Avalon Touring Hybrid, the Hybrid premium over the gas Avalon Touring was $1500. I saved that in gas a long time ago.
Great video, I really enjoyed your style of delivery.
I'm currently looking for a car to use for commuting 200 miles each way, preferably one that gets incredible gas mileage and can easily be upgraded with Open Pilot from Comma.ai. Open Pilot supplements modern safety features to provide level 2 autonomous driving (similar to Tesla's) so the more driver-assist features a car has, the better Open Pilot can be when driving autonomously. What sets the Camry Hybrid line-up apart is that every car features Full-Speed Range Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (DRCC) which allows the built-in radar to bring the car to a complete stop. That feature is optional in gas-only Camrys. Another interesting thing about the 2018 Camry Hybrids is that the base model LE is the only model that features next-generation Lithium-Ion EV battery and also provides the best MPG performance of all.
So at the end of the day, the cheapest trim level offers the best gas mileage, the newest battery technology, and yet still has the best of Toyota's safety features that are optional on gas-only models. Add Open Pilot and a long commute, and I'll get a great all-around car that will get me to work with much less stress and a much smaller hit to my wallet. This is a rare case where the cheapest car gives you some of the best capabilities without relinquishing too much comfort. Thanks again for your fun review. I really enjoyed it.
I don't know why ou'd get a geared trans in a hyrbid. it's just be slower more abrupt more liability of things breaking. it's a 1 speed transmition anyways and it doesn't feel like it's slipping because of electric torque. And it never breaks. It's smoother, like hills don't have to downshift and jump to 3500 rpm can just up the rpm a tad..
no worries here.
So you say that because the fancy hybrid weighs 100lbs more than the cheapo hybrid that it looses 7MPG,my god,does that mean if you go to the golf course with 4 ,175lb people in the car that your going to loose so much gas mileage that you may as well get the v6 or maybe a v8 suburban.Sounds like a lot to loose just for 100 extra pounds
Victor Milani larger tires and wheels, also nickel metal battery. LE uses lithium ion and 16” steel wheels.
I agree. That was unclear and misleading.
LE gets better MPG due to Lithium Battery... SE and XLE use the older technology nickel-metal-hydride battery. I know, its seems backwards. It would seem that the newer technology, better mpg, battery pack would be in the SE and XLE.
Yup. Your fat friends cost you money.
It is mainly the tires, so the rim size, that makes the difference.
I just had the basic 4 cylinder as a rental car. Mileage was over 40 mpg. But Toyota gets there by programming the transmission such that it almost refuses to downshift. I was in a situation where I quickly needed to pass a vehicle. I pushed the gas pedal down and... nothing happened. I had to totally floor (!) the pedal at which point the tranny shifted down not one but two gears, the engine screamed at 5,000 rpm and everyone in the car suffered whiplash. RIDICULOUS! If this is Toyota's idea of fuel economy, I don't want any part of it. It's actually dangerous. I wonder how this hybrid performs in the same situation.
The new Lexus old man car (lc 500) has a geared hybrid transmission. And I assume the Supra hybrid will have the geared hybrid transmission. Am I wrong or is someone bullshitting.
once again, they don't go far enough. it should have been mostly ev with small generator for extra range.
I'm buying the hybrid instead of the gas because i REFUSE to buy a panoramic moon roof !!!!!! I want the small roof - let me repeat i want the small roof they are not forcing me to buy a panoramic roof. i am vehemently opposed to the pano roof. don't know anything about plug ins !!!!
I'll go with the dct ioniq. Better ratings , more engaging , and hatchback, and best of best price.
You gave along review of a HYBRID VEHICLE. But NEVER gave a review of an HONEST MPG on normal driving. I don't care what the sticker CLAIMS.
Mannix C I drive 60 miles a day. I drove 630 miles and filled the tank with 11 gallons.
Economics 101
I love Oregon. Heidi
0-30? 0-60?
The back seats went down in the 2012-2017 models too. I guess this guy didn't do his research.
The Camry hybrids are pretty quick cars. Mine is quicker than my old Accord V6 easily.
And he's wrong again--it's not "down on power" on the regular gasoline models--it will blow away a standard 4 cylinder Camry. It has more horsepower than the standard 4, a lot more useful torque, and a more efficient and responsive transmission.
Center console is way too glossy.. Is also going to be a fingerprint magnet.
If THAT'S your biggest problem, Toyota crushed it.
lmao
You can't wipe off fingerprints? First world problems man. Just get a microfiber towel.
Please review the goat cheese.
do you have to add the SAN to the japanese name every time.... it's really unnecessary.
I saw this Car on the road today and I was like oh a shitty Toyota driving 15 miles an hour in a 40mph with no traffic
Yes no maybe. Those are my answers.
BMW=FIRES
I'd buy it to save gas lol
It's not a more uptown battery. Only the LE gets the uptown lithium battery. Nickel batteries are old school. Figures the expensive car gets the cheap battery, and the cheap car gets the expensive battery. I'm going to look at one, but given the lack of Android Auto I'm going to wait on the Accord Hybrid. Toyota needs to quit listening to their managers and start listening to their customers.
This car weighs 3500lbs? Damn, my e92 seems heavier all of a sudden....
25 miles per hour with ev? My wifes ioniq can go up to 75 miles per hour on just EV.
Ugly, just like most Japanese companies styling aside from Mazda and their Koda design.
A very ugly car from the front, wouldn't want one in my garage on that basis alone.New Lexus ? Ditto.
The front of the Camry is ugly. Had they done a better job, I would have bought it. I'm buying the Accord.
they have to export it to japan cuz they're cars sell so well trump gets mad
trade friction madness
very poor review, man has no idea how the hybrid power-train works...
Limitbreaker-You truly are an idiot.
Glen W. Ford fuck off moron
Samurai Shampoo It's not a CVT. Strange question: "Why they don't switch to a transmission with changeable gears?", because they use it for 22 years, so why they would change it? And the engine can be off until 70km/h, if you drive downhill or very smoothly on flat road. Regenerative braking works fully only when it is smoothly used, but not when you just brake.
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That front is so ugly... and the xse I like... so strange on the decision on this design.
This guy seems less than knowledgeable about modern hybrids.
That is one extremely ugly car from the front
Steve 30x I would way for the mid cycle redesign for improvements.
Steve 30x yeah I'm not a fan of the grill that's on the bottom of the fro bumper. The XSE is the sexist Camry of the bunch. It's funny how the same Camry look so different in different trims
This car might be good on saving money but I don't like the front bumper looks too bulky.
I don't care whether it's a hybrid, a V6 or a warp drive. The reality is, it's a butt ugly car.
I hate hybrids! I hate hybrids! I hate hybrids! I hate hybrids! I hate hybrids ! I HATE HYBRIDS !!!!!!!!! -------- Did I mention that I hate hybrids?