Rebuilding a DSM driveshaft in 2023?
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024
- GSX and Galant progress both in one video? Weird! But this covers both the 1g and 2g designs and their challenges. I tackle the complete job and share alternative methods and how to approach it with a limited and dwindling parts supply chain.
I don't think there's anything but part numbers that I can add that I didn't already share in the video. I talked enough in this video to save you the long description.
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OEM Prices and inventory from ExtremePSI in 2023.
3 MB154554 Spider Joint $126.63 $379.89
1 MB505119 Lobro Boot kit $109.93 $109.93
2 MB505495 1g Carrier Bearing $121.32 $242.64
4 MB288653 Carrier Bearing Nut $2.30 $9.20
2 MA143517 Driveshaft locknut $8.07 $16.14
2 MB241174 Carrier spacer set $11.27 $22.54
Total: $780.34 -1g complete rebuild/no yoke
If you have a 2g, this is all that differs. It's a little cheaper because one of the carrier bearings is cheaper, and you can't get the other one. But if you have to fix the front carrier, the aftermarket solutions are an additional expense. All other parts and quantities are the same as above...
1 MB837577 2g REAR Carrier Bearing $87.87
1 MIT-EVO-CBHK 2g carrier hardware kit $36.00
Now imagine how I did all of this X2 in one video plus the cost of the performance upgrades. Thank Patreon because they're the only reason these videos exist. Anyone outspending their ad revenue ratio 20:1 for a whole year plus paying shop rent would have been bankrupt 10 months ago. It's the worst business model you could ever have, so thank THOSE GUYS that these videos exist. All I do is have the patience to work a second full time job filming and editing what they bought. I share my experience assembling it. I'm clearly not doing any of this for personal wealth.
I was impressed by JXB's response time, competency, and customer service. These are the kinds of companies doing the hard work to help us improve and preserve our platform.
SINGLE 1g or 2g JXB Carrier Bearing with 1 bushing $280
1g or 2g JXB Carrier Bearing SET with 2 bushings $490
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Aluminum driveshaft ± $1000
Carbon Fiber driveshaft ± $1700
driveshaftshop...
The only pair of snap ring pliers I used:
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You can search for a bushing press kit, hydraulic press, or 2-jaw puller and find them within your budget anywhere. So here's my siphon-feed blowgun cleaner video instead:
• DIY Parts Washer
If you don't have an automotive-friendly powered coating service in your area, you can find Detective Coating on Facebook. He'll probably encourage you to find one in your area for the big jobs if you're not from Virginia because shipping can be weird, but if you're lucky enough to live close by, well then...
It's quite the achievement to say you have 150,000 people who gladly watch an hour long driveshaft rebuild video. Most excellent work sir.
its not just that. its the dialog too XD
I’ll even match him rebuild a broom 🧹
And then do it again
And I watched every second of all of his videos
I have to say you sir have inspired me to log my rebuild of my 1g on RUclips what better way to keep track of the video footage then on here . I’d say with in a month I’ll shall start
Jafro, for the 2G the yoke IS still available. JNZ Tuning has them in stock as well as STM. Also, the rear carrier bearing DOES fit onto the front and is the superseded part#. It just does not have the small heat shield bracket. 100% fits the body. All parts available on JNZ tuning. Hope this helps clarify to people that may freak out when watching the video.
Had I bought two of the rear bearings to cut up and put in the JXB housing, I would have discovered this. I know there's going to be a time when they're not available. This video is just being posted earlier than when that problem arises. This would be a stupid problem to have that's capable of taking a fantastic car off the road, and car owners need to know that JXB is an option for preventing that.
@@Jafromobile Absolutely! I just wanted to try and get it out there that they do fit. Done a couple of these rebuilds myself. Also why I too try to stock pile dsm parts. Thankfully the JXB just got released too so great second option. Hope to see you at shootout man.
Omg! I'm literally doing this same thing! Started disassembly last week
I figured the Lobro joint and shaft orientation was probably the most useful info, so people could get to it from their phones. :P
I have and most likely never will own one of these cars and most likely wont do any of this kind of work on any make of car but regardless i enjoy watching your process and listening to your wealth of knowledge,good work Jafro,keep it up 👍
There's probably a car out there that you love. One day you might go through it and fix up? The processes you're observing will be just like yours. I think you're preparing yourself for something...
I don't even own any DSM products and I have been watching your videos since you taught me how to polish my valve cover on my 3rd s13 about 12 years ago. Thanks for sharing your hard earned knowledge!
Another solid video, Jafro! Much love! Side note: I feel like everyone has atleast one floppy joint..
Very true, temperature seems to play a factor!
Another great episode! These cars will give us great content for years to come!
All of my preparations from today have ensured it! I can't wait to take a road trip with all of what I just prepared, and start that ball rolling. This is going to be awesome!
Always brings me a smile to see a new video from your Sir. Sold my 98 GST many years ago and still keep up to date with ur new videos. Thanks Jafromobile!
Thank you so much for another outstanding video, Jafromobile!
I love what u did for those bushing that company could come
Up with a way to make those bearing work with there housing that would work great for the 2g I’m not a 2g guy but anything to keep the dsms going is a win to me🎉
They do. All I have to do is use the 1g bushing. It's only 2 hundredths of an inch difference doing that, and I can make that up with 2 or 3 wraps of self-fusing electrical tape. The bushing fits the housing the same way, so it works with a 1g bearing. No cutting anything. The bad thing is that the 1g carrier bearing costs twice as much as the rear 2g's but there's no cutting and you get this neatly packaged metal casing to work with. I've slightly drama-queened the front bushing issue, but it's a reality. This IS going to happen someday and JXB is already ahead of the game.
Love it!!
NEW antiques!
LMFAO!!! The Zip Tie joke as an Arizonan eho sees illigals getting deported all the time made me laugh so damn hard.
Pre-video like and comment because I already know I’m gonna enjoy it!
Haha! Thanks bud! Wow, you're on-point!
Did this job on my 2g about 2 months ago, STM sells the bolts that bolt into the rear diff . I also sanded them re-painted it with Eastwood matte black rust encapsulator
Thank you for helping me out with my dual piston on my caliper for my galant. I have a complete spare galant vr4. Rusted to sh** but regardless. Decent amount of spare parts if needed. One hand washes the other.
Bro, I really tried! I did. I thought it would be cool to be a part of y'er build.
8:39 Ah man, I waited for the 90 ton elephant in the room. 👍Sometimes it's nice to show what you can do if you set a limit/goal in performing an action. Just another way to get things done. Penetrating Oil is not a hammer, and "these" u-joints are not nails. And, yum, new dust caps 37:55 . And as for Jafro's "aluminum colored drive" shaft, objects in the aluminum colored mirror are closer than they appear,... and 60% lighter 😸
a return to the channels roots, I remember when this was the driveshaft channel!
6:09 that's why i spray oil on every joint under my vehicles or grease them where applicable every 2 years. Bucket, chore list, whatever, but man, it sure beats having to struggle when you have to take them out.
Granpa taught me this, making me take apart a driveshaft for a sprayer one summer, many moons ago.
He was a smart dude! Making a thing that you have to work on easier to maintain is self-care just as much as it is maintenance. It's good for both parties in that relationship!
DSS does make a 2 piece CF driveshaft now that includes the upgraded rear section as well, pretty baller stuff if someone wants to spend money like the govment
I want to, but first I need to learn to OBTAIN money like the government...😢
You, and your floppy yoke🙃Still here with ya brother Jaf😊
Why am I singing "Floppy yoke" to Adam Sandler's lunch lady song?
I'm so grateful for this video and you! This will help me with my Galant when the time comes!
I find smacking a flathead into the snap ring itself in several places dislodges it most of the time. Good shit jafro.
LET'S GO JAFRO🏁
Lubrication is your friend here
I rebuild the driveshaft on my '92 Talon TSi AWD last summer, more as a precautionary undertaking and because I'm OCD about rusty old parts than because there was anything noticeably wrong with it. But I didn't do the full job as I was pressed for time (had to visit my very sick dad who unfortunately passed away), so I skipped replacing the carrier bearings.
Basically I took it apart except for the bearings, removed all the rust with my trust Milwaukee M12 right angle die grinder and rotary tool and clean everything up, painted everything with POR-15, replaced all the u-joints and of course snap rings (got a deal on some closeout Moogs on RockAuto), put it back together, and reinstalled it with fresh aftermarket aluminum bushings.
It's worked great since then although I do intend to eventually replace the bearings and maybe some other parts when I get the time. But first I have to overhaul the throttle and idle control and rest of the intake and exhaust, turbo, injectors, intercooler and so on.
Hmm, I wonder if anyone's done a video on that... 😁
I love this guy. Keep um coming Jafro.
My project car has a 2-piece driveshaft, and I thought that was a pain to deal with. Then I watched this video. 😮
its gone 1am here Jafro! i need bed! well thats now off for an hour. fml! lol
Jafro and yet another. Epic video.
And doesn't even edit out the oversight instead, using it as a don't do as I do
Still. The. Best. RUclipsr. Ever. Seriously. 🙌
45:57 mark a turbo Subaru motor hanging. Excellent.
That goes there and this goes here and the hammer goes SMACK!
It do be like that sometimes.
I knew JXB would show up in this video. Got them on my B7 A4 quattro. Great product!
I drooled! Be careful saying that out loud. If the government finds out anyone can spend money like them, they'll spend even more, and we don't need that. ;)
@@Jafromobile I got a single mass flywheel kit sitting on the shelf due to Brexit, so politics surely plays in to things. If only the current clutch would give up the ghost already…
Lovin' it. Patiently waiting for more. :)
Excellent work!
As far as 2g driveshafts go. There are two carrier bearrings yes. The rear is still avaliable through mitsubishi. The front bearing has a metal tab designed to bolt on a heat shield to protect it from the exhaust. If you're okay with the "heat" from the exhaust you can get 2 rear bearings and use 1 on the front
And we all laugh at that 2" x 3 1/2" heat shield, too. It does work, but............
You the man Jafro!
I am amazed that you don't squirt some penetrating oil on all of those snap rings a day before you get started with disassembly.
Once you get the carbon from 30 years worth of exposure mixed with oil, you turn every tool you have, your clothes, the floor, everything slippery, black, greasy and stained. It gets everywhere because you get it on your tools. It's possible to be tidy with it, but we're talking 24 different oily filthy things to have to press out. When you do it dry, none of that happens. Your hands might get dirty, but it doesn't get everywhere. Remember I made the mistake of painting this place ultra-white.
@Jafromobile I was just thinking about how you said the ones at the front are easy because yoke leakage / other oil leaks keeps them from getting corroded. I would rather wipe up some mess than struggle the way you did with those darn snap rings.
Hope you brought the powder coat guys donuts! :)
Twice! I think they deserve a third visit, too.
Thanks for sharing.
50:55 You need your wiring harness table back. You're making my back hurt just watching lol
Who woulda thunk that an hour of rebuilding a set of driveshafts from a couple of cars I'll never own could be so interesting? That said, I think the dry humour helps. 👍
Invaluable info as always
A big +1 on using a decent snap ring pliers. I tried a set of HF pliers that wouldn't move even the tiniest snap rings. Spent a little more on a Channel Lock and it worked just fine.
Also a +1 on not using an impact to press. I munched a ball joint without even trying to. A breaker bar or ratchet is very easy with that big worm gear and you can feel what's going on to boot. Trying to save a few seconds with an impact just doesn't make any sense
One of the reasons I abused my snap ring pliers on camera was to demonstrate they don't have any of the problems that all the other ones I showed do. They're no worse off at the end of this job than before I started it. This snap ring plier SET is discontinued, but they're all still available individually, that's why I linked it in the description. ;)
Jafro, would you be willing to share some of the costs you endured for the coating and blasting of all the driveline and suspension parts for the 2g?
I'm getting closer to having an identical pile of parts with a need for blasting and coating also.
Great Video as always
It cost $400 to coat both driveshafts and the bumper mounts. 3 subframes' worth of 2 different Mitsubishi things cost $2150. The 4th subframe is being replaced by something that cost more than all of the powder coating combined. The coilovers were a tad over $1000. My GSX driveshaft rebuild was $1200 without the coating. The Galant was $758. This doesn't include axles, wheel bearings, bushings, brakes, a steering assembly, or any of that stuff. Haven't even made it to paint yet. This one's going to be exceptional.
You should do a 3000gt vr4/stealth rt/tt driveshaft next! I'm sure it's similar to this but slightly different enough to warrant it's own video.
:) yeah I know.
lol!
Jafro, have you ever tried something like Brodi ElectroniCoat spray on those retainer clips on the driveshaft? The product is rated for salt water marine grade boat applications. I wonder if that would give it a fighting chance.
Like you would have to fully grease the part mating surfaces, then wipe off almost all of the excess, then add the protective film coating
Previous videos were invaluable to me when I rebuilt my driveshaft. What do you think about not being able to find solid u-joints anymore?
All of the OEM ones that came out of both driveshafts were the hollow ones. These were all definitely the original ones. But yeah, I'd totally loved to have 3 of those instead!
@Jafromobile I know you can't find the solid ones anymore, which was what I pulled from my 91 GSX, but they were all knackered AF. Even the OEM ones got revised and aren't solid anymore, which I think was bizarre. Everyone who hoovered up those recall kits are the only ones who have access to those anymore 🤬
The bushing and carrier bearing for a 2g/evo can be purchased.
Dunno where he finds them but a Swedish dude with a website named japtuning sell them. No idea where he gets them but they are available.
I'm a moe-ron. Totally drama queened it. The rear bearing fits the front. If you road trip it, you might melt the bushing from the hot exhaust, but it totally fits. If Mitsubishi ran out of one of them... and I've encountered a lot of parts that I can't get today... then we all know what's inevitable. japtuning would have to have their own inventory. If you try to order the OEM unit from Mitsubishi's distribution, you get thwarted.
For whatever reason I thought the bushing was more offset, but it's not. It's the dang metal thing that you bolt it to that's offset. The bracket is different but they both actually line up the same.
@@Jafromobile the guy who runs japtuning recently helped a friend of mine purchase one for her evo 3 (and I got one too quick as F since he seemed to have trouble locating them). Maybe he did what you suggested. Took the rear one and fitted different brackets to it 🤔
Anyway, he has them so I made sure I have one on the shelf.
By the way, there are new slip yokes available for these shafts now!
Would you consider putting all the Mitsubishi eclipse videos in a playlist?
Well, that video was an impressive journey as always, Mr. Jafro. I'm inclined to ask why this 3 piece design couldn't be simplified with a single piece driveshaft.
The engine is transverse mounted. It's not straight-drive. So when it torques on its engine mounts, the transfer case output moves forward and backward as well as up and down. Being AWD, both the engine and the rear differential move on the bushings in opposite directions under load. A 1 piece driveshaft doesn't stretch and shrink to accommodate that. They don't like being played like an accordion. I recall several people tried to make 1 piece carbon fiber driveshafts for them and they kept exploding launching at the track. That's why all the DSS units are 2-piece today. No slip joint, though... I suppose allowing each end of the shaft to go its own way was enough, but the cars with this that I've ridden in are all noisy on decel.
@Jafromobile fair enough! I'm more into the Supra world - it's more common to convert to a 1 piece drive shaft, but with everything longitudinally mounted, it's less stress on the components and a lot easier. Everything you said makes perfect sense. Transverse mounted with a driveshaft that length definitely complicates things. Thank you for explaining so thoroughly.
You coulda painted them Titanium, then they would appear more expensive too!
🤣
Great instructional video! Is the 1st gen. shaft a bit longer than the 2nd gen. one? I am asking, because I have a Mitsubishi GTO (JDM version of the 3000GT) and my driveshaft needs repair, but it is not serviceable (the u-joints are staked). Why Mitsubishi made the DSM driveshaft serviceable and the GTO one non-serviceable is beyond me, but they did. For that reason, I am putting together a hybrid driveshaft that features the front two pieces of the DSM driveshaft and the rear piece of the stock GTO shaft. That way, the only non-serviceable part will be the rear flange’s u-joint.
The problem is that when I put it together and installed it on the car, I discovered that it was 1/2” to 1” shorter than the GTO stock shaft. That has the slip yoke stick out a bit further than it should. Well, when I looked at where the difference was, I saw that the connection between the front and the middle shaft pieces was a bit different.
The GTO shaft had a piece attached to it that connected to a flange like the one that connects the rear shaft piece to the rear diff. The DSM front shaft piece connects to the middle shaft piece differently (the way you show in your video). That particularity makes the GTO driveshaft just a tad longer than the DSM one. Well, I am planning to use that connecting piece from the GTO’s middle shaft piece and replace its DSM counterpart with it.
To make this work and keep the u-joint connection serviceable, I will use the flange from the DSM rear shaft piece that connects it to the rear diff. and thus I will recreate the connection that Mitsubishi used for the GTO driveshaft. I am just hoping that the splined part of the middle DSM shaft piece is the same length as the one on its GTO counterpart. Do you happen to know if it is?
Can I hire you to rebuild my drive shaft? Seriously asking.
woooo new vid
Geez, 86 views, 30 likes - I don't think I've ever seen a like ratio as high as that
Man I love your videos. Ever get a new kitty? I'm sorry not trying to bring things up but I'm a critter lover.
Nah, and it would be unfair to it lately. Since I've started paying rent for a shop, I'm never home unless I'm editing. Kitties don't like Jafros editing. It's unfair to both the kitty, and my audience. Someday when I don't have to rent a shop, though... I promise.
Shop cat. There's that. I mean... Also not the best place for an animal, but if it's the right cat...
I know I'm a bit late to this party but the Evo 3 transfer case seal is actually too wide for the yoke. I wonder if there is a narrower seal for it as that would fix the yoke issue on the Evo 3 and likely dsm too. Anyone know?
Thanks for making these videos! Do you know if EVO 4-6 driveshafts are rebuildable? I read on some forums that people say they can't be rebuilt and to just go aftermarket. I have a rusted and worn OEM 3-piece driveshaft and not sure if it's worth trying to rebuild.
Being that all of the other AWD Mitsubishi stuff from that era uses the exact same service parts, I would consider those posts to be suspect. If that driveshaft, Lobro joint, yokes, etc... ...look like these... well then... Space Wagons, Delia's, Galant's, Eclipse, Eagle Wagons... if those are all the same, I uh... Man, I'd have to see one. In my observations most of the changes from 88-99 were purely cosmetic, and in that regard I'm just talking about interiors and bodies. The only thing I've seen on driveshaft parts is their lengths.
@@Jafromobile Thanks for the observations on how ubiquitous the parts generally are with the cars you've worked on. I'll take a closer look at what I have and reference your video. Appreciate the help!
Great info here, are you going to rebuild the Colts Driveshaft too? It’s using 1G running gear right? I’d assume it would be the same parts to rebuild.
I already did! It's been shortened, painted, everything replaced. The entire drivetrain of that one is finished except for one axle. Nevermind that it still needs an electrical system, fuel system, exhaust system, intake system, coolant system, gas tank and some means of strapping a driver down to it. But yeah, the Colt's driveshaft is finished! Its rebuild was about $400 12 years ago.
Jafro I hope I'm not being too forward by asking, but did you have a bad experience with an old school parts washer when you were a kid?
I have one, and nothing I ever need to clean ever fits in it. lol! I wet sand in it instead.
I still reference your original video.
So entertaining are your videos and so much good can be said...but this is the Internet and some bad needs to be spoken. Having myself a debility for the awd/4x4 or smart mechanical/fluid/electronic traction systems in my car. Do you think mechanical hypocondria distress can be caused by watching your in depth videos?
Just imagining my 02' haldex 4x4 going bad and needed repairs done by someone else than me...or talented certified master mechanic (in case is worth the asking price, because not very good when lots of hand work hours are needed)...It has problems now and I'm waiting until they are critic...do you know the feeling?
So many things can go mistakenly "repaired" and cause other problems if not methodic and documented and proper torque settings, balncing, geometry... they should sell new old cars if iconic or special...
Smart guy but wrong car sorry, I owe a mitsubishi lancer, great car but front wheel drive junk for performance and u know that, move towards Honda and rear wheel drive 🚗 😉 👍 great content good to see ya back 👍
where is the elantra. are you still driving. Don't remember what happened to it.
I'm trying to get my GSX off the lift so I can put the Elantra on it. It's fine, still runs and drives but I managed to blow the exhaust apart on it. I have a few other fun things going in it soon, but I do have to get the GSX out of here to do all of it.
Jafro why do you like mitsubishi so much
It's not so much Mitsubishi, and it's hard to say it all in a RUclips comment. I talked about a lot of this this in the opening of the polishing series. This particular model and engine platform is potent. They've been running 8 second quarter miles since the '90's. A 4-cylinder. Sean Glazar ran an 8.67 and broke the unibody production car 1/4 mile chassis record in 2001. Absolutely smashed every domestic with a 4-banger. It didn't take long after that to see them going 6's (Brent Rau). Once every generation a car is built that gives its owners a level of performance, power, OR style that is exceptional and affordable to the masses. Mitsubishi managed to give us a car that did all 3 affordably. Honda, Nissan, Toyota, they all make great cars. But you had to re-invent them all from the ground up to do anything like that. They're still the fastest 1/4 mile production 4-cylinder stick shift chassis in 2023 (Devin Schultz). There wasn't another manufacturer who made a competitive AWD turbo car at the time that was affordable to the American car market. They were built at a time when people were not just expected, but encouraged to work on their own vehicles. If you haven't noticed, we're all losing our right and ability to do that. That's what I appreciate about this platform. I will never be interested in buying any vehicle that I can't work on myself, or that doesn't reward me for spending my time doing it. Mitsubishi gave car owners an affordable platform with the total package that encouraged their creativity and innovation allowing everyday people a chance to achieve supercar-level performance with grocery-getter level investment. I'm still waiting for another manufacturer to repeat that gesture 30 years later.
@@Jafromobile I'm just wondering, I love mitsubishis sure some of their diesel engines are unreliable but they made same seriously impressive sports cars.
Gallant, evos and 3000gt are amazing.
Just to be clear I have a 2g and bought the jxb kit. Which carrier bearings do I have to buy? I want to change both.
You can buy 2 REAR 2g carrier bearings (which cost 40% less than the 1g) and use it exactly as they designed it to work if you need new ones. Although I'm pretty sure that as long as all the grease in it isn't black and if they move smoothly, then you'd be fine to use the bearings you've got. If you just clean the grease out and re-pack them with fresh stuff and you wouldn't have to spend anything. They only support about 50lbs instead of 3,000 like a wheel bearing does. But if they must be new, I understand. I've never encountered one that was seized, but I'm not everyone else.
@@Jafromobile I have one that spins freely but the other doesn't.
@@playero361 See, I told you I'm not everyone else. LOL! At least you can buy 2 brand new ones for the kit you've got for only $40 more than ONE single 1g bearing. Just trim carefully and you'll be fine!
@@playero361 Better yet, practice cutting your bad bearing first. See if you can get that one to fit right before you cut the others.
@@Jafromobile where do you recomend buying them?
Oh shit, JXB! He's an autocrosser in our community. No shit he makes dsm parts?
Indeed! This part design is genius. It's a completely different, flexible approach to a common problem we have. It dramatically simplifies the repair and installation versus all of this. If that guy drives like he designs parts, he's a threat! ;)
Shoulda did it on work bench and save your legs knees
"You never know what might happen here"..... what you gonna side line these two and work on the Hyundai again? Or are you gonna finally build out that little awd animal of a hatchback known as the Colt?
My goal is to get this thing off the lift and get it to a body shop. The Hyundai will get work done, I've found what it needs... and it won't take long to do... but it's getting it while someone else continues the body work on these projects somewhere else. My goal first is to get these two in a state where they can leave and go do the other thing. THEN the crazy stuff starts happening.
Can you just run a 1 piece driveshaft?
Carrier bearing kit is a ripoff. Re rubber it with urethane and source some bearings or even pillow blocks from McMaster lol.
Aluminum junkkkkkkkkk
Honestly, why not put the joints in the hydraulic press and call it good? Lol
I'm pooping
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You wasted a lot of time taking the snap-rings out during the rebuild.
You could have just taken up the slop with a *FILLER GAUGE*
I love all the FSM misspellings! There are some really good ones.😄