Two full-grown American Adults.....LOL. I love the implication that all full-grown American Adults each weigh 335lbs. No offense, but at 335, you'd have a pretty hard time fitting up front. A better way to say this would be, "At the FAA average weight, this aircraft can carry just shy of 4 people, at max gross weight". Three for sure, with bags, four if everyone has a healthy diet. C'mon Mike...
@@FlightX101 Ya true. If that even. Really not a big deal on this aircraft because on of the things that Mike left out is that the typical bladder can't handle 4.5 hrs of flying. Most flights will stop after about 3 hrs. This would allow you to carry 2 more folks.
Mojo, love your channel, but you're wrong. I had a Meridian for 18 years. The Meridian is a great plane. Everything is a balance. It's as practical as your money will allow. Have more money, get the 600 or TBM, or get a HondaJet like I did.
Because the turboprop market and servicing have convinced themselves that their monetary unit is a million dollars, there is just no cost effective option. Buying an old plane for 1.5million just means you get that 500k service fee next year and then it really gets expensive. We really need to get away from this self inflicted absurd cost because it takes very little carbon fiber to hold 1 atmosphere of pressure or carry 5 people. Imagine a carbon fiber ladder that could hold 5 people, it might weight 2 kilos. And in a nice teardrop shell it's almost not possible to make it so thin that it can't hold. A soda can has walls 0.1mm thick like a piece of paper of alu and they hold up to 6 atmosphere of pressure. Carbon fiber is 20x stronger than aircraft alu and easy to shape in one piece. I think I did the math for the cost of name brand carbon fiber cloth for a plane this size and it's below 10k. Of course there are windows and doors and avionics and engines etc but a larger plane can have much the same complexity as the smallest plane. So why are they 50x more expensive. If you saw what was possible you'd be shocked. They are doing it wrong.
You have the structural loads and g loads to think about not just pressure but you're right the builds are behind the materials as far as new tech in material science.
@@triedproven9908 I figure a double curved CF shell quickly develops structural strength in most directions. Because of curvatures it can be rigid as just a shell without frames or stringers. Both easy to make and light. And once pressurized it becomes very rigid. The wings will need more conventional structural strength but CF can be borderline ridiculously strong with little weight. The lighter the craft the skinnier the wings. I have wondered if it would be smart for the wing to be very small where it meets the fuselage to avoid interference drag between body and wing. Typically they build a massive shoulder on jets which I presume is to counter interference drag. But must create quite a drag as well. It just seems so obvious that a carbon fiber balloon can be ultra light. A Phenom 100 weighs 3.3ton. A Gogetair 4 seater weighs 400kg and jet engines are light so why is the Phenom 8x heavier with 50% more seats. There seems to be massive opportunity there. Eclipse is only half the weight of Phenom but I figure that can be halved 1 or 2 more times.
All i know is, were my financial status able to support the entirety of any Pratt Whitney turbine powered propeller driven craft, comfortably, with ease - there would be one more E1000GX ordered and I'd be in no hurry for delivery. So it would be a deeply well crafted, luxurious, airplane. It's core being- the beastly speed demon, King of velocity of it's class. Engineering and Design. Likely the finest coupling of it's type FAA Certified, ever made in the US. 🙂 The E1000GX is a masterpiece, imo
That plane is a single engine airplane and bird strike is no joke. Sully had two engines. i prefer flyng my Diamond D-62 instead. Chi va piano, va sano. Chi va sano, va lontano lontano ( slow and steady wins the race )
hehe you are better off with a Lancair IV-P then. Crazy to take the price hit starting from a turbine plane. Maybe if you could find a turboprop plane with a dead engine and put a piston engine with a turbo in it although it would have to be a serious engine because these planes are built too heavy so it probably wants 600horse continuous as minimum. It's just so bad engineering that it can't be saved costwise. The only way you should touch any of it is if you have so much money that any expense coming up is insignificant. It seems that buying an older plane is an illusion of lower cost. It's just installments of the same price.
Two full-grown American Adults.....LOL. I love the implication that all full-grown American Adults each weigh 335lbs. No offense, but at 335, you'd have a pretty hard time fitting up front. A better way to say this would be, "At the FAA average weight, this aircraft can carry just shy of 4 people, at max gross weight". Three for sure, with bags, four if everyone has a healthy diet. C'mon Mike...
@Navy1977 agreed. 670 divided by 190 equals 3.5 adults. Or just shy of 4, as I previously mentioned.
Realistically thats all you are going to bring for a serious cross country flight unless yall fly around with no baggage
@Navy1977 Nice, thanks! Yep, we're all gaining weight. Lol.
@@FlightX101 Ya true. If that even. Really not a big deal on this aircraft because on of the things that Mike left out is that the typical bladder can't handle 4.5 hrs of flying. Most flights will stop after about 3 hrs. This would allow you to carry 2 more folks.
I wish when you guys report about these planes, it would be nice to say what type of fuel they use. Which has a huge bearing on running costs.
Hey, Tks for the video.
I think the m500 is a good price new when the tbm 850's are going for the same at 15 years old.
Jet prop is the clear winner here though.
Mojo, love your channel, but you're wrong. I had a Meridian for 18 years. The Meridian is a great plane. Everything is a balance. It's as practical as your money will allow. Have more money, get the 600 or TBM, or get a HondaJet like I did.
Brazilian register... JP Martins sells them
Because the turboprop market and servicing have convinced themselves that their monetary unit is a million dollars, there is just no cost effective option. Buying an old plane for 1.5million just means you get that 500k service fee next year and then it really gets expensive. We really need to get away from this self inflicted absurd cost because it takes very little carbon fiber to hold 1 atmosphere of pressure or carry 5 people. Imagine a carbon fiber ladder that could hold 5 people, it might weight 2 kilos. And in a nice teardrop shell it's almost not possible to make it so thin that it can't hold. A soda can has walls 0.1mm thick like a piece of paper of alu and they hold up to 6 atmosphere of pressure. Carbon fiber is 20x stronger than aircraft alu and easy to shape in one piece. I think I did the math for the cost of name brand carbon fiber cloth for a plane this size and it's below 10k. Of course there are windows and doors and avionics and engines etc but a larger plane can have much the same complexity as the smallest plane. So why are they 50x more expensive.
If you saw what was possible you'd be shocked. They are doing it wrong.
You have the structural loads and g loads to think about not just pressure but you're right the builds are behind the materials as far as new tech in material science.
@@triedproven9908 I figure a double curved CF shell quickly develops structural strength in most directions. Because of curvatures it can be rigid as just a shell without frames or stringers. Both easy to make and light. And once pressurized it becomes very rigid. The wings will need more conventional structural strength but CF can be borderline ridiculously strong with little weight. The lighter the craft the skinnier the wings. I have wondered if it would be smart for the wing to be very small where it meets the fuselage to avoid interference drag between body and wing. Typically they build a massive shoulder on jets which I presume is to counter interference drag. But must create quite a drag as well.
It just seems so obvious that a carbon fiber balloon can be ultra light. A Phenom 100 weighs 3.3ton. A Gogetair 4 seater weighs 400kg and jet engines are light so why is the Phenom 8x heavier with 50% more seats. There seems to be massive opportunity there. Eclipse is only half the weight of Phenom but I figure that can be halved 1 or 2 more times.
I can only afford the FSR500. But I love flying it.
same here lol
Remember that the M350 is the one to buy. Cheaper and nothing beats a piston
Except a turbine, that beats a piston.
@@johnnunn8688 LOL. I was like, "really?...nothing beats the dated technology we're using in pistons today?"
@@johnnunn8688 Lol was just thinking the same
As always.. another excellent video 📷✈️🛫🛬 have a great weekend Mike ✌🏻🇺🇸
All i know is, were my financial status able to support the entirety of any Pratt Whitney turbine powered propeller driven craft, comfortably, with ease - there would be one more E1000GX ordered and I'd be in no hurry for delivery. So it would be a deeply well crafted, luxurious, airplane.
It's core being- the beastly speed demon, King of velocity of it's class.
Engineering and Design.
Likely the finest coupling of it's type FAA Certified, ever made in the US.
🙂
The E1000GX is a masterpiece, imo
just waiting on that lottery win to come through. considering i've never played the lottery, it may be a long wait
Lmao. You and me both buddy.
I love your contents.
Two full-grown American Adults! Like if you resemble that statement. I'll go first.
Got all this in my 23 Honda Pilot,almost.
Nice plane but i can't go back to single engines again.
Who owns Piper Aircraft, Inc.?
Sultan or Brunei!
A tribal chief called sultan.
Expensive kit ...... I would rather have a 421C ....
Me like the piper
If I every win lottery I prefer to have this than a lear jet.
That plane is a single engine airplane and bird strike is no joke. Sully had two engines. i prefer flyng my Diamond D-62 instead. Chi va piano, va sano. Chi va sano, va lontano lontano ( slow and steady wins the race )
Honda made a jet for 1.8 million
Why would someone buy this 6 seater, when they fly mostly alone?
Seriously, get a lancair or vans rv
I AGREE 110% !!!!!!!!!
🛩️ First 🛩️
The engineering urge to LS swap the m500 😂
hehe you are better off with a Lancair IV-P then. Crazy to take the price hit starting from a turbine plane. Maybe if you could find a turboprop plane with a dead engine and put a piston engine with a turbo in it although it would have to be a serious engine because these planes are built too heavy so it probably wants 600horse continuous as minimum.
It's just so bad engineering that it can't be saved costwise. The only way you should touch any of it is if you have so much money that any expense coming up is insignificant. It seems that buying an older plane is an illusion of lower cost. It's just installments of the same price.
Not worth it