The D probably stands for Dickenhobel (thicknesser). The 9 range is the most professional range in the Felder line-up and 51 is the max. width in centimeters.
No, it's German so it probably stands for "DaMachineThatTakesBoardsAndMakesThemThinner" 😂 When I was training in Germany, I used to laugh at the length of some of the words. And Marius Hornberger (great great channel) has some Felder saws/CNC. Seems like a TOP notch company - like most German tools company.
I put a Shelix cutter head in my old Rigid 13" a few years ago. It's been a whole new planer ever since. Huge upgrade. But the cutter head in that Felder!?! Holy crap! Congrats. This will be fun to use.
Hi Marc Congrats with the Felder, Its my go to brand for woodworking machinery. Here in Denmark 3 phase power is standard in a house, so no problem with that. Now you just need a Felder sliding tablesaw.....Mike Farrington has one 😀
Felder I my favorite brand I have worked with a Felder machine with the silent power head I am getting a panel saw shaper combo this year from Felder very excited
Got my first Felder the other day I got a sliding table saw Felder k975 it is used but new to me. Good thing with Felder they have all the info on this saw. I was working with Felder US for info to make the purchase since the saw was four hours from my shop Felder was able to give me all the information I needed and letting me know that they still stand behind their saw
In the stretching dollar arena the cool thing about 3 phase woodworking tools. They are often cheaper in the used market than a beefy 240 used equipment. There is simply a smaller set of buyers for used 3phase and I often see good quality gently used three phase equipment for a price lower than used 240. Some are well used being commercial but often see equipment time to time and it could pay back the 3phase convertor. Cheers!
Welcome to the family! I'll be mild: After having not so much fun with Hammer machines K4 and A341 (Felder Grouppe) I decided to upgrade to Felder machines. I got table saw K700 and fully upgraded combo j/p AD741. These are beautiful machines and work incredible. Worth every penny. Btw, the first letter is the name of the machine in German (D for planer), 9 is the Felder series (9 is the best one) and 51 is the width of planning in centimeters (20" or so). If I had more money I'd definitely go with the AD951 but mine was already a stretch. Congratulations on your machine, you'll love it even more every day you use it. Best regards from Croatia
Glad to see Felder tools are getting more exposure in the US. First saw them in Germany and loved them. If I could afford it, I'd get the combo jointer/planer. Awesome tool.
Felder makes those combos under the name Hammer as well. they're a little less expensive and refined, but they're still wonderful machines. Far from cheap, but they're a joy to use and very fast and simple to switch from planer to jointer
I know they make a combo machine but if you go Felder, just go for dedicated machines. I can't imagine flipping a 600 pound cast iron jointer bed to get access to the planer side of things!
I don’t have any experience w phase converters but I’ve installed two VFDs in my garage and it wasn’t too difficult. I bought them to run a PM 66 & then a blower unit for DC. TECO Westinghouse made VFDs; about $175 each if I recall correctly. The real savings was buying used 3 phase machines
VFDs can generally directly run 3 phase motors, but not machines that have other electronics. Ran into this when I initially tried to use a VFD to run a jointer in my home shop, but eventually had to shell out the extra cash for the same American Rotary phase converter you bought, which is fantastic. Generally you most see VFDs running either old direct drive style machine motors without fancy electronics, or on CNCs running brushless spindles.
VFD's can absolutely run three phase machines. They just go by the name of "inverters" which are essentially the same thing. The inverters that run large machines are usually very large with some very large IGBT's. Very common on boats which cannot exactly be hooked up to a power grid
@@williamdussault991 . Wrong. Industrial drives don't use igbts. They use SCR groups to fire the correct frequency. Silicon controlled rectifiers run faster and last longer. You only see igbts on smaller drives.
If the electronics can't run off if a VFD, how is his planer running the display, the main drive VFD, and all the other micro electronics that run the machine? That 3phase generator is nothing more than a VFD that is programmed to recreate a specific wave form of 3 phase power at a specific voltage.
@@ronniestanley75 Rotary phase converter is much different than a vfd - how it works and also from sheer size. You have a 90 pound motor being used to generate the 3rd phase with the rotary phase converter, where with a VFD the power is generally converted to DC and then using capacitors and diodes is turned into pulsed power simulating three phase AC, but not the exact same. One of the culprits may also be that with a VFD you need to be extremely specific with output voltage, amperage, poles etc, which is readily known for a motor but not for all the electronics that rectify the power before it gets there, and may also be used to run other thing, for example the feed motor in a planer.
It’s a really nice machine buy 2 essential items from Felder 1. extending alloy table 2. Resin remover spray for silent power Use spray every day after work👍🏻
Lmao.. when you said pucker factor watching that come in on the forks, I'm reminded of a video clip of a guy I know at a certain meat factory where I work was moving an 80k machine lil bigger than your planer outside on a forklift to a loading dock and there was a strap hanging down and right in the middle of the parking lot it got launched right off the forks. Needless to say, I'm glad I'm in IT and had access to watching that camera footage over and over... luckily it didn't break. Lots of battle scars on a brand new machine though.
William and Kelly Mehler both have Planers - teaching at those places made me want to get one. I waited until I was 71! I should have gotten one a long time ago. My methods rely upon accuracy. You can almost use the planer to check the accuracy of your calipers.
Jason probably needs to swap out the hammer drill for a rotary hammer drill :-) They are much quieter and go through through masonry like butter, and you don't get a numb hand from the noisey and irritating vibration.
Ah Felder. That's the dream. I want their panel saw, planer, jointer, bandsaw, everything. Might get started on their pro-sumer line Hammer, though. Something I can actually afford :)
Enjoy watching you channel. One small suggestion I'd like to make. You might think about taking the motor off the ground. Like you I installed mine on the floor also, but after a huge flood in my shop I built a three course cinder block platform filled with concrete to mount it on. Rebuilding all my machine motors was not fun. But I did learn a new skill rebuilding them.
Press the green start button and keep your finger on it for a moment until the motor is up to speed. That was the advice I was given by Felder for a single phase machine and the three phase F700 I purchased a couple of years ago. I did have to replace the capacitors on the single phase AD741 after a year or so of jabbing the start button.
Looks like he's not reading the comment section. That was my comment too. I have the Hammer combination machine perform C31 from Felder group. Awesome machine and I went through my capacitor also because I wasn't using the green button properly. It's a safety feature from what they told me.
From Missouri as well, lifelong resident lol. If you all are going to start selling lumber I know several people including myself would very much be interested in that. Have always worked with wood a little here and there, my grandpa was the carpenter. I just used to be the little gofer lol. But recently trying to turn a hobby and knowledge I have into more. The closest place to where I am that seems to have great more raw pieces is actually over in Anna IL. So would welcome another place to buy from to get a great canvas to work with.
I am surprised that an old firehouse doesn't already have 3 phase at the panel. I have an Oliver 299d with an Itch head there is nothing that ever tears out with it, it's an amazing machine.
Just because it's a commercial property, doesn't mean 3 phase was justified to be installed. Especially without large HVAC, there wouldn't have been anything else on site that would've benefited from the capacity/lower current draw it offers.
Congrats! Nice machine. I have a Hammer A3 by Felder for two years now with the "same" cutter head and I love it. Felder makes quality tools! Have fun and stay safe!
We used several phase converters in my dad's shop. One for a table saw, one for a shaper, one for a power feeder, and one for a Bridgeport mill. None of them used an electric motor!
It is not an electric motor. It is a rotary phase converter. There are systems that do not use the rotary converter but they have limits that the rotary converter does not have.
One can purchase an electronic phase converter. They are more expensive but if the machine you're installing is very picky about the 120 degree between the phases it might be necessary. You can build a three phase rotary converter with a motor and a handful of capacitors which cause a third leg to be lagging 120 out of phase.
@@johnburger3287 what ever! Looks like an electric motor. Sorry I used the wrong terminology. My point was that we used them fine for a very long time and with different machines and it was much simpler than what was shown in the video.
even-though i had 3 phase coming in in my old house i still didn't had 400 V so used a trafo to fix that Norway runs a bit back on electricity In holland when you have three phase you always have automatic 400V so much easier. but on my job we use the same brand machine and i love it.
James @clough42 just recently did several videos about Phase convertors for a small shop. Might be a really good stop for people wanting to learn more. As his explanation is quite approachable.
Over here in the Netherlands Felder is de goto brand for professionals. I used to think your American tablesaws etc were top tier. Bummed about the sawstop being bought by Festool and therefore not possible to buy here. But then I grew up a little and realized america is actually behind. You all use the dated tablesaws planers etc. Then there is the electrical issue. OMG I'm glad we have a first world electrical system. Took me about an hour to install 3phase. A frickin motor for 3 phase!? What? Do you still have one of those American toy plugs for 3phase?
I NEVER knew this low noise level and high cut quality was even possible with a planer Marc! 🤩 However, I’m concerned you may have just spent more of my money. 😮😆
Hey Marc, sound power measurements have a 1/distance^2 from source dependence. For example: doubling the distance reduces sound level by a factor of 4 (2^2). Unless you use the same standoff distance, the sound power will not be apples to apples from source to source. Typically one meter is the reference distance. Killer planer!!! - cheers from a hobby wood/metal working physicist.
The only distance that matters to me is the distance between my head and the tool, which is the ballpark distance I employed in the video. I'd argue my measurements are more meaningful as a result. Measuring each tool at a fixed distance, while nice for spec sheets, doesn't help much if you're not actually standing in that same location when using the tool. Also, this wasn't intended to be apples to apples. For that I would have to show different types of planers all at working distance. The only point of the sound meter was to show how quiet the machine is relative to other things people are familiar with.
You may want to try Felder Supergielt fot the table. Works miricles when getting heavy lumber to pull through. Perhaps you could do show on it and similar products. Lubication, rust protection, effect on finishes etc John J
@@HonoredMule I know a lot of people like dado stacks, but I never saw the benefit of them over using a router. Or rather: the tradeoff always seemed like a complete wash to me, but dados are (slightly) more dangerous. Just doesn't seem worth it. But maybe that says more about me than dado stacks.
I don't use them much myself, but that's largely because my design aesthetics infrequently involve/accommodate dados, and even then they sometimes can't be through the whole work piece. But if I do have to make a dado, I much prefer the table saw (stack or no stack), _especially_ if it's 1/2" or bigger. I find using guide rails tedious, the full-size router to be a huge hassle, and the small cordless not much better for that kind of work even when it can handle it. I _can_ get good results with router or table saw, but with a dado stack the good results are effortless, as is the repeatability. With my cheap edge guides/router slide, I also find the router falls rather short on maximum possible precision of placement.
@@HonoredMule I understand the repeatability argument. I think I just find the idea of setting up a dado stack correctly for a precise width cut extremely unappealing. And a table saw seems dangerous enough to me without turning it into a wood chipper. To each their own.
Power! Unlimited Power!!! You’ve opened the 3 phase flood gates now with the RPC. What size is the model you have? AR20? A decent sized rotary phase converter (~10hp+) opens up so many options on machinery.
I thought the same thing but didnt think as many people would get the reference. I actually played that scene on my phone for Jason after we did it, lol
On Felder machines you have to continue to hold the green start button until the machine has come up to speed. If you don't it, it may cause premature failure.
@@pkwoodworking Thank you for clarifying that. My Felder bandsaw and Jointer planer are single phase. I just noticed how slow Marc's the planer came up to speed and figured it would be the same as my machines.
That sound test was so infomercial like. O ya here are other tools operating and doing their jobs while I’ll only show this tool turning on and call it good.
If the damage is bad enough on any piece of freight you are receiving you can simply reject it. The freight carrier is legally obligated to maintain possession of it and see what the shipper wants to do.
@Clough42 has a very recent video (last night) explaining exactly how a phase converter works (because he, like you, has single phase in the shop and a new 3 phase tool... and content.)
By the way, the power button needs to be hold until it speed up to the maximum speed. I have the Hammer version from Felder group. It's a safety feature. If you press it once without holding, it will take a while to ramp up. Holding it is a confirmation you want it to run and it will ramp up right away. Just punching once the start button will kill your capacitors overtime. True story.
This is only when using a start capacitor for single phase. Three phase machines get rotation from the three phases and don’t need a starting capacitor.
Ahh, you're going to be processing rough lumber for sale! That makes sense. Might as well get the aircraft carrier jointer like Marks has, too! Hey, it's a business expense write off!
Ok I see , you & Mike Farrington went on a little field trip & both got a case of tool envy , lol .. In his case a shaper followed him home You two are not allowed to play together anymore!!!
What is the advantage of 3ph power? I know about the advantage of 220V over 110V single phase but not 3ph. It is an impressive piece of equipment though. That cutter head is awesome. And it it is certainly quiet. I bet that the only thing that is less is the price though. And to say nothing of the phase converter. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.🙂🙂
I believe 3ph is just a more efficient (and smoother) format, particularly at industrial scale. There are definitely resources out there covering exactly this. At the scale of this particular tool, it's probably a design choice based on typical customer use-cases (i.e. in industrial facilities with mostly 3ph infrastructure) more than technical merit.
Capacity for power generally. You don't really get single phase motors of the size that are in that planer. 3ph motors are generally a tad more efficient too, run cooler, last almost forever if used correctly. Single phase motors have capacitors and/or centrifugal switches which eventually go bad.
3-phase power is capable getting much more power to a tool. Or, put another way, a 3-phase tool draws less current than an equivalent single phase tool. Usually, you won't see things above 5HP running single phase, but for a machine requiring a 10HP motor, 3-phase is really the only way you can get there. Another is that 3-phase motors don't require startup capacitors or other things to get the motor running, eliminating a point of failure on the motor. Also, much like going from 110v to 220v single phase, a 3-phase motor typically runs more quietly than an equivalent power single phase motor.
Never heard of Felder, probably because I typically don’t research tool’s I’ll never be able to afford, or really don’t have a need for, but damn, I’d love something like this in my garage shop, especially something that will accept more than 13”. But I’m thinking a drum sander might be a better, and far cheaper tool for me right now as I hate sanding! I’m amazed at how quiet your Felder is! My planner sounds like a jet with motor issues, and for the life of me, I can’t avoid some snipe, but I guess that’s life with a lunchbox planner. Congratulations on your new toy, and I hope your business is very successful.
Check out Hammer by Felder. Much cheaper great quality. I am using A3 31. It was still difficult to justify for hobby but I wish to spend all my money that well I did on this one.
What a monster! I was actually most impressed seeing the antique at 6:35....The good old days of radio shack!
they were the best!
The D probably stands for Dickenhobel (thicknesser). The 9 range is the most professional range in the Felder line-up and 51 is the max. width in centimeters.
Was this innuendo? Asking for a friend.
@@harleytakuachemode Only as much as the English word is an insult.
No, it's German so it probably stands for "DaMachineThatTakesBoardsAndMakesThemThinner" 😂 When I was training in Germany, I used to laugh at the length of some of the words. And Marius Hornberger (great great channel) has some Felder saws/CNC. Seems like a TOP notch company - like most German tools company.
@@hansangb I believe Felder is actually based in Austria.
@@PaliVCiernom Austria, Germany, same difference 😉
I love seeing how happy you are about this! You’re passionate about woodworking, tools, and content creation - what a great midlife crisis!
I have the same cutter head on my A3-41 and absolutely love it.
I put a Shelix cutter head in my old Rigid 13" a few years ago. It's been a whole new planer ever since. Huge upgrade. But the cutter head in that Felder!?! Holy crap! Congrats. This will be fun to use.
The Powermatic sponsorship was great but I love seeing you bring in the tools you want
Hi Marc
Congrats with the Felder, Its my go to brand for woodworking machinery. Here in Denmark 3 phase power is standard in a house, so no problem with that. Now you just need a Felder sliding tablesaw.....Mike Farrington has one 😀
Felder I my favorite brand I have worked with a Felder machine with the silent power head I am getting a panel saw shaper combo this year from Felder very excited
William Ngs Felder total drool. His jointers too.
we had one of these in the college, soooo quiet! sooooo smooth! someday, someday precious!
Holy Planer Batman! You just planed off a 1/4” of walnut in one pass! Get out of here! Crazy cool! 😁👍🏻
Got my first Felder the other day I got a sliding table saw Felder k975 it is used but new to me. Good thing with Felder they have all the info on this saw. I was working with Felder US for info to make the purchase since the saw was four hours from my shop Felder was able to give me all the information I needed and letting me know that they still stand behind their saw
Nice. Enjoy using it.
In the stretching dollar arena the cool thing about 3 phase woodworking tools.
They are often cheaper in the used market than a beefy 240 used equipment.
There is simply a smaller set of buyers for used 3phase and I often see good quality gently used three phase equipment for a price lower than used 240.
Some are well used being commercial but often see equipment time to time and it could pay back the 3phase convertor.
Cheers!
Welcome to the family!
I'll be mild: After having not so much fun with Hammer machines K4 and A341 (Felder Grouppe) I decided to upgrade to Felder machines. I got table saw K700 and fully upgraded combo j/p AD741.
These are beautiful machines and work incredible. Worth every penny.
Btw, the first letter is the name of the machine in German (D for planer), 9 is the Felder series (9 is the best one) and 51 is the width of planning in centimeters (20" or so). If I had more money I'd definitely go with the AD951 but mine was already a stretch.
Congratulations on your machine, you'll love it even more every day you use it.
Best regards from Croatia
Sadly the x41 is the biggest you can go on single phase. I really wanted the AD951 but settled for the AD941 because of the power requirements.
Glad to see Felder tools are getting more exposure in the US. First saw them in Germany and loved them. If I could afford it, I'd get the combo jointer/planer. Awesome tool.
Felder makes those combos under the name Hammer as well. they're a little less expensive and refined, but they're still wonderful machines. Far from cheap, but they're a joy to use and very fast and simple to switch from planer to jointer
@@nino9273 The Hammer ones do have the Silent Power cutter head es well and you can get a small one starting at 2.8k.
I know they make a combo machine but if you go Felder, just go for dedicated machines. I can't imagine flipping a 600 pound cast iron jointer bed to get access to the planer side of things!
Good call on using a phase converter over a VFD. Without completely nerding out, it is definitively the better solution.
I don’t have any experience w phase converters but I’ve installed two VFDs in my garage and it wasn’t too difficult. I bought them to run a PM 66 & then a blower unit for DC. TECO Westinghouse made VFDs; about $175 each if I recall correctly. The real savings was buying used 3 phase machines
Glad to see you finally stepped up to some quality Austrian made machinery.
Loved that old school Radio Shack sound meter! That’s one helluva planer and it couldn’t be in more capable hands.
Congratulations on your new toy
VFDs can generally directly run 3 phase motors, but not machines that have other electronics. Ran into this when I initially tried to use a VFD to run a jointer in my home shop, but eventually had to shell out the extra cash for the same American Rotary phase converter you bought, which is fantastic. Generally you most see VFDs running either old direct drive style machine motors without fancy electronics, or on CNCs running brushless spindles.
Exactly why I have a VFD in my shop, the spindle on my CNC. Great little piece of kit
VFD's can absolutely run three phase machines. They just go by the name of "inverters" which are essentially the same thing. The inverters that run large machines are usually very large with some very large IGBT's. Very common on boats which cannot exactly be hooked up to a power grid
@@williamdussault991 . Wrong. Industrial drives don't use igbts. They use SCR groups to fire the correct frequency. Silicon controlled rectifiers run faster and last longer. You only see igbts on smaller drives.
If the electronics can't run off if a VFD, how is his planer running the display, the main drive VFD, and all the other micro electronics that run the machine? That 3phase generator is nothing more than a VFD that is programmed to recreate a specific wave form of 3 phase power at a specific voltage.
@@ronniestanley75 Rotary phase converter is much different than a vfd - how it works and also from sheer size. You have a 90 pound motor being used to generate the 3rd phase with the rotary phase converter, where with a VFD the power is generally converted to DC and then using capacitors and diodes is turned into pulsed power simulating three phase AC, but not the exact same.
One of the culprits may also be that with a VFD you need to be extremely specific with output voltage, amperage, poles etc, which is readily known for a motor but not for all the electronics that rectify the power before it gets there, and may also be used to run other thing, for example the feed motor in a planer.
Why am I just now getting this alert that you uploaded!
We have quite a few Felder tools, including a d951, it’s a great planner. For us the game changer was a 4 sider!!
Fab video
It’s a really nice machine buy 2 essential items from Felder 1. extending alloy table 2. Resin remover spray for silent power
Use spray every day after work👍🏻
❤️ Another "cool tool"! I love how you thinned the board down to 1/4". Not wasteful. 😺
Lmao.. when you said pucker factor watching that come in on the forks, I'm reminded of a video clip of a guy I know at a certain meat factory where I work was moving an 80k machine lil bigger than your planer outside on a forklift to a loading dock and there was a strap hanging down and right in the middle of the parking lot it got launched right off the forks. Needless to say, I'm glad I'm in IT and had access to watching that camera footage over and over... luckily it didn't break. Lots of battle scars on a brand new machine though.
William and Kelly Mehler both have Planers - teaching at those places made me want to get one. I waited until I was 71! I should have gotten one a long time ago. My methods rely upon accuracy. You can almost use the planer to check the accuracy of your calipers.
I once see a guy run a 3/4 boar to 1/4 in only to runs I was more than impressed amazing machine
Jason probably needs to swap out the hammer drill for a rotary hammer drill :-) They are much quieter and go through through masonry like butter, and you don't get a numb hand from the noisey and irritating vibration.
Wait, you are gonna start selling lumber. As a local, I am thrilled to hear this!
We're going to try. It's a tough gig so it's just a little test.
Ah Felder. That's the dream. I want their panel saw, planer, jointer, bandsaw, everything. Might get started on their pro-sumer line Hammer, though. Something I can actually afford :)
i have the same one iv been using it for a year now its an absolute beast
Enjoy watching you channel. One small suggestion I'd like to make. You might think about taking the motor off the ground. Like you I installed mine on the floor also, but after a huge flood in my shop I built a three course cinder block platform filled with concrete to mount it on. Rebuilding all my machine motors was not fun. But I did learn a new skill rebuilding them.
Press the green start button and keep your finger on it for a moment until the motor is up to speed. That was the advice I was given by Felder for a single phase machine and the three phase F700 I purchased a couple of years ago. I did have to replace the capacitors on the single phase AD741 after a year or so of jabbing the start button.
Looks like he's not reading the comment section. That was my comment too. I have the Hammer combination machine perform C31 from Felder group. Awesome machine and I went through my capacitor also because I wasn't using the green button properly. It's a safety feature from what they told me.
From Missouri as well, lifelong resident lol. If you all are going to start selling lumber I know several people including myself would very much be interested in that. Have always worked with wood a little here and there, my grandpa was the carpenter. I just used to be the little gofer lol. But recently trying to turn a hobby and knowledge I have into more. The closest place to where I am that seems to have great more raw pieces is actually over in Anna IL. So would welcome another place to buy from to get a great canvas to work with.
Great video, beautiful machine and outstanding t-shirt, it was a excellent show. Keep up the great work.
Felder, so nice. These Austrians don't mess around. and so clean not a speck of dust
You also could've used a variable frequency drive (VFD) to run it. Jack Forsberg makes and sells them out of Canada for these applications.
I’m sure it’s fantastic. We’ve been using the Hammer A3-31 for a few years and it’s great, so I can only imagine an actual FELDER tool.
I use the dw735 and it is painfully loud. That thing is amazing
Felder makes awesome machines. Welcome to the club!
Congratulations Marc!
What a great upgrade man. Happy to see the workshop grow.
Wow. Damn. Jeez, ahhh wow. Dang. I just… beautiful.
Daaaaaaaamn!!!! That’s a big planer!!
I used to installed car spray booths for auto body shops and have 10 HP 3 phase motors one for heater and exhaust fans
I am surprised that an old firehouse doesn't already have 3 phase at the panel. I have an Oliver 299d with an Itch head there is nothing that ever tears out with it, it's an amazing machine.
Just because it's a commercial property, doesn't mean 3 phase was justified to be installed. Especially without large HVAC, there wouldn't have been anything else on site that would've benefited from the capacity/lower current draw it offers.
@@mlindholm firehouses in the past generally had fire sirens and those were run on three phase they had large motors
I used the one at William Ng’s shop too - it’s a sweet beast 😊
Congrats! Nice machine. I have a Hammer A3 by Felder for two years now with the "same" cutter head and I love it. Felder makes quality tools! Have fun and stay safe!
Felder is fine for your garage
We used several phase converters in my dad's shop. One for a table saw, one for a shaper, one for a power feeder, and one for a Bridgeport mill. None of them used an electric motor!
It is not an electric motor. It is a rotary phase converter. There are systems that do not use the rotary converter but they have limits that the rotary converter does not have.
One can purchase an electronic phase converter. They are more expensive but if the machine you're installing is very picky about the 120 degree between the phases it might be necessary. You can build a three phase rotary converter with a motor and a handful of capacitors which cause a third leg to be lagging 120 out of phase.
@@johnburger3287 what ever! Looks like an electric motor. Sorry I used the wrong terminology. My point was that we used them fine for a very long time and with different machines and it was much simpler than what was shown in the video.
even-though i had 3 phase coming in in my old house i still didn't had 400 V so used a trafo to fix that Norway runs a bit back on electricity In holland when you have three phase you always have automatic 400V so much easier. but on my job we use the same brand machine and i love it.
I think the planer is a much better choice for solving your MLC than a boat, motorcycle or sports car. 🤣😂
Amazing machine!!! That cutter head is a work of art!
I love that tool...so lucky
Strap in, wait for clearance from the tower, fast forward to 6:58 when you inevitably re-watch, and get ready for take-off!
James @clough42 just recently did several videos about Phase convertors for a small shop. Might be a really good stop for people wanting to learn more. As his explanation is quite approachable.
Awesome video been watching your videos when you first started up long long time ago congrats on your success.
Over here in the Netherlands Felder is de goto brand for professionals. I used to think your American tablesaws etc were top tier. Bummed about the sawstop being bought by Festool and therefore not possible to buy here. But then I grew up a little and realized america is actually behind. You all use the dated tablesaws planers etc. Then there is the electrical issue. OMG I'm glad we have a first world electrical system. Took me about an hour to install 3phase. A frickin motor for 3 phase!? What? Do you still have one of those American toy plugs for 3phase?
I NEVER knew this low noise level and high cut quality was even possible with a planer Marc! 🤩 However, I’m concerned you may have just spent more of my money. 😮😆
Recommend you get one of their saws and/or shapers as well. They are awesome (My shop is 100% Felder by now). ❤🎉
Oh man! Congrats on a sweet machine!
Congrats for the new toy, Marc! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
thanks man!
Is it sad I noticed the RadioShack logo?!? Oh, and awesome planer too!
Mark, can I train under you like you trained under William... because I want to use your planer
Hey Marc, sound power measurements have a 1/distance^2 from source dependence. For example: doubling the distance reduces sound level by a factor of 4 (2^2). Unless you use the same standoff distance, the sound power will not be apples to apples from source to source. Typically one meter is the reference distance. Killer planer!!! - cheers from a hobby wood/metal working physicist.
The only distance that matters to me is the distance between my head and the tool, which is the ballpark distance I employed in the video. I'd argue my measurements are more meaningful as a result. Measuring each tool at a fixed distance, while nice for spec sheets, doesn't help much if you're not actually standing in that same location when using the tool. Also, this wasn't intended to be apples to apples. For that I would have to show different types of planers all at working distance. The only point of the sound meter was to show how quiet the machine is relative to other things people are familiar with.
You may want to try Felder Supergielt fot the table. Works miricles when getting heavy lumber to pull through.
Perhaps you could do show on it and similar products. Lubication, rust protection, effect on finishes etc
John J
I love it, you've got an insanely expensive thicknesser and testing it with a radio shack db meter. Awesome.
I have one of those RS db meters from back in my audio days. Actually decent. Also a multimeter that has outlasted a much more expensive Fluke.
@@bluepeakworkworking Oh I get it, the RS stuff was good, just making fun of using a good inexpensive tool to test a good expensive tool.
@@vmoutsop No worries, lol. Just lamenting RS's better days.
@@bluepeakworkworking Yes, I miss them also
@@bluepeakworkworking Yes, I also miss them
The feeling living in a 230V country.. I've got 3-phase in my home (and garage) 😘
That must be really handy for driving your dado stack. 😏
@@HonoredMule shots fired
@@HonoredMule I know a lot of people like dado stacks, but I never saw the benefit of them over using a router. Or rather: the tradeoff always seemed like a complete wash to me, but dados are (slightly) more dangerous. Just doesn't seem worth it. But maybe that says more about me than dado stacks.
I don't use them much myself, but that's largely because my design aesthetics infrequently involve/accommodate dados, and even then they sometimes can't be through the whole work piece.
But if I do have to make a dado, I much prefer the table saw (stack or no stack), _especially_ if it's 1/2" or bigger. I find using guide rails tedious, the full-size router to be a huge hassle, and the small cordless not much better for that kind of work even when it can handle it. I _can_ get good results with router or table saw, but with a dado stack the good results are effortless, as is the repeatability. With my cheap edge guides/router slide, I also find the router falls rather short on maximum possible precision of placement.
@@HonoredMule I understand the repeatability argument. I think I just find the idea of setting up a dado stack correctly for a precise width cut extremely unappealing. And a table saw seems dangerous enough to me without turning it into a wood chipper. To each their own.
Power! Unlimited Power!!!
You’ve opened the 3 phase flood gates now with the RPC. What size is the model you have? AR20? A decent sized rotary phase converter (~10hp+) opens up so many options on machinery.
Funny, i was listening to an old Woodtalk 2014 i think and you were talking about this machine.
Oh from a William Ng visit? Haha that's awesome.
Congratulations absolutely gorgeous tool 🎉
I'm so jealous ! Are you willing to adopt a 61 year old woodworker ? Just kidding , ( maybe) ! Congratulations !
Nice toy. Enjoy! Your walnut experiment was more like when Kramer was pushing the fuel limits on his test drive.
I thought the same thing but didnt think as many people would get the reference. I actually played that scene on my phone for Jason after we did it, lol
It’s about time you got something serious to plane wood.
Back in school we did similar red neckery to make 3 phase power🙄 I’m sure the power converter is NEC approved.
Awesome stuff Marc! 😃👍🏻👊🏻
On Felder machines you have to continue to hold the green start button until the machine has come up to speed. If you don't it, it may cause premature failure.
You only have to hold the button to start Single Phase Felder machines.
@@pkwoodworking Thank you for clarifying that. My Felder bandsaw and Jointer planer are single phase. I just noticed how slow Marc's the planer came up to speed and figured it would be the same as my machines.
@@pkwoodworking Yes exactly, because of capacitors
That sound test was so infomercial like. O ya here are other tools operating and doing their jobs while I’ll only show this tool turning on and call it good.
Holy piece of Austrian beauty! Top quality stuff.
Awesome. I've been waiting 9+ months for my bandsaw. I think it was about the same for the jointer/planer combo.
If the damage is bad enough on any piece of freight you are receiving you can simply reject it. The freight carrier is legally obligated to maintain possession of it and see what the shipper wants to do.
The D actually stands for Dickenhobel :P
you look so different from what I remember from 10 years ago lol.....I don't even Wana know what people think of the way I've aged 🤣😂
@Clough42 has a very recent video (last night) explaining exactly how a phase converter works (because he, like you, has single phase in the shop and a new 3 phase tool... and content.)
By the way, the power button needs to be hold until it speed up to the maximum speed. I have the Hammer version from Felder group. It's a safety feature. If you press it once without holding, it will take a while to ramp up. Holding it is a confirmation you want it to run and it will ramp up right away. Just punching once the start button will kill your capacitors overtime. True story.
This is only when using a start capacitor for single phase. Three phase machines get rotation from the three phases and don’t need a starting capacitor.
Awesome planer!!
Ahh, you're going to be processing rough lumber for sale! That makes sense. Might as well get the aircraft carrier jointer like Marks has, too! Hey, it's a business expense write off!
You just write it off right? 😂 ruclips.net/video/aCP27_vquxQ/видео.html
Jealous. But you absolutely deserve it. Enjoy
Ok I see , you & Mike Farrington went on a little field trip & both got a case of tool envy , lol ..
In his case a shaper followed him home
You two are not allowed to play together anymore!!!
I blame him.
RadioShack decibel meter for the win 😅
Marc, You're lucky I didn't look directly at your camera, it would have cracked.
What is the advantage of 3ph power? I know about the advantage of 220V over 110V single phase but not 3ph. It is an impressive piece of equipment though. That cutter head is awesome. And it it is certainly quiet. I bet that the only thing that is less is the price though. And to say nothing of the phase converter. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.🙂🙂
I believe 3ph is just a more efficient (and smoother) format, particularly at industrial scale. There are definitely resources out there covering exactly this. At the scale of this particular tool, it's probably a design choice based on typical customer use-cases (i.e. in industrial facilities with mostly 3ph infrastructure) more than technical merit.
Capacity for power generally. You don't really get single phase motors of the size that are in that planer. 3ph motors are generally a tad more efficient too, run cooler, last almost forever if used correctly. Single phase motors have capacitors and/or centrifugal switches which eventually go bad.
3-phase power is capable getting much more power to a tool. Or, put another way, a 3-phase tool draws less current than an equivalent single phase tool. Usually, you won't see things above 5HP running single phase, but for a machine requiring a 10HP motor, 3-phase is really the only way you can get there. Another is that 3-phase motors don't require startup capacitors or other things to get the motor running, eliminating a point of failure on the motor. Also, much like going from 110v to 220v single phase, a 3-phase motor typically runs more quietly than an equivalent power single phase motor.
ZERO Snipe!?!!? Wow, I didn't know that was even a possibility in a planner!!! Has that continued to perform with no snipe?
Pretty cool!
D stands for "Dickenhobelmaschine". But i wish i could say to my foreman "Let's run this board through the DAAAAMNmachine one more time"
Some of us mere mortals will just have to be content to watch & dream
Freed from the shackles of your Powermatic bondage 😅
I can't believe that we did not mess up that
Congrats on your new toy. I think you borrowed the butt-pucker line from me.
Never heard of Felder, probably because I typically don’t research tool’s I’ll never be able to afford, or really don’t have a need for, but damn, I’d love something like this in my garage shop, especially something that will accept more than 13”. But I’m thinking a drum sander might be a better, and far cheaper tool for me right now as I hate sanding! I’m amazed at how quiet your Felder is! My planner sounds like a jet with motor issues, and for the life of me, I can’t avoid some snipe, but I guess that’s life with a lunchbox planner. Congratulations on your new toy, and I hope your business is very successful.
Check out Hammer by Felder. Much cheaper great quality. I am using A3 31. It was still difficult to justify for hobby but I wish to spend all my money that well I did on this one.