The TRAGIC Reasons Why Shogun Season 2 Will NEVER Happen....WRONG!
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0:00 - Introduction
0:18 - The Saga of Shogun
0:41 - The Singular Season Strategy
1:36 - Hurdles in Production
2:14 - Emotional Resonance and Audience Desires
3:56 - The Horizon for Shogun's Legacy
5:50 - Gaijin: A Continuation Chronicle
6:55 - The Expanding Universe of Shogun
Why Shogun Season 2 Isn't Happening: The Tragic Truth Revealed
The Heartbreaking Reasons Behind Shogun's Cancellation: No Season 2?
Shogun Fans Devastated: Uncovering the Shocking Truth About Season 2
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Hold on, Shogun fans! Before you get excited about Season 2, there's some heartbreaking news. We're uncovering the tragic reasons why Shogun might not be coming back for another season. Get ready for some behind-the-scenes truth and a shocking revelation.
In this video, we delve into the creators' vision for Shogun as a single-season adaptation, the impact of production delays due to COVID-19, and the enormous effort invested in creating a historically accurate and visually stunning series. We also explore the possibilities of adapting other James Clavell novels, such as Tai-Pan or Gai-Jin, and the potential for a Shogun: Extended Cut with deleted scenes.
Despite the uncertainty surrounding a second season, we discuss the glimmer of hope for fans craving more epic storytelling and historical drama within the "Shogun universe." Join us as we uncover the reasons behind Shogun's potential cancellation and explore the future possibilities for this beloved series.
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i don’t understand why is anyone even discussing a season 2. it s a miniseries, it s based on a book that has a definite end and the series tells the whole story in 10 episodes. that’s it. what’s wrong with this?
I think people wanted more
I started to watch movies from the cast. I think the show was great but the people behind the show probably have a lot more to offer.
when a show becomes a phenomenal hit, anything can happen. it's all about business.
to make money
Nothing needs a second season if its properly completed
If you have a good story more sequels is possible like game of thrones.
@@jonfreeman9682 I guess at least same universe / lore is a requisite in such cases, adapting a different/ not connected novel is a high risk of failure, there is some reason why other novels from the author hasn't been adapted yet. Hype shouldn't be the only reason to produce sequels, and please , GOT is the best example that you don't get results when you try to adapt material that does not even exists on the original material, just taking same characters into a new history with different quality from the original material is a recipe for failure.
It's not properly completed. It's just the beginning, so yes, second season is needed
I only wish they would have made this limited series 16 episodes long, not 10...it feels a bit too rushed. Still love it, but I think 6 more episodes would have been awesome.
The original series 1980 was only 5 episodes so they've already doubled it here but I agree it could easily expand to more episodes for deeper character development. There's alot of side characters that could use more backstory like what happened to the others sailors John Blackthorne sailed with. They all somehow died and only 6 was left. What happened to them. Also Mariko could use more backstory. Plus they could also do a few episodes on Ishida on how he rose from poverty to become a feared general.
I agree with farmgirlrebel 100%. It does feel a little rushed and I think 16 episodes would have been more satisfying. @jonfreeman I just Googled the run time of the original 1980 series, Wikipedia says the original was 12 hours but I think that includes commercials. But I am finding that the FX version is a total of 9 hours 47 minutes. So I figure they are about the same length of time. The original started with a 3-hour opener ended with a 3 hour finale and had three 2-hour episodes in between. My guess is the new version has probably 30 minutes more.
歴史上の出来事である「大阪の陣」に基づいてseason2を制作するのは可能でしょうが、Ochibaの悲劇でToranagaの性格が変わってしまうし、ブラックソーンの出番は少なくなるでしょう。
Maybe not a sequel.. but a prequel about marikos father in that time would be intetesting
A sequel is doable as the real life history has generations of samurai warfare and the continuing saga of John Blackthorne can lend to epic story arcs like game of thrones.
a prequel would be the chronicle of hideyoshi and oda nobunaga.
Producing Shogun comes with a substantial price tag. The feasibility of a follow-up season rests upon obtaining consent from the novel's proprietors.
But with the huge of this season I could imagine the may do another season 🤔
All shows cost money but if it's a hit they'll add another season. Consent isn't a bottleneck when you just throw some money their way.
The Sanadas of sengoko jidai deserve a series too.
Even though I am really Liking this Version, I think they made a huge Mistake with the Love Story Muted and missed the Opportunity for Anjin to really embrace being a Samurai, instead of him just wanting to get away from Japan and Toranaga.
Except he no longer wants to leave Japan and choose to stay. That's why he gave up on his shipmates and stayed to save Toranaga instead. This could be like that movie the last Samurai where he fully embraces Japanese life. Showrunners might change the story to give John Blackthorne and Marika a happy ending.
@@jonfreeman9682 Have you seen the Original Mini Series ? If not give it a watch, it is far Superior to this in my opinion.
A season 2 may be a detriment to an already all-time classic series. This reminds me of the series The Night Of..a classic one and done still remembered to this day
I may be incorrect but I was under the impression it was made specifically as a one off mini series event
Yes! No season 2 😔
Despite wanting more id rather have shogun go down as one of best miniseries rather than getting the memory tarnished my subpar 2nd season.
I get it. It's better to remember Shogun as a great miniseries than to have a second season that isn't as good.
Even if second season was subpar it would not have tarnished greatness of the first one
I'd be pissed if they do a season 2. I'd rather a show ends on a good note than like walking dead that went on for years - no one even knows wtf is going on.
Shogun is a book about multiple stories and characters. They can easily follow up on that
Hey don't knock TWD. It's one of the greatest shows of all time and after 11 seasons it's still got life with new spin-offs which basically is more TWD. Even GOT ran for 9 seasons so good shows can keep going. Shogun can easily run 3 seasons.
Actually, if they follow history and intertwine them like what they did with this. It might not be too bad, but the drama would not be anything close to this era. That’s why they chose this time and not others obviously.
They can do shogun 2 set two hundred years in the future. It just needs a talented writers do create new stories. Japan has rich history, eg the british and american contact with Japan.
@@boshirahmed hopefully they do saipan
UPDATE: I guess I was wrong and they decided to do a second and third season.... :O
They could continue the story of John Blackthorn character (William Adams) building Toranaga a western style fleet of ships, becoming trade ambassador, and toronaga's expulsion of the catholic church etc. but i understand they just want to do the book.
I would love to see that 😩
As long as they keep making similar shows ill be ok but man i will miss this show
Hey crazy idea, since it is based on historical events, continue baseed upon history.
Funny how non book readers think that this will have a season 2 . I read somewhere that the writer should rush a sequel lol
I don’t have a season 2 🙅🏻♂️ I would love more book adaptations
I have read Shogun 3 times, it is a shame this series differs exponentially from the book. The story line appears to have been nullified for the extravagance of cinema.
I agree, so many changes is crazy haha
more than likely it was at least in part due to the identity politics that dominates the far left today. The show runners were likely told "John Blackthorn is too central to the story and too much a competent and capable while man... we can;t have that. The far left crowd will be up in arms calling him "yet another great white savior:" Never mind that the person Blackthorn is based on actually existed, and from when he arrived in 1600 till when the 500 rifles and 19 canon he brought with him and helped use to win the shogunate... still in 1600, he helped reshape japans history in meaningful ways.
The show runners were likely afraid to buck the political far left agenda because hulu is owned by disney now...; and we know where they lay on the politcal spectrum under Bob Iger
@@Stevenav68 Take your half baked conspiracy theory to Mar-a- lago where an orange idiot might listen to it and leave politics out of your comment. I just want to enjoy reading and posting about Shogun and not politics.
There is no need to have a 2nd season. The people behind Shogun said they followed the book, which had a definitive ending. Let's just stop insisting for a 2nd season and demand that future projects at least make Shogun an inspiration on how to make great entertainment.
the creators literally said it was a one season show from the start. The book ends at the battle of sekigahara. Plus there's not a whole lot of war after this. They could do a show from the beginning of the sengoku period, but a second season of this show makes no sense at all. Kinda click baity
Not all of us are autistic and did not know all of these details
When money appears producers/ creators change minds. Season 2 makes perfect sense. You show the end of the dispute, close character's story arcs and send them off into the future
I don’t really want a season 2 because it may dilute the excellence we are witnessing in 10 episodes. The acting, cinematography and costumes make for a feast for the senses! I can’t wait to see what is going to happen at the end! 🎬
It better be a movie after
Just when i was saying finally,,i absolutely love the show and would love if they rethink there decision it's so disappointing
I'd rather get a Season 2 because if it ends up bad doesn't matter we still have Season 1 but if Season 2 is good we get another fun Season
It is better this way than doing the next Game of Thrones season 8
Yes, extended edition will be great
They should think of redoing the life of Minamoto Musashi! Toshiro Mifune did 3 great movies of his life, That could be serialized into at least 3 seasons.. Musashi's life story was extensive!
Never say never ...
👀👀 don’t play with me haha
Ok then why did it feel like a cliff hanger
Two more episodes until the finale
My only complaint about the show is they could have stretched out that novel to two seasons.
For example, Pilot going from barbaric to zen and eventually rejecting is former way of life was an internal struggle that could have been explored more. I think the show spent a total of three or four minutes covering it.
So many changes working on that video now.
Or, they were told no or were offered a budget that was not inline with what they wanted to do.
Mmm 🤔 yeah also that
FX already confirmed there's no Intention to do a Second Season of Shogun Seriea
😭😭 sad
when is the battle of sekigahara?
They're building up to it.
both factiins start to mobilize army and ally right after taiko's dead. 2 years later the battle take place.
This is special to me.I watched the original series as a kid with my Mum.She passed away just a couple of years later when i was twelve.Very special.
Hey Shaun, thanks for your comment and for sharing part of your life. Those are things that have no price and we remember for ever. I'm glad you're enjoying this one. Many blessings.
@@BEYONDPREMIERE Thank you so much!😁🙏👍
a second season would be distatrous just like game of thrones
I agree, thanks for your comment
Do a prequel with Yabushige and Buntaro.
That would be so cool to see :/
battle of sekigahara in ep10?
100%
King rat and Noble House are great books by Clavell.😊
all of them are but King rat, will be incredible in a WW2 setting
I feel that they have glossed over a lot and could have doubled the length of the run.
They could have done 2 seasons 16 episodes 🤔😔
short version ... LIMITED SERIES
Good stories need to end with a meaning. No need to extend to make money for the producers. Stories needs an end. And shogun is perfect. A end what we deserve. Unlike so many others. The main which comes to my mind for corporate greed is supernatural. Should have eneded by season 5
Walking dead is the worst offender. Vikings did well going on for a while
Thought S1 was the first half of the book
A prequel would be a much better option. After Tokugawa (Toranaga) takes the helm, Japan will go into an isolation era. During that period there were no wars, just to see how the Tokugawa clan kept their lineage within their bloodline for several centuries by enforcing strict laws. Boring, so to speak. Instead what leads up to Blackthorne's arrival (late 1800s) would be a much more interesting option. A rise and fall of Oda Nobunaga, Mariiko's father's betrayal, a black servant of Catholic church turned a samurai serving Nobunaga... historical elements are all there. It may be a same-ole story that Japanese audience may be tired of, but the rest of world would surely enjoy it.
They could easily done 2-3 seasons :/
I loved the series but I am not satisfied.. this end is too open for me. What about Toronaga?? And will Ochiba do a treaty with Toronaga? What about the Portuguese and Ishido?! Will the other lords turn against him? Will they kill Ochiba and the heir eventually?!
Too many questions if you ask me. What a waste
Both the 1975 novel and 1980 tv mini-series reveal in an epilogue where Toranaga fought against Ishido in the Battle of Sekigahara and defeated him by noon. Ishido is caught alive and in order to "fulfill" the prophecy of Ishido dying a very old man with his feet firmly in the ground Toranaga has him buried neck deep in the ground in Edo. Passers by were asked to saw "the most expensive neck" in Japan with a blunt bamboo saw. Ishido endured for three days and "died a very old man".
After winning the battle of Sekigahara the Emperor of Japan (barely mentioned in the 2024 adaptation) proposes the title of Shogun to Toranaga which he "reluctantly" (fake modesty as it was his intention as well as belief that's what fate had in mind for him) accepts. So Toranaga reigns supreme and becomes Shogun. Nothing more to tell about him.
Spoilers ahead: In the 1980 tv mini-series the Portuguese are a lot more hateful and scared of the "Englishman" and want him killed at any cost before he causes them more trouble than they can handle. At a personal stand-off captain Ferreira attempts to kill Blackthorne himself by cursing him to hell and pulling his pistol on him. Anjin's loyal samurai shoot their arrows at Captain Ferreira killing him. Since he was the captain of the black ship Father Bell'aqua instead grants Vasco Rodrigues (a far larger part in the original tv-series while barely in the 2024 series) the title as captain of the Black Ship. Blackthorn gives him due respect and seems genuinely glad his "friend" has gained this great honor but also warns him he will "soon come after him with the Erasmus". Rodriguez then surprises everybody (the audience in particular) by saying:"With *what ship* Englishman? The Erasmus is dead. It caught fire and nothing is left of her." Blackthorn refuses to believe it but Father Bell'aqua says:"No, he's telling the truth. Erasmus is gone."
Blackthorne is furious and tells Vasco Rodrigues:"May the storms wreck you and take you to hell!" to which Rodriguez laughs and then calmly replies:"Perhaps *they will* Englishman... *but you are forever stuck here, beached and with no way to get home.* " There is a final tone in that.
So as far as the Portuguese are concerned Vasco Rodrigues is the new captain of the Black Ship and Blackthorne seized to be a threat when the Erasmus burned down. For what can Blackthorne do to the Portuguese without a ship to attack them with? Nothing. He's a neutralized threat to them and stuck in Japan.
Neither the fates of Captain Ferreira, Vasco Rodrigues and the Black Ship, which Blackthorn wants to attack and raid at any cost, is resolved in the 2024 version. Real pity.
John Blackthorn being building a new ship called The Lady from money Mariko left to him in her final will. Spoilers ahead: The 1980 series ends with a shot of Blackthorn building his new ship while Toranaga watches him and ponders burning down this ship as well thinking that fate brought Blackthorn to Japan and it's also Blackthorn's fate never to leave Japan.
Both the 1975 novel and 1980 tv mini-series concludes the story nicely:
1. Toranaga wins the Battle of Sekigahara.
2. Ishido is caught alive and dies painfully buried neck deep into the ground for three days.
3. The Emperor of Japan makes Toranaga Shogun. Supreme commander/warlord of all Japan.
4. Captain Ferreira is killed, Vasco Rodrigues becomes captain of the Black Ship and Blackthorn can't do anything about it because the Erasmus burned down.
5. It is heavily implied Blackthorn will never leave Japan.
As to what happens after that... read the real history. James Clavell based his novel on real characters in Feudal Era Japan. He just changed the names. Toranaga was really called Tokugawa Iaesu. And the real English pilot William Adams was the inspiration for John Blackthorn. Wiki what their fates were.
Sekigahara ends sengoku jidai. Sure there are some events in 1614-1615 like Sanada's last stand etc but the really big events ends with Sekigahara.
So naturally the show ends here. It would be nice if someone would do the tv series about Sengoku Jidai as it had a lot of interesting personalities at that time not just Tokugawa. Hideyoshi or Nobunaga.
I would love to see more of it 😩 thanks for your comment
I really wish they would also speak Spanish and Portuguese..
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I thought that ending was weak as hell. If this is really all there is, I feel cheated. They have to make season 2. Otherwise, they may well have just put a big middle finger on screen at the end.
To be honest, I don't feel I fully understand all the characters and their motives yet. It's all superficial.
It reminds me of Sekiro's story, it's nice but you don't have to fully understand everything.
This style is not my cup of tea, but I don't mind it.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, yeah they just leave to us to interpret the words they use 🤔
You should quit while you ahead
If you go on ahead and turn out to suck , people always remember your failure than your success
Thanks for your feedback but I’m not going to stop because you say so my friend your comment motivates me to continue and grow. Learn from your mistakes. Your mindset is the most important thing. Your life is created in the words you use.
@@BEYONDPREMIERE you do know I am talking about the show not to have another season not talking about you
You do what you want to do forget about other people think or saying
Hey millennials - how about a sequel to Citizen Kane ! Great idea right ?! Or maybe a sequel to 12 Angry Men ? Give the people what they want, right ?!!
😂😂
They could have stretched this out. A few episodes worth of time could have been spent with images of Blackthorn learning Japanese which was the best part of the 1980s version. They could have stretched out the episodes by having a romance between Blackthorn and Mariko. I know they wanted to distinguish between the 1980 version but the target audience wouldn't have ever seen that. Why they didn't focus on Blackthorn was a huge mistake. His influence and reason for being there ended after he informed Toranaga about the Portuguese. They wasted his character. In fact, Toranaga stated Blackthorn was simple minded which I don't believe anyone who would jump on a ship and steer for an unknown country and actually find it could be simple minded. And what happened to Rodriguez? They got the wrong guy playing Rodriguez too....terrible casting and under utilized. The series was good at first but it has been a disappointment since.
Not focusing on blackthorne was the best choice. About time they focused more on the native people than the foreigner
You’re too hung up on the old show and the novel mate, move on, unlike back then, no one really wants to see the smaller details, and like how modern film is, is more straight to the point, but this show still brilliantly has so many accurate , and beautiful details.
@@jmgonzales7701 I agree! The show is called "Shogun", not a "White guy stuck in Japan" or the "Last Samurai 2.0". Focusing on the Japanese point of view was the best thing they could have done for the show.
@@jmgonzales7701 Then what is the point of the character? Why not tell the story and leave him out? They didn't develop the Blackthorn character properly because the show was supposed to be from the Japanese perspective. He wasn't necessary.
@@wizzfizz6800 A piece of advice, when you don't know something about a topic, keep your ill informed mouth shut or you'll confirm your lack of knowledge about it The novel was not just something you "move on" from, it was the source material that the current show draws from. You saying move on is the same bs argument that LotR the rings of power tries to pull as justification for fucking up the source material. The fact that every tolkien fan hates that show should be an abject lesson about how you don;t fuck with successful source material. Shogun the novel is whats called an ensemble piece. I get what you are AFRAID of, that Blackthorn will come off as a "white savior" if they show him as competent and a heroic character in his own right, but maybe that's just because you;re ignorant. This is not at all what happens in the book, and if you'd read the book you'd know that. The novel gave everyone more or less equal time. Toranaga developed a friendship with Blackthorn which parallels the real world person that Blackthorn was based on William Adams. Look it up. William Adams better known in Japan as Miura Anjin (三浦按針, 'the pilot of Miura') was a vital person in the Tokugawa Shogunate. Given a historical person his rightful due is nothing to be ashamed of, especially when it is historically accurate and the japanese themselves recognize his contribution to their history.
easy because this is based on a book, and the only book from that period of the series
I wanted to see some Mortal Kombat type of action :(
Same here :/
They said it's a limited series like the original Shogun back in 1980 but the good thing The Shogun is a book series with multiple books about other Japanese fictional historical characters and events so hopefully they can make more shows from this books
Would love to see their take on other book 😔
@@BEYONDPREMIERE I feel they will Shogun is a hit and if they put this much detail & great storytelling into the other books storylines like how they did w/ Shogun this could be a whole new era of amazing TV
ummm no that;s not right. Shogun is a single book. The end of that book is the end of our time with those characters. The other books in the series are all in different times, taipan for example, the next book, is set in the 19th century I believe. Blackthorn and toranaga are never written about again by the author after the events of shogun wrap up. I won't spoil you as to what happens, but a lot of the characters realistically simply cannot be heard from again. Also, just so you know, Blackthorn is actually based on a real person as is Toranaga... All you need to know there is that Toranaga and Tokugawa sound very similar for a very good reason, and the next era, the Tokugawa Shogunate lasts for a very very long time indeed.
Well they can always tell more stories even going beyond the books because the real life Japan civil war and John Blackthorne goes on after Shogun. There's many more battles and stories to tell. As long as fans love it then can keep adding more seasons.
@@Stevenav68STFU Steven there more books in the series going through the different time lines & new Characters your introduction to this series is this show not the original back in 1980 keep your stupid comments to yourself
The book ends at sea1
Yeah, the intro theme graphics are the sea so maybe. It started with the sea.
They should have had 12-14 eps at the rate it developed things. The book had a much more developed relationship between blackthorn and mariko. In truth, right now there is literally no chemistry between the two characters in this rendition, in the book there was genuine love, humor, and respect between the two and blackthorn was a worthy and loyal friend to toranaga and a valient character where in the tv series he's simply not. If anything, in this series Blackthorn is a cowardly and inept shell of the book character. Toranaga in the book is a deep, interesting, and even comedic character who is full of humor as well as full of plotting and great cunning. I've been rather disappointed in some of the choices made here because it feels like they are worried that making Blackthorn even a little heroic or capable would have the wrath of the woke mob come down on them for blackthorn being a white savior. The truth is, Blackthorn should be a heroic character, he was known as one of the best pilots in the world from the reaction of characters in the book, he is tremendously brave, he led a fleet of 5 ships from Portsmouth to Japan with an acquired rudder. He has forethought enough to ration his fruit to stave off scurvy, and he ultimately served Toranaga bravenly and loyally throughout and gave him plans to use his ship and skills to build a japanese deep sea fleet *blackthorn didn't just pilot ships, he was also a skilled shipbuilder and was able to build deep sea vessles from scratch. The kind of adventurous life he led was heroic. Do him his due. Mariko was also tremendously brave, but she was also not an ice b**** like she is in this show. She and blackthorn developed a deep bond full of both serious moments and very light hearted ones. At the end she did her duty to Toranaga, but she was also a real person who also could fall in love and show that love to her precious person. In this version she's just too cold. In the 1980s shogun its clear that Mariko loved blackthorn and almost made up with her husband following the chanoyu ceremony. So many missed opportunities in this series that the 1980s version took. They need to add 2 to 4 more episodes to fix just a part of what they missed.
There is no 2nd book, so there is no second series.
Maybe 🤔 adapt the next book in the saga?
No need for 2nd season lol, the battle of Sekigahara will be the end of it nothing more
Never go beyond a book.
GoT season 8. The Hobbit.
Just sayin'.
Thanks for the comment
Or they can make a show about the Sengoku period!
So many possibilities
We called it a MINI SERIES. Don't ur generation know anything?
Why the hostility my friend? 🤔 there’s a lot of comment in my videos asking for season 2 updates, these are people that don’t know…. Remember there’s an audience like you who knows everything about a mini series but others don’t…. Please be more kind.
@@BEYONDPREMIERE I'll try......if u can try to be less sensitive.
@@user-ht6dg4uv1xyou must suck to know in real life lmfao grow up ya bot
Lets face it Shogun 2024 is a 3rd rate adaptation compared to the 1980's mini-series
Really? 😦
@@BEYONDPREMIERE Yes, I grant you that the remake has good scenery & costumes but of the 3 main characters only Toranaga comes off as believable in the part he plays as a ruthless warlord. Mariko & Blackthorne are played by woody and unconvincing minor TV soap program actors who are playing roles way out of their leagues.
I wanna see a spin-off series of Blackthorne's men
Yawn
Wake up wake up 👀
Way to leave on a cliffhanger... i disagree i think it needs a season 2.
Just make a new narrative, show me the final showdown !
because first season was garbage