Federico, I agree with your assessment on the 5 things, except for the explanation of the fifth thing. It is not the Credit card fraud that is scaring people from buying from "exotic unusual" countries, but it is more to do with distrust on the watches authenticity, overall feeling of the market. It is not only western europeans or americans who think that, in fact, people from those unusual countries themselves will trust a common country more and prefer to buy from there. Like I do. Like most people will do. Credit card fraud, I think, is more developed in the US, more than in most exotic countries. In my bank's list, for example, the US is in the very bad category in credit card fraud.
That's why I avoid buying pre-owned watches and prefer buying it in official watch boutiques. I live in one of those "exotic countries". You're right, the issue here isn't about credit card fraud, but more for the watch's authenticity.
I've got a titanium spring drive (GS, of course), and you know what kills its value? When the watch runs one to two minutes fast each day and there's almost nobody who can work on it. Beautiful watch, love the smooth second hand. I'd like to dump it at some point (it's my daily watch, so it has some wear). I'd bet it's not worth 1/3rd of retail with light scuffing and fast running. If a grand seiko isn't accurate, it's pretty much lost its entire bragging point.
It’s an exotic watch, so no surprise that an independent can’t work on it. Simply send it to Seiko. Well done on buying one by the way, they’re horologically far more interesting and better finished than most of luxury Swiss stuff.
It's funny, I'm in Bangkok which is fake watch central, but the concentration of Patek boutiques, Rolex boutiques, not to mention ADs, is insane. Much higher than basically any city in Western countries. People here have $$$
@@davenolan5709 agriculture, manufacturing, food processing, and land ownership (malls, residential construction) are where most of the richest families concentrate. Lots of "mafia" money in tourism too (taxis, speedboats, docks, etc)
@@7Keninho Thailand is safe in my experience. I wear a Rolex basically every day and no one even notices. Fewer robberies than the US, fewer pickpockets than western Europe.
I have an unpolished Zenith Daytona, yes it has scratches, it has been enjoyed.. would that make it a unicorn? would it have a different value? I am the original owner.
A true watch collector has no interest in the value after the watch has been purchased but the beauty of the piece, you are merely taking care of it for the next owner
Dear Federico, Many thanks for taking time to post these tips and not (like many others) merely assume everyone knows the basics - it's good to be reminded of them every now and then, especially the point about photographing a watch on the timegrapher and including this image in any 'for sale' details! Best regards from Oxford, UK.
@Thimble the only Rolex I would like to have is Sky Dweller. As a frequent traveler business and casual it's perfect. Tho I'm not there yet to spill 17K+ for a watch))
andrewstohr some people like to cycle through watches so they can enjoy a variety of them without owning many all at once. This isn’t necessarily investing but is a bit easier when you can resell a watch quickly and for a decent price.
Yeah that is true, I saw a Omega on chrono24 that had a great price on it. It was located in Ukraine so I found the seller on the internet. I asked my friends Ukrainian wife to call them and make them an offer outside of chrono24. My friend's wife laughed at me she said she wouldn't pay $5 for a watch from Odessa. She asked me if I had bumped my head. She said I'm absolutely crazy if I want to buy anything from there. And I guess that's why the price was right. But she scared me off
Ha Fed my Tudor 7019/3 Blue dial is completely untouched! But you're right there is very few unpolished watches and collectors need not expect pre owned watches to be untouched perfect examples.
I’m the original owner of a day-date and two tone bluesy (eighties) never polished and in perfect unblemished safe queen condition. After watching this I’m thinking it’s time to sell. How much do Unicorns go for now a days? Great tips to always keep in mind. Ciao.
Steve Ottavaino One unicorn is equal to 50 grams of Unobtanium, or 20th place on the wait list for an Oyster Batman, which of course will be gone by the time your name comes up.
A lot of it may be just doing the opposite as you mentioned in the video but it would be cool to have a video on 5 ways to increase the value of the watch, like having it serviced, extract, etc.
Spot on Federico, great points specially on the POLISHING and also those great deals in Argentina and India watches, also a lot of fake vintage chronograph in S. California are fakes.
I always learn something from your videos, thank you. And I appreciate that they are never over-long. I have always been reluctant to polish my watch, but now I know to just not do it too often. Thanks again!
Shine Alight Watches in real life often differ from their pictures. Therefore, the “inspection” argument may not always be valid, as one may still get scammed. Papers are the best way to ensure authenticity. And it’s easier to get your watches insured, if you have the papers.
Shine Alight IMO, a part of choosing the right seller is to see what they are offering to prove the authenticity of the watch, and papers are the best in this case, but that’s just my opinion 😂
Enjoyed and great advice. Who in the hell is going to spend $600 plus for service on a $3k piece (Omega MOTM, R DJust 16013) to make it more appealing to a buyer. If it's a nice piece and everything else is legit, they have to pay the top going price. As to a seller's locale, even a US area code in the Hood can make a buyer leary.
Solid advice, Fed. Normally whenever I buy an expensive wristwatch, I always make it a ritual to set fire to the box and papers, overpolish and spray paint the case, regulate the movement in a dusty room, DIY drill lug holes, and put CZ stones on the dial. Thanks to your video, however, I now know that I must change my sinful ways.
When buying a new watch for a certain type of quality a refinish is usually the end of it, even if done at the manufacturers themselfs sometimes. Just avoid dents by any means or have it professionally rewelded and refinished if allready happened. For vintage its a harder story, but aside of Rolex there hasnt been such a heist of reworking in vintage watches in general in my eyes. Depending on the name brand, big player watches just usually seen a refinish by higher chance.
Federico, I enjoyed your videos, however, can you please clarify what is meant by papers (is it sales receipt, warranty booklet, warranty card)? Also if a seller does not have this documentation approximately what percentage less is the watch worth in your opinion? Thanks for your time and consideration.
watchman Answer: The original manufacturer’s Certificate of Authentity/Chronometer Certification. It doesn’t hurt to keep all the instructional booklets and hang tags as well.
Did you mention to avoid buying especially Rolex from countries like...hmmm... ITALIA..for example?! For parts swapping i.e. Rolex bezels for instance? What do you think about that Signore Federico😉?
I agree with you. Italy is definitely not a great place to source watches (unless you are looking for rare vintage pieces and you know what you are doing).
@@FedericoTalksWatches Respect! I am from none of the mentioned countries in your vid, however I just immediately felt it's unfair to shame solely those far east far south countries, which is probably kind of agreed on by most piece of information, without mentioning the Western European Italy, together with some other horologically much less significant countries on the Mediterranean, and the main risk when it comes to purchase a pre-owned or a vintage luxury watches. Apologies if I tried to be a bit salty in a positive way, I hope, on you. But far from that I like your content and respect your honesty. CIAO!
All parts of a watch can be polished? In a yacht master for example the platinum bessel or the shiny part of braselet can be easily polished if it takes a scratch?
123ILoveOpium On older Rolex watches, “papers” was a paper Certificate from Rolex that had the AD and original owner’s name on it. That was replaced by a warranty card with the same info. I recently spilled water on my original papers, luckily it dried and no real damage was done.
Not just the warranty card... If it's an Omega you 'll probably want the Pictogram Card (specific to the watch model) and you'll DEFINITELY want the Chronometer Certificate Card (specific to the actual movement in that numbered case.)
I think people should not bust down with diamonds the case and bracelet of their expensive watches. Puting diamonds on a removable bezel that can be replace is ok but not the whole watch. People should not put black PVD on their watches and engrave their watches with art. those things will cause your luxury watches to lose value.
I mine original watches from estate dealers and they are never polished. Sometimes a little beaten up of course. But yes, there are countries that I will not buy from due to the numbers of fakes and Frankens being sold.
Federico I have a 16570 with two chips on the edge of the crystal. I’m about to have it serviced and was considering having the crysta replaced. Value wise Is it better to keep an original chip crystal or replaced it with an authentic Rolex?
So long as you replace it with period-correct crystal you're good. What I mean is different models could've used different types throughout the years. Some older models would've used Hesalite or a type of plexiglass. So if you own a vintage piece, check if it is sapphire or plexiglass. Also, with Rolex sapphires, newer crystals will have rolex inscription on the crystal. So you also might want to know that. But if you already know all this, then it is easy to tell your AD. Unless you go straight to a Rolex repair centre, they will know which crystal to use. Also, if you can get the replaced crystal back, that would be awesome, at least if you decide to move the watch, you will still have all the original parts. Harder to do nowadays as most Rolex shops wont return repaired or replaced parts for fear of imitation and frankenwatches on the second-hand market.
Normally papers will contain the watch/reference number. If your soft copy contains this then it softens the blow of not having the real deal. Better with something than not at all. But if I am buying, I'd ask, why would hou have a scanned copy and not the original? Scanned copies can be forged easily than the real paper.
how strange your comments, In Colombia where I live you can fin Rolex Patek and any major manufacturer boutiques in almost every city, and many of them in cities like Bogota, MEDELLIN, CALI ETC ETC
True, but if you mark a milestone, you might want to keep that watch really forever, right. Also, Rolex replaces casebacks for just 135 dollar. So if you find a engraved bargain, I would buy it. You can even polish most engravings out.
@@jennyp.4603 Agreed. Estate watches and gift watches from failed relationships come to mind. I will have no problems buying those as I also buy the stories that come with the piece. I might even keep the piece if the story behind the engraving is really special. Like if it was work during a war or worn by an important people. :)
Good points!! Living in Peru makes me know a lot of problems with purchaes and credit cards. However it would be useful to have videos pf usual places where watches are robbed...many cases of people being killed to rob their watches worldwide.🤔🤨
This is part of the reason I prefer brands that only another watch guy would recognise. I have no desire to be ostentatious and much prefer to fly under the radar.
Very few fakes even high-end ‘replicas’ stand up to scrutiny with a loupe. Besides, all paperwork can also be faked, if you are around luxury watches for any length of time, instinct and feel usually tells you very quickly when a watch just isn’t right.
If there are people out there paying 25% to 30% more for pre-owned watches with box and papers, I have a couple of bridges in NY they may be interested in buying as well.
This video answers a question I never knew I wanted to ask: Would I ever consider a Richard Mille? The answer is NO! That watch is huge and hideous! Not something that I would gather from looking at pictures, though...I cant afford it anyways. "I got 99 problems and Richard Mille aint one"
Just viewing 1st time, thank you & damn if your recent Patek situation didn't take place right here (U S) the basta®ds😑 Wishing you all the best on recovery efforts.
If you care about your watches value, then first off I'd say stick to these three brands: 'Patek Philippe, Rolex, Audemars Piguet'. They are all hot as shit and they have been for a very long time. When people think 'amazing expensive watch' they think 'Rolex' and when they think 'what's better than Rolex?' they think 'AP and PP'. There's also F.P Journe, Richard Mille and Lange if you want something ultra-high end but under the radar, though you will have a lot more trouble selling those kinds of pieces then the afore-mentioned trio. You also need to keep in mind that you should be buying flagship models, not dogs. For AP it's the Royal Oak variants, for PP it's the Nautilus, Aquanaut, Calatrava, 5905 and a few others... (buying Patek offers a lot of variety but you need to know what's hot and what's not), and for Rolex it's the Submariner, GMT and Daytona. (the Milgauss, Explorer I & II, Air King, Datejust and President are also reasonable investments, but less desirable and you need to be careful not to overpay). Finally, there are some variants of flagship models from other brands that can also retain value pretty well, but they are less certain. An Omega Speedmaster MOTM will sell pretty quickly as will a reasonably priced JLC Reverso. You just have to be aware of what people want, but when it comes to other brands these ultra-desirable models are much harder to come by.
Hong Kong has one of the biggest rolex market though. It's one of the only few places in the world you can find gmt master ii for sale at ADs (albeit at scalpers markups)
@@FedericoTalksWatches I'm from Poland, which is home to many watch-collectors that sell their watches also abroad. I've never heard them reporting to have any problems with the buyers suspecting them of frauds...
Ksawery Tyzo every single 3rd world country can be shady. Poland... meh, I would go to an ad here. Anyway the point is not about watches being fake, but harder to sell. I buy only in Europe cause if not you need to ad 20%, go to the custom service if there is any problem... it’s a pain. And for the people you are talking about, the key word is abroad. If it’s abroad, you probably are either a local or a wealthy tourist. No reason to suspect from you. And they probably sold it to either a shop or a watch connaisseur, and both of them probably know their shit. Also, vintage watches are wayyyy less counterfeit and expensive too.
Lots of people have no issue doing business with people in certain countries (I do not personally), but many prefer not to because of stereotypes and sometimes, legitimate security reasons.
Unfortunately it means it will be harder for you to sell it, if the watch is shipping from Poland. Not saying it is impossible, just that it won't be nearly as easy.
Piotr I would not take it personally. I am only talking from my experience. Your watch is no worse than mine, but it will be harder to sell the watch from Poland than from the US. It is what it is.
@@FedericoTalksWatches well, stereotypes are usually not fair. In this part of the world all what comes from US is kown as low quality products. Anyway I love your vids just dont agree with this point. Takie care.
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I've owned an Omega Speedmaster 3511.80 since 1994. Bought it brand new, It's never been polished. Kept it clean of course. Looks great!!!
Federico, I agree with your assessment on the 5 things, except for the explanation of the fifth thing. It is not the Credit card fraud that is scaring people from buying from "exotic unusual" countries, but it is more to do with distrust on the watches authenticity, overall feeling of the market. It is not only western europeans or americans who think that, in fact, people from those unusual countries themselves will trust a common country more and prefer to buy from there. Like I do. Like most people will do. Credit card fraud, I think, is more developed in the US, more than in most exotic countries. In my bank's list, for example, the US is in the very bad category in credit card fraud.
That's why I avoid buying pre-owned watches and prefer buying it in official watch boutiques. I live in one of those "exotic countries". You're right, the issue here isn't about credit card fraud, but more for the watch's authenticity.
I've got a titanium spring drive (GS, of course), and you know what kills its value? When the watch runs one to two minutes fast each day and there's almost nobody who can work on it.
Beautiful watch, love the smooth second hand. I'd like to dump it at some point (it's my daily watch, so it has some wear). I'd bet it's not worth 1/3rd of retail with light scuffing and fast running. If a grand seiko isn't accurate, it's pretty much lost its entire bragging point.
Just buy Swiss next time
It’s an exotic watch, so no surprise that an independent can’t work on it. Simply send it to Seiko. Well done on buying one by the way, they’re horologically far more interesting and better finished than most of luxury Swiss stuff.
It's funny, I'm in Bangkok which is fake watch central, but the concentration of Patek boutiques, Rolex boutiques, not to mention ADs, is insane.
Much higher than basically any city in Western countries.
People here have $$$
I've noticed that. Do you think it's safe to wear luxury watches in Thailand? Or getting through Thai customs from the US?
Quentinho King of course not!
@@davenolan5709 agriculture, manufacturing, food processing, and land ownership (malls, residential construction) are where most of the richest families concentrate.
Lots of "mafia" money in tourism too (taxis, speedboats, docks, etc)
@@7Keninho Thailand is safe in my experience. I wear a Rolex basically every day and no one even notices.
Fewer robberies than the US, fewer pickpockets than western Europe.
I’m from Singapore so I’m not sure if it’s true here. Hahaha.. Definitely safer here than any parts of the US or Western Europe for sure.
I have an unpolished Zenith Daytona, yes it has scratches, it has been enjoyed.. would that make it a unicorn? would it have a different value? I am the original owner.
A true watch collector has no interest in the value after the watch has been purchased but the beauty of the piece, you are merely taking care of it for the next owner
Dear Federico, Many thanks for taking time to post these tips and not (like many others) merely assume everyone knows the basics - it's good to be reminded of them every now and then, especially the point about photographing a watch on the timegrapher and including this image in any 'for sale' details! Best regards from Oxford, UK.
all my watches are never to be sold, so can do whatever I want. easy.
Same. What's the point of not enjoying something you own
@@andrewstohr I prefer investing in something I don't care about, like real estate and stock market. watches I buy for myself.
@Thimble the only Rolex I would like to have is Sky Dweller. As a frequent traveler business and casual it's perfect. Tho I'm not there yet to spill 17K+ for a watch))
andrewstohr some people like to cycle through watches so they can enjoy a variety of them without owning many all at once. This isn’t necessarily investing but is a bit easier when you can resell a watch quickly and for a decent price.
Yeah that is true, I saw a Omega on chrono24 that had a great price on it. It was located in Ukraine so I found the seller on the internet. I asked my friends Ukrainian wife to call them and make them an offer outside of chrono24. My friend's wife laughed at me she said she wouldn't pay $5 for a watch from Odessa. She asked me if I had bumped my head. She said I'm absolutely crazy if I want to buy anything from there. And I guess that's why the price was right. But she scared me off
@@boris7540 Baltic region was for me not a risk. I bought a Dark Side Of The Moon from an AD for a great price. Happy with the deal.
Ha Fed my Tudor 7019/3 Blue dial is completely untouched! But you're right there is very few unpolished watches and collectors need not expect pre owned watches to be untouched perfect examples.
I’m the original owner of a day-date and two tone bluesy (eighties) never polished and in perfect unblemished safe queen condition. After watching this I’m thinking it’s time to sell. How much do Unicorns go for now a days? Great tips to always keep in mind. Ciao.
Steve Ottavaino One unicorn is equal to 50 grams of Unobtanium, or 20th place on the wait list for an Oyster Batman, which of course will be gone by the time your name comes up.
Chi-Town California right on point brother!! Perfect synopsis... Cheers.
Steve Ottavaino You can buy new Rolexes now, you can’t buy those in that condition again. Keep yours, IMO.
A lot of it may be just doing the opposite as you mentioned in the video but it would be cool to have a video on 5 ways to increase the value of the watch, like having it serviced, extract, etc.
Spot on Federico, great points specially on the POLISHING and also those great deals in Argentina and India watches, also a lot of fake vintage chronograph in S. California are fakes.
I always learn something from your videos, thank you. And I appreciate that they are never over-long. I have always been reluctant to polish my watch, but now I know to just not do it too often. Thanks again!
Is the Seiko SRPB43 or SARB065 good watches? They are both part of the “Cocktail” line
I know a lot of watches that never been polished, especially if they are chrome plated (that is probably true to gold plated as well)
That Richard Mille is huge! I kind of lose perspective with pics looking all the same
Er.... in Hong Kong, it looks like every 3rd shop is a watch boutique
That’s why a love brushed or blasted watches. I don’t really like glossy
Thanks for mentioning the polish interval... my jeweler mentioned polishing after I own my watch for only 1 1/2 years or so.
If you buy a Rolex watch without papers, what should be the percentage discount compare to a Rolex watch with papers in a similar condition?
I want to know the answer also
He said 25-30%
Shine Alight A freaking sheet of paper, that confirms the watch’s legitimacy*
Shine Alight Watches in real life often differ from their pictures. Therefore, the “inspection” argument may not always be valid, as one may still get scammed. Papers are the best way to ensure authenticity. And it’s easier to get your watches insured, if you have the papers.
Shine Alight IMO, a part of choosing the right seller is to see what they are offering to prove the authenticity of the watch, and papers are the best in this case, but that’s just my opinion 😂
Enjoyed and great advice. Who in the hell is going to spend $600 plus for service on a $3k piece (Omega MOTM, R DJust 16013) to make it more appealing to a buyer. If it's a nice piece and everything else is legit, they have to pay the top going price. As to a seller's locale, even a US area code in the Hood can make a buyer leary.
Love what you do brother! Big hello from Canada. You have a new fan and subscriber right here.
Solid advice, Fed. Normally whenever I buy an expensive wristwatch, I always make it a ritual to set fire to the box and papers, overpolish and spray paint the case, regulate the movement in a dusty room, DIY drill lug holes, and put CZ stones on the dial. Thanks to your video, however, I now know that I must change my sinful ways.
Chi-Town California You’re so cool.
Eric Leser Nothing cooler than torpedoing resale value. 😎
bahahaha
When buying a new watch for a certain type of quality a refinish is usually the end of it, even if done at the manufacturers themselfs sometimes. Just avoid dents by any means or have it professionally rewelded and refinished if allready happened.
For vintage its a harder story, but aside of Rolex there hasnt been such a heist of reworking in vintage watches in general in my eyes. Depending on the name brand, big player watches just usually seen a refinish by higher chance.
Federico, I enjoyed your videos, however, can you please clarify what is meant by papers (is it sales receipt, warranty booklet, warranty card)? Also if a seller does not have this documentation approximately what percentage less is the watch worth in your opinion? Thanks for your time and consideration.
watchman Answer: The original manufacturer’s Certificate of Authentity/Chronometer Certification. It doesn’t hurt to keep all the instructional booklets and hang tags as well.
Did you mention to avoid buying especially Rolex from countries like...hmmm... ITALIA..for example?! For parts swapping i.e. Rolex bezels for instance? What do you think about that Signore Federico😉?
I agree with you. Italy is definitely not a great place to source watches (unless you are looking for rare vintage pieces and you know what you are doing).
@@FedericoTalksWatches Respect! I am from none of the mentioned countries in your vid, however I just immediately felt it's unfair to shame solely those far east far south countries, which is probably kind of agreed on by most piece of information, without mentioning the Western European Italy, together with some other horologically much less significant countries on the Mediterranean, and the main risk when it comes to purchase a pre-owned or a vintage luxury watches. Apologies if I tried to be a bit salty in a positive way, I hope, on you. But far from that I like your content and respect your honesty. CIAO!
oooh, savage!
Federico At what price range would you start have time checked by shop?
I would think engraving would also kill the resale value.
Good advice Fed. You should do a video about the best watch straps for large wrists. I have 8 in wrists and finding straps that fit is a bitch.
Given PayPal protection would you say that South America could have great bargains worth taking a punt on given they have to price low due to issues?
All parts of a watch can be polished? In a yacht master for example the platinum bessel or the shiny part of braselet can be easily polished if it takes a scratch?
By paper do people usually just refer to the warranty cards? Or that would include the manuals etc?
Warranty card.
All the rest is very easily replaceable and it's not tied to the watch, like the box.
123ILoveOpium On older Rolex watches, “papers” was a paper Certificate from Rolex that had the AD and original owner’s name on it. That was replaced by a warranty card with the same info. I recently spilled water on my original papers, luckily it dried and no real damage was done.
Not just the warranty card... If it's an Omega you 'll probably want the Pictogram Card (specific to the watch model) and you'll DEFINITELY want the Chronometer Certificate Card (specific to the actual movement in that numbered case.)
I think people should not bust down with diamonds the case and bracelet of their expensive watches. Puting diamonds on a removable bezel that can be replace is ok but not the whole watch. People should not put black PVD on their watches and engrave their watches with art. those things will cause your luxury watches to lose value.
I mine original watches from estate dealers and they are never polished. Sometimes a little beaten up of course. But yes, there are countries that I will not buy from due to the numbers of fakes and Frankens being sold.
Federico I have a 16570 with two chips on the edge of the crystal. I’m about to have it serviced and was considering having the crysta replaced. Value wise Is it better to keep an original chip crystal or replaced it with an authentic Rolex?
So long as you replace it with period-correct crystal you're good. What I mean is different models could've used different types throughout the years. Some older models would've used Hesalite or a type of plexiglass. So if you own a vintage piece, check if it is sapphire or plexiglass. Also, with Rolex sapphires, newer crystals will have rolex inscription on the crystal. So you also might want to know that. But if you already know all this, then it is easy to tell your AD. Unless you go straight to a Rolex repair centre, they will know which crystal to use. Also, if you can get the replaced crystal back, that would be awesome, at least if you decide to move the watch, you will still have all the original parts. Harder to do nowadays as most Rolex shops wont return repaired or replaced parts for fear of imitation and frankenwatches on the second-hand market.
Great episode, never heard these on any other channel
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Are scanned versions of papers that can be printed acceptable or do you need the physical original papers?
Normally papers will contain the watch/reference number. If your soft copy contains this then it softens the blow of not having the real deal. Better with something than not at all. But if I am buying, I'd ask, why would hou have a scanned copy and not the original? Scanned copies can be forged easily than the real paper.
how strange your comments, In Colombia where I live you can fin Rolex Patek and any major manufacturer boutiques in almost every city, and many of them in cities like Bogota, MEDELLIN, CALI ETC ETC
Richard mill! stepping your game up
What do you do about a tiny dent on the inside lug?
Good vid Fed! Thank you!
My Breitling Evolution is never Polished and now 14 Years old without a Service and Still running Good and i never Sale this Watch
Federico , whats your opinion on engraving the caseback of your watch ? yay or value destroyer, nothing fancy just a name
True, but if you mark a milestone, you might want to keep that watch really forever, right. Also, Rolex replaces casebacks for just 135 dollar. So if you find a engraved bargain, I would buy it. You can even polish most engravings out.
@@jennyp.4603, i want to get mine engraved lets see what Federico thinks
@@jennyp.4603 Agreed. Estate watches and gift watches from failed relationships come to mind. I will have no problems buying those as I also buy the stories that come with the piece. I might even keep the piece if the story behind the engraving is really special. Like if it was work during a war or worn by an important people. :)
Good points!! Living in Peru makes me know a lot of problems with purchaes and credit cards. However it would be useful to have videos pf usual places where watches are robbed...many cases of people being killed to rob their watches worldwide.🤔🤨
Yes- heard of a guy who was stabbed outside a bar for his Rolex in London just recently. Watch where and how you show your Rolis guys!
This is part of the reason I prefer brands that only another watch guy would recognise. I have no desire to be ostentatious and much prefer to fly under the radar.
Good video with pertinent content. Well done.
Fed. I'm pretty sure I tried to sell you a vintage sub 100% unpolished. Sharp edges nearly untouched.
No lies.
Show us your new Moser!
How can you trust the quality/ realness of a branded watch without the paper?
Very few fakes even high-end ‘replicas’ stand up to scrutiny with a loupe. Besides, all paperwork can also be faked, if you are around luxury watches for any length of time, instinct and feel usually tells you very quickly when a watch just isn’t right.
Take to a watchmaker. Should do that even with papers as there could be swapped/missing parts.
or maybe they are 5 ways to get the watch for a cheaper price if you aleady know you don't plan to resell it :thinkingemoji:
If there are people out there paying 25% to 30% more for pre-owned watches with box and papers, I have a couple of bridges in NY they may be interested in buying as well.
This video answers a question I never knew I wanted to ask: Would I ever consider a Richard Mille? The answer is NO! That watch is huge and hideous! Not something that I would gather from looking at pictures, though...I cant afford it anyways. "I got 99 problems and Richard Mille aint one"
This is CONTENT ! HOORAY finally someone who gives REAL ADVICE & inside dope !
That watch looks bloody awful
@@byronfiler2193 lol. got that right!
Thks for the advice much appreciated!
Just viewing 1st time, thank you & damn if your recent Patek situation didn't take place right here (U S) the basta®ds😑
Wishing you all the best on recovery efforts.
Bravo. Thanks for info :)
All my watches are unpolished.........but they are also keepers
Papers dont matter either
Wise words.
If you care about your watches value, then first off I'd say stick to these three brands: 'Patek Philippe, Rolex, Audemars Piguet'. They are all hot as shit and they have been for a very long time. When people think 'amazing expensive watch' they think 'Rolex' and when they think 'what's better than Rolex?' they think 'AP and PP'. There's also F.P Journe, Richard Mille and Lange if you want something ultra-high end but under the radar, though you will have a lot more trouble selling those kinds of pieces then the afore-mentioned trio. You also need to keep in mind that you should be buying flagship models, not dogs. For AP it's the Royal Oak variants, for PP it's the Nautilus, Aquanaut, Calatrava, 5905 and a few others... (buying Patek offers a lot of variety but you need to know what's hot and what's not), and for Rolex it's the Submariner, GMT and Daytona. (the Milgauss, Explorer I & II, Air King, Datejust and President are also reasonable investments, but less desirable and you need to be careful not to overpay). Finally, there are some variants of flagship models from other brands that can also retain value pretty well, but they are less certain. An Omega Speedmaster MOTM will sell pretty quickly as will a reasonably priced JLC Reverso. You just have to be aware of what people want, but when it comes to other brands these ultra-desirable models are much harder to come by.
Please explain the definition of “papers.”
Good advice Fed. 😃👍
Thanks so much Mark.
Big cojones here in Mexico! Hahaha great vid Fed!
Dont polish your watches if you want to maintain the highest value. ⌚🤴👍
Another factor is the seller’s attitude, anywhere from the detail of the listing to how you interact with a buyer
Your eyes move way too much... can you look straight haha
Papers please, keep the papers 🙄
I don‘t trust/buy watches from Hong Kong. I think even that is too shady.
Hong Kong has one of the biggest rolex market though. It's one of the only few places in the world you can find gmt master ii for sale at ADs (albeit at scalpers markups)
Good tips.
Thanks Greg!
I love you 💕
I have a watch from 1954 that was never polished, wtf are you talking about.
To put diamonds in a watch is just bad taste...cojones!
if u want to kill value just carve your name or fam name on it 😂😂😂
Good vid fed lol triads will be after you now lol
Which countries in your opinion count as eastern European?
Ex soviet countries for the most part, there may be a few exceptions.
@@FedericoTalksWatches I'm from Poland, which is home to many watch-collectors that sell their watches also abroad. I've never heard them reporting to have any problems with the buyers suspecting them of frauds...
Ksawery Tyzo every single 3rd world country can be shady. Poland... meh, I would go to an ad here. Anyway the point is not about watches being fake, but harder to sell. I buy only in Europe cause if not you need to ad 20%, go to the custom service if there is any problem... it’s a pain. And for the people you are talking about, the key word is abroad. If it’s abroad, you probably are either a local or a wealthy tourist. No reason to suspect from you. And they probably sold it to either a shop or a watch connaisseur, and both of them probably know their shit. Also, vintage watches are wayyyy less counterfeit and expensive too.
Lots of people have no issue doing business with people in certain countries (I do not personally), but many prefer not to because of stereotypes and sometimes, legitimate security reasons.
@Ali Alexander That's sad.
Come on! I bought Rolex in official dealer in Poland. Does it mean my watch has lower value because this is wrong part of the world????
Unfortunately it means it will be harder for you to sell it, if the watch is shipping from Poland. Not saying it is impossible, just that it won't be nearly as easy.
@@FedericoTalksWatches first of all I did bot buy it to sell it. But it is bot fair to say my watch is worse than yours.
Piotr I would not take it personally. I am only talking from my experience. Your watch is no worse than mine, but it will be harder to sell the watch from Poland than from the US. It is what it is.
@@piotrw.4614 are you a child?
@@FedericoTalksWatches well, stereotypes are usually not fair. In this part of the world all what comes from US is kown as low quality products. Anyway I love your vids just dont agree with this point. Takie care.
If you don't want to destroy the value of a watch, first thing to do is don't buy it
Fed save me the PC talk. There are safer countries. My credit card was scammed in HK hotel!!
Couple of cojones 😂
"Cojones", ja ja ja ja ja ja ja ja 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦. ¿Familia española?.
hahaha vivi en Madrid un tiempo ;)
@@FedericoTalksWatches
Federico is full of surprises🤣🤣🤣
Probably should have edited out the “off the beaten path country” description.
Listen, I obviously meant to harm, if people want to be sensitive online, let them.
@Smooth Ok, how about this one: "If you dont want a shitty experience, dont buy/sell from/to shithole countries". Does that work better for you?
Fed lives in Florida, he knows crazy countries.
erne75 😂😂😂
Fawkes & Hound Seconded.