Why do higher-ranked lobbies feel easier? | OW2 Reddit Questions #29
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- Опубликовано: 3 июн 2024
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:10 - Why do higher-ranked lobbies feel easier?
02:07 - Should I just suck it up and play comp?
03:41 - How do you defeat Pharamercy with bad aim?
05:35 - What's the point of spawn camping if you lose?
06:43 - Is it possible to learn every hero at an average skill level?
09:35 - Is Tracer hard to rank up on?
10:59 - How do y'all pick mains?
12:26 - Why is Brigitte so feared in high level ranks?
16:53 - Who is best to play right now as a tank?
17:49 - How do yall think Venture is going to fit in the meta once they're comp legal?
18:54 - Outro 
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The simple answer for why High rank matches feel easier than low rank matches is: Bad players generally have worse game sense, worse positioning, and worse mechanical skills. You might say that should make it easier, but no. It feels harder because its way less predictable. They will be in weird places on the map you wouodnt expect, or theyll all be playing right alongside eachother so you cant find a pick. This goes for your teammates as well, so everybody winds up feeding eachother and team fights are impossible to win. As far as mechanical skill, low rank players tend to play worse heroes that rely on cheesy abilities to bail them out. Thats why we hear how much Junkrat, Ball, Sombra, Hog, Pharah etc are insanely strong in lower rank lobbies. Your average metal rank player isnt going to be able to handle them well, and for the ones who can, well 1 person csn only do so much when you consistently have to rely on 4 other people.
To wrap this up, higher rank lobbies feel easier because you typically see the same comps and meta, and in general the games play out a lot more predictable, also your teammates are generally more competent.
The fact it’s so hard to be a good player in low ranks because you can’t synergies with your teammates like you can in higher ranks.
Skill issue. If you’re good, you can carry and win a majority of games
@@rileyp3707The way you play with good teammates vs good opponents is way different to playing with bad teammates vs bad opponents.
You can 100% carry but you need a mindest switch to stop trying to healbot bronze tanks and expect GM results and instead make it so that *you* are proactive and look for kills.
If you're a DPS stop playing behind tank always cause bronze positioning ain't getting to GM. get off angles and pinch the team whether you're team is aware of it or not doesn't matter in lower ranks.
If you're tank learn the fundamentals of using corners and ure abilities effectively to get kills and close the gap, play to ure tank strengths and the enemy's weaknesses.
If yo they are casual, people are playing for fun and don’t give a shit
Trying to carry a couch up the stairs is hard when you're alone. You can do it. It'll just take a while. Get a duo.
@@rileyp3707I literally have a masters account and a silver account, its easier in masters.
The first question is very real. Games are easier in lower ranks, but harder to win. The higher you go, games get more difficult, but easier to win if that makes sense. You can go 40/5 in a gold lobby and lose because your team is running around like headless chickens. And the skill difference between high gold and low plat is in fact gigantic. because there are so many players in gold, skill can vary tremendously within 1 or two sub ranks. There absolutely are plat players stuck in gold. You need to play like a diamond to get out of gold playing solo, or you group up with 1 or 2 other plat players. Once you get to higher ranks, player's skill rating are more accurate. So doing your part well can guarantee the win in a lot of games. You don't have to hard carry every game to win. Hell, I even won games in diamond that I was not playing well and got carried. Maybe it was the rank reset, buy I was fighting for my life in plat 1/diamond 5. After hitting diamond 3 it has been smooth sailing. I'm in diamond 1 now and hopefully will be back in masters by the end of the season 🙌
This is so accurate, especially since the rank reset... there's such a gigantic mishmash of skills in the metal tiers that you have Silvers getting curbstomped by Diamond/Master role challengers because ultimately the game is still prioritizing matching speed over skill accuracy.
I think Blizzard needs to add Iron/Copper tier ranks to flesh out the sub-diamond categories and spread that concentration of players out a bit better... might not fully solve the issue, but the bottom tier (Bronze) basically only having 2 ranks to climb before they hit this massive skill gap is a bad issue to run into.
KarQ has probably never been in gold. Gold is rank where you have a doom 1 trick warlord who could easily be Diamond if he actually played other heroes. And the Moira player who uses fade to stay in the frontline.
The "play like a diamond to get out of gold" is a good point that needs to be mentioned more. Most people assume that simply playing like one adjacent rank higher is enough to carry your team and win consistently to get out of your current rank, but that doesn't work well in the low metal ranks. Playing like sliver will definitely NOT be sufficient to solo carry in bronze most of the time. You need to play like gold 3 or higher. Or get lucky enough to be grouped into another player who also has a gold mindset. Also related and probably also a hot take here- there is some skill in smurfing. A smurf in a team can absolutely lose if they can't adapt to how games are played in low ranks. But if they accept that their own team will probably play erratically and have potato aim, they will know better when to make their team carry plays.
bs and copw
I dont have that impression. I went out of gold in 2 week but now im stack in masters for ages. In gold kills matter only did in right momment. U can go 40-1 and lose a game, i once went 75-3 as dps in silver game and lost 😅😅 cuz i didnt kill supports in overtime fast enough. In high ranks u cant even peek or ur head is exploded in 1 sec.
Jeez! It seems like every single one of these videos KarQ has to explain how to deal with Farrah. With or without the Mercy pocket.
Fr like she hasn’t been an issue in years lmfao
these players need to pick up Echo, she eats Pharah alive nowadays
@@dabbigailwilliams she always has lmao
@@TheRealOGnick Well shes been starved of pharahs for a while but now shes eating them alive....once again
@@dabbigailwilliams you wish, the new buff on projectiles and boop dmg on phara makes it actually a lot stronger than people thinks. Unless your god at aiming you're not going to be able to hit the phara that knows how to pull away.
High Plat - Mid Diamond is wayyy more difficult than Mid - High Masters/Low GM 💯 the problem is people tend to be more stubborn in Diamond and can be absolutely delusional if they’re providing value, people not resetting after lost fights etc
Lmao you're crazy.
I play a lot of QP with my friends who rank from low silver to low masters, and I concur that it feels better to play in higher ranking lobbies.
It's not that it's any less intense - quite the contrary, the games are much faster paced and any mistakes are punished faster. The mechanical skill of the players is also higher.
However, the teamfights actually feel organized most of the time, the players are more cooperative, the flankers or snipers are pinged immediately, the players actually wait for the respawns instead of feeding on cooldown (there are always exceptions, of course ). Even if my team loses, it feels less frustrating, because it's easier to pin-point the things that went wrong, and they are usually a honest mistake or mechanical skills diff, and you can't be mad at that.
In the lower ELOs it's chaos. I love my silver friends, but playing with them is like herding cats. Even if they technically know the basic rules, Re: grouping up, high ground importance and target priority, they still get lost in the actual game, have a tendency to tunnel-vision and struggle to follow basic pleas, like "wait for me, you'll die without support", or "leave! teleport to Zarya behind you". Hardly anybody calls out targets, despite talking in team chat I can turn around to find half the team dead, because they picked a fight with flankers without calling them out. Plus, they get frustrated easily and can even ragequit - even if I see the game as perfectly winnable.
It doesn't help that some of them play on... uh... questionable setups. Crappy business membrane keyboards, cheap "gaming" mice with no mousepad, "playing on a trackpad / laptop feels perfectly comfortable to me"... I get the financial problems, but it certainly does influence the reaction speed, and I remember how frustrating it was to play when I too was playing on a potato with a terrible internet connection.
Reason why higher-ranked lobbies feel easier.. KarQ nailed it about it being a combination of everything. But yes, in Plat I noticed that's when people finally knew how to actually group up. Tanks and DPS actually don't retreat for a health pack the moment they lose 10 HP. People actually use cover for a change. In the metal ranks you have a huge combination of leavers, throwers, feeders, people who hold their ult until the next game, people who only try to ult when they think they can kill the whole team, etc. All that is such a mess that there's no coordination for the most part. So yes, that's why higher ranked lobbies will feel easier. It actually feels like a team game.
I literally had a ranked game where my whole team was playing “for kills” and not objective, they slaughtered the other team but we still lost because they were like a 4 stack of Smurfs all deranking… I got gas lighted the whole game for solo caping all 3 payload points while they spawn camped… they told me I was throwing lmao
I won a game just because I’d pull the enemy team to point by attempting to cap w Tracer. People need to understand how important the objective is.
I saw a VOD where a game on Busan went for an hour. A group of smurfs purposely dragged the game out by directly going to the enemy's side of the map and spawn camping, ignoring the point for a long time so each round lasted about 20 minutes.
@@ccricers that’s what I’m saying, it’s like sociopath behavior in these lobbies sometimes and people’s arguments are “get good” and it’s like dude this is just a weird and bad gameplay experience.
This the one thing i hate most about overwatch, i dont want to lose a game where my team trickle and feed, then play a game where my team is so good i just stand there and win. How is this fun, i want to carry and be involved not get carried and just sit there or die.
@@averyterribleperson5292 exactly man, it’s very inconsistent and a lot of the time one or the other. People should be allowed to be “bad” at the game and play with each other and learn. Not be bad at the game and have to deal with ego maniacs sneaking into low lobbies. Give people an even matchup.
100% psychological. I’ve played in contenders level lobbies before and they always felt infinitely more difficult than my usual gm3/2 lobbies.
Ur the minority pro level is completely different.
I was 4100 Lucio Ana player and I did feel like i had to try way harder when I was playing with friends in low diamond on my alt.
Maybe my friends just sucked, but I don't think they were worse than the avg diamond player
Youd be an outlier.
Higher rank in this context is likely very literal. People who are Diamond+ or even high plat.
And as someone said earlier. Its easier because your teammates are more consistent and conscious of things they can be doing. The games have less polarization.
Youll get peel, youll get followup, youll get synergy. All of which really open up the game a lot.
At Pro Level execution and mechanics elevate, to a point where its no longer enough to know and perform the correct decisions you need to perform them well and against people who expect them.
That adds a layer of new difficulty but its not the same difficulty
tbh the person probably improved and just doesn't realize
Im gm1 player but master harder because the players that I play with , and the enemy doing random no excepted.
I think for the first question that last point you made is so god damn true. Especially when you hit diamond you can more confidently assume people on your team get the general concept of the game so they aren't running around with their heads cut off at the plat and lower ranks.
Way back in the day I upgraded from 40fps all settings to lowest possible (no AA) to 144fps 1440p and went from mid plat to mid masters in one season, and to GM the next season so I've been across a wide range of ranks and this is my observation: once you reach mid diamond(ish) games start becoming reasonably consistent and you can actually assume you'll play as a team the large majority of games. Once you reach masters, this becomes very consistent and you can pretty much assume people 95% of the time play as a team and track ult usage/combos/economy and coordinate it. At GM this becomes MECHANICAL and you can pretty much rely on muscle memory that people will push for kills/staggers or fall back as a team immediately according to the level of pressure and picks made on each side. Random BS happening is a super rare anomaly. Mid-masters is also around where people stop being total bastards and will force a draw if there's a cheater. People sometimes do this at lower ranks down until mid-diamond, but there's so much fatherless behavior that it's 50/50 if a team will yoink a win at the last minute rather than continue the draw.
Playing in a beginner lobby is like playing in deathmatch mode. You have no idea where anyone is going to be.
I’ve been sayin this for a while, you really want a challenge, try to fight the smurfs while teamed up with new players in bronze.
Agreed
How do you even get to bronze? I tried for like a month straight to get to bronze without making it obvious I was throwing. I couldn't manage it and got stuck at silver 3.
@@lukasg4807 what else do you do for fun, squeeze feeder mice to death with your hands? Why play the game to throw, some real sociopaths showed up with the expanded player base man
@@user-ny6yh2wk7omaybe he did it for curiosity? all of us hear of the fabled "bronze lobbies" where everyone has the game sense of a rock but not many of us have ever been in one to see how it really is
@@Artemi22 go be curious about something else and not intentionally ruin the game experience of others.
9:07
When I first started this game I made the decision to find the role I liked first, and the heroes later, I found I enjoyed support (season 4 of OW1) specifically Zen and Ana. From there I found in a quick play match that I was surprisingly decent at widow and Hanzo (who wasn’t decent at Hanzo back then).
Eventually I found that I was really good at Zayra in the Rein-Zarya comp.
Find what’s fun, and learn what’s good later. At this point in time I hardly ever play Ana or Zen because Mercy is easier and brings more joy, I never play the snipers, and hardly play tanks anymore. The game will change, you will change!
I’m trying so hard to remember what your pfp is from
Used to be masters but now I’m going back and forth from diamond to plat and it’s insane to watch the way my tank plays. I’ve never been a carry type dps, more a synergy player. And getting a feeding mauga while my play style is rather safe feels rough.
In regards to your first point about how he might just be on the high of moving up to the new rank and relaxed about meeting the threshold: That could actually be a lot of people in plat that he's playing against/with and not just him considering the rank reset took a lot of plat and even diamonds down towards gold so in the plat lobbies everyone is stoked to be back there.
It's probably partially psychological, but I also wonder if high ranks have more consistent players too. Base rank will have smurfs, new players, tryhards, casuals. The higher rank you get, the more consistently average the players should get, as people who overpower overs will move on further and people who get overpowered will get filtered out. So it may be that the consistency is also why it feels easier.
Or it's just that at some point you have a "breakthrough" where figuring something out made you be 4 ranks higher than before.
My go-to against PharMercy is always Bastion, personally
"My aim is garbage", "I never play aim intensive characters"
People out here thinking that good aim comes naturally. Practice and improve your aim!
I don't know how anyone could suck as soldier.
@@trav8787 to be fair, if your aim sucks you will not get value as soldier past a certain rank. good reason the only good soldiers I ever see post online are players like Melo and Receptioncells who just grind kovaaks. Soldier is super easy to pick up and understand, but if you don't have god like tracking you'll eventually just hit a brick wall since his skill ceiling for aim is surprisingly high.
Any tips for console controller players? Im not great with aiming, and i want to choose some mains to start comp.
the first question, it is easier in plat that in high gold just because not as many people sweating in low plat compared to gold 1
Match quality does have a tendency to go down the lower the rank, sometimes making it harder than being in a higher rank where people at least coordinate better.
Most people don't pay attention to comps, don't coordinate well, get a bit careless at times, and generally aren't too adaptive of the situations.
When I returned this season and placed gold I had to do significantly more to win compared to what I've ever done in diamond. You have to really pay attention to how your teammates are handling themselves and adjust to take care of them, no matter how wacky things get. Well at least on tank and support
The amount of things that need to go right to win in low rank games is def more than higher ranks. If you don’t have a leaver on your team, then it’s a Smurf on the other, if it’s not a Smurf in their team then it’s a Smurf on yours who is deranking.
Or just somebody totally weird. I had a Zen once who didn’t primary fire the entire 2 rounds of a game on Parisio. I literally mean 0 damage whole game, just heal orbed and hid it was so f-ing odd.
yea I can relate to higher ranks feeling easier to play. back when I played on console in OW1, I was SIlver for like...2 years and then rapidly climbed to a point where I hovered in the low Diamond/mid to high Plat range (career peak was like...100ish SR away from Masters). climbing out of high Silver low Gold took forever because (and I know GM/top 500 players think this is fake) teammate quality was inconsistent. once I broke the Gold barrier I climbed out of Plat and hit that high Diamond peak within the span of a month whereas before I was hardstuck high Silver/low Gold for 2ish years beforehand. when I switched to PC for OW2, I'm back in the Silver/Gold struggle bus on tank (my dps and support inherited the Plat/Diamond ELO from my console days but I rarely play those roles on PC because I'm very unfamiliar with mouse and keyboard)
Based on my experiences getting farmed by gm players in qp as diamond 5 trash, being a higher rank leads to games that feel easier because the game has a nasty habit of putting substantially lower ranked people on teams to make queues faster. Usually the game after getting destroyed by GM's I will get matched against gold/plat players as "compensation".
It's awful, I've been consistently leaving 3 matches every 20 just to avoid playing against gm ximmers. I've already played out hundreds of matches vs gms this way and it's just feels awful to see the crosshair do that weird jerky motion it does when they lift and move their mouse to the middle of the pad.
This right here lol, I (diamond 2 support) spent a week in QP wondering why I kept getting trash cans for teammates (it's qp so it's not a big deal but I i still couldnt help but notice significantly lower skill players in every lobby). I'm talking 60% of the players I got matched with were silver or lower. Again it's QP so who cares but I would be lying if I said I didn't get annoyed constantly being matched with far less skill players on both teams
@@TheGreatPewpyOne yeah i feel you. I dont care if my teammates are lower ranked than me. I care when my teammate is also GM and obviously feeding on purpose so my team doesn't get to play the game cause all of the MMR budget for the team went into the throwing GM player lol
Did you know Sombra spawn camps tanks pretty effectively. Except for diva
Only bad ones but yes
It could be psychological a little bit but I think it's most likely just that because you are in a higher rank the other people on your team play Better. As somebody who has since overwatch one climbed from gold all the way up to masters I can definitely say that every single time I reach a new rank it was easier to play in those games than it was the previous wreck and the only thing that's different is the fact that the people I'm playing with were smarter or better at the game. I'd main DPS and second support when I played ranked support the game put me in silver and I had a hard time getting out of it I had a friend help me and once I got out of silver and into gold, I was able to climb up to diamond and stay there on my own. I think the reason that your games feel much easier when you get into higher ranks it's because everyone is more often properly doing their job.
The spawn camper who lost could have been throwing intentionally
I find this funny because I was just doing this
Yo, why isn't this channel names KarQives/KarQhives?
It was KarQives but it messed up the search where this channel's content wouldn't appear when you searched "KarQ" so he had to change it
2:58 -- no I'm not with you on that one. If people are gonna get mad at competitive players for wanting to try and win in quick play, casual players cant get mad when people want to try and win in comp as well. With the amount of times I've had someone tell me "If you want to win that bad, go play comp" its bull to sit here and act like its okay for casual players to just queue up comp and treat it like its any other game mode because they want a shiny gun.
The answer to the 1st question is very simple. As you climb higher in the ranks you're less likely to have garbage teammates. There are A LOT of bad players out there and a lot 5 stacks because people don't want to deal with those bad players. Have a nice day everyone.
I feel like Venture pairs well with Gengji, I don't know it that just because I was getting teamed up with the Genji main that literally could not care less that a new character was added put everything they do sets Genji up to dash reset through the entire team
🗿🗿🗿 the first guy made it seem like he was diamond and was talking about high masters/ gm lobbies
I will say as a tank player and a hog main it’s was a grind to climb out of plat but now that I’m in diamond I do feel like I can rely on my teammates to help me secure kills more often and I win more games because of that.
I have a question: I somehow know how matchmaking works in quickplay but few weeks ago I played as tank against sojourn who was in top500 pocketed by mercy and what is important I dont play tank a lot, I hate it, I dont have rank on tank and as dps im silver and gold as support lol
Yesterday I played ranked and went 0-5 on Genji because I constantly thought about how annoyed my team must be because I‘m holding them back so I just turned off Chat and focused on my gameplay… we won the game and I ended with 25-8 so just always focus on ur own performance and believe in ur skill
Before I even watch the vid. I feel the same way. In Bronze and Silver I kill myself trying to carry. Sometimes hard carry. But when I was Silver in Gold lobbies. I won. I won up to Gold 3 easily. Just feels like others know how to play like you do. So not so much pressure on you to like do it all persay
Masters player climbing through Plat after reset. The games do get easier as you climb because the overall skill and game sense of players are increased AND they conform more to metas overall
higher ranked lobbies are easier because the difference in skill between 2 extremes of 2 different diamond players is a lot less than it is between the low and high for silver-gold players.
the rank system is a bell curve so majority of people regardless of actual skill will end up in the average ranks, making the losing games feel harder and the winning games feel easier.
once you break out of the curve/ema your losses will be less challenging and more close, your wins will be less easy as well, but generally the experience will be better because you have a much lower chance of getting people in your match that are being 'boosted' by the curve.
The curve is the same reason that ranked is so frustrating for many players below high plat/diamond, your rank would eventually be corrected over the course of hours and hours of matches, but most of the people that are complaining about this curve do not play enough matches to climb to their real rank, either that or they have been hardstuck for so long the amount of time for a breakout to occur is unrealistic unless a massive improvement in skill happens [which you also have to keep in mind that the average skill level of OW players is constantly increasing as well, so the improvement needs to be faster than that of the average player, 2016 diamond is 2024 silver]
The main issue with ranked is that this current system struggles to differentiate between people who play frequently and people who don't, people who play competitive casually and people who grind. it's not fun to get stomped because you ended up in a match with super casuals against a team of people that are actually giving it their all. it's not fun to stomp the enemy team when you put in so much effort only for the enemy to basically not try at all. I would rather lose 20 games in a row where my team genuinely tried and it was an objectively fun match, than play 20 games that are incredibly boring where we just sit on cart the whole time for hours while the enemies feed over and over again. Low ranks experience these extremes way too frequently.
In the last year I've ranked up way more so these problems have become almost invisible to me, and people like you KarQ who are at the highest level of play, it doesn't matter if you open a fresh account, you skill diff so hard that you will blast past every rank before you get the opportunity to see the massive team diffs despite them being roughly the same elo.
Of course everything I say could be invalid and my entire experience is just coincidence but this is what the system currently looks like to me.
I played a plat game against 2 DPS and a healer that spawn camped us when they were on attack Route 66, leaving a 2v2 at the start of the map. We just battled them there forever. They killed us over and over and their team didn’t move the payload at all, weirdest way to throw I felt bad for the other team
question one answer i disagree
I have played high diamond/masters most of Ow1 and Ow2. Everyone knows what to do and where to be most of the time.
I played with friends who were gold and silver on a smurf. It is noticeably more difficult due to team mates lack of game awareness/skill.
You cant say its a solely mindset thing why you find higher ranks easier, especially in a team based game.
At lower ranks you are forced to heavily carry your teammates. At higher ranks your teammates have a tendency to not fall over as often. So it feels easier because your teammates are dead less often.
I was high plat and low diamond in over watch 1 but ever since overwatch 2 I hit and stayed in masters 3 and up
I was Diamond 4 and lost 3 matches in a row where my healers ulted every time the team was dead... I told myself I wasn't leaving on a loss and ended up being plat 1... I just dont understand how you can pop off with lots of kills and a few deaths but the game doesn't care if you perform insanely good in a match, and as a Genji main now I'm stuck getting farmed by all the Plat 5 moiras and their amazing aim and these games are harder than my masters 5 games last season...
i play ball i go for spawncamping alot when we lost the fight
Bastion is actually really good into pharaphmercy, but i gues its just me being gold
1000% disable text chat. If anyone is going to say something useful, it will be in voice. Way less people are willing to be dicks in voice. If someone flames, just mute them and gg go next. Your sanity will thank you.
The worst rank in console is masters. One game, u get smurfs/ximmers, and the other games are super easy.
Xim kinda ruined my competitive drive in console once getting into high masters/low gm. When you know the competitive integrity is totally gone and the playing field isnt even, it ruins the drive to keep grinding.
@TR-ju5re im from the Middle East, 90% of the overwatch players here use xim. They truly think its okay.
If you are a DSP and want to kill pharamercy but you don't have the aim to play hitscan- play echo. Echo is one of the more aim-reliant projectile heroes (Flex DPS) but its so much easier to kill pharahs as echo with mediocre aim than as a sodlier with mediocre aim.
Ill tell u whats crazy, if i win a ranked game that was expected, we fought for our lives, yet when its an uphill battle it was the easiest game ive ever played. I think there is something wrong with the ranked modifiers
Higher ranked lobbies feel easier because players are more willing to do stuff that actually works. In low elo, you will see tank players lose on hero select because they didn't have a plan, and are not willing to adopt a plan. You will also see a lot of Lucio players despite bronze snipers not being much of a threat.
In higher ranks losses feel deserved. The lower you go, the more likely to get someone who isn't pulling their weight so even if you completely dominate the enemy team they can still win the 4 vs 5.
You are plat on rein KarQ, we all rmember that coaching sesh with Flats... :D
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its not a psycological thing,when u are in a rank where ur gamesense/prediction does not apply well cause everyone is doing random shit from ur pov(maybe they dont know how to play the game maybe they 10 step ahead of u), ur are forced to relly on ur mechanics a lot more than normal. when u reach a rank when ppl are now playing according to what u perceive is the way to play ur predictions end up giving u a lot more value than before. u wouldnt get it cause u a gm player, ur mechanics are SOLID and so is ur understanding of the game, while most ppl only have the understanding of how the game is played at their ranks
Very good explanation
I kinda understand that point about higher games being easier. My low diamond support games are significantly easier than high gold dps games. That being said I've got way more hours on support than dps. And my dps is definitely trash.
I don’t know if anyone feels the same but toxicity in ow2 has gotten to the point that I turned off game chat, no one is in vc anyway so no need for that lol. I couldn’t justify the benefits of text chat over my mental sanity over seeing “diff” and trash talk every game including qp.
do you main tank by any chance
Lmao get used to it. Dont run from it. The world can be F’d up. Get thick skin and you’ll be fine. Just don’t take it personal. Plus, if you get diffed you get diffed. It Happens. Use it as motivation..
@@TheMortalKombatent I used to main tank since ow 1
@@1stNumberOne that’s a perspective but I guess since I’ve grown up to be a working adult with responsibilities and other commitments I could care less lol
@@SuperBlitzKing lmfao that’s even worse if I’m to be honest. As an adult (like myself) comments in a OW chat shouldnt even get to you. Honestly I thought you were a kid, I was trying to help you out but as a ADULT..that’s a lil ridiculous😂.
If you didnt care you wouldnt even take the time to leave chat🙃
Anyway, Take care!
Nah Swear I been master3 I been diamond plenty of times. I did my placements and I swear these plat 2 & plat 1 games been mad difficult. Literally these games felt as if they were master 1+ games. Idk if everyone is trying to do unranked to GM or just trolling at this ooint cause they cant win in their higher ranks but its crazy for the actual plat players or around those rank players
High rank lobbies are easier because lower ranks are plagued with smurfs. I would know as a smurfing connoisseur.
Plat Higher rank compared to gold, play and gold are so close to eachother
When i first started playing, I played 300 hours of mystery hero to learn everyone at a decent level.
Hot take: the devs need to stop giving everything a movement ability, some heroes having them are fine but everyone should not have one. It feels like everyone just gets a free movement ability. Heroes that don’t have one have to focus a lot more on their positioning and imo it adds a lot more skill needed to play them as you don’t have a get out of jail movement ability
I agree. Every single non tank hero since like 2018 have had vertical or horizontal mobility, often both. Like did sojourn need both a dash and a super jump? Did venture need two vertical mobilities that gets her up on any high ground?
I just wanna get out of gold so i can play with teammates who understand the game more.
People shit on Bronze but I’ve watched hours and hours of high level gameplay and same games look very similar to what you find in Bronze. It’s filled with Smurfs and you can be a player of at least plat diamond level skill just hard stuck there because no matter how good you play you’ll have games where it’s just smurfed out, your teammates are deranking, or they are brand new and literally tell you in the middle of the game it’s their first time playing that map…
ive been told by teammates that they dont have all the heroes unlocked in high plat, this game is wild
This is statisticaly incorrect.
Over the long run, you’ll win more games than you lose if you play at a higher level than everyone in the lobby
@@rileyp3707 exactly
@@rileyp3707 I’m not even making about winning, it’s a point about the amount of extra variables that exists in low rank games that aren’t in your control.
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Why do people saying "hard" before everything, Hard stuck, Hard Scope, Hard Counter...
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Masters has been way easier than Plat and diamond. Elo he'll is real!
I wish people would stop asking higher ranks questions about the gameplay of metal ranks. They have no idea what they’re talking about when it comes to lower ranks. Like yeah fundamental gameplay stuff is gonna be important, but the #1 tip to climb is to just get a party. Even if it’s one person, guaranteeing that at least 1 person on your team is going to play decent drastically improves your chances. Shame they took out LFG and killed the social aspect of their team based shooter lol
Can we all agree that plat is the absolute worst rank in the game? Everyone thinks they know everything but they are plat
At the start of the season I was in Plat 5 for a hot minute and the games still felt like the usual throwing and not taking the game seriously like lower ranks. Now I’m back to Gold 4. I think the barrier of entry for comp should be a lot more difficult. Make the requirements to get into comp much more arduous. That way you’ll (mostly) get players who truly care about winning and ranking up. Let’s face it, a lot of players in comp don’t take the game seriously, mess around, purposely play against hard counters, whatever, and no amount of “if you lose then it’s your fault and not your team’s” or “you’re not advancing because you’re where you need to be” is going to change that reality. Furthermore the aforementioned are just excuses people make because they don’t want to be held accountable for playing a competitive mode with a casual mindset. I triple dog dare someone to tell me it’s my fault when the Dva is playing against Zarya and the Reaper and Junkrat are against two fliers and refuse to switch. I triple dog dare someone to tell me I’m not ranking up because I’m exactly where I need to be when yesterday I put a Tree right in the middle of point so it could heal everyone and everyone on my team got eliminated and lost the match. Despite me healing them on top of Tree healing. If TEAM games are not your thing, that’s perfectly fine, but don’t make me and my rank suffer because of it. COD TDM and Fortnite solo are right down the hall.
Nah, higher ranks are easier. People respect eachother more in regards to Los and off angles. Unless you have a mechanically gifted individual it's just a bunch of fps footsies xD
Hard cope omfg low rank is not easier than high rank. You can one army everyone from bronze-low masters (s9 masters is actually respectable) If you put these low ranked players in high ranked comp games they get destroyed
The reason the low level bots probably feel like their games are impossible to win is because they keep trying to work as a team,there is no working as a team in low ranks,use your team mates as puppets to distract the enemy while you kill everyone doesn’t matter what role you are
I'm trying man but I play doom and everyone targets ME!!!!!!!!
1st question: it IS easier because you are having to carry turds less often.
Karq doesn't know shit about metal ranks. there's a DRASTIC difference in performance between gold 1 and plat 4.
person has broken through the barrier where literally MOST players in overwatch play (gold) and into the realm where people still aren't the best, but they're definitely better than most players.
yes, plats still make mistakes, yes, plats couldn't hang in masters or higher. but they know decent coordination, timing, cover, etc, so everyone's just trying to have better mechanics, and it's better mechanics until masters, then everyone's pretty good at mechanics and it goes back to game sense. above gm3 it becomes MOSTLY game sense, as mechanics and basic strats are a given, so now it's "who can best execute this play" which is why karq thinks all the metal ranks are the same.
Spawn camping to me is unsportsmanlike. They don't do it at the professional level. So it's seems like a scum of the earth low level play.
nothing unsportsmanlike about where in the map you get your elims. spawncamping is a strategy with its own advantages+disadvantages just like any other
if you keep getting killed because you're not waiting for the rest of the team to also spawn then that's on you, and wholly preventable
if your team is already out there then like KarQ said the fight will be 4v4 -- an even opportunity for both teams
the fact that spawn camping is rare at the pro level says more about its overall viability than anything
Enough Mauga slander plz
mauga deserves all the slander
He deserves it. Would rather have orisa meta then mauga meta
"higher-ranked" "plat 4" lmao
I’m masters tank player I don’t consider that high
@@PerfectSwagHDu dont consider masters high or plat high?
Way to be toxic to people trying to learn and improve
@@kristincatuogno9450how is it toxic? plat 4 is by definition, not higher rank. it's basically average.
@@DemonbreedGaming With champion being added plat is above average. You don't know other's skill levels, so to make fun of a guy who is learning and hitting their peak is very toxic. Just cause you are above their skill rank doesn't mean you get to laugh at them feeling out of their element in a higher elo. Dude said he was a low gold player chill.
nah lil bro thinks the first question is a psicological issue, aint no way 💀that shit happens on all games, games ARE easier when you get higher rank, then it hits a ceiling and then they get HARDER again
Ngl bro you can’t even spell psychological so idk why ur talking lool gold 1 to plat 4 is not that big of a difference
Here KarQ goes again gatekeeping ranks. its easier becuase your team isnt ass the entire game. A team game is a team game, better team makes the game way easier.
Bro ignored the fact that the enemy team is better too
Because in lower ranks you have trash cans who dont understand team comp, LoS for heals, positioning in general, and worst of all, most of them dont even understand how to play their roles/heroes. Thank God, I somehow climbed up to at least Diamond 2 before giving it a break, but man... sometimes i feel like you need a license just to play the game. lmao, too many trash cans come on thinking its CoD and genuinely ruin the experifor better players.