SO basically they just explained how he is not traveling, and you still bitch that he will travel... You people are fucking idiots and I hate the Rockets....
So they come up with the "gather step" to keep from calling traveling so much....Yeah still looks like traveling to me...still taking 3 steps after the last dribble...
@@MrE_ The thing is dribble ends when a player touches the ball with both hands or puts hand under the ball. Travel rules are actually simple if you understand them.
Gather step is not that hard to understand. it’s just a stupid rule. that’s why nowhere else in the world allows it. It’s an intentionally vague rule to allow players more freedom with their steps in any given situation where they are dribbling or catching the ball. this rule in combination with the defensive 3-sec and no handchecking is why Luka said it’s eaiser to score in the US. Defense wasn’t killed by 3 pointers it was killed by the rules being written for ratings instead of honest basketball.
@@MrCHI2cool Yes, just because he was showing it blatantly and with no Flair, That's why the ref called it, but when you see the coach doing it this makes it clear it's a travel, and bullshit invented in the NBA for spectacular dunks. Rule was and should be this, the moment You stop dribling it's step one if not You are doing 3 steps when basket only allows 2 and you make it injust because It depends if the ref likes your dunk or not
Fans understand the rules. You just understand them differently. The NBA is KNOWN for NOT making these calls. We always knew that. Now we are being forced to watch people do them on PURPOSE. The two steps ARE for the purpose of gathering. Calling 1-2-3. 0-1-2, doesn't make what was done legal, it just makes the game easier to call. But once the players know they get it, they take it!
Absolutely. I am so disappointed in the NBA. It is becoming a freak show and it's mostly caused by these rules. The rules are favoring pure strength and height instead of skill.
Actually the NBA used to enforce the rules back when mj was still playing. Then they just stopped and started letting players like labron James and James harden go on a nature hike before they have to dribble. Lol.
What made this confusing is because prior to this era of basketball with players like James Harden, etc. this move would have been called a travel. There was no such thing as a gather step then and if there was, refs even ignored it. You pick your dribble then you're just allowed 2 steps to take a shot or pass the ball, that's it. So please, someone from FIBA, the NBA or whatever tell us when this "gather step" rule started. I remember when Manu Ginobili got to the NBA and started doing his "euro step", some fans thought it was a travel also but it was clearly not based on the 2-step rule. Then James Harden came along and suddenly we now have this "gather step" rule....
it came in 2009, it is what it is, we cant get mad at harden for taking advantage of a rule change, hes a genius because hes the first one who realized what you can actually do with an extra step and thats why hes so unguardable
Key point, the gather step is the foot that is on the ground when you gather the ball, if you gather while you're in the air there is no gather step, the first foot to land after the gather would be your first step (pivot)
Thanks for a great video coach! At 3:14, the rest of the guys are actually correct that it's indeed a travel - you just passed over the border into taking TWO gather steps. Look closely where your hand is on the ball on the very first step that you claim is before your gather step. It's underneath the ball - so effectively that means you already started your gather step. After that you take three steps. This is what raises true concern in a lot of comment sections, cause it's happening all over the league - one gather step is legal, but ever so slightly players have snuck in more and more of a pre-gather, making it a travel if you follow the rule book. You don't make the same move at 3:27, there the hand stays above the ball until you make your gather step. Obviously, one can make the argument that you held your hand beneath the basketball for demonstration purposes, to be able to move slowly. In that case, I rest my case :) But that's really what's happening in the NBA, so it's still very valid to argue against that move.
This comment should absolutely be pinned. And this is exactly why "horizontal hang" is more contentious than "vertical hang" (like in the case of a windmill). Because horizontal hang can easily be a carry when the hand is close to 90 degrees. Even more contentious is when the first step occurs *at the exact same time* as both hands touch the ball (this happens a lot in NBA). Some consider this step 0, others step 1. But NBA rules state step 1 occurs AFTER gaining control of the ball. The problem is when it occurs simultaneously, technically it's not AFTER. And so I think most NBA refs' calls are indeed correct when they count the "simultaneous step" as step 0.
I miss “Can u hear me shaking my head?!” 😂😂 I’m deadass I miss that so much. So happy pre season is happening so I can finally have some basketball besides Drew League and BIG3.
I like how they try to use a 3rd step and still make an excuse to call it a gather that’s sorry ! Anything more than 2 steps is a travel make it more simple rather than trying to make a violation legal 😂
In the NBA and FIBA, you are also given a "gather step". When a player has taken more than 3 steps without the ball being dribbled, a traveling violation is called. The rule was 2 steps before 2018, but The International Basketball Federation, also known as FIBA changed the rule.
Eli he said “to him” so just let him live his own fantasy and have his own NBA rules. but as far as real NBA rules, its not a travel if done exactly how its explained in the video lol. let him think what he wants
@Ty Thomas Boxing Training no one's changing the rules. What used to be doesn't always have to be what IS. Something doesn't automatically become true because that's "how it used to be" or "how it's always been". If the only reason you wanna insist that these moves are travels is because you weren't seeing them before, then you're just delusional. These are innovations in footwork and scoring and you oldheads refuse to appreciate it because you haven't seen this type of stuff before. clowns lmao
I'd also want to hear about the START of the dribble. Like, watching LeBron in fast break action he catches, takes like five steps to pick up speed and only then starts to dribble.
I think it comes down to when the player is considered to have possession of the ball. Also if you're a super star like Bron or Giannis you get an extra 2-3 steps for free lol.
You're supposed to jump off both feet at the same time on the last two steps. Every level I've played at has called it a travel if they are two independent steps. I think the rule has morphed and changed over the years just like other sports rules have for higher scoring games, which keeps fans interested and seats filled.
jesus u must have played in 1963 then because never have I heard you have to jump off both feet. it used to just be that the gather step is the first step of your 1-2, not the zero. whatever you said is null and void and frankly makes no sense whatsoever.
Because teams want multiple ball pocessions. If the bigs takes shot, there'll be less offensive rebounder. If the shot missed, The opponent gets their defensive rebound and the ball pocession ends. compared to a shot taken with maximum number of bigs go for the rebound and possible second chance opportunity .
NBA Twitter needs this.. I consistently see guys comment travel under a highlight from Harden.. Lebron.. etc. I can argue all day that it’s not a travel but it’s all on preference of player.. if you like the player you’ll ignore his faults.. kinda like how ppl say Lebron travels but Giannis can take one dribble from the free throw line and everyone is in awe.. don’t let bias blind you.. there’s a reason these guys are in the NBA getting paid millions.. the skills needed in the league nowadays are crazy
This is a bunch of mental gymnastics around the fact that it is traveling and adding terminology like the "gather step" is just an equivalent to the reality of a third step. All of the discussion around the "steps not looking like a travel when its in motion" is not valid because traveling is not dependent on how fast you are moving just if you pick up and put down your established pivot foot before passing or shooting.
03:14 thats actually travelling...you are palming the ball so you are already in control of the ball before your feet touches the floor...you cant move forward with the ball (that means that you are controlling the ball ) so every step counts...
Good stuff on the gather. Two points of emphasis missed: It has to be a gather-one-two step. No left-left-right, or right-right-left, that's not normal motion, and thus a travel. (so take care on that stepback, if you hop into it, either hop with the proper foot early, or be exactly on time. If you have a rhythm of hopping but hopping left-right-up out of a left foot stepback, that's a travel) Second, the moment the hand is under the ball, the ball is gathered. So the windmill-gather starts when the hand carries the ball up, not so much when the ball is touched by both hands.
That’s not accurate. A euro step moves in two directions and is perfectly legal. Nothing in the rule book dictates which direction the 2 steps need to be in
BBALLBREAKDOWN do you think he meant that you can’t go left foot down-left foot down-right foot down? Like the triple jump in track and field. Saying that the cadence needs to always be alternating feet down only. So euro-step is cool, but triple jump is not? I’ve seen one play were Steph Curry came really close to using the triple-jump cadence and it was extremely effective at getting past his man, but looked really close to a travel. Watching in slow-mo you could tell he was just changing the cadence of his feet while utilizing the gather. Thanks for the great content!
@@bballbreakdown I was talking about cadence and which foot came down, not so much about direction. So a triple jump (like athletics) is not allowed. If you step back with your left foot, then land into a hop, but not with two feet simultaneously, that may be a travel if you land left-right.
Start by defining what a "step" is. Then define what a "gather" is. Then define what a "gather step is" PRECISELY. As in when the ball is "gathered," relative to when feet are touching the ground, off the ground, landing back on the ground...etc. Until you actually define the terms you will keep chasing your tail and talking around in circles.
honestly the only reason why the gather step is a debate is because the definition of a carry changed. nowadays you could basically put your handle under the ball which allows ball handlers to take more steps before they gather the ball
Who knows it’s by far the dumbest basketball term I’ve ever encountered. All it does is confuses people. The most important thing that people don’t emphasize is when the dribble ended (when was the ball picked up by two hands or when did it come to a stop)
Added to give these players another step to make the game easier for them. Instead of enforcing the rules they change the rules for these players that can't play fair.
What if I dribble, step. Then while the ball is still "live" step gather then 1, 2. I do it sometimes on a hop step. I dribble take a step, still have the ball in one hand take a step forward and drag the ball with one hand (still live can dribble straight after this step) then as I land gather on one foot, step back land on 2 and shoot. So basically gather step, 1, 2 although an additional step before where the ball is still live
Went to NBA Ref school. On the 1st day the instructor told us open books to Chapter 3. I asked how about Chapters 1&2 Traveling & Palming ?? He said don't worry about them. They won't be on the Test.
If anyone can show me anywhere in the NBA rulebook where the term "gather step" is used, PLEEEEEEEASE do it. The gather step is just some post-hoc shit people came up with after the NBA decided to stop calling traveling. That's it.
And holy shit, what filayyy did at 4:00 was a travel and a half. You don't get to take wild steps just bc you're hanging the ball over your head on some extended dribble/non-dribble gather.
Rule 10, Section XIII-Traveling (NBA). A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing must release the ball to start his dribble before his second step..... more and more. google and you might find something sometimes.
Quote from NBA Rulebook. You're allowed 2 steps upon completion of a dribble, so if you dribble while pushing off of one foot it is not counted toward one of your 2 allowed steps. Conclusion: This occurrence is more commonly referred to as taking "two-and-a-halfsteps", where the half step is the "gather step".
Except you can take more than 1 gather step, apparently. Like sometimes harden will take 2 or 3 steps while gathering. The rule doesnt say how many gather steps you're allowed so maybe that's why.
Fiba travel is when you lift and replace your pivot foot. So the 'gather' would be your pivot foot, 1st step would be moving your non-pivot, 2nd step would be lifting your pivot foot and replacing your pivot. Aka travel. American basketball must have some rule allowance for layups
@Tod Wilkinson any reference to a rule book? I like FIBA definition. Simple answer to simple question. You travel when you lift and replace your pivot foot. Doesn't require an essay to answer
The ref calls a travel on Nick at first, then changes his mind later. Even he doesn't know for sure what a gather step is. That's why people get upset. Can you hear me shaking my head?
I am getting so tired of specifically Harden haters saying everything he does is a travel. He maybe travels one out of twenty times he does a stepback or euro but he messes up the footwork once and everyone acts like that's the norm.
Players are abusing this sooo hard. They keep the dribble "live" with one hand on the ball (or even under the ball since carrying and palming is not whistled) to allow them to make several steps without actually committing to an action. That's why the defenses seem so bad. It's not that the defenders became worse or that they don't try anymore. They just can't predict the offense since it has so many options due the dribble being "live" even when it's an obvious carry or palming. If they started calling carry the defenses would magically improve as the offense becomes more predictable.
“We’re here to stop all the debate about traveling and explain the gather step” Not even 4 mins later 3:15 😂😂💀 its good though this helps me understand it better
Nick's 1'2 look fresh as hell....This vid was much cleaner than the step-thru vid. (Which i disagree w/) These are easy to see...Although, Harden still manipulates the gather and the play in an odd way. But as long as u 1-2 after the dribble & shoot, it's luv. Things get murky when guy do that move then try to pivot off the 1-2 & step thru IN ADDITION to the action that's already occurred. The game is just wild today.
Also have to consider the fact that NBA players have large hands and are able to control the ball and continue their dribble without getting called for a carry. Most people cannot keep their dribble live in a "fake" gather without carrying the ball. Also another question that I have is that you don't necessarily need to have two hands on the ball to gather.
hi coach nick awesome content in videos. first id like to say that i totally agree with you on your demonstration or how the gather is used especially in nba. i have a question i hope you can understand and either answer or make a video on a gather step scenario... my question is, does the gather step have to be on the ground or does it still count as a gather if receiving the ball mid air. let me break it down (1) receiving a pass in transition to a lay up, player is running has first step in contact with the ground (gather step) as he catches the ball continues on to step 1 and 2 lay up no problem lots of videos on that.. (2) receiving a pass in transition for lay up, player hops before receiving the ball catches ball mid air lands is that still a gather step continue on to step 1 and 2 shoot.? essentially landing taking 3 clear steps is this allowed cant seem to find a video or player doing this but definitely a possible option. i interpreted a gather step meant to be gather the ball on contact with the ground not catching a pass mid air. but my ref trainer says the rule is a player on the move is allowed a (0) step/gather step followed by steps 1 and 2. which would make both scenarios legal. confused please help!!!!
3:13 In my opinion, this particular one it's illegal. He gathered the ball at 3:14 with his right foot being his pivot. Then, he made 3 steps (left - right - left). In my understaning, when your dribling, once you gather the ball you can't change your pivot foot
the issue at 3.09 is that because he is going slow he carrys the ball with one hand before gathering it with two hands. In effect the carry is the the gather. I think ?
there is no 3 step rule. the only number in the rule book is 2. and the only steps that are counted are after the gather. you could have 10 gather steps if you stutter step before gathering, then take your 2 legal steps. so stop with the 3 step bs.
@@deeppatel7496 no, there is no 3 steps. The rules say 2 steps after the termination of a dribble. There can be multiple gather steps so your 3 step bs is just that. BS.
@@rshinn8776 lmao u missed my point Ik what gather steps are I just said we should just call it 3 steps because most people are to stupid to understand what a gather step is
Video starts @ 1:37. Basically if you can do it quick enough or smooth enough then it counts. Gather step means while gathering the ball with one to both hands while doing that you can take a step that doesn’t count. If your slow or not that skilled don’t try this or it will be called a travel. It’s stupid this is allowed because your basically getting away with a travel or carrying.
I think they allowed the gather step for more rhythm, fluidity of movement and for the consistency of calls. If they would remove the gather step completely 90% players would be called travel. It just happens that some players are more creative and somehow finding ways exploiting that rule, not violating it.
They allowed it because now you have more guys with less fundamentals and the whistle would be blowing all game. That would result into less entertainment, lower scores, less tickets being sold, less television views, etc. In the grand scheme of it all, it comes down to MONEY!!!!!!!!
The gather step is another fundamental change to the NBA that further separates generations before and after 2009. It makes it harder for us to compare players after 2009 to the greats before then. I miss the old "2 steps and dribble/pass/shoot/pivot" rule. Simpler times.
it's not just having both hands on the ball, it's WHEN THE DRIBBLE IS ENDED, which also means when the hand is underneath the ball because a dribble from that position is called a carry.
dribble- step -catch - 2 steps. if your step lands while the ball is still on the way up it's legal. if you go dribble-catch-step- 2 steps that's travel.
The gather step is not a rule. It's a construct to help refs quickly identify if something is a travel or not. The only actual rules involve your pivot foot and when you pick up the ball
this rule is so weird - the traveling rules shouldn't be determined by the gather, having two hands on the ball, it should be a judgement based on 'control'. In a league where everyone can palm the ball like crazy, it's insane to define the rule based on the gather, since you can do the harden/giannis shit where you take several steps with the ball in one hand before you 'gain control' of the ball by putting the second hand on it.
You can gather the ball with one hand underneath as well, aka "carrying". There isnt a rule that limits the amount of steps you can take while your dribble is still alive, so judging it based on "control" would never work. There would have to be an implementation of a rule that limits your steps between dribbles to 2 for that to work. And they would never do that because it would in turn make moves like the stutter step illegal.
@@Ryan-yu5kt Agree - with "palming" I tried to refer to carrying - seems to me that It's one rule not being called that influences the other one. When we count steps from the harden step-back or the giannis euro the problem is that the gather doesn't happen before they put the second hand on it, right? Maybe control is a bad word - a one-hand-gather would be just as efficient, as it would still exclude those moves counting the steps at an earlier point.. personally though I like that the nba is a little loose with the carry-calls - so I would hope you could create a rule for the one-hand-gather without taking away the handles
@@pureluv36 There already is a rule for the one-hand-gather. If you put your hand under the ball your dribble is dead and you then are allowed 2 steps.
Um, I’m not. That’s why I’m doing this. The thing I demonstrated with the ball was exactly what I demonstrated without it. And yet, the ref had an issue with the first time but not the second
You're the clueless one lol. Like coach said, the speed of the move shouldn't dictate if it's legal or not. The coach was doing exactly with Devin and Jeff were doing.
@@Ben2bwild you can't stop at the end of a layup for ten seconds dimwit. Timing is the essence of the art of not traveling. But you guys are so used to LeBron, you can't even see what's right in front of your eyes. Almost every star in the NBA travels nowadays because they know refs swallow their whistles thanks to LeBron. Look at Kawhi. He used to be a good player who seldom traveled. Now he travels blatantly.
The minute that coach did that on 3:15 it defeated this whole video because it proved traveling is allowed in the NBA. The coach even said “that’s how they all do it” 😂😂 they all take a “gather step” then three steps sometimes even four👎😂
That's my thing. 3:15 was slow and goofy looking, but the one he did immediately before that one was the EXACT same thing that Devin did ("even if I were to pick the ball up early") but now he looks suspicious.. Is it not a travel then?
Had a whole argument on Twitter the other day because someone said you're not allowed to take 2 steps laterally after the gather step, which would make stepbacks and sidesteps illegal. He also said you're only allowed 1 step after the gather, which is also straight wrong, because that would then make a lot of euro steps illegal. The argument was about a move someone did that was very similar to what Devin did at 7:10, except the guy in the Twitter video put the ball behind his back to switch hands and then shot the 3. It was a behind-the-back gather step into a 3.
James Harden about to watch this and create a “legal 7 step layup”
@Aaron Davis i came here to say the same thing. could stutter a hundred times, as long as you didn't gather the dribble is still live.
Melo been doin that when he's pulling up a jump shot
@Aaron Davis cant i think that would count as a carry
Or may be 9!
SO basically they just explained how he is not traveling, and you still bitch that he will travel... You people are fucking idiots and I hate the Rockets....
that Durant out-of-bound saves is legendary! lol
Not much has made me that angry as I was whilst watching live
Lmao 😂
Which game?
jammer lj Against the Rockets last year
@@the2dudes1 I mean, at least the rockets won that game with a harden game winning three tho
So they come up with the "gather step" to keep from calling traveling so much....Yeah still looks like traveling to me...still taking 3 steps after the last dribble...
Literally a gather step. Not illegal. Very deceiving. Not a big deal.
3:12 coach nick was about to do a 360 dunk but decided to spare the rim
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Looks awkward. This Nick guy probably sucks @ basketball.
@@Wilton24 r/woooosh
@@Niko-he4ji LMAO okay I see you have reddit. 🖕
@@Wilton24 r/ihavereddit
So basically, the Gather step is a gathering of steps called Traveling.
Coach nick flexing with the ones!
And with the travel
Traveling the most confusing rule in basketball
I wish they'd just count two steps after the last dribble, no more, no less. Just like middle school and high school basketball
Seito Stockman spoken like a true sour old man
I disagree, it is very simple
@@MrE_ The thing is dribble ends when a player touches the ball with both hands or puts hand under the ball. Travel rules are actually simple if you understand them.
@Seito Stockman THANK YOU!!!
Gather step is not that hard to understand. it’s just a stupid rule. that’s why nowhere else in the world allows it. It’s an intentionally vague rule to allow players more freedom with their steps in any given situation where they are dribbling or catching the ball. this rule in combination with the defensive 3-sec and no handchecking is why Luka said it’s eaiser to score in the US. Defense wasn’t killed by 3 pointers it was killed by the rules being written for ratings instead of honest basketball.
They really called Coach slow for a few minutes straight tho lolol
Right
And he was right too!
@@MrCHI2cool Yes, just because he was showing it blatantly and with no Flair, That's why the ref called it, but when you see the coach doing it this makes it clear it's a travel, and bullshit invented in the NBA for spectacular dunks. Rule was and should be this, the moment You stop dribling it's step one if not You are doing 3 steps when basket only allows 2 and you make it injust because It depends if the ref likes your dunk or not
@@ivanpardo1752 you sound like someone who doesn’t play at a high level. The rule being the way it is allows for more skill expression.
@@jourdansarpy4935 and you play at a high level?
Fans understand the rules. You just understand them differently. The NBA is KNOWN for NOT making these calls. We always knew that. Now we are being forced to watch people do them on PURPOSE. The two steps ARE for the purpose of gathering. Calling 1-2-3. 0-1-2, doesn't make what was done legal, it just makes the game easier to call. But once the players know they get it, they take it!
Absolutely.
I am so disappointed in the NBA. It is becoming a freak show and it's mostly caused by these rules.
The rules are favoring pure strength and height instead of skill.
Actually the NBA used to enforce the rules back when mj was still playing. Then they just stopped and started letting players like labron James and James harden go on a nature hike before they have to dribble. Lol.
@@myke421what’s the difference the when the ball is counted as picked up the steps start counting from then on
What made this confusing is because prior to this era of basketball with players like James Harden, etc. this move would have been called a travel. There was no such thing as a gather step then and if there was, refs even ignored it. You pick your dribble then you're just allowed 2 steps to take a shot or pass the ball, that's it. So please, someone from FIBA, the NBA or whatever tell us when this "gather step" rule started. I remember when Manu Ginobili got to the NBA and started doing his "euro step", some fans thought it was a travel also but it was clearly not based on the 2-step rule. Then James Harden came along and suddenly we now have this "gather step" rule....
it came in 2009, it is what it is, we cant get mad at harden for taking advantage of a rule change, hes a genius because hes the first one who realized what you can actually do with an extra step and thats why hes so unguardable
@@deeppatel7496 the rule will change again in 5 years and YALL will see what we’re talking about
Key point, the gather step is the foot that is on the ground when you gather the ball, if you gather while you're in the air there is no gather step, the first foot to land after the gather would be your first step (pivot)
Thanks for a great video coach! At 3:14, the rest of the guys are actually correct that it's indeed a travel - you just passed over the border into taking TWO gather steps. Look closely where your hand is on the ball on the very first step that you claim is before your gather step. It's underneath the ball - so effectively that means you already started your gather step. After that you take three steps. This is what raises true concern in a lot of comment sections, cause it's happening all over the league - one gather step is legal, but ever so slightly players have snuck in more and more of a pre-gather, making it a travel if you follow the rule book. You don't make the same move at 3:27, there the hand stays above the ball until you make your gather step.
Obviously, one can make the argument that you held your hand beneath the basketball for demonstration purposes, to be able to move slowly. In that case, I rest my case :) But that's really what's happening in the NBA, so it's still very valid to argue against that move.
This comment should absolutely be pinned. And this is exactly why "horizontal hang" is more contentious than "vertical hang" (like in the case of a windmill). Because horizontal hang can easily be a carry when the hand is close to 90 degrees. Even more contentious is when the first step occurs *at the exact same time* as both hands touch the ball (this happens a lot in NBA). Some consider this step 0, others step 1. But NBA rules state step 1 occurs AFTER gaining control of the ball. The problem is when it occurs simultaneously, technically it's not AFTER. And so I think most NBA refs' calls are indeed correct when they count the "simultaneous step" as step 0.
Thank you for the explanation. The video never managed that the reason for the call was the hand under the ball. Very misleading.
Are you ever gonna get into the James harden step back or is that the season finale
Lots of episodes coming up
he did already search
Mo A yeah but I know there’s more to it
DIFFERENT NAME he already has a video on the step backs
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I miss “Can u hear me shaking my head?!” 😂😂 I’m deadass I miss that so much. So happy pre season is happening so I can finally have some basketball besides Drew League and BIG3.
NBA Twitter really needs to see this one lmfao
"NEVER UNDERSTAND" Thank god i saw this video, i can go back to not understanding
well they explain it incorrectly in this video.
Lebron packs a suitcase, overnight bag, shaving kit and a few more accessories every time he passes half court.
Excellent format here with the ref and other experts. More please.
Thank you for this video. Very much needed in the modern nba.
I like how they try to use a 3rd step and still make an excuse to call it a gather that’s sorry ! Anything more than 2 steps is a travel make it more simple rather than trying to make a violation legal 😂
In the NBA and FIBA, you are also given a "gather step". When a player has taken more than 3 steps without the ball being dribbled, a traveling violation is called. The rule was 2 steps before 2018, but The International Basketball Federation, also known as FIBA changed the rule.
3 steps will always be a travel to me.
^ this guy gets it. You're right, don't let these guys confuse the populace. Your gather step is 100 percent your first step.
Yep the NBA and a college ref have no clue what they’re talking about. You’re sooooo right
Eli he said “to him” so just let him live his own fantasy and have his own NBA rules. but as far as real NBA rules, its not a travel if done exactly how its explained in the video lol. let him think what he wants
Every person on this comment is stubborn, stupid as hell, and non attentive at all.
@Ty Thomas Boxing Training no one's changing the rules. What used to be doesn't always have to be what IS. Something doesn't automatically become true because that's "how it used to be" or "how it's always been". If the only reason you wanna insist that these moves are travels is because you weren't seeing them before, then you're just delusional. These are innovations in footwork and scoring and you oldheads refuse to appreciate it because you haven't seen this type of stuff before. clowns lmao
I'd also want to hear about the START of the dribble. Like, watching LeBron in fast break action he catches, takes like five steps to pick up speed and only then starts to dribble.
I think it comes down to when the player is considered to have possession of the ball. Also if you're a super star like Bron or Giannis you get an extra 2-3 steps for free lol.
Rules give you a two count. Like not just two steps, but a 2 count to start a dribble when receiving a pass while on the move.
Coach got that drip with those bred js and legacy 312s looooool
This may be one of the most important videos ever created!!!
Awesome thx
i agree
You're supposed to jump off both feet at the same time on the last two steps. Every level I've played at has called it a travel if they are two independent steps. I think the rule has morphed and changed over the years just like other sports rules have for higher scoring games, which keeps fans interested and seats filled.
Nope
@@cbone1982 Bingo!!
This is incredibly factually incorrect.
jesus u must have played in 1963 then because never have I heard you have to jump off both feet. it used to just be that the gather step is the first step of your 1-2, not the zero. whatever you said is null and void and frankly makes no sense whatsoever.
Experienced basketball athletes look so much cleaner in their moves than amateurs, it's quite beautiful to watch specially in slow motion.
The game has changed over the years, gone r the days of the big man that played down low ... 🏀
Because teams want multiple ball pocessions. If the bigs takes shot, there'll be less offensive rebounder. If the shot missed, The opponent gets their defensive rebound and the ball pocession ends. compared to a shot taken with maximum number of bigs go for the rebound and possible second chance opportunity .
Yeah then u got people like kristaps and dirk who shoot 3s haha
NBA Twitter needs this.. I consistently see guys comment travel under a highlight from Harden.. Lebron.. etc.
I can argue all day that it’s not a travel but it’s all on preference of player.. if you like the player you’ll ignore his faults.. kinda like how ppl say Lebron travels but Giannis can take one dribble from the free throw line and everyone is in awe.. don’t let bias blind you.. there’s a reason these guys are in the NBA getting paid millions.. the skills needed in the league nowadays are crazy
Coach nick low key got heated at the ref for a sec 😬😂
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This is a bunch of mental gymnastics around the fact that it is traveling and adding terminology like the "gather step" is just an equivalent to the reality of a third step. All of the discussion around the "steps not looking like a travel when its in motion" is not valid because traveling is not dependent on how fast you are moving just if you pick up and put down your established pivot foot before passing or shooting.
03:14 thats actually travelling...you are palming the ball so you are already in control of the ball before your feet touches the floor...you cant move forward with the ball (that means that you are controlling the ball ) so every step counts...
If they still called palming the ball players today wouldn’t be able to move five feet without traveling.
This makes alot of sense. I love how it opens up for more skill expression.
Good stuff on the gather. Two points of emphasis missed: It has to be a gather-one-two step. No left-left-right, or right-right-left, that's not normal motion, and thus a travel. (so take care on that stepback, if you hop into it, either hop with the proper foot early, or be exactly on time. If you have a rhythm of hopping but hopping left-right-up out of a left foot stepback, that's a travel)
Second, the moment the hand is under the ball, the ball is gathered. So the windmill-gather starts when the hand carries the ball up, not so much when the ball is touched by both hands.
That’s not accurate. A euro step moves in two directions and is perfectly legal. Nothing in the rule book dictates which direction the 2 steps need to be in
BBALLBREAKDOWN do you think he meant that you can’t go left foot down-left foot down-right foot down? Like the triple jump in track and field. Saying that the cadence needs to always be alternating feet down only. So euro-step is cool, but triple jump is not? I’ve seen one play were Steph Curry came really close to using the triple-jump cadence and it was extremely effective at getting past his man, but looked really close to a travel. Watching in slow-mo you could tell he was just changing the cadence of his feet while utilizing the gather. Thanks for the great content!
@@bballbreakdown I was talking about cadence and which foot came down, not so much about direction. So a triple jump (like athletics) is not allowed. If you step back with your left foot, then land into a hop, but not with two feet simultaneously, that may be a travel if you land left-right.
Correct, once the ball is gathered you cannot place the same foot down in succession (hop) you have to alternate left and right steps
If an official referee who does this for a living saying it is legal won't convince you, then absolutely nothing will.
Count 0-1-2 instead of 1-2-3 and it's not a travel. GG brilliant!
Start by defining what a "step" is. Then define what a "gather" is. Then define what a "gather step is" PRECISELY. As in when the ball is "gathered," relative to when feet are touching the ground, off the ground, landing back on the ground...etc. Until you actually define the terms you will keep chasing your tail and talking around in circles.
Didnt we already see this video?
Ikr?
Its the same intro bc its the same series
@@felixicuss ohhh you're right.
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@@felixicuss same series or video?
I knew all this. But I hope this will help all the people saying Harden travels every time.
Thanks for the information coach🙏🙏
honestly the only reason why the gather step is a debate is because the definition of a carry changed. nowadays you could basically put your handle under the ball which allows ball handlers to take more steps before they gather the ball
When you pick the ball up you got 2 steps. When was the “gather step” invented???
Who knows it’s by far the dumbest basketball term I’ve ever encountered. All it does is confuses people. The most important thing that people don’t emphasize is when the dribble ended (when was the ball picked up by two hands or when did it come to a stop)
It's been around for a while actually
Added to give these players another step to make the game easier for them. Instead of enforcing the rules they change the rules for these players that can't play fair.
the gather step is a rule in the nba, nba has different rules then college and highschool ball to make nba plays more interesting
That was created before the pre-gather step was introduced for the 4 step layup. Didn't you get there memo 😂 we need to sell more tickets
What if I dribble, step. Then while the ball is still "live" step gather then 1, 2. I do it sometimes on a hop step. I dribble take a step, still have the ball in one hand take a step forward and drag the ball with one hand (still live can dribble straight after this step) then as I land gather on one foot, step back land on 2 and shoot. So basically gather step, 1, 2 although an additional step before where the ball is still live
Lmao at the coach taking 3 and 4 steps and being like “well it’s cuz I’m doing it slow”
Imma bout to use this knowledge in summer leagues💯🔥
Went to NBA Ref school. On the 1st day the instructor told us open books to Chapter 3. I asked how about Chapters 1&2 Traveling & Palming ?? He said don't worry about them. They won't be on the Test.
If you grab the ball early like nick, your pivot foot is moving when you've already picked up the ball. That's a travel
This. What Nick was doing is a travel.
It's all about the timing.
3:14 my man walked the plank with that one lol
If anyone can show me anywhere in the NBA rulebook where the term "gather step" is used, PLEEEEEEEASE do it.
The gather step is just some post-hoc shit people came up with after the NBA decided to stop calling traveling. That's it.
And holy shit, what filayyy did at 4:00 was a travel and a half.
You don't get to take wild steps just bc you're hanging the ball over your head on some extended dribble/non-dribble gather.
Bro just stfu you sound dumb ass hell
Rule 10, Section XIII-Traveling (NBA).
A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing must release the ball to start his dribble before his second step..... more and more.
google and you might find something sometimes.
Quote from NBA Rulebook. You're allowed 2 steps upon completion of a dribble, so if you dribble while pushing off of one foot it is not counted toward one of your 2 allowed steps. Conclusion: This occurrence is more commonly referred to as taking "two-and-a-halfsteps", where the half step is the "gather step".
@@aleksasimovic3613 yeah.. you're allowed two steps. We all know that.
There's nowhere in there that says there's some extra magical step in there
Add another step to give these players another step to make the game easier for them.
3:17 hahaha that reaction
Except you can take more than 1 gather step, apparently. Like sometimes harden will take 2 or 3 steps while gathering. The rule doesnt say how many gather steps you're allowed so maybe that's why.
You count to 2 steps but you actually have to count from "0" as in 0, 1, 2.
I know that sounds like BS but i'm being serious
King A you nvr lied💯
Hybrid Stomper Cheers mate I appreciate it
“That would come into question” 😂
3:25 you traveling coach!
JesusIsGOD lmfaooo
Fiba travel is when you lift and replace your pivot foot. So the 'gather' would be your pivot foot, 1st step would be moving your non-pivot, 2nd step would be lifting your pivot foot and replacing your pivot. Aka travel.
American basketball must have some rule allowance for layups
@Tod Wilkinson any reference to a rule book?
I like FIBA definition. Simple answer to simple question. You travel when you lift and replace your pivot foot.
Doesn't require an essay to answer
The ref calls a travel on Nick at first, then changes his mind later. Even he doesn't know for sure what a gather step is. That's why people get upset. Can you hear me shaking my head?
😂😂😂
Because Nick is unathletic and is janky af with the way he was gathering. The move itself that he was trying to do is legal
@@Ryan-yu5kt so true
The ref was 100% consistent. Coach Nick changed what he was doing and so the call changed.
maybe People will now understand that Harden doesn't Travel 1000 Times during a Game but I guess they will ignore anything and just go their way
I am getting so tired of specifically Harden haters saying everything he does is a travel. He maybe travels one out of twenty times he does a stepback or euro but he messes up the footwork once and everyone acts like that's the norm.
He travel 50/50 he makes fun of the rules of basketball. Back it the days we been doin only lay up 2 stroke enginee fuck tthah shit miss old NBA
Players are abusing this sooo hard.
They keep the dribble "live" with one hand on the ball (or even under the ball since carrying and palming is not whistled) to allow them to make several steps without actually committing to an action.
That's why the defenses seem so bad. It's not that the defenders became worse or that they don't try anymore. They just can't predict the offense since it has so many options due the dribble being "live" even when it's an obvious carry or palming.
If they started calling carry the defenses would magically improve as the offense becomes more predictable.
“We’re here to stop all the debate about traveling and explain the gather step”
Not even 4 mins later 3:15 😂😂💀
its good though this helps me understand it better
3:48 😂😂😂
That’s crazy to me because that means I can run as much as I want with the ball in one hand 😂😂😂
Air Jordan 1 Breds tho 😍😍
Nick's 1'2 look fresh as hell....This vid was much cleaner than the step-thru vid. (Which i disagree w/) These are easy to see...Although, Harden still manipulates the gather and the play in an odd way. But as long as u 1-2 after the dribble & shoot, it's luv. Things get murky when guy do that move then try to pivot off the 1-2 & step thru IN ADDITION to the action that's already occurred. The game is just wild today.
Also have to consider the fact that NBA players have large hands and are able to control the ball and continue their dribble without getting called for a carry. Most people cannot keep their dribble live in a "fake" gather without carrying the ball.
Also another question that I have is that you don't necessarily need to have two hands on the ball to gather.
No part of your hand is allowed to go under the basketball, yet I see their entire hand below it many times while they still dribble
I can’t believe he got filayyy and dev. Coach you da real mvp
hi coach nick awesome content in videos. first id like to say that i totally agree with you on your demonstration or how the gather is used especially in nba. i have a question i hope you can understand and either answer or make a video on a gather step scenario... my question is, does the gather step have to be on the ground or does it still count as a gather if receiving the ball mid air. let me break it down (1) receiving a pass in transition to a lay up, player is running has first step in contact with the ground (gather step) as he catches the ball continues on to step 1 and 2 lay up no problem lots of videos on that.. (2) receiving a pass in transition for lay up, player hops before receiving the ball catches ball mid air lands is that still a gather step continue on to step 1 and 2 shoot.? essentially landing taking 3 clear steps is this allowed cant seem to find a video or player doing this but definitely a possible option. i interpreted a gather step meant to be gather the ball on contact with the ground not catching a pass mid air. but my ref trainer says the rule is a player on the move is allowed a (0) step/gather step followed by steps 1 and 2. which would make both scenarios legal.
confused please help!!!!
3:13 In my opinion, this particular one it's illegal. He gathered the ball at 3:14 with his right foot being his pivot. Then, he made 3 steps (left - right - left). In my understaning, when your dribling, once you gather the ball you can't change your pivot foot
he did his gather step on his left foot then right-left : legal.
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the issue at 3.09 is that because he is going slow he carrys the ball with one hand before gathering it with two hands. In effect the carry is the the gather. I think ?
I understand the rule since I was 7 really easy.... 3 step rule is international though
There is no such thing, you dumb fuck
there is no 3 step rule. the only number in the rule book is 2. and the only steps that are counted are after the gather. you could have 10 gather steps if you stutter step before gathering, then take your 2 legal steps. so stop with the 3 step bs.
@@rshinn8776 the gather step is the 3rd step man, but to make it understandable its just easier to say 3 steps instead of a zero/gather step and 1, 2
@@deeppatel7496 no, there is no 3 steps. The rules say 2 steps after the termination of a dribble. There can be multiple gather steps so your 3 step bs is just that. BS.
@@rshinn8776 lmao u missed my point Ik what gather steps are I just said we should just call it 3 steps because most people are to stupid to understand what a gather step is
I like how everyone is already confused on the 2nd example LOL
Video starts @ 1:37. Basically if you can do it quick enough or smooth enough then it counts. Gather step means while gathering the ball with one to both hands while doing that you can take a step that doesn’t count. If your slow or not that skilled don’t try this or it will be called a travel. It’s stupid this is allowed because your basically getting away with a travel or carrying.
I think they allowed the gather step for more rhythm, fluidity of movement and for the consistency of calls. If they would remove the gather step completely 90% players would be called travel.
It just happens that some players are more creative and somehow finding ways exploiting that rule, not violating it.
What you get is that old school basketball with that ugly robotic game.
They allowed it because now you have more guys with less fundamentals and the whistle would be blowing all game. That would result into less entertainment, lower scores, less tickets being sold, less television views, etc.
In the grand scheme of it all, it comes down to MONEY!!!!!!!!
thanks guys
Coach Nick always has some drippy shoes🔥🔥
I like the music but it doesn't fit in with this video at all lmao
The gather step is another fundamental change to the NBA that further separates generations before and after 2009. It makes it harder for us to compare players after 2009 to the greats before then.
I miss the old "2 steps and dribble/pass/shoot/pivot" rule. Simpler times.
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I feel like “gathering” was only recently inserted into the conversation. This wouldn’t have been legal a decade ago or before.
Been in since Jordan was playing
LOL the first example Coach Nick gives and they are like "hmmmm that might come into question" LOL
it's not just having both hands on the ball, it's WHEN THE DRIBBLE IS ENDED, which also means when the hand is underneath the ball because a dribble from that position is called a carry.
This makes sense and all but Harden still traveling on a good amount of his stepbacks maybe not all but a notable amount
Good amount? Naw but that one against Rubio is one that I can remember off top and a couple more
Please show us some because u know something we all don’t
dribble- step -catch - 2 steps.
if your step lands while the ball is still on the way up it's legal. if you go dribble-catch-step- 2 steps that's travel.
Recreational ball players piss me off whenever I do the windmill layup
"Travel travel travel"
People are so ignorant
Salt i did a side step and they called travel lmafo
The gather step is not a rule. It's a construct to help refs quickly identify if something is a travel or not. The only actual rules involve your pivot foot and when you pick up the ball
Imagine combining a gather step with a euro step 🤯
Giannis does it and harden too
Drago Crnjac you beat me to it. That’s why giannis can take one dribble from the half court line and lay it in
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That’s when people mastered the rules and game
@@dragocrnjac5504 ik thats the reason of the comment
coach nick spicing it up lately with the collabs with devin and jesse! this is some good stuff!
Yeah, clear as mud
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Go back to the old music
i always get called on a travel in junior high cuz they don’t know what a gather step is
Coach Nick taking soundtrack inspiration from Dawson's Creek. WTH dude, you low key effeminate.
this rule is so weird - the traveling rules shouldn't be determined by the gather, having two hands on the ball, it should be a judgement based on 'control'. In a league where everyone can palm the ball like crazy, it's insane to define the rule based on the gather, since you can do the harden/giannis shit where you take several steps with the ball in one hand before you 'gain control' of the ball by putting the second hand on it.
True that
You can gather the ball with one hand underneath as well, aka "carrying".
There isnt a rule that limits the amount of steps you can take while your dribble is still alive, so judging it based on "control" would never work.
There would have to be an implementation of a rule that limits your steps between dribbles to 2 for that to work. And they would never do that because it would in turn make moves like the stutter step illegal.
@@Ryan-yu5kt Agree - with "palming" I tried to refer to carrying - seems to me that It's one rule not being called that influences the other one. When we count steps from the harden step-back or the giannis euro the problem is that the gather doesn't happen before they put the second hand on it, right? Maybe control is a bad word - a one-hand-gather would be just as efficient, as it would still exclude those moves counting the steps at an earlier point.. personally though I like that the nba is a little loose with the carry-calls - so I would hope you could create a rule for the one-hand-gather without taking away the handles
@@pureluv36 There already is a rule for the one-hand-gather. If you put your hand under the ball your dribble is dead and you then are allowed 2 steps.
Nick, I respect your tactical knowledge but damn, you really are clueless when it comes to the rulebook.
Um, I’m not. That’s why I’m doing this. The thing I demonstrated with the ball was exactly what I demonstrated without it. And yet, the ref had an issue with the first time but not the second
You're the clueless one lol. Like coach said, the speed of the move shouldn't dictate if it's legal or not. The coach was doing exactly with Devin and Jeff were doing.
@@Ben2bwild you can't stop at the end of a layup for ten seconds dimwit. Timing is the essence of the art of not traveling. But you guys are so used to LeBron, you can't even see what's right in front of your eyes.
Almost every star in the NBA travels nowadays because they know refs swallow their whistles thanks to LeBron. Look at Kawhi. He used to be a good player who seldom traveled. Now he travels blatantly.
@@bballbreakdown remember that time when we go at eachother about this exact topic which you lost? Stop that. Just don't.
SadaEKE actually you can stop as long as you want to on any layup attempt as long as you don’t take 3 steps.
The minute that coach did that on 3:15 it defeated this whole video because it proved traveling is allowed in the NBA. The coach even said “that’s how they all do it” 😂😂 they all take a “gather step” then three steps sometimes even four👎😂
That's my thing. 3:15 was slow and goofy looking, but the one he did immediately before that one was the EXACT same thing that Devin did ("even if I were to pick the ball up early") but now he looks suspicious.. Is it not a travel then?
Y’all just can’t comprehend💀
Had a whole argument on Twitter the other day because someone said you're not allowed to take 2 steps laterally after the gather step, which would make stepbacks and sidesteps illegal. He also said you're only allowed 1 step after the gather, which is also straight wrong, because that would then make a lot of euro steps illegal.
The argument was about a move someone did that was very similar to what Devin did at 7:10, except the guy in the Twitter video put the ball behind his back to switch hands and then shot the 3. It was a behind-the-back gather step into a 3.
Really good to learn zero step
Appreciate this one coach!