Basketball Moves You Won't Believe Are Legal
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Coach Nick got on the court with Devin Williams ( / officialshiftteamhq ) for Episode 4 of Basketball Myth Busters. Special Guest Dorian Lee ( / bball101epd ) joins us to break down specific moves that not only are legal, but are guaranteed to drive people crazy.
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Imagine all the arguments this guy must get into during pickup
I stay getting into arguments.
Lol alot
Lmao
"Coach" Nick and the return of the mummy (Ronnie Nunn) are full of shit. Specially his older videos. The amendment to the rules that introduces the "gather step" was created THIS YEAR, you can check. official.nba.com/new-language-in-nba-rule-book-regarding-traveling-violations/
Until now, the rulebook said you had 2 STEPS after finishing your dribble. Now with the gather steps, you can take 3. FIBA was faster than the NBA to acknowledge the new nature of the game and introduced the "gather" step in an amendment they made in 2017.
ruclips.net/video/KZu5iE7yrPI/видео.html
So what happened for years is that officials were no following the rulebook, probably under commands of the league commissioner, because the new rule allows more spectacular "selling" moves.
Each time Mummy Nunn and "coach" Nick were talking about the travel rule in the past, they were basically talking bullshit. That's why he tries so hard now with all this new travel videos.
Cheers!
OjoRojo40 you’re missing the point bro. The whole thing about the gather step is that you’re not “finishing” your dribble. Hardens “travel” step back is legal because his dribble isn’t finished when he stops dribbling (I know that sounds stupid but if you watch the video it should make sense)
Coach Nick: Basketball Moves You Won't Believe Are Legal
Harden: *approves*
lol
😂
Trae Young will be an All Star this season
I hope it so bad!
MVP!!
@@bballbreakdown KYRIE FOR MVP
BBALLBREAKDOWN MVP!!! I believe so too!👌🏾🤙🏾
Easily AS
But to us casual basketball player that does this. Everyone will go against us and calling us out. So I'm like fk it, I don't want to explain the whole rule book everytime I play pick up
I believe this, and I play ball seriously, but I’m too scared too try it then get called for a travel, bc I can prove it’s not a travel but they can’t change the call
Ikr
Nah not where i live everyone knows what a gather step is
I ain't gon waste my time explaining rules to a pick up game 😂😂
@@Jayden-ss2ip This is basically the story of life.
im the person who cant understand when people shout travel most of the times
Just Another Viewer it’s cause it’s moving in real time, and whenever someone’s sees awkward movement they just shout travel lmfao
In pickup its easier than playing defense 🤷♂️
Same
Not everyone is a student of the game and willing to study it unfortunately
Pro hop to slide step was one of my friend's go to moves growing up. He would always get into fights about it 😂
yeah the key is its a fake pro hop
At the end of the day, it's all about the gather step and whether or not one considers it an extra step. Maybe it's just me but if I tried to pull that shit back when I was playing in high school or even now if I were to play a game of pickup on a local court, people would call me out for a travel even if they knew that it was legal in the NBA. At almost every level outside of the NBA, that extra step is acknowledged as illegal (as well as in foreign leagues and in FIBA/Olympic tournaments), in fact you could almost argue it's been imbedded within basketball culture itself. Of course when one is watching the NBA, one must acknowledge NBA rules and recognise that even if that step is deemed a travel at many other levels, it's perfect fine in the league.
Just trynna explain why so many casual fans call "travel" on almost every NBA drive they see and why so many NBA fans appear so cynical about the rules of the NBA
Basically what I'm saying is, for reasons unclear to me, some researcher can look into I guess, the game has evolved into two different forms: one that recognised by the casual basketballer, and one that is recognised by the professionals. Each with their own individual set of rules. So when someone who plays bball casually watches the best league in the world, it doesn't translate well to them because they're accustomed to a different set of rules
@@sihyuanwu5492 My brother played organized ball back in the day too, as well as in local parks, and he himself says he'd never get away with half the stuff they do now back then. He had an array of moves but he made sure they were fast, clean and tight to avoid any confusion.
When i was younger and played basketball in europe and then started watching nba, it was confusing to me at first because i had not heard of this gather before. Im sure a lot of international fans like myself have a hard time with the traveling rules of the nba. On the other hand nba players seem to struggle going to international rules. I would hope to have the rules matched and bring the gather to international basketball aswell, so there would be less confusion going forward.
5:03 He can hear us shaking our heads.
LOL great comment
Yeah, exactly, people think a pivot foot is always to be pivoted, means never leave the ground and use it to jump out/off.
Another issue I see commonly mistaken in my community is the gathering and then pivotting, mainly the gathering part like when using both hands or only one hand to go for layup after a running start.
wtf bro i swear if i was in a pick up game and did this everyone would be yelling at me
Yeah i could be showing them the video and yet they still bad mouthing 😂😂
5:59 who just got murdered? 😅😅
Someone who insisted that he didn't travel.
😂😵🙏🏾
Great stuff Coach Nick! The NCAA and Federation are having trouble coming around much like they were against the 3 point arc at one time. The term "gather" is so essential in basketball.
For now, Federation basketball refuses to use the term. Instead they use the term, "when the dribble ends." Point of education: after the GATHER the dribble has come to an END. Two different ways of saying the same thing. In D1 and high school basketball we don't see quite as much creativity; however, guys in the NBA work diligently to create new ways to enhance the game.
James Harden on occasion gets away with an extra step; however, the majority of his step-backs are legal. As long as the dribble is still "alive" a ball handler can take as many steps as he wishes. In high school the training is not as thorough and officials many times mistake when the ball comes to rest- ended- is gathered.
Today's game is about athleticism, timing, precision and skill. The future of basketball is here, whether the "old school" guys and gals like it or not! As a guy that once officiated at all 3 levels, it's refreshing to see us really taking time to really comprehend our game.
Wait, so you’re telling me LEBRON’s continental step and Hardens two stepback not a travel???
I am telling you that, LeBeautiful
He's trying to tell you that for 2 years
Leonardo Pessanha every time i see people complaining about «travels» i just want to send them to this channel
@@LommeMann1 80% of NBA fans take everything in from memes. They don't make conclusion from critical thinking and observation. All we can do is just ignoring them.
So would the Lebron “travel” in this video be considered a travel? ruclips.net/video/vuS57BE5D6c/видео.html
I love this channel so damn much!
Coach i never commented on your channel before but I’m a long time subscriber....if you’re reading this, can you make a hour video on breaking down different freelances and basketball terminology and play calling for various teams to increase my basketball IQ more?
Thanks, Cameron! And that’s a good idea! Stay tuned for lots more coming up 👍🏀💪
"Coach" Nick and the return of the mummy (Ronnie Nunn) are full of shit. Specially his older videos. The amendment to the rules that introduces the "gather step" was created THIS YEAR, you can check. official.nba.com/new-language-in-nba-rule-book-regarding-traveling-violations/
Until now, the rulebook said you had 2 STEPS after finishing your dribble. Now with the gather steps, you can take 3. FIBA was faster than the NBA to acknowledge the new nature of the game and introduced the "gather" step in an amendment they made in 2017.
ruclips.net/video/KZu5iE7yrPI/видео.html
So what happened for years is that officials were no following the rulebook, probably under commands of the league commissioner, because the new rule allows more spectacular "selling" moves.
Each time Mummy Nunn and "coach" Nick were talking about the travel rule in the past, they were basically talking bullshit. That's why he tries so hard now with all this new travel videos.
Cheers!
@@OjoRojo40 The 2016 version of the NBA rule book, like all NBA rule books I've read it clarifies that the first step of the 2 non-travel steps players have begins "after gaining control of the ball." Any movement after an intended final dribble but before this official first step has commonly been referred to as a gather step for as long as I can recall. The NBA's new rule, as the link you provided states, "formally defines" what a gather step is. But informally it's been a part of basketball for a long time.
Link to the 2016 rule book: ak-static-int.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2016/11/2016-2017-Rule-Book.pdf
@@burner1303 Then why amend the text if it was so clear?
@@OjoRojo40 To make the rule explicit I'd assume. Because ignorant fans & media complain about traveling when they don't understand the traveling rules. Read the old traveling rules for yourself, the gather step has been an implied rule forever - that's why guys have done it forever.
You dont know how many times ive been called for traveling when my dribble was still live. Not even refs know the rules of gathering.
Drop3dlvl3 because the never was good at playing or had elite feet skills they just go off he say she says
carrying is different from traveling, you can't carry the ball mid dribble my dude. If your dribble was still live and you never gathered and you're getting called for it, that means your hand is turning under the ball and that's illegal...either that or the refs are just making blind calls. If you're talking about gathering then doing something then sure, but that't not what it seems like from your comment
@@xXSprMgaAwsmFxyHtXx but if he was carrying the ball the refs would call a carry not a travel
I relate. They just can’t handle your footwork bro 👌👌👌
I’m guessing you just suck, but yeah man it’s annoying as hell for us good players
Amazing explanation and demos. Also a great way for novices to understand how to execute moves and finishes better. Thx
The common misconception is "When you lift the Pivot foot, it's a travel"
Yes, it's when you lift your pivot foot and then take it back to the floor without shooting or passing.
OjoRojo40 didn’t know this. Thanks for the heads my guy 👌🏾
Dorian broke it down without being bias to his point. You can tell he studied a lot and not just making quick vids for views. This is Advancing the game into the future!
The reason why is cause Tre was dragging his other foot
Yeah looked obvious on the second angle.
dragged what foot?? if he has the gather, then the first step becomes his pivot foot, then he takes his second step, that original pivot foot then moves and before he puts it back down he jumps off the second foot and the ball is out of his hand. It doesn't matter if he doesn't necessarily pick his pivot foot off of the ground entirely it's more that he lost the technical pivot and the foot is in motion, he just can't jump off of the second and land with the ball in his hands or put his pivot foot back down before he jumps...idk how or where dragging his foot makes it a travel in this situation...
I just rewatched this in slow motion to make sure I'm not crazy and now you seem even more dumb, the foot he dragged was the gather foot, which is inconsequential given the fact that he's stepping into his pivot foot as it happens. The right foot is the pivot foot, so the left foot can do whatever the fuck it wants before and after that pivot foot is established
@@xXSprMgaAwsmFxyHtXx I think he drags his right foot on the 2nd step.
@@DrSamGalactic The point he's making is that when he's actually moving, he has his hand on the side of the ball. He's still gathering until the very end when he puts both hands on the ball. Prior to that, he could legally still dribble/put the ball down. That means his right foot at the end is his pivot, and none of the other stuff before mattered even though it seemed like it was after his last dribble. He was still technically dribbling until the point where he wasn't allowed to dribble any more (grabbing the ball with both hands.)
Super Mega Foxy Awesome Hot u sound dumb rule book says you can’t put your foot on floor in any way so dragging counts when he gathers he drags his foot twice after so this is a travel. 🤦🏾♂️
why I would think traes lay up is a travel. (where i play fiba rules apply)
for it to count as a gather step on a righty lay up, you'd have to dribble the ball the exact moment your left leg hits the ground, then you can gather the ball, right, left boom.
at least that's what it's like here in germany.
that's why i can't understand how it's not a travel when young gathers the ball and then continues to take 3 damn steps lol
Love Dorian's recommendation to demonstrate to the ref before the game if a borderline travel, but legal, move is being executed correctly.
I saw stephon marbury take one dribble from the three point line. When I did it they called travel
@Clifford your big red God that aint even hard tho
@Clifford your big red God yeah that ain't hard.. remember almost everyone is at least 6'3 most are above 6'5.. that's like a step and a half
Trae young’s move was clearly clean in real time and condonable in slow motion.
Spin step back is legit.
The reason why ppl think he travelled on 8:31 is because he leaps and leaves his pivot after the jump stop; he does not pivot after the jump stop. You can see his pivot foot leave the ground if you have the basketball eye.
Can you go over the “fake pro hop” @ 8:00 with an NBA referee? I heard in the rule book, you can not take off and land on the same foot for a gather.
13.25 I teach how to do that move legally, hop step from a crossover. Not so legal here.
Yup, you are correct. The fake pro hop is a travel in the NBA and since last year or two years ago in FIBA as well. In FIBA it used to be legal and there was a very common move called the Yugo, but it was made illegal. You can't, in ending your dribble, jump off one foot and land on the same foot.
The fake pro hop is legal, all that matters is when you gather the ball
I need the NBA commissioner Adam Silver to watch this asap
Don't we all??😂
14:55 just pinning this so when i do it irl and they call travel i show this
This is perfect. This would've saved me from do many arguments in the park back in the day! Lol
Very interesting. Imma pull out these moves at the park and have everyone trippin lmao. Then imma pull out this video on my phone and show em lmao
1. I would be okay with refs not calling violations that they aren't sure about. In this case, the ref made the call just because it "looked like". It's their mentality that gets me.
2. The "spin step back" looks like it'll destroy your own Achilles tendon, better not do it too often.
I think the reason people argue wrongly is that they don't know the rule itself, some fans never heard or understood the term "gather step" before, I know because I was one of them, not until I had a team sport basketball class in college that I got super interested in watching the NBA and then actually reading the rules. All I know before that is "the handler can't take 3 steps after a dribble," which is suuuperrr vague and confusing and too general, however, that "rule" works for people who didn't play the game in the first place.
I think it's an issue of misinformation in a general sense, rather than "when is the gather and when is the step" kinda question, which I know is only a concern when people who knew the rules argue about it, which is the point of the video.
Almost all "travel" arguments in the youtube comments can be dispelled by the "gather step." As far as I know.
that spin move into the up and under is wild. its insane that its legal cuz its 2 separate moves
you spin and take 2 steps just to get set for the up and under... in which u take ANOTHER 2 steps
My Thoughts - the pattern of dribbles to footwork is one of the best ways to fake out people and to create a variety of unique moves. This deals with the intensity of dribbling speed, intensity, and height (dealing with the ball) and with body direction and steps lengths (dealing with the body) - As far as the rules go; you put me on game with the initial dialogue. i didn't know that was the rules on what is a travel. There are so many small variations of finish moves (that are legal) that we haven't seen yet.
Coach Nick with the fresh kicks. I see you
great vid, dorian lee's understanding of timing the gather is spot on. not sure about his move at 15.10 because of many steps while the ball is connected to his hand. the rule says you can take as many steps in between dribbles "while the ball is not in your hand" i wouldnt argue if it was called a travel. any thoughts coach nick? i'll have to look into this one.
long jump stars finally get a chance to shine in basketball if you take 'pro hop' into context. Giannis would dominate the paint once he can do standing 'pro hop' about 5 feet of the rim and just posterize anyone under 6'9
BBALLBREAKDOWN X INTHELAB. I love it.
Coach Nick, explain the staggered landing on a jump stop when the ball is gathered late after the hop. Also pivoting after a jump stop. Shot Science did a short one a long time ago, but we gotta get these ones clarified pronto.
I also think the issue people including myself have or have had is that in literally every league except the NBA Euro and College, all of these moves would be called a travel instantly by any ref out there. Ive played ball since I was 11 and if I've been called for a travel so many times on similar moves that makes it so much harder to look at these moves and realise that they aren't travels. .000001% go to the NBA and experience these rules being enforced the way they should be, when in reality the rest of the world will never play anywhere where these moves will be considered legal in practice
I’m glad you mentioned that giant jump stop/pro hop, because I used to do that on the playground thinking I was slick and everybody was wildin out.
Coach, you gotta bring that tall dude to your future travel videos; his explanations are so clean 🧼 💪
OMG!!!!!!! Yo this is CRAZY!!!!!!
😂😂😂😂
I grew up playing in the same gym Dorian played and trained every day.
I use to think he was bullshett’n with some of his arguments on moves. Like the Skip Bayless of pickup basketball.
But now I see he believed all that Shitt he was doing.
No lie Dorian could Hoop though.
The thing about his moves. They were quick asHell!!!!
God Bless Dorian still doing it!!!!
Dam coach nicks shoe game is on point
Great video and info! Thanks to all of you, i learn something important!
@CoachNick I love this series and it clarifies few misconceptions i had on travel and gathering step, so a big thank. I will reiterate my suggestion though, will it be possible to do the analogy with FIBA rules and explain the differences if any. Thanks
Great video. Gonna share this with my football and baseball friends that complain whenever we watch basketball.
for about 6 years ive wondered if you had to jump off two feet or one foot after a pivot. thanks coach
"Refs are not the police, you can go them"
Lol one of the best things stated in this video
Question coach.
Does this apply with FIBA rules or just NBA?
Eru FIBA changed their travel recently, mimicking NBA rules
@@haroldz123 okay great
great video. there are lots of "legal" looking moves but when you change the direction or the way it looks even though you're doing the same amount of steps people are suddenly calling travel.
BINGO
Please please do the Lavine play from last night where he took one dribble from 70 feet and dunked it. EVERYONE on social media is calling it a blatant travel and I would like to see what you think of it
It's not a travel. Don't mind them Twitter trolls.
The lead up to the dunk wasnt a travel, but the steal mightve been.
Ive went over it in slow mo. It looks like he gathers the ball after tipping the steal and takes 2 steps before releasing the ball into a dribble. Youre only allowed 1
Great Series. There are many more new moves to discover.
Absolutely firing off the videos right now I love it
Again, really appreciate coach Nick taking the time and patience explaining this to the masses haha
Im not sure if this is right or not, but when he gathers the ball the left foot seems to plant on the ground simultaneously. This can bring us back to the move James Harden pulled which was covered on this channel a few weeks ago where he also gathers the ball and plants his foot simultaneously which allowed him to take 2 more steps afterwards.
the game has evolved the establishments havent or refuse too.it was the same way when the disallowed dunking @1 time.its all about CONTROL!
In any game of basketball, you are allowed two steps before travel is called. When a player has taken more than two steps without the ball being dribbled, a travelling violation is called. Travel can also be called via carrying or an unestablished pivot foot. If the pivot foot of a player changes or moves,...
Their definition of the gathering needs to include the hand pinning the ball to the wrist. Also the position of the hand on the ball is extremely important the top of the ball needs to be clarified more
On the pro hop as long as he terminates the dribble after he jumps then he can establish a pivot foot, if he does it before then he cant pivot
i love how they explain with the spin because i was doing that move since in the 90s and they asked me to correct that move. they called it travel.
Can you add a extra step back in a move if you use your first step to step back then shoot off one foot as your second?
8:47 he didn’t even establish any pivot foot, so he can step through with any foot if he wants too.
5:07 Coach you could've said, "I could hear them shaking their heads." xD
James Harden's step-back will never not be a travel in my book.
Beautiful series and that ref tip is top-notch
one of my fav moves is a hesi gather hopstep to the basket and people always say i travel. i always tell them its the same logic as jamal crawford's shake and bake, i just dont do it behind the back so i GUESS it looks "different" idk
Hi coach.. how about a 1 dribble pull up to the right with a left pivot foot..when is it a travel and when is it legal?
Some say you can't lift your pivot before ball touches ground?
Imagine the looks u would get if u did 13:20 during a pick up game and then telling them ots legal.
excellent. ball in the right hand, pivot on the right foot or lefthand/left foot looks legit , whereas any combination of lefthand/rightfoot or righthand/leftfoot looks illegal
The first one is a travel based on what you said, he took 3 and a half steps, once he passes the ball to his left that’s his 0 step then when his left hand and right both touch the ball at the same time his first step was with his left so he had to take an extra step in order to finish with his right
No
Kyrie for MVP this year
Thanks for fighting the good fight coach
Half step and a euro step is cool
He said they not the police 👮♀️ I’m weak lol 😂
please please discuss the legs dragging in this gather step layup
So when he does his spin move into the step back he talks about keeping the dribble live. He says if he puts his hand under the ball on the gather then his dribble isn’t live and can’t step back. On his roll crossover he puts his hand under the ball clearly. Doesn’t that make it a travel?
the hand isn't under the ball because if it was, then the ball wouldn't be spinning. It is literally impossible for the ball to keep spinning if your hand is actually directly under it. His hand was on the side which means the dribble hasn't ended, he can still legally take another dribble. the dribble ends when it stops spinning and that's when he goes into his 1-2. get it now?
Can you do a vid on offensive fouls like the push off cause people be pushin with that off arm all the time in pick up games
i hope you could do a video analyzing if lakers defense did improved.
This is a really good series. Going to teach my son how to take advantage.
do charge/block and off-arm hooks/grabs/bumps/etc. next. there is no shortage of confusion on those topics
Pickup basketball simulator: 0 1 2 step is a travel
Euro is a travel
Hop step is a travel
Step back is a travel
Literally everything you do is a travel
@13:23 couldn't he still take 1 more step? since the gather is when both hands are on it, then 2 more steps like eurostep?
0:16 Hello Tacko Fall
So everyone just gonna ignore coaches drip
Ok but is the gather step then 2 steps legal in high school and college?
ur best video in this series, Dorian is way better than the ref u have, but he kinda goes to fast....still need to show the actual rulebook on travel for these 3 different sitiations dorian says
Be Care, too many fights in pickups games Will be garanted after this vids.
The problem i had with James Harden finally Caught vid.... like Dorian just mentioned the dribble stopped when the ball touched his body. You guys never even mentioned the video. Stay true to the game, not the views. Love a lot of your points. Im in. Devin is possibly the Goat.
I understand that rules change throughout history, but allowing for a 'gather step' is silly. It's still a step and it used to be that you were allowed two. The ball bounces and then you take a step should be your first step, regardless of whether or not the ball has been firmly secured or "gathered".
I agree 100% with the 3 gents about learning the rules to broaden your understanding of the game (and exploitation of the rules, hehe). I also plan to incorporate some of these moves into my arsenal, an will be practicing them.
HOWEVER, I do NOT agree with Coach Dorian Lee that his move at 13:20 is not a travel. Why? I would agree his move is legal as long as he kept the ball facing downwards (or at most sideways) when he did his long "roll step". But he didn't. Coach Lee turned the ball slightly upwards, which by the strictest definition, is a carrying violation. And by carrying the ball, he has legally gathered the ball as per the latest clarification of the "zero" and "gather" steps by the NBA Board of Governors. Therefore, that long "roll" step is now a gather step, and he can only take one step after.
The "zero" step can only be considered as such if the player is allowed to legally dribble again after that step. But if he carries or palms the ball during that step, what makes that any different than his grabbing the ball with two hands?
If you try that pivot move in 3v3 somewhere in the balkans i guarantee there will be a fight if you don't give the ball up when they say travel
Coach Nick, you are doing great job. I dont know why it took to 2019 for someone to finally explain it :=)
When Coach Nick turns into a barn owl 11:33
Your welcome for the views lol I have been sending everyone who complains about me traveling in my videos to your video
on the late gather spin couldn't you still take 1 more step?
Loving the old school kicks coach!!
You did it again. You changed the music. Check ya in a month.
@ 7:06 couldn't he still take another step like 0 gather then 1 , 2 like eurostep?
"1:01" Nick: "'This is the traditional step and a half'..."
This doesn't remotely make any sense. "Step and a half..." was dead when the refs started allowing two (early 1970's) on drives, meaning that what was being allowed was "two steps and a half", though the rulebook took a while to catch up and pass what they then allowed.
Coach, please do breakdown of travelling calls on a first step before dribbling 🙏
Лёша Савельев forget it buddy, in NBA it’s too loose. In Russia and Europe there’s much less you can do out of triple threat. Even if he did - you won’t be able to use it
@@EvergreenWannabee Have you been watching the games this year.. That is being call SO MUCH this year. They arent letting players get away with lifting their pivot before releasing the ball
This a problem in pickup gyms. People call travel on moves they don't pay attention to
This really shows how bad mainstream sports media is. To them, if it looks like a travel at first glance, then it is definitely a travel 🤣
There's way more carries than travels nowadays. But tbh, lots of shit the NBA gets away with is called in Euro and FIBA