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A British perspective may shine a light on this. Coming from a smaller nation we’ve had to get used to being a ‘Junior partner’ to USA. When the SGC started making allies with tok’ra and Asgard they had to accept a junior role, this didn’t sit well at all but Hammond was humble enough to accept there were things Earth couldn’t handle, and refused to piss off his allies over the matter. The NID represents the factions of government that couldn’t accept a junior role, they arrogantly decided there was nothing they shouldn’t have and if they weren’t given it they’d take it by force. They grown so used to being the big player that they couldn’t cope with the idea of being told no.
Remind me of the first Mass Effect game. Humans not wanting to progress slowly but wanting to jump the gun every chance they got. Angering the rest of the other aliens on the Citadel.
Coming from an European country, I must say that most of my countrymen agrees that USA is one of the worlds most corrupt states. The almighty dollar means everything. And I'm sorry to say, NID is what I would imagine the SG1 would look like in the real world if USA got their hands of any technology like this.
@@AndyRoidEU you ever wonder why so much of the "science fiction" technology we see in shows like Star Trek, Become a Reality within a decade or 2? ever wonder how the heck we, in the 80's 90's and early 2000's Practically Hop Scotched from records to 8tracks to cassette tape to CD's to MP3's in the space of around just 15 years? how we went from bricks that could make phone calls from a car to personal pocket computers that can do almost anything in just over 20 years? and Considering how we flat out refuse to prioritize education in public schools, in favor of pointless memorization of useless facts and social engineering agendas, (the Woke Alphabet stuff), Just who is thinking up all these marvelous advancements?.......................... Ya, we got alien tech....................
The sad part I find is that some members actually did want what is good for humanity but the overarching power players wanted what is good for themselves or their (unknown) alien bosses. This led to a number of problems.
I mean the "alien bosses" bit didn't happen until the end of their tenure. Initially it was simple oversight of government secrets and the people in charge didn't think SGC under Hammond was doing things fast enough to protect and benefit Earth/the USA. The episode with Richard Woosley, who initially acted as counsel for NID when Hammond had to justify the continued existence of the Stargate program, actually made a lot of decent points. Several members of the SG-1 have been compromised by alien intelligences numerous times by that point and no real military institution would have continued with that level of risk. Point being, their was some truth to the NID's original goals of security oversight.
It is one thing to sit back after it is all done and figure stuff out and see why it all makes sense. But to think, plan, write stories and leave room for adjustment when you are producing 20+ episodes a season with all the pressure and random stuff happening during production is a true gift and sign of real talent. We shall be lucky to see this kind of writing and entertainment again in our life time. Oh wait... Unless this was a documentary....and they just added a little flash to it while they followed the real stargate program. I always thought the 100th and 200th episodes were them showing us what is really going on. There is a door in the mountain that says SGC...but it is a broom closet. What they don't tell you is there is a an entrance to the SGC but the door says broom closet :)
Stargate had so many plot points that it was hard to keep track of them all back when i first watched it.... thats why i watched it 6 more times over the years :D
The Shades of Grey episode you mentioned here in my opinion is one of the best acted episodes in the series. The debrief conversation/argument between Hammond and O'Neill was a thing of beauty as for the acting. You can see Hammond is having a real hard time accepting what he is hearing and even has his voice crack and his mannerisms are displaying real confusion and disbelief.
@@vaniellys this is definitely the one thing that makes me hesitant to rewatch SG1. It's such blatant military propaganda. But god the sci-fi storytelling is so good.
I always thought NID was like "National Interests Division". Since they mainly operate for the interests of the US rather than Russia or the other allies who know about the gate.
The National Intelligence Department, also known as the National Institute of Defense and commonly abbreviated to simply NID, is a civilian branch of the United States Government, which often comes into conflict with Stargate Command. Source: Stargate Wiki page Just putting out there. May not be cannon but I think it's the best guess for what it means.
It's not canon. "National Institute of Defense" is almost certainly wrong, based on Maybourne's initial introduction in "Enigma": MAYBOURNE: Colonel Maybourne, Sir. N.I.D. O'NEILL: Intelligence? What happened to Kennedy?
@@GateWorldDotNet That could just be Jack being cynically blunt as if saying "spin artist?" to someone from the PR department, or more like "public information officer."
A bit one sided view of the NID. Don't forget, it was Mayborn who brought in the troops to rescue the SGC in "Foothold" (granted, he was hard to convince), it was the NID operation to clone Goaulds with built in genetic weakness and took advantage of them to build a spaceship whose technology advanced the Prometheus project by years ("Nightwalkers") and the NID operation to plant a Goauld in a willing dying host results in the Goauld completing the hyperdrive engines on the Prometheus ("Prometheus") which then allowed SG-1 to save the Asgard in"Unnatural Selection". The NID was right to steal from the Tolan as they never did anything but need saving and the Asgard needed us more than we needed them. Also, Mayborn was forced to help the Russians as he still had offworld teams that had been cutoff from earth (leave no man behind is the motto, right?) So...very one sided portrayal.
Sure the NID has some good people working for them. All agencies do, but that doesn’t excuse the corruption of the organisation. The NID lost control of their gouald and would have been subverted from within without SG1. Their stealing of alien tech pissed off vastly superior allies, allies who would have taken back their stuff by force had O’neill Not shut them down. Continually their efforts to take stuff they couldn’t handle blew up in their faces.
I like that the examples you post had very bad consequences in most cases, and were morally reprehensible even from a North Korean perspective. Yeah they did advance tech, but also endangered several alliances that despite not having an initial yield was important for the SGC
@@SioxerNikita Of course they had bad consequences since SG1 are our heros everyone else must look incompetent. But imagine what the NID could have accomplished with Machello's mind switching device from "Holiday" (go to a Goa'ald world, grab a Jaffa and swap bodies etc.) especially if combined with the "Foothold" mind reading devices. An infiltration and spy organization like Maybourne was building makes a great deal of sense when dealing with a powerful enemy (if the Tok'ra think it's a good idea why not the NID? But it would mean a lot less action to base a series on so, they become the Rodney Dangerfield of the Stargate universe.
@@vincentbrown4926 The NID is not a good organization to do anything. It is an unaccountable organization. So they might be able to achieve some stuff. But more likely it wont benefit anyone really. The NID also steps on the toes of allies, because it cares little about diplomacy, so the NID would likely screw the entire project
I always kinda wondered if it was a joke or just kinda lazy writing the NID are just a two letter shifts to MIB... it’s a little on the nose but Star Gate does love to hang a lantern on their flaws.
Why were there so many star gates on earth? did they all have their own gate address or something I mean 3 gates seems weird given most worlds had one at most.
There were only 2. The gate uncovered in Egypt which had been brought by Ra, and the Antarctic gate left by the Ancients. IIRC the Egypt gate was taken aboard a Goa'uld mothership for reasons and that mothership later crashed in the Northern Pacific, so the SGC took the Antarctic gate from Area 51 and installed it at the SGC, the Russian military recovered the Egypt gate from the crashed mothership and started using it for their own operations, coordinating connecting and disconnecting the DHD from Egypt with SGC operations that were leaked to them by Maybourne (that DHD was later destroyed recovering Teal'c from the Stargate after a premature wormhole disconnection). The Antarctic gate was later destroyed by Anubis's weapon and the US military struck a deal with the Russians to bring the Egyptian gate back to the SGC.
The assumption is that after Ra discovered Earth by ship he placed a Stargate there (in Egypt) to help him occupy the planet and take slaves to Abydos. He would have been unaware that the Ancients also had a Stargate there millions of years ago, which had been lost in the ice of Antarctica.
Why am I not surprised it's an american group that would be against being at peace with the universe and only think about themselves.. haven't watched any Stargate yet but goddamn
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A British perspective may shine a light on this. Coming from a smaller nation we’ve had to get used to being a ‘Junior partner’ to USA. When the SGC started making allies with tok’ra and Asgard they had to accept a junior role, this didn’t sit well at all but Hammond was humble enough to accept there were things Earth couldn’t handle, and refused to piss off his allies over the matter. The NID represents the factions of government that couldn’t accept a junior role, they arrogantly decided there was nothing they shouldn’t have and if they weren’t given it they’d take it by force. They grown so used to being the big player that they couldn’t cope with the idea of being told no.
Remind me of the first Mass Effect game. Humans not wanting to progress slowly but wanting to jump the gun every chance they got. Angering the rest of the other aliens on the Citadel.
@@removefromme We've never really been the most rational species
So, to extend the British metaphor, they're the Brexiteers of SG.
@@removefromme yeah, but we showed them aliens. Humanity kicked ass and got it's way. Up until Reapers invaded Earth of course.
@@ThePCguy17that's blunt way of putting it lol
The NID is an accurate description of how the US government would manage the Stargate program if it existed in real life.
Coming from an European country, I must say that most of my countrymen agrees that USA is one of the worlds most corrupt states. The almighty dollar means everything. And I'm sorry to say, NID is what I would imagine the SG1 would look like in the real world if USA got their hands of any technology like this.
I think it's supposed to refer to NSA/CIA as it civilian organisation
You think it doesn't exist in real life...hahahah
Wait it doesn't exist?
@@AndyRoidEU you ever wonder why so much of the "science fiction" technology we see in shows like Star Trek, Become a Reality within a decade or 2? ever wonder how the heck we, in the 80's 90's and early 2000's Practically Hop Scotched from records to 8tracks to cassette tape to CD's to MP3's in the space of around just 15 years? how we went from bricks that could make phone calls from a car to personal pocket computers that can do almost anything in just over 20 years? and Considering how we flat out refuse to prioritize education in public schools, in favor of pointless memorization of useless facts and social engineering agendas, (the Woke Alphabet stuff), Just who is thinking up all these marvelous advancements?.......................... Ya, we got alien tech....................
the NID plot was a really good storyline.
i just watched every episode on netflix again, after watching this i can tell its had a lot of editing and im missing both plot and episodes
Yeah like the Kinsey assassination episode
Very well done. The history of the NID is quite convoluted and you did a great job of piecing it all together. Keep up the great work.
Thank you, Margery! This was was a bit of a beast to wrestle down.
Everything was going pretty good until they got infiltrated by the guoal
I’m only on season three episode five of Stargate Atlantis. So I finally get to watch it it is awesome I love the characters and the development.
I'm just now restarting the show for the first time it's weird going thru knowing everything lol
@@ShakinMilk
I know right but you always catch some thing you missed all the other times. Little things here and there
The sad part I find is that some members actually did want what is good for humanity but the overarching power players wanted what is good for themselves or their (unknown) alien bosses. This led to a number of problems.
I mean the "alien bosses" bit didn't happen until the end of their tenure. Initially it was simple oversight of government secrets and the people in charge didn't think SGC under Hammond was doing things fast enough to protect and benefit Earth/the USA.
The episode with Richard Woosley, who initially acted as counsel for NID when Hammond had to justify the continued existence of the Stargate program, actually made a lot of decent points. Several members of the SG-1 have been compromised by alien intelligences numerous times by that point and no real military institution would have continued with that level of risk. Point being, their was some truth to the NID's original goals of security oversight.
They missed an opportunity to make a meta joke by failing to name them the MILITARY INTELLIGENCE BUREAU, M.I.B.
It is one thing to sit back after it is all done and figure stuff out and see why it all makes sense.
But to think, plan, write stories and leave room for adjustment when you are producing 20+ episodes a season with all the pressure and random stuff happening during production is a true gift and sign of real talent.
We shall be lucky to see this kind of writing and entertainment again in our life time.
Oh wait...
Unless this was a documentary....and they just added a little flash to it while they followed the real stargate program.
I always thought the 100th and 200th episodes were them showing us what is really going on.
There is a door in the mountain that says SGC...but it is a broom closet.
What they don't tell you is there is a an entrance to the SGC but the door says broom closet :)
Stargate had so many plot points that it was hard to keep track of them all back when i first watched it.... thats why i watched it 6 more times over the years :D
The Shades of Grey episode you mentioned here in my opinion is one of the best acted episodes in the series.
The debrief conversation/argument between Hammond and O'Neill was a thing of beauty as for the acting.
You can see Hammond is having a real hard time accepting what he is hearing and even has his voice crack and his mannerisms are displaying real confusion and disbelief.
A very well done and detailed breakdown!
Thank you for watching!
I wouldn't be surprised if EXALT in X-COM was inspired by the NID.
Behind the scene (non-canon), it's an evolution of NRD: Not a Real Department
or the N.S.A. - No Such Agency ;)
Outstanding Job!
Thank you!
I hadn't realised that we were never told what NID meant
haha In Poland we have NID -> Narodowy Instytut Dziedzictwa it means National Heritage Institute
@@swiety1981
English translation for the three letter government agency would be NHI
@@chrisdelagarza8048 *NO*
Nuts In Deep
National Intelligence Division
I find it funny how this implies that only the *military* can ever be trusted to make peaceful contact with aliens.
Yeah, it's one of the reasons I prefer SGA. It's less military and USA centric.
@@vaniellys this is definitely the one thing that makes me hesitant to rewatch SG1. It's such blatant military propaganda. But god the sci-fi storytelling is so good.
@@JS-fp2rb Actually, I'm pretty sure only general Hammond and SG1 are that flexible. Everyone else seem nuke happy.
I think because they didn’t have a standard team
@@vaniellys You mean aside from the show still being US centric.
Thank you for this break down. This must not have been easy to do.
Thanks for watching, Neopulse! This one was a lot of work.
Man I KNEW Sen Ron Johnson reminded me of someone… turns out that guy’s actually Kinsey lol
Both despicable
Ronny Cox says that his portrayal was partly inspired by Utah Senator Orin Hatch.
Evil senile boomer energy 🤢
*Good production **#Darren**, thanks mate*
*Wish that **#DavidRead** from **#DialtheGate** would do these videos mate*
Glad you enjoyed it, James! This one was a lot of work.
@@GateWorldDotNet *Yeah I bet it was*
Great video!
Thanks for watching, James!
Within the german description of S4 Ep 15 on amazon NID is short for "National Intelligence Department".
Video about Kebb?
Good idea! I'll add it to the list. Kheb will come up in next week's video, too.
I can see an NID series as a Stargate spinoff series
Amazon might like an idea such as this to create a expanded universe of sorts
And it would probably be shit.
The ancient secret text at 8:30 says ‘actual words are hard to deciph so thisll work’. Ancients were bad at spelling apparently.
More Stargate content please.
Thanks for watching, Bill -- we have new Stargate videos every week!
I always thought NID was like "National Interests Division".
Since they mainly operate for the interests of the US rather than Russia or the other allies who know about the gate.
The National Intelligence Department, also known as the National Institute of Defense and commonly abbreviated to simply NID, is a civilian branch of the United States Government, which often comes into conflict with Stargate Command.
Source: Stargate Wiki page
Just putting out there. May not be cannon but I think it's the best guess for what it means.
It's not canon. "National Institute of Defense" is almost certainly wrong, based on Maybourne's initial introduction in "Enigma":
MAYBOURNE: Colonel Maybourne, Sir. N.I.D.
O'NEILL: Intelligence? What happened to Kennedy?
@@GateWorldDotNet That could just be Jack being cynically blunt as if saying "spin artist?" to someone from the PR department, or more like "public information officer."
These guy's remind me of the scp foundation the Chaos Insurgency.
Nice work. Solid.
Thanks for watching, russneho!
Good work
Was a huge fan of this show but I don't remember ever hearing what the abbreviation NID stood for.
7:25 god damnit Q why did you have harass jack as well
Damn, how many stargates were on Earth?
N.I.D.: Non-terrestrial Intelligence Division.
I thought it was National Intelligence Department .
I think of the Rouge factions like several dozen Crooked cops all in cahoots .
My dog stepped on a bee.
What is the N.I.D. ?
Let's keep the Tolan refugees 😩😏😞
Let's take Teal'c for scientific study 😩😏😞
Among those pulling Maybourne's strongs was senator Robert Kinsey 😩😏😞
It's like section 31 in startrek
And these guys have Q on their side.
Great intel gathering guys, you should be promoted soon enough.. anytime now.. loll 🤣
A bit one sided view of the NID. Don't forget, it was Mayborn who brought in the troops to rescue the SGC in "Foothold" (granted, he was hard to convince), it was the NID operation to clone Goaulds with built in genetic weakness and took advantage of them to build a spaceship whose technology advanced the Prometheus project by years ("Nightwalkers") and the NID operation to plant a Goauld in a willing dying host results in the Goauld completing the hyperdrive engines on the Prometheus ("Prometheus") which then allowed SG-1 to save the Asgard in"Unnatural Selection". The NID was right to steal from the Tolan as they never did anything but need saving and the Asgard needed us more than we needed them. Also, Mayborn was forced to help the Russians as he still had offworld teams that had been cutoff from earth (leave no man behind is the motto, right?) So...very one sided portrayal.
I suppose everyone is the hero of their own story!
Sure the NID has some good people working for them. All agencies do, but that doesn’t excuse the corruption of the organisation. The NID lost control of their gouald and would have been subverted from within without SG1. Their stealing of alien tech pissed off vastly superior allies, allies who would have taken back their stuff by force had O’neill Not shut them down. Continually their efforts to take stuff they couldn’t handle blew up in their faces.
I like that the examples you post had very bad consequences in most cases, and were morally reprehensible even from a North Korean perspective.
Yeah they did advance tech, but also endangered several alliances that despite not having an initial yield was important for the SGC
@@SioxerNikita Of course they had bad consequences since SG1 are our heros everyone else must look incompetent. But imagine what the NID could have accomplished with Machello's mind switching device from "Holiday" (go to a Goa'ald world, grab a Jaffa and swap bodies etc.) especially if combined with the "Foothold" mind reading devices. An infiltration and spy organization like Maybourne was building makes a great deal of sense when dealing with a powerful enemy (if the Tok'ra think it's a good idea why not the NID? But it would mean a lot less action to base a series on so, they become the Rodney Dangerfield of the Stargate universe.
@@vincentbrown4926 The NID is not a good organization to do anything. It is an unaccountable organization.
So they might be able to achieve some stuff. But more likely it wont benefit anyone really.
The NID also steps on the toes of allies, because it cares little about diplomacy, so the NID would likely screw the entire project
I always kinda wondered if it was a joke or just kinda lazy writing the NID are just a two letter shifts to MIB... it’s a little on the nose but Star Gate does love to hang a lantern on their flaws.
Why were there so many star gates on earth? did they all have their own gate address or something I mean 3 gates seems weird given most worlds had one at most.
There were only 2. The gate uncovered in Egypt which had been brought by Ra, and the Antarctic gate left by the Ancients. IIRC the Egypt gate was taken aboard a Goa'uld mothership for reasons and that mothership later crashed in the Northern Pacific, so the SGC took the Antarctic gate from Area 51 and installed it at the SGC, the Russian military recovered the Egypt gate from the crashed mothership and started using it for their own operations, coordinating connecting and disconnecting the DHD from Egypt with SGC operations that were leaked to them by Maybourne (that DHD was later destroyed recovering Teal'c from the Stargate after a premature wormhole disconnection). The Antarctic gate was later destroyed by Anubis's weapon and the US military struck a deal with the Russians to bring the Egyptian gate back to the SGC.
The assumption is that after Ra discovered Earth by ship he placed a Stargate there (in Egypt) to help him occupy the planet and take slaves to Abydos. He would have been unaware that the Ancients also had a Stargate there millions of years ago, which had been lost in the ice of Antarctica.
NiD is to SGC what Terra Prime was to Starfleet 😂
Everytime I hear NID 😡😡😡
Why am I not surprised it's an american group that would be against being at peace with the universe and only think about themselves.. haven't watched any Stargate yet but goddamn
if you haven't watched it then don't give your opinion when it's clear you just have something against America
@@niox1920 no lmao it's just that every film or tv show makes american military and government psycho
Kinsey reminds me of a sleepy president only without the dementia
Great video!