Look, you couldve just said the truth at the end. Scryer is objectively the best for everyone for the simple fact that you do not die falling off the elevator.
You forgot Hunter in your final list? I've heard mix reports, while AP slightly more damage, the crit is good for Hunter procs anyway. (shoulder enchants that is)
I'd definitely chose the Scryer because they have imposing buildings and clean red carpets while the Aldor only has shacks and hovels. (Alliance player.)
Another thing to consider is the recipes crafting needs to increase professions to 375. For instance I may be a melee dps but scryer offers an infinetly cheaper road to 375 weaponsmithing than aldor which requires an extensive amount of primlas.
I am playing Moonkin and I read/see I should go Scryer. But one should mention not only spec but their associated trade skills when choosing. I am LW and Tailoring and I believe it is still Scryer. Thoughts.
I heard someone say it may be worth picking aldor as a caster DPS for the enchants because the hit trinket from scryers would be replaced quick anyway. Like bruh, if you're exalted with the Zandalar tribe (I would if you're not) the enchants you can get with honor tokens is like the Naxx enchants, almost zero stat improvement.
honestly.... from what i remember.... scryer was spell dps, aldor was healer at the start then they changed enchants/rep items halfway through in order to essentially make it so that neither rep really gave a benefit over the other for any spec... bcuz i pretty much remember every caster dps going scryer
I have a legit question not a troll on the screen you have Dagger Rogue as Scryer with two ** on it but you say it should be Aldor was this an oops or should they be Aldor with daggers also? Thanks =)
The flypoint in shadowmoon valley is closer to the netherdrake quest area and BT entrance, also is the Aldor plateau much higher. If you fall you die and while questing you have to wait much longer.
On screen it said that danger routes should go scryer. But you said aldor when you talked through the list. Which one is it? I noticed the dagger rouges has 2 asterisks next to it. What was that for?
I scheduled it for 6:00 GMT but youtube fucked me over once again with some bs glitch. I upload just before americans get home from work so that the video has a chance to snowball just before the big zerg of viewers go onto youtube.
So if the only thing that “matter” is the pre raid bis, what about the pvp then? If I don’t plan to even glance at any raids direction and do BGs and arenas instead, can I just go wherever I want to without a second thought?
@@Rockmaster867 BT = Black Temple. The farm they're referring to is the non-elite Blood Elf mobs surrounding it since they're pretty weak and Paladins can group most of them up in one pull.
@@jarlfisk I'd be curious to see proof that either of those two dungeons providing 500g per hour. Realistically speaking, the way Paladins will make the most gold would be through boosting (Similar to that of a Mage in Classic)
@@jarlfisk 1.) When making gold guides or giving people advice on how to make gold, you can’t include the Auction House since it varies from server to server 2.) Can you make 500 gold from Stratholme? Sure. Per hour? Not consistently. There are several factors that play into a Paladin’s efficiency: a. Gear (This is the main one) b. Latency c. Consumables Used 3.) I highly doubt that Dark Runes will have any major part to play in gold making in TBC 4.) Boosting will only increase in prices - something that is likely to be consistent across all servers - since Mages can no longer efficiently do it, Paladins will be able to set the prices AND can do so for further into the game (Ramparts, Blood Furnace, etc.)
So, you say "Elemental shaman" go Scryer, and enhancement go aldor. What would you say to one that is going both an elemental and enhance shaman, who will respec back and forth. Mostly PVP Enhance, and PVE Ele.
ALDOR +15 Dodge (0.79%) +10 Defence (4.22) Block, Dodge, Parry, Miss = 0.17% Total = 1.47% SCRYER +10 Dodge (0.53%) +15 Defence (6.33) Block, Dodge, Parry, Miss = 0.25% Total = 1.53% Scryer's enchant is superior for tanking for Paladins and Warriors.
O.06 is a superior difference is it ? Or are you being sarcastic. Plus the numbers are totally different when you factor in talents that scale these percentages.
@@MetaGoblin “Superior” just means something is better than another. It’s not a gauge of how much better something is. So, yes, a 0.06% difference does mean that Scryer is superior.
@@MetaGoblin The only talents that directly affect Dodge and Defence are “Feral Swiftness” and “Anticipation” respectively. I’m not sure why you think the talents change anything in your favour… 1.) “Anticipation” provides +20 Defence Skill which in turn provides 0.80% increase to your Block, Dodge, Parry and Miss (Most notably your Dodge right now) in addition to increasing their base Defence Skill 2.) “Feral Swiftness” increases a Druid’s dodge chance by 4% which doesn’t “scale” the same way as a Paladin’s “Combat Expertise” and “Sacred Duty”
@@MetaGoblin It can even be argued both ways regarding Druids and whether they benefit more from Aldor or Scryer in terms of tanking… 1. The difference in Defence Skill is +2.11 with Scryer while dodge is +0.10% with Aldor a. Scryer would allow Druids the option to mix-and-match their gear easier without going below the Defence cap
great video! only thing i can speak differently about is feral druid tank should go scryers, only due to the def/dodge instead of the dodge/def from aldor. slightly more def allows for easier def cap for uncrittable, and allows the opportunity to swap out some higher def gear for more dodge/hit, making u even more of a beast :p (pun intended). but it's a toss up to personal playstyle and gear at the moments of use.
personally i think the nax enchant is better for feral druids. Plus aldor have so many good pre-raid rewards for druid tank especially from group quest rewards.
For Prot pally I would say scryer because of Thalodien's Charm necklace from teh scryer quest. There are other chest options but the other necks aren't as good
@@MetaGoblin ALDOR CHEST Defence - 19.41 (Block, Dodge, Parry, Miss = 0.78%) Dodge - 1% Total = 4.12% JADE-SKULL BREASTPLATE Defence - 10.55 (Block, Dodge, Parry, Miss = 0.42%) Block - 2.92% Total = 4.60% The Aldor chest is NOT BiS for Protection Paladins for crush immunity.
@@swiftjuice168 that was my first thought (along with the scryer gloves having the most preraid avoidance), but i still the aldor is the way to go because of the late game value of dodge
@@4squaremiles After doing some fact-checking for us, I’ve found that “Gauntlets of the Chosen” (Scryers reputation) are in fact inferior to “Dauntless Handguards” (Shattered Halls quest - “Fel Embers”) The latter of these provide an additional 0.20% mitigation while also providing 2.58% additional block percentage which is a Paladin’s best defensive stat. I’m not sure exactly what you mean by “late-game value of dodge,” but at the end of the day, “Vindicator’s Hauberk” actually provides less overall mitigation than “Jade-Skull Breastplate.” The conversion of block rating to block chance is 7.88 = 1% while the dodge rating conversion is 18.92 = 1%. “Jade-Skull Breastplate” - Total Mitigation = Approximately 23.18% “Vindicator’s Hauberk” - Total Mitigation = Approximately 22.69% At the end of the day, block rating is always the better choice for stats since Holy Shield is one our main abilities to generate threat and it requires a blocked attack to proc.
The only question I have after this is.... Is Bob really my uncle? I didn't know I had an uncle named 'Bob'. Why haven't I met him? Where does he live? so many questions now...
always scryer because you can just jump off the wall take minimal dmg and don;t have to wait for the fkin lift to get down...also is closer to the flight master lol
Given stat weights, Survival Hunters should absolutely go Scryer over Aldor 100% of the time for the additional crit rating. It makes that much of a difference.
Seems to me that the video could have been one minute long with the screenshot of the summary right from the start. In general if you're caster dps you go Scryer. Everything else is Aldor.
You're completely contradicting yourself from your video "10 WORST Mistakes You Can Make in TBC Classic" ruclips.net/video/PcAD2_xt42w/видео.html And you don't really acknowledge this or mention it in any way? Only that everyone else says something wrong.
Im going Scryer so I dont have to wait for the elevator.
Flying mount?
*cough* flying is in tbc *cough*
You can't fly until 70, but yes, once you get that, the elevator is pretty irrelevant.
You still need to use the Scyers elevator tho...
@@1991kessu you can jump from scryer plateau w/o taking lethal damage.
I want the epic mage ring!!! If you've never seen "Jimmy a Warcraft Story" you should. Great video!
I’m a chargin’ my fireball.
@@mbyrne2855 Don't do it Jimmy!
Look, you couldve just said the truth at the end.
Scryer is objectively the best for everyone for the simple fact that you do not die falling off the elevator.
but the elevator is like a ritual! it weeds out the unworthy that don't know how elevators function xD
lmao truth!
I don’t die from that because rogues are savage
My shoulders can’t decide
:))) love that youtube hasn't changed it in the thumbnail
Ty 4 all the videos mg
You should have mentioned that the Scyer rep is much much easier to farm.
Not only that, but with most people going Aldor it will also be cheaper.
which is why as belf prot pally I will be going Scryer
aldor is way easier to farm though lol, hyperspawn all day
You forgot Hunter in your final list? I've heard mix reports, while AP slightly more damage, the crit is good for Hunter procs anyway. (shoulder enchants that is)
He says it verbally at the end of the final rundown in the vid, Hunters = Aldor
short answer: doesnt matter, long answer: doesnt matter
Never aldor because fuck alliance
@@garygood6804 That makes absolutely no sense. Neither of them are afilliated with Horde, nor Alliance.
@@rendigmor yet aldor are a bunch of draenei. This is objectively true. I just proved you wrong. This is objectively true.
@@garygood6804 You sound like you've never one a single argument in your entire life.
@@Makakikishk wrong. Stop projecting.
I'd definitely chose the Scryer because they have imposing buildings and clean red carpets while the Aldor only has shacks and hovels. (Alliance player.)
Lists every single class and spec. Doesn't list Hunter. Is this Hunter discrimination?
Another thing to consider is the recipes crafting needs to increase professions to 375. For instance I may be a melee dps but scryer offers an infinetly cheaper road to 375 weaponsmithing than aldor which requires an extensive amount of primlas.
I am playing Moonkin and I read/see I should go Scryer. But one should mention not only spec but their associated trade skills when choosing. I am LW and Tailoring and I believe it is still Scryer. Thoughts.
I heard someone say it may be worth picking aldor as a caster DPS for the enchants because the hit trinket from scryers would be replaced quick anyway. Like bruh, if you're exalted with the Zandalar tribe (I would if you're not) the enchants you can get with honor tokens is like the Naxx enchants, almost zero stat improvement.
honestly.... from what i remember.... scryer was spell dps, aldor was healer at the start then they changed enchants/rep items halfway through in order to essentially make it so that neither rep really gave a benefit over the other for any spec... bcuz i pretty much remember every caster dps going scryer
Wouldn't Aldor be better for spriests since crit isn't as important as hit?
There's a hit cap. Anything beyond 76 hit doesn't help you and you can get your hit from elsewhere.
I love it when he says, Bob's your uncle. Then I go looken for my uncle, but his name is david.
I have a legit question not a troll on the screen you have Dagger Rogue as Scryer with two ** on it but you say it should be Aldor was this an oops or should they be Aldor with daggers also? Thanks =)
I'll go Scryer... because they have the coolest tabar
The flypoint in shadowmoon valley is closer to the netherdrake quest area and BT entrance, also is the Aldor plateau much higher. If you fall you die and while questing you have to wait much longer.
what i gathered from the picture is caster dps go scryer everyone else go aldor. the only exception is dagger rogues, you go scryer too.
What about the spell threads? Are those somehow learnable without exalting either faction?
Leatrix auto quest made my rogue pick aldor lol
Made my shadow priest pick aldor as well
@@Giliver aldor best pick confirmed :D
@@darrenegan3891 it unintentionally worked out 👍
you said on the video it self dagger rogue go aldor but on the image on screen it says scryer
On screen it said that danger routes should go scryer. But you said aldor when you talked through the list. Which one is it? I noticed the dagger rouges has 2 asterisks next to it. What was that for?
he meant scryer for dagger rogues, honestly I don't think it matters, There are much better weapons in Karazhan than the ones from exaulted
7:37 you say dagger rogues should go aldor, but it says scryer on the sheet?
and can you explain why dagger rogues should be different than sword?
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@@witness1008 Exalted with Scryer gives an 81 dps dagger, whereas Aldor gives an equivalent sword.
Love the skyrim music. Gets nostalgic
Fits quite well with WoW too ofc :D
Why would you upload at 1am est? ;-; I was just about to go to bed.
I scheduled it for 6:00 GMT but youtube fucked me over once again with some bs glitch. I upload just before americans get home from work so that the video has a chance to snowball just before the big zerg of viewers go onto youtube.
Ty for the help and information my dude, great vid
Where is the back ground music from? Ive heard it before and cant put my finger on it... Gw2?
would i be making a huge mistake going scryer on my hunter I LOVE THE TABARD AND I HATE THE ALDOR ONE
So if the only thing that “matter” is the pre raid bis, what about the pvp then? If I don’t plan to even glance at any raids direction and do BGs and arenas instead, can I just go wherever I want to without a second thought?
When people post videos describing the critical choice of faction. They are simply inflating self promotion. Thank you for a sincere look.
for a enchanting tailoring holy priest what is the best option?
so BM Hunter would be Aldor just to be clear.
wow early for once. also my pally is going scryer regardless of the shoulder enchants just so I can farm BT for gold.
enjoy that sweet BT gold that 100+ pallies will stand in line to farm lol, no way you'll be able to get any of it
What is BT?
@@Rockmaster867
BT = Black Temple. The farm they're referring to is the non-elite Blood Elf mobs surrounding it since they're pretty weak and Paladins can group most of them up in one pull.
@@jarlfisk
I'd be curious to see proof that either of those two dungeons providing 500g per hour.
Realistically speaking, the way Paladins will make the most gold would be through boosting (Similar to that of a Mage in Classic)
@@jarlfisk
1.) When making gold guides or giving people advice on how to make gold, you can’t include the Auction House since it varies from server to server
2.) Can you make 500 gold from Stratholme? Sure. Per hour? Not consistently. There are several factors that play into a Paladin’s efficiency:
a. Gear (This is the main one)
b. Latency
c. Consumables Used
3.) I highly doubt that Dark Runes will have any major part to play in gold making in TBC
4.) Boosting will only increase in prices - something that is likely to be consistent across all servers - since Mages can no longer efficiently do it, Paladins will be able to set the prices AND can do so for further into the game (Ramparts, Blood Furnace, etc.)
Quick, snappy and direct answers? That'll be a sub.
Shoulder Enchants - "Not worth talking about". Proceeds to spend literally half the video talking about them.
bahahaha xD
So, you say "Elemental shaman" go Scryer, and enhancement go aldor.
What would you say to one that is going both an elemental and enhance shaman, who will respec back and forth.
Mostly PVP Enhance, and PVE Ele.
@@hackintosh3899 I mean, I play enhance now with a near 1k dps lol. Although thank you for the advise.
You didn't mention hunters. 😞
really Helpful!Tnx
Dude were are the Hunters ?
He said aldor but forgot to put it on screen
Can you change your pick I think I picked scryer on my hunter just spamming threw quest dialog
Yea but you need to grind even more since it lowered your rep with the other
but... what is Aldor and Scryer?
What is google?
Summary/Answer at 6:45
main reason for picking scryer or aldor is not gear or enchants, but whether your enchanter or jewcrafter
Could you explain why?
So if I'm BS I dont really need to care as much?
You should go Aldor as Paladin - forget about initial difference, when phase 5 would be available Aldor gives items with SPD and you want them.
why enhance and resto shaman aldor?
thanks for the help
im going aldor because i like draeneis.
Jc aldor enchant scy also dagger scy sword aldor. My priest aldor benefits heal and shadow rogue aldor
ALDOR
+15 Dodge (0.79%)
+10 Defence (4.22)
Block, Dodge, Parry, Miss = 0.17%
Total = 1.47%
SCRYER
+10 Dodge (0.53%)
+15 Defence (6.33)
Block, Dodge, Parry, Miss = 0.25%
Total = 1.53%
Scryer's enchant is superior for tanking for Paladins and Warriors.
O.06 is a superior difference is it ? Or are you being sarcastic.
Plus the numbers are totally different when you factor in talents that scale these percentages.
@@MetaGoblin
“Superior” just means something is better than another. It’s not a gauge of how much better something is. So, yes, a 0.06% difference does mean that Scryer is superior.
@@MetaGoblin
The only talents that directly affect Dodge and Defence are “Feral Swiftness” and “Anticipation” respectively. I’m not sure why you think the talents change anything in your favour…
1.) “Anticipation” provides +20 Defence Skill which in turn provides 0.80% increase to your Block, Dodge, Parry and Miss (Most notably your Dodge right now) in addition to increasing their base Defence Skill
2.) “Feral Swiftness” increases a Druid’s dodge chance by 4% which doesn’t “scale” the same way as a Paladin’s “Combat Expertise” and “Sacred Duty”
@@MetaGoblin
It can even be argued both ways regarding Druids and whether they benefit more from Aldor or Scryer in terms of tanking…
1. The difference in Defence Skill is +2.11 with Scryer while dodge is +0.10% with Aldor
a. Scryer would allow Druids the option to mix-and-match their gear easier without going below the Defence cap
Dagger rogues aldor or scryer?
aldor
My friend told me look mainly at the shoulder enchants all those years ago ahahaha. Aldor tank lyf
great video! only thing i can speak differently about is feral druid tank should go scryers, only due to the def/dodge instead of the dodge/def from aldor. slightly more def allows for easier def cap for uncrittable, and allows the opportunity to swap out some higher def gear for more dodge/hit, making u even more of a beast :p (pun intended). but it's a toss up to personal playstyle and gear at the moments of use.
personally i think the nax enchant is better for feral druids. Plus aldor have so many good pre-raid rewards for druid tank especially from group quest rewards.
@@MetaGoblin very true
Both my classes, hunter and prot paladin Aldor thanks😂
When is the video of (THE LIES!!) coming out?
My BE paladin is going scryers for convenience, since scryers have a master enchanting trainer.
why dagger rogue scryer?
For Prot pally I would say scryer because of Thalodien's Charm necklace from teh scryer quest. There are other chest options but the other necks aren't as good
personally i prefer aldor since the chest pieces is essential for getting the crushing blow cap early for nightbane.
@@MetaGoblin
ALDOR CHEST
Defence - 19.41 (Block, Dodge, Parry, Miss = 0.78%)
Dodge - 1%
Total = 4.12%
JADE-SKULL BREASTPLATE
Defence - 10.55 (Block, Dodge, Parry, Miss = 0.42%)
Block - 2.92%
Total = 4.60%
The Aldor chest is NOT BiS for Protection Paladins for crush immunity.
@@swiftjuice168 that was my first thought (along with the scryer gloves having the most preraid avoidance), but i still the aldor is the way to go because of the late game value of dodge
@@4squaremiles
After doing some fact-checking for us, I’ve found that “Gauntlets of the Chosen” (Scryers reputation) are in fact inferior to “Dauntless Handguards” (Shattered Halls quest - “Fel Embers”) The latter of these provide an additional 0.20% mitigation while also providing 2.58% additional block percentage which is a Paladin’s best defensive stat.
I’m not sure exactly what you mean by “late-game value of dodge,” but at the end of the day, “Vindicator’s Hauberk” actually provides less overall mitigation than “Jade-Skull Breastplate.” The conversion of block rating to block chance is 7.88 = 1% while the dodge rating conversion is 18.92 = 1%.
“Jade-Skull Breastplate”
- Total Mitigation = Approximately 23.18%
“Vindicator’s Hauberk”
- Total Mitigation = Approximately 22.69%
At the end of the day, block rating is always the better choice for stats since Holy Shield is one our main abilities to generate threat and it requires a blocked attack to proc.
@@swiftjuice168 annoyingly (for belfs) dauntless come from an alliance quest
Thanks that cleared my question.scryer for me {mage}
It didn't matter then, and it doesn't matter now.
It does matter. You can survive jumping off the scryer elevator, but not the aldor, so scryer is the best
@@highviewbarbell XD
Erm Shadow priest needs SP over Crit and the trinket not amazing from Scryer. I would say Aldor more useful for SP
Thanks Uncle Bob
Love the skyrim song
Thank you :)
thank you sir
Give the Hunter some love, Where di we go?
erm.. so is dagger rogue aldor or scryer ?
aldor
Good info but didn't include hunter so wasted my time.
I choose The Aldor. (Tauren Shaman)
The only question I have after this is.... Is Bob really my uncle? I didn't know I had an uncle named 'Bob'. Why haven't I met him? Where does he live? so many questions now...
trauma can make you repress memories maybe its best not to ask these questions buddy :(
OMG TY SO MUCH, This just Confirmed my believes and decision
I miss the Fable music in your videos
And here is me...going Aldor because my main will be a draenei xD
what a guide ty for this
focus on having enchant on saph in nax...easy to say XD
always scryer because you can just jump off the wall take minimal dmg and don;t have to wait for the fkin lift to get down...also is closer to the flight master lol
Its all about the tabard tbh
if your rp lunatic like myself... its easy... if your horde... go scryer.. if your alliance... go aldor
Truth is Sapph > Aldor/Scryer for most specs
thats only true if you can down him... there are still plenty of people who cant
Ya dude my guild reformed alot of people stopped playing after bwl but yes saff is better in most cases
Useful!
Shoulders go where shoulders want
always can trust you on the topic Goblin, Goblins best race in all of WoW
skip to 7:00
GOOD JOB!
I guess not worth to go Scryer as a Draenei :)
Hunter Aldor, got it
Thank Yo
as a mage should i go aldor or scryer? :(
Scryer, no doubt
Casters go aldor if they minmax
Given stat weights, Survival Hunters should absolutely go Scryer over Aldor 100% of the time for the additional crit rating. It makes that much of a difference.
Seems to me that the video could have been one minute long with the screenshot of the summary right from the start. In general if you're caster dps you go Scryer. Everything else is Aldor.
Yeah but of I made a video like that I would get fcked over by the algorithm and the video would get like 200 views 🤣
Bob’s your Uncle!
no mention of SSO necks then? lol
be scryer
less repaircost
profit
you typo the title
It was on purpose
@@Jive33 it actually wasn't on purpose but that's hilarious
@@MetaGoblin
Haha well it was a happy accident for sure!
you forgot to tell us why each spec wants to to go a certain faction
If the shoulder enchants weren't worth talking about why you talk about them so much lol
You're completely contradicting yourself from your video "10 WORST Mistakes You Can Make in TBC Classic"
ruclips.net/video/PcAD2_xt42w/видео.html
And you don't really acknowledge this or mention it in any way? Only that everyone else says something wrong.
Scryer always scryer because fuck alliance
Aldor is better but Scryer is cheaper. So all the lazy people pick Scryer.