Why did God create Satan and allow him to sin?
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- Опубликовано: 25 фев 2020
- On April 30, 2019, there was a shooting in a UNC Charlotte classroom. Two people died and four were injured. The following semester Dr. Frank Turek and Dr. Rice Broocks went to UNC to minister to the hurting students and to answer their questions. Here is Frank’s answer to a question about Satan which goes to the very heart of why there is evil at all.
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@@thenetisthebeast6910 love the username
I had the same thought when he said that!
Nailed it. You put in words exactly what I felt when he talked about paradise lost in Genesis.... Awesome.
.-1) If God wasn`t forced to created?
2) And God know beforehand he created he will create something he doesn`t want (sin) and due to his will of creating that most mankind will be doomed to eternal suffering in hell?
3) And If God don`t want that people to be in eternal pain.
4) This God won`t create something in the first place...
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Yes!!! You brought the original theme music back!! Thank you!!
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Yeah it sounds better for sure.
Thankyou Jesus For Redeeming Us Through Your Blood , Bless Your Holy Name
**1) If God wasn`t forced to created?
2) And God know beforehand he created he will create something he doesn`t want (sin) and due to his will of creating that most mankind will be doomed to eternal suffering in hell?
3) And If God don`t want that people to be in eternal pain.
4) This God won`t create something in the first place...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Thank you, Jesus, for 'redeeming' us from Jesus's folly? God's creation, Satan, rendered every man a sinner!
Probably one of the most difficult thing to understand and accept.
But even though it's real tough to accept, God is right, he gives me freedom but also give freedom to "bad people", that's the only way love can exist, there must be a choice between good and evil. That's the whole point of our short life on earth
When you have a choice between two actions and thats it, that's a choice. But when you have a choice where one option is followed by an eternity of torture, that is not a choice; it's coercion.
@@amethyst7468 Well if you try to follow God's words because you're afraid of what's going to happen to you, when you face him on judgement day, after your death, that's actually a very good thing ! It means you still have a soul and a conscience. Just understand that people who commit crimes, or wrong actions, and evil everyday, even Satan and his fallen angels who do know what's waiting for them still sin and throw the finger at God. They don't care about going to Hell forever because they hate the light, the truth and the love.
May be at the moment you think God is bad and cruel but I assure you that you're wrong.
Just remember how angry you were at your father when he would forbid from doing certain thing to protect you. You were angry because you were not experienced enough, and didn't have the knowledge to understand.
God is always right, he never makes mistakes and all the things he does not want us to do, it's mainly to protect our soul and well being. There's a lot of things that are beyond our reach, which we can simply not understand and that's where we have to trust him. At some point "coercion" either transform into "trust" and "faith" or "anger".
I hope you will make the right choice, but rest assured being afraid of God is a good thing. I was scared of my father as well who loved me very much when I was a kid, and with time I understood it was good. He educated me very well so that I was able to behave well and thrive in my adult life. I'm a father now and I show love to my kid but also authority ! You cannot raise a child without rules to respect. It's the same relationship with God. The only difference is God never makes mistakes, he's the perfect father, but we do !
The moment in your life when you are not scared anymore about the consequences of your actions on earth, then you're lost !
@@steven7846
That was not my point. I was saying that one of the many reasons the free will argument falls short is because if you believe in heaven and hell, then it is not choice bit coercion.
@@amethyst7468 well then you have not understood my answer :) sorry can't help
@@steven7846
It's not that I have not understood your answer; it's that I don't see how that answers my question. If it did, please enlighten me on how.
It sounds so arrogant to me when mere mortals have the audacity to judge God's plan when we can't even comprehend the utility of a blackhole.
Lucifer and Adam both were created as a possibility (superposition as they say in quantum physics). It’s the true freedom both were given from God and the measurement of the actions done with that freedom that will collapse such possibility into reality either as good or evil.
The real question should be instead “ Why did God then create creatures with possibilities when He can have creatures without them?” The answer is creation without such free will would have been meaningless. Only with contrasts that value is seen and appreciated. Fish for example doesn’t recognize the concept of water for all of its life lived in one. How lucky (or unlucky depending on your measurement) for the homo sapiens to be chosen for such a heavy task, to witness and marvel on this astounding creation of God and to do so out of our own free will. Praise to God the mighty who is the one and only entity worthy of worship.
@@mohammadsalman57 Amen to everything you said
well you have to admit if god has a plan it's pretty crappy for US at this moment in history, basically it says we are to be sacrificed for some greater good that will come at some unspecified time in the future, great in the long term but fk all use to me now, eh? and i don't think it's in the least arrogant to expect my creator to be at least as moral as me, i have not and will not, ever drown a baby cos i'm incompetant and can't think of a better way of resolving a problem, but god not only LOSES CONTROL of humans, but his go to solution is "drown the buggers", after specificly stating "thou shalt not kill". the least he could've done is poof us out of exisrtance and started over, he did it once, no? just wipe the slate, keep the drunk if you want, but DROWN everyone? ffs.
god is pretty crap at pretty much everything imhp.
@@HarryNicNicholas How an omnipotent being can 'LOSE CONTROL' if the concept of Free Will is applied in the first place? We are the ones sabotaging ourselves. All these injustices, the suffering, this whole system and religions we've established... it's on us.
@@HarryNicNicholas Let me break it down... God does not force anyone to do anything; If you love God you live by his word; If you live by his word you don't want to sin; if you don't want to sin then there is no need for sin and the kingdom of God is a place free from sin hence you were never forced into his kingdom. You chose to live by his word and that's all God wants you to do. That is why Jesus came to call the sinners to repentance because God loves us so much that he wants as much of his children into his kingdom as possible but he will not force anyone he wants us to prove ourself by fighting against temptation but if you don't want that for yourself then how can God bring you to his Kingdom? The choice is yours
How can we have free will if god already knows what were going to do?
In fact, God says that He is Love. In fact the Book of Psalms does talk about God's Love being Everlasting. Why wouldnt God just forigive mankind regardless of what he has done and take everyone back in heaven? Now thats where the concept of good and bad fails. What exists is your perception. There are philosophies about good and bad being inside the Divine Himself. That gives a more convincing explanation about the true nature of reality.
Logical fallacy. If I know that you're going to gym tonight - does it mean you do not have free will? Am I the one who decide you should going to gym, or it was you? Questions like yours looks like smart but they aren't. And here is the main atheistic line - "seem" but not "be". Dissapointing.
@@duelist43Free will is just an illusion in this case. It seems like the choice was free, but in reality, they didn’t have the ability to pick the contrary choice because the fact they were going to the gym was fixed
If there is a God, he's sick, twisted, and Evil and no excuse will explain what he allowed to happen to my ancestors.
And where are those ancestors now?
Lets take it a step further- why did God create evil and the knowledge of both good and evil on that tree?
God did not create evil, evil is an absence of God.
God DID create evil. In genesis it says I create peace and make evil I make light and form the darkness I make peace and create evil. It says god creates evil right there!
@@WonderlustThing God is NOT the author of evil. The quote you share is from the KJV translation, it is talking about physical disaster and the like. Moral evil is uncreated, it is a result of mans fall. “I make peace and create calamity”-NKJV “I am He who prepared light and made darkness, who makes peace and creates troublesome things.”-OSB
This is the problem with sola scriptura, it lead’s people astray when they have no ecclesiastic authority.
Whatever is going on between those two, it continues today, and it definitely involves us, here. This "stage" works too perfectly to be out of chaos. So, the matter of individual choices seems very prominent in the scheme of life.
Free will. Freedom has a price. Just take a look at the world.
Indeed. With the freedom to love comes the freedom to hate.
Evangelist Kim Patrik I have taken a look at the world. I have no idea what you are talking about. Well, I have some idea, but it doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense.
@@n.holt7 Are you free to choose who you love? Have you chosen to love your mother?
I'm sure you will have freely chosen to be with your partner, but have you chosen to want to be with her or him? If that were true, marriage counselors and divorce lawyers would soon be out of business.
@@hansdemos6510 Hello again.
Freedom comes with a price. Given the fact that it is written in the context of a video talking about free will it probably means that freewill has a price. In other words with the freedom to love comes the freedom to hate. For example freedom of speech gives people the ability to do great good with their speech or the could use it to say some not so nice things. Freedom comes at a price but then again so does everything else.
@@hansdemos6510 Yes.
Yes.
I have no partner but if I did I would yes.
Not everyone chooses to love their partners or they change their minds sadly. That is the point they are free to change their mind. I wish everyone chose to love but sadly that isn't the case.
Lucider was a perfect angel. Where would he even gotten the idea and concept of pride to rebel in the first place? A computer can't do something if it is not programed to have it.
Well said. And if he was so intelligent, then why challenge an unbeatable entity?
@@emmitbrown5631yeah it doesn’t make sense to me. Yeah WHY challenge an unbeatable entity if you knew you were going to lose. Like if god is omniscient then why would he even create Lucifer and endow him with freewill. Like what.
@@WonderlustThingIf he created Lucifer without him having free will, wouldnt you think its weird how God is basically forcing his angels to be perfect because they have no freewill therefore have no power to make theyre own decisions? In that case, lucifer and all of Gods angels would literally be robots… Wheres the Love in that?
@@ka1iqe0 😵💫uhm mm 🫤
But if Satan is damn evil, why the hell would god allow him to be down here with us!??? Why not send him to a different universe?
We invited Satan into our world by Adam and Eve eating the fruit.
God granted Satan the possibility to access this world only if Adam and Eve approached the tree. To approach the tree and eat the fruit was their choice.
@@chris-nj3vg
But according to the story the devil disguised as a snake was the one to convince eve to eat the fruit
@@chris-nj3vgUm wrong! He was obviously already here if he was the one tempting them lol
Still no excuse I mean do you let a drug addict live with your children just because they invited him? Sure not
I am a Christian but I knew he would talk around the question.
*1) If God wasn`t forced to created?
2) And God know beforehand he created he will create something he doesn`t want (sin) and due to his will of creating that most mankind will be doomed to eternal suffering in hell?
3) And If God don`t want that people to be in eternal pain.
4) This God won`t create something in the first place...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Doesn't this mean God indirectly created the concept of sin?
God gave his creatures the potential to disagree with Him, essentially.
@@harriedsloth4399what about miscarried babies who are sent to heaven? Where was their opportunity to reject God?
@@drummerconz682 There are exceptions. Another exception would be people with severe intellectual disabilities, babies, toddlers, & children.
I don't exactly know God's thoughts on "age of accountability". As early as ~ 200 A.D., The Talmud makes reference to children becoming daughters and sons of the commandments, a.k.a. Bat/Bar Mitzvot, at the age of 12 for girls and 13 for boys. This is rabbinic commentary, as opposed to holy scripture, where age of accountability is not referenced.
I appreciate how Frank focuses on cause-and-effect. Scripture attest to the ultimate “cause” of “evil” is the Creator - God, Himself.
Is. 45:7 (KJV) says
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things
This begs the question, “Why?” Why would a gracious, loving, compassionate and “just” God “create evil” as, “Thus sayeth the Lord declares,” be both known and understood” by His creatures for who He is and what He is like.
Hence, how could we know, appreciate and value His character had not we were first subjected to injustice / evil. Consequently, so we then “can choose,” to “embrace freedom & grace.” Having first been subjected “to a lie,” which leads to shame and disgrace?
God: Is supposedly omniscient - hence has the knowledge of which souls are going to end up in hell after judgement.
God: *still creates those people - who essentially only exist to ultimately suffer in hell*
God: *claims ‘free will’ is the cause*
Yeeeep, it seems pretty realistic hahahahah:) almost like a fight between goku and vegeta.
What unchanging moral authority that can provide unchanging moral laws that is binding on humans say that it’s wrong to create people who will freely choose to go to Hell even though you know they will freely choose to go to Hell
@@MatteoBiagiotti no its actually GOD VS HIS OWN EVIL FORCE SPIRITS HE CREATED IN CONTROLS IT'S DEFINITELY NOT GOD VS HUMANS
@@coobest6416 no one “freely chooses hell” , that’s the most obscene thing I’ve ever heard. Hypothetically speaking , lets say for the sake of argument that hell is real, and billions are being tormented, day and night, in constant inconceivable pain, no one can possibly enjoy that, as an all powerful God specifically “programmed and designed” hell in such a way that no one can possibly “enjoy it.”Why do I say this you ask, because you claim people chose hell, yet there’s not a single person in all of human existence that if they spent just 1 minute burning in hell, suffering in unfathomable pain, that they would say “yea I definitely want to chose this place over heaven”, even if they despise God with all their heart, it is logically impossible for anyone to ever “willingly choose hell for eternity” if they were in it for even 5 seconds, as this wicked realm was deliberately designed by God so that every person in it suffers unbearable torment. To condemn someone for all of eternity in such a wicked place, for a crime no bigger then not believing in the right god, because they supposedly “chose hell” is probably one of the most idiotic , illogical arguments I’ve ever heard.
@@user-nz6uq8kh2o heaven is being with God, hell is being away from God
you say people would never choose hell? you can see proof of it right here on earth of people choosing to be away from Him
A better question is why does Satan have the powers to inflict suffering and influence people’s minds supernaturally?
The Bible says that Satan “The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.” See 2 Cor 4:4. The Bible also says, “greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world.” No one comes to God except though Jesus and this is wrought through the convicting ministry of the Holy Spirit.
@@g.alistar7798So this is a cosmic game God came up with? He plays a game with peoples eternities? Allowing an evil entity to “blind” people? It’s so diabolical
@@user-fc2zb9po8t Two thoughts, first God is the sovereign creator….we should always be respectful of the silence of God as His ways are higher than ours and God is Holy. Second, a more detailed explanation that includes more than why God allows Satan to blind but why evil(and it’s manifestation, sin) is allowed to exist in God’s plan for His creation. Evil exists for several reasons: 1. Free will…God wants us to love and choose Him, not robots forced. IF there is no evil, there is no choice, 2. Acquisition of knowledge of God’s plan and divine knowledge…if there is no sin or evil, knowing right or wrong cannot be obtained. 3. Instructions to Angels (Ephesians 3:10, 1Peter 1:12) angels learn from observing humanity…they cannot learn good and evil if there is no evil allowed as an active principle in the universe. 4. To demonstrate God’s hatred for evil. 5. God will judge all evil in his time. It was and is necessary for God in omniscience NOT to just know about the principle of evil rather, God willed evil to be an active presence in the universe for both angels and mankind. 5. Lastly and perhaps most importantly, as a manifestation of and an exercise of divine Grace. For eternity past, Angels witnessed and knew God’s love, wisdom, power and glory but they had never seen God’s grace…they had no knowledge and understanding of God’s goodness to the undeserving. By allowing evil and sin to exist, God could demonstrate both to angelic beings and to humanity grace, which opened the way of exercising grace to those who because of their sin, deserved only His wrath.
Lastly, your question reaches to the divine and perhaps we will not truly understand this side of heaven….similar to the question: “how could a powerful angel, Lucifer created perfect and in the perfect environment of heaven, decide for evil and rebel against God? With Adam/Eve in the garden, they were influenced by Satan….no such explanation is given for the original sin of Satan. The silence of God should be respected.
@@user-fc2zb9po8tthe question is on the people. Why would people want togo to hell instead of trusting God? See
God is God almigthy. He can do whatever he wants 😊
@@clarkjasperlaysico8204 So you believe everyone has the same opportunity and they willingly choose to be sent to a torture chamber for eternity? How exactly?
“God can do whatever he wants” is not an argument. Everyone knows that. It’s what character you believe God is made of that matters. And you think he’s a cosmic monster. It’s shameful
Excellent as always 👍
!1) If God wasn`t forced to created?
2) And God know beforehand he created he will create something he doesn`t want (sin) and due to his will of creating that most mankind will be doomed to eternal suffering in hell?
3) And If God don`t want that people to be in eternal pain.
4) This God won`t create something in the first place...
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Thanks man that really helped. Praise be to God! Amen!
"1) If God wasn`t forced to created?
2) And God know beforehand he created he will create something he doesn`t want (sin) and due to his will of creating that most mankind will be doomed to eternal suffering in hell?
3) And If God don`t want that people to be in eternal pain.
4) This God won`t create something in the first place...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@a.398864) doesn't follow, because you and many others, as always, ignore the fact that God also wants people to be free, so while He is sad that you reject Him, He won't force you to choose Him and He won't preemptively erase you just because you didn't choose Him.
@@a.39886first God can do anything He wants.
2. The Condition to Salvation is so Easy, just put ur faith in Christ.
The question is. Why would people want to go hell, instead of heaven? 😊
Just put ur faith in Christ and he will give u eternal life
God bless you all
if God could see the future then why did he create Lucifer and give him the highest position.
Simply Wow.
·1) If God wasn`t forced to created?
2) And God know beforehand he created he will create something he doesn`t want (sin) and due to his will of creating that most mankind will be doomed to eternal suffering in hell?
3) And If God don`t want that people to be in eternal pain.
4) This God won`t create something in the first place...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯3
Theme of the Bible is redemption. Goosebumps. He loves us so much
Luke 17 verse 1 : Then He said to the disciples, "It is impossible that no offenses should come, but woe [to him] through whom they do come!
Wow the question I have always had😊😊
z1) If God wasn`t forced to created?
2) And God know beforehand he created he will create something he doesn`t want (sin) and due to his will of creating that most mankind will be doomed to eternal suffering in hell?
3) And If God don`t want that people to be in eternal pain.
4) This God won`t create something in the first place...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's so interesting that humans are redeemable but fallen angels are not. What Frank said makes sense. Maybe they already had that chance. They were in the full presence of God and got to make that decision. Humans are judged based on faith/belief/hope in Jesus. In the end, either we want to be with God (in heaven) or we want to be separate from Him (hell).
Wow interesting thought! Thanks for sharing !!
I feel like this is so self explanatory. Everything happened for his plan. He merely let things take place so everything else can happen.
@Precious Things well yes. There’d be NO evil or sin. But at the same time there were also be no free will. Seeing that we could have no choice between good and evil, only good. Which is immoral and not of Gods nature in giving us free will.
*Wonderful Word* Of God Answer
Freedom To *chose* the *devil* and *you.*
there is no free will. if god is setting the rules that's not free will, that's god's will. free will would mean i can tell god to take a hike and there will be no consequences, how you can claim free will when the alternative is "i will burn you alive" beats the crap outta me. your god gave you a fantastic brain, use the damn thing eh?
@@HarryNicNicholas
*Argument one:* Harry if you told your employer...its your company and your compliance rules, i'm not obeying the rules.Harry *wouldn't there be financial consequences to pay ?* Thanks
So you believe free will cannot exist in a world without evil?
Choose your thinking right or wrong from your childhood.right(way to God)you will be righteous and live eternal wrong you will be in hell that is your own grave.
Through Jesus grace we are saved, as a Christian, I ask my self, is their a plan for Satan to be saved.
I think satan & the demons has already made their choice & continues to practice their choices. Look at our current world of intentional disinformation by the lying mainstream media & destruction by the Antifa, the BLM. com, their arsonists, criminals, anarchists, etc. this is all due to demonic ( fallen angels ) influence with their leader who was called Lucifer, satan, the devil, moloch, bale, etc. under many different names, across the ages & nations, the deceiver, the unrighteous one, the enslaver, the destroyer, etc.
They're way more smarter than us, they knew what they were doing
He has already been judged! John 16:11
God is just and has given us free will.
:/ doesn’t like we have freewill if there’s all these rules and regulations and restrictions everywhere limiting us and keeping us down
@@WonderlustThingthe “rules” are sins. When we sin, we are determined to go to hell.
no one on earth has never sinned, our human nature is destined to sinning. Therefore wouldnt it be more Unjust if God didnt make sure that us sinners got what the cost of sin will be (hell) , and sent us straight to heaven without precautions that rapists and murderers will all be there?
@@WonderlustThingBut because our human nature is to sin, God knew that our fate would simply be hell. But God loves us so much that he doesn’t want us to go to hell! That is why he came in human form as the perfect person (having no sin and never sinning) which is Jesus Christ. Jesus died on the cross to redeem us and give us the freedom to choosing our own destination of heaven or hell by God’s forgiveness. If it weren’t for God wanting to love us and die for us on the cross, we would really have NO freewill and be in hell for eternity. God loves you
What he’s actually talking about is the hero’s journey.
Well said Frank. God bless you brother.
Blessings from Australia.
God created evil
No greater love than to be given free choice.
However that choice isn't free if there are punishments behind an option.
@@amethyst7468 We are not free from the consequences of our decisions.
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There's a difference between natural consequence, corrated consequence, punishment, and abuse. I would be glad to tell you how I identify them if you want. Either way, the way I view it, hell is abuse
@@amethyst7468 hell is absence of God ,. Liars and murders and child trafficking all Types will face wrath ..
@@amethyst7468 when you accept your don’t know it all or The fact that We all will Face the “ I Am “ you’ll be at ease in your mind
Excellent answer. Interesting video.
There can't be a hero without a villian
Is there a villain in heaven?
I have almost come to the realisation that holiness demands that God gives humans free choice.
But then you realize he created sin and the devil and let them break his own laws and now hold you accountable for them which doesn’t sound holy in anyway shape or form
God didn't create sin. Freewill is an act of love. Would you rather live in Newyork or in North Korea?
God would never cause a man to sin. Even though l hate the concept of hell l still cherish the freedom that can cause me to sin.
Lack of freedom means being reduced to becoming dogs programmed to love you and obey you artificially. It is not a true love.
@@trommelbiel "God would never cause a man to sin." Do you think Adam and Eve had a chance to outwit an ancient, crafty, wise spirit being like the devil?
Could God have stepped in to protect them and say "He's lying. You will die", and then proceeded to refute the deception? Why didn't He? Why was He standing back, quietly waiting to slam the gavel of condemnation?
The North Korea vs North America analogy is a bad analogy b/c North Korea is very poor and their Emperor God is an egomaniac. It would be a better analogy if they had the wealth of North America and a good leader, and North America had their poverty.
I also believe God gave a place for evil un this universe so that we could get a glimpse of understanding how good and holy and righteous He truly is. You dont know good if you dont know evil!
Is there suffering in heaven?
@@amethyst7468 $1) If God wasn`t forced to created?
2) And God know beforehand he created he will create something he doesn`t want (sin) and due to his will of creating that most mankind will be doomed to eternal suffering in hell?
3) And If God don`t want that people to be in eternal pain.
4) This God won`t create something in the first place...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@amethyst7468no, it's the complete opposite of how everyone thinks and knows hell is like... it's bliss up there.
Thank you
This world was a test run with evil being allowed. Now i gotta live being born into sin, cause of 2 people i never knew. And follow the teachings of a guy i never met. To spend eternity with someone i have no clue is real. Awesome!
Facts
If God is all knowing then He knew before He created Lucifer that he would fall. That being said... How was Lucifer NOT created to be damned?
Lucifer ('light-bearer') was created to be the "cherub that covereth" (Ezekiel 28:14a). God knew what he would eventually do--and permitted him to do it. Blessedly, He had a plan to redeem mankind. For that we should be grateful!
@@ramoth777 Doesn't come close to an answer.
@@tse90723 Then seek out your answers in God's Word. Don't rely on borrowed objections or atheist talking points.
Lucifer was created to CHOOSE. And since God respects his decision, He won't retroactively erase him but instead design His plans ROUND him; it's no different than how He planned around the fact that Joseph's brothers sold Joseph into slavery, what the brothers meant for evil God instead used to bring about greater good.
@@sixthcairn That is still not an answer to my question.
This is the best answer to this question that I've ever heard ❤️❤️
Jesus' father, YHWH, has nothing to say about Satan.
Jesus hallucinated him into existence when he was fasting in the desert.
Question:
If Yeshua was alone in the desert how did his meeting with Satan get written up in the New Testament?
Answer:
When Jesus met up with his apostles he said "You will never guess what happened to me when I was fasting in the desert. I saw Satan."
And Satan became real to his apostles thanks to Jesus.
@@JamesRichardWiley Question: Do you believe in God? If so, do you believe in the God of the Bible?
Now that I've actually read the Bible after being religious my entire life, his answer makes no sense at all to me.
I spent my entire life in a religion and I never read the Bible. I finally read the Bible and left religion so fast and frankly a little upset with myself that I didn't decide to read it earlier and save all that time that I wasted on religion.
Read it from page 1 to the last page. Lots of other people have left religion after reading the Bible.
Invest some of your time reading the Bible and you'll save a lot of time wasted on religion the rest of your life.
@@tomlaureys1734 I think you got the wrong idea about what the Bible says tbh. But what about it turned you away from it? Reading it has only strengthened my faith. Not ruined it.
@@nikkiburg what did it was reading all the parts of the Bible that they never read in the weekly services.
I'll give you one example.
According to the Bible the cure for leprosy is to kill a bird and put its blood in a bowl and then get another bird and dip that bird's feathers into the blood and sprinkle that blood on the leper and that will cure them.
Here's another one.
If you get bit by a serpent then hold the golden serpent idle and you will not die from the serpent's bite.
Reading crap like that made me realized this is obviously a bunch of nonsense that was made up by ignorant primitive superstitious people centuries ago.
Go read the Bible for yourself and find out.
@Cross Examined did God not create Satan to sin? Was that not His plan to create the antithesis of virtue in order for us to have a choice other than good? Job 1:12 comes to mind?
For some may still not make sense but once you get acquainted with god and read the Bible for instance that’s when the whole answer will answer itself before even questioning the question you had, happened to me that’s why I’m sharing this
perfect answer !!!!! amen
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When God created the angels, He created an army of angel which Michael commanded. It never crossed Lucifer to wonder why there was an army of angels with no enemy. God created an army even before Lucifer fell & became the enemy (satan/ adversary).
I haven't thought about it like that. Thanks and God bless 🙏🏽
@@KevinVang1000 fascists don't create an army. They rise up an army to kill people. HUge difference in comparing God to a simple human dictator.
Yooooo
Wow!! That's mind blowing!!
Hahahaha yoooo! This was so deep
God loves us
love it
The angles were created perfect knowing god and evil... we never seen god but we fallow Good not evil if your a Christian
The first day of kindergarten with Frank Turek as your babysitter.
i find it odd that they would rebel against a) their creator b) someone who is supposed to be perfect.....
@@HarryNicNicholas 1. Free will. 2. They saw he was perfect and wanted to be more perfect than him.
Could the Christian god create a universe with free will but without evil? If it's possible, why didn't he create that universe?
@josh Why? Doesn't the possibility exist that a god could create beings with free will but none of the beings do anything evil?
@josh But what if the beings freely choose good actions instead of evil actions? There has to be one possible universe where nobody ever chooses evil action, if a god can choose which universe to create. If a god can't choose which universe to create, how would free will exist for the creation?
No, the Christian god doesn't exist.
@@somerandom3247 Obviously.
@josh So we won't have free will in heaven?
Oh the horrible possible outcome of having free will; choice to do wrong, and hate, and evil, and even go against the one that created you and loved you!!!
God knew exactly how much pain and bloodshed and hellfire would result when he gave us free will.
It's his way of showing us how much he loves us.
Why would god create beings he knew would be evil then punish them for it.
Amen 💗
·1) If God wasn`t forced to created?
2) And God know beforehand he created he will create something he doesn`t want (sin) and due to his will of creating that most mankind will be doomed to eternal suffering in hell?
3) And If God don`t want that people to be in eternal pain.
4) This God won`t create something in the first place...
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@@a.39886 God didn't want to create robots. He gave us free will and by knowing we have a choice to choose Him, to choose Love. Without sin, without the knowledge of good and evil how do we choose? It was all part of His plan. Your are either with Him or without Him. Either choose Love or not choose Love. He Loves us all but not all with Love Him back. Shalom. 💖
@@besetfree5752 Check every box and look where is problem on the reasoning don`t you think that is more plausible that the God of the bible is a false God, I will let you know that there are also other ways to answer but they are "problematic"
1) If God wasn`t forced to created? "Maybe he is forced to created he doesn`t have free will"
2) And God know beforehand he created he will create something he doesn`t want (sin) and due to his will of creating that most mankind will be doomed to eternal suffering in hell? "Maybe he doesn't know the future" "Maybe hell isn`t real and everyone is going to be saved"
3) And If God don`t want that people to be in eternal pain. "Maybe God want most of mankind to be in eternal pain in hell"
4) This God won`t create something in the first place... Solved :) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It is hard to accept but as long as night follows day and the sun is always there, humans cannot be robots. But I have a hard time comprehending an everlasting hell.
Same. People are born, raised in different homes with different morals and lifestyles so it’s kind of already engraved in them to think certain ways so it’s like predetermined and that just wouldn’t be fair
@@kanayo8816 yeah but look at this way if Hitler was punished for 1 million years and then released what about the 6 million he killed. I have no problem with hell. I only don't understand why it is so gruesome and little things could send anyone there.
@@trommelbiel exactly, it’s confusing me :(
Here is another thing to not comprehend but it is true. God created Satan knowing he would fall and knowing he would have sin enter the world. This being since God is all knowing.
@@kateofone yes but how does it relate to my comment?
Free choice is not "choose to worship me or live in eternal damnation", oh and by the way, I as God, am not going to reveal myself to the populace so that you know for a fact I exist, aside from this one book about me from 2000 years ago and some other stories from 3000 years ago
To die on the ‘cross’ of duality ♾
Before/after is the duality,
Now is the polarity phased(shift)
You just said a bunch of astrology and don’t even know it 😂🤣
My take is humans are created in His image..angelic beings are not image bearers....hence no restoration (or possible restoration)
And not created by the breath of life, i.e. no soul.
Makes sense why Lucifer and the other angels were ultimately damned, because they are in eternity- outside of time... No time for forgiveness or repentance like us mortal humans on earth... it sealed their destiny once they did what they did... hence why likewise if we die without trusting in Jesus to save us, we will also end up in hell.
If Heaven so wonderful, great, beautiful beyond anything else in existence, then to choose rebellion against such a paradise is crazy. That's my question. Free will among such a wonderous realm is not understandable to reject.
Sin is just that enticing also God doesn’t really show himself so it’s a matter of people believing heaven and god is real, if Atlantis is real holding all the worlds riches are you gonna go there to claim them? we don’t know if it exists so we simply don’t think it’s logical to waste time and resources to go there
heaven is going to be a really boring place, for starters all the interesting people will be in hell (just take a look at the last two years) but in heaven you won't recognise anyone, cos they will all be healed and perfect, they'll all be boring cos everyone will have the brain od an einstein, they will all be blue eyed blondes, get the picture....
@@HarryNicNicholas Up there the center of everythimg is God,infinite and everlasting. Boredom is something that comes from finite beings such as ourselves. Yet still though finite we still want to know perfection and eternity,it's a mechanism that pushes us forward. A pointer that directs us and tells us that for what we strive is not in vain. God as an infinite,everlasting being is the only one that can satisfy us hence why we're made in God's image. Images are a reflection of the original but are not original themselves so when you are looking at God you as His image get to be complete in His everlasting perfection and that is the purpose of our existance. To experience God in all His majesty.
@@ginjordom6065 You explained that image thing so well, thank you.
@@nemo2179 Haha I forgot I wrote such a thing,kinda surprized I did. I guess it was a moment of clarity 🙃 I'm happy you found value in them friend.
Over the ages, religious teachings have depicted the vices as the devil, satan, fallen angels, ravan, demons and so on. However in reality they are the vices which dwell within the soul.
The cause of evil and sin begun with the advent of the five dominate vices. Ego, Lust, Attachment, Anger and Greed. Consider these vices as the influence which enables us to perform sinful acts.
This question shows how God values free will. God created beings that can think and decide. He did not create robots for him to play with. He created beings that can chose to be with him or against him.
to me seams almost like a psychopath God, created us without wanting and then put us in a world of suffering only to see if some of us are good people ? 😅
@@tomasparra720 I used to asked these myself before. But look: (1) God created angels at first, which are perfect beings. (2) God did not create the devil as evil from the beginning, the devil made himself evil after being created perfect. (3) The devil convinced one third of his co-angels to be like him, rebellious to God's ways. (4) God created man to replace the fallen angels. (5) God allowed man to contend with Satan now so the rebellion will never happen again in the future. This shows how God values freewill, viewing men as beings like him, not robots to play with.
These are all biblical, which pastors and preachers do not normally tackle. I can give you biblical verses to back these up if you want them.
This is definitely not a psychopath god.
In the timeless eternity past, Lucifer was created by the holiness of the omnipotent and the all-knowing God as the highest of all the angels in heaven. Lucifer was then the light bearer and the seal of perfection in wisdom and beauty. Because of his pride he wanted also to be worship as God. So his pride became the foundation of his sinfulness and spiritual flaws, which was new then in the heavely kingdom of holiness of God. Lucifer was then able to pull 1/3 of angels in heaven on his side. Then there was a war in heaven, Revelation 12:7-10 of the Bible in which Lucifer and his angels failed their rebellion against God and all His angels. In fact; the revolution in heaven in timeless eternity past became the eternal and the spiritual foundation of the irreconcilable tree of the knowledge of good and evil and right from wrong. In fact, Lucifer was then curse to eternally and spiritually become Satan, the adversary and all his angels were then also curse to eternally and spiritually become demons. The cursed to Lucifer surely did not come from the all-knowing will and wisdom of the holiness of God but rather according to wicked, lawless, unjust, sinful and spiritual imperfections of Satan, the foolish and worthless devil himself. In other words, all the holiness of God had to to do was cursed Satan and all his demons according to what they all really wanted to become.
When all living things and man were all flawlessly created by the holiness of the omnipotent God on this earth, Satan and all his demons were all here already watching with envy and jealousy why .man was created by the holiness of God in His own image and likeness, Genesis 1:26-27 of the Bible. Adam and Eve our first parents were then both in the Garden of Eden within the flawless physical and spiritual environment of the eternal wisdom in the tree of life in which suffering, sin, and death were then surely non-existence on this paradise earth way back then. After the flawless creations of all living things and man as recorded in Chapter 1 and 2 of the book of Genesis, this was then also what Satan was waiting for since he knew very well that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was planted with the tree of life in the midst of the garden of Eden. It was recorded in Chapter 3 of the book of Genesis in which Sstan tempted, lied, deceived, corrupted and misled Eve first and then Adam in which they both willingly had chosen to fall to sin in front of the holiness of God in which He had also no other altetnative but to curse Adam and Eve for the fact that He indeed already eternally, spiritually and flawlessly measured, separated, concluded, prejudged, justified, and prewritten the irreconcilable tree of the knowledgd of good and evil in the timeless eternity past in His heavenly kingdom in front of Satan, the adversary. Therefore, man was eternally and spiritually cursed as well as the ground where all other living things also basically originated from, Genesis 3:16-24 of the Holy Bible. In fact, the flawless physical and spiritual environments in the eternal wisdom of the tree of life was then abruptly changed from the flawless environments of the tree of life into the irreconcilable tree of the knowledge of good and evi that now also powered the wisdom of what is right from wrong, truth from a lie, morality from immorality, justice from injustice, peace from war, righteousness from unrighteousness and etc., etc., etc... Ever since the fall of man up to present we are indeed still within the parameters of the irreconcilable tree of the knowledge of good and evil, which are also powering the wisdom of life and death in fallen ecosystem of our sinful world from generation to geneeation up to the present time.Thsnks
%1) If God wasn`t forced to created?
2) And God know beforehand he created he will create something he doesn`t want (sin) and due to his will of creating that most mankind will be doomed to eternal suffering in hell?
3) And If God don`t want that people to be in eternal pain.
4) This God won`t create something in the first place...
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@@a.39886admist everything he gave you the opportunity not to be damned through his son Jesus Christ yet you chose other wise
The elephant in the room is: since God knew Satan would sin (and ruin the universe), why did God create Satan? Unless God has no foreknowledge, God has no excuse for humanity's sorry state.
No god is actually a malevolent entity who created a scapegoat so he could torture us and blame his scapegoat.
Something about it seems fishy.
Well said.
0:34 the dude moved back and forth like a wave
Satan chose to rebel. Mankind chose to rebel. Simple.
Well thanks for that God... really big of you to set it all up like this. It's almost as if you didn't have any other choice, eh?
@Matt Smith It is an undeniable fact that human consciousness has led to human immorality. As well as, that there can be no virtue without the possibility of choosing vice. Your point is anti-intellectual.
Satan doesn't exist, people just do bad things sometimes. Simple as that. No need for any supernatural entities to force us to do it.
@@everfaithful9272 It is not only intellectually dishonest it is dishonesty of the heart. They know they are sinful and in need of salvation.
@@christtheonlyhope4578 I agree. I think it's amazing that every other worldview even admits that they have no solution to our fallen state. Buddhism says: Meditate the remorse away. Islam says: Keep submitting to God maybe he'll let you into heaven for his own amusement. Judaism says: Keep repenting and sacrificing and maybe you can buy your way into heaven. And many atheists now say: Yes, we are sinful, but since there's no hell we can just stop having children and thus punish ourselves with extinction. Like your name says, Christ is the ONLY hope.
Frank didn't answer the question. Furthermore the creation of satan raises more questions.
If satan is responsible for making us sin then how can we be blamed for what we do and be punished for it?
If satan is the source of all evil, then why should we feel any responsibility for the mistakes we make when the simple scapegoat is satan for all the worlds problems?
Your comment is a year old so this is probably pointless, but let’s say you were the accessory to murder.
You were the get away driver in a bank robbery someone else planned, and you agreed to participate in the criminal activity.
You were told what the plan was, and you were under the impression no one would be hurt.
But something went south, and your accomplice ended up killing someone during the robbery, and you drove him out of there, or perhaps you accidentally ran someone over while driving away from the police.
Should you be held accountable for participating in a crime you agreed to, without the intention of hurting someone (even if you did)?
“But each man is drawn away by his own desires and enticed; then when desire has it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown brings for death.”
in my opinion, satan tempted us , it is our choice to sin by disobeying God or not. frank turek talk about free will , about choice in our life that God gave us free will. we got blamed for our choice to do evil. satan just tempted us and didnt force us to sin against God.if you blamed satan for all the evil in the world then satan can blame God for creating satan at first place.God didnt created satan . He created angel and then angel fall and he become satan. and till today satan still tempt us to sin against God.thats why we need Jesus for our salvation.. that what i think
!1) If God wasn`t forced to created?
2) And God know beforehand he created he will create something he doesn`t want (sin) and due to his will of creating that most mankind will be doomed to eternal suffering in hell?
3) And If God don`t want that people to be in eternal pain.
4) This God won`t create something in the first place...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What is that outro music called?
I have a question about free will and eternity. Why would God create beings who he knew would reject him? Why not create a world where everyone would freely accept Him after sinning? I'm not talking about removing sin but removing the people to be sent to hell.
@Saint Michael Pray for Us PERFECTLY put. Literally just said the same to someone else. :)
I am not talking about being perfect. Lets say there are 10 people on earth. God knows that 5 of them are going to be saved and the other 5 are going to hell. If we remove the 5 people who are going hell, we would still have a world where 5 people have free will, would be capable of sin but still accept God and go to heaven.
Isn't such a world possible?
If i had foreknowledge like God and i knew that my child would reject God and go to Hell, i don't think i would proceed with that option.
@@rockywellbalboa Catholics actually believe and "hope" that this is exactly the world we are living in. There's a hell, but it's going to be empty. Everyone accepts God in the end. I don't know if this is the case. But you raise a good point.
If the Catholic hope goes unfulfilled, then it does look like some people are created just to sin and go to hell. This is where we need to take a serious look at justice: Hell is just punishment for freely committed sins. Creating someone you know is going to sin, reject you, and thus deserves punishment, is a perfectly just loop. Being created takes no responsibility away from freely committed sins. Would it be better for those people to not have been created? Not really. There is no hope for someone who will never reject sin. Never creating them doesn't help them, and at any rate, they logically do not deserve that help.
I think those people serve as a bad example to the ones who end up accepting God. And they can curse their own existence and the fact that they're only there for other people, but they still DID freely reject God. Foreknowledge is very different from pre-determination.
When i said remove, i meant if they were not born in the first place. A world where 5 people have free will, are capable of sin and do sin but ultimately come to Christ. It wouldn't be a infringement of free will in that scenario, right?
Why did Satan choose to rebel though? Look throughout history: the only time rebellions take place is if a group of people believe that they are being mistreated in some way. Sure it can be a way to gain power but only because the rebels believed that the society they are rebelling against abused power. And if heaven is supposed to be the model society that everyone wants to be a part of, maybe we should ask why such a revolt took place there.
Your ruling out the one other factor which is jealousy.Look at how many ancient leaders were killed not because someone was mistreated,but because they were greedy and they wanted the throne.Their hearts were wicked and instead of appreciating the gift of life and their position in life,they wanted more.Just like satan the devil
The Book of Genesis and Enoch tell it perfectly. The Angels wanted what they couldn’t have by God’s will, the daughters of men. They saw Women as beautiful creatures unlike anything in heaven, that’s why the serpent went to Eve. When some of the fallen tricked the women and had sex with them, they cursed themselves and God had to punish them. So you’re right, the angels there felt mistreated, but only 1/3 of them felt that way AFTER someone (Satan more than likely) inspired them to take matters into their own hands. But why take the side of the lesser? If they were truly being mistreated and were greater moral beings, why is everything having to do with them about evil? Why is it when God gave Satan control over most of the world he didn’t use his power for good? Satan rebelled because he wanted things his way and unfortunately all he wanted was evil and pleasure combined. Satan didn’t come to serve man, he came to enslave after he lost the war
Saint Michael Pray for Us Very good answer, you summed that up nicely... 👍🏾👍🏾
@@MrKyobo I ruled out jealously because that's an Earthly thing. For instance, King Louis XVI of France was beheaded along with many other rich and nobel people due to jealousy. However, you must look at the full context. It wasn't just because the rich had so much, but because the poor had so little and the rich were flaunting their wealth as if to say "look at me: I'm so rich and powerful while you're poor and weak." That couldn't happen in heaven...or could it? Maybe God puts himself on a higher pedestal than everyone else in heaven and that may have caused a revolt. I don't know, but given the megalomaniacal qualities the Bible attributes to God, it seems possible.
@@ADMusic1999 Your comments reveal that you don't really believe in evil. Think about it. Every time you start describing a potentially evil action you then immediately attach to it some excuse, shifting the blame to the victim. Evil by definition is an action WITHOUT any excuse. Until you can think of an evil action with no excuse behind it, you can't really conceive of evil. Now, unfortunately, I see one and only one such action in your comments: Having authority. "God must be a sanctimonious tyrant if Satan rebelled; and every human in power must have been a sanctimonious tyrant if someone less powerful killed him." This is a bias I once suffered from as well, and whether we realize it or not its roots are in Marxist philosophy. "Good and evil are just oppressors and oppressed." Rid yourself of this hidden bias, then you'll see that people with no power can do evil, and that Satan can rebel even though God did him no wrong.
Listening to Frank offering his worldview to his audience
I feel like I am in the first grade of a Catholic Parochial school
learning questions and answers from the Baltimore Catechism.
I am eternally grateful to Hitchens, Harris and Nobel prize winning scientists
for offering an alternative description of the world
based on testable evidence.
James Richard Wiley
The one thing that they all have in common in the presentation of their alternative explanations is that they are not testable and are therefore neither scientific nor verifiable, but merely assertions. Saying that something is scientific doesn't make it so. Science is not a thing, rather it is an analytical approach. If one wishes to state that their analyses is more verifiable mechanically and that the opposition is purely anecdotal and based on ancient literature, so be it. However it does not make the former superior especially if no conclusion has been rendered and no proof has been forthcoming. In order for an argument to be scientific, it's hypothesis must be tested and it's conclusion must be demonstrated to be reproducible... non of which the alternative explanations have ever been subjected.
@@richardronk4445 1) If God wasn`t forced to created?
2) And God know beforehand he created he will create something he doesn`t want (sin) and due to his will of creating that most mankind will be doomed to eternal suffering in hell?
3) And If God don`t want that people to be in eternal pain.
4) This God won`t create something in the first place...
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@@a.39886 is there a universe that God can create with FREE WILL that nobody would reject him or sin?
This question would always boil down to why create us with free will? Why would the need for wilful worship be so important to an omni being?
Why did God put Satan on the earth and not somewhere else?
God put Satan in hell.
He can't be in two places at the same time unless god allows it.
God can do anything.
James Richard Wiley Nah he was casted to the earth
Thought there was no sin in heaven
is that in the Bible
@@BibleSamurai /1) If God wasn`t forced to created?
2) And God know beforehand he created he will create something he doesn`t want (sin) and due to his will of creating that most mankind will be doomed to eternal suffering in hell?
3) And If God don`t want that people to be in eternal pain.
4) This God won`t create something in the first place...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯/
There isn't
Why is Satan the absolute of evil? If we are also evil, why are we not responsible for our evil in a sense "evil absolute" of our own? Why Satan takes all the blame, or the seed of sin originates with Satan??
If Satan had free will and chose to sin, we also had as much free will, so shouldn't satan's sin be his alone and our sin be ours alone and not attribute it to Satan?? What's the connection?!
Satan tempted us to sin and we fell for it. We fall for it everyday. Satan does no good act. Satan deceives. It may look 'good' in the present moment, but it's inevitably going to lead to evil down the line.
@Bob Smith How come?
@Bob Smith all i see in reading this comment is just "OPINIONS LACKING FACTS" - accusing the jews of inventing a God but still can't back it up with facts, Bible is backed up by facts all over the place pointing an all knowing an all loving and all merciful God, just because you can't understand doesn't erase the facts and make it unnexistant. If I can prove that God is real and Jesus is real and Salvation is real, would you become a christian?
The angels fell away knowing full well what they were doing. Adam and Eve didn't, especially Eve, who was deceived and Adam who sacrificed himself for his bride (a type of Christ). And each one of us was born into this fleshly state unwillingly.
For these reasons I believe that God took pity on mankind and provided a way but not on the angels who chose to fall away knowing all the consequences.
Shahyong Hu I thinks it’s for the same reason explained in the video, but I don’t know for sure. It makes sense that Satan’s evil is absolute evil because before he had been in the presence of God. That is as good as it gets and yet he still chose to do bad. So think about the gravity of him turning away from God. In the absence of light is darkness, so that’s what the devil was left with, darkness. As for humans, we don’t know any better. If all is us experienced being in God’s presence and goodness I don’t think we would choose the darkness, which is kind of like not having free will. I don’t know, after watching this video and seeing your comment this is what came to mind. I don’t know for sure.
I know this may sound like a strange, crazy concept, but you can actually have free will without sin. So the question is why was sin allowed in the first place?
We are ALL sinners that fall short of the glory of God. And we ALL are deserving of eternal punishment in hell because sin is so serious (sin is evil and it is the cause of all pain, death, and suffering). And that’s why Jesus suffered soooo much for us, and that’s why He died on the cross for ALL our sins (past, present, AND future sins) and rose from the dead 3 days later! Jesus did all this because He loves us sooooo much, you can’t even fully comprehend it! And you may have eternal life with Him if you repent (to change your mind about Jesus, to believe that Jesus Christ is the Lord our God) and have faith in Him, then you will be saved! (Let’s make it clear that being a good person WILL NOT get you into Heaven! You can only be saved by the grace God will show you, if you repent and have faith in Jesus and in what Jesus did for us on the cross and that He rose from the dead 3 days after He died for us! ONLY THEN, will you will be saved)! And do not wait because you do not know when you will die (sit and think deeply about that. You have NO CLUE when you will die! Today could be your last day, tonight could be your last night. You can die in your sleep or even in the next hour!) Im saying all this because I want you to realize how urgent and important it is to have Jesus! If you have Jesus, you will NEVER have to worry! You won’t have to worry about school, family problems, life, or EVEN DEATH because you will have the LORD your GOD, RIGHT BY YOUR SIDE, EVERY SINGLE DAY, EVERY SINGLE HOUR, EVER SINGLE MINUTE and EVERY SINGLE SECOND of your life! GOD can help you through ANY challenge, through ANY hardship, and through ANY depressing time in your life! GOD WILL NEVER leave you, GOD WILL NEVER forget about you, GOD WILL NEVER betray you, GOD WILL NEVER forsake you, and GOD WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU!!! And that is why GOD is calling you RIGHT NOW to be saved!!I
In my opinion God didnt allow his angels to sin
All we know is a long time ago in His Kingdom things went south
I believe we where made in part because of that if not for it
God made us to show His justice and mercy through out His Kingdom to show that we can change our ways having the knowledge of good and evil
with His grace so can they (the fallen angels) ..Not saying they will . But it makes their sentence ,their condamnation Just in relation toward His Kingdom and GLORY.
But this is just a theory not a fact .
All will be revealed in the end.
God bless everyone and remember its never too late🥰
to seek God that really loves you .
If you ever feel His calling it will be like a smooth breezing wind innocent Holy speaking to your heart ,your conscience someone you could overpower easily . If that happens to you
Its God calling you
Most of us had this and most us Christian hardened our heart at first too .
God bless whoever you are
The question is can angels change? lucifer was an angel and now is satan..is it possible for satan to go back to lucifer?
pétri pat Although I am not a christian, I appreciate your thoughtful and non judgemental comment. Thank you.
If God didn’t allow angels to sin then Lucifer wouldn’t have rebelled
@jeremy manchur what do you mean?
@jeremy manchur I see. Thank you
Sin lie at the door and I believe that spirit of rebellion and unrighteousness was entered the angel we know as Satan the devil and that's how he fall into sin.
YHWH knew this would happen before he created the Cosmos.
In fact he planned it all down to the last detail.
YHWH cannot make a mistake.
Truth.
Isn’t satan himself the spirit of rebellion and unrighteousness?
That would imply God created all those sinful desires too
@@kateofone Not true, far be it from God to do iniquity. God is all good and holy, departing from the commandments of God is sin. I believe the angel we now know as Satan was tempted by an external evil entity or something. God doesn't tempt anyone to do evil, plus anyone that sin is of the Devil, plus Satan deceived one third of the angels to go against God and including the watchers in the book of genesis.
@@briancooley8777 what intrigues me is that who caused Satan to fall from grace ?
Perhaps the answer is in the parable of the prodigal son. Who the father in that parable? God the Father. Who is the older son? Who is the younger son? Who do we call the son of God?
Why are there 2 sons of God in the parable?
If one of the sons represents Jesus, which would he be?
Jesus is the younger son. Who then is the older son? Lucifer.
Once you see this, it explains the whole meta narrative of the Bible. We have a battle between 2 brothers.
And we also understand why God puts up with Lucifer for so long. He is not just an angel, he is a son.
But in the end, if the son does not repent, he gets cast into the lake of fire.
If there is no sin or thoughts of sin in heaven or the presence of god then how did the devil become sinful in gods presence? We are not in god presence but the devil was once with god where there is not sin
Saying that sin has to exist for free will to exist is like saying that I don't have full control over my body because I can't fly. Just like I can have full control over my body without having the ability to do some things I can have full free will without having the ability to sin. God is all-powerful. So, if they wanted to, they would have created a world where free will existed but sin didnt
The appropriate phrase is "free moral agency"; it's not a general freedom of choice, but rather, a specific freedom to develop your own sense of right and wrong.
That said, I still don't see why it (free moral agency) must exist. It seems to me like a terrible mistake. But God would rather watch the tragic horror of human history, as we know it, slowly unfold than to have a universe free of the power to choose evil. Which option seems preferable to you?
Which person do you think is 'better';
Person A:
Never had a job. Never worked out, studied or left their comfort zone (Too much stress) has never known what it's like to be poor, hungry, too cold, too hot or what it feels like to be sick, to be distressed, angry or has ever been in a fight whether words or more.
Person B:
Has had multiple jobs and works hard at them. Has a healthy body from diet and exercise. Has wisdom from studying and often leaves their comfort zone to expand their experiences. Knows what it is to be poor, hungry, too cold, too hot. Has been sick, distressed, angry and has fought. But still loves people and wants the best for them.
They...? God is a they? Wow and here I thought that only one existed guess this is why duality is a never ending cycle
What I believe is that God wants people He loves to love Him out of choice. How can you say that in a world where He is the only option?
@daydreamer9469
Yes, I get that, but that is not what I'm talking about. You see, loving God and acting morally do not necessarily come together. On the one hand, one may love God but act in a harmful way, sometimes even in his name. On the other hand, someone may not believe in God yet act the most righteously they can.
And so, God could have created a world where humans did not have the ability to want to sin. And, in this world, people could choose whether to be with God or not. In this case, being with God doesn't grant eternal life and being away from him doesn't damn you to eternal torment. So, his goal of giving us free choice is even more pronounced in this scenario where there is no incentive behind either option, rendering the aforementioned choice more free than it is in the current uphold system.
Or as an alternate title to this video “Why did God create me and then not force me to follow him ?
Why give me a choice to do wrong?”
@rhpicayune He decided to give us free reign instead of limits but give a human and inch they take a whole yard.
Book of Life
For the way to redemption
God is Love not a dictator that’s why he gave us freewill
Let’s say you have a choice to eat an apple or not:
If God knows you’re going to eat the apple, are you physically capable of not eating it?
If the answer is yes, you’ve negated God’s omniscience/sovereignty.
If the answer is no, you’ve negated free will (and the ability to choose the savior or not).
If the answer is God knows but you don’t, therefore there is free will, that’s not actually free will: it’s the illusion of free will.
If all actions are known ahead of time (by God), then everything is predestined and everyone who ends up in hell does so as a result of actions they never really had the choice but to commit (which would make God a tyrant).
Also, I’ve heard some say that God wills himself not to know our choices. That however, means God willfully negated his own omnipotence: if you don’t know everything then you also are not all powerful (knowledge=power). It would also negate his omnipresence because you can’t know everything if you’re not everywhere…
God, as described in the Bible, literally makes no sense at all.
"Why did an unknown concept create the true God?" Should be the title.
Jude 1;6 gives you your answer he needs to read more
The question is why did GOD create Lucifer to disobey HIM then put him in charge of earth?
And God knows everything futurewise. So He knows what HE was going to do.
it’s obvious why the world needs good and evil to exist and be in balance and to make people weather of heaven.
1) God could have Easily Created the Angels & Us to Do Good With Free Will, Period...
Satan, Could have Never been Created, We Don't Need All that Negativity...
Stop Draging me into God's War with Satan!!!!
totally agree, why was satan cast down here to rule over us. He could've been sent off to a timeout room somewhere else to keep us safe from him.
Suppose that God, foreknowing the rebellion of Satan and his angels, used them to teach an unforgettable, eternal lesson to humankind that this is what happens when individuals choose to do what is right in their own eyes instead of submitting to God.
At 1:27 Frank Turek says: "He could have created a world where we were robots, but that wouldn't be a moral world..." But of course God did create a world like that when he created the Garden of Eden. And when he creates Heaven, will he not be admitting that this whole "moral world" with its suffering and evil was just a charade, because he could have created us in a place like heaven with free will anyway?
This robots argument is nonsense. If we cannot be created to hate sin and love a god because that would make us robots, then why can we be created loving sin and hating (or sometimes refered to as turning away) a god and not be considered robots?
If we can be created loving sin, but have have "the choice" to accept Jesus thus satisfying free will, why can we not be created hating sin and loving and knowing a god, but still have the ability to sin?
Both are logically the same but one allows for less suffering.
@@s3tione Agreed, but it's even worse for Christian theology, as God apparently is perfectly willing and capable of creating such circumstances in the form of Heaven. So it's not that there is some logical necessity or justification for our suffering; rather, it just seems God prefers it this way.
s3tione Nobody is created loving sin
@@MarkNOTW And yet we need a "saviour" to handle the sin. What's that all about then?
s3tione We need a savior to handle the sin. Correct. But your argument is based on people being created loving sin. That’s not correct.
I believe salvation is a choice. Who is it that makes the decision?
I think a better question is. How did sin enter heaven , which is a sinless perfect place. The only way possible is if there was free will there.
@ML 49 .. in your world
Why do you think heaven exists?
Here’s a crucial question I’ve been looking for the answer to: “What is “good”? Does it truly have an objective definition that is not circular in the form of “my god is good, and good is whatever my god says or does?” To define evil as the opposite and absence of good, “good” would have to have some qualifiable or quantifiable aspect, the absence of which at least statistically reliably leads to evil. Defining “good” also has huge ramifications on our human legislation and morality; presupposing we know “objective good” means that we can make perfect laws if we wish. Is it possible? Now, the problem to all of this is that the deity in Abrahamic religions continues to take the position of incomprehensibility to avoid questioning. If we cannot actually comprehend its intentions, how are we to verify if it is objectively good, especially if the definition of “objective good” depends on it circularly like the religious say?
You know the difference between good and evil. if you want to know more, study the attributes of the only God and you will know what good is to the point you will recognize you are completely evil and God is absolutely holy.
@@bjornegan6421 Can you make perfect laws that always work?
@@bjornegan6421 Also, which deity, and how exactly do we investigate it? With a microscope? Fluoroscopy? Ecological study?
@@wiwaxiasilver827 Can I do anything perfectly? nope. and if you have people, who are, to put it very lightly, imperfect, then of course we cannot do anything that 'always works'.
@@wiwaxiasilver827 There is only one God. you investigate by reading His word, by recognizing you are in fact evil and guilty before your Creator because you have done evil. God is good, as you mentioned in your first comment. He must punish all evil or He is not good. Good punishes evil. For evil to go unpunished is bad. The only God, the Creator, took on flesh and walked the earth, His name is Jesus, the Son of God, the Lord of all.
You still didn’t answer the question. “ why did got create Lucifer “ knowing how he would turn out. Why did god create the hell, the evil ? … this guy legit did not answer it at all. And I am not evil, u lost me as soon as u said that. Next person pls
If freedom couldn't exist without evil, I wouldn't expect heaven a very good or free place.
You realise you’re basically stating that evil is good, right?
@@ka1iqe0 I didn't, he states evil is the by product of being free.
@@Rg-nk3rc “freedom” and having “free will” are two different things. JESUS sets you free.
John 8:32, 34 Highlights this: Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.”
Sinning by freeWILL and evil is FAR from freedom. Evil is the by product of SLAVERY
Why would God give Satan the power over the world? I don't understand. It would make sense Satan existing and all but why give him the position of "prince of the power of the air"?
This answer falls short becuase the Godhead have freewill and are perfect yet they cannot sin.
Sin means to be contrary to the perfect standard. God is that perfect standard already.
@@Scott777 correct and I would argue that he could have made us that way without the ability to sin whilst having freewill because it's obviously possible since he does it
NewLight 777 exactly
The Godhead is One, and it's the substance, not a "they." God the entity is a He. And God cannot sin because He has a perfect nature. There are only two ways to not sin: 1. To have a perfect nature. 2. To be redeemed through the perfect nature and hence dwell in its presence. God couldn't have created us perfect because there is only one kind of perfection, and there can only be one God. God couldn't have created perfect angels because angels are by definition His messengers who dwell in His presence, and so they cannot be apart from Him in order to experience redemption. And we --- we are experiencing redemption right now, as long as we freely accept it.
18thletter No because by the standard of creation: the created one owes its existence to the creator. So therefore a moral obligation is automatically placed on that created one from the moment it’s created which is: to submit to and honor his creator. Meaning it is impossible for God to create any being exactly like himself, because God does not have that moral obligation since He is not created. The creator is in a different class of His own, far superior and far more glorified than anything because He transcends everything, He owes His existence to no one.
WOW! Way to not answer the question Frank!
@Koba TheDon That's great and all but Frank still avoided the question. The question wasn't about free will or what god could or couldn't do.
If you came to this channel looking for answers to the questions being asked your gonna have a bad time.
@Koba TheDon Ok, but what does any of that have to do with Frank avoiding the question.
@Koba TheDon Why do you keep attacking me personally and not address the original comment?
@Koba TheDon Are you going to add something to the conversation?
Is there any reference in the Bible where Satan commits a sin?
God is all knowing. When I build a wall, I already know what the finished wall will look like and do.