@@Izzazzo do you understand the difference between being a slave to sin and a slave to righteousness? Do you understand what happens to a Christian when they give their heart to Jesus?
@@christtheonlyhope4578 don't answer my question with a question. You said: grace is not a licence to live in sin. And I asked you, then why do you continue to sin? And I would like to know....if that is the case, why do you keep on sinning?
I think she's doing it right. She accepts them, loves them, and treats them kindly. There's no rule that she must go to gay pride shows or events or anything like that. If they continue to have a problem with it then she just needs to remove them for her life because going to events with them is a choice, not an obligation. She loves them and isn't spewing hatred or nasty things at them and that's all that really matters.
@@theespionageact5249 It's apparent to me that you're just here to troll people in the comment section. Like it or not, you will never be able to use moral arguments (which are given to us in the Bible from God) against God. You have no grounds for objective morality without the "Book" to which you refer.
Grace says. “Anybody can come to God.” Truth says, “Everyone must come through Jesus.” Grace says, “God is love.” Truth says, “God is holy.” Grace says, “I love sinners.” Truth says, “I hate sin.” Grace without truth is deceptive. Truth without grace is defective. (“insensitive.”) Truth - grace = legalism. Grace - truth = liberalism. Grace + truth=liberty. Grace wants to free you, but only the truth will set you free. We’ve created in our culture “A God without wrath, who brings men without sin, into a kingdom without judgment, through the ministry of a Christ, without a cross. - H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America.
Hope Berry God is love. He is the very definition of it so anything that is in defiance of that, is the opposite of love. So, I believe it’s you that doesn’t understand love.
@@brokenvessel8886 God is love? You mean the same God that condoned rape, genocide and slavery? No that's not my definition of love. I understand love, but I can't believe that any God or gods that would condone these things is the definition love.
@@Rainbow_Panda Just because those things happens does not mean God condones those things. But he can use awful things for a different and good purpose.
For a while my lesbian daughter said I didn't love her because I didn't affirm her homosexuality. I told her that I love her unconditionally and that she was more than her sexuality. Finally, by holding my ground, she finally admitted that she believes I do love her.
@@franbatista9062 they may not disappear completely, but God can help her redirect them. Just like an alcoholic will always be tempted. They can manage it.
Agape love is the love of God. “For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. Romans 5:6. But God proves His own love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us!” Romans 5:8 Jesus didn’t come to die for the godly. Sanctification is a process and these verse helped me not to beat myself up repeatedly for my sins because God loves the ungodly and wants them back and He proves it by the great lengths He took to get us back. Sanctification is a process where an individual’s layers of sinful attitudes and actions are peeled away. I know God loves me because He keeps saying “ Come to me all who are heavy laden and I will give you rest. Matthew 11:28. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light. Matthew 11:30. Who can’t serve a God like that?
@@DebbyEvans says who? Man has a sin nature, a fleshly nature,a corrupting nature. But with the Holy Spirit which is God man can overcome that nature. It will take a more powerful force;it will take God. “For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world- our faith.” 1 John 5:4
"Are you a tolerant person?" "Yes I am" "Good, then that means if I give a view that is opposite to yours you'll tolerate it then right? Cause we may not agree, but we can tolerate each other and respect one another" OH.MY.GOD! I never even considered phrasing it like that!!!
The definition of tolerance has almost been ‘redefined’ to suit the aggression from those desperate to convince themselves that what they are doing is ‘ok’
Not "almost". It has been completely turned inside out. It means (or used to mean) disagreeing, but being willing to put up with something. Now it means you HAVE to not just agree, but celebrate. Leftists are masters of language manipulation. That's something we don't hear talked about very much.
They don't just want it to be seen as "ok" or neutral. They want it to be seen as good. They want affirmation, similar to how Christians affirm marriage. They want to be celebrated. Think "hearty approval" as described in Romans 1:32.
@@theespionageact5249 and of course, as Christians, we view the lives of everybody in the LGBT movement to be equal in value to everybody else. But they don't just want that. They want homosexuality to be seen as equally good as husband-wife sexuality.
A good response. But know that the new tactic for getting around the, "Are you a tolerant person?" is for them to say, "I am. But I am not tolerant of bigots." They've already judged you. That's how they play the game these days.
That statement makes them lose the argument anyways. Because they contradict the meaning of Tolerance. Therefore, I would just say you're a fool because you've contradicted yourself. And you're actually cringe for saying the word bigot.
No one is saying that but just because i don’t want to go to pride day or drag queen shoes does not mean I am a bigot. My friend who is muslim would not tell me to watch an Islamic gathering worshiping Alláh and call me islamaphobic if I did not...ssooo
The problem comes in when "they" start suing the baker. Btw, marriage is a Christian tradition. What kind of blessing "they" expect from God? Be fruitful and multiply?
Scripture says if you love family more than God, you cant love God. Put no man, as in human 1st. And if they try to fight you if you do nothing wrong to them, just claim freedom of religion. You got as much right to obey God as they think they do in their pride. Boast God, try to win souls when can
I would say you have more right to obey God than they do in their pride. God is before all things. That's why we follow Him before we follow man, government, or anything in this world.
@@stafinator3932 oh He does and you had best hope you have a reckoning with Him because He is coming to judge all. Make peace with the Jailer before you are found guilty and thrown into prison.
@@wookieninja8794 Well I don't know if he exists... Well I would disagree with quite a lot of his decisions... maybe God and I could talk about it when the day comes?
@@stafinator3932 you are so blind that you don't understand. There will be no talking when the time comes. You either bend the knee before or you will be tormented forever in the Lake of Fire. You have no reason to think you can go in and talk to the president so what makes you think that would happen with El' Roi?
colby j it is actually. If one were to demand Christ to accept something sinful 100% or give nothing else of himself, he would choose to give nothing per their demand.
@@CelticSpiritsCoven and I assume you have proof of this? Show me a verse where Jesus mentions and condemns LGBT people......if you can't, I hope u repent of telling lies in Jesus name and calling men of God like me.....the balls in ur court now......waiting!!!!!!
@@CelticSpiritsCoven Yeah where does jesus say not to indulge in same sex behaviour? The verse on same sex behavior in the new testament is said by Paul, not by Jesus.
You are actually being loving by being truthful. Ezekiel 3:18 says it perfectly. We must be truthful in love. We all must remember the warnings in scripture that say "they will not endure sound doctrine" and that "what is evil will be called good and what is good will be called evil." We are living in those times.. be faithful and don't compromise because those that compromise will lose their reward.
I love this brother. I've read the Bible ever day for thirty-four years, Genesis to Revelation each year along with countless studies including Biblical Hebrew. This teacher lets the evidence determine the outcome. He is the best I've ever seen except for Josh McDowell for defining truth in the Bible. Thank you Dr. Frank Turek. You are spot on.
I'm a Christian, and I know what you're trying to say--but I am not sure it's as artful as you think. Because what you're saying is: If you don't allow me to discriminate against you, you're not being tolerant. Being tolerant is about respecting self-conviction, which, yes, includes respecting folks with different opinions.
@@theespionageact5249 I'll take my claim, try to fit science into that claim and regardless if it fits or not shove it down everyone's throat from elementary school to college so that, whether the facts support it or not, people will believe it to be true- evolution
@@Scorpion-my3dv Most facts do support evolution, dumbo. There's a few holes in the theory and guess what? It's not creationists who actually brought up those holes in an intellectual space, it's scientists, specifically biologists. The people who unlike you, actually understand evolution. Evolution is a far better explanation for life on earth than creationism which is literally just "God done did it."
What a great answer. Actions always speak louder than words. If a person really values others' beliefs they are willing to give them equal footing in the public square.
I value beliefs that are based in rationality, not on unsubstantiated fairy tales. It isn't fair to the countless people who are discriminated against to base society on mythology.
Exactly what he said. The statement 'love is love' isn't an all encompassing statement, every one of us have boundaries, so if you were to say to someone who espoused the above statement but then asked them if it's ok to love your parent in that way or a child they would probably argue 'well obviously not'. The question is who holds the key to understanding the obvious?
To think love means to aprove everything is tomissunderstood love. Got it, thank you sir. Gin, PS: that argument in the debate, "do you love is, and do you approve of us?" It reminded me of that WEAPON, That double edge sword... What a magnificant sword... That sword of truth... That cuts both side... Its golden, "do unto other what you want others do unto you"... Oh Yeshua... How I love your teaching.
It’s the difference between empathy and sympathy. It would be empathetic to participate, sympathetic to have your own ideals, yet still compassionate towards others.
Great information and another analogy for my families who practice shaman. As a Christian, I attend their events and don't practice shaman with them. When I invite them to my events, they said they will come but they never did. 🤔
@@theespionageact5249Why you think me or any of my brothers and sisters in Christ want to prove you anything? The Bible makes declarations, statements about the Truth! It's 100% infallible and that's because it's the inspired Holy Word of the Eternal Creator God Almighty! I am simply proclaiming you what the Bible says. You can believe it or you can reject it. The Bible is not set to prove anything. It simply states: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:1 KJV You can say there is no God till you turn blue in the face and remain condemned, go to hell and live with all the scum of the earth and later have Satan, the beast and the false prophet for your neighbors in the lake of fire and brimstone and forever curse the day you were born.. or, I pray to God, you can humble yourself and recieve His Word and Jesus Christ as LORD and Savior, and by the grace of God - recieve His free gift of Salvation and eternal life! The choice is yours, and that's the only choice that matters! Because if you reject Jesus Christ, in the end, it won't matter one bit for anyone what you have chosen. Jesus Christ is the ONLY Lamb of God that sacrificed Himself to redeem you and all of us! He payed the sin debt with His own blood and took the full holy righteous wrath of God that is rightfully uppon our heads! He died to ransom the slave and God raised Him from the death to show His lost children that He is loving and mercyful Father! The second time He will come will be to recieve all His people to Himself.. and to judge all the nationsand make war and He Will prove His rebellious creation Who He IS, and my friend, Jesus Christ IS the Almighty God.. and believe me, you don't want to learn it that way! 🙏🏻✝️
@@НедиславИванчев-ч9щ If one doesn't have to prove what one is saying, one can make up any lie and any story one wishes and it doesn't have to be true. So how do you distinguish fact from fiction?
@@itsJPhere Friend, you have the gift of free will to believe whatever you want. But I wanna tell you something - If you wanna know the Truth and honestly ask the One you don't believe in, and humble yourself, God may reveal to you. Remember, The Almighty created you for His purpose, He knows you better than you can ever know yourself, He knows your heart, He knows your destiny before He created the universe, and He is in no way dependent on it or us anything out of Himself, therefore God will give you the Truth when He wants to. If you are ready to recieve, He has no problem give you. God loves His people. He doesn't want anyone condemned in hell. He didn't made hell for us. It's for Satan and his angels to be punished and tormented for eternity. NOT FOR HIS CHILDREN! Jesus payed for all sin of the world! Do you think God has pleasure condemning any of His children?! It is ridiculous.. He loves you that much more that He rather died for you on a wooden cross, rejected, mocjed, humiliated, lowered Himself to a human being separated from the Father in heaven, tortured horrible mental physical, spiritual suffering from the same ones that He gave His life for? Jesus died from a broken hearth, because everyone abandoned Him. He was the loneliest person ever walked on earth. But do you know what broke His heart? It was that when He, Who knew no sin became sin for us, and looked up to His Father, the Heavenly Father turned away and poured up His FULL HOLY WRATH on His only begotten Son and it pleases Him, because His righteousness was satisfied, the law was fulfilled and the sin debt was payed! He sent Him in this world for that reason! It was finished! Jesus came to die for us and that was the only possibility for us to be forgiven now! He loves you that much, because He did all this to provide you a way to be with Him forever and not send you to hell! God loves you, but He is righteous also. He wants you to be saved, but He won't force you to be with Him if you don't want to. Actually He gave us free will to chose if we go with Him or we don't. He gave Satan the same free will. And the one thing you should know God WILL EVER do, is breaking His own laws. That's His character, nature! He is just! No exceptions. So.. you can prove the Bible is 100% correct and find evidence if you investigate and many many sceptics did that, but they found it's infallible, because most of the time they tried to disprove it and in the end got saved by grace through faith! The resurrection of Jesus you can't prove.. And if the resurrection didn't happened, nothing else matters! Search for truth, desire it, humble and realize that the moment you are ready, God does everything! Trust and He will show you. And then you will know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free! Jesus IS the way, the truth and the light and when you know Him, He sets you free! Not me, or anyone else. I am just trying to point you the direction to Him. Nothing more, nothing less. Only God gives wisdom, knowledge and truth. Only God can reveals Himself to anyone! God bless you and your family!
@@kathymichael2323 true. Homophobia is not being afraid of LGBT folk, so well spotted. And as you also didn't create the commandments or 1 tim 2;8-14 (which clearly you have gone against now!!!), so you don't get to dictate what is sin. So how come you do?
Truth is that we god by even the utmost vague and charitable definition is unproven and a Christian god is nothing but unsubstantiated myths no different than the other four thousand religions which Christians reject.
@@gogetmeacoffee6790 I know 'Yes Amen' is what you repeat every sunday but honestly Magdalena you owe yourself a moral and intellectual responsibility to consider the consequences of what you approve. As a black person the question of slavery should particularly matter to you and Susan. Your bible endorses and even regulates slavery and your allegiance to you disrespect the memories of all those ancestors that have suffered the most heinous of crime.
When someone says to me 'who are you to say that?' my sincere (not flippant) response is, who are you to say I can't say that? It puts the attention on their own judgemental behavior for a moment and maybe, just maybe, forces them to think a little deeper, if only for a moment.
@@yeetus_reetus_deeleetus the on line definition homophobia /ˌhɒməˈfəʊbɪə,ˌhəʊməˈfəʊbɪə/ Learn to pronounce noun dislike of or prejudice against gay people.
"And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them." Genesis 19:5. >>> DO not defile yourself. The world demands that you do.
@@pastorbri Then give me ONE verse from Scirpture that states God approves of homosexuality. I've seen you ask people of one verse that condemns it but I wanna see whether YOU can find a SINGLE verse that CLEARLY states God approves of homosexuality. Come on *I'm waiting*
@@theemissary1433 ya ask Then give me ONE verse from Scripture that states God approves of homosexuality....but can you Then give me ONE verse from Scripture that states God approves of homophobia which is a form of hate and discrimination..... I wanna see whether YOU can find a SINGLE verse that CLEARLY states God approves of hate and discrimination. Can't wait! As the Bible never mentions homosexuality one way or another.....I can't find you anything as it clearly was not an issue, so much so Jesus never bothered to mention it.....it just wasn't an issue, so why is it an issue for you and not homophobia lifestyles?
@tim hamat Jesus is God who became man for a short time in order to teach men, and offers them a way back to God, by His teachings, His death, and His resurrection from death. Jesus Him self claimed to be God over 180 times and then went on to prove it by His actions.
Never fear stating God's teaching. Never hesitate to share His truths. That is the greatest show of love you can and should make to sinners and those watching you in your walk.
It doesn’t matter how you feel or what they feel. You cannot live your life off of feelings. Imagine if people did!! I don’t FEEL. Like going to work today./ I don’t feel like stopping at the stop sign/ I don’t feel like loving my family today/ I don’t feel like paying my electricity bill/ I dont feel like eating veggies and fruit/ etc... then look at the consequences of each of these! Not good.
Feelings can be broken. There are a lot of feelings I shouldn't act on, like rage or self-hatred. Often times, what our nature desires is often distorted, and we end up believing that if we just had that one thing (like a same-sex relationship) we would be truly happy. But nothing on this earth will truly fill our souls the way Christ does. When I surrendered my own wants and desires and trusted Him, He filled that hole in my heart far more than anything else I was craving or feeling.
The apostle Paul talks about a sexual relationship between two men or two women as "lust" not as love.the Greek word for lust(epithymia ) means this is an action that is a desire or craving having a negative connotation
The basis of Love is selfless no matter what people may say... A Love that was made within selfishness is evil no matter how you may see it... A selfish Will is lustful... A selfless Will is Loving... Love is of the Spirit... Lust is of the Flesh...
@just repelsteeltje True Love is not self-seeking... Marriage is about the Covenant of God's Love in Man... A Man for A Woman and A Woman for A Man... A Head for A Body and A Body for A Head... The Christ for His Church and The Church for her Christ... A Father to A Son and A Son to A Father... The Provider for the Receiver and the Receiver for the Provider... The Shepherd to its Sheep and the Sheep to its Shepherd... The Husband for the Wife and the Wife for the Husband... The King for His Kingdom and the Kingdom for its King... Marriage is about the Covenant made in the name of the LOVE of God and not in the name of the Lust of men...
@just repelsteeltje To Love is not to force your will to others but to let the will of others be free... Marriage is about covenants, it is a vow made between the two consenting "persons" that have distinct roles from each other in the name of the LOVE of God. Every vow in Marriage must be made righteous in the eyes of God. If the type of Marriage that you had was made not in the name of the LOVE of God, then, that Marriage is invalid in the eyes of God. The LOVE of God is different from the love of men... The LOVE of God is perfect but the love of men is imperfect if they will never reject themselves first... The perfect Love is always selfless while the imperfect love is always selfish... Love is the harmony of feelings in one's own pure heart; it is not the urge to please oneself but the desire to be selfless at all times is the true essence of Love...
@@pastorbri That’s the attitude, though I’m sure your definition of homophobe and the term itself is problematic. People who hate gay people aren’t scared of them.
@@justchilling704 thats NOT what homophobia means......a phobia is an irrational hate, dislike or fear or all 3, so in this case, most homophobics don't fear LGBT no, just irrationally dislike them.
@@pastorbri Apostle Paul Condemned Homosexuality and no it's not for pagan practices. The Word Paul used in Greek was arsenokoitais which mean men bed with men
Contrary to what Frank says, "tolerance" is not a universal tolerance of any viewpoint. If a person makes blatantly racist or for that matter anti-gay statements, I do not feel any obligation to be tolerant of that viewpoint. I do believe the person has the right to his opinion and has the right to live in society in any manner he chooses just so long as his actions do not infringe on the rights of others. A person has the right to state he wants others (gays, persons of other ethnicities, etc.) to be denied human rights. However, that is a bigoted mentality.
First of all, why equate sexual behaviors with ethnicity/skin color? One is an immutable trait. The other is not. I'll leave you to discern which is which. Second, there are no human rights being denied to homosexuals in America. They are free to openly live as they choose. No one stops them. No one is advocating for stopping them. Contrast that with other countries (ex: Iran) where they are openly murdered. It's ridiculous to compare these two situations. And it's insulting to the poor souls who are thrown off buildings, tossed in pits, hanged from cranes and who knows what other horrors. As a side note, funny how I've not heard of any Muslim business owners being sued by homosexuals for declining to bake a cake, provide flowers, or photograph their wedding ceremonies, because it would conflict with their religious beliefs. Why is that? Disagreeing with homosexuality (or the rest of the ever-increasing alphabet acronym) is not bigoted. There's nothing bigoted about disagreeing with lifestyles that go against biology itself and that end up being physically & psychologically destructive. If disagreement is bigoted, then are you not also bigoted for disagreeing with me?
@Yesica1993 Well, you strawmanned my comment either intentionally, or not. When I speak of human rights, I am referring to all human rights, including the right for two adults to marry each other. As for lawsuits and Muslims, I don't know what you are talking about. Disagreeing with homosexual lifestyles is not bigotry. What is a bigoted mentality is believing gays should be denied rights based of their gender preference.
@@Yesica1993 Being homosexual isn't a choice, this happens outside of a persons intention and while you said that it isn't immutable it's not that easy. Sometimes a sexuality can change but it doesn't work as easily for some people as it does for some others. For people with no attraction to the opposite sex whatsoever a process like this can be difficult, expensive and might not even work at all. So while it is not 100% on par with ethnicity and skin color it is very close. (also skin color can technically change, just not very well. Ever heard of tanning?) Members of the LGBT community in the US can, by law, live as they choose, yes. However, many of them are practically being terrorized by Christians for "acting against god" many are being disowned by their parents and some even receive death threats. But aside from the extreme Christians there are also people like the woman in this video, who still tolerate homosexuals but just disagree with them. The way she was acting based on what she said was completely ok. I don't think she should be forced to attend anything that promotes things she doesn't agree with. However, I have a problem with Frank's suggestion. Telling members of the LGBT community that they are harming others and themselves and reminding them that you believe they might go to hell for this can lead to serious mental health issues for them. I understand that in your opinion you think you are helping them but this is just your opinion and I think it should really be up to the people affected. If what you were saying was true, meaning that they really are harming others and themselves this would be a different story, but it isn't proven to be true. To my knowledge, there aren't any objective standards that say homosexuality is wrong (no, Christianity, the Bible or God are not objective standards, they are an unproven claim. Also even God was undeniably real, him just saying "homosexuality is wrong" still doesn't make for an objective standard, that's just God's opinion.)
@TwwwJ JwwwT Rights that could and have been denied are the right to marry regardless of sexual orientation. Other rights that have been denied are the same rights that were once denied to women and blacks.
What’s the most important commandment? Love God and Love each other. 2 dudes kissing grosses me out. I can’t help it. But LOVE EACH OTHER. It’s not that difficult on paper, but living it is a different story.
Remember the cities sodom and Gomorrah that God destroyed? As i remember the men wanted to have sex with the male angels. Hint hint. Love means be kind compassionate, not support sin. Scripture also says dont bring evil into your home
Whether you agree with same sex relationships or not is irrelevant. However, everyone and I mean everyone must be afforded the same polite, considerate, and courteous interaction. Whether this interaction occurs at work, or during social gatherings, or simply in passing. This is the only way for society to function together!
...it IS for the sake of a functioning society because bad behavior does not deserve anything just because it exists, that's why things are so tense in our modern society today...
"The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Karl Popper described it as the seemingly paradoxical idea that, 'In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance'." (Wikipedia)
Part of the problem is the difference between worldly and Godly Love. Godly love say its wrong, sorry your living in sin and you must repent but worldly love say “aaawww” thats so nice they found someone to love, based strictly on emotion rather than truth. Yes emotion is good but it needs to be in check with the Truth of Gods word not how a person “feels”
the best way to love them is to tell them the truth. But of course we are commanded to treat everyone as we would want to be treated and that is very loving
@@camirrawilliamson1749 that's why if you copy and paste a lot, especially christian messages, you must move the words around so that way the algorithm is not going to pick up your repetitive copy paste and delete them
In 1990 - "Am I unloving for not affirming pre marital sex behavior?" In 2000 - "Am I unloving for not affirming extra marital sex behavior?" In 2020 - "Am I unloving for not affirming same sex behavior?" In 2025 - "Am I unloving for not affirming animal love behavior?" In 2030 - "Am I unloving for not affirming child love behavior? This was the direction societies go until they're destroyed by God.
We're talking about love between two consenting adults. If you really can't see the difference between love and victims you're messed up. You really consider making love the exact same thing as rape?
@@repelsteeltje2187 Umm.. you're missing the whole point. That's the point. That whatever reasoning that can be used to justify whatever sexual perversion is used for whatever era. "Two consenting adults" is used to justify fornication and whatever sexual immorality/perversion that works with that. But as you move on and become more depraved and start getting desensitized to let's say pederasty, you come up with a different reasoning to justify that - "Teenagers are smart enough to make their own choices". And on. Are you going to use "two consenting adults" reasoning to justify incest? A mom and a son? Why don't you apply that there? Oh how inconsistent. The reason why you don't apply that there (for now) is because you haven't been desensitized to incest (yet). (Like people weren't desensitized enough in 1990 with homosexuality) But once you've gotten desensitized enough (that depraved - like you are with other sexual perversions now) you'll start using that reasoning. Which proves that like I said people will come up with whatever reasoning to justify anything. Like you're doing now. Repent now when you have the chance. Once you die, you won't have any chance for all eternity. All those that were living justifying pederasty in the Greco Roman world right now have been in hell the past 1800 years. You'll be joining them if you don't repent. Romans 1:18-32
@@repelsteeltje2187 umm. when God first created 2 human beings, 1 man and 1 woman, siblings were the only option. after a few thousand years, incest forbidden. and even with incest, it was never parent and child.
The clearest use of this phrase actually derives from Mahatma Gandhi in his 1929 autobiography: “Hate the sin and not the sinner.” But Gandhi's full statement has a bit different flavor. The quote is not found within the Bible. Yes, "You can love a person without loving their sin.' Pray for all, from your enemies to your loved ones disobeying Our Heavenly Father, that he will open their eyes and they will be saved.
Why do people confuse lust with love? It's lust. Say it as it is. Stand your ground and do not apologise for speaking truth. But do it in a loving and gentle way.
@god first bro So God sends people undeserving of hell to hell? No. If I warned you that Allah will strike you down and send you to hell tomorrow unless you convert to Islam, and that happens, is it your fault? Or my fault for saying crazy stuff without a nick of evidence
One problem she has is that she kept saying, "this is how I feel." A better response is that her position is based off of God's Word. A Christian's response must include this fact: Her feelings about this issue are irrelevant. It only matters what God's Word says about it.
The burden of proof for proving/ disproving God's existence isn't on the theist, any more than it is on the atheist. Libraries (digital and physical) are replete with argumentation for the options that best explain the reality we all observe. Unfortunately, you have contributed nothing to the conversation, except to demonstrate your laziness and/or ignorance of the copious amount of scholarship available on these subjects. BTW, the same goes for the proofs for the veracity of the Bible. There are certainly great arguments for the position which I hold, but I will not be artificially ascribed the burden of proof. Basically, this discussion boils down to a difference in world views, assumptions, etc. My point remains.
@@jbish3721 The burden of proof for proving/ disproving God's existence isn't on the theist, any more than it is on the atheist. Libraries (digital and physical) are replete with argumentation for the options that best explain the reality we all observe. Unfortunately, you have contributed nothing to the conversation, except to demonstrate your laziness and/or ignorance of the copious amount of scholarship available on these subjects. BTW, the same goes for the proofs for the veracity of the Bible. There are certainly great arguments for the position which I hold, but I will not be artificially ascribed the burden of proof. Basically, this discussion boils down to a difference in world views, assumptions, etc. My point remains. Wrong. Christians are the ones making incredibly specific supernatural claims about morality, how the universe was created, and even about history and they use these claims to brainwash people - including children - into believing those unsubstantiated ideas. If atheists are to be correct in their assertion that there is no god, where exactly are they supposed to find evidence for something that doesn't exist? The idea that the two share the same burden of proof is completely nonsensical. Good for you btw that you can find arguments on the internet that validate your worldview. You act as if you couldn't do the exact same for any other completely irrational position. I've listened to a lot of the arguments, and they're always disingenuous because the atheist is typically charitable enough to where instead of asking for proof of a specific idea of god (like christianity for example, which get more and more absurd with just how specific the claims get) the expectation is usually for them to prove the existence of god by even the utmost vaguest concept and they never can. It's always some form of circular reasoning, special pleading, ad hoc, and irrelevant appeals to emotion which actually have nothing to do about the viability of a god existing. And you know, the thing is I don't even take issue with the idea of god by the utmost vague definition, because that in its self doesn't make assertions about morality in how people should live their lives, nor does it make any claims that are used to undermine science.
Once again, theists are not bound to the burden of proof regarding these particular subjects. Those who appeal to purely naturalistic processes as the origin of naturalistic processes (atheists) clearly argue with circularity. X (time, space, matter) cannot be the source of X, logically speaking. Logic is on the theist's side with regard to this point. The conversation gets much, much deeper, of course, but it doesn't take long to see the fallacious basis of some of the atheists' arguments. Additionally morality cannot be rationally defended in an atheistic, materialistic worldview. Meaningful laws can only come from an objective law giver. Materialists must necessarily rely on subjectivity and have absolutely no warrant to lean on an objective standard. Perhaps moral "standards" in his worldview can enjoy a majority agreement, but he cannot truly lean on an objective standard. At best, his opinion is just that... his opinion. I'm not bound to one's opinion, unless he is the objective moral law giver that we call God. I don't scrub the internet for my data any more than you; I just interpret the data differently. You don't know who I am, nor do you have knowledge of my study habits. Your assumption was errant. I'm sorry that you haven't seen the irrationality of your indefensible position from scholarly debates/ arguments. I'm sure I'm not going to convince you in this case, especially in this feed, nor am I interested in doing so. This is RUclips, not a debate forum. I was once an atheist and came to the position I now hold after much searching. Perhaps you will also, and perhaps you won't. I will, nonetheless, pray that you do.
J Ovesen “And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that” Non-Christians can love according to the context of this scripture. We just don’t have a moral obligation to love our enemies, because let’s face it, doing so feels fake, forced, unnatural, and pointless.
@@Godlimate no pagans cant love like scripture says. God is Holy and perfect love, no human can do it. We can try but most pagans don't understand bible at all.
Humans have free will and most who bash bible dont comprehend it so you read facts and you act how you judge best. And honestly i am 1 to not care if people like me or not and im sure you knew answer to question before you posted. So why do you ask if you are not loving
Yall really do pick and choose which of the lords laws he really meant. Bet you eat shellfish and wear mixed fabrics because that's of an old covenant, but yall still accept that gods stance on gays has not changed? Why? The stance on shellfish and slavery changed. Why not the gays?
Read the New Testament. Romans is very clear on the subject. And, for the record, there isn't an ounce of divine law in the Old Testament promoting or approving of slavery or the eating of shellfish. That is Jewish law. God's law was the 10 Commandments, which the children of Israel took and turned into Leviticus.
@@jupiterrising887 some of these laws are written in the exact same book as the 10 commandments. Quite literally in the next chapter. But that aside, you really trust the writing of paul? That's hilarious.
@@youtubespag So? Yes, I do. He performed miracles, spread the Gospel, and died for Jesus when he was beheaded at the order of Nero. What have you done?
@@jupiterrising887 so exactly what I said at the beginning. You're picking and choosing. And being dishonest considering you said none of those laws were about slavery, and yet some of them are. Lmao I'm not suprised you believe all that. But honestly paul did not do all of that. I've probably had a more positive impact on the world than paul just by speaking against religion.
@@jupiterrising887 honestly I can make the same claims to miracles paul did. One time I smacked this guy with astigmatism across the face with my cock and bam. 2020 vision. It was a miracle.
Glad to hear him say, "this is not my morality." I guess that means what he promotes, he doesn't believe. Only kidding, of course. It's so disingenuous for someone to say, "This isn't my morality; it's God's." Such nonsense. If they are promoting this view, as he is, then it clearly IS his morality. ALL morality is filtered through human beings, so it's no good trying to absolve yourself of the responsibility of promoting a value system. In that sense it is most definitely "yours."
Praise God. No, you misunderstood, he might have said it wrong, but he was trying to say that God is the one who established the moral law. He wasn't saying that, he was saying God is the Law giver and who gives the Law. If you acknowledge it to be the law it doesn't make it his law but since it is the law he is under compulsion to follow it. Like e.g. i might not agree on laws concerning abortion but if a country says it is ok to do so, then i can say it is the country's law even if i hold a different view. In this case frank is agreeing but he is also implying that he didn't make it he just follows it because it is the objective morality. Otherwise it is just based on emotions. Like hitler thought killing Jews was good but i disagree. But that's just my opinion unless i have a standard outside of myself to compare it to. E.g. If i have 2 wonky lines and id have a straight line to compare it to then it is just my opinion and not actually necessarily true. Frank is saying "it isn't my morality its God's" is just trying to say that i didn't make it, God did and if God did then it goes that i should follow it. Otherwise it would be rebellion. If you believe God is real and God is truth, If you disagree with God then you are disagreeing with truth which then makes you a unreasonable creature. Praise God.
@@whitevortex8323 You simply cannot use the Hebraic laws as the basis for EVERYTHING. There is some wisdom for sure, but also some folly. And what's particularly moral about "having no other gods before me" or "using the Lord's name in vain"? These are not moral statement, tho "Though shalt not kill" is. But of course, morality isn't simple. Is it okay to kill if it protects your child? Is it moral to "honor your father and mother" if they are crack-addicted child abusers? Things get more complex when you get down to real moral questions.
@@erichetherington9314 Praise God. Well no there is no folly. What is moral about, about having no other gods ?It is unjust. e.g. if i were to make some sick time travel invention and then everybody else started giving all the credit to someone else is that fair. It is injustice. Using the Lord's name in vain, if everyone used ur name in vain then i think you would start to get offended. I'm not saying God gets offended. I'm just giving speculations why it is offensive. Exodus 22:2-3 clearly shows self defence is ok. It is ok to protect others and yourself. The commandment is do not murder (wrongful killing). Yes, we are told to honour our mother and father even if they are addicted child abusers. Your Mother gave you birth, what gift can you give in return of equal value. Your father helped with giving you birth. Each person has something there is to honour about them. If you look closely there is something good about them. If you read exodus, you will see there is more than just 10 commandments. They are case specific. If you understand what it implies, then you will see what to do in xyz occasions. Praise God.
@Mickey Barnyard I presume when you wrote "get all your majority" you meant 'Get all your morality." All? I don't think so. The Bible is a book (or 66 if you like--all the more reason to be skeptical that it's "God's Word" when it had so many authors over so much time) that couldn't possibly address all the moral questions in the world. For instance, is God's murder of the entire population (except Noah and family) moral? What about his advocating slaughter for the Israelites in the Old Testament? Is that moral? Is it moral to let your own son die? Would you do that? Or if you want to get modern about it, is it moral or immoral to let same-sex couples live the way they feel they should when they're doing no harm?Is it moral to outlaw abortion or is it immoral? Does the baby take precedence or does the mother? The Ten Commandments ask us to "Honor our fathers and mothers." Since so many people take those statements as moral lynchpins, should we honor those folks even if they beat their children, or become drug-addicted, or sell them into slavery of some kind? Is Capitalism moral when so many are left behind? Is Communism, when so many suffer? There are MANY places to get one's morality, from books, to other people, to experience, to reflection etc. It's naive to claim the Bible has all the answers.
Turek is making something simple, difficult, to confuse you people. He thinks there is something wrong with being gay because god thinks there is something wrong with being gay. Turek doesn't take responsibility for his own intolerance.
It's not like he's saying gay people should get beat up. Using the definition of Tolerance he is tolerant. You got to remember it's the libtards who don't like to tolerate differing opinions.
@@shadycnetwork No, what Turek is saying is that people who are gay and act out on their feelings are sinning against God and worthy of damnation. You know that is intolerance; you know that is wrong. Why are you justifying Turek's intolerance?
@@davidtravis270 Justifying? Because he's got the right to his own opinion. You got to remember you can mydayis Channel. That'd be like coming to his doorstep LOL. I don't think they Stripped Away the right to have an opinion have they yet?
For anyone who has sexual attraction to the same sex or if they're in a committed relationship with a person of the same sex, there's nothing wrong with you.
@@jacksfavorite4808 God himself determined this... Heres an example: If we leave humanity to decide what is moral, and what is not. Then *Atheist Joseph Stalin* did the moral thing by murdering 30,000,000++ million of his own people. He truly believed he was doing the right thing. Who are we to deny his truth? Your opinion? My opinion? Joseph's Opinion? Or God's opinion?
@@jacksfavorite4808 Through his ministry. He was literally the perfect human. Fully God, and Fully Man. He was conceived by the miraculous power of the holy spirit. Therefore, he did not fall under the same curse of Adam like the rest of humanity. Therefore, he was capable of enduring unimaginable pain, sin for our sake. Through his ministry he spoke, taught, and walked in the fullness of the law. He had many followers to attest to his miracles.
This is one thing that keeps me from fully embracing Christianity. I don't want to stop accepting or start discriminating against people for their sexual prefrences. I've always valued acceptance and I don't wanna stop that just because I became a Christian. It's a big conflict with me.
What is more compassionate and loving: to encourage someone to do something that's going to hurt them and ultimately lead to their eternal damnation, or speak the truth in an effort to see them stop what they're doing? You can't be their accomplice. If your loved one had a drug problem, you probably wouldn't help put the needle in their arm. What they are doing is wrong, and it has consequences in this life and the next. To have real compassion, real love, for someone is to tell them the truth.
TRUE CHRISTIAN LOVE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,by A. W. PINK ******Love is the Queen of the Christian graces********* It is a holy disposition given to us when we are born again by God. It is the love of God shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit. True spiritual love is characterized by meekness and gentleness, yet it is vastly superior to the courtesies and kindnesses of the flesh. We must be careful not to confuse human sentimentality, carnal pleasantries, human amiability and affability with true spiritual love. The love God commands, first to Himself and then to others, is not human love. It is not the indulgent, self-seeking love which is in us by nature. If we indulgently allow our children to grow up with little or, no Scriptural discipline, Proverbs plainly says we do not love them, regardless of the human sentimentality and affection we may feel for them. Love is not a sentimental pampering of one another with a loose indifference as to our walk and obedience before the Lord. Glossing over one another's faults to ingratiate ourselves in their esteem is not spiritual love. The true nature of Christian love is a righteous principle which seeks the highest good of others. It is a powerful desire to promote their welfare. The exercise of love is to be in strict conformity to the revealed will of God. We must love in the truth. Truth without love is not truth. Love without truth is not love. Love among the brethren is far more than an agreeable society where views are the same. It is loving them for what we see of Christ in them, loving them for Christ's sake. The Lord Jesus Himself is our example. He was not only thoughtful, gentle, self-sacrificing and patient, but He also corrected His mother, used a whip in the Temple, severely scolded His doubting disciples, and denounced hypocrites. True spiritual love is above all faithful to God and uncompromising towards all that is evil. We cannot declare, 'Peace and Safety' when in reality there is spiritual decay and ruin! True spiritual love is very difficult to exercise because it is not our natural love. By nature we would rather love sentimentally and engender good feelings. Also many times true spiritual love is not received in love, but is hated as the Pharisees hated it. We must pray that God will fill us with His love and enable us to exercise it without dissimulation toward all.
Praise God. When he means the Morality, he is referring to the being we call God. Since God is the morality and is one being it makes sense. He is the Morality itself. Praise God.
@Joker Praise God. The Bible is not against freedom of speech as far as im aware. Also, God is the one who put the moral law on our hearts. What do you mean, your Conscience is proof that you have a moral law in your heart. Even if things may change your conscience we have a rough moral law in heart and bible reinforces anyone who's conscience has been corrupted or special cases. Praise God.
@Joker Praise God. LOL. In today's society if you say racist or sexist things it causes punishment too. This is the same with old days in this case. Morals cannot be subjective otherwise what hitler did is not wrong that's just ur opinion. If morals are subjective then if a country supports rape that should be ok. Is what ISIS doing wrong. Yes it is wrong cos morals are objective and no subjective. Praise God.
@Joker Praise God. No, not neccesarily, God has 2 types of will but One will. He has his permissive will and ordained will. Like ordained could be the Earth's gravitational force remains the same and his permissive will is like letting us sin. If this is the predestination and free will argument. I have a good answer. It's like me borrowing a recording of a football Game. He tells me the score between the two teams is 2 :1. When i watch it i know the results is 2:1 but me knowing didn't force that result. The same with God, God knowing doesn't force that result. You have to understand God is outside of time and the way he sees time is different to us. God sees the past the present and the future in one eternal moment. For him everything has happened,, is happening and will happen in one eternal moment. Thank you for your time. Praise God.
@Joker Praise God. The Bible itself does not say it has to be in the Bible for evidence. So, let me ask you where in the Bible does it stated it has to be in the Bible. That is just self refuting. Praise God.
I very recently either greatly damaged or utterly destroyed my relationship with my cousin because I refuse to tolerate her sleeping with, living with, her not her husband boyfriend. I tell her look, hes is dragging you into sin and you are letting it happen and you profess to be a christian but you commit adultery without a second thought. I love her very much but I simply can not stand by on the side and pretend that I am okay with the fact that she commits adultery like it doesnt matter. I have not heard a word from her since I went to her with my concern. I think she hates me now. But like Jesus said. If the world hates you know that it hated me first. I am completely willing to lose my entire family if that is what it takes to walk in the light with Jesus.
I'm a christian and have gay friends and have been honest about loving them unconditionally and unbiased. But have mentioned the sin and its repercussion eternally and salvation as a choice in love, then keep praying for them into the kingdom, just like some did me when I was a heathen. Love above all, it is our earmark according the the list of spiritual gift in Ch. 13 of Corinthians "agape" supernatural love which is sacrificial.
My brother is a homosexual and claims to love God and he Justifys his life style by saying Love forgives a multitude of sin. Also that God doesnt make mistakes God made him that way. I tried explaining that not biblical but now I just keep him in my prayers
"that's the way i feel, well that's the way i feel" being gay isn't a choice. being homophobic *is* a choice. so you're going to skip your family member's wedding because they are marrying the same sex? this is disgusting behavior. just accept your family, and accept who they are, because who they are is the real them.
You are soooo ignorant. That's like saying if my family is robbing a house I should go with them because I love them. You people need to start thinking for once.
take it from me, I have been with females since I was 16. In 2010 I met my wife, and we got married in 2016. Jane 2017 God shook my life and its going on 4 years. Yes I am still married to her but the changes within marriage is noticeable ... I dont tolerate things that are wrong in our fathers eye, I just deal with my situation as I change and grow. One day I will be a done with it. Sometimes you just got to be real! If that puts distance between you and your family. I still love my friends, but I wont talk them into anything thats not right.
Where is that statement in the Bible, as a quote from God? God's nature is love, which is also why He is Just, and explains why He can't tolerate our sin yet He always offers Redemption to those who will accept it.
@@johnnyappleseed5029 Here is just one quote from scripture that says God hates sinners. Psalm 5:5 King James Version (KJV) 5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
This is not a boundary. The woman with the question provided a formulation promoting herself the center of answer. In which case, it is never unloving whatever she is. She seems boundless to me. I love her as such. Loving is as simple as us all in a single Holy package. An argument is always personal. A debate is stochastic. Respect for every person on a personal basis is what love is all about. Sexuality is contained exclusively in that package. Be and let be. Amen.
Tolerance, is not acceptance. Loving someone is not by always accepting whatever decision they make even if you know it's bad, confrontation should come, even just once, if they refused and still insisted to do the same mistakes, you have no choice but to tolerate it
God's grace is not a lisence to live in sin. ( ROMANS 6:1)
then why do you continue to sin?
@@Izzazzo do you understand the difference between being a slave to sin and a slave to righteousness? Do you understand what happens to a Christian when they give their heart to Jesus?
@@christtheonlyhope4578 don't answer my question with a question. You said: grace is not a licence to live in sin. And I asked you, then why do you continue to sin? And I would like to know....if that is the case, why do you keep on sinning?
@@Izzazzo I'll answer the question any way I choose to answer it.
@@Izzazzo the question is do you understand the relationship between a Christian and sin in comparison to an unbeliever and sin?
I think she's doing it right. She accepts them, loves them, and treats them kindly. There's no rule that she must go to gay pride shows or events or anything like that. If they continue to have a problem with it then she just needs to remove them for her life because going to events with them is a choice, not an obligation. She loves them and isn't spewing hatred or nasty things at them and that's all that really matters.
@@theespionageact5249 you didn't read the book
@@theespionageact5249 It's apparent to me that you're just here to troll people in the comment section. Like it or not, you will never be able to use moral arguments (which are given to us in the Bible from God) against God. You have no grounds for objective morality without the "Book" to which you refer.
@A Sojourner because what he says speaks to those effects. He read someone's cliff notes
@TwwwJ JwwwT giving you evidence you dont like isnt contemptible. Sorry bud.
@@KaeBae_ demonstrate objective morality exists. Then demonstrate a god is necessary for that.
I love how humble and careful this lady was with the way she speaks
Grace says. “Anybody can come to God.” Truth says, “Everyone must come through Jesus.”
Grace says, “God is love.” Truth says, “God is holy.”
Grace says, “I love sinners.” Truth says, “I hate sin.”
Grace without truth is deceptive. Truth without grace is defective. (“insensitive.”)
Truth - grace = legalism.
Grace - truth = liberalism.
Grace + truth=liberty. Grace wants to free you, but only the truth will set you free.
We’ve created in our culture “A God without wrath, who brings men without sin, into a kingdom without judgment, through the ministry of a Christ, without a cross. - H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America.
Wow amen
Wow
Thanks for sharing this 🤯
Wow, thank you for sharing. I'll share it with others too (family, friends, ...).
Really nicely illustrated.
The answer to the question is, "I can't bless something that God has cursed." lovingly of course.
Love this
How do you "loving" tell someone God has cursed their relationship? If you think that's love you don't know what love is.
Hope Berry God is love. He is the very definition of it so anything that is in defiance of that, is the opposite of love. So, I believe it’s you that doesn’t understand love.
@@brokenvessel8886 God is love? You mean the same God that condoned rape, genocide and slavery? No that's not my definition of love. I understand love, but I can't believe that any God or gods that would condone these things is the definition love.
@@Rainbow_Panda Just because those things happens does not mean God condones those things. But he can use awful things for a different and good purpose.
For a while my lesbian daughter said I didn't love her because I didn't affirm her homosexuality. I told her that I love her unconditionally and that she was more than her sexuality. Finally, by holding my ground, she finally admitted that she believes I do love her.
She needs to find Christ and maybe those sexual desires will disappear
@@franbatista9062 they may not disappear completely, but God can help her redirect them. Just like an alcoholic will always be tempted. They can manage it.
Agape love is the love of God. “For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. Romans 5:6. But God proves His own love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us!” Romans 5:8 Jesus didn’t come to die for the godly. Sanctification is a process and these verse helped me not to beat myself up repeatedly for my sins because God loves the ungodly and wants them back and He proves it by the great lengths He took to get us back. Sanctification is a process where an individual’s layers of sinful attitudes and actions are peeled away. I know God loves me because He keeps saying “ Come to me all who are heavy laden and I will give you rest. Matthew 11:28. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light. Matthew 11:30. Who can’t serve a God like that?
@jeanniestaller797:
Sexuality cannot be separated from the self.
@@DebbyEvans says who? Man has a sin nature, a fleshly nature,a corrupting nature. But with the Holy Spirit which is God man can overcome that nature. It will take a more powerful force;it will take God. “For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world- our faith.” 1 John 5:4
"Are you a tolerant person?"
"Yes I am"
"Good, then that means if I give a view that is opposite to yours you'll tolerate it then right? Cause we may not agree, but we can tolerate each other and respect one another"
OH.MY.GOD! I never even considered phrasing it like that!!!
Tolerate everything except intolerance. Because then a murderer could just say "Tolerate me, we simply disagree"
I don't tolerate racism, is that wrong?
@@pastorbri not at all, however spending hours on this comment section is a waste of time tbh
@@yeetus_reetus_deeleetus not if God tells me otherwise
@@christian-ec1rg He can have a world view that includes murder being wrong, so it is a good example.
Love and truth go hand in hand.
EXACTLY
depends how you define them...
Kiki Tesha Collins more like love and feelings go hand in hand
And the Bible is the truth
Sounds like team rocket? jk
The definition of tolerance has almost been ‘redefined’ to suit the aggression from those desperate to convince themselves that what they are doing is ‘ok’
Not "almost". It has been completely turned inside out. It means (or used to mean) disagreeing, but being willing to put up with something. Now it means you HAVE to not just agree, but celebrate.
Leftists are masters of language manipulation. That's something we don't hear talked about very much.
They don't just want it to be seen as "ok" or neutral. They want it to be seen as good. They want affirmation, similar to how Christians affirm marriage. They want to be celebrated. Think "hearty approval" as described in Romans 1:32.
SamOwenI yeah, I agree, the idea of ‘agree to disagree’ had a basis of respect, where if the root desire is ‘affirmation’ - it changes everything.
@@SamOwenI they want to be seen as equal i think.
@@theespionageact5249 and of course, as Christians, we view the lives of everybody in the LGBT movement to be equal in value to everybody else. But they don't just want that. They want homosexuality to be seen as equally good as husband-wife sexuality.
A good response. But know that the new tactic for getting around the, "Are you a tolerant person?" is for them to say, "I am. But I am not tolerant of bigots." They've already judged you. That's how they play the game these days.
Yeah, and that's when you simply break down the difference between intolerance for people with different views (bigotry), and intolerance for sin.
Asking someone if they are tolerant isn’t bigoted.
That statement makes them lose the argument anyways. Because they contradict the meaning of Tolerance. Therefore, I would just say you're a fool because you've contradicted yourself. And you're actually cringe for saying the word bigot.
but homophobics are bigots......its just a fact of life. Deal with it.
No one is saying that but just because i don’t want to go to pride day or drag queen shoes does not mean I am a bigot. My friend who is muslim would not tell me to watch an Islamic gathering worshiping Alláh and call me islamaphobic if I did not...ssooo
The problem comes in when "they" start suing the baker. Btw, marriage is a Christian tradition. What kind of blessing "they" expect from God? Be fruitful and multiply?
You are simply right
They don't believe or like God
So women without the ability to have children shouldnt get married. Got it.
@@theespionageact5249 strawman
@TwwwJ JwwwT if it's sodomy involving a woman, then it's hetero! any laws about that in your bible?
Scripture says if you love family more than God, you cant love God. Put no man, as in human 1st. And if they try to fight you if you do nothing wrong to them, just claim freedom of religion. You got as much right to obey God as they think they do in their pride. Boast God, try to win souls when can
I would say you have more right to obey God than they do in their pride. God is before all things. That's why we follow Him before we follow man, government, or anything in this world.
Nah... I would rather love my fellow beings than God(if he/she exists)
@@stafinator3932 oh He does and you had best hope you have a reckoning with Him because He is coming to judge all. Make peace with the Jailer before you are found guilty and thrown into prison.
@@wookieninja8794 Well I don't know if he exists... Well I would disagree with quite a lot of his decisions... maybe God and I could talk about it when the day comes?
@@stafinator3932 you are so blind that you don't understand. There will be no talking when the time comes. You either bend the knee before or you will be tormented forever in the Lake of Fire. You have no reason to think you can go in and talk to the president so what makes you think that would happen with El' Roi?
I had a gay relative tell me they don’t want tolerance. Rather, they want 100 percent complete acceptance or nothing.
They're all like that but at least your relative was honest
Well that makes things easy. Tell them under those strict conditions, they get nothing, ez pz.
@@mr1spamification how Christ like of you.
colby j it is actually. If one were to demand Christ to accept something sinful 100% or give nothing else of himself, he would choose to give nothing per their demand.
@@mr1spamification where does christ say gay marriage is sinful.
Jesus hung out with prostitutes...
I think you are projecting your views onto jesus.
“Love means you protect the loved ones” Love does not require approval. Amen to that.
which is why we must never approve of homophobia
@@pastorbri What are you talking about? You might as well just call Jesus a homophobe, because he doesn't like homosexuality either.
@@CelticSpiritsCoven and I assume you have proof of this? Show me a verse where Jesus mentions and condemns LGBT people......if you can't, I hope u repent of telling lies in Jesus name and calling men of God like me.....the balls in ur court now......waiting!!!!!!
@@CelticSpiritsCoven Yeah where does jesus say not to indulge in same sex behaviour?
The verse on same sex behavior in the new testament is said by Paul, not by Jesus.
@@stafinator3932 who was Paul representing?
You are actually being loving by being truthful. Ezekiel 3:18 says it perfectly. We must be truthful in love. We all must remember the warnings in scripture that say "they will not endure sound doctrine" and that "what is evil will be called good and what is good will be called evil." We are living in those times.. be faithful and don't compromise because those that compromise will lose their reward.
I love this brother. I've read the Bible ever day for thirty-four years, Genesis to Revelation each year along with countless studies including Biblical Hebrew. This teacher lets the evidence determine the outcome. He is the best I've ever seen except for Josh McDowell for defining truth in the Bible. Thank you Dr. Frank Turek. You are spot on.
Tolerance ends when you express a christian opinion 🤔
they dont even need to know you are a christian, if you speak anything that is based on the christian world view its already over.
I'm a Christian, and I know what you're trying to say--but I am not sure it's as artful as you think. Because what you're saying is: If you don't allow me to discriminate against you, you're not being tolerant. Being tolerant is about respecting self-conviction, which, yes, includes respecting folks with different opinions.
That's true. Although our view of the world SHOULD be different than everyone else.
You can be LGBT and Christian
@Dan Saber
That’s like saying you can be pro porn and still be a Christian. Pro lies,
Pro gossip etc. horrible argument
Stand your ground. Stay strong in the Lord.
Stand your ground. Stay ignorant.
"If I express an opinion that's different than yours, you'll tolerate it then"~quote of 2019
Ill take my unfounded opinion and try to force it into a science class
-creationism
@@theespionageact5249 evolutionism/global warming/gender theory.
@@theespionageact5249 I'll take my claim, try to fit science into that claim and regardless if it fits or not shove it down everyone's throat from elementary school to college so that, whether the facts support it or not, people will believe it to be true- evolution
Lamb Chop, hallo. Do you believe that anger towards people is right to God? Yes or no?
@@Scorpion-my3dv Most facts do support evolution, dumbo. There's a few holes in the theory and guess what? It's not creationists who actually brought up those holes in an intellectual space, it's scientists, specifically biologists. The people who unlike you, actually understand evolution. Evolution is a far better explanation for life on earth than creationism which is literally just "God done did it."
What a great answer. Actions always speak louder than words. If a person really values others' beliefs they are willing to give them equal footing in the public square.
I value beliefs that are based in rationality, not on unsubstantiated fairy tales. It isn't fair to the countless people who are discriminated against to base society on mythology.
Exactly what he said. The statement 'love is love' isn't an all encompassing statement, every one of us have boundaries, so if you were to say to someone who espoused the above statement but then asked them if it's ok to love your parent in that way or a child they would probably argue 'well obviously not'. The question is who holds the key to understanding the obvious?
Respect the person, not the act.
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true, I respect homophobics .... but NOT the act
true, I respect homosexuals.....but NOT the act
@David Watson what are you on about!! I mean respecting the person is not relating to what they believe! Within laws and logic boundaries.
To think love means to aprove everything is tomissunderstood love.
Got it, thank you sir.
Gin,
PS: that argument in the debate, "do you love is, and do you approve of us?"
It reminded me of that WEAPON,
That double edge sword...
What a magnificant sword...
That sword of truth...
That cuts both side...
Its golden, "do unto other what you want others do unto you"...
Oh Yeshua... How I love your teaching.
which is why we must never approve of homophobia
That’s the most accurate and sound-minded question I have ever heard
It’s the difference between empathy and sympathy. It would be empathetic to participate, sympathetic to have your own ideals, yet still compassionate towards others.
Great information and another analogy for my families who practice shaman.
As a Christian, I attend their events and don't practice shaman with them. When I invite them to my events, they said they will come but they never did. 🤔
He nailed it!
Trust Jesus, because He arose from the death, glory to God! ✝️
Prove it.
@@theespionageact5249Why you think me or any of my brothers and sisters in Christ want to prove you anything?
The Bible makes declarations, statements about the Truth! It's 100% infallible and that's because it's the inspired Holy Word of the Eternal Creator God Almighty! I am simply proclaiming you what the Bible says. You can believe it or you can reject it. The Bible is not set to prove anything. It simply states:
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Genesis 1:1 KJV
You can say there is no God till you turn blue in the face and remain condemned, go to hell and live with all the scum of the earth and later have Satan, the beast and the false prophet for your neighbors in the lake of fire and brimstone and forever curse the day you were born..
or, I pray to God, you can humble yourself and recieve His Word and Jesus Christ as LORD and Savior, and by the grace of God - recieve His free gift of Salvation and eternal life!
The choice is yours, and that's the only choice that matters!
Because if you reject Jesus Christ, in the end, it won't matter one bit for anyone what you have chosen.
Jesus Christ is the ONLY Lamb of God that sacrificed Himself to redeem you and all of us!
He payed the sin debt with His own blood and took the full holy righteous wrath of God that is rightfully uppon our heads!
He died to ransom the slave and God raised Him from the death to show His lost children that He is loving and mercyful Father!
The second time He will come will be to recieve all His people to Himself..
and to judge all the nationsand make war and He Will prove His rebellious creation Who He IS, and my friend, Jesus Christ IS the Almighty God..
and believe me, you don't want to learn it that way! 🙏🏻✝️
@@theespionageact5249 How do we prove something you believe doesn't exist?
@@НедиславИванчев-ч9щ If one doesn't have to prove what one is saying, one can make up any lie and any story one wishes and it doesn't have to be true. So how do you distinguish fact from fiction?
@@itsJPhere Friend, you have the gift of free will to believe whatever you want. But I wanna tell you something - If you wanna know the Truth and honestly ask the One you don't believe in, and humble yourself, God may reveal to you. Remember, The Almighty created you for His purpose, He knows you better than you can ever know yourself, He knows your heart, He knows your destiny before He created the universe, and He is in no way dependent on it or us anything out of Himself, therefore God will give you the Truth when He wants to. If you are ready to recieve, He has no problem give you. God loves His people. He doesn't want anyone condemned in hell. He didn't made hell for us. It's for Satan and his angels to be punished and tormented for eternity. NOT FOR HIS CHILDREN! Jesus payed for all sin of the world! Do you think God has pleasure condemning any of His children?! It is ridiculous..
He loves you that much more that He rather died for you on a wooden cross, rejected, mocjed, humiliated, lowered Himself to a human being separated from the Father in heaven, tortured horrible mental physical, spiritual suffering from the same ones that He gave His life for?
Jesus died from a broken hearth, because everyone abandoned Him. He was the loneliest person ever walked on earth. But do you know what broke His heart? It was that when He, Who knew no sin became sin for us, and looked up to His Father, the Heavenly Father turned away and poured up His FULL HOLY WRATH on His only begotten Son and it pleases Him, because His righteousness was satisfied, the law was fulfilled and the sin debt was payed! He sent Him in this world for that reason! It was finished! Jesus came to die for us and that was the only possibility for us to be forgiven now! He loves you that much, because He did all this to provide you a way to be with Him forever and not send you to hell!
God loves you, but He is righteous also. He wants you to be saved, but He won't force you to be with Him if you don't want to. Actually He gave us free will to chose if we go with Him or we don't. He gave Satan the same free will. And the one thing you should know God WILL EVER do, is breaking His own laws. That's His character, nature! He is just! No exceptions.
So.. you can prove the Bible is 100% correct and find evidence if you investigate and many many sceptics did that, but they found it's infallible, because most of the time they tried to disprove it and in the end got saved by grace through faith!
The resurrection of Jesus you can't prove.. And if the resurrection didn't happened, nothing else matters! Search for truth, desire it, humble and realize that the moment you are ready, God does everything! Trust and He will show you. And then you will know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free! Jesus IS the way, the truth and the light and when you know Him, He sets you free!
Not me, or anyone else. I am just trying to point you the direction to Him. Nothing more, nothing less. Only God gives wisdom, knowledge and truth. Only God can reveals Himself to anyone!
God bless you and your family!
It's two kingdoms that will never be one because light and darkness is separated by God himself.
which is why homophobia is a sin
@@pastorbri no one is afraid of homosexuals. And you didn't create the commandments, so you don't get to dictate what is sin.
@@kathymichael2323 true. Homophobia is not being afraid of LGBT folk, so well spotted. And as you also didn't create the commandments or 1 tim 2;8-14 (which clearly you have gone against now!!!), so you don't get to dictate what is sin. So how come you do?
Truth is Truth whether one feels loved or not when confronted by it!
Truth is that we god by even the utmost vague and charitable definition is unproven and a Christian god is nothing but unsubstantiated myths no different than the other four thousand religions which Christians reject.
they say 'love is love''' truth is Love is Holy !
so as homophobia is a lie, it is not truth then
Repent!!!!!repent!!!Jesus is the way ,the truth and life
Susan your clamouring for a religion that supports slavery. As an ancestors of slave what a sorry sorry spectacle you are.
@@francoisona that is a lie.
Bondservants weren't forced slaves.
@@awordofwisdomwithcharlotte4670 you're talking to a person that believes any black person MUST be a slaves descendant.... so ignorant.
Yes! Amen!
@@gogetmeacoffee6790 I know 'Yes Amen' is what you repeat every sunday but honestly Magdalena you owe yourself a moral and intellectual responsibility to consider the consequences of what you approve. As a black person the question of slavery should particularly matter to you and Susan. Your bible endorses and even regulates slavery and your allegiance to you disrespect the memories of all those ancestors that have suffered the most heinous of crime.
When someone says to me 'who are you to say that?' my sincere (not flippant) response is, who are you to say I can't say that?
It puts the attention on their own judgemental behavior for a moment and maybe, just maybe, forces them to think a little deeper, if only for a moment.
That's a good one!
Wonderfully answered Dr Turik 🙏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Thank you for posting this. This is so helpful!
it is for homophobics
@@pastorbri define homofobia
@@yeetus_reetus_deeleetus the on line definition
homophobia
/ˌhɒməˈfəʊbɪə,ˌhəʊməˈfəʊbɪə/
Learn to pronounce
noun
dislike of or prejudice against gay people.
"And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them."
Genesis 19:5. >>> DO not defile yourself. The world demands that you do.
and yada means just that, to know them, so whats the sin there?
I need to remember stuff like this, Frank always has good takes to use.
Love how he explains things simple-!
heres one thats more simple, homophobia is a sin
@THE WIZE if you need to find a passage that supports hate and discrimination as being ok and holy then you are reading the wrong book to start with!
@@pastorbri What passage supports hate and discrimination?
@@pastorbri Then give me ONE verse from Scirpture that states God approves of homosexuality. I've seen you ask people of one verse that condemns it but I wanna see whether YOU can find a SINGLE verse that CLEARLY states God approves of homosexuality. Come on
*I'm waiting*
@@theemissary1433 ya ask Then give me ONE verse from Scripture that states God approves of homosexuality....but can you Then give me ONE verse from Scripture that states God approves of homophobia which is a form of hate and discrimination..... I wanna see whether YOU can find a SINGLE verse that CLEARLY states God approves of hate and discrimination. Can't wait! As the Bible never mentions homosexuality one way or another.....I can't find you anything as it clearly was not an issue, so much so Jesus never bothered to mention it.....it just wasn't an issue, so why is it an issue for you and not homophobia lifestyles?
May the good Lord Jesus Christ continue to use you for his glory ❤️
@tim hamat Jesus is God who became man for a short time in order to teach men, and offers them a way back to God, by His teachings, His death, and His resurrection from death. Jesus Him self claimed to be God over 180 times and then went on to prove it by His actions.
Never fear stating God's teaching. Never hesitate to share His truths. That is the greatest show of love you can and should make to sinners and those watching you in your walk.
It doesn’t matter how you feel or what they feel. You cannot live your life off of feelings. Imagine if people did!! I don’t FEEL. Like going to work today./ I don’t feel like stopping at the stop sign/ I don’t feel like loving my family today/ I don’t feel like paying my electricity bill/ I dont feel like eating veggies and fruit/ etc... then look at the consequences of each of these! Not good.
Why we dont Have a right to feel how we feel but they have a right to ?
Feelings can be broken. There are a lot of feelings I shouldn't act on, like rage or self-hatred. Often times, what our nature desires is often distorted, and we end up believing that if we just had that one thing (like a same-sex relationship) we would be truly happy. But nothing on this earth will truly fill our souls the way Christ does. When I surrendered my own wants and desires and trusted Him, He filled that hole in my heart far more than anything else I was craving or feeling.
Hallo. Do you support homosexuality?
Because "[...] ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake" as Jesus said.
Because feelings that lead you to hurt people are evil.
well homophobics shouldn't WANT to feel hate.......and judgmentalism, but they do.
The apostle Paul talks about a sexual relationship between two men or two women as "lust" not as love.the Greek word for lust(epithymia ) means this is an action that is a desire or craving having a negative connotation
Love the music at the end!
Love is an act of will accompanied by emotion you can be angry with some one and still love them
true, Im angry at homophobics but still love them.
The basis of Love is selfless no matter what people may say... A Love that was made within selfishness is evil no matter how you may see it...
A selfish Will is lustful...
A selfless Will is Loving...
Love is of the Spirit...
Lust is of the Flesh...
@just repelsteeltje True Love is not self-seeking... Marriage is about the Covenant of God's Love in Man... A Man for A Woman and A Woman for A Man... A Head for A Body and A Body for A Head... The Christ for His Church and The Church for her Christ... A Father to A Son and A Son to A Father... The Provider for the Receiver and the Receiver for the Provider... The Shepherd to its Sheep and the Sheep to its Shepherd... The Husband for the Wife and the Wife for the Husband... The King for His Kingdom and the Kingdom for its King... Marriage is about the Covenant made in the name of the LOVE of God and not in the name of the Lust of men...
@just repelsteeltje To Love is not to force your will to others but to let the will of others be free... Marriage is about covenants, it is a vow made between the two consenting "persons" that have distinct roles from each other in the name of the LOVE of God. Every vow in Marriage must be made righteous in the eyes of God. If the type of Marriage that you had was made not in the name of the LOVE of God, then, that Marriage is invalid in the eyes of God. The LOVE of God is different from the love of men... The LOVE of God is perfect but the love of men is imperfect if they will never reject themselves first... The perfect Love is always selfless while the imperfect love is always selfish... Love is the harmony of feelings in one's own pure heart; it is not the urge to please oneself but the desire to be selfless at all times is the true essence of Love...
Nope, disagree with a lot of things, doesn’t mean that I’m mean, towards people who practice those things.
true, Im never mean to homophobics, just their behaviour.
@@pastorbri That’s the attitude, though I’m sure your definition of homophobe and the term itself is problematic. People who hate gay people aren’t scared of them.
@Mavors I don’t want it to be, I want to live my life the way I, want to.
@@justchilling704 thats NOT what homophobia means......a phobia is an irrational hate, dislike or fear or all 3, so in this case, most homophobics don't fear LGBT no, just irrationally dislike them.
@@pastorbri Apostle Paul Condemned Homosexuality and no it's not for pagan practices.
The Word Paul used in Greek was arsenokoitais which mean men bed with men
Contrary to what Frank says, "tolerance" is not a universal tolerance of any viewpoint. If a person makes blatantly racist or for that matter anti-gay statements, I do not feel any obligation to be tolerant of that viewpoint. I do believe the person has the right to his opinion and has the right to live in society in any manner he chooses just so long as his actions do not infringe on the rights of others. A person has the right to state he wants others (gays, persons of other ethnicities, etc.) to be denied human rights. However, that is a bigoted mentality.
First of all, why equate sexual behaviors with ethnicity/skin color? One is an immutable trait. The other is not. I'll leave you to discern which is which.
Second, there are no human rights being denied to homosexuals in America. They are free to openly live as they choose. No one stops them. No one is advocating for stopping them. Contrast that with other countries (ex: Iran) where they are openly murdered. It's ridiculous to compare these two situations. And it's insulting to the poor souls who are thrown off buildings, tossed in pits, hanged from cranes and who knows what other horrors.
As a side note, funny how I've not heard of any Muslim business owners being sued by homosexuals for declining to bake a cake, provide flowers, or photograph their wedding ceremonies, because it would conflict with their religious beliefs. Why is that?
Disagreeing with homosexuality (or the rest of the ever-increasing alphabet acronym) is not bigoted. There's nothing bigoted about disagreeing with lifestyles that go against biology itself and that end up being physically & psychologically destructive.
If disagreement is bigoted, then are you not also bigoted for disagreeing with me?
@Yesica1993 Well, you strawmanned my comment either intentionally, or not. When I speak of human rights, I am referring to all human rights, including the right for two adults to marry each other.
As for lawsuits and Muslims, I don't know what you are talking about.
Disagreeing with homosexual lifestyles is not bigotry. What is a bigoted mentality is believing gays should be denied rights based of their gender preference.
@@Yesica1993 Being homosexual isn't a choice, this happens outside of a persons intention and while you said that it isn't immutable it's not that easy. Sometimes a sexuality can change but it doesn't work as easily for some people as it does for some others. For people with no attraction to the opposite sex whatsoever a process like this can be difficult, expensive and might not even work at all. So while it is not 100% on par with ethnicity and skin color it is very close. (also skin color can technically change, just not very well. Ever heard of tanning?)
Members of the LGBT community in the US can, by law, live as they choose, yes. However, many of them are practically being terrorized by Christians for "acting against god" many are being disowned by their parents and some even receive death threats. But aside from the extreme Christians there are also people like the woman in this video, who still tolerate homosexuals but just disagree with them. The way she was acting based on what she said was completely ok. I don't think she should be forced to attend anything that promotes things she doesn't agree with. However, I have a problem with Frank's suggestion. Telling members of the LGBT community that they are harming others and themselves and reminding them that you believe they might go to hell for this can lead to serious mental health issues for them. I understand that in your opinion you think you are helping them but this is just your opinion and I think it should really be up to the people affected. If what you were saying was true, meaning that they really are harming others and themselves this would be a different story, but it isn't proven to be true.
To my knowledge, there aren't any objective standards that say homosexuality is wrong (no, Christianity, the Bible or God are not objective standards, they are an unproven claim. Also even God was undeniably real, him just saying "homosexuality is wrong" still doesn't make for an objective standard, that's just God's opinion.)
@TwwwJ JwwwT Rights that could and have been denied are the right to marry regardless of sexual orientation. Other rights that have been denied are the same rights that were once denied to women and blacks.
@True Colors You do know that there are radical Muslims who say the same thing about you. You know that don't you? You guys are in the same bucket.
Brilliant! I have watched this video 3 times, and I can’t get enough of it 🙌🏽
You don't need to'affirm' it, just respect human rights
@ad hominemus simple. As long as they treat gays as human beings. That's all that matters.
What’s the most important commandment?
Love God and Love each other.
2 dudes kissing grosses me out. I can’t help it. But LOVE EACH OTHER. It’s not that difficult on paper, but living it is a different story.
Jarrod D gimme the definition of love then we can talk
@TwwwJ JwwwT i love my lizard.
Remember the cities sodom and Gomorrah that God destroyed? As i remember the men wanted to have sex with the male angels. Hint hint. Love means be kind compassionate, not support sin. Scripture also says dont bring evil into your home
Great question, great answer. Thank you for your good work and great teaching. God bless.
Whether you agree with same sex relationships or not is irrelevant. However, everyone and I mean everyone must be afforded the same polite, considerate, and courteous interaction. Whether this interaction occurs at work, or during social gatherings, or simply in passing. This is the only way for society to function together!
...it IS for the sake of a functioning society because bad behavior does not deserve anything just because it exists, that's why things are so tense in our modern society today...
@@veseyvonveitinghof9593 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣bad behaviour like yours you must mean.
@@stephaniezank7717 ...bad behavior....me....impossible, i'm an angel...
That was brilliant.
Thank You For Sharing ❤
"The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Karl Popper described it as the seemingly paradoxical idea that, 'In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance'." (Wikipedia)
I once heard tolerance is the virtue of those who don’t believe anything.
Part of the problem is the difference between worldly and Godly Love. Godly love say its wrong, sorry your living in sin and you must repent but worldly love say “aaawww” thats so nice they found someone to love, based strictly on emotion rather than truth. Yes emotion is good but it needs to be in check with the Truth of Gods word not how a person “feels”
the best way to love them is to tell them the truth. But of course we are commanded to treat everyone as we would want to be treated and that is very loving
You wouldn’t treat others with love if you weren’t commanded to?
RUclips keeps deleting my comments is this happening to anyone else?
awwwwww, that's too bad.
@Sanji Kun even my short ones get deleted
Attempt of censorship
Same issue here
@@camirrawilliamson1749 that's why if you copy and paste a lot, especially christian messages, you must move the words around so that way the algorithm is not going to pick up your repetitive copy paste and delete them
American Christianity is too lax on sin. This woman seems to be an exception.
I guess it's a good thing that your religion is probably not true then, huh?
to answer your question, yes.
Neither are you loving so who cares about your take.
Short answer, no. Long answer, no
but yes really, lets be honest
In 1990 - "Am I unloving for not affirming pre marital sex behavior?"
In 2000 - "Am I unloving for not affirming extra marital sex behavior?"
In 2020 - "Am I unloving for not affirming same sex behavior?"
In 2025 - "Am I unloving for not affirming animal love behavior?"
In 2030 - "Am I unloving for not affirming child love behavior?
This was the direction societies go until they're destroyed by God.
No, it will not go that way. This is called the slippery slope fallacy. MAPS have already been rejected by the LGBTQ community.
We're talking about love between two consenting adults.
If you really can't see the difference between love and victims you're messed up.
You really consider making love the exact same thing as rape?
@@repelsteeltje2187 Umm.. you're missing the whole point. That's the point. That whatever reasoning that can be used to justify whatever sexual perversion is used for whatever era. "Two consenting adults" is used to justify fornication and whatever sexual immorality/perversion that works with that. But as you move on and become more depraved and start getting desensitized to let's say pederasty, you come up with a different reasoning to justify that - "Teenagers are smart enough to make their own choices". And on.
Are you going to use "two consenting adults" reasoning to justify incest? A mom and a son? Why don't you apply that there? Oh how inconsistent. The reason why you don't apply that there (for now) is because you haven't been desensitized to incest (yet). (Like people weren't desensitized enough in 1990 with homosexuality) But once you've gotten desensitized enough (that depraved - like you are with other sexual perversions now) you'll start using that reasoning. Which proves that like I said people will come up with whatever reasoning to justify anything. Like you're doing now. Repent now when you have the chance. Once you die, you won't have any chance for all eternity. All those that were living justifying pederasty in the Greco Roman world right now have been in hell the past 1800 years. You'll be joining them if you don't repent. Romans 1:18-32
@@kpballa1009 isn't it ironic that the Bible promotes inbreed several times
@@repelsteeltje2187 umm. when God first created 2 human beings, 1 man and 1 woman, siblings were the only option. after a few thousand years, incest forbidden. and even with incest, it was never parent and child.
The clearest use of this phrase actually derives from Mahatma Gandhi in his 1929 autobiography: “Hate the sin and not the sinner.” But Gandhi's full statement has a bit different flavor.
The quote is not found within the Bible.
Yes, "You can love a person without loving their sin.'
Pray for all, from your enemies to your loved ones disobeying
Our Heavenly Father, that he will open their eyes and they will be saved.
I love to hear real women speak like this. Amen
as opposed to pretend women?????
Why do people confuse lust with love? It's lust. Say it as it is.
Stand your ground and do not apologise for speaking truth.
But do it in a loving and gentle way.
Wow he doesnt skip a beat !! Good job 👍❤
It's it unloving to not affirm homosexuality? Let me ask this instead: is it loving to watch someone skipping their way to hell and not warn them?
Sexuality isn't a choice. You're born with it same as skin colour. That's why racism and discrimination are considered very unloving.
You think Hell is a just place and people who are homosexual deserve to go there?
@god first bro So God sends people undeserving of hell to hell?
No. If I warned you that Allah will strike you down and send you to hell tomorrow unless you convert to Islam, and that happens, is it your fault? Or my fault for saying crazy stuff without a nick of evidence
@god first bro so you're attracted to the same gender each day yet you choose not to act on it?
@god first bro that makes you bisexual.
One problem she has is that she kept saying, "this is how I feel." A better response is that her position is based off of God's Word. A Christian's response must include this fact: Her feelings about this issue are irrelevant. It only matters what God's Word says about it.
Or just mention Sodom and Gomorrah, done
God's word means nothing if you can't demonstrate a shred of proof that it actually is god's word or that god even exists.
The burden of proof for proving/ disproving God's existence isn't on the theist, any more than it is on the atheist. Libraries (digital and physical) are replete with argumentation for the options that best explain the reality we all observe. Unfortunately, you have contributed nothing to the conversation, except to demonstrate your laziness and/or ignorance of the copious amount of scholarship available on these subjects. BTW, the same goes for the proofs for the veracity of the Bible. There are certainly great arguments for the position which I hold, but I will not be artificially ascribed the burden of proof. Basically, this discussion boils down to a difference in world views, assumptions, etc. My point remains.
@@jbish3721 The burden of proof for proving/ disproving God's existence isn't on the theist, any more than it is on the atheist. Libraries (digital and physical) are replete with argumentation for the options that best explain the reality we all observe. Unfortunately, you have contributed nothing to the conversation, except to demonstrate your laziness and/or ignorance of the copious amount of scholarship available on these subjects. BTW, the same goes for the proofs for the veracity of the Bible. There are certainly great arguments for the position which I hold, but I will not be artificially ascribed the burden of proof. Basically, this discussion boils down to a difference in world views, assumptions, etc. My point remains.
Wrong. Christians are the ones making incredibly specific supernatural claims about morality, how the universe was created, and even about history and they use these claims to brainwash people - including children - into believing those unsubstantiated ideas. If atheists are to be correct in their assertion that there is no god, where exactly are they supposed to find evidence for something that doesn't exist? The idea that the two share the same burden of proof is completely nonsensical.
Good for you btw that you can find arguments on the internet that validate your worldview. You act as if you couldn't do the exact same for any other completely irrational position. I've listened to a lot of the arguments, and they're always disingenuous because the atheist is typically charitable enough to where instead of asking for proof of a specific idea of god (like christianity for example, which get more and more absurd with just how specific the claims get) the expectation is usually for them to prove the existence of god by even the utmost vaguest concept and they never can. It's always some form of circular reasoning, special pleading, ad hoc, and irrelevant appeals to emotion which actually have nothing to do about the viability of a god existing. And you know, the thing is I don't even take issue with the idea of god by the utmost vague definition, because that in its self doesn't make assertions about morality in how people should live their lives, nor does it make any claims that are used to undermine science.
Once again, theists are not bound to the burden of proof regarding these particular subjects. Those who appeal to purely naturalistic processes as the origin of naturalistic processes (atheists) clearly argue with circularity. X (time, space, matter) cannot be the source of X, logically speaking. Logic is on the theist's side with regard to this point. The conversation gets much, much deeper, of course, but it doesn't take long to see the fallacious basis of some of the atheists' arguments.
Additionally morality cannot be rationally defended in an atheistic, materialistic worldview. Meaningful laws can only come from an objective law giver. Materialists must necessarily rely on subjectivity and have absolutely no warrant to lean on an objective standard. Perhaps moral "standards" in his worldview can enjoy a majority agreement, but he cannot truly lean on an objective standard. At best, his opinion is just that... his opinion. I'm not bound to one's opinion, unless he is the objective moral law giver that we call God.
I don't scrub the internet for my data any more than you; I just interpret the data differently. You don't know who I am, nor do you have knowledge of my study habits. Your assumption was errant. I'm sorry that you haven't seen the irrationality of your indefensible position from scholarly debates/ arguments. I'm sure I'm not going to convince you in this case, especially in this feed, nor am I interested in doing so. This is RUclips, not a debate forum. I was once an atheist and came to the position I now hold after much searching. Perhaps you will also, and perhaps you won't. I will, nonetheless, pray that you do.
This is a very common problem today, how to love but not approve.
Was Frank holding a microphone, he'd drop it now 😁
Am I unloving for not afferming christian behavior?
J Ovesen “And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that”
Non-Christians can love according to the context of this scripture. We just don’t have a moral obligation to love our enemies, because let’s face it, doing so feels fake, forced, unnatural, and pointless.
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@@Godlimate no pagans cant love like scripture says. God is Holy and perfect love, no human can do it. We can try but most pagans don't understand bible at all.
Humans have free will and most who bash bible dont comprehend it so you read facts and you act how you judge best. And honestly i am 1 to not care if people like me or not and im sure you knew answer to question before you posted. So why do you ask if you are not loving
Wise and logical words from Dr. Turek.
I pray that Jesus will open the blind eyes and give them new life; a life of true love, peace and rest!
No one can change LGBTQ+ people.
Yall really do pick and choose which of the lords laws he really meant. Bet you eat shellfish and wear mixed fabrics because that's of an old covenant, but yall still accept that gods stance on gays has not changed? Why? The stance on shellfish and slavery changed. Why not the gays?
Read the New Testament. Romans is very clear on the subject. And, for the record, there isn't an ounce of divine law in the Old Testament promoting or approving of slavery or the eating of shellfish. That is Jewish law. God's law was the 10 Commandments, which the children of Israel took and turned into Leviticus.
@@jupiterrising887 some of these laws are written in the exact same book as the 10 commandments. Quite literally in the next chapter.
But that aside, you really trust the writing of paul? That's hilarious.
@@youtubespag So?
Yes, I do. He performed miracles, spread the Gospel, and died for Jesus when he was beheaded at the order of Nero. What have you done?
@@jupiterrising887 so exactly what I said at the beginning. You're picking and choosing. And being dishonest considering you said none of those laws were about slavery, and yet some of them are. Lmao
I'm not suprised you believe all that. But honestly paul did not do all of that. I've probably had a more positive impact on the world than paul just by speaking against religion.
@@jupiterrising887 honestly I can make the same claims to miracles paul did.
One time I smacked this guy with astigmatism across the face with my cock and bam. 2020 vision. It was a miracle.
True love goes very deep indeed. Truth and love are inseparable.
Glad to hear him say, "this is not my morality." I guess that means what he promotes, he doesn't believe.
Only kidding, of course. It's so disingenuous for someone to say, "This isn't my morality; it's God's." Such nonsense. If they are promoting this view, as he is, then it clearly IS his morality. ALL morality is filtered through human beings, so it's no good trying to absolve yourself of the responsibility of promoting a value system. In that sense it is most definitely "yours."
I agree. I tried to express that view, but you wrote it better.
Praise God. No, you misunderstood, he might have said it wrong, but he was trying to say that God is the one who established the moral law. He wasn't saying that, he was saying God is the Law giver and who gives the Law. If you acknowledge it to be the law it doesn't make it his law but since it is the law he is under compulsion to follow it. Like e.g. i might not agree on laws concerning abortion but if a country says it is ok to do so, then i can say it is the country's law even if i hold a different view. In this case frank is agreeing but he is also implying that he didn't make it he just follows it because it is the objective morality. Otherwise it is just based on emotions. Like hitler thought killing Jews was good but i disagree. But that's just my opinion unless i have a standard outside of myself to compare it to. E.g. If i have 2 wonky lines and id have a straight line to compare it to then it is just my opinion and not actually necessarily true. Frank is saying "it isn't my morality its God's" is just trying to say that i didn't make it, God did and if God did then it goes that i should follow it. Otherwise it would be rebellion. If you believe God is real and God is truth, If you disagree with God then you are disagreeing with truth which then makes you a unreasonable creature. Praise God.
@@whitevortex8323 You simply cannot use the Hebraic laws as the basis for EVERYTHING. There is some wisdom for sure, but also some folly. And what's particularly moral about "having no other gods before me" or "using the Lord's name in vain"? These are not moral statement, tho "Though shalt not kill" is. But of course, morality isn't simple. Is it okay to kill if it protects your child? Is it moral to "honor your father and mother" if they are crack-addicted child abusers? Things get more complex when you get down to real moral questions.
@@erichetherington9314 Praise God. Well no there is no folly. What is moral about, about having no other gods ?It is unjust. e.g. if i were to make some sick time travel invention and then everybody else started giving all the credit to someone else is that fair. It is injustice. Using the Lord's name in vain, if everyone used ur name in vain then i think you would start to get offended. I'm not saying God gets offended. I'm just giving speculations why it is offensive. Exodus 22:2-3 clearly shows self defence is ok. It is ok to protect others and yourself. The commandment is do not murder (wrongful killing). Yes, we are told to honour our mother and father even if they are addicted child abusers. Your Mother gave you birth, what gift can you give in return of equal value. Your father helped with giving you birth. Each person has something there is to honour about them. If you look closely there is something good about them. If you read exodus, you will see there is more than just 10 commandments. They are case specific. If you understand what it implies, then you will see what to do in xyz occasions. Praise God.
@Mickey Barnyard I presume when you wrote "get all your majority" you meant 'Get all your morality."
All? I don't think so. The Bible is a book (or 66 if you like--all the more reason to be skeptical that it's "God's Word" when it had so many authors over so much time) that couldn't possibly address all the moral questions in the world. For instance, is God's murder of the entire population (except Noah and family) moral? What about his advocating slaughter for the Israelites in the Old Testament? Is that moral? Is it moral to let your own son die? Would you do that?
Or if you want to get modern about it, is it moral or immoral to let same-sex couples live the way they feel they should when they're doing no harm?Is it moral to outlaw abortion or is it immoral? Does the baby take precedence or does the mother? The Ten Commandments ask us to "Honor our fathers and mothers." Since so many people take those statements as moral lynchpins, should we honor those folks even if they beat their children, or become drug-addicted, or sell them into slavery of some kind?
Is Capitalism moral when so many are left behind? Is Communism, when so many suffer?
There are MANY places to get one's morality, from books, to other people, to experience, to reflection etc. It's naive to claim the Bible has all the answers.
Turek is making something simple, difficult, to confuse you people. He thinks there is something wrong with being gay because god thinks there is something wrong with being gay. Turek doesn't take responsibility for his own intolerance.
It's not like he's saying gay people should get beat up. Using the definition of Tolerance he is tolerant. You got to remember it's the libtards who don't like to tolerate differing opinions.
@@shadycnetwork No, what Turek is saying is that people who are gay and act out on their feelings are sinning against God and worthy of damnation. You know that is intolerance; you know that is wrong. Why are you justifying Turek's intolerance?
@@davidtravis270 David we are all worthy of damnation.
@@davidtravis270 Justifying? Because he's got the right to his own opinion. You got to remember you can mydayis Channel. That'd be like coming to his doorstep LOL. I don't think they Stripped Away the right to have an opinion have they yet?
@@shadycnetwork are you serious? we've done something so bad we should be condemned to hell for eternity? that's f-cked up, son!
Brilliant. So well put, I learned a lot.
homophobia is a sin, there you can learn more with that.
For anyone who has sexual attraction to the same sex or if they're in a committed relationship with a person of the same sex, there's nothing wrong with you.
Yes there is, as there's plenty wrong with all of us with the curse of sin
there are no homosexuals in heaven
How is it determined that God is the standard for morality?
Because God is the source of *objective* truth.
In other words. His moral laws are true, despite man kinds *subjective* opinion.
@Electric Spark Who determined that? In other words, who listened to Jesus and proclaimed him wise and moral? Where did that belief come from?
@@jacksfavorite4808 God himself determined this...
Heres an example:
If we leave humanity to decide what is moral, and what is not. Then *Atheist Joseph Stalin* did the moral thing by murdering 30,000,000++ million of his own people.
He truly believed he was doing the right thing. Who are we to deny his truth?
Your opinion? My opinion? Joseph's Opinion?
Or God's opinion?
@Electric Spark Someone or perhaps a number of people determined that what Jesus said was moral. How did they come to that decision?
@@jacksfavorite4808 Through his ministry. He was literally the perfect human. Fully God, and Fully Man.
He was conceived by the miraculous power of the holy spirit. Therefore, he did not fall under the same curse of Adam like the rest of humanity.
Therefore, he was capable of enduring unimaginable pain, sin for our sake.
Through his ministry he spoke, taught, and walked in the fullness of the law. He had many followers to attest to his miracles.
This is one thing that keeps me from fully embracing Christianity. I don't want to stop accepting or start discriminating against people for their sexual prefrences. I've always valued acceptance and I don't wanna stop that just because I became a Christian. It's a big conflict with me.
If I told you that a wizard in the sky exists, would you believe me?
Only fools believe in imaginary wizards without evidence.
What is more compassionate and loving: to encourage someone to do something that's going to hurt them and ultimately lead to their eternal damnation, or speak the truth in an effort to see them stop what they're doing? You can't be their accomplice. If your loved one had a drug problem, you probably wouldn't help put the needle in their arm. What they are doing is wrong, and it has consequences in this life and the next. To have real compassion, real love, for someone is to tell them the truth.
TRUE CHRISTIAN LOVE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,by A. W. PINK ******Love is the Queen of the Christian graces*********
It is a holy disposition given to us when we are born again by God. It is the love of God shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit.
True spiritual love is characterized by meekness and gentleness, yet it is vastly superior to the courtesies and kindnesses of
the flesh. We must be careful not to confuse human sentimentality, carnal pleasantries, human amiability and affability with
true spiritual love.
The love God commands, first to Himself and then to others, is not human love. It is not the indulgent, self-seeking love which is
in us by nature. If we indulgently allow our children to grow up with little or, no Scriptural discipline, Proverbs plainly says
we do not love them, regardless of the human sentimentality and affection we may feel for them.
Love is not a sentimental pampering of one another with a loose indifference as to our walk and obedience before the Lord.
Glossing over one another's faults to ingratiate ourselves in their esteem is not spiritual love.
The true nature of Christian love is a righteous principle which seeks the highest good of others.
It is a powerful desire to promote their welfare. The exercise of love is to be in strict conformity
to the revealed will of God. We must love in the truth. Truth without love is not truth. Love without truth is not love.
Love among the brethren is far more than an agreeable society where views are the same. It is loving them for what
we see of Christ in them, loving them for Christ's sake. The Lord Jesus Himself is our example.
He was not only thoughtful, gentle, self-sacrificing and patient, but He also corrected His mother, used a whip in the Temple,
severely scolded His doubting disciples, and denounced hypocrites. True spiritual love is above all faithful to God
and uncompromising towards all that is evil. We cannot declare, 'Peace and Safety' when in reality
there is spiritual decay and ruin!
True spiritual love is very difficult to exercise because it is not our natural love. By nature we would
rather love sentimentally and engender good feelings. Also many times true spiritual love is not received
in love, but is hated as the Pharisees hated it. We must pray that God will fill us with His love and
enable us to exercise it without dissimulation toward all.
Jesus came to save the Lost! First a person needs to be saved, trying to fix problems with the unsaved wont happen
thats how we know homophobics are not saved
1 man 1 woman is equality for all. Anything else is injustice.
Wait ... "It just happens to be THE morality." Really? "THE" morality. There's only one? Every studied the complexities of ethics?
Praise God. When he means the Morality, he is referring to the being we call God. Since God is the morality and is one being it makes sense. He is the Morality itself. Praise God.
@Joker Praise God. The Bible is not against freedom of speech as far as im aware. Also, God is the one who put the moral law on our hearts. What do you mean, your Conscience is proof that you have a moral law in your heart. Even if things may change your conscience we have a rough moral law in heart and bible reinforces anyone who's conscience has been corrupted or special cases. Praise God.
@Joker Praise God. LOL. In today's society if you say racist or sexist things it causes punishment too. This is the same with old days in this case. Morals cannot be subjective otherwise what hitler did is not wrong that's just ur opinion. If morals are subjective then if a country supports rape that should be ok. Is what ISIS doing wrong. Yes it is wrong cos morals are objective and no subjective. Praise God.
@Joker Praise God. No, not neccesarily, God has 2 types of will but One will. He has his permissive will and ordained will. Like ordained could be the Earth's gravitational force remains the same and his permissive will is like letting us sin. If this is the predestination and free will argument. I have a good answer. It's like me borrowing a recording of a football Game. He tells me the score between the two teams is 2 :1. When i watch it i know the results is 2:1 but me knowing didn't force that result. The same with God, God knowing doesn't force that result. You have to understand God is outside of time and the way he sees time is different to us. God sees the past the present and the future in one eternal moment. For him everything has happened,, is happening and will happen in one eternal moment. Thank you for your time. Praise God.
@Joker Praise God. The Bible itself does not say it has to be in the Bible for evidence. So, let me ask you where in the Bible does it stated it has to be in the Bible. That is just self refuting. Praise God.
I very recently either greatly damaged or utterly destroyed my relationship with my cousin because I refuse to tolerate her sleeping with, living with, her not her husband boyfriend. I tell her look, hes is dragging you into sin and you are letting it happen and you profess to be a christian but you commit adultery without a second thought. I love her very much but I simply can not stand by on the side and pretend that I am okay with the fact that she commits adultery like it doesnt matter. I have not heard a word from her since I went to her with my concern. I think she hates me now. But like Jesus said. If the world hates you know that it hated me first. I am completely willing to lose my entire family if that is what it takes to walk in the light with Jesus.
I'm a christian and have gay friends and have been honest about loving them unconditionally and unbiased. But have mentioned the sin and its repercussion eternally and salvation as a choice in love, then keep praying for them into the kingdom, just like some did me when I was a heathen. Love above all, it is our earmark according the the list of spiritual gift in Ch. 13 of Corinthians "agape" supernatural love which is sacrificial.
My brother is a homosexual and claims to love God and he Justifys his life style by saying Love forgives a multitude of sin. Also that God doesnt make mistakes God made him that way. I tried explaining that not biblical but now I just keep him in my prayers
"that's the way i feel, well that's the way i feel"
being gay isn't a choice. being homophobic *is* a choice.
so you're going to skip your family member's wedding because they are marrying the same sex?
this is disgusting behavior. just accept your family, and accept who they are, because who they are is the real them.
You are soooo ignorant. That's like saying if my family is robbing a house I should go with them because I love them. You people need to start thinking for once.
@@d.j.wellington i’m the ignorant one? you’re the one comparing homosexuality to criminal activity... hypocrisy at it’s finest
@@sla6hed Because both are sins?... Hello?? If you aren't a Christian then why are you running off your mouth?
take it from me, I have been with females since I was 16. In 2010 I met my wife, and we got married in 2016. Jane 2017 God shook my life and its going on 4 years. Yes I am still married to her but the changes within marriage is noticeable ... I dont tolerate things that are wrong in our fathers eye, I just deal with my situation as I change and grow. One day I will be a done with it. Sometimes you just got to be real! If that puts distance between you and your family. I still love my friends, but I wont talk them into anything thats not right.
Sounds challenging. God bless.
Hate the Sin, love the sinner is not found anywhere in the Bible. God hates the sin AND the sinner.
Then why did he die on the cross for us?
Where is that statement in the Bible, as a quote from God?
God's nature is love, which is also why He is Just, and explains why He can't tolerate our sin yet He always offers Redemption to those who will accept it.
@@johnnyappleseed5029 Here is just one quote from scripture that says God hates sinners.
Psalm 5:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
@@thegreeneyedbubu He died on the cross so that a right, loving relationship could be reestablished.
If Jesus hates the sinner, he wouldn't have hung out with tax collectors and prostitutes.
Love is an act of will accompanied by emotion.
More correctly, sometimes accompanied by emotion.
Keep up the good work Frank!!!!💒
Love doesn't require approval! Love stands for the truth, leading the misled to the right path.
This is not a boundary. The woman with the question provided a formulation promoting herself the center of answer. In which case, it is never unloving whatever she is. She seems boundless to me. I love her as such. Loving is as simple as us all in a single Holy package. An argument is always personal. A debate is stochastic. Respect for every person on a personal basis is what love is all about. Sexuality is contained exclusively in that package. Be and let be. Amen.
My granddaughters used to pretend to be kittens and puppies. Am I unloving for not putting them in a kennel?
They were playing... completely different story.
Tolerance, is not acceptance. Loving someone is not by always accepting whatever decision they make even if you know it's bad, confrontation should come, even just once, if they refused and still insisted to do the same mistakes, you have no choice but to tolerate it
It's not a mistake tho to love someone of the same sex
I am with her and praying for her
Tolerance is a two way street.
Love is protecting not tolerating ungodly behavior as Frank elaborated.