The VEGAN Interloper Challenge (The Long Dark)
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Is it possible to survive in The Long Dark as a vegan... on interloper? There is a lot of plant food around, though only birch bark reliably respawns. Being a vegan is also kind of complicated, because many of the items in the game do not state clearly what they are made of. Nevertheless, let's give it a go!
PS: An alternative is to play as vegetarian (can eat food derived from animals, like milk), pescatarian (same as vegetarian but also eat fish), or scavanger ominvore (same as vegetarian but can also eat found meat from carcasses).
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
07:42 Spawn
24:11 To Ash Canyon
1:01:42 Upper Levels
1:23:40 To the Mine
1:52:53 Angler's Den
2:09:23 Birch Tea
2:33:19 The Bunker
2:51:45 To the Summit
3:13:07 Summit and Back Down
3:27:15 Base and Final Thoughts
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every expert TLD player is going to rue the day Hinterland decides to add the ability to slip from steep surfaces
Careful, if you keep knocking on the devil’s door he might answer
I see a fellow zomboid player here
@@gabrielneves6602 all hail Spiffo
Yes more zomboid players! I thought I was almost alone
"Vegans, feel free to comment and let me know if X is vegan"
This man just broke the algorithm
As a Ph. D in chemistry and an amateur runner, I am assuring you, running shoes are plane synthetic fabric. Any running shoes that are made from leather are considered as poorly designed. Since it is clearly stated that those are running shoes, it should be considered as vegan.
As a PhD in chemistry you should know nylon/plastics are made from crude oil products, crude oil is formed from dead plants & animals.
My running shoes has leather in it (the white part is made of leather, not synthetic). So does my husband's. The apparel industry doesn't always make sense.
plain* sorry had to
What about lantern oils
I know in-game when ... Either eating or catching fish, you acquire oil for the lantern
Zak, no big deal about the granola containing honey (I never would have thought of it tbh). I can tell you how you succeeded:
You provided amazing content, kept us all entertained as always…and that’s all that matters. Thanks, once again, and can’t wait for your next one!
If you give the bees a house and protect them from wasps then maybe the honey is a barter exchange. I never imagines that vegan don't eat honey
Let it rain Vegan Granola in your next attempt, maybe it will scare away the Cougars
You may be allowed to wear the chemical boots, they can't be harvested (so no leather), I assume they are plastic to sustain chemical damage.
I think I prefer to see the 500 days challenge sequel, but I understand it kind be more interesting for new viewers to see a challenge from the start.
I was thinking this too. But it's a long ways to ZOC lol.
In my opinion, what you get from running shoes is artificial (synthetic) leather so it's vegan. They just don't differentiate between natural and artificial leather to keep the game simple (similar to lamp oil which can be kerosene or fish oil). Besides: have you ever tried to walk a long distance in difficult terrain without any shoes? I think there should be some in-game penalty for doing so, e.g. reduced speed & health loss).
Kerosene is an animal product, as are plastics in general.
@@tjj4labdespite what old comedy movies might have told you, oil is -old- forests.
There never was enough fauna mass even over millennia to get the amount of oil.
@tjj4lab Kerosene is not an animal product. It's made from crude oil, a petroleum product. One could argue that petroleum itself was partially made from microscopic non-plant sea organisms. Because they were not truly animals as we think of them today, and it was millions of years ago, most vegans consider petroleum products to be vegan.
@@Nick1979BN Oil comes from algae and plankton. Coal comes from trees and plants. Your point still stands, but oil does not come from forests.
The “Combat Pants” are modeled based on the real Crye Precision G3 combat pants and are made of 50% nylon and 50% cotton (NYCO) making them fully vegan friendly. (:
To be fair, in the future you can do the carnivore challenge, where you can't use anything plant-based.
Isn't that just any late-game in tld?
@@simon4321 I still use birch bark, old man's beard lichen and rose hips after more than 800 days. I suppose I could get by without them if I made sure to preserve antiseptic. Clothing would also suffer, though not as much as by excluding animal skins. The real problem is fuel for fires.
What about scurvy?
@@axelastori484 Fish
@@JonathanRossRogers Fish = fighting scurvy + fuel. Actually you don't really need fuel if you make multiple torches before entering a dark area and light them up like in this video once they are about to go off
Never in a 1000 hours took the time to see if there are actually ingredients listed on all of the food stuff! Great details.
In a survival situation I think being vegan isn’t the best idea
I can guarantee you 100%, when the global economy collapses soon, no money to buy food, if all a vegan finds is some kind of meat product, they will definitely eat it to kill the pain of their stomach eating itself. either that or they're going to be out munching grass and weeds like a cow. they won't last long doing that. the true vegan fanatics will choose to literally starve to death purposely then to eat meat.
Absolutely 1000%
@@BradleyON1 wrong, depends on the situation, TLD is not realistic
I'm not vegan but it's in my area of interest. Some of the stuff you said seemed very weird to me(crude oil not being vegan??) and alien to the typical ethical / harm reduction concerns that I associate with veganism. A useful phrase is "to the extent possible and practicable" so for example the ground-up insects in grains and the small animal deaths from crop harvesting don't make those foods non-vegan.
It's this clause that makes a lot of the concerns irrelevant in a survival situation. Killing animals for food when you must to survive isn't really at odds with veganism(although if we're good enough at the game, we don't need that to survive.) But the real departure from your rules occurs with found abandoned clothing, food, carcasses, and dead fish washed ashore. All of these are situations where any potential harm has already been done, and now we either make use of the resources or let them go to waste. A real-world counterpart would be making use of the meat, skin, bones, guts, etc of roadkill, which doesn't go against veganism as far as I'm concerned. Or salvaging some leather boots or wool clothing before it's sent to the landfill.
Fully agree. The arguments against "making use" of these situations in our functioning societies is that it would incentive people to simply claim their stuff is roadkill or ethically harvested to avoid the backlash, but that's a capitalism problem, and as you said, not a survival problem. Agreement, but a clarifier for the real world. It still strikes me as odd not to use the found gear that contains, for example, wool, but you have to decide on a metric and that's the most true to form I guess.
Crude oil is literally dead animal bodies
Just to clarify, it's fine to apply whatever rules work best for the spirit of the challenge. I just think it's interesting that common vegan stereotypes don't apply in a different setting, largely due to the lack of a market economy incentive structure.
Yeah but if he did all of those things it would just be a normal game.
@@Cranberrie123 Yeah that's why I added my clarifying comment. Although it would remove hunting and fishing, that's not as much of an impact.
Three and a half hours of your calm voice is exactly what I needed for a laid back Sunday morning. Thank you.
This looks like a really fun but difficult challenge. Thanks for taking us along for the adventure!
00:02:14 Interesting challenge! On the shoes front, I do know vegans who would prefer to wear second-hand leather rather than new vegan leather shoes, as vegan leather is made of plastic and as such the environmental footprint is higher.
There are always tradeoffs.
Second hand is a good option for some thing. It should be for practical use.
Honey is non-vegan. So no granola bars. Bow is non-vegan bc it requires guts. Both arrows could be considered non-vegan bc they require feathers but you don’t have to hurt an animal to get the feathers. So maybe those could be considered vegan.
You don’t have to hurt an animal to get eggs, milk, or honey either so I think feathers are still non-vegan
@@redunderscorethere is quite a lot of discussion about that within the vegan community. Strictly speaking both eggs and honey are not vegan by a long shot because getting them means exploiting animals one way or the other. Found feathers would be different though IMO.
Carrion would be vegan. He's neither hurting, nor exploiting an animal. As well as guts from found corpses. And found feathers. He can even make deer shoes and paints, that would be vegan, if made strictly from carrion
Sports bow would be vegan i think, because it is implied the string is synthetic.
No. Feathers are not vegan. Veganism means you're not using any materials, products or meat from animals. Ethniticy has nothing to do with veganism.
Would like to see it continued, since the real challenge starts when getting closer to day 50, when the weather is much colder, and lack of clothing options is making things much more difficult.
ahhh yes, vegan challenge, aka "how to die in a survival situation"
50- some% said they’d roll over and take it from a wolf if there were no more cattails left.
@@Wabbajank lol i don't doubt it
Nylon is artificial material like polyester. Sportsneakers are predominantly made out of artificial materials. The kind of shoes in the game might have leather parts however (some strengthening stripes at the top).
The game is very generous with the resources it gives from harvesting those. I think it is only done for balancing. Shoes and cured leather are hard to come by and it's a quite rare resource...
Love the vegan granola! Was a fun run to watch. IMO keep going with this run, and I like the rules you have laid down so far
the oil thing us a bit of a misnomer..... In actuality its the compressed biomatter from before the time of the dinosaurs really(before certain critters came about most things just died and chilled on the ground creating layers of everything, thats the SUPER simple explination). It is a mix of both animal and plant but is usually considered by most vegans I know to be far beyond the animals they once were. Its more about direct animal to product relationship, not animal to decomposed critter, to liquified, to buried....... lots of steps there.
Also there are a lot of leather substitute products out there, some of which you can really only tell by the feel of the item(never found one that felt the same) and those are usually animal product free. I bet there is a wool substitute as well but don't quote me on that.
FYI I an not a vegan, I just have vegan friends. I don't understand why people would do it in real life, but i suppose a challenge in a game is cool.
That song you start with will forever be a long dark song
Some of my friends have suggested featureless challenges. Basically, hugely difficult challenges with no feats and an extra twist thrown in with custom on Interloper. Some of those twists involve no torches, no crafting, no stones, more wolves, no travelling between reigons and no starting fires.
Sounds like: how to die in less then a week.
Cool idea for a challenge. The struggle will be real in this video lol
I don't think it's possible to survive long-term as Vegan challenge or Birch Bark Only challenge now that Scurvy is in TLD. You'd need to drink 3.3 Birch Tea every day just to keep Scurvy from advancing. One Birch Tea gives 6 units of Vitamin-C, and you consume 20 units per day on Interloper (500 max). Cattails give only 1. You can get Birch Bark/Cattails from beachcombing too, but I think the best places for it are Ravine, Pleasant Valley, Ash Canyon and Bleak Inlet: so a Vegan-only challenge would probably 'need' to travel between those 4 areas constantly just to survive.
Oh my gosh the way you just yeeted yourself off the mountain in Ash Canyon 💀"ow, ow, ow." 2:52:38
I’ve had interesting conversations with my two vegan friends about reuse of items that aren’t friendly. My mother died and I inherited a mink and a fox fur coat. I gave the mink to a family friend (it was much too large for me, and very long), but I kept the fox fur. I hate the idea of fox hunting.
But… the harm has already been done. I still need to be warm. So one of my friends feels it’s ethical to wear the fox fur because it prevents me from having to buy another coat, probably wool, to stay really warm in the winter. The other friend thinks it isn’t acceptable, to their code of ethics, because it shows tacit approval of the use of fox fur in clothing to wear, well, fox fur clothing.
I personally don’t think me wearing the coat will make people think, “that’s definitely real and now I’m going to go buy that.” And since it already exists, and has for over a decade, I feel like someone should use it, rather than it being destroyed, sold for profit, or decaying in some attic.
My mom was from a different era and had different stances about some things, but she loved me and wanted me to be warm (I have Reynaud’s and issues with my autonomic system, so temperature regulation is a big issue for me). So, I wear the fox fur when I really need it and thank my Mom for loving me and for being a good mother while I had her. I have seen the mink in action a few times since gifting it and it brings my friend a lot of joy. THAT coat is about 30 years old, and through a lot of care is still going strong.
It’s something I’d never in a million years buy, so the decision on wearing it did take some thought. There are always “it’s not that deep, bro, it’s a coat, get a life,” people, and I get that, I really do, but I wanted to do a gut check and make sure I was being responsible in what I did. You don’t have to be vegan to want to think about the effect your presence in the world has ON the world.
Jeans are made of denim, which is a cotton fabric. It's not clear what the belt is made of.
Fake leather probably
Or just you can remove the belt and use a rope so I dont think its an issue
what if the cotton plant was fertilized with blood and bone fertilizer?
@@michaelwarren202 You may have discovered a problem with the concept of veganism.
@@JonathanRossRogers and its almost no way to trace it. Unless you know the farm where the crops are grown.
The preppers pie would be great for this challenge. It’s definitely my favorite pie of the group.
Dock workers pie isn't relevant for this challenge but it does replenish more health so it is my favorite
It took me 3 days but I enjoyed watching the video.
I like to watch challenges before I go to bed and watch the "Road to 500 Days" series while I play.
Respect for what you do!
#VeganGranola
same i like watching people play long dark while i play
@@ethanrodriguez7353 Same but everytime I hear a wolf howl I need to stop the video to see if it's coming from the video or from my game
Vegan Granola! I think you forgot to use the skillet to make water since you found it right on the beginning. Regarding the Running Shoes, I think they are made with Synthetic/Faux Leather and you could use it. Great video, as always. Thanks a lot!
I'm not sure if it has already been said, but as you were going through the list of things you can craft. You said that you could make improvised crampons. The problem is that you need two leather to craft them. Vegan Granola
1:19:05 I don't craft old man's beard wound dressings until I need them because one dressing weighs more than three times as much as the materials to make it.
As a Vegan, this is how I play and yes, I want this as an official challenge in the game. EDIT: also yes, you are doing it right
Goating should be illegal as a vegan.
Haha I see what you did there
Disclaimer: No goats were harmed in the making of this video
I have ADD and am in the process of finishing up my dissertation and another assignment for tomorrow. Zak, why did you have to drop a 3 hour long video if you know I'll have to watch it first 😭
Haha sorry. I hope your dissertation goes well!
@@Zaknafeinhaha, you'll be proud of me. I finished the final checks and will submit tomorrow. I'm rewarding myself with the video and finishing the assignment tomorrow.
Vegan Granola! It doesn't matter if you ate one thing which is not Vegan. I think the nylon shoes are ok - I think the leather harvest from them is weird and just part of the game mechanic. I found this very interesting. Thank you for your vid.
Zaknafein: Starts Vegan challenge and makes first fire using Fir.
Vegans: Nooooooooooo!
Vegan puns ftw
Crunchy bar... Honey is from bees..... I was looking so hard for an hour 😂
Ski boots might be vegan
I enjoyed this challenge just like all of them, but this one had me watching closely for non vegan items for sure, which I found fun honestly. I know fleece can be either from a sheep or yak or it can be synthetic polyester too. I would agree tho that those mittens are synthetic. Honey is non vegan of course, I think that’s what zak realized later. My opinion, although not written, the crampons do look like the straps could be made of leather. Love your content Zak, thank you for always entertaining us with these new approaches!
As a vegan. I am weirdly attached to survival games where I shoot deer and animals. I know they are pixels. I do enjoy accuracy challenges in games. Also crafting
Love seeing these challenges by you Zak! Just a note: honey is not vegan (as it is made by bees) so granola bars are not a viable food source unfortunately
I did this before you did it. I do this over on and again but on normal difficulty because I just want an enjoyable roleplaying experience of being vegan.
Honey, wake up - new Zak TLD challenge just dropped!
I loved this challenge! I would agree that you can wear neilon shoes. Also I would love to see more of this- it really feels like “harder interloper”. Made me go and play for myself in a long time ☀️
Shoutout to u Zak, I think I’ve been grinding this game a lot because of u😂
This is really fun to watch. I’m considering pescatarian
This is a great challenge. A long time ago during Beta, I think a guy named Gamer Nate attempted to survive on only cattails. Of course, this was back when there was only ML, PV, TM, CH. Once again, this is terrific.
The ballistic vest from Blackrock might actually be very useful since shooting wolfes is not an option in this run... Even though getting it is not that easy ofc
Vegan challenge or British challenge? I too am permanently freezing my ass off and drinking fifty cups of tea every day.
I remember my last save on Interloper Vegan was at Hushed River Valley because I was really dependent on those cat tails for food.
Petroleum, derived from oil products, formed as you stated, but it is primarily from fern type plants from the carboniferous era.
Vegan Granola! 1) I was laughing so hard as you fell down that mountain 😂😂 2) I would love to see this continue. I think the mistake is okay. A vegan could do that in real life as they’re fighting to survive - let’s say the label was faded and they couldn’t read the ingredients! 3) I also think the shoes are okay. I think the game just gives you leather for all shoe scrapping. I’d consider them all nylon for this purpose.
mining boots are made of plastic but arent repairable
The shorter route to rope to secluded shelf…you don’t need to go all the way up the first slope, just go until the triangular rock is on your right then go over that rock and you will be able to just walk across. Happy travels!
1:51:56 I think ketchup chips are distinctly Canadian. I haven't seen them in the US.
This is a much more interesting challenge than I had first thought… I think the non-vegan granola was an honest mistake so no reason to start over. I think the running shoes are safe and like you conjectured, getting leather from harvesting is just a game convention. However, crafting improvised crampons requires leather, and though the regular crampons don’t specify, I assume those straps are leather, though perhaps it’s just following that same convention.
I am curious if surviving with only birchbark is still possible, so if you do continue this run, maybe you could pretend that you had gone through all the other world resources and were in the late-game stage…or maybe that’s its own run another day.
No down stupid! 😂 Love all of these challenges and I don’t think mistakes should automatically end the run. Maybe you should have a penalty for eating non vegan like induced inflection. Again really love the content and I look forward to the part 2!
Vegan granola
In think that you should be able to use the running shoes. They look like proper running shoes (my Hokas and New Balances have no leather whatsoever). Getting leather from harvesting them is just a game mechanic simplification. Repairing them with leather is out, but… what if the “leather” came directly from harvesting a second pair of running shoes 🤔. Also running around with no shoes is a bit silly. It’s just a game, of course, but you’d have frostbite in no time IRL. Allow yourself some shoes.
The fleece mitts are fine as far as I can tell. Fleece refers to the type of fabrics, which are synthetic.
This is a good series. I’d watch a second episode. Thank you!
Vegan granola. Hi Zak, I really enjoy your content. I would pick up the crow feathers. They have been shed by the bird and no harm has been done. I would also keep the running shoes, the only other synthetic shoes are the ski boots and I don't think they're available in Interloper. You can get synthetic padding for things like the sports vest, and lots of things that say wool are actually acrylic. I am not vegan, just read a lot of clothes labels.
I think the running shoes are possible to use. The leather does not have to mean leather as such. In our language we sometimes call it artificial leather. It can be this case.
I apologize if I missed something, but even the standard, non-upgraded bedroll says "A down-filled sleeping bag" in the in-game description. So there aren't any vegan bedrolls in the game.
Vegan granola, but I think the chocolate is fine -- at least in the US, it would say "milk" in the ingredients list if it were milk chocolate.
I think occasionally accidentally eating something non-vegetarian or non-vegan is part of being a vegetarian or a vegan, and they definitely don't re-start their runs when they do. :-) You should keep going with this run.
Great video. I can't speak for actual vegans IRL but in terms of the game, I don't see a problem with using found animals. The whole idea of being vegan, as I understand it, is to not cause harm to animals and to not support companies who do. So if you find a carcass, you're not hurting anything to use what's already dead whether that be using the hide to craft or even eating the meat to survive. Likewise, using found feathers to make arrows to defend against attacks. Of course, if I'm in a survival situation I'm using anything available to stay alive.
2:53:00 "goating" like a Plinko chip lol.
Ravine may be goatable, but i would not want to even try it without very closely following a guide as theres so much invisible instakill zone .
Blunt weapons can still hurt the wolf. You should only use harsh language.
It does, but doesnt kill it. The alternative is just standing there... or harsh language haha
Harsh language can still hurt the wolf. You should just use reverse psychology or something, haha
I think the cloth and leather system is just an equivalent for soft and flexible/hard and sturdy fabric
vegan granola, i really like this challange as it shows more ways you can approach surviving in TLD, i dont mind that you ate granola with honey :) it was silly mistake and you could easily not do it and still survive no problem :) very good job @Zaknafein :)
I think most vegans would avoid Honey as it exploits the bees, so the granola bar is out. The crampons have a leather strap so wouldn't be allowed either. Some running shoes do use leather in the areas needing reinforcement (lace eyelets, heel support) so I think you're correct in dropping them.
31:50 going left there would be a cave pretty soon without encountering any wolfes. Great for warming up on the trip to Ash Canyon.
I still think Hinterland should add high quality knives and hatchets... Like they could just add a new high quality steel like car springs
25:45 Haha, besides Sherlock Homes, I have never heared the term 'discombobulate' ^^
on the down vests, they would most likely be made of a synthetic down, since it's less expensive, quick drying, and can still offer decent insulation if it gets wet, so most people would buy the synthetic.
also, i can't count how many vegans i have seen with an earing or some other little trinket with a real feather on it. i have even been on hikes with vegans that have picked up a feather and put it in their hair, hat, or behind their ear. so even if it is real down, i say go ahead and wear them.
but if you don't want to wear the down vests, then i would say that harvesting the cloth is fine. actually better than fine, cuz you can then release the down back into the wild lol
‼O!!! if you don't get any feathers when harvesting the down vests, then they must be made with synthetic down, right?
I feel like a good compromise would be to allow running shoes and ski boots.
In the gold mine in AC I think one of the wood matches spawns is behind you on the crates near the entrance
With prepper caches, if i understand correctly the one in pleasant valley by the rope to timberwolf mountain is different, right? That one always has a little bit of loot instead of tons of loot or nothing yeah?
Correct. With the PV bunker, the 9 new bunkers, and the Signal Void bunkers it can get a bit confusing.
You wore the shoes for a day or so before deciding they were forbidden.... So the granola bar is kinda the same thing. Do ten Hail Mary's as penance and put it behind you. ;).
Funny thing about the ketchup chips, but we actually do have it in the Netherlands 😄
I think I would save all rosehip and get cooking to lvl 3 with other teas and cans, (a longer process I know) but for long term rosehip pies seem a more efficient use of flour on a vegan run.
Side note, the granola uses honey definitely, but the chocolate is very possibly non dairy in some very large countries
1:06:47 you can’t make the bow without using a gut so you can’t even use fire hardened arrows if you made the bow with a gut
I think you should be able to harvist the down vest because you aren't harvesting the down just the cloth that held it in place.
"Vegan granola!"
No worries on eating the granola, it was an accident. Dropping a few cattails is fair.
So you got a fare gun and shells on interloper ! That is very unusual now
In the same spot I mean. I may have to come up with a vegan granola recipe. I liked the challenge but my favorite is torchless craftsman.
This run also works like a great guide for getting the pacifist achievement on loper (don't kill animals in first 25 days I believe)
The sneakers I would count as vegan. The fleece mittens may or may not be vegan. A lot of fleece is actually polyester. Technically granola bars with honey are not vegan, though it is debatable. There’s lots of ways to make vegan granola without honey. Great content! Would love to see part 2
To be frank, the reason i worry much about food is because of the well fed bonus. It's really nice to have when you're new and exploring regions
this just makes me wish we could do some sort of hydroponics or a kind of farming in the game, creatures made of meat respawn but Outright Edible plants dont really.
Gandalf says... "Flee, you fools!"........... and you didn't use your skillet to boil a litre of water at a time. ;)
Correct, though he says "Fly, you fools!"
1:20:40 My guess is that the running shoes are made of both leather and nylon.
Honestly I personally believe that wool, like honey, is vegan. (Speaking from an NZ farmers perspective). Like honey, sheep need their fleece sheared off. Otherwise you get cases like sherk the sheep. He disappeared into the hills and was found unable to move because of the amount of wool on his body. While historically sheep would lose their wool when the seasons change, modern sheep no longer have this ability.
Also (at least in NZ), our sheep are generally treated quite well. The economic reasoning is happy sheep = better product. The human side of it is because we care about them! We want to have happy healthy animals and take great care to ensure that they have a good life.
Thats my 2¢ at least 😅
Noone noticed that the crampons have leather in them?!?😅
Also.. vegan granola...
I would count the running shoes as vegan because the vast majority of those types of shoes use all synthetic materials (with the possible exception of rubber).
Leather pads on the combat pants
2:02:12 sooooo that's the kind of paw patrol you are going to introduce your child to ?
Not sure if it's already been stated, but matches are not vegan. A lot of them use gelatin in the match heads.
How did you managed to have a torch as default starting source when making fire?
When did that happen?
I thought this would be a naked, birch tea run. XD Because wool come from animals too, only some synthetic materials don't. And i would think honey would be a no-go as well, so no crunchy stuff? and the lantern runs on fish oil? But as i think about it taking the hips and mushrooms, you steal the food from the animals! ^O..O^ Need to implement a Photosynthesis skill. And grow the hair looong. Edit ok you thought of the lantern fuel and granola bar :)
will u use bow ? it has crow feather
Hey @Zaknafein at 1:46:00 you didnt bother taking off your socks before stepping in the ice water. Any reason you didnt bother here, just planning to warm up later?
Yes, that and laziness
I can't be the only one who does this. as we're playing the game, we decide what we need to do when we need to do it, maybe where it needs to be done, based on our needs, perhaps the time, weather etc... but what about when we quit the game? who sits down and plots out what they need to do when they fire it up again? cos sometimes it can take a lot of planning. for example...I'm in CH right now. I had to go to DP to find the heavy hammer to make arrowheads with. couldn't fi d one in ML or FM. I have a good bit of metal and coal stored in the train car in FM, also at the forhe there. I have all I need to make arrow points but no hammer. I found a hammer and lots of other things in DP...and holy crap is it a hassle to have to unpack and repack the travois in certain places that don't allow its navigation! coal mine 3 was a REAL vexation. presently, the travois is at about 20%. no way I can make it back to the MLO. so I'm just going to take the hammer, a bit of coal, as much food as I can carry reasonably fast, leaving a couple of deer hides and gut to cure to repair the travois as I head back to my ML base, then pick up the FM metal and coal, take it to the forge and make points. I also plan "hack" the lvl 5 fire starting by starting 5 fires with a single stick. so these two endeavors should kill enough time to cure the deer skins so when I get back to CH I can repair the travois to bring back a bunch of cool stuff. just like in real life, if we were in that situation we would have to plan things out in order to make things go in an orderly fashion, to save time and energy, resources. so we need to do this virtually as well in this game...even when we shut it down. some things have to be plotted out in order to know what to do when we re-enter. does anyone else do this? do you plan it out in your head, write it down on paper or make a note in the game? I plan in my head. despite my bad memory, I'm still able to remember where I put things, like storing a hide in a cave or cabin to cure. I never make notes in game.